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Maury Povich and Connie Chung Discuss Work and FamilyAired September 11, 2000 - 9:00 p.m. ET
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LARRY KING, HOST: Tonight: Despite a bunch of tabloid split-up tales, they are still together! Connie Chung, co-anchor and correspondent for ABC News' "20/20," and Maury Povich syndicated talk host extraordinaire. They're here for the hour. They will take your calls -- next on LARRY KING LIVE.
Good evening -- I think -- and welcome to another edition of LARRY KING LIVE. We are in New York.
And they are back, the Poviches: Connie Chung, the co-anchor and correspondent of ABC News' "20/20," Maury Povich, the host of syndicated TV show, "Maury," one of the most successful -- which keeps going up, right?
MAURY POVICH, TALK SHOW HOST: Yeah, numbers keep going up.
KING: OK, what do you make of all these stories that keep appearing in the tabloids?
CONNIE CHUNG, ABC NEWS "20/20": Yes, in the tabloids. It's hysterical.
KING: Does it bug you? What's the latest?
CHUNG: Oh, no. The latest -- the first one, recently, was that I was upset with Maury because of the subjects that he was dealing with: teenagers, you know, on his talk show.
KING: Teenagers, rape, incest.
POVICH: No, no.
KING: I'm only kidding.
CHUNG: And that I kicked him out of the bedroom, that he was in the spare room: shocking. And Maury was asked -- and we were asked for reaction. We said: just not true. But they printed it anyway. And then, a few weeks later and they came back said we made up -- no problem,
POVICH: Obviously, that issue sold well. CHUNG: Yes. And now they have come back...
KING: With what?
CHUNG: And said that Maury is henpecked. Asked for reaction: (UNINTELLIGIBLE) He denied it.
KING: What do you -- what do you guys make of it when -- I mean, is it laughable or painful? I want the truth.
POVICH: That stuff is laughable.
POVICH: But you know, if they -- what happens is, they take a flier -- it's like, if they wrote about you -- and it is sold, that issue sold. Then, they got -- they got to find out a way to get you back in the next week, because they want to sell more.
KING: When my baby was in the hospital -- they had a little minor thing they did -- they called -- they make it life urgency, hanging on every breath. But do you get used to it?
KING: I mean, you guys have had it for a long time.
POVICH: It's the territory.
CHUNG: Well, sure. I mean, I...
KING: You just let it go by? I mean...
CHUNG: Yes. Yes.
POVICH: It's part of the -- it's part of...
CHUNG: But what is strange -- what is strange that is when your relatives call and say: Are you all having trouble? No.
POVICH: You're right. They believe it.
POVICH: Your friends and relatives.
POVICH: They said: Do you want to tell me anything? Is anything going on?
KING: But what is the toughest part about a marriage between two public people for you?
POVICH: What is toughest? There has to be...
KING: No tough part?
CHUNG: Nothing. I don't think so. Do you?
POVICH: Not yet. In the next 58 minutes, something might crop up.
KING: Well, I mean, you both do shows of a different type.
KING: You both -- you're both in a media that gives you a great deal of exposure. There are no...
POVICH: Here is what -- here are the give-ups. You give up privacy. You know that going in.
KING: So you can't complain about that?
CHUNG: No, you can't.
POVICH: You shouldn't complain about it. It is very interesting about -- and you should understand this -- it is like when your children. You brought your children on the air. You show pictures of your children on the air. Then, you know, that's...
CHUNG: You've asked for it.
POVICH: That is going to happen. On our side, what we have done, is we never took -- we have never taken Matthew out to a premiere. We never...
KING: I'm going to stop doing that, because there is a danger in that, too.
POVICH: Yeah, there is a danger.
KING: You got to expect it if you...
POVICH: Well, we just -- we want to kind of protect him. We wanted to protect his adoptive -- his birth parents. We didn't want to deal with that. But once you do it, it is fair game. I mean, if we tomorrow, let's say, went to a Disney opening of some movie and paraded Matthew down the red carpet, I mean, it's fair game.
KING: Now, you -- are you very protective of Matthew. Connie, are you...
CHUNG: I know. I didn't even -- see, I wouldn't even talk about it. I would not even say what Maury just said.
KING: What he said. Do you worry about things like...
POVICH: Tell her -- tell him what you did at the airport one day to a photographer
CHUNG: Oh, a photographer, yes. A paparazzi-type photographer followed us to the airport. I mean (UNINTELLIGIBLE) you know. We took off, then he took off. And then we could see him sort of he coming at us when we went to the gate.
KING: When you were with the baby?
CHUNG: Yes. When we went to gate, we saw him coming at us, so...
POVICH: At the airport, yeah.
CHUNG: Yes, at the airport. And so I told Maury: You stay with Matthew. And I started running after him. And he saw me coming and he got scared, and turned around, and high-tailed it the other way. And I ran faster and faster and I got up with him. And I said: Excuse me, you know. I don't want you taking pictures of our son, OK? You know.
And he was just so surprised that I was right there with him, you know. And then he turned around. And he said OK and he left. I think it is unusual, you know. I mean, I didn't -- I didn't hurt anything. I just talked to him.
POVICH: There have been a couple of shots. But I mean, you know, a couple of guys having gotten out where we were eating ice cream one day in Manhattan. And they got a shot of us. But you know....
KING: So -- OK -- all right, now -- now let's move to some things in the news. What do you make of the Federal Trade Commission's report on entertainment violence, ordered by president after Columbine -- Hollywood aggressively marketing? Both candidates on the Democratic side backed it up today. And I believe Mr. Bush also backed it up.
What do you guy -- you are in industry -- Maury.
POVICH: I think it should. I think there is always a concern. I think -- I think -- here is my problem. We should be smart enough in the industry to look at it ourselves, and to do our own house- cleaning. And I just don't like Big Brother government coming in to that. It's just my personal feelings.
CHUNG: Maury deals with it more than I do. I mean, I think that Lieberman's, you know, attempt early on, I think, to -- I think he had actually complained about you.
KING: He mentioned you.
POVICH: He lumped all of us together.
KING: He singled out Springer a lot, but he mentioned...
POVICH: Yeah, but he -- he kind of threw us all -- he put Oprah here and the rest of us there. And...
KING: And were you offended by that?
POVICH: I was offended because viewers know the difference between every single talk show. Believe me, they know the difference. And there are differences. And I just didn't like them lumping us all together, because we are all different. I mean, I -- I mean, I do a show now -- I mean, if you talk about kids and violence, I mean, that is a major theme of my show. I bring kids in who are violent, who are...
KING: You will discuss this report on your show, probably?
POVICH: Oh, sure.
Now, you are in the news business, though.
CHUNG: But -- yes.
KING: Are you a little worried when they start moving in that they will move in a little more? I am.
CHUNG: Well, sure.
KING: News covers violence.
CHUNG: Absolutely. And we have to. We just have to. I think, though, that in magazine work, on the network magazine programs, it depends on what time the program is on. And I think we make conscious decisions regarding that. There was a time when the "20/20" I was anchoring was on at 8:00. And I think we thought about what specific subjects are we dealing with at 8:00 that we cannot -- can deal with at 10:00, but shouldn't at 8:00?
KING: Because a lot of 6:00 news is around the country -- begin with the fire or someone being apprehended or the major...
POVICH: What about Columbine itself? How can you -- how do you...
KING: Yeah, how do you not cover Columbine?
POVICH: How do you not cover that?
CHUNG: We had to. We can't shield children from everything. KING: We'll back with more of Maury Povich and Connie Chung. They're with us for the full hour. We will include your phone calls.
Don't go away.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP, "20/20")
CHUNG: This its part of confession that was read at James Lloyd Jones' trial. "How many times did the shotgun shoot?"
And Jones said: "one time."
"Who was the man that shot the shotgun?"
"A fellow named Avants."
That is you.
ERNEST AVANTS: Well, I didn't hear that -- hear that read. But whatever were read and whatever James Lloyd Jones said, was a bald- faced lie.
CHUNG: Why would he lie? Why would he implicate himself?
AVANTS: I don't know. Why? Why, if this nigger was killed like they said he was -- why wouldn't the buzzard eat him? The buzzard won't eat nothing that dies of rabies or poison.
CHUNG: So let me get this straight: You're saying that because the buzzards didn't get it, Ben Chester White's body, that he had to die of either rabies or poisoning.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Evidently.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
KING: That was some story. That was an old killing, right?
CHUNG: Yes. It was one of the civil rights murders of the 1960s, unsolved for more than 30 years. This man that you just saw, Ernest Avants, had been tried, but acquitted. And more than 30 years later the producer I was working with -- his name is Harry Philips (ph) -- discovered that the murder of this black man, an old farm hand, had occurred on federal land, in a forest that was federal park land. Therefore, even though he'd been a acquitted on state charges, he could still be tried on federal charges
KING: But not on civil rights.
CHUNG: Oh, no, no, not civil rights violation, because the statute of limitations had run out on that: simple federal murder charges.
POVICH: Rather than state murder charges... CHUNG: State murder charges.
KING: You can be charged twice for murder? I didn't...
CHUNG: No, if it's separate.
KING: Federal and state.
CHUNG: Federal and state, you can be.
KING: It's not double jeopardy.
CHUNG: It's not double jeopardy. So he was indeed indicted and arrested.
KING: Was it strange talking to someone like that?
CHUNG: Oh, yes, .
KING: It showed on your face.
POVICH: But you know something, Larry: She's turned into the Klan hunter. She has gone down there...
KING: Like the Nazi hunters -- you hunt Klansmen.
POVICH: That's right. She's down there again. She's back doing more.
KING: Another story.
CHUNG: Yes, another story.
POVICH: Now, ask her which story. See if she gives it up.
CHUNG: I'm not telling.
KING: When are we going to see it?
CHUNG: Maybe in a few months.
KING: OK. Do you get emotionally involved when you cover a story with an obvious racist?
CHUNG: You know, I think after all these years I can't. I just listen to what he says, I follow up, and continue on.
KING: You do you your job?
CHUNG: Yes, exactly.
KING: But it's -- inside.
CHUNG: Oh, my goodness, I mean, it was like walking into a different era.
KING: Do you miss that, Maury, because you did news?
KING: Don't you, when she does that...
POVICH: I do.
KING: ... say, I'd like to go down there?
POVICH: I do. I do miss it. Yes, I do miss it. I mean, it's just -- it's not what I do right now. What I'm proud of is that she is doing such great work. But I'd rather be in her shoes. I would rather...
KING: You would?
CHUNG: You would?
POVICH: Well, yes, if you get a good one.
A good story. I don't want to be schlepping all over the place.
KING: If someone came to you and said, Maury, forget (UNINTELLIGIBLE), come back to news.
POVICH: Come back to news?
KING: Come back to -- go out and do the kind of stuff you used to do and do -- do talk shows that deal with...
POVICH: You know, I think there will come a time for that for me. But right now, I'm having a lot of fun and we're breaking a lot of ground in terms of talk and how we're handling these themes in terms of young people. And I don't -- I'm having a lot of fun with it. I mean, my life is a strange life these days. I mean, I've got all these other things going on.
KING: You've got a show coming on.
POVICH: I've got -- we're producing a show with Dick Wolf.
KING: "Law & Order VII," what is this? Every day he's got a new show.
POVICH: It's the reality version of "Law & Order." It's called "Arrest & Trial." It opens October 2nd around the country on syndication. So stations -- various stations around the country...
KING: And you're not on it, right?
CHUNG: No, he's not the on-air person.
POVICH: I'm just producing it with Dick.
KING: And this is what?
POVICH: And Brian Dennehy is the host.
CHUNG: That's terrific.
KING: I just saw him the other day. He's going back into "Death of a Salesman."
POVICH: I know that. We're working around his schedule.
KING: These are actual, when I see a policeman, it's a cop.
CHUNG: The real thing.
POVICH: It's a real cop, real prosecutors...
POVICH: ... and -- and those really great celebrated cases that we all remember. For instance, the tourists in Miami who were -- the drive-by shooting and things like that. We're doing all those stories. And the real cops and real prosecutors -- because the case is over, so everybody can talk. It's great.
KING: "Arrest & Trial."
POVICH: "Arrest & Trial."
KING: And it's on -- what time of day are they using?
POVICH: Probably 7:00, 7:30, or 11 o'clock at night, 11:30 at night.
KING: Was this your idea?
POVICH: It was kind of mutual. Dick had this in the back of his mind, and the president of my company, Rob Port, who's a really great creative guy, who's also the executive producer on the show, it was his idea, and Dick loved them.
KING: How many markets have taken it?
KING: So you are in 95 percent of the country?
KING: Whatever happened to "The Chung-Maury Show"?
CHUNG: Oh, yes.
KING: You had a big press conference...
KING: ... and I went to that. I had a bagel at that.
POVICH: Yes, that's right.
KING: That was a good morning. People were so happy.
POVICH: They were happy.
CHUNG: But I think it's good.
KING: You were going to do a show together.
CHUNG: Together, yes.
KING: A talk show.
CHUNG: Yes. Because I think it's good, because he would have monopolized it, you know.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: As you can tell so far.
CHUNG: He talks too much. I can never get a word in edgewise.
POVICH: No, I think what happened was...
CHUNG: It's not easy to be married to a talk-show host. See?
POVICH: What happened...
CHUNG: He's talking.
POVICH: What happened was...
CHUNG: Yadda, yadda, yadda.
POVICH: It's true.
KING: What happened?
POVICH: What happened was that the stations around the country at 7:00 or 7:30 at night did not want another -- they did not want "Nightline" at that hour.
KING: And you were pitching it for that hour?
POVICH: That hour, because that's the only way you could make enough money, and what the stations wanted was entertainment. They wanted "Entertainment Tonight," or they wanted "Wheel of Fortune" or "Jeopardy" or something like that. They did not want to extend all -- another half hour of news.
KING: But they take "Arrest & Trial"?
POVICH: That's more of a dramatic show. It's kind of a dramatic show. It's like "Law & Order."
KING: Because you two would have been great together. I mean, let's be honest.
CHUNG: You're too nice.
KING: We'll be right back with Connie Chung and Maury Povich. We'll be including your phone calls. Lots more to go. Don't go away.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP, "20/20")
CHUNG: Last fall, in response to our original broadcast, the FBI opened a new investigation. And last week, armed FBI agents entered a trailer home in Bogue Chitto, Mississippi. They arrested 69-year-old Ernest Henry Avants for the murder of Ben Chester White 34 years ago.
CHUNG (on camera): Mr. Avants -- Mr. Avants...
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I'm going her brains (UNINTELLIGIBLE). Get out of here. (UNINTELLIGIBLE)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (UNINTELLIGIBLE)
(END VIDEO CLIP)
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP, "MAURY")
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I have a condition, and it's called alopecia. I don't have any hair.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: All right. No hair? I can deal with that.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You can deal with that?
POVICH: You can deal with that? Did you think this was her hair?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I didn't know any different.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Can I show you, baby?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Oh, my god.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
KING: Some might say, "Are you helping or pandering?" I mean, you know that obviously there's a shock value when she takes that off.
POVICH: Absolutely, but the show was kind of a secrets revealed show. This was her boyfriend, her new boyfriend. She called us. She wanted to -- she didn't have the guts to tell him, and they've been going together and have been, you know, intimate.
POVICH: Yes, and intimate with each other. And I asked her, I said, "How does that happen if you're" -- I just keep it on. I keep the wig on. It just stays there.
KING: How do you explain why they want to do it on "Maury," but not in their living room?
POVICH: I ask them all the time. I think what they think is that because I'm there, and there is an audience there that might be sympathetic, it's easier for them to get a support, a feeling of support if they do it in front of millions of people. I don't know, but that's what they think.
KING: Is 15 minutes of fame part of it, too?
KING: No, you don't think so?
POVICH: No, not in that case.
KING: What do you think, Connie?
CHUNG: No, I was thinking the same thing you were, the 15 minutes of fame.
POVICH: Oh, no. This young girl, she's terrific, and the guy was marvelous. I mean, they are just...
KING: And they feel helped by it when it's over?
POVICH: She did.
KING: I mean, did...
POVICH: She felt -- yes, yes.
CHUNG: Well, you're the one who met them, so...
POVICH: Oh, no. They're marvelous kids.
KING: And you handled it well. Would you have been comfortable doing it? CHUNG: Oh, sure, but I think Maury...
POVICH: You would have?
CHUNG: Yes. But I think Maury really handles it well. He really does. He gets the full range of individuals who are telling something, you know, revealing something, and he's just...
KING: What's the concept of "The Maury Show"? If you were doing -- someone had never seen any of the daytime -- seen the other daytime shows, hadn't seen yours.
KING: All right, they've seen all the others.
POVICH: I think we...
KING: We are different by...
POVICH: We do -- first of all, we concentrate on a lot of themes involving young people, and there is a lot of conflict in that. There could be kids who have no respect at all for their parents. There are parents who have no respect for kids, there are kids who have a problem with other kids in terms of they want to dress sexy or stuff like that. We -- and so what we do is...
CHUNG: Love makeovers.
POVICH: You like makeovers?
POVICH: OK. Anyway, so we bring them on...
KING: So the show does makeovers, right? That's a standard...
POVICH: Yes, but not -- but we do -- we do a makeover show where the 14-year-old daughter is walking around showing cleavage and walking around trying to wear almost a bikini to school and stuff like that.
KING: And you get her out of that?
POVICH: We try, yes. We try to do that. And the same thing is with the kids and their parents, and we use a variety of methods. Either it's boot camp -- yes, we send them to boot camp. And guess what: Now, that we have been successful with boot camp, the beginning of this new year on television talk, all the other shows are doing boot camp with me.
And when we -- we might send them to the morgue, we might send them to a judge, we might send them to the mean streets of New York to see what -- we send them to jail to see what direction that could lead to. And it's kind of a scared straight mentality.
Is it 100 percent successful? No. Is it 60 percent? I don't know, maybe. If it was 10 percent, I'd still do it.
KING: So you feel I'm doing a valuable thing here, I'm not just...
POVICH: I think the show -- I think the show is showing a lot to kids. I get a lot of parents who come to me and say: My kids watch your show and I tell them, if they don't straighten up, they're going to send them to boot camp. Maury is going send them to boot camp
KING: Do you watch the show?
CHUNG: Yes, yes. And usually, I mean, he gets -- he gets me crying. I'm telling you.
KING: Oh, he's sympathetic Maury. He's...
CHUNG: Oh, I mean, and then he does reunions and then, you know...
KING: You care? I mean, year care, right?
POVICH: I do.
KING: If you're faking it, you're great.
POVICH: No, no, no. I can't. No, I do. I get very -- I get very emotional over this. I want everything to work out. I see, especially with young people -- I don't know, Larry; maybe I just take this old attitude. I think there's a good kid underneath everybody. I really do.
KING: Connie Chung did an interview with Bobby Knight once. We'll ask about it, after this.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP, "MAURY")
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: ... hip circles around and around. Does he look good doing this?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Does anyone want to see his belly as well?
POVICH: I've got no abs. No, I have no abs. I've got no abs, baby.
(APPLAUSE) (END VIDEO CLIP)
KING: This is funny. Connie Chung interviewed Bobby Knight once on the subject of stress management. I guess it failed.
What was that about?
CHUNG: Well, it was an hour on stress. So we thought, oh, let's interview Bobby Knight to see how he handles it. And this was after he had done the chair throwing incident right across the court.
And so I asked him, how do...
KING: How do you manage...
CHUNG: Yes. How he manages stress. And he answered -- it was a taped interview; it wasn't live. He said: "It's like rape. Just lay back and ..."
KING: Is that on your show where he said that?
KING: Lay back and enjoy it.
CHUNG: He didn't say enjoy it. He said something else.
POVICH: Let it happen.
KING: Let it happen.
CHUNG: He said lay back and then da-da-da-da.
KING: OK. He didn't say enjoy.
CHUNG: Yes. And when we sat -- when we were sitting there doing the interview, he kind of -- it went right by him. But then a little later, he said, you know, you aren't going to use that, are you? I said, well, you know, you said it on tape, I'll talk to my executive producer and we'll see. He was like, "Couldn't you promise?"
I think he had been accustomed to the media protecting him, really, all those years, you know. And as it turned out, we did air it and he was furious. Absolutely furious.
POVICH: And there were some demonstrations at the university.
KING: I remember that story. He didn't say enjoy it.
POVICH: What do you think? What do you think of this? KING: I guess you run the course, don't you? Don't you? I mean, you follow...
POVICH: Yes, I'm a little upset that it was this incident.
CHUNG: No, but it wasn't. They said there were other things.
POVICH: I understand that. The fact that he -- he apparently had been not saying nice things about the administration at Indiana and he (UNINTELLIGIBLE) back from a fishing trip.
KING: Can you be a great coach and a poor manager of people?
CHUNG: I think it was more than just being a poor manager of people.
KING: I mean, every coach tells you how great he is. If you talk to other coaches...
POVICH: Well, you talk -- I mean, I want to tell you I know Bill Parcells slightly, not well. But that's a pretty tough coach. He really lays into his players in an effort -- I mean, it's a psychological edge he tries to get, an effort to get the most out of them. He's very tough with them at times.
CHUNG: But if you go through the history of Bobby Knight, it was going over the edge. It wasn't just being a poor manager of individuals. And also, the difference is that, you know, Bill Parcells was in the pros. I mean, when he was -- are you also talking about any college...
KING: No, these are college kids. No, Parcells never coached college.
CHUNG: Yes, exactly. These are college kids. (UNINTELLIGIBLE) different.
POVICH: Well, he did at West Point, he was an assistant. I don't know whether it was like that or not.
But it's very interesting. I admire Bobby Knight's brand of basketball, the fact that everybody touches the ball...
POVICH: I mean it's kind of a throwback...
KING: It's a team game.
POVICH: It was kind of a throwback to when I was playing, when I was a kid in high school. I mean, I like that. It was like the old Knicks, you know, in the late '60s and early '70s.
CHUNG: But you're not defending what he does in terms of his behavior...
POVICH: No, I'm just saying it's a shame -- for me, it's a shame that we lose that brand of basketball if he stays out of the game
KING: You pick your own stories, Connie?
KING: You do?
KING: And do you have to sell them to someone or do you go out...
CHUNG: Yes, more or less.
KING: In other words, you have to go to an executive producer and...
POVICH: You don't have to sell them. Come on, Connie.
CHUNG: No, I said I do.
CHUNG: Trying to be the truth squad. Yes.
KING: You two are very interesting. This is really a study...
POVICH: Not only does she have to sell them to somebody. She has to -- she has to make sure that Walters and Sawyer don't try to do the same story.
CHUNG: He's making trouble, too. Not only does he pretend like he's being the truth squad, but you know, he throws up the trouble...
KING: How much of that goes on at ABC?
KING: Feminine, inner competition?
CHUNG: Sexist. Sexist.
CHUNG: You're saying feminine competition. The competition is great among every individual who is on the air. So you know, not just women.
KING: When Peter Jennings is here Thursday, I'll ask if he hates Ted Koppel, right?
CHUNG: Yes. KING: OK. I mean, you want to get even.
POVICH: I would like to hear that answered.
KING: We'll -- we'll take a break, come back, go to your phone calls, and we'll ask Connie Chung about -- and this is on a tip from Maury -- David Letterman.
Don't go away.
KING: We will be including your phone calls. Our guests are Connie Chung and Maury Povich. It's mister and misses week.
Tomorrow night, Judge Judy and Judge Jerry.
CHUNG: This happened before.
KING: Yes, that's right.
CHUNG: Yes, it happened before.
KING: That's right. You two were on same week as they were on, Judge Judy and Judge -- also the same case where the woman dominates.
CHUNG: Oh, no, no, no, no.
KING: No? Little joke, Maury.
POVICH: I rest my life.
KING: Maury Povich tipped us to something. Ask Connie about Letterman. You hadn't been on for five and a half years.
KING: You went back. There was a feud?
CHUNG: Well, I was, you know, upset with him.
KING: About what?
CHUNG: And I'm Not telling.
POVICH: She didn't tell him.
CHUNG: No, I'm not telling. But Maury said, you know, you really ought to make up. I mean, he had, you know, the heart problem and everything. And so it was all because of Maury that I went back on the program.
KING: So, what, you called up said, I forgive you?
CHUNG: No, no, no, they happened to call and say, will you come on? And I said, OK.
POVICH: And Dave -- I mean, I don't know him really. Quite frankly, he doesn't like me, but -- because I think he's had a thing for her all these years. Because Connie, Connie used to bail him out. When he was back at NBC on the later show, on the "Late Night" show and guests would cancel at the last minute, they'd frantically call up Connie, and Connie would run down and she would fill in or they would do some skits or something like that. And it was a great time.
And now, because I'm this old and I'm beginning to have Alzheimer's, and I can't remember -- oh, so this is what happened.
Don't tell -- what are you doing.
KING: What happened?
CHUNG: Don't tell.
POVICH: No, what happened was I'm watching Letterman when she's on after five and a half years, and I can see it in his face. He's saying to himself, how did I get this -- how can I have missed -- why hasn't she been here? What have I missed?
KING: You mean he doesn't know why you don't...
POVICH: She wouldn't tell him. I told her to tell him, and she won't tell him.
KING: Wait a minute, wait a minute. Hold it.
CHUNG: I think he knows.
KING: How do you help someone if you're angry at them and don't tell them why you're angry and why you won't go on, how can you resolve it?
CHUNG: I think he knows. He knows, he just won't...
POVICH: I don't think he knows.
CHUNG: I think he knows.
POVICH: He thinks it's because the Rather thing and the things at CBS.
CHUNG: I don't know
KING: All right, let me ask you this. I've got to, I'm an interviewer.
KING: Was it something he said? CHUNG: Yes. What's my line?
KING: When you were there or not there?
CHUNG: Not there.
POVICH: Not there.
KING: Did he do a joke about you?
CHUNG: Don't -- getting too close.
KING: No, because if that's true...
KING: ... shouldn't you say, Letterman would do jokes about himself. Letterman does jokes about everyone...
CHUNG: Yes -- oh, no.
KING: ... so don't take it personally.
POVICH: He did this several times. This was a subject that he talked about a lot.
CHUNG: No, we're getting too close. Actually, his people...
KING: Why are you...
CHUNG: Some of his staff members would say, was it this? And I'd say, I forgot about that. Yes, that, too. And then they'd say, was it this?
KING: Was it tough to go back?
CHUNG: No, no. It was a lot of fun.
KING: Did you think about it while you were on?
KING: Did you think about it while you were on with him?
CHUNG: Think about what?
KING: What he had said previously to cause you not to go on.
POVICH: How close were you to coming to telling him on the air?
KING: You still think he has a thing for her?
POVICH: Oh, yes, no question. Hates me...
KING: Because he...
POVICH: ... I've never been on his show.
POVICH: He would never have me on his show. He would never have me on his show, ever.
KING: Did you feel that he liked you?
KING: In the way that Maury said?
CHUNG: What, yes, yes.
KING: Come on, you want to be in the "Enquirer" next week, guaranteed.
POVICH: That's right. They're going to make up another headline.
KING: Monterey, California -- hello.
CALLER: ... you co-anchored with Dan Rather at one point...
CALLER: ... and that didn't work out.
CALLER: Do you still have ambitions to be a network anchor, and if so, whose spot you would like to take?
CHUNG: Oh, my gosh.
KING: I didn't hear the end of the end of the question. They interrupted.
CHUNG: Did my mother put you up to this? I don't -- I don't know. I just -- I don't -- well, I don't think anybody's going to ask me anyway, so I don't think I should have aspirations.
KING: Bennington, Vermont -- hello.
CALLER: Hello, my question is for both guests.
KING: Go ahead.
CALLER: Of all the stories you have done, of which one are you the most proud?
KING: Maury, you've got a long career there because you did a lot of news.
POVICH: Well, I get...
KING: Any stories you covered back in the Washington days, at "A Current Affair"?
POVICH: I tell you, there was a lot of stuff during Watergate and a lot during the anti-Vietnam War days.
KING: You were on in Washington every night.
POVICH: In Washington at the time. And we filled -- I think the most exciting daily stuff, and it's probably because it was something that you go through now, there was no CNN, there was no 24-hour-a-day news outlet. And during the Senate Watergate hearings and the impeachment hearings, we would come on at noon during the lunch break and get all the congressmen during...
KING: Oh, yes.
POVICH: during the morning...
KING: Members of the committee.
POVICH: Members of the committees, and they would come on the show, and they would talk about what went on. And it what was like...
POVICH: ... an early CNN type of atmosphere.
KING: Now that would be happening all day.
POVICH: Right. And so there were a lot of headlines that were made on the show. And that was very, very big stuff for me.
CHUNG: I think the story that we -- that you just showed. I think...
KING: The race story.
CHUNG: Yes, Mm-hmm, only because it had such extraordinary impact. In other words, it was journalism at its best.
POVICH: What about the breast implants? What about that story?
CHUNG: Yes, that had impact.
POVICH: She broke the breast -- the silicon story.
KING: The Dow...
CHUNG: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
KING: You broke that story?
CHUNG: But I think -- I think just this recent one. I mean, there were many, Watergate as well, but this one had great impact.
KING: Charleston, South Carolina -- hello.
CALLER: Hello. Connie, because I admire so you much, my question is for you. I would love to know how you have been able to stay so focused in your career. What is the secret to your success?
CHUNG: Oh, aren't you nice.
KING: Well, it's a very good observation. You are a very focused person.
CHUNG: I am. But I think it's because I'm...
POVICH: I think it's the way -- it's the support her husband gives her.
CHUNG: Yes, that's right.
KING: Look how much better your career has been since him.
CHUNG: I want to answer her question, though. I think it's because I'm continuously striving for success. I don't think I've reached any point at which I can declare success. Therefore, I'm constantly trying to improve, to better interview, to write better, just do a better report.
KING: You like writing?
CHUNG: No, it's very painful for me. I mean, I have to try so hard to make it dance and sing. So I think to answer her question, it's not to -- it's not to be able to say, all right, this is where -- when I can coast. I Just continue plugging away.
KING: So you've never coasted?
CHUNG: No, no, no. I'm still trying.
POVICH: But for two and a half years you stayed at home raising our son.
CHUNG: That was good.
POVICH: But that wasn't coasting.
CHUNG: Oh, yes, it was. But I wasn't working.
KING: What was it like not to work?
POVICH: That was working, you were raising our son. That was work.
CHUNG: Yes, but I...
KING: Not outside work.
CHUNG: Yes. I found it very difficult. It -- I just about drove Maury crazy, because I was home all the time. I was there when he got home, and I think finally after two and a half years...
KING: Did you miss the action?
CHUNG: Yes, I think I did. I loved bringing up Matthew, but I also missed working.
KING: Back with more of Connie Chung and Maury Povich on this edition of "LARRY KING LIVE."
Don't go away.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP, "20/20" )
CHUNG: Incidents of acid throwing are escalating at an alarming rate in Bangladesh.
Although no one knows the exact number, it's estimated that three to five women are attacked every week. Some of the victims die. Many lose their sight or hearing. All the survivors are maimed for life.
(on camera): Many acid attacks occur in small villages and towns like this one, just an hour outside of Daka (ph). The victims are usually teenage girls from very poor families, girls who spurn a young man's advances. These young men then retaliate by throwing acid in their faces. As they would put it, if I can't have her, no one will.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
KING: What's that like to cover?
CHUNG: God, it was -- I mean, I had never been to Bangladesh before, never seen poverty like that. But on top of that, this is a phenomenon that's occurred -- that occurs in Bangladesh very -- quite frequently, and that is that when women spurn men, the men will throw acid in their faces and just destroy their faces.
POVICH: The women say no... CHUNG: Yes.
POVICH: ... they throw acid in their faces.
CHUNG: It's just an extraordinary...
KING: This is cultural?
CHUNG: Well, not necessarily peculiar to just Bangladesh. There are several other countries in which this occurs.
KING: And you saw a lot of these women?
CHUNG: Oh, yes. I mean, it's just extraordinary.
POVICH: And you brought one over here, right?
POVICH: One that -- she had -- she was a leader. They had organized a group...
CHUNG: ... and this One particular young women, her name was Vena (ph), she had this great personality, you know, spirit, drive, and she was leading the fight against these men and what they do. And she took off her veil, you know, she would stand up in front of crowds to give speeches.
KING: You must be very proud when she goes out and does something like this.
POVICH: Oh, wow, yes. I kind of glow. I just love it.
KING: You should. And you get an obvious sense of accomplishment.
KING: Bartelsville, Oklahoma -- hello.
CALLER: Hello, Larry.
CALLER: Thank you for taking my call.
CALLER: Maury, I don't watch your daytime show anymore, but I loved "21." What happened to it?
POVICH: Well, I guess NBC ran out of money. I mean, I just -- they made a decision not to renew it. And everybody I run into, thank you very much, seemed to love it. And the ratings were pretty good. I mean, they weren't bad.
KING: You had competition and it was strategy.
POVICH: Yes, and it was -- but I think they -- I think NBC they went through some tough times this past year, because they've got "Millionaire" against them and they've got "Survivor" against them, and they haven't been able to kind of fight this...
CHUNG: "The West Wing" did very well last night, yes.
KING: This (OFF-MIKE)
KING: "The West Wing" and "Law and Order," right?
POVICH: That's it.
CHUNG: That's right.
KING: "Arrest and Trial" debuts October 2nd.
POVICH: October 2nd.
KING: How do you like -- you're exec producer, right?
POVICH: My -- the president of my company, Rob Porter (ph) is executive producer. I don't want to be -- I pay the money, I pay the checks, I sign...
KING: Well you must have a title, you're...
CHUNG: It's his production company.
KING: It's your company.
POVICH: I'm the president of my company.
KING: What's it like to present something -- is this the first time you've presented something...
POVICH: This is the first...
KING: ... without you?
KING: What's it like?
POVICH: I love it. I love it. I don't need this makeup stuff and -- god, I love it.
KING: How do you like dealing with talent?
POVICH: Well, I'll let Mr. Wolf deal with Brian Dennehy, because he's a pro... KING: All right, you don't have to deal with them.
POVICH: ... and so is Mr. Wolf, a pro.
KING: Have you ever produced things you weren't on?
CHUNG: No. no.
KING: Salt Lake City, Utah -- hello.
CALLER: Hey, Larry, we love you here in Utah.
KING: That's my third home.
CALLER: Hey, Maury, I've just got a question for you...
CALLER: ... as to what advantage you see in being an older parent?
POVICH: Wow. That's a very good question.
I'll tell you, one of the things that's good about it is believe it or not, even with all my activities, I have more time this time around. And I want to thank my daughters, Susan and Amy, for not getting very upset with me, because it's obvious when you were young and a parent you were so concerned and focused on your job and your career, it was at their expense. And fortunately, they've held -- not held that against me and have been terrific. And they're parents in their own right, and I love the way they're raising their children.
And I think more than anything else, that is the biggest difference. There are some disadvantages, however. Creaky knees doesn't help. I mean, like my -- Matthew, our 5-year-old, tonight when we were coming to the studio, to give me a kiss he wanted to jump up. And I'm worried about my back because I play a lot of golf, and I'm worried about whether he's going to -- so that was a little tentative.
KING: Carrying my little boy out to the -- Maury and I sat together on a plane flight from here to L.A. once talking about aging parents.
POVICH: I know it.
KING: It must have sounded funny to the people around.
So when I walk into the room and the back hurts.
CHUNG: Happens to me, too. I mean, I'm old. So...
KING: Come on.
CHUNG: I am.
KING: You've had two biological children. Any difference?
POVICH: You know, none. And, I mean, I say that with great love and affection for all my children. I don't see a lick of difference, nothing. The only the only thing I wonder about Matthew is what's he going to look like? I mean, we don't know what he's going to look like when he gets older. He's not going to look like us.
KING: You know his health records, though, right?
KING: You know the health records?
CHUNG: Yes, we know about that.
POVICH: Oh, sure, we know all of that.
CHUNG: I think he's going to look exactly the way he does now.
POVICH: Yes, but, I mean...
POVICH: But he -- you know, it's...
KING: But once he comes home, he's your baby, right?
CHUNG: Oh, yes.
KING: It's as if you carried him.
KING: There's no...
KING: It took her 30 seconds to bond...
CHUNG: Exactly. We...
POVICH: Thirty seconds.
CHUNG: We -- yes, Matthew was in our arms less than -- when he was less than a day old. So you know he was right there.
POVICH: And she -- you told me that the reasons why you would -- you weren't ready to adopt is because you didn't know whether you could bond that quickly.
CHUNG: No, I didn't say that.
POVICH: You know something...
CHUNG: He gets these things, and he...
POVICH: I'll talk to you tomorrow.
KING: What did you say?
CHUNG: I think -- I think I just couldn't embrace the idea immediately, just, you know.
POVICH: I said the same thing.
KING: Sounds like we're doing some talk show.
CHUNG: What did you say again?
KING: Couldn't bond. Back off it Maury. It ain't going to work.
We'll be back with more on this edition of LARRY KING LIVE.
Don't go away.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP, "MAURY")
POVICH: Now you got me all confused. This is Ronnie and this is Lonnie. Is that right?
UNIDENTIFIED CHILD: Yes.
POVICH: No, this is Lonnie and this Ronnie.
UNIDENTIFIED CHILD: Yes.
POVICH: No, this is Ronnie and this is Lonnie.
UNIDENTIFIED CHILD: No.
POVICH: No? Who are you?
UNIDENTIFIED CHILD: Ronnie.
POVICH: Then who are you?
UNIDENTIFIED CHILD: Lonnie.
POVICH: What kind of a mom and dad are you looking for?
UNIDENTIFIED CHILD: For a grandma and a mommy and daddy.
POVICH: For a grandma and a mommy and daddy, I like that.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
KING: We're back with Connie Chung and Maury Povich, and we go to Middletown, Pennsylvania -- hello. CALLER: Hello, I'm from Middletown, Pennsylvania. We love watching you there.
POVICH: Thank you.
CHUNG: Thank you.
CALLER: And I have a question for Connie.
CALLER: Connie, several years ago you had done an interview with Newt Gingrich's mother. It's in this interview...
CALLER: ... I'm wondering, the comment that she made kind of off camera, if you felt that had affected your career...
CHUNG: She didn't do it off...
CALLER: ... as the years have gone on.
KING: What was that?
CHUNG: Yes, You know what? She didn't do it off camera. She was right on camera. The lights were on, her microphone was on...
KING: What happened?
CHUNG: ... and I asked Mrs. Gingrich -- that's the one you're talking about, right?
KING: Yes, it is.
CHUNG: I asked her if her son had told her anything about President Clinton. And she said, no, but she -- he has said something about Mrs. Clinton. And I said, what did she say? And then I said, why don't you whisper to it me just between you and me. And because she had been whispering other things to me earlier, it was kind of like she was the -- did you see "Brighton Beach Memoirs," in which the...
CHUNG: ... in which the mother wouldn't say things that were a little bit...
KING: Off color.
CHUNG: ... off -- yes, off color, with a full voice. She'd say, he's dying of cancer, or they're getting a divorce. So Mrs. Gingrich was doing that with me earlier. She was saying, da da da da da, and she'd whisper something. So I said, why don't you do that again, you know, whisper to it me, just between you and me. And that's when she said about Mrs. Clinton. KING: Rhymes with witch.
CHUNG: Yes -- no -- yes, rhymes with witch. She said, he said she'd say rhymes with witch. And...
KING: Did you get criticized for that?
POVICH: Oh, yes.
KING: Because you said whisper it to me.
POVICH: Between you and me.
CHUNG: Yes, uh-huh.
KING: Oh, between...
POVICH: Just between you and me.
CHUNG: but it was clearly on camera, and that's -- that's what they wanted...
POVICH: But you know who her great defender was? Cronkite comes out and says, are you kidding? Lights, microphones, she didn't know things were happening there? What, are you kidding me? Connie asked the right question, she got crucified. She should have never had to endure that criticism.
CHUNG: The mistake I think that was made was I think CBS put out an excerpt out of context, and it should have been seen in context. And then anybody who saw it in context realized there was nothing wrong with it.
KING: Are you excited about the election, Maury?
POVICH: Yes, I am.
KING: Going to be close, do you think?
POVICH: I think so.
CHUNG: Oh, yeah. It's going to be very close. I mean, I think.
POVICH: I'm excited, because -- and you should -- I mean, don't you get excited when you know these people...
KING: Yeah, sure.
POVICH: ... even though just a little bit. I mean, I...
KING: Sure, there's nothing like it.
POVICH: ... these guys, and -- I know these guys.
KING: What's your role on election night? Are you going to have a role?
CHUNG: I don't think so. I think we're -- you know, most of the magazine people don't get involved in the election night. So that is a shame.
KING: Remember when everybody was involved in election night?
POVICH: Yeah, they took everybody on.
KING: Everybody was on. I'm doing something.
POVICH: Remember, Wallace would do it. And Bradley would do it. And Reasoner would do it.
KING: And a roundtable would
CHUNG: I think they still do.
CHUNG: I think Ed.
POVICH: Ed does. Ed Bradley does.
CHUNG: Ed does. Yes.
POVICH: He's the only one.
KING: You'd have the congressional desk, the State House.
POVICH: But I don't think -- I don't think Leslie is doing it.
CHUNG: I don't know.
KING: No, because -- well, CNNs do it. I guess they figured, if the CNNs do it, they don't have to...
POVICH: You guys run everything now.
KING: We are it!
Don't forget, by the way, that October 2, we are all looking forward to "Arrest and Trial." I'm really excited about it, see, because you told me all about it on the airplane.
KING: And I got really excited, because Dick Wolf is a genius.
POVICH: ... great. He has got so many programs. He has got more programs on television than anybody.
KING: Who's left? He's arresting the world.
POVICH: I know.
KING: Juvenile arrests.
We will be back with our remaining moments with Chung and Povich -- sounds like a law firm. His brother is a lawyer.
Don't go away.
KING: Our guests are Connie Chug and Maury Povich. What a great story this is, their continuing -- all right. What -- by the way, the new "Maury" show enters its third year.
POVICH: Third season -- October 2, after the Olympics, the way all good shows start, after the Olympics.
KING: Everything is happening to you October 2.
POVICH: I know.
KING: "Arrest and Trial."
POVICH: I know.
KING: The "Maury" show. And how long...
CHUNG: And also, he qualified for the Senior Amateur. When does that happen?
POVICH: Oh, the golf.
KING: You are on Senior Amateur tour?
POVICH: The United States Senior Amateur, which is like the United States Senior Open and United States Open -- and one of their big tournaments, the United States Senior Amateur. And I qualified a few weeks ago. I'm playing in that September 23 in Charlotte, North Carolina -- very nervous, very nervous.
KING: You have golfed with Governor Bush, haven't you? POVICH: I sure have
KING: Tiger Woods.
POVICH: Yes I have. And by the way, Tiger is better than George. But George isn't bad. In fact...
CHUNG: You're talking about W.
POVICH: And I'll tell you...
POVICH: And George is very good. He is fast -- he's a fast golfer, like his father, which I like, because he plays fast. And I will tell you what's the best part about him. He's an honest golfer.
KING: Ah, there aren't many of them.
KING: Tiger, he's changed the whole...
POVICH: Tiger is...
KING: We did an hour with him. He's incredible.
KING: ... way beyond his years.
POVICH: Isn't he something? He is -- I've played with just when turning pro. He was playing in open at Shinnecock. And I played with him again at a practice round at the AT&T. And he has matured so much. He is the driving force in that entire game. He's as big now as Michael was in basketball.
KING: Yeah, he sure is.
Did you ever have a heroine or a -- did you -- someone you wanted to be like?
CHUNG: Hmm. That is a -- yeah -- I...
KING: You watched as a kid?
CHUNG: I would have to say uncle Walter was my hero.
KING: Uncle Walter.
POVICH: She always wanted to -- she always to sit in that seat.
KING: Even when you were a little girl.
CHUNG: Yes, yes, absolutely.
POVICH: She always wanted to sit in that seat. So when she got it, as the co-anchor...
CHUNG: Didn't last long.
KING: How old were you when you knew you wanted to be in broadcasting?
CHUNG: Oh, not until college, yeah.
CHUNG: Yes, I was majoring in biology at first -- thought I was going to work in a lab all my life.
KING: What a waste that would have been.
When did you want to be a broadcaster?
POVICH: When I found out I couldn't hit a curveball.
KING: You were a ballplayer?
POVICH: I was a baseball player in high school -- and a football player and basketball player. And I used to hang around the old Washington Senators. I was the bat boy there. And when I got to be about 15 or 16 and realized that I could not hit a big-time curveball, Bob Wolf (ph), then the voice of the Washington Senators -- had a job as a gopher. And as a kid, I started working for him.
And as my father would say, I had big-shot-itis. I was a gopher. And he asked me the first day, he says: So what is your title? I said: associate producer.
KING: By the way, for those of you who don't know, Maury Povich's late father was one of the great sportswriters who ever lived. It was an honor to know him: Shirley Povich. One of the thrills of my life was the night I inducted him into the B'nai B'rith Sports Hall of Fame.
KING: And I was the master of ceremonies.
POVICH: Yes, he loved that.
KING; It was a wonderful night. He was, to the end...
POVICH: Yeah, I know. KING: He never lost...
POVICH: Wrote the day before he died, at 92.
KING: He never lost -- 92 -- he never lost a thing.
You loved him.
CHUNG: Oh, yes, wonderful.
KING: Your father-in-law.
KING: Was a giant.
CHUNG: He was.
POVICH: And he loved her.
CHUNG: And he was -- yes.
KING: OK, now, does Maury get to sleep in bed with you tonight or...
CHUNG: We'll have to read the "Globe" to find out.
KING: You go to the -- check with the globe this week.
POVICH: How did they know we have a spare room?
CHUNG: Yeah, how do they know? Did you tell them?
KING: No, I didn't tell them.
And by the way, you apart a lot, when you go out on stories. Are you two...
CHUNG: Yeah. Uh huh. Uh huh.
POVICH: She is way more now than I am. If I'm away, I'm playing golf. If I'm going to go away, I play golf. If she goes away, she is working. That's way we -- our lives have changed.
KING: Does it make you happy when you're together, when you -- does it compensate?
CHUNG: Yeah. I'd say so.
KING: No, it's good -- if you are constantly together. Look at this. I get the feeling we are going to have Al and Tipper here in a minute.
KING: No, you wouldn't. You wouldn't. POVICH: You think that was scripted?
KING: I don't -- you know, I can't read into minds. What do you think? What do you think?
POVICH: Are we that cynical to think...
KING: We are, aren't we?
POVICH: I want to think it wasn't.
CHUNG: I didn't think that.
KING: I didn't think it. I -- because -- they -- they are crazy about each other, you know. They are.
POVICH: Oh sure. Absolutely.
KING: And I thought it was pretty good -- worked out pretty well, didn't it?
POVICH: Sure did. Timing was good.
KING: Want to kiss good night? Never. Go ahead.
POVICH: Who, her?
KING: You two.
CHUNG: Oh, you can kiss me right here.
CHUNG: What do you
KING: Oh, come on, Povich.
CHUNG: Kiss me right there.
KING: See you tomorrow night with Judge Judy and Judge Jerry.
I'm Larry King.
Stay tuned for CNN "NEWSSTAND." Good night.
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