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Larry King Live
Inauguration Eve: Washington Welcomes the BushesAired January 19, 2001 - 9:00 p.m. ET
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LARRY KING, HOST: Tonight: inauguration eve. And Republicans Party hearty. We'll have a special conversation with Vice President- elect Dick Cheney and his wife, Lynne. And then, from the red hot Black Tie & Boots Ball: Bo Derek. Plus: Julie and David Eisenhower. They met at a presidential swearing-in. Wayne Newton: He sang up a storm at the kickoff for this 54th inauguration. And the kid who said that he wouldn't mind having my job: George W. Bush's nephew, Pierce.
Meantime, on the last full day of his presidency, Bill Clinton cuts a deal with the independent counsel. And we'll get reaction from Mayor Rudy Giuliani, Republican of New York, and Democratic Senator Joe Biden of Delaware. And they are all next on LARRY KING LIVE.
Good evening and welcome to another edition of LARRY KING LIVE -- lots to get to tonight. Let's start first with Mayor Rudy Giuliani, who is on his way to Washington. He's in Wilmington, Delaware.
What happened? Did you hit a snow bank?
MAYOR RUDY GIULIANI (R), NEW YORK: I had long day at the office today. It was a little hard getting out. So I'm dying to get...
KING: You just made it to Wilmington.
GIULIANI: I'm dying to get there. Maybe I can catch the end of the partying.
KING: You will. And you will be with all the New York delegations at the St. Regis. A big time will be had.
Let's cover some quick bases, Rudy, because we got a lot going on here.
GIULIANI: Sure. Absolutely.
KING: Your reaction to the deal made with the special prosecutor and outgoing President Clinton today: that he says he fudged the truth, they drop all charges, Arkansas suspends a license, he can appeal it and everything is over?
GIULIANI: From Mr. Ray's point of view, I think it was a very wise and appropriate exercise of prosecutorial discretion. I think, as we look back historically, I think all of us now commend President Ford for pardoning President Nixon and putting that behind us. And I think Mr. Ray made the right decision in exercising prosecutorial discretion to end this case.
KING: What about the decision on Mr. Clinton's part to accept the deal?
GIULIANI: I think he also made the right decision. Why carry this on? I mean, he has a new life. He has a new life he wants to put together for himself. And it seems to me that this is probably the most appropriate way to do it. I mean, there -- a lot of people are going to be angry on both sides of this: people who feel maybe he shouldn't have made the admission that he made, people who feel that the president should have been prosecuted. But I don't know.
You know, it seems the country is better off putting this all behind us and moving on. We're going to have a grand inauguration tomorrow, a new president, a chance for America to reinvent itself under George W. Bush. I think this was a very smart decision on all sides.
KING: And also good for President Bush, right? Takes any heat off him on a pardon?
GIULIANI: He starts -- yes, absolutely. He starts fresh. The whole question is behind us. And he gets an opportunity to do for America what I know he wants to do and is going to be capable of doing.
KING: So good all the way around from the former prosecutor's standpoint, Mr. Giuliani?
GIULIANI: I think -- sometimes the most intelligent thing prosecutors do is when they exercise their discretion not to go forward with a case. And I think Mr. Ray is to be commended here. I think this shows a great deal of wisdom.
KING: You have had your personal life blared in headlines. It's happened to others.
KING: What are your thoughts about Jesse Jackson?
GIULIANI: My thoughts are: That's his problem, his issue and something he has to work out between himself, his family and in many other ways. And the less we delve into the personal lives of public figures, whether they're Republicans, Democrats -- we like them, we dislike them -- those are their own personal problems.
I have mine. And I have to work them out for myself. And most of the public doesn't really want to know about this. And, unfortunately, the line keeps getting pushed further and further back. And I don't think it's a good thing for the country.
KING: How are you feeling?
GIULIANI: I'm feeling a lot better. I got my last injection yesterday. So... KING: Ah hah!
GIULIANI: My last month of treatment and things look great. And I thank you very much for your concern, Larry. You're a terrific guy. And you did a great job today.
KING: You're a good man. And we're going to do a big show on all of this...
KING: ... dealing with prostate cancer. And I'll be at the ballpark with you next year. Now what are you going to do when your mayor...
GIULIANI: Are you going to go to the Super Bowl?
GIULIANI: Oh, gee. I...
KING: Are you going?
GIULIANI: Absolutely. I mean, I'm passing through Baltimore in a few minutes. I'm going to maybe pick up my bet early with the mayor of Baltimore.
KING: And what are you going to do when all the mayorship is over?
GIULIANI: I don't know. We'll talk about that. I've given that a lot of thought. I'll start giving it more thought as the year goes along. I have a lot of ideas. And, you know, this is a very exciting time for me. And I have -- I just gave a state of the city speech. And I think this will be most my active year as the mayor of New York City, which has everybody a little exhausted, I think. They are going to work very hard.
KING: May I say, you never looked better. Thanks, Rudy.
GIULIANI: Thank you, Larry. See you in Washington.
KING: Mayor Rudy Giuliani, the Republican mayor of New York City.
Now, we'll get reaction from Senator Joseph Biden of Delaware; chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee, reverts back to ranking minority member tomorrow.
How'd you like being chairman for a while, Joe, again? Was it fun?
SEN. JOSEPH BIDEN (D), DELAWARE: It was fun for a day, Larry.
KING: All right, what did you make of the deal that President Clinton and the special prosecutor both merged with today? BIDEN: I think it's good for America. I think it's good for the president's team. I think it's good that it's out of the way. I think it's good we can concentrate on where to go from here and maybe even focus on the upsides of this president's record. You know how I felt about that whole ordeal. I was pretty outspoken with you about it, but I think this is good. I think it's good that it's done, and we should move on. I agree with my friend, Rudy.
KING: What do you make of, so far, what you see of the incoming Bush administration? Certainly from the standpoint of foreign relations, obviously, you were very pleased with both the secretary of defense and the secretary of state; right?
BIDEN: I was. They have a serious team, Larry. I think we're going to have some policy disagreements, but I'd really like to see if we can forge the basis of a bipartisan foreign policy. I'm hopeful that they won't do things they talked about, like removing troops from the Balkans. I hope they go, as General Powell indicated to -- soon- to-be Secretary Powell, fairly slow on the national missile defense, and look at all the factors combined. But I'm impressed. You know, there are some -- these are serious guys.
KING: What -- what's your thoughts on the Ashcroft question? Last night, Senator Byrd on this program said that he should be confirmed?
BIDEN: Well, Larry, I think -- you may remember, you're probably the only one who would -- I voted against Ed Meese and a couple of others, and I read a statement that I read in '84, which said that the attorney general isn't the president's lawyer alone -- he's the people's lawyer, and he has to have the confidence of the people.
And I think John showed some incredibly bad judgment on some of the things he said that affect 20 million African-Americans. I'm going to have trouble voting for him. I was straight up with him at the hearing, and asked him whether or not he condemned the magazine that was clearly a racist magazine. He said, no, that's not my business to do that. I condemned what they said.
Appearances matter. I mean, if he were going to be the secretary of defense or the secretary of commerce, I'd have no problem. But he's going to become the people's lawyer, here, and I have some real difficult -- I'm really struggling with it, Larry.
KING: So, you may go nay? Would you join...
BIDEN: I may -- I'm more likely at this point, unless something happens, I'm more likely to vote no on Tuesday in the committee than I am to vote yes.
KING: Would you support a filibuster?
BIDEN: No, no.
KING: Because? BIDEN: Because a president shouldn't be tied up like that. We should get straight up and down. If a majority of the United States Senate says that he should be the attorney general, so be it, and I'll work with him. But I -- at a minimum I hope -- and I believe he will be attorney general quite frankly. I think the votes are there whether I vote for him or not.
And I hope that the experience is one that he understands that, you know, that there are thousands and thousands of people don't -- can't fathom why he would have said some of the things he said. And I realize that I don't think John Ashcroft is a racist. I know him. I think he's an honorable man. But I think he has been incredibly unpolitic in a number of things he said on race issues, and that matters. It matters.
KING: Senator, we'll be seeing a lot of you in the years ahead. These will not be dull.
BIDEN: Well, I think -- I hope they'll be a little smoother than they've been in the past.
KING: Senator Joe Biden, who tomorrow loses his chairmanship, but becomes ranking member of Foreign Relations.
Our lady on the scene at the big Texas ball tonight is Bo Derek. The president's -- he's going to be speak soon, right, Bo?
BO DEREK, ACTRESS: He is -- in about 15 minutes, I think.
KING: OK, what's it like there? Is it jammed?
DEREK: It's jammed. You can smell the beef brisket all through the room, and there are thousands of people and Mark Chestnut is singing right now.
KING: Thank you. We'll be going back to Bo later, as you can tell. Those covering correspondents, tonight, I think we're doing good. Bo Derek, an active Republican, is there at the Texas scene.
We're going to take a break, come back, and then go to a tape that we did earlier today with the incoming vice president and his wife. And then we got a great panel coming, with the return of Pierce Bush. The Cheneys are next. Don't go away.
KING: We're at the Madison Hotel in downtown Washington with the Cheneys: Dick Cheney, vice president-elect of the United States, and his wife, Lynne.
Are you going back to work?
LYNNE CHENEY, WIFE OF VICE PRESIDENT-ELECT DICK CHENEY: Yes.
L. CHENEY: Well, I'm a scholar at the American Enterprise Institute. I'm writing a book on education. I serve on a couple corporate boards. And I am a professional grandmother, besides.
KING: Is there any question about whether you should continue on the corporate boards or whether you should work in the private sector -- semi-private sector?
L. CHENEY: No, there really isn't. I -- you know, some people have kind of stirred around about this a little. I think that this question will be solved once and for all when the vice president-elect and the president-elect are women. And then the question will be: Well, should there husbands work? Well, of course, people should.
KING: Mr. vice president-elect, what if they made an offer for her to come back to "CROSSFIRE"?
DICK CHENEY, VICE PRESIDENT-ELECT OF THE UNITED STATES: Well...
KING: Would that be improper for her to take stands?
D. CHENEY: No, I think she would have to be careful about it.
L. CHENEY: You are being serious about this question.
D. CHENEY: Well, I am.
No, I think it's always possible you could get into a conflict situation of some kind with respect to an issue, I suppose. But Lynne's always had her own career. She's been a professional our entire married life.
KING: And always had aggressive opinions.
D. CHENEY: She has.
KING: Is it going to be hard for you -- they asked this of Ashcroft -- to tone that down? You are not out there anymore in that capacity.
L. CHENEY: Aggressive opinions is not how I think of it. I just...
D. CHENEY: It's the truth.
L. CHENEY: I think of myself as advocating common sense. You know, most of the causes that I have fought for -- sensible reading instructions in schools most recently -- it isn't a partisan issue. I find people all across the political spectrum are very supportive. KING: So you are not going away?
L. CHENEY: Well, no, absolutely not.
KING: Health. Obviously the first question: How are you?
D. CHENEY: Good.
KING: I spoke to our mutual cardiologist, Dr. David Katz. He says you are doing very, very well.
D. CHENEY: Yes. Well, we're doing fine thanks to the fantastic technology that is available these days. Larry, you and I are both products of that. And it really is amazing what they can do for you if you do what you need to do -- and the medicines that are available, and the surgical procedures, as well as
KING: Do you find yourself thinking about it a lot? Do you think a lot about it?
D. CHENEY: I really don't. I mean, I lived with it so long. Over 20 years, I've lived with...
KING: Heart disease.
D. CHENEY: ... coronary artery disease -- heart disease -- through most of my career: in Congress, at the Pentagon, and now as vice president-elect and business. So I don't think of it that much.
KING: What's it like for both of you? Tomorrow, your life changes.
D. CHENEY: Well, it's amazing. Your life really does change. And Lynne and I were reminiscing the other night when we first came to town in the fall of 1968. I tell the story about -- I had a fellowship to work on Capitol Hill. I rode the bus downtown and got down to the old Post Office down there where the buses used to change and couldn't figure out the bus-transfer system. So I had to walk the rest of the way to Capitol Hill. That was my first day in Washington.
KING: You couldn't figure the...
D. CHENEY: Couldn't figure out the bus-transfer system.
So I was a boy from a small town in Wyoming and didn't know that much about the big-city transportation system.
KING: And were you a young wife here with him?
L. CHENEY: Well, I was just thinking, people sometimes ask: How will have you time to continue to write books and so on? And I'm thinking that the challenges I face now are not nearly as great as the ones we had then. We had one little child. And I was pregnant with another baby. And I was writing my dissertation. And I needed to go to the Library of Congress. And we were living in Annandale, Virginia, which is not close.
And we only had one car. So I would ride the bus down, and, you know, do research and ride the bus back. Compared to that, the life we are about to embark is roses.
KING: Do you find yourself -- not maybe literally -- pinching yourself?
D. CHENEY: Sure. I mean, it's an amazing experience to be asked to go on the national ticket with then-Governor Bush and campaign all across the country, when -- a phenomenal election when you think about how long it took, the recount period and so forth. It's really been a very dramatic moment in American political history. And now tomorrow we're about to stand up and put my hand on the Bible and take the oath of office as vice president. It's something that is truly remarkable.
KING: Last night, Senator Byrd said that he expects, because of the closeness of the election, because of the fact the Senate divided -- decided to divide committees equally, that you are going to see progress, that people will lean their hands across, that that will be a do-something Congress.
D. CHENEY: I think that's entirely possible, Larry. I once worked for the governor of Wisconsin when we had state legislature that was split 51-49. And it was far more productive, in terms of getting things done, than when one party controlled it with a two- thirds majority. People had to cooperate, had to figure out ways to work together. And I hope this will happen, too.
KING: Are you hopeful too, Lynne? Do you think it can work?
L. CHENEY: Well, you know, Dick and I have been in and out of Washington for a long time. And we have friends who are Democrats. And so I know that's possible.
L. CHENEY: Yes. I think that, you know, in the last 10 years or so, maybe people haven't understood that that is possible. But we bring a sensibility to this task that's a little bit different and I think a little more open.
KING: Do you think there will be a lot of times you will be the tie-breaking vote?
D. CHENEY: I may be. I've gotten totally contradictory advice. I've had people who know a lot about the Senate and spent their entire lives in it say: You are going to be up here all the time having to cast the tie-breaking vote, and others with the other same kind of background, saying: No, they'll work it out. You will have to cast an occasional vote, but not a lot. So I -- nobody knows. Nobody knows.
KING: You don't know. What will be your -- every vice president has a role. And as vice president go on, they all get more important. We could say that Mondale was very important. Bush was very important. Certainly Gore was a very important vice president. What's your role? We see you everywhere?
D. CHENEY: Sure. And I was charged with the responsibility to come to Washington and get the transition up and running and help recruit the Cabinet. And I worked closely with president-elect Bush on that. But that process now is pretty well complete. We're getting ready to move in and take office. We've got Cabinet members. He's here now full time. So my public role won't be as great as it was in those early weeks. I'll function as an adviser and a counselor.
I'll be involved in national security policy, economic policy, but, basically, doing those things he wants me to do. He's asked me to spend a lot of time on the Hill, to worry about our relationships with Congress because of my own background up there. So it will be a variety of activity. But there's job description, Larry. It's really whatever he wants me to do.
KING: Is it a bad rap for him when so many people say you're the president or you're the acting president?
D. CHENEY: Of course, that's silly. It's silly. He doesn't worry about it. The fact of the matter is that he's made all the key decisions -- and will. And everybody will see that when they get there. The only reason that got started, as I say, was because in those weeks of the recount in Florida, I was the only representative of the Bush administration to be here in Washington. So all the cameras were focused on me.
He couldn't come up because the election was still in doubt. He had to stay in Texas as governor. We didn't have Cabinet members appointed. But, as I say, all of that's changed now. You have got Colin Powell, Don Rumsfeld, Paul O'Neill, some great Cabinet members and a president who's here full time. And when he and I are together, the reporters aren't very interested in asking me questions. They ask him all the questions.
KING: But he has said and told us that you're going to very active, especially in international affairs, which is your primary of expertise, isn't it?
D. CHENEY: Right.
KING: I mean, that's your bailiwick.
D. CHENEY: I spent a lot of time on the Intelligence Committee as White House chief of staff, as secretary of defense. So it's an area where I can contribute something to the administration. But I'm part of the team. He's the captain.
KING: What internationally worries you the most? D. CHENEY: Well, you can look around the world and find a lot of potential hot spots. Just in the last day or so, we've had this unsettled situation in the Congo develop, for example, where the president of Congo was shot and killed. It's not at all clear how that's going to sort out. That could be a short-term, temporary problem.
There are ongoing problems in the Middle East, of course. The peace process hasn't produced a final result yet. You are about to have elections in Israel. The area of the Gulf is somewhat unsettled: Saddam Hussein feeling his oats again. You have got to look at long- term relationships with China and Russia. So there are...
KING: Never easy.
D. CHENEY: ... ample problems out there.
KING: We'll be right back with the Cheneys on the eve of their -- yes, their inaugural. Don't go away.
KING: In a little while, we'll return to our interview with the Cheneys, but events are breaking. Senator Kay Bailey Hutchison is at the big Texas get-together, and she's introducing dignitaries in the crowd. When they get around to hearing from President-elect Bush, we'll carry his remarks.
So, before we go back to Cheneys later, let's meet our assembled panel. They are, here in Washington D.C.: Pierce Bush, the nephew of George W. Bush. He was a guest of ours during the GOP convention and caused a sensation. You'll see why in a minute. Wayne Newton, who sang at yesterday's inaugural opening celebration; was on the campaign trail with George W. Bush; also involved in the inaugural festivities for Richard Nixon and Ronald Reagan. At age nine, he sang for President Truman.
Julie Nixon Eisenhower, what a delight to see her again. The daughter of Richard and Patricia Nixon; author and lecturer. She met her future husband, David, at a 1957 inauguration of his grandfather, Dwight Eisenhower. And this is David Eisenhower, the grandson of Dwight David Eisenhower: historian, author and lecturer.
We'll be joined in a little while as well by Jeanne Johnson Phillips, the executive director of this 54th Presidential Inaugural Committee, and Bo Derek is standing by at the Texas get-together. We'll be going back to Bo for comments in a little while.
Well, Pierce, is this your first inaugural?
PIERCE BUSH, GEORGE W. BUSH'S NEPHEW: Well, no, it's not, Mr. King. This is -- I believe this is my second one. It's a great experience.
KING: Well, you're 13 -- you didn't go to Clinton's?
P. BUSH: I'm 14, actually. But I did not go to the Clinton's.
KING: So, in your first one you had to be two.
P. BUSH: Yes, it was. It was two exactly.
KING: You remember it? You have great memories?
P. BUSH: I remember doing one thing: asking my dad to go to the restroom when we were -- during the parade on Pennsylvania Avenue, and we couldn't find one, so, we headed right to the White House, and we got...
KING: You went to the bathroom at the White House?
P. BUSH: Yes, that was my first introduction into the White House. It was great. But I was two, so, I don't recollect everything.
KING: What are these like, Julie, for you?
JULIE NIXON EISENHOWER, AUTHOR: I just have to tell Pierce I was four years old when my dad was inaugurated vice president the first time, and I don't remember anything about it because I slept the entire time on my uncle's lap. I bet you were sleeping, too. Do you think you were?
P. BUSH: I probably was sleeping, but I was....
KING: Look at this picture, folks. There you see Richard Nixon being installed vice president. Right in front of him is you is you, Julie...
J. EISENHOWER: Right.
KING: ... with a little black eye, and looking over at Julie with somewhat of a peering link there, is David.
DAVID EISENHOWER, HISTORIAN: You know, I noticed her, but what I was also looking at, I think was one of the most spectacular inaugural parades in history.
KING: That parade?
D. EISENHOWER: That parade. See, what happened is that you just had the Suez crisis of 1956 and the Soviet threats against the British and the French, and we put on a May Day parade for the inauguration that day. I mean, missile after missile after missile. And as a kid building all these models, model airplane; I was just awestruck by the display of military power that we put on. It was the administration's way of saying, hands off. Don't touch Great Britain. Don't touch France. This is at the height of the Cold War. It was a very exciting parade.
KING: Still special for you, Wayne? WAYNE NEWTON, SINGER: Oh, there's nothing quite like it. When I stood on the stage yesterday in rehearsal and I looked out at the Washington Monument and then back at the statue of Mr. Lincoln there, I got goosebumps and there's just -- words are painfully inadequate, except I want this man to be my future manager.
KING: At age nine, you sang for President Truman.
NEWTON: There was a USO celebration, and I was living in -- I was raised in Fredericksburg, Virginia and Roanoke until I was 10, and they brought us in to entertain for that particular USO celebration. He was the guest of honor.
KING: We're going to check in in a moment with Bo Derek at Texas. We'll come back with our panel. We'll take a break, and we'll return to all the festivities. More of the Cheneys later. We're rocking and rolling. Don't go away.
SEN. KAY BAILEY HUTCHISON (R), TEXAS: ... because they will be the leaders of the free world. Please give a welcome...
KING: OK, we're cutting in on a commercial. As you can see, the president-elect and his wife, Laura, has been introduced to raucous crowd there in Texas, and the introduction is being made by Dick Cheney and Bo Derek is standing by.
CHENEY: I just received a tremendous compliment. I walked up here on the stage and Phil Gramm reached over and shook my hand and he said, you're almost a Texan.
I'll take it, Phil. That's good enough tonight. Well, we're delighted to be here, Lynne and I, to have the opportunity to share this evening with all of you and especially have the opportunity to share it with George and Laura Bush.
I have explained to a lot of people that a year ago, Lynne and I thought if we can just have a Republican victory and capture the White House, we might get to go to an inauguration. But we didn't know we were going to have such great seats. And they said three electoral votes from Wyoming weren't very important.
But the highlight of our year has been for Lynne and me to be asked to join George and Laura in this tremendous crusade they mounted. Fantastic experience to campaign all across the country in accordance with a set of principles and beliefs and a vision for America that this good man has laid out for all of us, and it will be my great pleasure tomorrow at high noon, when we take the oath of office to do so with a man who's going to provide superb leadership for America, and bring dignity and honor to our White House.
GEORGE W. BUSH, PRESIDENT-ELECT OF THE UNITED STATES: Thank you all. Big man. Thank you all. I love you. And I love Texas.
And I love my wife, the next first lady. She's looking pretty good, isn't she governor? Pretty good for Midland, Texas.
It's an honor to be on the stage with the governor and the lieutenant governor of the great state of Texas.
I'm proud of our two United States senators, good folks, people with whom I can work. I call them senators second; I call them friends first.
I want to thank Rick and Penne for putting on this event. We're just lucky we got a ticket.
I want to thank the members of the Texas congressional delegation are here. I look forward to working with you on both sides of the aisle to do what's right for America.
I remember out there in Crawford, which is our -- well, we got somebody from Crawford here.
And we're standing on the back porch of our -- one of our small homes there on the ranch. And Dick Cheney said: I'll serve with you. It was the best news I had in the campaign.
I guess some folks might have been scratching their head as to why I would pick somebody from a state that didn't have a lot of electoral votes. But the reason why is, is because this man is going to make a great vice president of the United States.
I've really been looking forward to tomorrow. I can't wait to get up there.
I can't wait to get started on the people's business, on accomplishing something on behalf of America, on showing the people that Washington doesn't have to be a place of bitterness and rancor, that good people can come together, standing on principle to get positive things done on behalf of our nation.
On our way up here, we stopped off in Midland.
I went by your house, but you weren't there.
It was a fantastic moment for us. We saw a lot of friends and people that -- who both of us had grown up with. And I saw a couple of little league -- former little league friends of mine and people I'd been in business with. And I said something that was really true there. I said, "You know, we're changing addresses, but we're never going to change our home."
That the way our system is structured, this is only a temporary job. But what's permanent -- but what is permanent is what's etched in my heart, the values with which I was raised.
BUSH: And those are Texas values!
Values of respecting people from all walks of life, values of private property and understanding the role of government is not to try to create wealth, but create an environment in which entrepreneurs and dreamers and small-business folks from all walks of life can realize the American dream.
Now, we're from a fabulous state. It's a huge honor to be a Texan in Washington, D.C.
It's a bigger honor to become the 43rd president of the United States. I'm grateful.
I'm grateful for your political support. I'm grateful for your prayer. I'm grateful for your friendship. God bless you all.
KING: President Bush -- President-elect George Bush -- he'll be president tomorrow afternoon -- speaking to a raucous crowd here in Texas. We'll get the reaction of our panel -- and Bo Derek on the scene. And then we'll return to our interview with the Cheneys and then more of the panel. And we'll all be right back -- I think -- right after this. Don't go away. (COMMERCIAL BREAK)
KING: Our panel is back and assembled. And we will return to the Cheneys in a little while. Let's go back to the Texas get- together and Bo Derek.
OK, Bo, what now? What's happening?
DEREK: It's great. The speech was just great. You know, he's speaking to a room full of the people who worked hardest for him. And I just feel really lucky, I have to say, to be here and be part of this bit of history. I worked -- I did what I could for the campaign. I believe in George W. Bush as a -- he's going to be a great president.
KING: Are the men wearing tuxedos and cowboy boots?
DEREK: And cowboy hats. We have a lot of Stetsons and Resistols here tonight.
KING: Is it -- how crowded -- I mean, from where we look, obviously it's very crowded. This was the hottest ticket, wasn't it?
DEREK: As far as I know, yes. I believe there are 11,000 invitations went out. And it is stuffed, absolutely packed.
KING: Lot of security?
DEREK: Lot of security. It's not too bad, though. It's loose. Everyone is having a good time.
KING: All right, you hang right there, Bo.
DEREK: I will.
KING: Pierce, what do you think is special about your uncle?
P. BUSH: Well, he's a great leader. He's a reformer with results. And he's proved itself -- and he's proved himself in Texas. And he's about to prove himself to the nation tomorrow when he takes the oath of office.
KING: Were you proud of him tonight?
P. BUSH: I'm incredibly proud of how far he's gone and what he's done to make this country a better place. And he will do a lot more.
KING: Well said.
What do you think is amazing about him, Julie?
J. EISENHOWER: I think it's amazing that he, the son of a president, became president. It's only the second time it's happened in history. It's hard to be the son of the most famous man in the world. It's hard to be the son of any famous man. And he's a person with tremendous self-confidence. He has a vision and he's made it.
NEWTON: I think she hit it right on the head. When I was a little younger and thought about having children, I said I never want a son, because I had noticed, in so many instances, that sons of famous fathers have such difficult shoes to walk in. And this man has found his own skin. He has found his own way of life. He has a way of communicating. He has convictions. He has a sense of humor. And I couldn't be more proud to be here tonight.
KING: Does he grow on you, David?
D. EISENHOWER: I think he's going to catch on.
KING: Yes. He's so different from Clinton, right?
D. EISENHOWER: I was impressed by the campaign. We studied it very closely at the University of Pennsylvania, at the Annenberg School for Communication. And this was a -- it was a very intelligent campaign. I saw a journalist -- I think it was Mike Barnicle -- on television about four weeks ago, who said something that really stuck in my mind.
He said: You know, I think he's going to -- he's just the perfect president for this time.
D. EISENHOWER: Because he's relaxed. He's easy-going. But he also has an intelligent approach to a problem that I think we are all aware of. And that is a sort of growing racial divide in this country and a certain amount of...
KING: But he only got 9 percent of the black vote.
D. EISENHOWER: But he's going to emphasize education. Everybody is for education. Education is the ticket to the American dream. And this fellow has a plan for it. He's going to put the Republican Party in business with minorities. And they've been out of business in those quarters for some years. I think he is going to be a terrific president.
KING: Lee Greenwood is now singing the only song he ever sings, right?
J. EISENHOWER: Yes.
KING: Does he ever sing another song?
J. EISENHOWER: It's a great song.
KING: Lee Greenwood has a repertoire, or is that it?
D. EISENHOWER: No, he has a great repertoire. But this is a great song.
KING: This is the only song he sings. This is the -- you wish you were there, Pierce? Where -- are you going to a party tonight?
P. BUSH: I might go to one. I don't think I'll go to this one because it looks incredibly crowded.
KING: Why don't you go to, like, Rhode Island?
P. BUSH: I might go there. I don't know -- I don't where we are going. I think I'm going to one, but I'm not certain which one it is. I think I'm going to skip the one where the man is singing.
P. BUSH: But you never know, Mr. King. You never know.
KING: You never what you -- you don't have a girlfriend yet, do you?
P. BUSH: No, unfortunately.
I remember you asked me that same thing. And you asked me about the braces, which I saw you were about to ask me. I still haven't gotten them out. But it's...
KING: You are wearing my tie, though.
P. BUSH: I am wearing your tie and your suspenders. You sent me these. You sent me...
KING: Oh, I sent you those?
P. BUSH: Yes, you did -- and this tie, after I was on your show last summer.
KING: You want to be me, don't you, Pierce? You want this show. Say it. You want this show.
P. BUSH: Hey, you never know. You never know.
KING: How do I buck this? He's the niece of a...
P. BUSH: Niece? Nephew. Hey!
KING: Nephew. OK, nephew.
P. BUSH: There we go. There we go.
KING: All right.
D. EISENHOWER: I think you are about ready to take over the show.
KING: We're going to take a break now. And then we'll come back and finish the interview with the Cheneys. And then the panel will come back. And when they come back, we'll be joined by the lady who's in charge of this show: Jeanne Johnson Phillips. And she'll tell us what's happening with the inaugural tomorrow.
That is Kay Bailey Hutchison, the senator, speaking to the crowd in Texas. We'll be back with the second part of the interview with the Cheneys, and then more of our panel. Don't go away.
KING: Do you expect, Dick -- forgive me for one thing. I've known you a long time.
D. CHENEY: Dick's fine. We've known each other a long time, Larry.
KING: Do you expect to continue to be activist, as the Clinton administration was, in the Middle East?
D. CHENEY: I think an American government has to be very deeply involved in the Middle East. We've got friends all over the area, not only in the -- in terms of our relationship with Israel, but also great friends in the Arab world -- in Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait.
And American leadership, American military capability, our security guarantees that we provide to our friends are all a vital part of relationships in that part of the world. And if those problems are going to be resolved and we'll make progress, it will require U.S. involvement for it to happen.
KING: Will you be a traveling vice president?
D. CHENEY: Occasionally, if my Senate duties allow me to do that.
KING: Lynne, do you worry about his health? I mean, frankly, this is not a passive vice president.
L. CHENEY: Well, he takes very good care of himself. We just got a new elliptical trainer.
KING: Elliptical trainer?
L. CHENEY: Right, a new investment in exercise equipment, is very good about using his exercise bike. We kind of have a routine. I use the treadmill. We watch our morning shows, and I think actually it's going to be easier to eat right in the vice president's house because you have people who worry about dinner.
And who, when you eat wrong, it tends to be because you're in a hurry and you can't plan. You know all of these things.
KING: Do you like that house?
D. CHENEY: Yes, it's a great house. KING: Have the Gores been nice in helping...
D. CHENEY: They have been very nice. They had us over a couple of weeks ago on a Saturday to give us the tour so we could see the entire house and see what we needed ...
KING: Plumbing work?
D. CHENEY: Plumbing works. A lot of money has been spent on it over the years to upgrade it. It's got good air conditioning and so forth. So...
KING: Back to things current -- Ashcroft. Last night, on this program, Senator Byrd, a very distinguished prominent member of the Senate for years, came out very strongly for him. Are you surprised by the rancor?
D. CHENEY: I am a little bit surprised by the rancor, especially involving a man as distinguished as John Ashcroft. He's been a member of the United States Senate for the last six years, two-term governor, two-term attorney general. I thought it's gotten a little heated. Maybe that's just in part the aftermath of the election.
But I would hope, and I fully expect, that the Senate will confirm him. And I think he'd be a great attorney general.
KING: Do you think, Lynne, he can have strong feelings in one area and in the same area prosecute people who are doing things that you might do? In other words, take an area like abortion.
L. CHENEY: Well, you know, John I think has been very eloquent about taking...
KING: But you can do both...
L. CHENEY: ... an oath to uphold the law, and I think he's a man of strong convictions. And one of those is to protect, support and defend the Constitution, and I have no doubt he'll be a great attorney general.
KING: And will go through?
D. CHENEY: I think he's definitely going to be confirmed. I would guess maybe 65 or 70 votes.
KING: Expect any filibuster?
D. CHENEY: I don't think so. I think in the final analysis, that would be a step that goes beyond anything that's really been done in recent years. We've got a new administration. The president is entitled to have people working for him that he's appointed unless there is some fundamental reason that disqualifies them from serving.
And I think the Senate can and will give him the team he wants.
KING: And Gale Norton? D. CHENEY: Gale Norton is a great appointment as interior secretary. We've watched her work, Lynne and I have, as the attorney general of Colorado. She knows those Western issues and understands them very well, and she'll be a great attorney -- a great secretary of the interior.
KING: Is it a bum rap to say that she's anti-environment?
D. CHENEY: Well, it really is. One of the intriguing things ...
KING: Now, you live out there.
D. CHENEY: We live out there. I was a Congressman from Wyoming for a long time. In the West, the federal government owns half the West. They own half the surface in Wyoming, two-thirds of the subsurface. So in Wyoming, if you graze cattle or you're involved in tourism or recreation, or you're in the energy business, some of that takes place on public lands, and there are ways for doing that.
There are rules and regulations, fees to be paid and so forth. Lots of times, anymore now, what we're having is an effort by some in the environmental community, oftentimes not in the West, to say we shouldn't be on those public lands, we shouldn't graze cattle on them, or we shouldn't use them to develop energy.
That would literally shut down our economy in the West. What you're looking for is balance. We've done a good job in Wyoming, for example, of taking care of our natural resources and, at the same time, building a strong economy. And that's what Gale believes in.
KING: You can do both?
D. CHENEY: Absolutely. It's a false choice to say otherwise. Our technology has gotten so good now in the oil business, for example, that there's very little footprint on the surface for extensive developments underground in terms of being able to develop those resources.
So I think, increasingly, it will be clear that technology lets us develop resources and protect the environment at the same time.
KING: Are you surprised Saddam is still around, by the way?
D. CHENEY: No, not really. When you think about it, it's not a democratic regime.
KING: Dictators last.
D. CHENEY: Dictators last a long time. You've got Fidel Castro in Cuba for a long time.
KING: I think he's the longest head of state probably...
D. CHENEY: He may certainly well be. He may well be.
KING: How are the kids? They're not kids anymore, your kids, but they're still your kids, right?
L. CHENEY: Well, we're enjoying having them around. We're enjoying having the grandchildren involved.
KING: How are they handling this?
L. CHENEY: The 6-year-old absolutely adores it, the 6-year-old granddaughter. The 3-year-old and the 10-month-old are a little oblivious.
KING: Don't care...
L. CHENEY: That's right. But the 6-year-old is really...
KING: How about the children, your children?
L. CHENEY: Yes, Mary and Elizabeth are both here this weekend and...
KING: I mean, do they like the attention?
D. CHENEY: Well, they loved the campaign. Liz, our oldest, was in charge of all our debate preparation, handled all of that. Mary, our youngest, was my personal aide, traveled with us throughout the campaign. It really became a family enterprise. That's one of the most, I think, rewarding family activities we've ever undertaken as a family.
L. CHENEY: But I think it's not that they love the attention. They just completely ...
KING: Love their father.
L. CHENEY: They love their father very much, and they think it's just a wonderful thing to have been able to help him ...
KING: Will they, therefore, stay active with you?
D. CHENEY: Well, I think Liz will, lives in Washington with her husband. She's an attorney. So she's always had an interest in things political. Mary will go back to Colorado and go to business school.
KING: And come back again if you need them, right?
D. CHENEY: She'll be back, I'm sure, to visit frequently.
KING: Anything give you pause about this? Anything you're not looking forward to?
D. CHENEY: Well, pause. I really look forward to all of it, Larry, but there is -- you know, there's certainly a great awareness of the significance of what's about to happen. I saw it last night. We were at the Lincoln Memorial to begin the weekend, and ...
KING: You were there together. D. CHENEY: Before we went out, I looked up at the wall and read Lincoln's Second Inaugural Address that he delivered in the midst of the Civil War. And when you think about what's involved in the presidency and the vice presidency and the history that that represents, and the enormous decision that have been made over the years by those who preceded us, then that gives you pause to think about how important these jobs are, how important it is to get it right.
KING: And if the media is doing shows on education, you are still going to be active there, too?
L. CHENEY: Larry, I'm hoping you'll ask me.
KING: You will be asked. Thank you. Best of luck.
D. CHENEY: Larry, thanks again.
KING: Stay healthy.
D. CHENEY: Yes, sir.
KING: The Cheneys. I'm Larry King. Back after this.
KING: We apologize, the program is a little disjointed tonight, but we've had a lot of moving and shaking. Joining our panel now is Jeanne Johnson Phillips, executive director of the 54th Presidential Inaugural Committee, who started putting this thing together when?
JEANNE JOHNSON PHILLIPS, 54TH PRESIDENTIAL INAUGURAL COMMITTEE: December 13th.
KING: How did you do it?
PHILLIPS: Built a great team; had a lot of friends I've know a long time who came when I called, which I was very grateful to them for, and got a plan and put it in motion and made a lot of decisions on the run.
KING: And the buck stopped with you?
PHILLIPS: Pretty much.
KING: How much did it cost?
PHILLIPS: We've raised about -- in the high 30s; 38, 39 million. But what that does is it allows everything -- almost everything to be free for the public, which is very important, and it was very important to President-elect Bush and Vice President-elect Cheney that we not have huge, high-price tickets so more people could come.
KING: So, look at all the planning and work that had to go into this because such limited time because you lost six weeks, right?
PHILLIPS: We did. You usually have 80 days. So, we had 31 days.
KING: Are you impressed, Pierce?
P. BUSH: I think that's incredible. Must have been a lot of tension in the office.
PHILLIPS: Not really.
KING: Good question.
PHILLIPS: Actually, you know, it's been very interesting. People have been very focused. We've tried to stay very calm and there's a management term called, be effective instead of crazy and chaotic. So we decided on the front end it is what it is. We have 31 days. That's it.
KING: What do you do in real life?
PHILLIPS: Well, in real I'm the mom of a seven-year-old, Margaret.
KING: And how did you get this gig?
PHILLIPS: Well, I actually had a sane private life working in corporate America, and then I was asked to help on the campaign. I signed on for six months and here I am, and I got it...
KING: Maybe it's because she's sheriff. Only a Texan could carry this bag.
PHILLIPS: That's great.
KING: Are you surprised with what she's done, Julie?
J. EISENHOWER: I think it's incredible. And Jeanne and I were talking, just the people I've talked to at the inaugural committee; they're all -- most of them are volunteers or maybe all of them are, and they're working Sundays -- I've talked to people Sundays. I've talked to people 9:00, 10:00 at night. I mean, the spirit of volunteerism is well and alive in politics. You know, there's a lot of talk about people are turned off with the political system, but people win elections through volunteers. It's not just money and it's not just the candidate.
KING: This is like putting together a Vegas show. Of course, it takes more than six weeks to do that.
NEWTON: A lot more than that. Yes, absolutely.
KING: Let's check back in Texas for one more moment with Bo Derek.
Bo, are you there? DEREK: Yes, I'm here, Larry.
KING: Now, how long does this thing go on for?
DEREK: Oh, I assume all night. I know Clint Black is going to start singing, and Tanya Tucker. I have a horse named Tanya Tucker, actually.
KING: And where is Senator Hutchison? She helped us so much tonight. Where is she now?
DEREK: She is still on stage. I was hoping she would get over but Wayne -- is Wayne Newton still there?
KING: Sure can.
NEWTON: Hi, Bo.
DEREK: Wayne, I know you talked to the gods and worked weather magic on election night when we were in Austin. I'd like to you do some weather magic tomorrow, because I'm supposed to be riding in a Corvette in the parade.
NEWTON: Bo, I'm on it as we speak. I'm talking to Pierce.
KING: Speaking of that, Jeanne, what happens tomorrow?
PHILLIPS: Well, I think we'll go unless it's...
KING: You think it'll go outside?
KING: What will change it?
PHILLIPS: If -- the parade would be canceled only if the children involved were at risk because of the weather. But we're pretty tough in Texas, and I think you'll see an inaugural outside.
KING: How about the outdoor ceremony? What would push it inside?
PHILLIPS: Really bitter cold temperatures that were -- would cause people just total discomfort.
KING: As Reagan's second when it was seven degrees.
PHILLIPS: Right, right. But I talked to the weather guys this afternoon and late tonight just before I came and we're a go right now.
KING: Pierce, would you go in a parade, open car, snow?
P. BUSH: Oh, of course. For an event like this, I would definitely go. As I said before, the convention was a once in a lifetime thing. This is a once in a lifetime thing, although I've been a couple of times, you know what I'm saying? But you got to get the full aspect.
KING: You got to feel it. You remember it when you were two.
P. BUSH: You got to feel it. I feel it right now, though.
KING: You are? You're getting emotional, right?
P. BUSH: Especially on your show, Mr. King. You know what I'm saying?
KING: Thanks for coming, Pierce. That's Clint Black entertaining. We want to thank Bo Derek for all of your help tonight. It's so great seeing the Eisenhowers again. They're buried there at the University of Pennsylvania, and they're -- where do you live? Just outside of Philly?
J. EISENHOWER: Outside of Philly, right. Big Bush supporters.
KING: Back home.
D. EISENHOWER: It's a very exciting...
KING: Kay, can you hear me? Is Kay Bailey ready? No, she can't hear us, and Clint Black is singing and I got to get out of here.
Wayne, you open Monday night in Vegas; right?
NEWTON: Monday night at the Stardust Hotel.
KING: OK, and what -- do you go back to housewiving now when this is all over? Back home?
PHILLIPS: Yes, we'll see. We'll see. Probably back to Dallas for a while, and who knows what the future will bring. But thank you for being on our show last night. That was great at the opening ceremonies. That was wonderful to have you, and also you, too, Wayne. We really appreciate it.
KING: It was an honor to be there. Thank you. Thank you all. Bo Derek, thanks for all your work for us tonight. It was great seeing you. Good luck in the car tomorrow, driving in the parade. You will see it -- there she is. Kay Bailey, great job tonight.
HUTCHISON: Oh, thank you. We had a wonderful night, Larry. It was magical. It was our Texas send-off to America with our president- elect, George Bush.
KING: Thank you, Kay Bailey. Thank you, Bo. Thank you, panel. Thank you earlier to the Cheneys. See you tomorrow night with Ben Bradlee; Sally Quinn; and Governor Jim Gilmore of Virginia, the new chairman of the Republican Party.
Bill Hemmer and "CNN TONIGHT" from Washington tonight is next. Thanks for joining us on inauguration eve. See all the festivities tomorrow on CNN. We'll see you tomorrow night, and don't forget: We now have Sunday night "LARRY KING WEEKEND." Good night. (MUSIC)
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