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Bo Derek, Tippi Hedren and Betty White Talk About Their Pets

Aired July 7, 2000 - 9:00 p.m. ET


ANNOUNCER: Tonight, Jack Hanna sits in for Larry King, and he's bringing with him a virtual zoo. Plus, we'll meet three lovely women and their beloved pets. Jack is joined in Los Angeles by Bo Derek, Tippi Hedren and Betty White.

They're all next, on LARRY KING LIVE.

JACK HANNA, HOST: I'm Jungle Jack Hanna, filling in for Larry King. It's going to be a wild show tonight. Here's Bo Derek with two beautiful German shepherds, and Betty White with a magnificent Golden Retriever, no better animal lover in the world that I know of.

BETTY WHITE, ACTRESS: One over there.

HANNA: Yes, Bo, you know, we see German shepherds and immediately we think sometimes protection dogs, you know, animals that might not make good family pets. What's your philosophy on a German Shephard?

BO DEREK, ACTRESS: Well first, he is protection trained, completely trained, and he has protected me in past. I've had some situations. And she's started in training. But it was my responsibility to socialize them, to really learn to control them. I mean, if I do ask him to attack, I can also make him release instantly, so that was -- I think I did my homework really well, and I learned. So that you can see, they are friendly, there are people walking around, stepping over them, and they're completely socialized and they live with my niece and my nephew and get stepped on, and they're like a family pet.

HANNA: Plus, they're long-haired. A lot of American German Shephards are short-haired. These are from Germany, actually from...

DEREK: They are. They're from Germany, and they are pure bred German Shephards. They just have a long coat.

HANNA: Long coat.

Now, Betty, this is a dog, that golden retriever, that I have at home. Brass is our dog, 8 1/2 years old, and they make such great family pets.

WHITE: Well, he's also protection dog. I mean, if you bend down, he'll go for your throat. He'll love to you death. You know, it's all things. But he just has no one to turn it off, that's his only problem.

HANNA: Now what about golden retrievers? You always see them canine companions, the blind, they always seem to be helping people.

WHITE: They're wonderful therapy dogs, because they're gentle, they're supportive and they're so tuned in to people. They just want to please you. Kita (ph) was socialized as a puppy to be a guide dog. His hips didn't quite measure up to go into his heavy training, so I lucked in, I got him.

HANNA: Your dog about is 8.

WHITE: He's about 6.


And yours are?

DEREK: He's 9 and 5.

HANNA: Now people talk about, you know, families having dogs, kids being around dogs early age. I think it's important because of responsibility. Have you always had dogs all your life?

DEREK: I have, although I was brought up in the south of Los Angeles, in the suburbs. We've always had dogs, I was always rescuing animals, and for me, they taught me -- they don't teach you only just responsibility, but really teach how to love, they really do, I think they're really important.

HANNA: So, Betty, even recent articles have talked about family abuse and child abuse, and they're now going back and finding out that actually there has been abuse with animals in that family.

WHITE: They have made wonderful strides. When there's either child abuse or animal abuse, they don't stop there, they go further, and there's usually both in a case, and it's -- they've made wonderful strides.

HANNA: You're involved with the Los Angeles Zoo Society, I mean, so many animal organizations that I can't name all of them. Recently -- I say "recently" -- in the last few years, a lot of celebrities have gotten on the bandwagon, but you two, along with Tippi, have done this all your lives. I mean, did you have pets as a young child?

WHITE: Always. I mean, I was the lucky kid who had parents that they'd come home say, Betty, he followed us home can we keep him, you know? We -- I just can't imagine living without animals.

HANNA: It's like our family, we always raised animals, during all kids, when they were just real little -- I remember one instance, I actually tried to have my wife breast feed a chimpanzee because it was sick at home from the zoo. Yes, that didn't go very well. She didn't do it, but anyway, the chimp lived, but that's how much we love animals.

But as far as you, your horses -- you love horses as well.

DEREK: I have horses. I just got a beautiful new horse from Portugal, a Lucitano mare, that I'm really excited about, but you know, they are a responsibility, and I encourage everyone to have pets, but know what you're getting into, don't just turn them in the backyard. they're social animals. They need love. They need to be part of the family.

HANNA: I mean, horses -- you're talking about an animal that weighs 2000 pounds. As I told you before, I've been hurt twice. That was both by a horse, and it's that people forget that they are 2000- pound animals. Is that the main thing that happens?

DEREK: Yes, and I find I'm in more jeopardy rather than being on them is on the ground. They're timid animals, they're afraid of things, so they'll shy, and that's usually when you get hurt.

HANNA: Well, you look beautiful in that movie "Bolero" riding that horse.

DEREK: thank you.

HANNA: Have you rode the horse?

WHITE: Sure.

HANNA: At my ranch. You rode Slick, my horse.

WHITE: I rode her beautiful Slick. I'm not a champion rider by a longshot, but we used to pack at the High Sierras, two-day pack trip all the time, and keep staying there for three weeks, then the horses would come in and get us out.

HANNA: Now what do you think, Betty, is happening today. I know that our dog has large heart at 8 1/2 years old, our golden retriever. Back in Tennessee, we had our collies that lived to be 18, 19 old. These animals had maybe one shot every two years. We fed them table scraps. I'm not saying that's right do. But the dogs today seem to be living shorter lives.

WHITE: Well, it depends a lot on the breeding, and the -- we have so many more people now, and people love dogs, so many more dogs, and it's irresponsible breeding, where they don't they don't keep the bloodlines strong, and the gene pools get mixed up, and you can't do that. These are responsibilities, and if you're not going to commit to them and you're not going to communicate with them, then don't get a pet, because you can't turn them on and off like a switch. They expect to be with you every minute.

HANNA: Right. Well, don't go away, because we'll be right back with Tippi Hedren, a snow leopard and her pet cats and a lot of other animals. So stay tuned.


HANNA: Welcome back to LARRY KING LIVE. And with me is Tippi Hedren, her two kittens, or I should say full-grown cats. They're beautiful. Are these registered cats?

TIPPI HEDREN, ACTRESS: I bet you thought I'd come with a lion or a tiger or two.

HANNA: That's what I thought you'd do.

HEDREN: Yes, well, you know, they're not good pets, but these are. In fact, I think that's why the powers that be invented the little domestic cats that one can pet the tiger and lion.

HANNA: You know, they say cat is a real personable, an animal that's so sociable you can leave it at home, it just seems to not really know who its owners are sometimes. But I have cats, and I think they know who we are.

HEDREN: You bet they know, absolutely they do. And they miss us, you know, even though they are very, very independent. And all of that, they still they need us as much as we need them.

HANNA: Are these from a shelter? Are these from Shambala?

HEDREN: A man called me and said, Tippi, a pharaoh cat had a litter of kittens in my garage and my wife and I have been feeding them. And they have the pharaoh cat neutered and let her go. Can you help find homes for them? And I said, sure, bring them over here, we have a lot of animal lovers coming through Shambala?

HANNA: Yes, beautiful.

Speaking of Shambala we have an animal here I know that you've seen before. We'll let Betty hold this. And while Betty's holding this, I know, Tippi -- this is a snow leopard. We'll talk about it in just a minute. But I know you have a bill going before Congress, is that correct?

HEDREN: Yes we do. In fact, Bo came with me to Washington to help promote this bill. It's called, the title is the Shambala Protection Act of 2000. I've been working on it four years, over all this time, 30 years of dealing with the wild animals and the problems that out there by these animals being bred and sold illegally as pets. I thought, why aren't there laws across United States?

HANNA: Right. In other words, what you're saying is that the registered zoos, zoos that are certified, animal breeders that are certified, that's not the problem. It's problem of the guy that doesn't understand that you can get a lion, or you can a tiger for $500, but it costs $500,000 dollars to house these animals.

HEDREN: Absolutely.

HANNA: And that's where the problem arises.

HEDREN: And not only that, Jack, they're dangerous animals. You know, they can be fine for a while and all that, and I mean my files just get bigger and bigger.

HANNA: They're like a loaded gun is what I tell people.

HEDREN: Absolutely.

DEREK: And Tippi rescues as many as she can, and she's devoted her whole life to these animals.

HEDREN: Yes. Right now, and because of this problem, we've formed the American Sanctuary Association of Sanctuaries like Shambala that can take in these animals. And right now, we have 100 big cats to place.


HEDREN: Which is -- it's terrifying.

HANNA: Well, this animal, for example, that Betty has is an endangered species. Most people may not realize that. You just can't have one of these cats. This is a snow leopard, one of the most endangered cats in world, and it's just magnificent. You can see the coat on animal, where it was hunted for its coat almost to extinction. It lives at altitudes of 17,000 feet, and you can't get one of these cats and take it to your house, because they grow big, and not only that, the proper care for these animals is 24 hours a day, seven days a week.

WHITE: And that's tough to get people to listen to, when this adorable baby is looking into camera, but you've just got to resist.

HEDREN: They're a wild, dangerous animal, not a status symbol. I have this, or I have a that -- it's not that.

DEREK: Irresponsible breeders will sell them to you as pets and claim they can be tamed and trained and everything, and it's not true.

HANNA: It is not true.

HANNA: Right. So Tippi's bill then will require everyone to have a permit on a federal basis.

DEREK: Yes, a standard permit from state to state.

HEDREN: Right. And that is city, state and federal licenses and permits, and the education to take care of them, the facility that is not just an 8x10 cage, and also a perimeter around that cage so to protect people. There was a little boy in Texas who had his arm ripped off a couple months ago. I mean, it's just over and over again.

HANNA: Right, and I've told people that that was my business back in 1973. We had a youngster, a young 3-year-old lose his arm to one of my African lions, so no one know better than myself to live with that on a daily basis, that they are dangerous animals, and you're much better off getting cats, like you said, from a humane society. WHITE: And not just cats. They want to raise chimpanzees as children or gorillas as people.

DEREK: Even a wolf is not a dog. I mean, they're beautiful creatures and they can make great companions, but they're not a dog.

WHITE: That's why we have zoos, and zoos changed to where they get the proper care.

HANNA: And we'll see that in just a minute, because we have a wolf that we're going to show people.

HEDREN: Do you suppose we would ask the listeners to help us with this? All they have to do is right to their congressman and their senator. Tom Lantos is sponsoring the bill on the House side, and John McCain is sponsoring on senate side, and we need everybody to write to their senators and congressmen to support the Shambala Wild Animal Protection Act.

HANNA: Everybody write your congressman; support the Shambala preserve bill.

WHITE: Is there a number on that bill?

HEDREN: Not yet. Right now, it's a department...

HANNA: Write your congressman, he'll know about it.

HEDREN: We'll be write back with some more interesting animals from the Columbus Zoo as well as other reserves around the country.


HANNA: Welcome back to LARRY KING LIVE. I'm with three of the greatest animal lovers I know in the world.

You know, I was saying earlier that it seems like, not recently, in the last 10 or so years, a lot of celebrities get on the bandwagon for animals just to get on bandwagon for the PR and that type thing, but you three have done this all your entire lives, and I just want to thank you, because you've brought the animal world to a lot of people over years, and we appreciate that.

HEDREN: Well, animals so -- they do so much for your quality of life, it's really wonderful.


WHITE: It's been a real struggle.

DEREK: This is another -- you know, I got him, somebody was having a divorce, and they said, do I want a parrot? I thought yes, they're pretty decoration. They need a lot of your time, they need a lot of love, this is -- they're really strong, strong personalities. I really didn't know what I was getting into when I got him. I love him. He's part of the family. HANNA: That's a yellow nape.

DEREK: Yes, he's a green amazon, yellow nape. He's very opinionated. He has his moods. He's in a good mood today, so he won't -- I don't think he'll take off my finger.

HANNA: Plus, parrots live to be about 75 to 100 years old.


HANNA: So if you have one of these animals, you'd be prepared to keep them a long time.

DEREK: And if you don't give attention they need, they develop neurosis and psychotic behavior. I mean, they just -- they really need a lot of attention.

HANNA: This animal over here, I am going to let Tippi see how she likes this one. This is animal that we've seen a lot of last 10 or so years.

HEDREN: Oh. look what we have here.

HANNA: This is a baby bitaran (ph).

HEDREN: He's not ready to let...

HANNA: A baby bitaran, or a bearcat.

WHITE: Oh, a bearcat.

HEDREN: Here you go. Oh, boy, there's your dinner. There you are. Oh boy.

DEREK: They grow up to be...

HANNA: Yes, they grow up to be about like 5, 6 feet long.

DEREK: And aggressive, no?

HEDREN: You scared?

HANNA: Well, believe it or not, in Burma and Sumatra, where they're from, they're make pets there. But again, they're not a good pet because they have very sharp teeth, they have a prehensile tail -- you can see that prehensile tail there.

HEDREN: Yes, I'm going to hang on to that tail.

HANNA: And they also like to climb in trees, where they ear a lot of birds, eggs, and things like that, but they're mainly fruit eaters, but they're an animal that has been in zoological parks in the last 10 or so years and used for a lot of educational programs. They actually see in complete darkness with those whiskers, those whiskers, they can actually feel their way total darkness in treetops.

WHITE: But you don't believe that this little kid can get to be this long and this big.

HANNA: That big, right. They're teeth are very powerful. We had a young man at the Columbus Zoo who almost lost his ear to one that we'd worked with for almost two years.

Why don't we take the bearcat and I want to show Betty -- since bearcats eat birds.


HANNA: He may lick to you death. This is a little wolf pup, and we've all heard lately of people having wolves. We've heard of accidents with wolves.


HEDREN: And they're gorgeous, oh.

HANNA: And they're a very social animal, probably most social creature we have in this country, in the world maybe.

WHITE: Let's show this pretty face. There we go, there's that face.

HANNA: This is the animal that's been reintroduced into Yellowstone, as well as a lot of other places. There is some difference of opinion on the wolf being introduced, but I think that it's part of our heritage, my personal opinion is. And hopefully, the ranchers that are losing cattle are getting reimbursed.

HEDREN: It's all a matter of education, isn't it?

HANNA: Right.

WHITE: That's the bottom line.


HANNA: Wolf have been known to take care of their sick, their young, the elderly. The animal can actually move 50 to 75 miles a day. That we're finding out at Yellowstone. We're trying to track it with the radio transmitters.

WHITE: And they're so mouthy. They're affection is mouth. They'll get your hand. They'll get your -- but not meanly, I mean, that's how they socialize with each other.

HANNA: I think the only wolf I've ever seen in wild is in Alaska. I saw a white wolf for about a minute once on a moose kill.

WHITE: I saw -- I'll tell how old I am. I saw timber wolves in Yellowstone originally. We used to go to Yellowstone every summer, and we'd take a drive at dusk, and I'll never forget one night this guy was just loping along the road, and we stopped the car, and he stopped to look back at us and just studied us a long time. It's an image that I can turn on and off like a picture. HANNA: Because you know they're -- and that's one of the lessons. That's how the elk, and the moose and the animals are controlled there. Hopefully, it will be by the wolf, too, as well, and the deer population.

WHITE: If they screw up balance of nature, we can't get it back too easily.

HANNA: You're little animal now that some people have, if you know how to correctly care for it, then this is an OK animal. But again, it takes a lot of work. It's a little hedgehog, a little European hedgehog. Notice the little quills there.

HEDREN: He's pretty.

WHITE: He's Beautiful.

HANNA: This is for some people who can't have a pet like a dog or cat, and they have a nice large facility in an apartment. They do make good pets, but the feeding is a little difficult sometimes for the hedgehog.

HEDREN: What does a hedgehog eat?

HANNA: Little worms and things like that.

HEDREN: Oh, little worms, yes, little worms.

HANNA: You've got to find little worms, little meal worms.

HEDREN: He feels very...

HANNA: As a matter of fact, the hedgehog is one of the few animals in the world...

HEDREN: Isn't that nice?


HANNA: Do you want to -- will you eat some worms? Let's see if he'll eat some worms.

HEDREN: Oh, here's some worms. Oh, boy. Here, here you go.

HANNA: He's one of the few animals in the world that they can't -- he likes worms, look at that.

WHITE: You should get him on "Survivor."

HANNA: I was hungry.

DEREK: That's not what I call a worm.

WHITE: No, no, no, that's a maggot. (UNINTELLIGIBLE)

HANNA: I'm trying to be nice and say it's a worm. HEDREN: And these are little tiny, tiny quills, is that what they are?

HANNA: They're little quills. They don't throw them. It's one of the only animals that actually the venom...

HEDREN: Eat another worm.

HANNA: ... of a snake cannot harm a hedgehog. They do a lot of research with that right now, trying to figure out why that the hedgehog...

WHITE: Even if he bites through his -- not just that the fangs can't penetrate it.

HANNA: Right, right. It's not just that. The animal are for some reason doesn't die when he has venom.

DEREK: Of the venom.

HANNA: Right, but you've read all the books about the hedgehogs...

HEDREN: Well, that's..,

HANNA: And in England, they actually have -- the European hedgehog, they actually have little pipes underneath all the interstates now where the hedgehogs can go back and forth...

DEREK: Yes, I've seen them.

HANNA: ... without being run over by cars.

WHITE: Without being run over.

HANNA: Right, right.

DEREK: Yes, so they can cross.

HEDREN: What are you doing? What are you doing?

HANNA: So we have a lot more...

DEREK: The English are very good to animals. we have a lot to learn.

HANNA: We've got a lot more animals coming up on LARRY KING LIVE, so don't go away. You won't believe what's next.


HANNA: Welcome back to LARRY KING LIVE.

And what -- an animal also that's a very rare animal is a clouded leopard.

WHITE: Did you ever see me turn a wolf into a clouded leopard? That's not an easy thing.

HANNA: But this is an animal I'm sure, Tippi, you probably have received several of.

HEDREN: No, we haven't.

HANNA: You never have?

HEDREN: No, we haven't.

HANNA: Well maybe because they're so endangered, I guess.

HEDREN: I think so.

HANNA: This animal is called a clouded leopard obviously because of the beautiful clouds on his coat there, the beautiful long tail.

DEREK: And he has a big tail.

HANNA: The big, long tail.

HEDREN: Well the snow leopard has the biggest tail.

HANNA: The coat right now -- we understand now in poaching the coat sells for about $80,000, $80,000 U.S. on the black market. There's not probably three people in the world that have ever seen a clouded leopard in the wild that we can even document. There might be 200 left, there might be 400. We don't even know because of the way they live in the rainforest.

WHITE: Really?


WHITE: I didn't realize that they were sighted that rarely.

HANNA: And we have about 400 to 500 in zoological parks in the species survival plan. This is from the Columbus Zoo, and this cat also has the longest canine teeth of any cat in the world, almost two inches when they're full grown.

DEREK: Really?

HANNA: And that's -- so when it does attack a monkey or a bird, that those fangs sink right in the back of the skull. But they spend about probably 90 percent of their lives in trees. You can see...

WHITE: And how big do they get, Jack?

HANNA: This animal will get to be about three times this size, about 80 to 90 pounds, the clouded leopard. Again, an animal that could be extinct in the wild in the next 10 to 15 years -- like the tiger. There's a tragedy, I think, the Bengal tiger...

HEDREN: Yes, absolutely.

HANNA: ... a magnificent creature that could go extinct by the year 2015. And that's loss of habitat.

HEDREN: Well they started talking about that in 1970s.

HANNA: Right, we did. And it's happening.

HEDREN: And people became very aware of the fact that by year 2000...

HANNA: Exactly.

HEDREN: ... they could be gone.

HANNA: Well that's what's happening.

And right now we have for Tippi, this is an animal that you hear a lot about, a chinchilla.

WHITE: Oh, what a pretty one.

HEDREN: What is it they love to roll in?

HANNA: In dust, a dust bath. Right, they take dust baths.

HEDREN: Yes, oh, he's not happy.

HANNA: And he's so soft, probably the softest fur of any -- oh, you be nice now. We don't want to hurt the chinchilla. I don't know where our...

WHITE: I've got him, Jack.

HANNA: We'll take the chinchilla because I think he's going to hop out of Tippi's hands.

HEDREN: I think so, too. I think you are.

HANNA: And I'm going to go ahead and let -- if we can -- give this to Bo.

WHITE: Oh, you beauty. Oh, you hush. Oh, you just hush.

HANNA: This is an animal here that's -- hold him right close to your body there.

DEREK: Look, I got him. I got him. I got him, I got him.

HEDREN: Oh, he is a snow fox.

HANNA: This is a little finick (ph) fox. I've been bitten by a finick fox. That's why I wanted to make sure it was nice finick fox.

DEREK: You didn't tell me that. You just told me how to hold him.

HANNA: I know I didn't. They told me it was the nice one.

It's the smallest fox in the world from the Sahara Desert, notice the large ears.

DEREK: Beautiful.

HANNA: Aren't they something? There are a lot of different species of foxes...

DEREK: You hush.

HANNA: ... but this is the smallest. It lives in the desert, has those big ears for several reasons. No. 1, to hear little insects, because that's what they eat, a lot of insects and worms. But also to cool him off. Like an elephant has a big ears...


HANNA: ... for the blood vessels, this animal in the desert has those big ears with all the blood vessels to keep it cool, as well.

DEREK: Beautiful.

HANNA: But it is the smallest fox in the world, again, from northern Africa, in the desert. So what you have here is an animal that's not an endangered animal, along with a very endangered animal, along with a tippy head (ph), which was obviously an animal that's raise for its fur. But also, a lot of people seem to be having the chinchilla as a pet, as well.

DEREK: As a pet.

HANNA: But every pet takes work. You know, I don't people at home to say, Jack or all of us said that they make good pets. I don't care if it's a goldfish or if it's a dog or a cat. It takes seven days a week.

WHITE: It takes commitment.

HEDREN: Wild animals need so much more attention anyway, because they have such different requirements.

HANNA: Right, right, wild animals are a totally different ballgame, totally different.

This right here...

DEREK: I know him very well.

HANNA: I'll go ahead and take this.

DEREK: Oh, man, in the middle of the night, the dogs get sprayed...

HANNA: Why don't you sit right next to me. This is...

DEREK: ... and come into the bedroom.

WHITE: Oh, yes. Isn't it lovely? I know. HANNA: Yes, the animal's get sprayed. This is a skunk, obviously. And black and white is a camouflage. People -- I counted 17 animals that are black and white: the killer whale, the cumbersome (ph) dolphin...

DEREK: The panda.

HANNA: ... the jersey cow...

DEREK: Panda.

HANNA: ... the panda, the skunk is blank and white.

WHITE: My shih tzu.

HANNA: Right, your shih tzu.

HEDREN: My cat.

HANNA: I didn't count that one. But the skunk is black and white, and believe it or not animals know that black and white, to stay away from the skunks. Usually dogs do and other animals. But this is an animal we have a big problem with in zoological parks, people calling us, saying, we found three baby skunks, we raised them as a pet, now what do we do? You've got a big problem because skunks can also carry the rabies virus -- not have symptoms but can carry a rabies.

You never, ever want to try and raise a wild animal. There's organizations in Columbus, Ohio, that we call to raise these animals. Out here in Los Angeles or around the country there are different groups of people that take care of native wild animals because that's something you don't want to do. Because the minute the animal's human imprinted, then it can't go back into the wild.

HEDREN: That's not fair.

HANNA: It's a certain death sentence you're giving that animal. So all of you that are watching this time of year, when we do see baby animals, try not to go out there and get them. Usually the mother is somewhere around watching. And if you see it doesn't come back, then go ahead and call your local veterinarian or your local zoo and they'll tell you who to call, because it can be a problem.


HANNA: But they do spray, and I guess they say catchup is what takes this off.

DEREK: Nothing takes it away.

WHITE: Tomato juice.

DEREK: Nothing could get all of this...

WHITE: Rub tomato juice. Yes, and your husband wants to leave you -- much as he loves you, he wants to leave you forever.

HANNA: Well before these ladies hold these animals to death, we'll be right back with some more beautiful animals on LARRY KING LIVE.


HANNA: Welcome back.

I'm Jack Hanna, sitting in for Larry King, who's on vacation.

And I know Larry's glad he's on vacation, because he just doesn't like these animals -- not these animals, but this type of animal, which obviously is a reptile. This is a python. What's it feel like?

HEDREN: It feels wonderful.

DEREK: Yes, it's very silky and cool.


DEREK: We think of them as slimy. They're dry.

HEDREN: No, they're not.

WHITE: And look at that pattern. It's just that psychological block that people have. They get very bad press, you know. And nobody really wants to touch them.

DEREK: Well, bad press, it's still a dangerous animal. A lot of people have made...

HANNA: Oh, she means -- Betty means bad press from a standpoint of, like, starting from the Bible. This is why we all...

DEREK: Yes, yes. Yes, right.

HANNA: ... we all...

WHITE: That's what I mean, that it's been implanted in us that, oh, snakes are to be, you know...

HANNA: And that's what I -- you know, all the viewers, if you can encourage your children, because really, there are poisonous snakes, obviously, but there's no reason to go out and just chop every snake's head off you see because they...


HEDREN: Not only that, if we didn't have snakes, the entire earth would be overrun with rodents.

HANNA: Exactly.

HEDREN: Overrun. HANNA: And handling snakes is also something that takes a lot of work. These animals -- when you see somebody handling a snake with one hand, you know they don't know what they're doing breaking you're breaking their vertebrae. You always handle a snake with two hands. Now this one, obviously, we have to have all three of you.

WHITE: And you have to be careful, because these are fragile little rib cages, thousands of them in there, and you can't -- you have to let the snake hold you, not you hold the snake.

HANNA: Right, and I get nervous when I see Tippi over there with that head, because I was bitten by an anaconda that was 17 feet long and almost lost left finger because...

DEREK: They have a lot of bacteria in their mouth.

HANNA: Right.

DEREK: They're not venomous, but they have bacteria that's very dangerous.

HANNA: Right, exactly. And 220 teeth shaped like fish hooks. So when this thing does bite, it cannot let go for about 15 or 20 minutes. They swallow their prey whole, and again, the [python is from both Africa and Asia. This is a Burmese python, and they can grow to be almost 25 feet long.

WHITE: But look at the pattern on that.

HANNA: I'm going to let them take this snake real gently here. It will take several of them, I think. There you go.

Thank you so much.

HEDREN: I met a python at the Fort Worth Zoo, and she was 30 feet long.

HANNA: Oh, really?

HEDREN: They built a special room for her, she was so big.

HANNA: That is a big one, 30 feet.

HEDREN: You could see her breath. You know, she'd go up. It was awesome.

HANNA: Now here's one. Both of you all want to hold this, you and Betty, whoever?

DEREK: Oh, not cute.

HANNA: Now that's a lizard, that's not a snake. That's a legless lizard. Notice that it doesn't have scales. It has a skin...

DEREK: God, it's really prehistoric, isn't it?

HANNA: Exactly.

HEDREN: That face is right out of "Dinosaurs."

HANNA: It also has ear openings and eyelids. A snake does not have ear openings or eyelids. And it's very difficult -- he's shedding right now.

DEREK: He's shedding.

HANNA: And it's very difficult for this snake. If you put this snake down on the table...

DEREK: You just said he was a lizard.

HANNA: I'm sorry, lizard. You know, I can't know all my facts. If you put him down, you'll notice he can't go very fast at all. They live in sand.

HEDREN: You know, he looks fake.

DEREK: He does, yes.

HEDREN: He looks like the kind that you buy in shops.

HANNA: You're right. And we try and teach a lot of people that are afraid of snakes to hold the legless lizard first and then try and introduce them to snakes.

This animal...

HEDREN: We introduced a number of people to snakes at Shambala, and it was amazing how many people were turned around by it.

HANNA: Nobody seems to like snakes.

HEDREN: All I would say is just touch it with one finger.

HANNA: Right, just one finger on the tail -- there.

WHITE: You got the baby.

DEREK: I got the lizard.

HANNA: There's a baby. The lynx, what about the lynx cat...

DEREK: Oh, he's shaking.

HANNA: Oh, poor little thing, there you go.

WHITE: We're not going to shake, we're not going to shake, we're not going to shake.

HANNA: He's a Siberian lynx.

Now do you have these, Tippi? Have you got these before?

HEDREN: No, I haven't.

HANNA: Siberian lynx. Come here, come here.

WHITE: No, he's fine.

HANNA: Is he all right?

WHITE: He's fine.

HEDREN: You know what? We have servals. We have so many servals.

HANNA: A lot of servals.

WHITE: Oh, they're beautiful, servals.

HEDREN: Yes, but, you know, that's been -- that's the new exotic pet that all of a sudden...

HANNA: The serval is?


WHITE: Yes, but you found one of yours walking down the street one night in Santa Monica or something like that.

HEDREN: Yes, yes right.

HANNA: Somebody just let it go?


HANNA: The lynx is an animal from Siberia, obviously, with real big feet. And notice the little points on the ears. That's how they locate each other in the wild.

This one's about eight weeks old...

DEREK: They're beautiful.

HANNA: ... and this was an animal that was also found as pet that Wild Wonders (ph) is now taking care of. Someone had as a pet, and now they have a license to care for these animals. Now this is what happens, though, when people get -- because you can get -- find Siberian lynx, Canadian lynx. All these cats are available to the average Joe Blow that wants to buy them.

HEDREN: Absolutely, they are.

WHITE: Those are the guys we'd like to get out of business, the ones that sell these guys.

DEREK: Yes, and the responsible ones are doing a good job.

HANNA: Right, because this cat can grow to be anywhere from 20 to 30 pounds. It can be quite dangerous. They are very, very fast. They can even catch a bird in free flight, so that's how quick they are. But they are gorgeous. As you said, when you look at them right now, they look so cute.


WHITE: But you're going to have to practice to do that, because you're not ready to do that yet.

HANNA: And what we have over here is an animal that was literally almost wiped out because of the pet trade back in the '70s. Now I'm not against a good pet shop by any means, so I'm not saying anything about that because you don't even sell this -- I'll let you stay there with...


HANNA: I'll let you -- stand right there. I don't think she likes this. Let me move this out of the way.

DEREK: There.

HEDREN: Are you all right?

HANNA: There we go. This is a Kinkachoo, or a honey bear. Now these were sold by the thousands as pets back in the '60s or '70s. And the kinkachoo, or honey bear, is found in Central and South America. We just got back from Panama and Costa Rica, where we saw quite a few of these in the wild. They have a prehensile tail, and they have a very long tongue.

HEDREN: (OFF-MIKE) wrapped around my back right now.

HANNA: Right. And they have a very long tongue that eats nectar out of a lot of the fruits and stuff in the trees.

WHITE: Even deep blossoms, they can go right down to the bottom of the blossom.

HANNA: Oh, right. And that's a good point, Betty, a pollinator. They're also a pollinator by their defecation. And you notice the prehistal tail, it's like a fifth leg or a fifth arm -- he likes your hair. A Kikachu or a honey bear. They call it a honey bear mainly because of the color of the animal and it almost looks like a bear. They're nocturnal, and they're very difficult to find sometimes when we were trying to film them in the rainforest.

HEDREN: I'll bet.

HANNA: And they do live in the rainforest and they're a very important animal. And they're an animal we don't see as much many of anymore. They're not endangered by any means, and they're threatened in some parts. But they're still killed for their meat in certain areas, as well as...

DEREK: Really? HANNA: Yes, as well as their fur is used for clothing. But the main loss we have right now is, obviously -- we've heard it time and time again -- is loss of rainforest. And we just saw that and we got back from these countries.

HEDREN: He's hanging on to me with so...

DEREK: With his hind feet.

HEDREN: Yes, with the tail. And his coat very dense.

HANNA: Let me -- since we're talking about, this is boda (ph). No one likes mine.

DEREK: No, I don't like those.

HANNA: I know you don't. Nobody likes them. But that's OK because...

WHITE: You're just thrilled with those beetles, aren't you?

HANNA: Well, these are...

HEDREN: Oh, how cute.

HANNA: ... my Madagascar cockroaches, and these are animals that will be around for millions of years...

WHITE: And have been around for...

HANNA: And have been around for millions of years. But these are from Madagascar. And you don't...

DEREK: I worked fish and chips on a dirty old pier as a teenager, and they used to throw -- not this kind, obviously -- but cockroaches down the back of my blouse, so...

HANNA: Oh, my gosh. I won't do that tonight. I'd like to, but I won't throw these down your blouse. But these cockroaches...

DEREK: I appreciate it.

HANNA: These cockroaches here, again, are from Madagascar, and the Earth is made up of -- what is it? Like, 98 percent of all creatures are insects or arthropods. In mean, it's just unbelievable. And you really appreciate that when you go to these countries and you see the numbers of these ants and insects all over the world. It's unbelievable.

WHITE: And when you think of the percent -- 98 percent of all the living insects, that blows me away.

HANNA: Right.

Don't go away. We'll be right back with a lot more interesting animals on LARRY KING LIVE. (COMMERCIAL BREAK)

HANNA: welcome back to LARRY KING LIVE.

And what we have now is a beautiful parrot. This is what we call a Macaw parrot. We have the scarlet macaw, the hyacinth macaw, the blue and gold macaw. And in South America, these birds used to be by the tens of thousands, just like crows over here. And I'm sorry to say they aren't. I got so excited several weeks ago on "Animal Adventures," when we were filming our show over there in Costa Rica, when we saw these and filmed these in the wild.

But this animal, you say -- what does it do? Dances?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes, if you sing.

HANNA: If who sings?

HEDREN: Tell Betty to do it.

HANNA: Yes, Betty, you sing.

WHITE: What song do we like?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Anything you like.

WHITE (singing): La, de, de, da, da, de, de, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da. La, de, de, de, de la, da, la, da.

HANNA: OK, That is so nice.

WHITE: Oh, you are wonderful.

HANNA: Now this bird, Betty -- thank you, Betty. This bird can live to be about a 100 years old. I know that for a fact because there's one macaw parrot in Texas that actually speaks four languages and over 300 words. Now the brain of a bird isn't necessarily that big, it's the mimicking the bird has, I think. I'm not saying a bird is a bird brain.

DEREK: Now some will argue with you.

HANNA: I know, right. But I'm just saying what biologists tell me about the brain of bird. But I've seen parrots do things that are phenomenal. The one in Arizona, for example, that can actually figure out numbers and figure out modules and that type of things is a phenomenal bird.

WHITE: That's an African gray, isn't it?

HANNA: Exactly, you're right.

WHITE: Oh, and he's something else.

HANNA: In Arizona.

WHITE: Oh, you are so...

HANNA: But this bird has a very strong beak. And you can see, he can pop your finger off if you're not very careful.

DEREK: Even Angus I've got scars from.

HEDREN: How can people be sure that they're not buying illegal birds that have been smuggled in?

HANNA: Very good question. I would -- I would always -- whether it's a pet shop or reputable breeder, you must have verification from a veterinarian or somebody that that bird's been bred there, because the largest smuggling in this country besides drugs is now the smuggling of parrots. For every one parrot that makes it I understand that 30 or 40 die.

They tried to smuggle some in -- it was in the news some weeks ago -- inside of PVC pipes. They stuffed them in pipes and almost 100 died and maybe three survived. So...

HEDREN: Or in their pockets, in linings of jackets.

HANNA: Good point. Very good point. You do not want to buy parrots unless they're a proven breeder in this country.

Our next animal -- what is this here? Do you want to bring this on?

Oh, this is a Hyrax. Yes, bring the hyrax on. Thank you very much.

WHITE: Thank you. Thank you for the song, the CD...


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: That'll be out next week.



HANNA: Now, this is a rock hyrax. Now, I think he nips a little bit.

WHITE: Are you a nipper?

HANNA: And this is the next -- one of the next of kin to an elephant. He's got the little...


This is the one. When you go to Africa -- and I'm sure you've all been to Africa, you've seen these up and running around the rocks up there. And they have a little tusk up in here. Even their little feet almost looks like a little elephant's foot on the bottom of them. But the little tusk up there... HEDREN: It doesn't look like my elephant's foot.

DEREK: Boy, I know.


HANNA: Do you have elephants at Shambala?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Two. Yes, two Africans. Timbo and Kura.

HANNA: Well, hopefully -- hopefully, we've solved some of the elephant problems in this country. I know the Columbus Zoo, a lot of other zoos are working together trying to do that.

And by the way, Shambala, for those of you who don't know, Shambala is a reserve that Tippi has outside of Los Angeles with a magnificent collection of animals there that people have not wanted or abused or whatever it might, exotics...

HEDREN: Everyone of them has a story.

HANNA: ... that you take care.

Everyone of them has a story, and all of them -- most of them are sad stories. Now there are beautiful stories.

HEDREN: Yes. We had a lion that was living in somebody's basement outside of Branson, Missouri.

HANNA: I remember that.

HEDREN: A little tiger being sold in a parking lot outside of (UNINTELLIGIBLE) in Newport Beach for $10,000.

HANNA: Exactly.

HEDREN: You've seen them. You've both seen them.

WHITE: (UNINTELLIGIBLE) when they get to Tippi's. But Buster -- I remember Buster, I remember Boomer, I remember all...


HANNA: Here...

DEREK: Oh, we have lots of those.

HEDREN: Oh, look at you.


HANNA: This is the -- this is the..

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Only a mother can love that thing.

HANNA: Can we hold him? Now this is the -- yes, only a mother can love. This is a marsupial, the only marsupial we have in this country. And of course -- can you (UNINTELLIGIBLE) tail there for me.


His tail is around my -- that's a marsupial, and they do have sharp teeth. You've got to be very careful with these animals.


They have about 17 babies. They have 16 or 17 nipples in the pouch. And we see a lot of these on the roads this time of year that are killed.

But people must remember that in the fall a lot of times see a possum on the asphalt. It has not been run over. It's there because of the heat of the asphalt.

So some people actually, you know, don't know this and might try to run over it again, not trying to, but do. Be careful, because a possum is usually out there just staying warm.

WHITE: And also they have twice as many babies as they can accommodate. I've -- I've found many possums and tried to raise them, and I -- finally it was explained to me that those were the ones that mommy culled, that she kept the strong ones and she culled the others.

HEDREN: They have very poor eyesight.

WHITE: Where're you backing up to? Where're you backing up to?

HANNA: I'm sorry.

HEDREN: Their eyesight is very poor.

HANNA: Very, very poor. And of course, this is an animal that's now adapting to our environment, like a lot of the coyotes are, a lot of deer are, the peregrine falcon. With what we've created in this country, these animals now are adapting to our environment, which they have not really much of a choice, so that hopefully...

WHITE: Peregrines live in skyscrapers...

HANNA: Exactly. These live in our garbage cans, and they actually help take care of a lot of garbage for -- oh, boy!

HEDREN: That's pretty teeth.

HANNA: You know, that's real pretty teeth there.


DEREK: And I'd like to encourage everyone to go to your zoo. The education is fantastic, especially children. They learn so much about animals and nature, because -- and in our world today, it's very difficult to expose children to nature.

HANNA: I'm glad you said that, because I, obviously being a zoo director years for 22 years at Columbus, I didn't want to say anything, but you're right. The -- 126 million people visited zoological parks last year, the largest recreation we have. If we don't educate people, then there's no chance to save the animals.


HEDREN: Yes, but -- you know, people who say, I hate seeing animals in cages...

WHITE: Oh, please.

HEDREN: ... I hate going to the zoo. My first question is, do you support it? Because if you don't, you have no right to -- to complain about it.

WHITE: Well, and we're making so many -- and the zoo community has changed. So I'm -- I just reupped for another five years as a zoo commissioner for the Los Angeles...

HEDREN: Good for you.

HANNA: Well, you've done...

WHITE: ... in Los Angeles. But the thing is zoos help each other now. They try -- it's not I want one of everything, I want more animals...


HEDREN: And they're all more interested in the habitat for the animals rather than as an exhibit, and that's so important.

HANNA: And when we come right back, we're going to see some more beautiful animals from zoos around the country.


HANNA: Welcome back to LARRY KING LIVE. Three beautiful people here, animal lovers that I just wish everybody in this country were...

WHITE: 2 1/2.


HANNA: Right now, what we have on the floor here right now is a wallaby, and I know it's -- the lighting might be a little off there. But the wallaby is an animal, it is a kangaroo. People think of a wallaby as a different -- a whole different animal, but it's just different sizes.

Wallabies, there are 30 species of wallabies. They come anywhere from 12 inches tall, like we did on our show when we were in Australia, up to this size, a (UNINTELLIGIBLE) wallaby. And then, of course, a kangaroo gets up there at about 6 or 7 feet.

And these animals are -- just run by the thousands in Australia. HEDREN: It's a marsupial.

HANNA: Exactly, a marsupial. Australia has more marsupials than any section of the world.

HEDREN: How big are the babies when they're born?

HANNA: The babies when they're born are about the size of a worm, and a good question. A kangaroo can have -- the wallaby, the kangaroo, both -- can have three babies at one time: one actually coming out of the pouch, one in the pouch on the nipple, and one that has just bred.

HEDREN: Really?

HANNA: So three babies at one time. That's why you find a lot of...

HEDREN: That's a busy mom.

HANNA: Busy mom. That's why we have to hand-raise a lot -- a lot of these animals, wallabies.

WHITE: And they're born, but then they crawl up, this little, this little...

HANNA: On the outside -- right.


WHITE: ... crawl up on the outside and into the pouch.

HANNA: This lizard here...

WHITE: And like any teenager, you can't get rid of them.

HANNA: This is an animal that was used as a pet all over the place. You remember this several years ago, the iguana. And they had a lot of problem with salmonella with some of these animals, plus their claws and that type of thing.

WHITE: Oh, look at that green...

HEDREN: Oh, look how beautiful he is.

HANNA: Now, I know that, Bo, you're doing something -- not because of -- grooming -- you can't groom this animal, the iguana.

DEREK: Yes, I do. I have a line of pet grooming products called Bless the Beast (ph). It will be available by Christmas in Petco, and it's to benefit CCI, canyon companions -- Canine Companions for Independence and U.C. Davis equine research.

HANNA: That is great.


DEREK: I'm really excited about it. It's something I've been working for a long time.

HANNA: So it's pet grooming products.

DEREK: It's pet grooming. It's starting with dogs and horses, and it will expand.

So -- I don't know iguanas. You'll have to help me with that one.

HANNA: Well, this animal (UNINTELLIGIBLE) in Costa Rica and Panama. And actually we see these in the trees, and they're quite prevalent right now.

This animal is still used, believe it or not, for a source of meat for people that live in that part of the world.


HANNA: But they don't -- I'd say certain people -- like reptiles can make good pets.

You can hold him up a little bit more. There we go. There we go.

HEDREN: But he needs a very warm climate, though. Yes.

HANNA: A very warm climate, plus the claws. And I have seen some of these animals that 15, 20 years, people have had them as a pet.

But again, it's an animal that you must take very good care and be careful of, and salmonella and things like that.

Thank you.

DEREK: Betty wants it.


HANNA: Our next animals is another animal from Central and South America, and we're going to make sure that she might -- I'll let her hold this animal.

WHITE: Oh! Coatimundi.

HANNA: Yes, this one nips a little bit.

WHITE: Coatimundi-- coati-Tuesday, coati-Wednesday.

HANNA: Aquatimundi, coatimundi.

(CROSSTALK) The South American -- the South American raccoon. And this is a very mischievous animal. This animal should not ever be as a pet, just like a raccoon from this country, same thing.

Raccoon, I love raccoons. I love watching them in the wild. But again, in the springtime we get all sorts of calls at the zoo that we found a baby raccoon. Isn't it cute? And it is for about a year, and then all of a sudden...

HEDREN: Jack, none of them are good pets.

HANNA: Right.

HEDREN: None of them are pets.

HANNA: Right, because when they do become a pet, as I said before, especially a native wild animal, right now, in a lot of the parks, a fed bear is a dead bear. For example, in the Smokies...


That's the new rule, and you cannot feed these animals when you go hiking and stuff, because that animal relates food to humans. And then of course it's not fair to that animal.

WHITE: And it loses -- it's like the condors that they release in the wild. If they're people-oriented, that's why they never -- at the zoo, when they're raising the babies, they feed them with puppets. They never see people.

HANNA: They're the perfect example. We talked about zoos earlier. The condor. Remember, everybody said that the condor shouldn't be brought into a zoological situation. Well, the Los Angeles, San Diego zoos brought them into a situation with -- what? -- 15, 20 left.

WHITE: Down -- down to 22 birds.

HANNA: And now how many?

WHITE: Now we're up to about 165.

HANNA: Hundred and what?

WHITE: 165.

HANNA: 165 condors because of zoological parks. At the rate...


HEDREN: ... the education that they have to take care of them.

HANNA: Exactly, San Diego, Los Angeles. The Arabian oryx, for example. The Mali -- Mali mina (ph) bird.

WHITE: Bongos. HANNA: Bongos, exactly. There's so many -- so much work being done right now.

You know, the woolly mammoth that they discovered, I couldn't believe that. You saw the thing on Discovery, I think, with his hair and his stomach contents. And they say that within 150 years they might be able to bring back a woolly mammoth in a zoological park.

HEDREN: Who's going to take care of that?

HANNA: The DNA. Not me.



... woolly mammoths. We'll be right back. (UNINTELLIGIBLE).

Stay tuned to LARRY KING LIVE.


HANNA: Welcome back to LARRY KING LIVE.

We have a leaping lemur here. I had a lemuring Larry, but I don't know where he is.

This is a little lemur from Madagascar, and of course Madagascar has all the lemurs in the world there. And it's -- it's a situation that is not too good over there. With -- they're really burning the rain forest in that part of the world. And the lemur's an animal that's very prehistoric, a prosimian. You know, this animal is pre- everything. It's got, obviously, a prehensile tail. You hear the little noise it's making. And they're definitely a nocturnal animal. You can tell from the eyes there.

This is a young lemur. The ringtail lemur, of course, has a beautiful ring tail that they hold up to locate each other in the rain forest.

WHITE: Duke University does wonderful work with their lemur center there. They do work back and forth with Madagascar.

HANNA: They sure do. But we have a call from Lynchburg, Virginia. Go ahead, Lynchburg.

CALLER: Yes, Mr. Hanna, what an honor, to all four of you. The guests are wonderful.

What do you do in a situation where you have a pet store that is just trash, that's got animals and dogs and cats and rabbits and...

HANNA: The question is, what do you do when you have a pet store that's just trash, with dogs and cats and rabbits that aren't cared for?

CALLER: And you call -- you call the Humane Society, you call the state, you call the fish and game commission...

HANNA: All right. Well, you're listening. She said, do you call the Humane Society? Who do you call?

I would say you call the health department, first off.

HEDREN: Absolutely, and fish and game, whatever state department. What state are you in?

HANNA: Virginia.

CALLER: In Lynchburg, Virginia, and no one will help you.

HANNA: Well, you ought to call the health department, No. 1, and then...


And then the state game and fish. If nobody'll help you, you call me, Jack Hanna at the Columbus Zoo, and I will help you somehow. OK?



HANNA: I will help -- I will help you do that.

Not all pet shops are that way. There are tremendous -- with the Petcos, the Petsmarts, all the -- I mean, right now, some of these -- they're taking animals from humane societies and letting them come into their places and adopting them.


DEREK: And it's wonderful.

HANNA: Exactly.

WHITE: And it's the difference between responsible and irresponsible.

HANNA: Irresponsible, right. So there are -- it's like everything in life, there's good and bad. But they're mostly good.

Thank you very much for brining that lemur, because that's a rare animal.

This is -- this again is a larger version of what we had on earlier.

WHITE: Oh! Come here, baby.


DEREK: Oh! HANNA: We'll him right here, because I think he...


HANNA: And there's how big a -- remember the little Canadian lynx? This is how big the animal gets.

Look at the big feet. That allows the animal to go on top of snow.

As a matter of fact, the snowshoe rabbit, its population contributes to the population of this animal. For example, if there are deep snows, the rabbit's not doing well, this animal goes down in population. Same thing with the snowshoe hare. So this -- this animal is -- that's what it eats. That's its main diet.


So big feet like snowshoes.

DEREK: Paws!

HANNA: Aren't they gorgeous?

WHITE: There you go.

HANNA: And those -- again, the tips on the ears that help locate each other, the cats in the wild.

HEDREN: He's so beautiful.

HANNA: With their markings. They're a beautiful animal.

WHITE: Is this one absolutely full-grown now?

HANNA: Yes, this is a full-grown Canadian lynx. You have the Canadian lynx. The Siberian lynx is a little larger. This animal's coat will get a lot thicker as time goes on.

Why don't we go ahead and bring in -- let's go ahead and bring in -- we've got -- this right here is a little -- what is this?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A striped possum.

HANNA: A striped possum. Oh, I've never seen a striped possum.

Wow! Where is this from?


HANNA: Australia. That's not a marsupial, is it? Obviously, it's a marsupial, yes. I've never seen a striped possum.

Now, I know you at home are wondering why Jack doesn't know what is a striped possum is. But I can't know everything, can I? There's just too many animals in the world. They're pretty rare. Look at that. It almost looks like kinkajou, in a way.


All right. Why don't -- why don't we bring in some of our other animals. This right here is a -- oh, this is...

HEDREN: Oh, now he's being cute.

HANNA: This is a neat thing real quickly. The amphibians tell us how our animals are doing. You heard about what's happened to amphibians. Since I was a little boy, we...


WHITE: Waterfall.

HANNA: Here. Just go ahead and take this. OK. Anyway I almost got through this without screwing up.



HEDREN: Well, to change the subject, I wonder...

HANNA: I was trying to say that amphibians are an indicator of how we're losing animals throughout the world today. They really are, because we've lost 40 percent of all amphibians on Earth, and that's because of obviously pollution and everything else. So we've got to really straighten it up, because even though they're amphibian and they're not a magnificent cat like this, we need to care about them.

HEDREN: I wonder how many people right now are saying, ooh, I want one of those.

HANNA: No. Well, they shouldn't have it.

HEDREN: No, they shouldn't.

HANNA: Right. We only have 30 seconds. I'm going to thank Tippi Hedren, Bo Derek, Betty White. Not only close friends, but people, as I've said before, that have done more for the animal world than almost anybody.

I just want to thank the three of you for coming tonight and sharing all your stories, and hopefully, we'll get your bill passed.

HEDREN: You know...

HANNA: And Bo, your products...

DEREK: Thank you.

HANNA: (UNINTELLIGIBLE) Betty. Continued successes. I love your movies. I loved "Lake Placid." I love (UNINTELLIGIBLE).


We'll be back on Monday. Larry'll be back. I promise I'll have the frog pee cleaned up, Larry.



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