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Bush, McCain Campaign in California; Gore and Lieberman Head South

Aired August 10, 2000 - 5:00 p.m. ET



GOV. GEORGE W. BUSH (R-TX), PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: We're a better country because of John McCain. And he's going to help me become president of the United States!


BERNARD SHAW, CNN ANCHOR: George W. Bush and John McCain stop in California and sit down for an interview with CNN.

With Southern governors at his side, Al Gore tries to improve his prospects in his native Dixie, even as he and his party prepare to get the red-carpet treatment in Los Angeles.

ANNOUNCER: From the Staples Center in Los Angeles, site of the Democratic National Convention, this is INSIDE POLITICS, with Bernard Shaw and Judy Woodruff, and analysts Jeff Greenfield and Bill Schneider.

JUDY WOODRUFF, CNN ANCHOR: Thanks for joining us.

Well, when the Democrats open their convention here next week, Al Gore will be the man of the moment. But today, George W. Bush managed to steal a bit of Gore's thunder. A new survey of likely California voters shows Bush has cut into Gore's once comfortable lead in this state and now trails him by just three points. On top of that, Bush grabbed media attention by campaigning in the Golden State today with his former rival, John McCain.

And the two Republicans took part in their first joint interview, an exclusive chat with our own Candy Crowley.

She began by asking McCain whether he truly has a warmer relationship with Bush now, despite their bitter primary battle.


SEN. JOHN MCCAIN (R), ARIZONA: First of all, we've had a number of conversations since our meeting in Pittsburgh, number one. And we understand that things happen in primaries. We were just talking in the car on the way over. There have been previous primaries that were not exactly too congenial from time to time. That's what primaries are all about.

But once they're over, then we find common ground, and we work together, and the important thing for me to do is to see that George Bush is the next president of the United States, because I believe that that's the best thing for the United States of America.

Our relationship is excellent, but the more important thing is who's going to lead America in the 21st century. And the answer is clear.

CANDY CROWLEY, CNN SR. POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT (on camera): Comfort is a lot to you, in terms of the people that you deal with.

BUSH: Well, I would tell you, I first saw John McCain up close in 1988, when he was campaigning for a man I thought was one of the greatest men God's ever put on the earth, that's my dad. And he was a warrior. When he gets on your side, he is -- there's no better ally.

He and I campaigned for Phil Gramm together. And when that ship was sinking, we were the last two sailors on board, I want you to know. When people were yelling for the life rafts, we were on -- we were on the deck.

And my point is that -- and when you campaign against him, he's just as good a warrior. In other words, he -- and I'm a better man and a better candidate for having gone through the primaries with John McCain.

But what people have got to know is we were friends ahead of this process. And it takes an awful lot for some thing or some event to undermine, you know, the respect I have for a person.

And I know politics well and so does John. And so we're -- for those who -- for those who doubt it, don't, because he's going to help me become the president.

CROWLEY: In terms of things that you have talked about, when you give your best pitch to independents, to swing voters, what is it -- I mean, yes, you can say, "Take a look at this man. If you looked at me, take a look at this man." But what about him?

MCCAIN: We share -- we share a great deal of common views. One, on the diversity and inclusionary aspects of the Republican Party, number one. We have to be an inclusionary party. That's the whole message of the Bush campaign.

Two, reform of education is a primary issue that Governor Bush wants to attack; Social Security, to allow people to privatize their savings; reform of Medicare, you could go down a list and most of what -- the very important thing to me, reform of the military and saving and helping the men and women in the military today.

So there's a long list of issues that have to do with his campaign that I share.

CROWLEY: But what does he bring to you? I mean, you wanted him to come here.

BUSH: Yes, I did.

CROWLEY: And what does he -- what do you need from him?

BUSH: Well, I -- what he's just said. He's said that there's a common agenda that -- I tell you what I need from him -- I need from him that, should I become the president, for him to help me put a reform agenda in place. This is an accomplished man. And I'm not running just to hold the office, I want to get some positive things done, and then I'm going to go back to Texas and live. And I want his friendship, I want his support, I want his advice.

John's a man...

CROWLEY: Do you want him in a Bush Cabinet? You brought it up.

BUSH: Well, that's -- let's do first things first, I think is the best way to put it. I want to get elected.

MCCAIN; Right after you decide on Colin Powell.


BUSH: That's right. He's got a good chance himself.

No, I think I obviously want John's help in the campaign trail. He's got enormous respect by a lot of people. He captured a lot of people's imaginations, and they said, "Well, this is an interesting man." And deservedly so, I might say. I mean, this is a patriot. A soldier in the best sense of the word.

And John's got some very strong views and I -- what people got to know is we share a lot of them together.

CROWLEY: And do you -- when you have talked to him, I know that, you know, this is the first time you'll have a, sort of, extended period. Do you talk about those issues upon which you disagree, as well? Is he lobbying you? For instance, on campaign financing, saying, "Now, well, here's why..."

BUSH: Well, let me talk about the campaign funding reform. You know, first, there's a lot we agree on. And I'm in the middle of a battle. It's hard to be, you know, let's change the system, when I'm running against a person -- campaign just spent $30 million of soft money against me all over the country. I mean, that's the old trick that Al Gore tried to do. And say on the one hand, we're raising money, on the other hand, call for reform.

But I'm going to work with John to get some reforms done. And we agree on 90 percent of the agenda -- on the campaign funding reform agenda, getting rid of corporate soft money, labor soft money, instant disclosure on the Internet. I agree with John on the IRS disclosure of who ought to be -- who's giving money to what causes. I mean, there's a lot we agree. And just because we don't agree 100 percent of the time, doesn't mean that we can't be strong allies. CROWLEY: Last question, if I could to you, Senator, do you think that Bill Clinton, and the impeachment, and Monica Lewinsky plays into this election? Do you think that Al Gore is tied to that, and is that something that you would in -- tactically would recommend to Governor Bush?

MCCAIN: No, I would not. Governor Bush and I both found out in this campaign Americans don't want to talk about that. What they're going to cast their votes on, basis in my view, of who has the vision, who has the ideas, who can they trust to lead this nation in this new century. I think that's what it's going to be about.

CROWLEY: And the experience thing, which the Democrats bring out now, that Al Gore's had a long history in public life, and Governor Bush started two terms ago as governor of Texas.

MCCAIN: I think it's well remembered that he was involved in government for a long time, including with the previous White House's administration. Second of all, he has had to have a significant executive position.

But third of all, being the governor of one of the largest states of America that has an incredible diversity, and carrying out many of the reforms that he has -- able to accomplish, are pretty significant credentials.

We had another president that came out of two terms of being a governor. In fact, we happen to be in the state where he was governor, and he did pretty well.

You know, I hate these governors, we should only take senators.


CROWLEY: Thank you both very much. Senator John McCain, Governor George Bush, thanks very much.


WOODRUFF: And during that interview, both Bush and McCain repeated their recent praise of Al Gore's new running mate, Joseph Lieberman.

SHAW: Today. Gore and Lieberman went South, a region where Bush is doing well, despite the vice president's roots there.

Our Jonathan Karl reports from Atlanta on the Democrats and their Southern strategy.


JONATHAN KARL, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): His running mate may be a Connecticut Yankee, but this son of the South says he can win in the South.

AL GORE, VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: We are going to be fighting for economic policies that will benefit the working families of the South and the rest of this country.

KARL: Gore and Lieberman were joined by the governors of Georgia, North Carolina, Kentucky and Alabama -- Democrats all -- a visual message that Democrats can still win below the Mason-Dixon line.

GOV. ROY BARNES (D), GEORGIA: And they said there were no Democrats in Georgia.

KARL: So far, there is no indication Gore can stem the Republican tide that has been drowning Southern Democrats for decades. Outside of his home state of Tennessee, recent polls show there is nowhere in the South where Gore is beating George W. Bush.

HASTINGS WYMAN, "SOUTHERN POLITICAL REPORT": Bush, after all, is from Texas, and unlike his father, he grew up there. He sounds like a Texan. He looks like a Southerner. So I think that it's going to be very difficult for Gore to take any Southern states away from him.

KARL: The Democratic National Committee is currently running ads in five Southern states: Arkansas, Georgia, Kentucky, Florida and Louisiana. Gore strategists also puts North Carolina on its list of primary-target states in the South. The list in itself is a sign of wishful thinking. Even the all-Southern Clinton-Gore ticket lost twice in North Carolina, a state that hasn't voted for a Democratic presidential candidate since Jimmy Carter in 1976.

GORE: I ask for your support! I ask for your vote! I ask for your enthusiasm !

KARL: An energized Al Gore addressed this rally in Atlanta. The campaign billed his speech as -- quote -- "how new-guard Democrats cut welfare rolls." But the vice president didn't talk about welfare reform, instead spending much of his speech talking about grandchildren and those of his running mate, Joe Lieberman.

(on camera): Gore aides insist that although he is from New England, Joe Lieberman will actually help Gore in the South. That's because they say Lieberman is a new Democrat, in sync with the party's Southern conservatives.

Jonathan Karl, CNN, Atlanta.


SHAW: As Gore gears up for the Democratic Convention here next week, President Clinton today expressed hope that voters would not lay blame for his transgressions on Gore. Looking back once again on the Monica Lewinsky scandal, Mr. Clinton noted how religion helped him through that difficult time.


WILLIAM J. CLINTON, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Well, I think I have given evidence that I need to be in church. I mean, to me it's a --you know, I don't talk about it a lot. I never sought to politicize it. Well, I feel much more at peace than I used to. And I think that as awful as what I went through was, humiliating as it was, that more to my -- others than to me, even. Sometimes when you think you've got something behind you and then it's not behind you, this sort of purging process, if it doesn't destroy you, can bring to you a different place.


SHAW: Mr. Clinton made those remarks during an appearance at a minister's leadership conference in Illinois.

WOODRUFF: The Democratic Convention will be something of a last hurrah for President Clinton, a chance to mingle with party bigwigs as well as Hollywood stars. The entertainment industry has been good to Mr. Clinton and to a lesser degree to Al Gore. But will Joseph Lieberman be welcome with open arms?

Here's CNN's Jennifer Auther.


JENNIFER AUTHER, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Here in the heart of America's entertainment industry, Al Gore and Joe Lieberman will take their part in their share of star-studded galas and fund- raisers, including a Barbra Streisand concert set to raise $2.5 million for the Democratic Party. But some movers and shakers in Hollywood hint it will take more than reflected star power to make them feel comfortable with Lieberman, a long-standing critic of the industry.

JACK VALENTI, PRESIDENT, MOTION PICTURE ASSN. OF AMERICA: Well, I did have a number of phone calls.

AUTHER: For years, Lieberman has teamed up with conservative Bill Bennett to decry gratuitous sex and violence in the entertainment industry.

SEN. JOSEPH LIEBERMAN (D-CT), VICE PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I watched some stuff that my youngest child, my daughter, Hana, was watching when she was about five. And I hated the message it was sending her about violence and about sex and about respect and civility.

AUTHER: Lieberman co-authored the V-chip law, which, starting this year, requires all new TV's to have a device to allow parents to control what their children can watch. He also pushed for new TV ratings based on content. All that's done little to raise the enthusiasm of insiders here, who for eight years have conducted a virtual love affair with Bill Clinton.

BRIAN LOWRY, TELEVISION COLUMNIST/REPORTER, "LOS ANGELES TIMES": Bill Clinton, during his presidency, has often badmouthed Hollywood, and it in no way soured Hollywood's attitude toward Bill Clinton. If anything, there's been a real star quality there.

AUTHER: President Clinton and wife, Hillary, will be honored at huge, star-studded events here to raise millions of dollars for his presidential library, and her New York Senate campaign. Still, observers say Lieberman's role as the first Jewish vice presidential candidate brings something unique to the Hollywood scene.

SHERRY BEBITCH JEFFE, POLITICAL ANALYST: Remember, there are a slew of Jewish activists who are also involved in the entertainment industry and there is a measure of pride in this community.

AUTHER (on camera): And some in Hollywood expect that, even if elected, Lieberman's ideas about reforming Hollywood would take a back seat to issues such as fixing public schools, saving Social Security, and gun control.

(voice-over): That's the view of entertainment mogul and longtime Clinton/Gore supporter, Jeffrey Katzenberg, who recently told newspapers, quote -- "To think that somehow or another Hollywood is going to find itself at the center of the important issues facing us today, I think is suspect at best and unlikely at least."

Hollywood has long been dominated by Democrats, and while entertainment moguls decide whether their dollars are best spent on the Gore/Lieberman ticket, in November, many may borrow a line from the movie "An Officer and a Gentleman": "I got no where else to go."

Jennifer Auther, CNN, Los Angeles.


SHAW: And pulling up a chair now, our senior political analyst Bill Schneider and senior analyst Jeff Greenfield.

Question: Will president Clinton's shadow be too large at this convention?

WILLIAM SCHNEIDER, CNN SR. POLITICAL ANALYST: Well, he's essential at this convention, because, in many ways , he's there to rally the Democratic Party base. I mean, particularly in Hollywood, the most interesting thing about Clinton is, he's a real hero in Hollywood. They love this guy. It has nothing to do with his politics. His, politics, in a way, he has betrayed liberals at every turn: welfare reform, the death penalty, balancing the budget, which they don't care much about.

What they love him for is his values. He's a child of the '60s, the first president to come out of the culture of the '60s. That's why a lot of people in Hollywood love him and that's why most conservatives hate him. But in Hollywood, he's a hero. Gore and Lieberman are not heroes to Hollywood. They represent the most conservative Democratic ticket in 50 years.

So Clinton's got to be there to shore up the Democratic base and then get out of town and turn it over to Gore and Lieberman.

SHAW: Well, I asked the question, because I wondered: Is he going to get out of town quick enough for Al Gore's taste? JEFF GREENFIELD, CNN SR. ANALYST: You know, that's -- this is where you want sodium pentathol administered to all politicians and get the real answer. They are going to do for the public consumption what Reagan and Bush did. Both Clintons are speaking Monday night. And the passing of the baton happens Tuesday literally between the coasts, which is what Reagan and Bush did.

But I do think it's not even so much the fund raisers, which apparently is causing some discomfort in the Gore campaign, that, you know, you are draining all of this money out of this affluent community. But remember, Monday night, it's not just Bill Clinton speaking. He's preceding by Hillary Rodham Clinton. And If Bill Clinton is a polarizer, to some people who has intense emotions, Hillary Clinton is even more so.

So, I -- you wonder whether or not once Monday is over, how they change the tone of the convention to satisfy those people who want to see a different kind of Democrat.

WOODRUFF: Bill, if you say that Hollywood is not enamored with Al Gore and certainly not with Joe Lieberman, given the positions that he's taken, can Gore and Lieberman really afford to just walk away from the entertainment industry? Don't they need the contributions that these people can afford to give them?

SCHNEIDER: Well, they need the money, but they have other sources of money. I don't think they're dependent on the entertainment industry. I think there are lots of places the Democrats raise money. And with Lieberman on the ticket, one of the sources of Democratic contributions has always been the Jewish community. And even Jews in Hollywood give a lot of money to the Democratic Party. They may not agree with Lieberman's agenda on what they regard as regulation of entertainment media, but they are awfully proud to have a Jewish-American on the ticket.

GREENFIELD: I would even go further. Basically -- and there's no secret about this -- the Hollywood community is liberal, first and foremost. It's been liberal since the days, at least, of Franklin D. Roosevelt. And it's just a fact of life. And the idea that they will sit on their hands because Joe Lieberman and Al Gore are pro V-chip -- and Joe Lieberman in particular has laced into a lot of companies for their gratuitous, excessive violence -- in the face of what they'll see as a conservative challenge in the form of Bush and Cheney, I don't think so.

I don't think they have any place else to go.

SHAW: Before you go, tone important here next week for four days?

GREENFIELD: The most interesting question for me is what tone Al Gore is going to take in the acceptance speech. I mean, I find that fascinating, because we -- you know, he's a man of many different tones. He's the Southern preacher. He's the technocrat. He's the -- who are we going to hear Thursday night is to me -- I'm not on tenterhooks, but I'm really looking forward to hearing the speech. SHAW: Fascinating.

SCHNEIDER: Yes, I think what Gore has to do is achieve what Bush did in Ronald Reagan's shadow in 1988 at his convention. He became his own man. And one of the things that enabled him to do it was that he faced a trial by fire, which was the Dan Quayle episode, where the press turned into a howling mob. Bush was tried under fire and stood up to the press and defended his man, even though a lot of people thought Quayle wasn't qualified.

That was his first test, and that was one way he proved he was his own man. Gore should be so lucky.

SHAW: Bill Schneider, Jeff Greenfield -- Jeff, you are coming back for a closing thought later.


SHAW: And still ahead on this edition of INSIDE POLITICS, DNC furor over a fund raiser that Jeff alluded to.

WOODRUFF: That's right. Plus, preparing for the Democrats' big event. We will ask Governor Gray Davis if California is ready.


WOODRUFF: Joining us now here inside the Staples Center, California Governor Gray Davis.

Governor, thank you for being here.

GOV. GRAY DAVIS (D), CALIFORNIA: My pleasure, Judy, good to see you.

WOODRUFF: Is the state ready for this big Democratic Convention?

DAVIS: We're ready, we're all spruced up, and I think the delegates will have a great time.

WOODRUFF: Today, in your state, you have the Republican nominee for president, George W. Bush, traveling around the state saying he's going to win the state of California. He was campaigning today with John McCain, his former rival. Both of them saying he's got a good shot in this state. Are you worried about the Republicans here in this state? They are coming up in the polls.

DAVIS: Well, first, I think John McCain and George W. Bush are decent people. But I have no fear of losing California, and I would happily welcome George Bush here every day between now and Election Day. He is wrong on a woman's right to choose, he's wrong on the environment, he's wrong on vouchers. He's wrong on gun control. These are issues that really matter to the electorate here in California. So I would welcome him, as I say, spending every day between now and November in California.

WOODRUFF: So from his standpoint, is he just wasting his time? DAVIS: Well, I think it's a very tall mountain to climb, and I'm sure his polls and his advisers are sharing that reality with him, too. Obviously he can raise money here, he can get people excited. But Al Gore should be prepared to make an all-out battle here if need be, I don't think he'll have to.

WOODRUFF: Governor, in the news today, first lady Hillary Rodham Clinton headed here to California, if she is not already here. She is going to be holding some fund raisers, raising millions for her Senate campaign in New York state. President Clinton raising money, millions, $10 million for his presidential library in Arkansas. Is all of this activity on the part of the president and the first lady in any way overshadowing what Al Gore is trying to do?

DAVIS: Well, first of all, because of the strong economy that we've benefited from under the Clinton-Gore years, there's enough money to finance all these people, and I think it's understood that the vice president will come in here either Tuesday night or Wednesday morning, that will be his day, Wednesday and Thursday, and there will be a passing of the torch in Michigan.

The president obviously has done wonderful things for America. He deserves his salute. Obviously, here he is entitled to have fund raisers, we've had some for her. She's a very good candidate. But when it really counts on Wednesday and Thursday, the spotlight will be on Al Gore as it should be.

WOODRUFF: So what -- to those in the Gore campaign who are saying anonymously they don't like this, what do you say to them?

DAVIS: I'm not sure they don't like it. I mean, this is a team effort. I mean, Clinton-Gore for eight years have done remarkable things for America. The economy is the best known to man, welfare and crime are down dramatically. You know, that didn't happen by accident. There was a lot of good work done by that effort by a team. And the president is entitled to take a bow and then clear the stage for Al Gore, and he will have his day Wednesday and Thursday, and frankly, from then until November there will be -- all the focus will be on Al Gore.

WOODRUFF: Let me ask you, again, about all this fund raising -- the president, the first lady, Al Gore, millions and millions of dollars being raised. We checked up today and we're told that you have already raised something like $21 million just in the short time you have been in office to get you ready for your own re-election. Money being raised by the Democrats, huge money being raised by the Republicans. Does this say to the public that there is something corrupt about both political parties?

DAVIS: I don't think so. I think as long as you disclose every dime you've raised, if you are up front where the money comes from, people can make their own judgments. You know, my race -- I had $60 million spent against me in a primary, more than anybody ever running for any office in America short of president. So I'm anticipating a similar onslaught in 2002. But this week, I'm raising money for the Democratic Party, for Al Gore, and having a big reception for Bill Clinton.

WOODRUFF: But you don't think all this money sends a signal of, oh, there they go? I mean, many of these protesters who are going to be out here in Los Angeles in the next few days, they are saying there is too much money in politics.

DAVIS: Well, money isn't means to an end. But the reality is people have to get known, they have to get on television, they have to get on radio. And unless we can make television and radio stations, which I favor, offer free air time and then remove the need for fund raising, we're going to be in this bind. The question is if we can do it responsibly. I have signed a campaign reform bill that will go before the voters this November, which I think makes a clear statement we want to clean up any potential mess here in California.

WOODRUFF: Do you agree with Joe Lieberman that the entertainment industry has gone too far, that there is too much violence, too much vulgarity, and that steps need to be taken to curb all of this?

DAVIS: I think Joe Lieberman is one of the finest Americans in public office today.

WOODRUFF: But that's not what I'm asking.

DAVIS: I believe his values are shared by most Americans, they're shared by me. Every person ought to act responsibly. We're so fortunate to be Americans in this time of plenty. We ought to conduct ourselves in a way that make our children proud.

WOODRUFF: So should...

DAVIS: That means...

WOODRUFF: ... the industry be self-censoring?

DAVIS: ... politician or an entertainer, whatever your work product is, it ought to be something you would be proud to show your children, and I think that applies to a screenwriter, a producer, an actor, a scientist, a baseball player or a politician. We all ought to act responsibly.

WOODRUFF: Are they acting responsibly?

DAVIS: By and large they are. There are always exceptions and when there are exceptions, it's incumbent upon all of us to stand up and say, hey, that is wrong, that is not good for our children, don't do it. But 95 percent of the entertainment industry does a solid job, inspires us, entertains us, and by and large I'm proud of what they do.

WOODRUFF: Governor Gray Davis, we thank you very much for being with us.

DAVIS: Good to see you. Welcome to Los Angeles.

WOODRUFF: We look forward to spending the next eight days in your beautiful state.

DAVIS: Well, we're delighted to have you here.

WOODRUFF: Thank you very much.

DAVIS: Bernie as well.

SHAW: Thank you, sir.


And much more ahead on this edition of INSIDE POLITICS.

SHAW: But before you continue, we have one more story in this segment.

WOODRUFF: Sorry about that.

SHAW: The Democratic National Committee is threatening to revoke the convention credentials, speaking role and co-chair status of California Congresswoman Loretta Sanchez. The issue: a fund raiser for Sanchez's political action committee to be held at the Playboy mansion during next week's Democratic Convention. In a letter to Sanchez, DNC National Chair Joe Andrew expressed dismay at the message the event would send. Andrew also informed Sanchez that he will take action in his capacity as party chair if she goes forward with the event. Sanchez said earlier, she has no intention of moving the event, and she's planning to respond formally at a news conference during this hour.

WOODRUFF: And sorry I stepped on your lines.

SHAW: No problem.

WOODRUFF: As we were saying, much more ahead on this edition of INSIDE POLITICS.

SHAW: Still to come, the other California convention.


PROTESTERS (shouting): Reform! Reform! Reform!


SHAW: Two factions, two meetings, and one fight over the Reform Party nomination.


WOODRUFF: Battling for support -- a look at the states at the center of the electoral battle and the ad war.

And later...

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) HADASSAH LIEBERMAN, SEN. JOSEPH LIEBERMAN'S WIFE: And I just want you to know how important it is for all of you to help us, because I think we have a dream team ticket, and I think we're going to win.


SHAW: Hadassah Lieberman takes the Democratic ticket's message of inclusion to her hometown.


SHAW: This side is famous as the CNN logo itself, Hollywood.

And four days before the Democrats gather in this hall behind us, the Reform Party opened its convention here in California -- or rather its conventions.

CNN's Gary Tuchman is in Long Beach, where supporters and opponents of Pat Buchanan are doing battle.


CROWD: Go, Pat, go! Go, Pat, go!

GARY TUCHMAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): They call themselves the "Buchanan brigade," and they marched into the Long Beach Convention Center ready to anoint their man as the Reform Party presidential candidate.

But another brigade, this one in favor of physicist John Hagelin, was also in force and walking into a different room in the same convention center.

What was likely to be one suspenseful convention looks like it's turning into two unsuspenseful conventions. The factions have split, each holding their own gatherings in the same convention center, and are likely two nominate two different presidential candidates.

John Hagelin claims Buchanan is trying to steal the nomination.

JOHN HAGELIN (REF), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: We're moving forward now, a united party. There has been a catharsis, but we have been strengthened by it.

TUCHMAN: But Bay Buchanan says its her brother and his supporters who are moving forward.

BAY BUCHANAN, BUCHANAN CAMPAIGN CHAIRWOMAN: Their picture is over this week. Their game is over, and on next week you'll see Pat Buchanan on the campaign trail. You'll hear very little, if nothing, from them.

TUCHMAN: The Reform Party held a mail-in primary to decide the nominee, although it could be overturned by the delegates. The nominee is supposed to be announced on Friday. JIM MANGIA, REFORM PARTY SECRETARY: The bottom line is that nobody has won yet. The primary hasn't been announced. Tens of thousand of Reform Party members have voted in this primary.

TUCHMAN: The winning candidate is supposed to get $12.6 million in federal matching funds. Two presidential nominees, though, may result in court action.

For now, there is bitterness and a war of words.

HAGELIN: The Buchanan party will have its convention in the basement. What they will do, I cannot say.

PAT BUCHANAN (REF), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I think the other side that walked down the street to sit around in some room and talk to each other, I think they just about packed it in. All their voices are shot from shouting at the TV cameras and all of that, and we are on our way, friends. We're on our way.


TUCHMAN: You may be wondering why Pat Buchanan is wearing a lei around his name. Well, a supporter put it around his neck at a campaign event at the beach just about one hour ago.

And as we speak, the opening proceedings of both conventions are under way. We come to you live from the Pat Buchanan version, And suffice it to say this day and this weekend has worked out a lot differently than most Reform supporters envisioned. All the careful logistics and scheduling have been thrown out of the window.

Pat Buchanan was supposed to speak to the convention tonight. That speech is no longer on the agenda. Buchanan says he will after he gets the nomination. The nomination will be announced tomorrow. Buchanan says he will speak on Saturday.

Meanwhile, John Hagelin says he will speak tonight as scheduled, but he'll be speaking about 150 yards away from where we're standing, in another room, to his supporters.

Now to many, all this news at the Reform convention seems like bad publicity for the party, but there are many people here who truly believe that the Reform Party is putting the excitement back into politics.

Judy, back to you.

WOODRUFF: All right, Gary Tuchman. It certainly is out there in Long Beach.

Well, the Democrats are surely hoping their convention is tamer than the Reform Party's, but they are bracing, along with Los Angeles officials, for protests outside this hall.

For a preview of those demonstrations, our Bruce Morton talked with some people preparing to take their causes to the streets. (BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

BRUCE MORTON, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): She knows. They're volunteers. They look casual, but they've been working for months, applied for their permit last march.

In today's protests, posters matter.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: ... everyone that we've met in the last five years.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Big demonstration on Sunday.

MORTON: Sarah Sloan is 19, left school so she could lead the activist's life. She's been doing it for three years, was in Philadelphia for the Republican convention.

SARAH SLOAN, DEMONSTRATOR: The demonstrations definitely had a major impact, and they also had a major impact on what people saw when they looked to Philadelphia, because the eyes of the world were on Philadelphia, for this convention, just like they're going to be on L.A. The convention, you know, really aren't that interesting.

MORTON: The cause this group, the International Action Center, is emphasizing here is the demand for a new trial for death row activist, Mumia Abu-Jamal, convicted in the 1981 killing of a Philadelphia policeman.

The posters advertise their march, planned for Sunday. So do their press conferences with celebrities, when they can get them.

CASEY KASEM, RADIO PERSONALITY: No one should be put to death without having had a fair trial. That's what we're asking for. Join us here, this Sunday the 13th at 12 noon, at Pershing Square for a major rally. Please be here.

MORTON: Press conferences, planning.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They're all fine with the sound system?


MORTON: And always more posters. They're running out of paper.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We had to get 11x17 papers brought with volunteers from San Francisco because we couldn't get colored 11x17 in L.A. So we bought out the stores here.

MORTON: Some switch between jobs and activism, some do both. They like what they do here.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That just makes you feel good, and it gives you more energy. I have more energy to play with my son now, because I'm political.

MORTON: Sunday is the big day, but not the last day. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Sunday is the big day. We're finally going to see the product of all this work. But it doesn't stop there. On that day, we want to do even more outreach and reach out to more people and get them pulled into the movement.

They believe. They'll be back.

Bruce Morton, CNN, Los Angeles.


SHAW: And just ahead, Bob Novak takes a look at the electoral forecast, and David Peeler checks the strategy and spending in the battleground states.


SHAW: While George W. Bush campaigned with John McCain, running mate Dick Cheney was on the trail in key battleground states. Cheney, joined by his wife, pushed the Bush education program in Kentucky and Ohio as part of a three-day campaign swing.

Joining us now with his "Reporter's Notebook," Bob Novak of "The Chicago Sun-Times."

Bob, you've been looking at your electoral map across the country, including the battleground states. What's the latest you're finding?

ROBERT NOVAK, "CHICAGO SUN-TIMES": The fourth round-up we've done on "The Evans/Novak Political Report," shows that whatever the popular vote might be, Vice President Gore is in very bad trouble on the electoral vote. That's what counts.

If you take a look at the map, all that Gore has right now is California, the Northeast, and, by a very slim margin, Illinois, and of course his home state of Tennessee.

All that blue you see out there is Bush country. It adds up right now, if the election were held today, 355 to 138 on the electoral votes. That is a one-way ride.

We also find that, since the last time we did the round-ups, states that Democrats have relied on in recent years, Washington, Oregon, Wisconsin, have moved into the Bush counter -- into the bush corner. So you really have an uphill fight that is really much more difficult than it would appear by looking at the popular vote, which according to the polls goes back and forth. But this electoral vote is a real problem for Vice President Gore.

SHAW: Now I'm just curious. How many more of these will you have before November 7th?

NOVAK: We'll have one -- we'll do one a couple -- at the same -- this time after the Democratic convention, and then we'll have one about every two or three weeks in the fall. So we'll be back with you.

SHAW: OK, and speaking about this convention, what kind of tone is the Gore team trying to set here? What will they try to set from that podium?

NOVAK: Well, my reporting indicates there's been a debate going on. They don't like to show any dissension, but just how hard they are going to be. And the question is, they want to show differences with the Republicans on issues that they think are good, such as abortion, gun control, the Social Security, but they don't want to be mean about it. And how can you show these differences if you're not tough?

Some of the people I talked to, who would like a softer approach, are very worried that it might come over too rough.

SHAW: President Clinton: his role in Los Angeles?

NOVAK: The Democrats I talked to just want President Clinton and Mrs. Clinton to say their peace and get out of here. They're very concerned that he's got more time in the convention city than Al Gore does. They don't really care whether he apologizes -- an apology would be silly at this time -- or a break-off with Gore, but they would really like to be done with Clinton, because this is now Al Gore's party, and there's nothing much Bill Clinton can do for them. That's what I hear from Democrats anyway.

SHAW: Fascinating. Thank you, Bob Novak -- Judy.

WOODRUFF: And now more now on those battleground states and the ad strategy in the presidential contest.

Joining us from New York, David Peeler of Competitive Media Reporting.

Hi, David.

Tell us, what approaches are the parties using when it comes to these campaign ads in these battleground states?

DAVID PEELER, COMPETITIVE MEDIA RESEARCH: Well, Judy, as Bob Novak indicated, it's really about the electoral votes. So the media strategy will mirror the electoral vote strategy. You know, the Democrats have states they consider in their column, the Republicans on theirs.

So it falls down to about 17 states that the media battle is going to be fought in. States like Illinois, Ohio, Pennsylvania, those are the states where both parties, the Republicans and the Democrats, are going to spend their money.

So far it plays out. We've seen the Democrats spend about $17.5 million so far in 15 states. Countering that, the Republicans have spent $15 million in 17 states. The difference here is that the Republicans are spending some money in both California and Illinois. I think we indicated that Illinois might be a state that's in the balance or in the swing, so they're spending money there and they're also spending money in California, which is traditionally a Democratic stronghold. So you'll see the strategy play out as we go on through the campaign.

You know, it even gets down to the cities or the markets that they select in this campaign. You'll see, as we can look at the Democratic spending, they've picked some cities here, cities like, Little Rock, cities like Cleveland, Louisville, those are cities where you get a bounce out of your media dollars because while it's one metro market area, it covers multiple states that are in play.

The Republicans have countered it by spending about $150,000 in Little Rock, $280,000 in Cleveland and $750,000 alone in Louisville, Kentucky. So you see the heartland playing a big play here, and you're going to see all of this unfold as we get down to the election in November.

WOODRUFF: David, the Democratic delegates arriving here in Los Angeles might notice that there are some campaign ads being run by the Green Party candidate, Ralph Nader. Now what do we know about his spending?

PEELER: Well, you know, Ralph Nader, as you'd expect, doesn't have a lot of money behind his campaign, but he's spending it pretty smartly. He's spent about $400,000 so far this year. We'd expect him to be in his stronghold, the West Coast, Oregon, Seattle, San Francisco, Los Angeles. But more specifically, which is unique about this campaign, is he's spending money in some very, very expensive markets, New York and Washington.

Obviously what he is trying to do is craft a message that gets out to the media, the government opinion leaders and the corporate business leaders. So he's trying to get some bang for what are relatively little dollars.

WOODRUFF: All right, David Peeler from Competitive Media Reporting. Thanks a lot.

PEELER: Thanks, Judy.

WOODRUFF: And up next, the other Gore-Lieberman team takes to the stump.


SHAW: Here we are. And this will be the home for the rest of this week and all of next week. And we're all going to have a good time.

With this Democratic convention just a few days away, the wives of Al Gore and Joseph Lieberman set out on the campaign trail on their own.

Today, Hadassah Lieberman and Tipper Gore took their version of the Gore-Lieberman message to the voters.

Frank Buckley reports.


TIPPER GORE, WIFE OF AL GORE: I present to you Gardner's own Hadassah Lieberman.

FRANK BUCKLEY, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Tipper Gore introduced Hadassah Lieberman to a crowd that needed no introduction. Mrs. Lieberman grew up in Gardner, Massachusetts, her family coming here when she was a young girl, years after her parents both escaped the horrors of the Holocaust in Europe.

H. LIEBERMAN: And we came here, and what we remember is how Gardner opened up itself to us and helped us to acclimate to America. You represent one of the thousands of small towns across America that had the values that brought us up, that cared about family, that cared about tradition, that respected others who were not exactly like them.

BUCKLEY: Hadassah Lieberman was the daughter of a Jewish rabbi, the synagogue now grown over, used for something else.

They lived in this home, now occupied by others.

Eveline Lavoie Veauregard lived next door. She remembers how her Jewish neighbor -- she was Catholic -- would begin observing the sabbath at sundown Friday nights.

EVELINE LAVOIE VEAUREGARD, FORMER NEIGHBOR: And they always sang and held hands. And my little daughters and I would sit outside and listen when it was dark. They never knew until later, and I told them that's what we did, you know, it was just beautiful sounding.

H. LIEBERMAN: Thanks, we need all of your help.

BUCKLEY: The memories invoking a message of inclusion, countering the same from the Republican National Convention. The Gore-Lieberman campaign hoping voters will see its ticket as the truly inclusive ticket, as evidenced by the historic selection of Joe Lieberman, an Orthodox Jew as the vice presidential candidate.

Mrs. Lieberman's story helping to illustrate the point.

T. GORE: She represents immigrants coming to America and being welcomed by communities such as this one.

BUCKLEY (on camera): It's a community known as "Chair City," but it is also one the mayor hopes will someday be known as the home town of the nation's second lady.

(voice-over): Hadassah Lieberman suggesting her hometown is like many others.

H. LIEBERMAN: What's real is this, what's really is us. And we have to get that message to the American people that we're real, this is the dream team, and you've got to be with us. So thank you, I love you. BUCKLEY: A hometown crowd reciprocating, providing the campaign with the kinds of positive, inclusive images it hopes to sustain during the convention ahead.

Frank Buckley, CNN, Gardner, Massachusetts.


WOODRUFF: And joining us now, again, with some final thoughts, Jeff Greenfield.

GREENFIELD: OK, Bernie, Judy, you you're outraged at the tightly controlled, ruthlessly controlled, scripted conventions? All right, take a look at what's going on a few miles south of here.

In Long Beach, as you heard a few minutes ago, the Reform Party convention is just chock full of spontaneity, dueling candidates, rules fights, credentials fights, shouting matches, walkouts, threats of lawsuits, really neat stuff if you're looking for a good story.

Now imagine if the Democratic or Republican conventions featured these fun events, as they used to. What would this press be writing about? A party at war with itself, a party that had lost control of the process, a party that was demonstrating live on national TV that it could not keep its own house in order and probably could not govern.

You know, actually we don't have to imagine. We just have to remember back to the GOP Goldwater convention in 1964 or the Democratic convention in Chicago in 1968. Those conventions were freewheeling, wide open, and both helped lead their parties to defeat on Election Day.

Here's what politicians know: The unexpected, the unscripted, the spontaneous can be very hazardous to their electoral health. So in this sense, the infomercial convention is as much the press's responsibility as the political responsibility.

WOODRUFF: Jeff, you're not arguing, to heck to democracy, are you?

GREENFIELD: No, because, I mean, if the Republicans had voted in equal numbers for McCain and Bush in the primaries, we would have had a wide-open convention. I just mean there's a reason why politicians want to keep control. They know what we would do if things blew apart.

WOODRUFF: You mean we focus sometimes on conflict.

GREENFIELD: I think that that's the understatement of this convention and.

WOODRUFF: Jeff Greenfield, thank you very much.

SHAW: Well, that's all for this convention edition of INSIDE POLITICS. We'll see you again tomorrow from here at the Staples Center in Los Angeles. It appears they're testing strobe lights behind us.

WOODRUFF: All right. And, of course, you can go online all the time at

I'm Judy Woodruff.

SHAW: I'm Bernard Shaw. "WORLDVIEW" is next.



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