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Did Joe Lieberman Give a Good Speech at the Democratic National Convention?

Aired August 17, 2000 - 0:00 a.m. ET


LARRY KING, HOST: Good evening, and welcome to part two of LARRY KING LIVE, a quiet night now in Los Angeles. Wasn't that way earlier. We'll talk about that later. Lots of guests to meet but we begin on this Thursday of the Democratic convention with the ticket officially nominated. Senator Dianne Feinstein, Democrat of California, permanent convention chair; Senator Bob Kerrey, Democrat of Nebraska. He spoke today and is not running for reelection. And Michael Dukakis, the former governor of Massachusetts, the 1988 Democratic presidential candidate. We'll start with Senator Kerrey.

The big question was: How did Lieberman do tonight?

SEN. BOB KERREY (D), NEBRASKA: He did great. I mean, first of all, Lieberman and the vice president are going to be able to say to the American people the Democrats delivered on public safety, on national security, on fiscal responsibility. But I just think in a very respectful, believable, credible way Joe Lieberman set out the differences between the Democratic positions and the Republican positions.

KING: Michael?

MICHAEL DUKAKIS (D), 1988 PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Oh, he has a very interesting speaking style, Larry. He's strong but he's conversational, and there aren't too many people that have that. And I've known him for 30 years. I must say I was even more impressed tonight than I usually am, and that's a lot.

KING: The Yiddish term is Hamashuk (ph).

DUKAKIS: Well, whatever, yes, a good guy. But I thought it was very effective. And I think he's going to be a very effective campaigner.

KING: Senator, you served with him. Were you surprised?

SEN. DIANNE FEINSTEIN (D), CALIFORNIA: No, I wasn't surprised.

KING: Has he been that well when he stands in the Senate?

FEINSTEIN: Yes. And I thought he hit it out of the park and it was important because here in California, people don't really know him. And I think there were two great lines in this speech. One is, "The new frontier doesn't lie ahead of us, it's within us." And the second one is, "We will expand the prosperity not squander it." I think both of those lines kind of set the tenor of the campaign for the future.

KING: He got that crowd in a frenzy, didn't he, senator?

KERREY: Oh, he did.

KING: I mean, certainly would be the moment of this convention, wouldn't it?

KERREY: It would. I mean, he's got a great life story: his story, Hadassah's story, their family's story. But an awful lot of people did not know that Joe Lieberman risked both political life as well as physical life as a freedom rider. Didn't understand his record as attorney general and filing lawsuits against people who were polluting and intentionally disrupting the environment of the state. I mean, he didn't understand the sorts of things that Joe Lieberman stood for. But what Michael is saying is quite impressive is that he can disagree with people without destroying them. He can disagree with people without saying that they're bad human beings.

KING: Now how much does he mean in this race?

DUKAKIS: I think a lot. You know, this is the first really presidential decision that you make as a nominee, Larry. I mean, the speeches and the position papers are fine but this is the first time people have a chance to see what kind of people is this guy going to surround himself with? Nothing against Dick Cheney but I don't think he's in the same league with Joe. And I think Joe, for so many reasons, just adds enormously to this and to Gore because it tells you something about what Gore is looking for and the kind of people that he's going to be working with.

KING: And what, Senator Feinstein, does Gore have to deliver tomorrow?

FEINSTEIN: Well, I think he has to deliver...

KING: Speech of his life?

FEINSTEIN: ... the speech of his life. I think he has to take the legacy that he's been given in terms of the last eight years and really chart its future. He's got to show the kind of person that he is and he's also got to show where he might differ in terms of public policy. You know, everybody has a health care plan and everybody has a school plan, but where he's different and how he'll protect this nation. And one of the things missing from this convention really has been foreign policy. And the world is not a safer place today than it used to be, and so America's position in the world is also, I think, a major point around which people will vote for the presidency. He's got to establish that.

KING: You think military preparedness raised tonight by Lieberman, raised by the Republicans is going to be an issue? KERREY: Oh, yes. It'll be an issue that will play well for us. We've established, as I said, credibility not just in national security but also in public safety and in fiscal responsibility, three issues where we're typically vulnerable. Joe Lieberman is a credible witness on national security and he can go head to head with anybody. And he made a passionate and I think correct offense of the Clinton- Gore national security policies and their commitment to make certain that they do whatever possible to make certain the United States of America is both safe and secure.

KING: I guess they meant it the way they said it. There were some pundits saying tonight that the Democrats have to Dukakis Bush. In other words, tie him to his state, make the state weak. How do you react to that?

DUKAKIS: Well, I'd like to think Mike Dukakis had a hell of a lot better record as governor than George Bush. But there's no question -- yes, I mean, there are some very impressive Republican governors in this country, George Bush isn't one of them, quite frankly, Larry. But, look, if you're a governor and that's the place where you are, you'd better be ready for a very tough and searching look at what you've been doing as governor. And I had to deal with that and he's going to have to deal with it.

KING: Texas an issue?

FEINSTEIN: Well, you know, going back to Michael Dukakis, the Willie Horton spot was perhaps the cheapest political spot ever done in modern history, I felt. And I'm one that sat on the term setting and paroling authority and I know how these decisions are made. And I think there's no question it's tough when you're a governor. But I think the Gore-Lieberman asset in this is experience, it's stability, it's maturity. It's the ability to work with the Congress. After all, Al Gore and Joe Lieberman know the Congress that they're going to be working with.

KING: Is it too soon to point out that they're far behind in the polls?

KERREY: No, it's not too soon to point that out. I'd much rather be far ahead of the polls than far behind but I think we got a great beginning tonight with Lieberman, and I think Al Gore tomorrow is going to deliver a sensational speech and we'll come out of this extremely strong.

And one of the things that I found to be very compelling in Senator Lieberman's presentation, which I think is accurate, is that I, too, have begun to notice -- although I've not said it -- that in Philadelphia, Republicans were trying to act like Democrats, and they're trying to muddy the waters and say they're for gun control as well. Well, they're not. They're down the line supporting the National Rifle Association position. They're out of step with the American people. The American people know that they don't feel safe. And so Lieberman has set the tone tonight by saying, "We can accentuate these differences in a very respectful way. We don't have to destroy one another but those differences are real and they're meaningful.

KING: It's your party's job to sell that story, right?

DUKAKIS: Yes, we're going to do it. And, of course, only Mike Dukakis knows how foolish these poll numbers are at this point. And I mean that.

KING: You were how much ahead?

DUKAKIS: Well, allegedly, 17. I never took that seriously but a lot of people did. This race is about 35 to 35 with 30 percent on the side, in my opinion. That's where we really are.

KING: Do you all agree? It's going to be that close?

KERREY: No, I would say there's a lot of volatility yet.

DUKAKIS: Enormous. And it's up to these guys and us to go out there and make the case.

KING: We'll be seeing lots of you. Senators...

FEINSTEIN: I just want to say one other quick thing.

KING: Quick.

FEINSTEIN: It's no coincidence that this is in California. I don't think you can win the presidency today without the West, and particularly California. So this -- what's happened here tonight is a very pivotal thing for the Democrats.

KING: You've got to win this state.

FEINSTEIN: That's right.

KING: Senators Feinstein, Kerrey and Dukakis. We'll be back. We'll get you up to date on the condition of Senator McCain. We'll also report on what happened here earlier tonight outside the arena. Don't go away.


SEN. JOSEPH LIEBERMAN (D), VICE PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: It was 40 years ago when we came to this city and together crossed a new frontier with a leader who inspired me and so many others in my generation into public service. Today, we return to this same great city with prosperity at home and freedom throughout the world that John F. Kennedy could only have dreamed about.

We may wonder tonight where the next frontier really is. Tonight, I believe the next frontier isn't just in front of us, but inside of us, to overcome the differences that are still between us, to break down the barriers that remain and to help every American claim the possibilities of their own God-given lives.



KING: A helicopter passes over a full moon. See the plane goes by. The city of Los Angeles on a beautiful night. It's only about 12 minutes after 9:00 Pacific time. That's beautiful but what happened earlier wasn't beautiful. We're going to show you some scenes of what took place outside the arena sometime ago.




KING: That demonstration involved 2,000 young people. It ended early Wednesday evening when the demonstrators left. A CNN employee was injured by one of the policemen.

Joining us before we talk with Dr. Glaspy about malignant melanoma and Senator McCain is Commander David Kalish of the LAPD. What happened?

COMMANDER DAVID KALISH, LOS ANGELES POLICE DEPARTMENT: Well, unfortunately, Larry, the end of a major demonstration, it became violent. And officers were attacked and had to move in and use force. And most unfortunately, one of your employees who was nearby was inadvertently injured there and he was poked with a baton. I'd like to say it is a most unfortunate incident, and clearly, we respond -- we apologized for the unfortunate incident.

KING: Has there been a danger with the LAPD of acting too quickly?

KALISH: No, I don't think that's the case. I think that we've seen our response to be strategic, measured and appropriate. The problem we had tonight was we had a violent situation, numerous demonstrators becoming unruly, it was a very tense situation. But we had many, many journalists who had integrated themselves into the front lines of the demonstration, and therefore became a dangerous situation. And as you saw, someone was -- from your staff was actually poked with a baton. And, again, we apologized for that. But, unfortunately, that's what happens in these types of situations when journalists are integrated into a violent situation.

KING: And on Monday night, the reason for the use of mounted police was what, David?

KALISH: Well, we used mounted police for a number of different reasons, in crowd control situations. On Monday night, we had a very, very violent situation; officers were attacked. And the horses are used with the officers, they're higher up, they have higher visibility and they're able to move crowds out of an area very quickly. They're very effective.

KING: Commander Kalish, let's hope for a peaceful day tomorrow. And thank you very much.

KALISH: Sure, thank you.

KING: Commander David Kalish with the LAPD.

We now turn our attention to a medical story that's occurring right now in Arizona that involves Senator John McCain, who has been diagnosed with malignant melanoma. There will be further tests. We're calling now upon Dr. John Glaspy, medical oncologist, director of the Oncology Center at UCLA Johnson Cancer Center.

What is malignant melanoma?

DR. JOHN GLASPY, MEDICAL ONCOLOGIST: It's a cancer of freckles where freckles become malignant, the same cells that are in freckles and have the potential to spread through the body.

KING: Do we know where he stands now?

GLASPY: We don't. And maybe it's not our business ultimately. It's his. But from what has been reported, it sounds like these are new primary melanomas, not recurrences of the previous one, which would be the most favorable situation.

KING: It would be favorable if it was a recurrence of the previous rather than new?

GLASPY: No, if they were new. The situation that we think from what's been reported is the case would be the most favorable one. Remember, most melanomas, when they're diagnosed in the skin, are cured by surgery.

KING: And when they do the surgery, what do they do?

GLASPY: They do a wide removal of a lot of normal skin surrounding the area where the melanoma was and then do something to sample a few of the lymph nodes in the region to make sure it hasn't spread.

KING: And what tells them that it's spread?

GLASPY: How deep it is and whether it's in those lymph nodes give you an idea of the chances that it has spread. X-rays can help to make the diagnosis that things have spread.

KING: Is it a preventable cancer?

GLASPY: Largely. Not all of them are but all skin cancers -- melanoma in particular -- are preventable in most cases by limiting sun exposure.

KING: Is it a good rule to just stay out of the sun?

GLASPY: That would be the best rule.

KING: Best rule. In other words, don't sunbathe with any kind of block, period?

GLASPY: Don't look for sun exposure. And when you do have it, you wear sun block. It's the ultraviolet part of the sunlight that's damaging.

KING: Is there a genetic component?

GLASPY: There are -- people who are fair-skinned have a higher incidence of melanoma because the sun is more damaged.

KING: All right. And so finally, Dr. Glaspy, what is he hoping for tonight? A report that says...

GLASPY: I think he's hoping for the report that says that these are not very deep melanomas and that they haven't spread, and that the same thing that happened with his previous experience will be the case. He'll have an operation and he'll be fine.

KING: Thank you, doctor.

GLASPY: Thank you.

KING: Dr. John Glaspy, director of Oncology Center, UCLA.

Before we meet our next guest, Vice Admiral Patrick Hannifin, for an update on the submarine story, then Tipper Gore and then a very funny panel, here's what Senator McCain had to say earlier today.


QUESTION: Senator, what happened to your face?


GOV. GEORGE W. BUSH (R-TX), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: That's a personal question.


MCCAIN: Every few months, I have to go and get these basal cell things cut out from having a lot of exposure to the sun when I was very young and have fair skin. And I advise everyone wear sun screen, wear sunscreen. I'm dead serious.

QUESTION: Today's message.

MCCAIN: Yes, today's message. Wear sunscreen or you'll be going under the knife.



KING: We're joined again for a few minutes by Vice Admiral Patrick Hannifin. He's been reporting for us every night, United States Navy, retired, nearly 35 years in submarine service -- he's down in San Diego -- about the Russian nuclear sub. We have new photos to show you, too, taken by a piper cub flying nearby in the Barents Sea.

British military rescue submersibles are on their way. What will they do, Admiral Hannifin?

RET. VICE ADM. PATRICK HANNIFIN, U.S. NAVY: Well, hopefully, they will be able to mate up with the downed submarine. It's going to be very difficult because of the angle that the submarine lies on the bottom at a reported 60-degrees. With our rescue submarines, we can handle it up to about 45 degrees. I don't know what the specific capabilities are of the British nor do I know -- I assume that they can be compatible with the hatch on the downed Russian submarine.

KING: Now we're getting sketchy reports. Do you think there are men alive on that sub?

HANNIFIN: I think it is possible but not very probable.

KING: Because?

HANNIFIN: Well, because the lack of communication for several days now and the fact that if there had been some alive, they would have been able to communicate one way or the other, hopefully with an underwater telephone, although they may be in a compartment. If they survived the initial dive, they may be in a compartment where the underwater telephone is not available.

KING: And they have near total darkness, right? It's very cold.


KING: Oxygen has to be depleted one would guess.

HANNIFIN: Yes. They have oxygen banks there that they can bleed into the compartment. The ability to absorb the carbon dioxide has to be with some sort of a chemical that can be spread out that would absorb it since none of their equipment is apparently operating with the reactor shut down and very little battery power.

KING: Admiral, are we at the miracle stage here?

HANNIFIN: I think so. I think so. I think, you know, submariners around the world have a very common bond. We all face -- have faced the same kind of experiences and the same kind of danger and we all operate in a different world under and beneath a very unfriendly sea.

KING: Yes. We wish them every good wish.

HANNIFIN: Yes. They need prayers as much as anything else. I hope that the Brits are able to mate up with the submarine and get the hatch open, find out really what is going on inside the submarine.

KING: From your lips to God.


KING: Thank you, Vice Admiral Patrick Hannifin.

HANNIFIN: Thank you, Larry.

KING: When we come back, we're going to repeat an interview we did earlier with Tipper Gore. And then our panel of Jon Stewart, Chris Tucker and Tucker Carlson. That's ahead on this edition of LARRY KING LIVE. Tipper Gore is next. Don't go away.


KING: Traffic moving smoothly now around Los Angeles. Mary Elizabeth Tipper Gore. She could be the next first lady. She dropped by earlier this evening toting a camera. I reminded her that she snapped a photo of me awhile back at an airport and I asked why she's always taking pictures of people.


MARY ELIZABETH TIPPER GORE, WIFE OF VICE PRESIDENT AL GORE: I started off as a newspaper photographer and I gave that up when Al first ran for Congress. And I have kept my love of photography and I enjoy taking pictures.

KING (on camera): When you read a newspaper now, do you look at the photography and say, "I'd have shot that differently"?

GORE: Well, I do look at the photography and I think photographers are very important in reporting the news. And photojournalists are to be credited with what they do. Many of them lose their lives even bringing us the truth. And images, you know, are very important.

KING: OK, Tipper -- we can call you Tipper, right?

GORE: Please, of course.

KING: How different is this than running for Mrs. Vice President?

GORE: Well, this is different, obviously. Al is running, talking about his vision of the future, what he wants to do to make people's lives better. And it's a whole different campaign. It's very exciting. I'm looking forward to his speech. I'm sure everybody else is. I'm looking forward to him finishing it.

KING: Do you know what he's going to say?

GORE: I do know a lot of what he's going to say because he's going to talk about specific things that he wants to do for the American people. He wants to tell people where he wants to lead this nation so they can make up their minds.

KING: Will we see some of his sense of humor, which his friends know he has and the public doesn't? GORE: I know. I think we'll see some of it. This is, obviously, a serious moment and he wants to be able to really convey his message to the American people. But, yes, I think his humor and his wit does come through.

KING: Were you consulted on the Lieberman pick?

GORE: Well, I'm a sounding board for Al.

KING: I mean, did they say, "What do you think?"

GORE: No, you know, how it is in families and all big decisions. I think people talk to each other about that, yes. I'm very, very excited about Senator Lieberman.

KING: You liked him right away?

GORE: I think he brings a lot to the ticket. Joe and Hadassah have been friends for 15 years, frankly, so we know them very well, admire them, and know him to be a man of courage and conviction and has been a great leader.

KING: Are you ready, really, for the rigors of this? As you said, it ain't Mrs. Vice President. It's a lot different.

GORE: Well, I better be ready. I am ready. I think it's -- of course, I'm ready. This election actually is going to be one of the most important, I think, that we have had because we're going to have such a clear-cut choice, two very different visions of the future for people. And it's up to us to get our message out and to tell people where Al wants to lead the country in this next century.

KING: Are you surprised, Tipper, that you're behind in the polls?

GORE: I think it -- I don't really care that much about polls, Larry. I don't pay that much attention to them. I think they change.

KING: Even when you're ahead?

GORE: Even when I'm ahead. Even when I'm ahead. I think that they at some point do become important but I think that right now is very early. I believe the conventions, both the Republican and the Democratic convention, are sort of the starting gate for the campaign. Most people are going to start paying attention in the fall. I would say in October. And I think, you know, by then, they're really going to know Al Gore and what he stands for and where he wants to take this country and what he wants to do to make people's lives better.

KING: This is your first look at the floor, right?

GORE: It's very exciting, yes.

KING: When did your daughter begin to get so involved politically? GORE: My oldest daughter, Karenna, is 27. She -- I think in this election, she's always been an activist. I mean, she's always been -- she really cares about...

KING: But we've never seen her come to the forefront before. Campaign director almost.

GORE: She's old enough now to do what -- you know, she's 27. I've got to let go. She's old enough...

KING: Let her go already.

GORE: I know. I'm letting her go and I'm very proud of her. I think because she cares so very passionately about the issues and she knows that people her age need to understand that politics is personal and that every vote counts. You know, we were watching Caroline Kennedy Schlossberg and Senator Ted Kennedy last night and I was thinking back to the fact that John Kennedy was nominated in this city. But the important thing is he won by one vote per precinct when they average it out. Every vote is in important. And more importantly, I know Karenna and my other children feel strongly as well that young people need to know that they should have a voice in choosing their future.

KING: You like being a grandma?

GORE: I love being a grandma. I have a wonderful grandson named Wyatt.

KING: Wyatt, a cute little boy.

GORE: Very cute. He and Chance will probably be friends.

KING: I hope so. Cannon. I hope we get together. I know. There was some reports -- let's clear it up. They said it was awkward yesterday in Michigan, you and Al and the president and Hillary, that the body language was bad. You're laughing. Was there...

GORE: Who's they?

KING: I don't know who they -- Maureen Dowd today did a whole column on it.

GORE: Who's they? You know, who's they?

KING: Get the they, they.

GORE: I was there. You want to know my take on it?

KING: Yes, that's why I'm asking.

GORE: It was great. It was great.

KING: Never awkward?

GORE: We were on Monroe. There were thousands and thousands of people there. It was wonderful. It's been a terrific eight years. There's so many accomplishments to feel proud of and to talk about in terms of what's been done for the American people. And it wasn't awkward at all.

KING: So it wasn't anything awkward?


KING: Did you hear this? They were reporting.

GORE: I haven't even heard this, no. I haven't heard this. You know what? I was there so I can tell you.

KING: Someone said Hillary looked one way, you looked another. You didn't look at each other. Honest, I'm telling you what was reported. You're shocked?

GORE: I am surprised, actually, yes. No, it was very warm. And we spent time together before we went out and reminisced and talked and took pictures. And Chelsea was there. She, if you might notice, came out at the end.

KING: She's quite a lady.

GORE: Yes, she's turned into a beautiful, lovely young woman. There wasn't an awkward moment there. It was wonderful. And I think it was -- for me, it was very moving personally.

KING: One other question and we'll let you go.

GORE: Yes.

KING: We'll see a lot of you, of course, on the trail, right? Maybe you could debate the first lady of Texas. Might be interesting. What about it?

GORE: Well, I think the debates are for the candidates. I think that it would be very good if, you know, my husband continues to ask for debates and that...

KING: They're ready.

GORE: ... his opponent decides to do more.

KING: What do people watching not know about Al Gore?

GORE: Probably this, that as busy as he's been with a life of public service for 24 years, that when any of us in the family have needed him, he has been there for us.

KING: Family first.

GORE: Without fail. And I think what it says is that he's been there for our family, and I can tell you this: He will be there for your family. And that's I think an important thing to know about him.

KING: OK, Tipper, one more shot and you're out.

GORE: OK. Thank you, Larry.


KING: Tipper Gore. When we come back, the rest of the show with Jon Stewart of Comedy Central; Chris Tucker, the actor and comic; and Tucker Carlson, the writer, op-ed page columnist, "Talk" magazine and CNN political analyst. They're all next for the rest of the way. Don't go away.


KING: Look at that shot. A helicopter against a full moon over Los Angeles. A little earlier tonight, we thought we'd like to see that again. Nice.

We come to LARRY KING LIVE Portion Two -- we're on twice nightly through the conventions -- with Jon Stewart, the host of Comedy Central's "The Daily Show With Jon Stewart"; Chris Tucker, the actor and comic -- he's -- his credits include "Rush Hour" and "The Fifth Element," and he's currently making a movie called "The President" about the first African-American president; and Tucker Carlson, on the staff of "The Weekly Standard," contributor to "Talk" magazine, and CNN political analyst.

So, Jon, you're between two Tuckers.


KING: Are you humbled by this?

STEWART: I'm a bit humbled, although this Tucker I consider a hippie, so I don't...

KING: He's...


STEWART: That's right. I really feel like he needs to get a haircut.

KING: All right. Let's go around. Lieberman tonight. How did he do, Chris?

CHRIS TUCKER, ACTOR/COMEDIAN: I think he did a great job. I like his personality. He needs to work on his comedy stand-up routine. I seen him on the news. He needs to work on that.

KING: He was not funny tonight?

TUCKER: Thank God he's a -- he's going to be vice president. But he's good. I like him. I like his morals. I like that.

KING: Stand-up guy to you.

TUCKER: Good guy.


How did he do, Tucker?

CARLSON: I thought he did fine. I don't think he did as well as he might have.

KING: Have you ever been exuberant about anything?

CARLSON: Yes. I get exuberant -- I'm not sure that -- that Lieberman's speeches will get me exuberant under any circumstances.

KING: OK. Have you ever said about any speech said, "Yes!"

CARLSON: Not that I can remember, but this...


CARLSON: ... speech definitely not. I mean, I don't know. It was -- it was pretty good, but there was -- there was so much kind of, you know, "I love my wife," "My wife loves me," you know, just making the point over and over that he's a decent person when, you know, everyone already knows he's a decent person.

KING: So he didn't -- it didn't impress you one way or the other?

CARLSON: Yes, I thought it was fine.

KING: Jon.

STEWART: First of all, he's 85 years old. I've never seen a guy more jaded who's skin is still so soft.

CARLSON: Thanks.

STEWART: You smell so good.


CARLSON: Jon, you've got me worried.

KING: Lieberman.

STEWART: Lieberman, the Orthodox Jewish vice president. He has shown us tonight...

KING: Yes.

STEWART: ... he is ready to build that bridge to the 59th century. You know, their calendar is different. They have a -- it's -- I think it's...

KING: Yes, that's true.

STEWART: That's where the -- the joke came in.

KING: Were you impressed by the speech, Jon? First of all, did...

STEWART: I don't -- I'm probably -- I'm like Tucker. I've not been impressed by almost any speech that someone has written and given because it's -- they all do the same thing. You know how they got the three Teleprompters now? So it's always one of these, "My wife," "She loves me," "I love her." You know what I mean? They always do that like boom -- bang, bang, bang.

KING: Did you ever work with three...

STEWART: It's creepy.

KING: ... Teleprompters?

TUCKER: Never. Never.

KING: Do you think it would be difficult?

TUCKER: It -- like -- probably not. You know, during movies, you got one. So...

KING: How did you...

STEWART: Movies you work with three fluffers.


STEWART: That's not...

TUCKER: That's right.

KING: How did you feel about the Republican convention, seeing all of your brothers on stage?

TUCKER: In the Republican, I -- I didn't like it better than this one. I like -- I like the first night when Clinton came out. He came out like Michael Jordan. I liked the way he came out. He came out. He knew what he did for the last eight years, did a good job. I liked it. I didn't like the Republican convention.

KING: No? Did you like that long walk?

TUCKER: I liked it. It was cool. It was real nice.

STEWART: But they led with Clinton. That was -- that was dopey. It's like he says. They're leading with Michael Jordan, and then the last night, they're bringing out Bill Wennington. You know what I mean? Like it's not -- why are you bringing out your top gun at the...


STEWART: You never give -- it's like doing the ending of the movie. Like...

KING: Wait a minute. You would have had Gore close? You would have Gore open?

STEWART: Gore open. Yes. Clinton coming in, close it. Close it down. He's the...

KING: Wait a minute, but he's not the nominee.

STEWART: He's not? Well, then what -- who's running?

TUCKER: It's hard to follow Clinton, though. It's hard to follow him.

STEWART: He's very tough to follow.

TUCKER: He gives a good speech.

STEWART: He's very tough to follow. I had to follow him at the White House correspondents dinner. It was very difficult. After he finished -- he did his remarks, he was very funny, and then he turned to me, and he goes, "Follow that."

KING: He's funny. But how could they have put -- how could they have played it any differently, Tucker?

CARLSON: I think -- well, I don't know. I think Clinton could have spent a lot more time talking about what a great guy Gore was. So he got -- he left it tonight for, you know, Tommy Lee Jones to get up and say, "Well, I -- he played pool, he watched `Star Trek,' and he blew off class once in a while." I mean, it was -- it was sad the degree to which they were saying Al Gore is, you know, a human being. I mean, it's...

TUCKER: I think it was -- it was OK. I mean, he did -- in eight years, he did a great job. It was one of his last speeches. Why can't he, you know, tell everybody what he did and, you know, he's...


STEWART: ... understand that.

KING: He gave you those cuff links, didn't he?

STEWART: You know what I thought he was going to say at the end of it?

TUCKER: Yes, he gave me these cuff links, so -- you know, we're good friends.

STEWART: I really thought at the end of the...

TUCKER: He's probably watching me right now.

STEWART: ... at the end of his speech after he had said all the things about how good he did, he was going to say, "You know something, people? I haven't said this before, but I'm going to say it now. I think I deserved the oral sex. I think I did. I think I was that good in office."

CARLSON: Well, I think what -- I think we know he feels that way, so that's good to know.


KING: On that note, we'll be back with more of our illustrious panel on this edition of LARRY KING LIVE Part Two. Don't go away.


SEN. JOSEPH LIEBERMAN (D-CT), VICE PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Our opponents are decent, and they are likable men. I'm proud to call many in their party my friends. But America must understand there are very real differences between us in this election.

Two weeks ago, our Republican friends actually tried to walk and talk a lot like us.


Did you notice? Yes. Well, let's be honest about this. We may be near Hollywood tonight, but not since Tom Hanks won an Oscar has there been that much acting in Philadelphia.




KING: We're a little late, folks. So good night. Whew! I felt like we'd been gone. That's Mary Chapin Carpenter, Arlington -- Arlington, Virginia's own Mary Chapin Carpenter doing her entire album tonight here on LARRY KING LIVE Part Two, and we are...

STEWART: It's traditional in American politics to end the delegate roll call with a slow dance.

KING: With a slow dance.

STEWART: Yes, that's -- they've probably done it since Coolidge.

KING: What did you feel about a Jewish person being on the ticket, Chris?

TUCKER: Well, me being a Jew myself, I just felt -- I just felt so good. I felt...

KING: It warmed you.

TUCKER: It warmed me. I -- a tear came down my eye today when I was -- when Lieberman was speaking. It was -- I just felt like he was speaking directly at me. KING: Did you -- did you think of your own Bar Mitzvah?

TUCKER: I -- Yes. The first time I just -- I had so much feeling at my Bar Mitzvah. It's...

KING: The brothers loved it.

TUCKER: Oh, yes. The brothers loved it. They -- yes, they loved it a lot.

KING: What did you think of it? What were you feeling as an Anglo?

STEWART: As the only white person we've seen in ages.

CARLSON: I'll take that as a compliment. I -- I thought it was great. I mean, you know, I...

KING: Good for America.

CARLSON: I think it was good for America, and I disagree with this idea that, you know -- you know, around the country, people are saying, "Oh, we don't want a Jew as vice president." I mean, I think when Lieberman said...

STEWART: Wait. Around the country, they're saying they don't want a Jewish vice president?

CARLSON: No, no. This -- this idea that there's going to be huge...

STEWART: Oh, oh.

KING: Hold on one second.

CARLSON: I don't think people are saying that, and I think that when Lieberman says, you know, what a great country this is, I think people who are Jewish and people who aren't say, "Yes, that's true."

STEWART: All I know is if you squeeze Tucker Carlson's head, mayonnaise comes out. That's all I'm saying. He's white!

KING: Well -- but you're white.

STEWART: I am a Jew.

KING: He's Jewish.

TUCKER: That is my white brother.

STEWART: I am a Jew.

KING: Oh, yes. How did you feel?

STEWART: How -- how did I feel? I was nervous.

KING: Nervous?

STEWART: What if he tripped and everybody's like, "Jews have no balance." You know what I mean? He's representing. He's up there. What if he -- what if he said something like, "Oh, good evening." "Oh, look at the Jew with the cracking voice."

KING: So he was your sort of emissary and you...

STEWART: Yes, this was a very smart and shrewd move by Gore to choose a Jewish vice president. We're easily the most popular group in the country, and we'll sway tons of voters.

KING: You're making...

STEWART: Everyone...

KING: You're making a movie in which you play the first African- American president?

TUCKER: I play the first African-American president in my movie, and it's going to be a lot of fun. I -- when I was young, I always wondered what would I do if I was president, what would -- you know, what -- what type of stuff I'd be faced with, so I decided to make a movie about it. So you can imagine what it's going to be like. It's going to be a lot of fun. So...

KING: Did Clinton help you?

TUCKER: Clinton -- I talked -- he -- yes, I talked to him about a lot of stuff. I met him in the White House -- went to the White House and met him, and he just -- he was real cool, and then I went on Air Force One, went on the motorcade and everything. I had to do research for the movie. So...

KING: And they let you go on Air Force One?

TUCKER: They -- we flew on Air Force One.

STEWART: You can get there. I -- I went there once and told them I was delivering a pizza. They'll let you right in.

TUCKER: You can get right in there. Serious. Serious.

KING: You just walked up there?

TUCKER: I went to -- I went to...


TUCKER: I went to the White House -- I went to the White House with Jesse Jackson. He had a key to the White House. He wanted -- he walked in the White House without shoes on. Jesse Jackson can go to the White House whenever he wants to. He just started calling Bill. He's like, "Bill! Bill! Where are you at, Bill?" I said, "Jesse, this is" -- "Be quiet, boy." He says, "We can" -- we just went straight -- I was surprised. I was surprised, and I... KING: Does this shock you, Tucker?

CARLSON: Actually, it does. I mean, did he really do that?


KING: Tucker!

CARLSON: Well, I don't know. I mean, you just show up at the White House...


STEWART: ... for Bill Clinton.

CARLSON: That's so over the top.

KING: We'll be right back with more of this intellectual discourse. They're taping this at Princeton for a play tomorrow in political sci. We'll be right back. Don't go away.


KING: We're back with our trio of Jeff Greenfield wannabes -- Jon Stewart, Chris Tucker, and Tucker Carlson.

Tucker, what is Al Gore's problem? Why doesn't he communicate well?

CARLSON: It's only an hour show. I -- it -- you know, I don't know. I mean, there -- there are -- really even more than Clinton, people want to psychoanalyze Gore, but I've -- the...

KING: What's your...

CARLSON: The current theory is...


CARLSON: Yes! The current theory is that he's not -- that he's uncomfortable with what he's doing, that maybe he really shouldn't be in politics in the first place.

KING: After all these years of...


KING: ... success in...

CARLSON: I think that. I think that Gore doesn't like politics and that people don't like to vote for people who don't like politics. Like you don't want to watch a baseball game and, you know, see the third baseman fall asleep. You want him to be into it.

KING: Jon?

STEWART: He's needy.

KING: He's what?

STEWART: He's needy. You know what I mean? Like when you're at a party and there's a guy there who doesn't know anybody and he's like kind of needy. And then you're sitting there trying to get a little drink or something and he's coming up to you like, "Hey, do you like baseball?" You know like, "Yes, I like baseball. It's great. Listen, I was ready to go to the bathroom." You know what I mean? He's that guy. He's the needy guy at the party. Clinton is the party. He owns the house. You come in. He's like Hef. "Come in. (UNINTELLIGIBLE) hang out with the girls," you know. Gore is like the foreign exchange student that's staying with the...

KING: Chris?

TUCKER: Larry, I disagree.

KING: You...

TUCKER: I disagree. I like -- I like him. I like Gore.

KING: You like everybody.

TUCKER: Gore look like Superman. Any man look like Superman is a super guy. He's going to do...

KING: He does look like Superman.

TUCKER: Don't he look like -- he need to play up on the Superman thing. He should get -- come out tomorrow night with a cape on. I guarantee you he'll get a standing ovation.

STEWART: You know what's -- you know what's strange about that, though?

TUCKER: You cannot talk about Superman in...

STEWART: He does -- he does wear tights. He wears tights. As far as I know, Gore wears tights. It's a support thing.

KING: Now Tucker's going to -- Tucker believes everything you...

CARLSON: Well, I -- I don't know.

STEWART: How can you -- you look at us like we're crazy, yet you -- you sit with Novak and act like nothing's wrong. You know what I mean?

CARLSON: Well, I don't know. Jesse Jackson calls him...

STEWART: You look at us like we're nuts.

TUCKER: I call them by their -- well, we don't...

CARLSON: You call him Bill. TUCKER: Well, wait a minute. Me and Bill was on Air Force One, you know.

CARLSON: The guy's the president of the United States!


STEWART: ... sitting on Clinton's lap.

TUCKER: He's a friend of mine. He -- he told me -- he said, "Chris, don't call me -- don't call me Bill on"...

STEWART: No, he didn't say that.

TUCKER: He told me...

STEWART: Don't you want to get him in...

CARLSON: It's unbelievable! I mean, you...

TUCKER: I flew Air Force One. Let me tell you we had a good time.

KING: Did he let you fly it?

TUCKER: I didn't want to fly it. He said, "Go head," because he's getting out of office, and he wanted somebody else to fly it because he did it one night, and he said it was a good time. I said," All right. Are you sure?" And I made a mistake and turned the plane the wrong way. We went to Africa. It was crazy, but...

STEWART: You know what the movie is on Air Force One every flight? "Sister Act II." Always.

CARLSON: Really?

STEWART: Clinton's favorite movie.

CARLSON: Yes. Actually, I do believe the...

STEWART: I'm kidding, Tucker! I'm kidding.

CARLSON: That's a Clinton-like movie. I don't know.

TUCKER: We're going to hang out with Tucker after this.

STEWART: How do you feed yourself?

CARLSON: You buy the drinks, and I'll go.

KING: Tucker -- Tucker's next column for the "Standard" will be "Have You Heard About Clinton's Flight to Africa?"

CARLSON: It's unbelievable. I -- this is a great -- a little shoe-leather reporting.

KING: OK. I'm going to take a break now, and when we come back...

TUCKER: We're going to talk to Tucker.

STEWART: We're taking a break.

KING: ... we'll spend some moments with -- some closing thoughts. They're going to anchor our presentation tomorrow night. We'll be right back.


KING: Very underrated downtown Los Angeles. Pretty skyline. The view looks nice at night, and they do a nice job here. Nice metro system.

The city's holding up well, don't you think?

CARLSON: Oh, it's fantastic. Excellent restaurants.

KING: Oh, yes. Great job here.

STEWART: Yes, it's a great place.

KING: Don't be too enthusiastic.

OK. Hollywood and the Democrats. What's -- are they going to marry, or are they going to be split apart because of Lieberman?

CARLSON: It's bad. I -- I actually had -- no, no. Seriously. I -- today, I -- I was -- I was...

KING: What are you laughing about? What...

CARLSON: No. Really.

STEWART: Lieberman's a Jew. What, do you think Hollywood's going to (UNINTELLIGIBLE) Jews? Are you kidding me?

CARLSON: No, but people here are defensive -- very defensive about being criticized, people...

KING: I heard him criticize them tonight.

CARLSON: I was with Marilyn Manson today who's no right winger, and he says, you know, "I would -- one thing that really bothers me is the fact that Lieberman and Gore have both criticized Hollywood." People are irritated.

KING: But as a Republican, do you like it that they criticize Hollywood?

CARLSON: Oh, I don't know. I think it's mostly hot air. I mean, I don't think, you know, movies...

STEWART: It is hot air.


KING: Moving to Bill Bennett, Lieberman...

STEWART: Did you watch the...

CARLSON: Oh, listen, I'm not...

STEWART: When Gore came in on Burbank Airport -- did you -- did you see him when he came into California?

KING: Yes.

STEWART: He got off the plane at Burbank Airport. Who was the first person he hugged? Do you remember?


STEWART: Sean Penn. Go back and look at the tape. He hugs Sean Penn. "The people not the powerful! Sean Penn, how are you? Nice to see you again." What do you mean the people not the powerful? The guy's -- you're hugging Sean Penn. They're going to the Hollywood parties. It's just rhetoric for the people out there, but they're -- they're in with...

KING: Nobody means anything.


TUCKER: He hugged me, too, and he told me he -- he said, "Cut down on the violence, brother," and so -- I think it's cool. I think it's good.

KING: You like every -- is there...

TUCKER: I think we should be responsible for what we do in the movies.

STEWART: Absolutely.

TUCKER: I think so. I think so.

STEWART: Absolutely. I think that's absolutely correct. First- Amendment rights come with a responsibility.

TUCKER: I mean -- exactly.

CARLSON: If you start criticizing it a lot, then you probably ought not to raise all your money here. You know, I mean, if you're going to be beating up on Hollywood and then to come and do $10- million fund raisers...

KING: Was the Hefner thing hypocrisy? The man donates money to them, Chris, and then they pull out of his...

TUCKER: If I was -- if I was running for president and I was Al Gore, I would have been -- wouldn't have went neither. I'd have been -- because -- you know, I think it's -- I don't know what's going -- I never been there, but I wouldn't have went. I -- because I don't like bad press. I want to be president. I want to be president. I'm not -- I'm not...

KING: You've been on Air Force One, but you haven't been to the Playboy mansion.

TUCKER: I haven't been to the Playboy mansion.

KING: Have you been there?

STEWART: I have been to the Playboy mansion.

KING: What did the Democrats miss?

STEWART: You know what they need there, quite honestly? A -- a good steam cleaning of the rug, quite frankly.

CARLSON: Really?

STEWART: Yes, it's like a frat house. With all this money, they never seem to clean the place. You still -- you see like Joe Namath's hair on the floor, and -- that thing hasn't been steamed in 30 years. But I went there -- out to the Playboy mansion, and it was -- it wasn't...

KING: Did you go to a party?

STEWART: ... at a party. No, it wasn't a party. It was a -- Roseanne was doing a show there one day, and I was her guest, and -- but it's a weird -- like it's a weird vibe. It's like this fake Xanadu. Like there's a monkey in a tree, and you look up there, but he's changed. You know what I mean? You're like, "Oh, look at the nice girls, but they're sad." You know what I mean? Like it's -- it's just not right. There's something wrong with it.

KING: Is liberalism dead in this party? Is the...


KING: ... last vestige -- last night, Kennedy -- was that the end of liberalism?

CARLSON: Yes. People look kind of embarrassed of it, you know. I think so. Sure. You have -- I mean, it was just so retro, and I think -- you know, I don't think -- Lieberman, I thought, gave a pretty-conservative-for-a-Democratic-convention speech.

KING: On the other retro side, is Buchanan retro? Is the far right retro?

CARLSON: Buchanan -- I'm not sure. I wouldn't want to tar the far right with Buchanan.

KING: What would you call him?

CARLSON: I don't know. In need of...

STEWART: Iconoclast or something.

CARLSON: Yes. Iconoclast. I don't know.

STEWART: The man is on his own.

KING: What did you think of the Reform Party candidates?

TUCKER: I think -- I like -- I like them.

KING: You like...


KING: Hey, Chris, what did you think of Mussolini?

TUCKER: Mussolini? I never met Mussolini.

KING: But you liked him. You would have liked him.

STEWART: You know what was interesting to me about -- nothing -- no, I'm just kidding. You know what was interesting to me about that -- the old guard that spoke last night, is it really looked like the old timers' day. It was like -- you remember in baseball when they'd bring out like Minnie Minosa at 71 -- you know what I mean -- and see if he could hit one out.

That's what it was like with Kennedy. Like they kind of brought him out -- it didn't even look like Kennedy. It looked like the Kennedy float in the parade. It looked like this big massive Kennedy- type like...

TUCKER: It was the edifice of...

STEWART: ... juggernaut. Yes, a little like a big Zeppelin had floated up to the stage and was -- and all it had left was sort of this Simpsonesque "Vote Quimby" rhetoric that "Yes, my family and I" -- like somebody was just working it from the back, you know. "The dream will not die. Redrum. Redrum. Oh, Quimby."

KING: Did you like Ted Kennedy last night?

TUCKER: Ted Kennedy -- he was -- he was good.

KING: Good.


KING: You went to his house.

STEWART: He does get the endurance award, I should say. I mean...

KING: Well, I must say, after many half-hours in the past week and a half at these conventions, this is the ultimate. STEWART: Oh, gosh.

TUCKER: So we can come back on tomorrow?

STEWART: I thought you were firing us.

KING: How do we -- it's up to Wendy Walker Whitworth, our producer who is...

TUCKER: Wendy! Wendy! It's...

KING: Bring them back.

STEWART: Do you have T-shirts?

KING: What?

STEWART: Do we get T-shirts?

KING: T-shirts? Do we have T-shirts?

TUCKER: This cup is -- we'll drink out of this cup for all time.

KING: Jim Moret and sanity will follow as Jim hosts the news and gets you up to date on everything happening in the world in addition to the doings of the Democratic National Convention.


STEWART: Sorry about that.

KING: Thanks for joining us. I'm Larry King. Good night.

STEWART: I didn't realize. I thought we were off the air. That was my fault.



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