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Bo Derek Talks About Hollywood and Life After JohnAired March 10, 2000 - 9:00 p.m. ET
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LARRY KING, HOST: Tonight, Hollywood hailed her as the perfect 10: Bo Derek, 21 years later -- do you believe this? -- joins me in L.A. for the full hour, and we'll take your calls, next on LARRY KING LIVE.
Good evening. Bo Derek is our special guest tonight. She hosts the "Hollywood Fashion Machine" on AMC. We'll talk about that and lots of other things. She's our guest for the full hour, and later, we'll take your phone calls.
We have not talked about it publicly since his death, so let's start with that. John, your late husband, actor, director, would have been -- it's two years now, right? May would have been two years.
BO DEREK: Yes.
KING: Was that surprising? Was he sick?
DEREK: He wasn't sick. I can't say it's surprising because he was 30 years older than I am.
KING: He was 70-something.
DEREK: He was 71, so it was going to happen. I didn't think it would happen that soon, but it was part of our relationship from the beginning that most likely I would live part of my life alone without him. But it was still a shock, and it happened suddenly. He was in great health, which is nice for him. I am glad he didn't get sick. I don't think he would have done very well.
KING: Was it a heart attack?
DEREK: Yes, it was a massive heart failure. And he used to -- when we'd watch movies and a man would grab his chest and fall dead, he used to say "lucky son of a gun," or something to that effect, so it's kind of strange that that's what happened to him.
KING: John Derek, arguably the handsomest man in Hollywood, had a lot of movie roles, and then suddenly went into this sort of, the beard, marrying you, directing. Did he go through a life change?
DEREK: He went through quite a few. He was an interesting man, and I think an artist at heart, and a lot of rebellion in him, and I think that he went through quite a few changes, and I experienced -- even in my time with him, I experienced a few.
KING: Pretty good eye for beauty, didn't he?
KING: Previously what? Ursula Andrews he was married to?
DEREK: Ursula Andrews, Linda Evans. Patty Bayers (ph) was his first wife. And he saw differently than the rest of us, he really did. His eye saw light and shadow, and he was a great photographer and cinematographer, and it's because he had this eye for beauty.
KING: You were how old when you met?
KING: Did you flip right away?
DEREK: No, no, he scared me to death. I mean, I -- obviously, I knew he was attractive. He was very attractive. My mother -- when I got the call to go meet him to go act in one of his films, I told my mother who I was meeting, and she got very excited, I said, well, who is John Derek? And she was telling me how handsome he was, so I did agree with that. But he was very intimidating, very intense.
KING: That movie, that trial movie he did with Humphrey Bogart...
KING: ... it was one of the great music -- movie -- impact movies of all time.
DEREK: It did. It represented a time, and it was one of the first times that an anti-hero became the hero and a man on death row became a hero, and Hollywood hadn't done that.
KING: Whenever we saw you would come on this show, you'd talk about puttering around the house. Was it a very good marriage?
DEREK: Yes, it was fantastic. I don't think any of us, the people who knew us, John and I, we didn't think it was last, so it was really day to day. There were so many things going against it, first of all, 30 years age difference. I can be very lazy and just enjoy myself, and John is very intense and motivated, and we really were opposites in many ways. But 25 years later, it was obviously meant to be.
KING: Why did it work with the age difference?
DEREK: I have no idea. It was tough. It wasn't light in the beginning. It was dark and moody sometimes, but that's because that's the way he was.
KING: And he was more set in his ways than you, one would imagine? DEREK: Yes, yes, definitely.
KING: So you had to accommodate more than he did.
DEREK: But I wasn't a thing that had to accommodate. I was so young that I hadn't really made myself, and formed myself and decided what I would be. And then from then on, all of my experiences were with him, so.
KING: After the movie, did you fall in love with him? What age did you fall in love with him?
DEREK: Seventeen. I turned 17 on this film we went to make in Greece, and -- but I can't say it was overnight love. It was just an attraction, and he was fascinating to me, and I just wanted to spend all of my time with him.
KING: Now you burst on the scene with "10." In fact, 10, the term ten symbolizes you?
DEREK: Well, that's what Blake Edwards wrote and directed as a very popular film, and I played that part.
KING: We never used the word "ten" until that, right? Ten then never became part -- was it part of the nomenclature before, I don't know?
DEREK: Yes, to judge things on a scale of one to 10, I think, was. You could amount in anything you can judge on.
KING: That's a 10. A girl is a 10. You are a 10.
KING: Let's show what made that impact. Here's a scene from the now historic "10."
"10" was nominated as one of the funniest movies of all time for American Film Institutions 100 Years, 100 Laughs, and AFI's 100 Years, 100 Laughs reveals the hundred films on a television special on June 23, "The 100 Funniest Films." It's included.
What do you hear from Dudley?
DEREK: I saw him a few weeks ago. and it was good to see him. It was a gathering of a lot of his friends, and he seemed very happy.
KING: It is that disease is regressive, though, right? I mean, he will not get better?
DEREK: Not from I understand, which is tragic.
KING: What was he like to work with?
DEREK: Fantastic. You know, we both went through a life- changing experience on that film. Dudley was more know than I was, but still, I don't think either one of us expected that it would have this kind of impact and change our lives, and it did.
KING: He came from the Broadway stage and...
DEREK: And English comedy, yes.
KING: But it worked, didn't it? Did you think it would work as well as it worked?
DEREK: I had no idea. Nobody called me or was interested in me, although I am only in the film about 10 minutes.
KING: Yes, I know.
DEREK: It's very short.
And so -- but I heard no buzz, no anything. And it just opened, and it was huge.
Back with more of Bo Derek, lots to talk about this, and your phone calls on well, on this edition of LARRY KING LIVE. Tomorrow night on LARRY KING WEEKEND, an hour with Paul Anka and a very important show Monday night when Duke of "Doonesbury" may announce for president on this show. There will be a major panel discussion following it. Duke of Doonesbury, Monday night, an exclusive.
Back with more of Bo after this.
KING: Our guest is Bo Derek.
What's it like being on your own for the first time? I guess that's right. Seventeen you got married. Now you're -- what's it like?
DEREK: I don't like it. Not that I am out looking for anyone, but it's something that I just -- I have no experience in. And --
KING: You've never dated?
DEREK: I have never dated. I have no experience. It's terrible, and I'm scared to death of it, too, at the same time.
KING: You sold the house?
DEREK: I sold the ranch last year, and I'm now living with my sister and her family in the same area. And it's nice. I've never had to go home to an empty house, which is really good.
KING: And you've been to Europe and ride horses -- you still ride horses? You still a horse freak?
DEREK: Exactly. You described it perfectly.
KING: You (OFF-MIKE) that term. You are a horse freak.
DEREK: I was born that way. Even though I grew up surfing and sailing in Southern California, I was born horse crazy.
KING: How many horses you own?
DEREK: Now? About nine.
KING: You used to have a lot at one time, right?
DEREK: I used to have a lot more. I used to breed and have a big horse farm. And I'm just getting another one I just got in Portugal, so I have another one coming.
KING: You ride for fun, right? You don't show horses or train horses, you just...
DEREK: No, I don't -- and even breeding. I didn't like breeding because people didn't appreciate what I created enough, so it made me angry.
KING: We can get a jump on the tabloids here and reveal something.
DEREK: Uh-oh, what?
KING: You went on a date, a first date. We can tell -- talk about it and get through it.
DEREK: You know, this is new to me, too. Because normally I'm so candid and open about my private life because I was with John for all of those years, and I -- so now I don't know whether I'm supposed to talk about it or not.
KING: Well what's the difference? You only had one date since his death?
DEREK: Well, yes, it was -- yes, sort of a date.
KING: But you haven't dated for -- you hadn't -- you didn't date for how long? Over a year?
DEREK: No, I haven't -- yes, he died almost two years ago, and I hadn't had a date...
KING: Was this a mourning period or a decision or what?
DEREK: No, I never -- in mourning I decided not to do anything except I really worked hard not to feel sorry for myself. But otherwise, everything else I just took whatever feelings I had and I didn't design it. So...
KING: All right, you went out with Prince Albert, right?
KING: No, lets tell them. Who cares?
DEREK: OK, everybody's going to know anyway... KING: He's single, he's single.
DEREK: It wasn't exactly a private date either.
KING: He's single, you're single. You went to a public place, right?
KING: Were you -- what was it like?
DEREK: I have to say it was really fun walking in. I mean, to...
KING: To a restaurant?
DEREK: ... walk into a restaurant and a nightclub with him was hilarious. People -- the food was falling out of people's mouths. It was fantastic.
KING: Did you have fun? Was it tough?
I did. I did, and it's wonderful...
KING: Really, it's interesting...
DEREK: And here I am, a little girl from Southern California, going out with a prince. I mean, that's -- my life is really pretty good, I have to say.
KING: Was he nice?
DEREK: Very nice.
KING: Do you think John would have dug that?
DEREK: No. No...
KING: Are you now...
DEREK: I think he wanted me to jump off a bridge or something when he left.
KING: Are you now going to date again? Do you want to remarry?
DEREK: No, I can't even imagine it. But I assume it will happen because most people do, but I am not out looking or -- and I don't feel -- I feel a void in that I'm alone, but I'm content that way.
KING: The difficulty is the impact he made on your life makes it difficult to follow someone like that?
DEREK: I don't even know that. It's just he was my adult life. And he took a lot of work and a lot of time. He was not easy. You know, so now I have all this free time, and so I'm concentrating on working and things like that. KING: You never wanted children?
DEREK: I thought I did, and then when it came time -- you know, the -- my clock was ticking. And I thought, OK, now it's time I should get around to doing this. Then I thought I really didn't necessarily have that drive and that desire to have a child that I think you should have. And I wasn't ready to make the commitment.
KING: You're still very young, though. I mean, you're 43. You could have a child now, couldn't you? I mean, if you met Mr. Right.
DEREK: They take -- I'm living with my sister and her children. They took a lot of energy. I don't know.
KING: Aren't your friends starting to fix you up now? Isn't it, Bo, have I got a guy for you?
DEREK: I am such a project.
KING: You are...
DEREK: I mean, I -- really, if I'm invited...
KING: You're not going to have a tough time. Come on.
DEREK: No, but I'm a project. Everybody wants to, you know, be the one to fix me up. And it's a strange situation I'm in.
KING: Who arranged the Prince Albert date?
DEREK: Prince Albert.
KING: Oh, he called?
KING: See, that's chutzpah, right? They get right to it.
DEREK: No, it was casual. It wasn't -- like a date or anything.
KING: But you went out together, went to a restaurant.
DEREK: Yes, yes, yes.
KING: People spit their food out, right? Do you like...
DEREK: I don't like my life now.
KING: For a long time, you were the fodder, if that's the word, of tabloid -- like, they put you with Congressman David Dreier here in Southern California.
DEREK: At least him I know.
KING: Him I know, too.
KING: He dated my sister-in-law.
DEREK: Oh, yes?
KING: Nice guy.
DEREK: Yes, very nice guy.
KING: No, I've known him a few years, and I like him very much.
DEREK: Paul McCartney.
DEREK: Never met him.
KING: That was in the tabloids.
DEREK: Of course, so it must be true. But I have never met him. But we're having a wild affair, I guess.
KING: Have you been in them a lot?
DEREK: In the...
KING: Tabloid, yes.
DEREK: Yes, every week I have a new lover. And I'm cheating on one with another and another, and it gets very complicated. But it's interesting, because when I was with John we were one of the few married couples who didn't have that happen to us. So it's kind of nice.
KING: In other words, you never had...
DEREK: They never...
KING: ... infidelities? They never bugged you?
DEREK: No, we were called a lot of names and they didn't like our relationship, meaning mainly the journalists, but that part was never...
KING: He was dubbed the Svengali, was he not?
KING: Was that fair or not?
DEREK: No, it wasn't fair, because in reality he didn't want any of us to work -- meaning his wives. Ursula didn't work when she was with him, Linda didn't -- you know, she was a star before.
KING: But you did some work through that.
DEREK: I did some. Mainly, he really never felt that he could tell me not to do them, but he certainly made it uncomfortable. KING: As we go to break, here's a scene from the movie "Tommy Boy."
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP, "TOMMY BOY")
CHRIS FARLEY, ACTOR: Holy schnikes. Is that for me?
BRIAN DENNEHY, ACTOR: No, son, that's for me.
FARLEY: Oh, man, Dad, she's like a 10.
DEREK: Hi, honey.
DEREK: This must be Tommy. Are you Tommy?
FARLEY: I'm Tommy.
DEREK: I'm Beverly, and you are just adorable.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
KING: You'll get the chance to talk with Bo Derek at bottom of the hour. She's our guest for the full hour.
"Tommy Boy," you worked with Chris Farley.
KING: What was that like?
DEREK: He was adorable. He was so much fun. Again, it was his break into movies. And to see that happen for him was really nice. And I was very happy for him. He was so talented, he was so sweet.
KING: Sad, huh?
KING: He killed himself in a sense, didn't he? I mean, he's...
DEREK: I have to say, when I heard the news -- someone called -- and it wasn't surprise. He seemed to have a self-destructive streak in him and -- that I thought I saw with when we were working.
KING: But he was an extraordinary talent.
KING: You also worked with Brian Dennehy, who has now become one of the major actors after "Death of a Salesman." DEREK: Yes, but that was the second time we worked together because we worked together on "10." He was the bartender.
KING: That's right, he was in "10."
DEREK: Yes, yes.
KING: Have you been annoyed by the fact that you've taken so much kidding over the years? People have always had fun that you weren't an actress, that this was all some sort of sham.
DEREK: Well they weren't exactly wrong.
KING: You are so honest, Bo. In other words what you're telling us now is you weren't an actress, were you, Bo?
DEREK: No, but I wasn't. I never studied, I never tried. I didn't -- when I did "10," I didn't even have an agent. Blake was looking for a pretty girl, someone told him that John was -- I don't even think -- yes, we were married -- that John's wife was pretty. So I got a call, I went in and met him, and all of a sudden I had the part. And then I had Hollywood. It was basically given to me, whatever I wanted to do. And I have to say that although I am taking my profession very seriously now, it was never required of me either.
KING: Did anyone say, let's go for drama lessons?
DEREK: Yes, but...
DEREK: Why? I was working and making a lot of money, and I didn't have to, so...
KING: You had it too good, right?
DEREK: Way too good.
KING: I mean, you didn't need it.
DEREK: Way too good. I have to say, I really felt guilty sometimes. You know, you go into restaurants and these people are -- these waiters or taxi drivers, and they're working so hard, and they study so hard. And here I was just given it, and I didn't even ask for it.
KING: Here's an example. You showed off a lot of things in her movies. "Bolero," made in 1984, showcased her riding.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP, "BOLERO")
DEREK: Hey! Hey!
(END VIDEO CLIP) DEREK: Perfect example.
KING: That's right. No dramatic lessons...
DEREK: I fell in love with horses, and everyone wanted to make a film with me, and so I said, oh, let's go make one about Spanish horses, because I like them so much.
KING: So you didn't find the kidding because you accepted it as fact, or did you mind it?
DEREK: Well, no, because sometimes I think I did decent work. But...
KING: I mean, they had a field day with you, right? Critics had fun...
DEREK: They did. And that didn't bother me so much. Mainly it was -- it was -- it was when they got so personal with John and our relationship. It had nothing to do with the movie. And they'd write about scene that don't even take place in the movies. They just made them up. Like in "Tarzan," they -- one of the -- I can't remember who it was. A big reviewer said that we did the plane crash so badly. There's no plane crash in our film. I mean, there isn't one. That was in "Tarzan Has Boy" or something, another Tarzan movie.
So they're reviewing an old movie they knew we were remaking, they just had the wrong one. Those things really were unfair, really made me mad.
KING: "Tarzan Has Boy" is funny.
What is "Hollywood Fashion Machine" on AMC?
DEREK: It's fun. I've really enjoyed it. I host a documentary series for AMC, and it's all about the history of Hollywood fashion and style and its influence in fashion.
KING: Oh, you discuss fashion through the years, how it changed.
DEREK: Through the years, so it's all the old movie clips, interviews with, you know, a lot of people that made -- made fashion history. It doesn't seem that important, but it really does influence our lives. And I never realized how much influence fashion had -- I mean, Hollywood had on fashion to begin with.
KING: Here's a sample of, as we go to break, of Bo hosting "Hollywood Fashion Machine" seen on AMC. Watch.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP, "HOLLYWOOD FASHION MACHINE")
DEREK: Elizabeth Taylor has reinvented herself and her image time and time again. The results have often helped redefine modern fashion.
She would help create the ultrahip look of the "swinging '60s." (END VIDEO CLIP)
KING: We're back with Bo Derek. It's fair to ask. Why didn't you capitalize on your career when you really were hot after -- I mean, you were hot after "10." Must have been a lot of offers.
DEREK: There were a lot of offers. You know, it's kind of fun to turn down money too. And I think that I got from...
KING: You're a little weird, Bo. You realize that? With the horses, with the whole approach to life. It's fun to turn down money?
DEREK: It is. There's something -- that I got from John, though, and my father in my family is the same way. I mean, we really had a sense of fun, and John had this thing about money that you must have prostituted himself somehow if you had lots of it. And it was just a lot more fun to stay at the ranch, ride my horses, or go make our own little independent films.
KING: So you were -- no regrets over not capitalizing on it?
DEREK: No, absolutely not.
KING: It was your own decision, you could have...
DEREK: And even the money -- it was outrageous money, outrageous. So it was completely unreal to me and where I came from in life.
KING: Did your town down anything you shouldn't have?
DEREK: No, no.
KING: And so there's no regrets at all?
KING: How about now? You're -- what? 43, right?
KING: Do you get calls now?
DEREK: I do, not as many, but I do. My opportunities are still vast and fantastic.
KING: They are? You could work all the time if you wanted to?
KING: Doing both movies and miniseries on television, right?
DEREK: Yes. As I said, it's not as easy as it was. And all of these young executives, you know, they don't even -- they're babies. They're babies.
KING: Yes. What's it like to deal with them? You go in to meet one of the 28-year-old suits.
DEREK: I feel like a dinosaur, like an absolute dinosaur. I remember when I was doing that scene with "Tommy Boy," coming out in the bathing suit. And it was my first day's work and I was very nervous. And there were these young kids, like college-aged kids standing over on the side and they were sort of in my eye line. And I was feeling a little nervous. And I said, "You know, do you think they could move?" And they said, "Oh, yes, but those are the Paramount executives." And one of them was the granddaughter of the man who ran the studio when I was producing "Tarzan."
So those kinds of things are very strange.
KING: And how do they treat you?
DEREK: Well. Well.
KING: Sort of like motherly?
DEREK: No, not quite motherly. But they're definitely a different generation, you know?
KING: You're wearing a very interesting piece, and I have to ask you about it. What is this? Let me get a closeup of this, because it's...
DEREK: John made me this years ago, and it's out of bone. And it's a picture frame.
KING: Out of bone. And you have a picture in there of...
DEREK: Of my -- of my...
KING: One of your horses.
DEREK: It's upside down, yes. My stallion.
KING: He made it for you, John?
DEREK: Yes. He was very talented. He made saddles and boots.
KING: He would do thing like that, huh?
KING: Do you miss him?
DEREK: Yes, all the time. But I am not the kind to dwell on things that I have no control over. So I think right away, I just pick myself up and got on with life. I mean, for me I'm very black and white. I either...
KING: It's there. DEREK: ... jump off a cliff and don't deal with it, or I get on with it.
KING: We're going to take some calls after the break. You did work with Rob Lowe, did you not?
DEREK: Yes, I did on "Tommy Boy."
KING: And now he's kind of resurrected his career and "West Wing" has brought him back. He's had some problems.
DEREK: I'm so happy. I'm so happy for him. He's so talented. He's become a good friend, too, he and his wife, Sheryl. And so I'm really happy for them.
KING: And tell me about your new film, "Frozen With Fear." Do you know what I'm talking about?
DEREK: Ah, yes, yes, yes.
KING: You forgot you made this? Bo, you really...
DEREK: No, I was very serious on this picture. No, it was a film -- but it was called something else.
KING: Oh, they changed the title.
DEREK: I suppose this is the film made in Canada in December and that this is the new title.
KING: What was the working title?
DEREK: "Jack Mize." So see how would I know? How would I put those two together?
KING: Who's in it with you?
DEREK: Stephen Shellen and Wayne Rogers.
KING: And it's coming -- oh, Wayne! He's a good guy.
KING: And do you know when it's coming out?
KING: So we're both surprised at this...
DEREK: I'm very surprised.
KING: Here's Bo Derek in the soon-to-be-released "Frozen With Fear."
DEREK: Oh, I haven't seen this!
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP, "FROZEN WITH FEAR")
WAYNE ROGERS, ACTOR: Katherine? Katherine?
UNIDENTIFIED ACTRESS: She's not in the living room.
ROGERS: She's not in here either.
UNIDENTIFIED ACTRESS: Kath, put those down.
DEREK: You two won't get away with this.
ROGERS: Get away with what?
UNIDENTIFIED ACTRESS: What is this conspiracy that you insist on seeing.?
DEREK: You stay right there. The earring proves it.
ROGERS: Proves what?
UNIDENTIFIED ACTRESS: I never saw it before.
DEREK: The first one I found in Charles's dry cleaning.
UNIDENTIFIED ACTRESS: But it's not mine.
DEREK: It fell out of your purse.
UNIDENTIFIED ACTRESS: Charles is the one who found it. He picked it up off the floor.
ROGERS: Don't listen to anything she says. She's out of her mind.
DEREK: I am not out of mind.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
KING: We're back with Bo Derek, one of the few people that you only have to say the first name. Let's take some calls for Bo Derek. If you'd like to talk with her, just call right in.
Los Angeles, hello.
CALLER: Bo, hi. I am a huge fan. I think you're absolutely beautiful, inside and out.
DEREK: Thank you.
CALLER: And my question to you is, how do you manage to stay so entirely beautiful? What's your beauty regimen?
DEREK: Thank you. I don't really have one. I'm --
KING: Have none?
DEREK: No -- I don't go in the sun anymore. I had a whole lifetime exposure to sun before I was 16. But that's about it. I...
KING: No surgery?
DEREK: No. And I hate to exercise, so I don't do much of that. And I have a good metabolism. And I try to just stay active and go outdoors as much as possible.
KING: Good genes.
DEREK: Yes. I mean, and I'd rather clean house than go to the gym, so I keep myself busy.
KING: Do you have a special skin preparations?
DEREK: No, no.
KING: Do you at night take an hour and a half before you go to sleep?
DEREK: Oh goodness, no.
KING: Creams and all that? No.
KING: This is just it?
KING: Your mother looked like this, too?
DEREK: Yes, my mother and my father.
KING: One look at Bo would have a lot of guys grinning, but in 1981, she had to teach Tarzan, the apeman, how to smile. Watch.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
DEREK: Let me show you how to smile. Oh, you think I am going to hurt you? There's no way I could hurt you. Come on. Here we go. Now, don't stop me. There. That's a smile.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
KING: We're back.
Was that fun to do?
DEREK: Tarzan was great. That was my first big production.
KING: Who was Tarzan?
DEREK: A young man named Miles O'Keefe. KING: Nice guy?
DEREK: Very nice.
KING: To Booth Bay Harbor, Maine for Bo Derek -- hello.
CALLER: Hi, Larry. Hi, Bo.
I lost my husband John when I was 49 last year by a heart attack also, and I am inspired by you and admire how you're going on.
Recently I saw you on a morning talk show which they showed clip of you and John. When they asked him that if you became no longer beautiful, would he stay with you? And he didn't answer. And I was a little offended by that question for you, and I wondered how you felt about it.
DEREK: Well, if you had heard the rest of his answer -- he was ridiculously honest. I mean, you said I'm honest. He was honest -- sometimes it was painful. He was being honest, and I would have been shocked if he said anything else. The rest of his answer was that he didn't know whether he would still love me. He didn't know whether I would be the same person, because maybe part of who I am is because of what I look like, the way people have responded to me throughout my life and things like that. So the answer was quite long.
KING: You weren't hurt by the answer?
DEREK: No, I knew him. I knew he was that way.
KING: What do you think?
DEREK: What do I think what?
KING: If you lost your beauty, would he have stayed?
DEREK: I really don't know. I really don't know. He -- and would I be the same person? I don't know. I've had a very blessed life. I've had nothing to do with it. It just kept coming to me. So would I be the same person? I have been very lucky. I think I haven't had a lot of bitterness and some of the painful experiences that people have had.
KING: We know about the pluses of, obviously, being beautiful. What are the minuses?
DEREK: None. I guess if you are really concerned about people -- I mean, I am blond, too, on top of it. If you're brunette, you're treated a little differently.
KING: You're naturally blond.
DEREK: I am naturally blond. So that is -- also has an association with being stupid. I've always been fine with my intelligence, whatever it is, and I am able to do what I want to do, and I have enough to carry me throughout life. So I haven't been paranoid about that.
KING: When you look in the mirror, do you know you're very pretty.
DEREK: I know my nose is straight. I know I have good days and bad days. But I know at the same time, if this was 200 years ago, I would have been considered scrawny and unattractive. It's fashionable right now.
KING: That's right. Rembrandt wouldn't have painted you.
DEREK: Absolutely not.
KING: Los Angeles, hello.
CALLER: Hello, how are you?
CALLER: This is for Bo.
Bo this is Nancy Gunther...
CALLER: Your old junior high art teacher.
KING: You taught her art in -- what school was that?
CALLER: In Steve Wright Junior High. My husband taught her science.
DEREK: Yes, two of my good subjects.
CALLER: No, I wanted just to tell you we have just been so proud of you as a human being, what you have done with your life, and I got so angry in those years when they were accusing you of -- and ridiculing you. And I knew that you were a bright person and a sensitive girl, and she was mature beyond her years and just as beautiful at 14 as she is now. She's just -- I'm so proud of her.
DEREK: Oh, you're so kind. Thank you.
KING: What kind of student was she?
CALLER: She was a good student. She was mature -- believe it or not -- and I don't know if she remembers this or not -- but she was one of the best drawers with a pencil.
DEREK: No, you have the wrong person.
CALLER: No, I do not.
DEREK: Yes, you... CALLER: And do you remember helping in the yearbook? We had to sort out all the pictures.
DEREK: But I -- as you know, I was absent a lot. If surf was up, I didn't go to school.
KING: You were a real California kid, weren't you? I mean, if surf was up, you didn't go to school?
DEREK: Yes. And you know, it was a time when it wasn't safe to hitchhike, but we did it a lot.
KING: Didn't you date in high school?
DEREK: Not much.
DEREK: Not much. I was very athletic, very into sports and so dating took a lot of time away from that, and I just -- not very much.
KING: Thanks for calling, teach.
What high school did you go to?
DEREK: Well, I didn't finish, but I went to Narbaun (ph).
KING: You quit high school.
DEREK: Yes, but I met John and went off to Greece to make a film, and then we lived in Europe for years, so I got a fabulous education.
KING: You know, Bo?
KING: Aside from his death, what was the toughest period of your life? You're going to tell me none?
DEREK: Yes, I am. I -- and I am very, very much...
KING: The answer is none?
DEREK: It's all relative. We can all start feeling sorry for ourselves.
KING: I know, but his death aside.
DEREK: Yes, no, and I have to compare my life with out people. I always do that. I refuse to feel sorry for myself, because I know how lucky I am. I travel. I see the world. I know just being an American how lucky we are in life. So I pretty much go through my life with that attitude as well.
KING: So you have felt lucky all your life?
DEREK: Yes. It's very easy to look around...
KING: So you had nothing to do with how you look? Nothing to do with the way you were born?
DEREK: Yes, and I was born -- my family is good and happy, and no bad secrets, or no abuse or anything like that. Yes, there was a divorce, but that just meant that dad went and got a beach house, so that was good, and...
KING: Did your father remarry?
KING: Did you like your stepmother?
DEREK: Very much.
KING: And did your mother remarry? Like your stepfather?
DEREK: Yes, and I love my stepfather. So you see, I could have, like many people, taken all of these and made them into tragedies, but that's not the way I was brought up.
KING: Are you very spiritual?
DEREK: No, not at all.
KING: You are a riot.
We'll be right back with Bo Derek, but there will not be a benefit for her. You need not send donations.
Don't go away.
KING: We're back with Bo Derek.
Before we go back to the calls, is it true that you and John couldn't come back into this country because he traveling overseas and you were underage?
KING: They prevent -- so he would have arrested if...
DEREK: That's very romantic -- yes, because I was underage so that's...
KING: Under 18?
DEREK: So anybody could make a complaint, and then it's statutory rape, contributing to the delinquency of a minor.
KING: the Man Act?
DEREK: The Man Act.
KING: Cross state lines for the purpose of -- so what? You had to wait until you were 18?
DEREK: We didn't. We ran out of money. So actually he stayed in Tijuana, where it was cheap to live, and I came across and stayed with my family to scheme across the border and left him there, which was kind of fun actually. He thought it was -- he liked it, I think.
KING: You hadn't been yet, right?
DEREK: No, we hadn't been married yet, so I came back to see if the climate was all right.
KING: The coast was clear.
DEREK: Yes, freedom to come.
KING: Levytown, Pennsylvania for Bo Derek, hello.
CALLER: Hi, Larry. Hi, Bo.
DEREK: I have a question for you. I am in my mid 40s. There has been a lot of talk on TV lately about the older woman and younger man, that they're looking for the father figure. But I am an older woman and I am dating a younger man, and I just wonder what your opinion was on that subject, older woman dating a younger man.
KING: Would you date a younger man?
DEREK: Yes, yes I think so. I have -- I think that time tells whether it's love, whether it's infatuation, and whatever it is, it's fine. I mean, if you enjoy each other's company and whatever the attraction is, go for it. I mean, there's not -- it's hard, it's difficult to find somebody you love. It doesn't happen all the time.
KING: No. So if you got involved with someone and he was 30 or 32, that would be fine?
DEREK: I assume.
KING: You don't know of course. Age...
DEREK: If you fall in love, there's nothing you can do about it. And you should follow it anyway.
KING: Norfolk, Virginia, hello.
CALLER: Hi, Bo, how are you doing?
CALLER: I just wanted to say that you're such a natural beauty and you don't see that much, you know, in any movie stars anymore, with all of this plastic surgery going on.
DEREK: Thank you.
CALLER: And I have two questions actually. One was, what made John such a lady's man that women flocked to him so much, all the beautiful women? And my second was, is Bo your real first name.
KING: Two good questions.
DEREK: Two good questions. John really -- when he loved, he loved. I mean, you were his life. And I've not experienced anything else, but I don't think I am going to enjoy anything but that.
KING: Did a lot of women come on with him?
DEREK: Oh yes, all the time. But he never gave me reason to feel jealous, and then at the same time, I inherited two of his other wives in the family, Ursula Andress.
KING: Were they with you?
DEREK: Not at the same time, but they're still very much in his life, and now they're very much in mine. We all became very good friends.
KING: But he wasn't involved with them physically?
DEREK: Not physically, but certainly as -- they are still part of my family, Linda and Ursula both.
KING: Close friends.
DEREK: Really close.
KING: And Bo, the name?
DEREK: Bo the name, no. I was living in Europe. My hair had been dyed dark for this film I was doing in Greece, and I just felt that I needed a name more sophisticated than Kathy, which was my name. And I tried a bunch of different names.
KING: But in "10" -- was "10" your first movie?
DEREK: No, I did a film with John called "Once Upon a Time" when I was 17.
KING: Used Kathy in that, or Bo?
DEREK: Mary Kathleen. Yes, and then I was Bo from then on.
KING: How did you pick Bo?
DEREK: I just tried a bunch of different names, and I liked it, and you couldn't say -- I hated the way people said Kathy -- Kathy. So Bo you can't really do too much with it.
KING: What was your maiden name?
KING: Were you Bo Collins, or did you become Bo when you were Derek.
DEREK: Bo before Derek, and then when John and I got married, I really liked Bo Derek. I liked the sound of it.
KING: How did your parents get along with John? They're the same age, right?
DEREK: Yes, actually, he was older than they were by a couple of years. It was tough for them, I know. But they taught me always to do what I felt was right in my heart. I don't think they ever expected anything like this to happen, but they had to live by what they had taught me. So it was tough.
KING: Did they get a lot of kidding from their friends, do you think, or did they ever tell you?
DEREK: I don't think they got kidding.
DEREK: I don't think ribbing. I think concern from their friends.
KING: Genuine concern?
DEREK: Genuine concern, and it must be scary. See, at the time, you're young, you go through it, you don't realize how weird this is.
KING: Yes, at 17, it's weird.
DEREK: Yes, at 17.
KING: Do you have brothers and sisters?
DEREK: Yes. I have two sisters and a brother, and we're all very close.
KING: Older or younger.
DEREK: Younger. I am the oldest one.
KING: How did they feel about John Derek and you?
DEREK: They were very -- I was 17, so they were very young. I know that he used to shoot bow and arrow, and guns and whips and all those things. And my family would come up, and my sisters would hold balloons so he could shoot arrows at them, and it was play. So he was fun to them, I think.
KING: Our guest is Bo Derek. We'll be back with more phone calls.
Tomorrow night, Paul Anka, then on Monday night, a major announcement from Duke of Dunesbury. He could throw his hat into the presidential ring Monday. Don't be surprised. It's an extraordinary telecast coming Monday with a panel of experts discussing it, including Bill Mahr and Al Franken, get this, Monday night.
Here's a scene, Bo Derek in "A Change of Seasons." Watch.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP, "A CHANGE OF SEASONS")
DEREK: You never intended to leave her, did you? I was just a fling. She was for keeps.
ANTHONY HOPKINS, ACTOR: Come on.
UNIDENTIFIED ACTOR: What?
DEREK: I don't like sharing.
HOPKINS: What are you talking about? This is how this whole thing started.
All right, so you don't like sharing. She didn't like it -- sharing, but I -- see, I happen to like sharing.
DEREK: Well, if you like sharing so much, Adam, think about this. You're going to love sharing your wife with my father.
UNIDENTIFIED ACTOR: Come on.
DEREK: I love you Adam.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
KING: That was one of our favorite people in "A Change of Seasons," Anthony Hopkins.
DEREK: Yes. I've worked with some amazing people, and then when you work with them, you get to know them.
KING: He's a great guy, right?
DEREK: Wonderful. KING: They don't come a lot better than him.
DEREK: Wonderful. And the film had some problems. You know, we had a director replaced and things like that, which are really tough on a film. So we went through a lot together.
KING: Have you remained friends?
DEREK: Yes. I don't see him very often, but I saw him recently, and it was nice to see him, and I was so happy with what's happened.
Omaha, Nebraska for Bo Derek, hello.
CALLER: Hi, Larry, love your show.
KING: Thank you.
CALLER: Bo, I have a question for you.
Back when you put out the movie "10" and after the movie Tarzan, you produced a calendar for us, and we haven't seen one from you since then. Are we going to see one of those from you sometime in the near future?
KING: Was it a good calendar, sir?
CALLER: Outtakes from the movies Tarzan and the movie "10." I have both calendars downstairs in my safe right now.
KING: In your safe?
DEREK: In your safe? Wow!
KING: Going to do another calendar.
DEREK: I can't imagine doing another calendar.
KING: Why? You don't think you look good.
DEREK: Calendars are for young girls.
KING: Young girls to do them and young boys to buy them?
DEREK: Young girls to do them. I don't -- I'd have to get in shape.
KING: You're not in shape?
KING: How about working nude?
DEREK: You know, I've never had a problem with nudity because, growing up on the beaches, I always thought it was kind of hypocritical that you could go around and be vulgar but as long as you had three little spots covered it was OK, and I've always had a more European approach to that, I guess. So nudity is not a problem. Vulgarity and cheapness has been a problem for me, so nudity, no. But it's not so easy anymore, you know, as when you're 20.
KING: Are you still asked, ever work nude now?
KING: You were? And you would if the part were right?
KING: There's no -- in other words, you wouldn't like cursing and stuff like that, you don't like that kind of thing? You don't like things...
DEREK: It all depends. Obviously, it depends on the picture, who's making it, the script, but just gratuitous scenes -- and they are -- they are an element, especially in independent films. It's like there -- you know, you have to have a car chase. You have to have a love scene. And they're the most boring, mathematical. You know, you have to have this, you have the positions and everything.
KING: Marcello Mastroianni told me that the -- the least turn-on scene to do is a nude love scene...
DEREK: Oh yes, it's terrible.
KING: Of course, it's all camera positioning. There's 500 people around, right?
DEREK: Although -- I can say: yes, for some of us, it the hardest. But some really enjoy it, I think.
KING: Are you including yourself?
KING: No. Did John get jealous if you did a nude scene?
DEREK: No. Most of my films John was directed. So obviously not.
KING: Didn't bother him?
KING: Was he a control figure?
DEREK: Oh, yes, especially if it was his film, he was God. And that's the only way he liked -- but you know, there used to be all of these reports that John would come on the set if I was making a film for someone else and disrupt the shooting. He would never go on someone else's set. I mean, if he wasn't the god on the set, he didn't want to play, he didn't want to come. KING: Back with our remaining moments with Bo Derek, after this.
KING: You've done guest shots on "Drew Carey"?
KING: "Family Law"?
KING: Enjoy that?
DEREK: Very much. I like television. I like -- I'm trying to get back to work, so it's -- I'm just going through a process.
KING: So what are you looking for? You want a -- you had a series, "Wind on Water." Didn't last, right?
DEREK: No, it didn't, only two weeks. But those are common stories in television, I understand.
KING: What do you want to do?
DEREK: Just about anything.
KING: You've got this -- you've got the "Hollywood Fashion Machine" on AMC. That you're host.
KING: What -- give me the ideal wish.
DEREK: A variety of things. I'd love to do from a costume picture to -- to a TV series. I would be happy in any of it. I mean, it's -- it's what I'm focused on. That big element in my life is gone. And this is what I do. I really do enjoy being in films and television. So...
KING: And do you think you now, unlike before, now have the talent for it? Do you think you're now...
KING: ... good at it?
DEREK: Yes. And I've even worked with a coach.
KING: Well, that scene with Anthony Hopkins you looked fine?
DEREK: You know, there are some things that if you can react in films -- and I have worked with the greatest actors, so they just -- it just happens. What I have to do now is do it on my own.
KING: Anyone you want to work with? DEREK: Just about everybody. Just about everybody. I think -- who do I want to -- Denzel Washington I think is our best actor.
KING: Not bad.
DEREK: Not bad.
KING: You saw him that night here on -- on "The Hurricane."
DEREK: That was my favorite.
KING: You're a LARRY KING LIVE freak.
DEREK: I am a Larry -- well, freak. Big fan.
KING: What a freak! You watch.
DEREK: (UNINTELLIGIBLE) me a freak. Always I watch if I'm home.
That show I liked it better than the movie. It was more moving to me seeing the real characters, hearing their stories.
KING: And when the judge sat down...
DEREK: When the judge sat down, I found it so moving. And it just represented to me sort of the worst in our country and the best at the same time.
KING: Why do you like being other people? Why do you like being an actress?
DEREK: I think I'm -- there's a shy side of me and a timid side of me in life. And it's fun to play people in characters and make myself come out of myself.
KING: Do you think, honestly, your looks get in the way? So even if you became a great actress and worked at it, we'd still see "10"?
DEREK: No, no. Look at all the beauties -- look at all the beauties who are great actresses. No, these are -- that would be -- that would be really dishonest of me to try to use that as an excuse, wouldn't it? It would.
KING: Great beauties who are great actress?
DEREK: Yes. Yes!
KING: Great beauties? I mean, 10s.
DEREK: Oh, you sound like John now!
KING: No. I'm trying to think of -- I mean, there are some very attractive women, but a great, you know, like a 10 coming out of the water who is a great actress. Maybe historically, yes. But today, who? Julia Roberts?
DEREK: Oh, you're terrible!
KING: No, I'm trying -- I'm trying.
KING: There are some terrific-looking people and wonderful actresses, but I think it's a fair guess...
DEREK: Michelle Pfeiffer is gorgeous.
KING: Michelle Pfeiffer's gorgeous.
DEREK: Great actress. Never got in her way.
KING: Great actress. No.
But a fair guess that you, because you're striking...
DEREK: Oh, you're so nice. No.
KING: ... get in the way?
KING: You don't think you do?
DEREK: No. That would be very artificial.
KING: Are men, do you think, intimidated, hesitant to ask you out? After all, you are Bo Derek!
DEREK: I don't know.
KING: I mean, Prince Philip was not intimidated, but he's a prince.
DEREK: Exactly. Exactly.
KING: Do you think just a guy?
KING: Would you date just a guy?
KING: Yes, you would? A nice guy...
DEREK: I haven't -- oh, my god. Yes, absolutely yes. A nice guy, yes.
KING: I mean like an insurance agent.
DEREK: No, I'm not vetting -- I'm not going to vet anyone, no.
KING: You're not eliminating by profession?
DEREK: No, no.
KING: A log splitter?
DEREK: Pretty areas, yes. It's pretty up there.
KING: Certainly a horse trainer, absolutely, right?
DEREK: Oh my god.
KING: Thanks, Bo. It's always great seeing you.
DEREK: Nice to see you again.
KING: Bo Derek, she's hosting "Hollywood Fashion Machine" on AMC. She's a terrific lady, and as you can tell, quite open and honest.
Tomorrow night, an hour with Paul Anka, and on Monday night Duke of "Doonesbury" may throw his hat into the presidential ring.
Up next is CNN "NEWSSTAND," and they're going to discuss a very interesting topic, got a wide display of attention recently: medical mistakes. I think you'll be surprised. Also a pretty good look at the world of tennis coming up as well: all ahead on CNN "NEWSSTAND." That's -- the tennis feature is Sunday night as well.
Thanks for joining us and good night.
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