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The Spin Room

Terry McAuliffe Takes the Helm of the Democratic Party

Aired February 6, 2001 - 10:30 p.m. ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.

BILL PRESS, CO-HOST: Yes, but is Terry McAuliffe George Bush's worst nightmare?

TUCKER CARLSON, CO-HOST: Terry McAuliffe and I have at least one thing in common. We both dream of Katherine Harris.

PRESS: Aggghhh!

Welcome, everybody. It's Tuesday night. This is THE SPIN ROOM, and I'm Bill Press. Thanks for being there.

CARLSON: And that would make me Tucker Carlson. Welcome.

We have a guest tonight almost especially designed for THE SPIN ROOM, that would be Terry McAuliffe, the new head of the Democratic National Committee. We want to know what you think of Terry McAuliffe. We suspect you have thoughts.

You know the numbers, give us a call, 1-800-310-4CNN. You can join our live online chat at cnn.com, or you can send us an e-mail. Our address is spin@cnn.com.

PRESS: Indeed, our guest tonight, the most prodigious fund- raiser in the history of American politics, Republican or Democrat. He's the newly elected chairman of the DNC, Mr. Terry McAuliffe. There he is, and we'll be coming to Terry in just a moment with our first question, Do you really believe, Mr. Chairman, that you're going to throw George W. Bush out of the White House in 2004, as you promised over the weekend?

Mull that over for just a second. What do you think, Tucker?

CARLSON: Well, you know...

PRESS: A new DNC chair.

CARLSON: A new -- you know, and (UNINTELLIGIBLE)...

PRESS: God bless America.

CARLSON: ... he looks so tame, almost, almost cuddly, I'll go ahead and say it. But he didn't look that way on Saturday night, Bill. Let's roll -- I think we have this on tape. This is Terry McAuliffe, the same one you just saw in your television screen a moment ago. This is Terry McAuliffe on Saturday night.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

TERRY MCAULIFFE, CHAIRMAN, DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL COMMITTEE: If Katherine Harris, Jeb Bush, Jim Baker, and the Supreme Court hadn't tampered with the results, Al Gore would be president, George Bush would be back in Austin, and John Ashcroft would be home reading "Southern Partisan" magazine.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

CARLSON: Now, this is the part (UNINTELLIGIBLE)...

PRESS: And I'm on my feet cheering.

CARLSON: Well, this is when you take your shoe off and you beat it on the podium and say, We will bury you. It's odd seeing this. I think of Terry McAuliffe as a sort of arm-around-your-shoulder sort of guy you run into at lunch, you know, everybody's friend. Weird to see him up there orating.

PRESS: Well, that's when he wanted a thousand-dollar check from you, Tucker. But when he's up there as the new DNC chair, he's got to throw red meat to the crowd...

CARLSON: But see, that's why fund raising...

PRESS: ... and that's...

CARLSON: ... is such a great gig. People mock fund-raisers and say, Oh, must be terrible. But in fact, fund raising is great, because you get to be everybody's buddy. You don't have to get your hands or your feet dirty with policies or partisanship, you can just be friendly. And he's good at that.

PRESS: But now -- yes, he is very good at that. But let me tell you something, he's also going to be very good, I believe, as chairman of the DNC, and I'll tell you why. It's because these Democrats in Congress -- you've heard me say this before -- they've been total weenies for the past week. All they've been doing is sucking up to President Bush. They've been down there, they've been hugging in, they've been shaking hands.

This is a guy who's finally standing up and saying, We're the opposition party, and we're going to throw Bush out of there in four years, and we're going to take over the Congress in two years. And that's what the Democrats need, they need a fighter.

CARLSON: But see, there's one problem with that theory, Bill, and that is -- and we can ask Terry McAuliffe about this in a moment -- I don't think he means a single word of it. You see, I think Terry McAuliffe...

PRESS: Ah, that's...

CARLSON: ... deep down, is a thoroughly decent guy who really doesn't believe all the Democratic propaganda.

PRESS: He...

CARLSON: He's just saying it.

PRESS: I hate to disappoint you. I hate to pop your bubble. He means every word of it.

Mr. Chairman...

CARLSON: I don't think so.

PRESS: ... tell us, do you really think George W. Bush, one- termer and he's out of there? How you going to do it?

MCAULIFFE: No question. Listen, if we'd counted the votes in Florida the first time, he wouldn't be president today. But he's been sworn in, he's the president. So we've got to focus our energies going forward. I'm going to show L. -- George Bush the door, 2004. We're excited. The Democratic Party has never been more energized, united. We're raring to go. Let's get it on.

CARLSON: Now, let's talk -- wait, now, Terry McAuliffe, before we talk about the imminent demise of George W. Bush, let's talk about you for a minute. Is it an odd role switch? We were just talking about how nice it is to see you stay at the Palm, coming up to people's table and chatting and raising money, et cetera. You're very good at that.

Is it, is it -- this is an uncomfortable role, to get up there and toss red meat into cheering, snarling crowds?

MCAULIFFE: Well, listen, I now as chairman of the party, I'm going to get everybody excited, energized around the country. I've had many roles with the Democratic Party, as you know, Tucker. I chaired the convention in Los Angeles this year, which was the greatest convention of all time. We came out with the longest sustained bounce of any Democratic convention ever.

I was the chairman of the inaugural, as you know, in 1997, that great reelection of Bill Clinton and Al Gore. I was one of the co- chairs of the Clinton-Gore reelection committee.

I have done a lot of political activities, a lot of grass-roots activities, but I'm known for fund raising. You know, I once wrestled an alligator for $15,000, but I've done a lot of politics in my life, and I want to bring that same energy, enthusiasm, and excitement to the grass roots of this party that I've brought to fund raising.

I'm going to raise a lot of money, but I'm going to raise a lot of issues, I'm going to raise hopes, and I'm going to raise expectations. It's going to be a great time.

PRESS: You know what? I was going to ask you later about that alligator, but since you raised it now, I did a little research today, Mr. Chairman. MCAULIFFE: Yes.

PRESS: Because -- in case everybody doesn't know, and I've seen the picture of you wrestling this alligator, I've seen it actually in -- on the wall in your office. And as I understand it, you bet this Indian tribe, the Seminole Indian tribe, that if you got in there and wrestled that alligator successfully, they'd give 15 grand to the D- triple-C, correct?

MCAULIFFE: To the Democratic National Committee in 1980.

PRESS: (UNINTELLIGIBLE), all right, the DNC it was. Now, here's a letter. I just found this in research today -- or actually our SPIN ROOM researchers found it -- a letter to "Life" magazine back in 1986 that says that that alligator's mouth was tied shut. It was about as dangerous as a three-month-old kitten. And you gypped them out of that $15,000, Terry.

MCAULIFFE: No, don't be an unfair...

CARLSON: Are you going to give it back?

PRESS: That's what they say.

MCAULIFFE: Don't be an unfair journalist. I went back in 1986 when "Life" magazine actually had me get back in the pit with the same alligator with a suit on, and at that time the alligator's jaws were wired shut because we were doing a photo shoot for "Life" magazine. I actually wrestled the alligator in 1980, and if you go back to "Newsweek" magazine you will see the real picture, where it actually was a real, live, thrashing alligator.

I'll do anything once, but that was a reenactment we did three years later.

PRESS: Well, wait a minute, but you climbed in a pit with the same alligator twice?

MCAULIFFE: Yes, but the second time I had a suit on. It was just for a photo for "Life" magazine. And that time, it did actually have some tape.

However, I want everybody to know across this country...

PRESS: I wouldn't do that for (UNINTELLIGIBLE).

MCAULIFFE: ... that I wrestled an alligator. Watch the tail. The tail can snap your vertebrae in half. So it's not just the mouth, Bill, it's the tail. And any time -- I'd love to take you and Tucker down sometime to the Seminole tribe...

CARLSON: I have a feeling this is a metaphor for so many other things.

But let's get back to issues for a second here, Terry McAuliffe.

MCAULIFFE: You bet.

CARLSON: You said you're excited about issues, but yet for the past eight years, when you've been seen frequently beside a Bill Clinton, say, playing golf, you were known to boast that you and the president didn't talk issues or ideology, but that this was primarily a friendship. I mean, do you have experience in issues that we're not aware of, sort of a hidden desire to get into the policy part that hasn't been revealed?

MCAULIFFE: Well, Tucker, I think we're all in issues. If you live here in America involved in a lot of different businesses -- you know, I was chairman of a bank when I was 29 years old, I own or run probably 30 different companies. I've hired a lot of people. And you have to be involved in issues.

So I've been very involved in issues, and that's why eight great years of that Clinton-Gore administration, 22 million new jobs, the greatest economy our country's ever seen. And that's why I worry about this big tax cut, that it could ruin, throw a big deficit into what we've been trying to do.

But Tucker, I've always been involved in issues. I started my first company when I was 14 years old, so I've been involved in issues since I'm a very young man.

PRESS: Tucker mentioned your close relationship with former president Clinton. It became an issue in the election for chairman of DNC. Maxine -- Congresswoman Maxine Waters from California, supporting your opponent, Maynard Jackson, and she said that the Clinton friendship could actually be a millstone around your neck, she suggested.

You've heard this quote before, maybe all of our viewers haven't, Congresswoman Waters saying, quote, "Terry McAuliffe is so closely associated with the Clintons that it's going to be hard for him to be in anything but a totally defensive position. Right or wrong, these attacks keep the debate and conversation about the problems of the past and not the future."

How do you move ahead when everybody's still talking about, you know, Clinton's gifts, Clinton's pardon, da da da, da da da da da da?

MCAULIFFE: You know, Bill, we have got to move on. But let me spend a second saying that Bill Clinton is a great friend of mine and always will be a great friend of mine. But on behalf of the country, he presided over the greatest peace and prosperity this nation has ever seen, 22 million jobs. It was a great eight years in this country. We should never forget it.

Even though the Republicans have come into office and they're already trying to talk down the economy, they're already scaring people so they can get their expectations once again very low, we're not going to play that game. It's been eight great years. Bill Clinton was a great president, Al Gore was a great vice president.

So we need to use that excitement, enthusiasm that was generated over the course of the last eight years and move forward. And that's why we as a Democratic Party are uniting today.

CARLSON: But, but, but, I mean, you make the point that we need to move on, but Bill Clinton essentially installed you in this job, certainly backed you -- no, I think -- I -- is that -- I mean, I, I, I, I don't want -- I, I (UNINTELLIGIBLE)...

PRESS: (UNINTELLIGIBLE) dinner before you came here.

CARLSON: ... achievements, but you were Bill Clinton's choice for this job, and I mean that as a high compliment...

MCAULIFFE: Thank you.

CARLSON: ... but that, that's not ending the Clinton era. You're running the Democratic National Committee.

MCAULIFFE: Tucker, I -- if you go back and look, I'm so proud to say that of course I was endorsed by Bill Clinton, Al Gore, Lotty Schackleford (ph), Alexis Herman, Mayor Webb, Dennis Archer, the entire leadership of the DNC, 88 percent of the DNC membership had endorsed my candidacy. As I say, every officer of the DNC. I had leaders from all over this country, Gray Davis, the great governor of the great state of California.

So my endorsements were wide in this party. I was endorsed by over two-thirds of the DNC Black Caucus. I was endorsed by the Hispanic Caucus, the Women's Caucus, the Gay-Lesbian Caucus, the Asian Pacific Caucus, everybody endorsed me.

So this wasn't just one or two people, it was broad support, because they know one thing, Tucker, they know every day Terry McAuliffe is getting out of bed, and he is going to fight that fight that matters most to America's working families.

And that's why my endorsements were so great.

PRESS: All right.

CARLSON: That's a lot of caucuses, I have to say.

PRESS: Well, that's it. And the first goal, of course, as you said, is 2002, control -- Democratic control of the Congress. We're going to find out what your plans are for that, Mr. Chairman, if you'll just stay right there. Our guest, DNC chairman, the newly elected last Saturday, Terry McAuliffe. You can give us a call at 1- 800-310-4CNN. Get your nominations in for spin of the day to spin@cnn.com.

CARLSON: When we come back, Terry McAuliffe will reveal his dastardly plans. We promise you that. We'll be right back.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

CARLSON: Welcome back to THE SPIN ROOM. I'm Tucker Carlson, here with Bill Press.

PRESS: Me, Bill Press, thank you.

CARLSON: We don't have the prime minister of Canada. And you know, Bill, we were going to have him last time. I feel a certain prime minister shaped-hole in the middle of THE SPIN ROOM, but you know what we're going to fill it with, apart from Terry McAuliffe?

PRESS: He had his chance. He blew it.

CARLSON: He did.

PRESS: He wasn't up.

CARLSON: But we have instead news of the day.

PRESS: Yup, let's go.

CARLSON: And lots of other things...

PRESS: Lots of good political news.

PRESS: ... going on today. In case you missed it, Al Gore reported to work today at his new job as a college professor, there he is. And I guess the one thing one notices about Al Gore, he looks happy. This is what Al Gore should be doing. He looks like a college professor, he looks completely at home. He should have started this 20 years ago, that's my feeling.

PRESS: He really does look like a college professor, doesn't he? Yes, very good.

The other news of the day, of course, this is President Reagan's 90th birthday...

CARLSON: It is.

PRESS: ... we've been celebrating it all day on CNN. Ninety years, and an entire nation wishes him all the best, and many thanks.

CARLSON: Yes, we also wish all the best to the many ballot counters still in Florida, thumbing through...

PRESS: Can you believe it?

CARLSON: ... the ballots. Many of them have been there since November. There they are, this has got to be the worst job in America, all those tiny little holes, not clear what they're going to do when the finally come up with some sort of answer. We have a president. But they're still doing it.

PRESS: What they will do when they come up (UNINTELLIGIBLE) when they get to the end of the process, they will declare that Al Gore in fact won the state of Florida, and should be in the White House.

But let's not remind everybody of that.

CARLSON: But he's busy teaching college. I don't think they're going to announce that, Bill, somehow.

PRESS: All right, on to a couple of quick e-mails before we...

CARLSON: Oh, yes.

PRESS: ... get back. We have some wonderful e-mail here, Tucker. I just -- this is -- this is what I love about our viewers, they come up with such insights. This is Ron Zemnick (ph) pointing out that if Wolf Blitzer's mother had married Werner Wolf's father, his name would be Wolf Wolf.

I'm sorry, I couldn't help it, I loved it.

CARLSON: You know, that's just another deep insight from our viewers. And you know, normally, Bill, we do the megalomania e-mail and then we go right to the hate mail? But I just -- I love our hate mail. One thing about the people who hate us, they really hate us. There are no half measures...

PRESS: No, no, no.

CARLSON: ... for the haters who write into this show. This is from Glen, no last name or location. He says, "You have to be the worst thing on any network anywhere." That's what I love about this, it's not just, See what you can do to improve the show, it's, You're so bad, I think you should be illegal.

PRESS: Actually, if we were that bad, we'd really be good.

And just humility, in all humility, the megalomania e-mails also go over the top. John Cortez from Long Beach, California, says, "Bill and Tucker are to CNN what Regis Philbin is to ABC."

CARLSON: (UNINTELLIGIBLE)?

PRESS: No, that's getting (UNINTELLIGIBLE)...

CARLSON: I'm sorry to burst your bubble. I'm not sure that that's a megalomania e-mail. That may be a not-so-subtle attack...

PRESS: All right...

CARLSON: ... on us.

PRESS: ... Terry McAuliffe is getting his share of e-mails too. "Shout it from the rooftops, Terry," says Gigi (ph). "Bush stole the election."

CARLSON: And Terry McAuliffe has gotten at least five e-mails for this comment. He -- a number of people have written in to say, "Please ask your guest to stop using the phrase `at the end of the day.'" Apparently Terry McAuliffe, one of the Sunday shows, and used the phrase "at the end of the day" 600 or 700 times in 12 minutes.

PRESS: I have not heard him use it once...

CARLSON: I haven't either.

PRESS: ... tonight, for which we congratulate you, Mr. Chairman.

CARLSON: Terry, what is that, do you -- is -- and what day are you talking about, exactly?

MCAULIFFE: At the end of this day.

CARLSON: Oh, the end of this day. OK, that's a good finite time period, we can relate to that.

PRESS: OK, let's get down here. Now, in Washington, there's this -- we (UNINTELLIGIBLE) -- we heard about your politics, just a little brief outtake here, just a little business. In Washington, there's this restaurant. We've been there, Tucker.

CARLSON: We have indeed.

PRESS: Called The Caucus Room.

CARLSON: Oh, yes.

PRESS: It's a new steak house. And here you are...

CARLSON: Kind of an inside Washington-type place.

PRESS: Yes, here you are, battling out with the Republicans. There's a -- there's some video of the steak house, of The Caucus Room. You're battling out with Republicans all the time, and yet you're an investor in this, and so is former Republican chairman Haley Barbour. I mean, politics is only skin deep in Washington, is that it? And what it's really all about is making dough?

MCAULIFFE: Well, Haley called me up, said, "Terry, we're going to start a little restaurant, and I'd love to have you in it, because you could bring some of your wealthy friends down." And I said, "Well, they'll be a lot wealthier after this George Bush tax cut." So figured I'd bring some of my friends down.

PRESS: Way it works.

CARLSON: It's hard to attack that.

Let me -- I just want you to hear something, a clip from -- former president Clinton gave a speech before Democratic donors last year, and it was a tribute, in part, to you. Listen to what he said, I think we have this sound here.

(BEGIN AUDIO CLIP)

WILLIAM JEFFERSON CLINTON, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Terry and I have never been of the school that believed that we ought to act embarrassed because we ask people in the system we have to contribute so that we could get our message across.

(END AUDIO CLIP) CARLSON: Now, now that you're head of the DNC, don't you have to at least pretend to be embarrassed about these, these campaign finance excesses that you've been at the center of?

MCAULIFFE: Well, I haven't been at the center of them, Tucker, you ought to get your facts right.

CARLSON: OK.

MCAULIFFE: At the end of the day, you got to raise money in these political campaigns, and I'm proud of everything that I've done. And what we need to focus our energies on is going forward. And we have to focus on what George Bush stands for. We have to make sure that the Democrats are vigilant and staying after him as it relates to the environment, so he's not drilling in our pristine wilderness.

And John Ashcroft, who has a deplorable record, as you know, on civil rights, equal rights, women rights, and taxes. Taxes going to be a big fight for us. And finally, choice. These are the difference between Republicans and Democrats. And we must remember that we received 500,000 more votes than George Bush did in 2000. More people voted for our issues and our platform and for Al Gore than did for George Bush.

PRESS: Mr. Chairman, a call for you from one of our viewers, Chris, SPIN ROOM viewer from Texas. Hey, Chris, welcome to THE SPIN ROOM.

CALLER: Yes, as the president of Memorial Young Democrats, I want to know if your leadership is going to mean the death of campaign finance reform in the party, and will the DNC be anything more than a check collector?

MCAULIFFE: Well, first...

CARLSON: That's a great question, Chris.

PRESS: There you go...

MCAULIFFE: First...

PRESS: ... from a young Democrat.

MCAULIFFE: Yes. I wholeheartedly support McCain-Feingold. In fact, if you'd watched us on Tim Russert, Governor Gilmore, who is the chair of the Republican Party, said that he was against McCain- Feingold. I unequivocally supported it.

So the Republicans talk the talk, but they won't walk the walk. They'll never pass this. Two years ago, we tried to get a bill out of Congress that President Clinton said he would sign, McCain-Feingold. They filibustered it. They never sent a bill up.

They're not going to send a bill up now. The chairman of the RNC just the other day, just two days ago, said, "We're against it, I'm going to follow President Bush's lead, and I'm not going to support it." I support it. The Democrats support us. Let's get campaign finance reform. There's too much soft money in the system. Let's eliminate it.

But at the end of the day, they won't send us (UNINTELLIGIBLE).

CARLSON: That is, that is -- it has come full circle. Terry McAuliffe, champion of campaign finance reform, we appreciate your coming on THE SPIN ROOM.

MCAULIFFE: Thank you, Tucker.

PRESS: Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

MCAULIFFE: Great to be with everybody. Come on down to The Caucus Room.

CARLSON: We'll be there collecting soft money. Thanks, Terry McAuliffe.

PRESS: All right.

CARLSON: And we'll be back. We're still awaiting your nominations for spin of the day.

PRESS: You know, I've never seen anybody with more energy than that guy.

CARLSON: And more chutzpah. I admire it.

PRESS: You got it. All right, we'll be right back.

CARLSON: We will be.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

PRESS: It's THE SPIN ROOM on CNN. Boy, a lot going on tonight. Bill Press here with Tucker Carlson.

This, Tucker, I want to point out, is the sixth of February. You know the significance of that? It is only eight days until our favorite day of the year, which, of course...

CARLSON: It's a very significant day, (UNINTELLIGIBLE).

PRESS: ... Valentine's Day. And I noticed in "The Wall Street Journal" this morning just a little item I thought was very interesting. The National Beer Wholesalers Association just did a poll. They asked 1,000 men what gift men, what gift they would prefer most from their sweetheart for Valentine's Day. They were given the choices beer, chocolate, aftershave, or flowers.

My favorites were not on the list, I might add. But look what came out. Beer barely beat chocolate, just by 2 points.

CARLSON: Now, Bill...

PRESS: Something's happening to American men. I don't know what this...

CARLSON: Bill -- OK.

PRESS: ... means.

CARLSON: My -- you...

PRESS: I think it's significant.

CARLSON: My prediction, if the National Cheese Wholesalers Association had done the same poll, they would have found that Brie was the number one pick for all men.

PRESS: (UNINTELLIGIBLE) sell cheese, but not Brie.

CARLSON: On THE SPIN ROOM, we have different tastes. And you know what my pick would be? Jam. We received this, Annie and Dave Kime (ph) of Valentine, Nebraska, sent us a whole box of chokecherry jam.

PRESS: It's very nice, but I didn't know...

CARLSON: For Valentine's Day.

PRESS: -there was a Valentine, Nebraska. But I do want to point out, they said in their letter, "Bill and Tucker, we're responding to your solicitation for a Valentine's Day gift."

CARLSON: Ooh, ooh.

PRESS: I am hurt. We do not solicit gifts. We beg for them.

CARLSON: Beg.

PRESS: We plead for them. We don't solicit them.

CARLSON: Now, before we -- I just have to...

PRESS: My -- oh, (UNINTELLIGIBLE).

CARLSON: Before we go, I just want to defend our new president by pointing out this -- we get this from Keith from Canada, "Many thanks for sparing us the pain of an interview with our prime minister. Last week in parliament, Jean Chretien referred to George W. Bush as the prime minister of the United States."

PRESS: This is a good thing we didn't have him on.

CARLSON: So it's not just our president who makes...

PRESS: Good thing we didn't have him on.

CARLSON: ... gaffes.

PRESS: Mike from Maryland's on the phone with a quick spin of the day. Hey, Mike. CALLER: Yes, (UNINTELLIGIBLE) -- my spin of the day is, I believe Clinton's going to live to be at least 100 so he can continue to take from the American taxpayers.

PRESS: He's going to live to, live to...

CARLSON: That's a somber note.

PRESS: He's going to live to 100 so he could drive Tucker crazy. That's (UNINTELLIGIBLE)...

CARLSON: It'd work. And it is -- is it time for our spins of the day?

PRESS: It is time for spins of the day, Tucker.

CARLSON: Well, I think I'm going to go first. My spin of the day comes directly from Terry McAuliffe. Now, Terry McAuliffe gave a speech the other day in which he talked about what George W. Bush needs to do. Here's what he said.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

MCAULIFFE: George Bush says he's for election reform. Reform this. I say, park the state police cars, take down the roadblocks, stop asking people of color for multiple forms of identification, print readable ballots, open the polling places, count all the votes, and start practicing democracy in America again. President Bush, will you join me in calling for those reforms?

(END VIDEO CLIP)

CARLSON: Now, all of that was ludicrous. I'm not going to go through it point by point. But let me just point out the most ludicrous and the most -- I don't know, chuckle-worthy part of this, print readable ballots. Now, who printed the famous ballots in Palm Beach, Florida? Theresa LePore, a Democrat, not George W. Bush.

PRESS: I don't care, she is an idiot for doing it. But anyhow, I say, go, Terry, go. Compare that energy, compare that leadership to my spin of the day. And I go back to Senate president Trent Lott today, talking about tax cuts. Just listen.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

SEN. TRENT LOTT (R), MAJORITY LEADER: The Democrats don't like tax relief. They want unfair taxes taken in an unfair way from the American people to be brought to Washington and spread around in the Washington government programs the way they want it. They hate tax cuts.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PRESS: I just have to say quickly, fortunately, nobody believes Trent Lott anyhow. What Democrats hate is a tax cut where 42 percent of the benefits go to those 1 percent of Americans making over $320,000 a year. End of story. Trent Lott...

CARLSON: But Bill...

PRESS: ... get another job.

CARLSON: ... you could pay off your Bentley.

(CROSSTALK)

PRESS: I could get a new Bentley.

CARLSON: I believed every word Trent Lott said. Is that it?

PRESS: That's it for now.

CARLSON: I think we're out of time.

PRESS: But -- just for us. But you know who's coming up.

CARLSON: Just for us. That would be SPORTS TONIGHT.

PRESS: The sports people, coming up. Stay with us.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

PRESS: OK, Tucker, tonight Terry McAuliffe, pretty soon, maybe next week, we got to get on the new Republican national chairman, James Gilmore, governor of Virginia. So we'll (UNINTELLIGIBLE) tomorrow.

CARLSON: And I hope the first question out of your mouth, Bill, is, What animals have you wrestled, (UNINTELLIGIBLE)?

PRESS: I'm going to ask him.

CARLSON: I hope you do.

PRESS: Bet he never wrestled an alligator.

CARLSON: And speaking of wrestling, we're on to the sports people.

PRESS: Sports, seamless (UNINTELLIGIBLE).

CARLSON: That was pretty seamless.

Good evening, Vince.

PRESS: Hi, Vince.

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