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Ex-Stripper Discusses Her Relationship With Robert Hanssen

Aired May 21, 2001 - 21:00   ET


LARRY KING, HOST: Tonight, the ex-stripper who says accused FBI spy Robert Hanssen showered her with gifts and asked for nothing in return. Priscilla Sue Galey joins us in Los Angeles, her first live prime time interview.

And then, did police target Bill Clinton's half-brother for a drunk driving arrest? Roger Clinton's lawyer says yes. He says he has a tape to prove it. Attorney Mark Geragos joins us for an exclusive interview as well with all the evidence.

All next on LARRY KING LIVE.

We begin with Priscilla Sue Galey. Priscilla is the former stripper who claims a year-long platonic relationship with former FBI agent and accused spy Robert Hanssen. arrested in February of this year. He faces a whole host of charges, dealing with various spying for the Russians.

How, Priscilla, did you meet Robert Hanssen?

PRISCILLA SUE GALEY, INVOLVED WITH ACCUSED FBI SPY: I met him at the club where I used to work in D.C.

KING: You were a stripper at the -- what -- Joanna's 1819. That is a club near the FBI, right?

GALEY: Well, not far away. You can get there.

KING: He came in, watched you perform, and began a conversation?

GALEY: Quite by accident. He was there to do something -- he was on business. He was there to -- meet a contact of his I guess for some information, he had said. I didn't know whether to believe that or not, but...

KING: Did he tell you he was an FBI agent?

GALEY: Yeah, he told me that. But they could be telling you anything at that point.

KING: I know. When you are doing that kind of work, you hear lots of stories.

GALEY: They try to impress you, usually, so you... KING: What were first impressions of him?

GALEY: I thought he was really quiet. I mean, he was very reserved. Very actually, sort of ominous, really quiet, tall. He didn't -- he didn't seem the type of man that would be in there. That is for sure.

KING: You were surprised that.

GALEY: Yes, I was very surprised at that.

KING: Then, did he come back again?

GALEY: Yes, he did. But he said, again, he was to meet someone there, so it wasn't his -- it wasn't his norm to be in a club at all.

KING: When did a relationship or a friendship begin?

GALEY: I think almost immediately, because not only did he compliment me, I think I chased him to thank him, which he probably found really irregular, but I couldn't help myself.

KING: Thank him for complimenting you?

GALEY: To compliment. He gave me a wonderful compliment, the most beautiful compliment I've ever had in my life.

KING: What was it?

GALEY: Just something to the effect of, he never expected to see anyone with such grace and beauty in a strip club. And it was -- that was the here and there of it really. It was a long compliment, but the waitress ran in to tell me this compliment, and it was so beautiful I just had to know who had given it to me.

I immediately ran out like -- she says, I think he is leaving. I did catch him going out the door of the club to thank him, not for the money, but for the compliment, because it was really beautiful.

KING: What has prompted you, by the way, to come forward with this now?

GALEY: The FBI. You mean, what has prompted me?

KING: They investigate you. You are going to testify, I guess, huh?

GALEY: No, there is nothing to testify with.

KING: You didn't know anything about the spying.

GALEY: I had no idea about him doing any sort of thing wrong like that, no.

KING: All right, then what happened? You knew he was married and... GALEY: Yes, happily married. Devoted. He was -- had six kids, usually the second question out of my mouth when I'm talking to a new man is, are you married? And he was very proud of the fact he was married with six children.

KING: Catholic, right?

GALEY: Very devout Catholic.

KING: A devout Catholic.


KING: So he had no intentions of an illicit affair with you.

GALEY: I don't think he ever thought of that. If he did, it was an imaginary one, because he never came forward like that.

KING: Were you doing prostitution as well, Priscilla?

GALEY: No, not at all back then. I was very much a lady.

KING: Had you ever been a prostitute?

GALEY: Never, at that point.

KING: You were later?

GALEY: We're talking of the past.

KING: We're talking in the early '90s.

GALEY: Never, not a dream in the world.

KING: What turned you to that?

GALEY: I had a boyfriend who said, it turned him on, and that is a long story, bad story, but...

KING: So, it turned him on for you to be a hooker.

GALEY: That is eventually what I did for the love of this man.

KING: Was this after Mr. Hanssen?

GALEY: Oh my goodness, yes! Much later.

KING: The relationship with Mr. Hanssen was when?

GALEY: I -- you mean the...

KING: What years are we talking about?

GALEY: '91. '91.

KING: Just lasted about a year. GALEY: Yeah, I knew him about a year and a couple months total.

KING: Why did it stop?

GALEY: I left. I never intended for our friendship to stop. But due to fact when I did leave, I got into a bunch -- a mess of things, I just -- I really -- I really got into a lot of trouble in my life. Got leveled, you might say.

KING: You left Washington.

GALEY: Oh, yes, I left.

KING: Did you ever have to do time?

GALEY: I had eventually to do time, so I didn't do what they sent me to prison for, but I had to do time.

KING: What did they send you for?

GALEY: Complicity to aggravated trafficking, was the charge.

KING: To aggravated what?

GALEY: Aggravated trafficking. In other words, I was supposed to have helped somebody sell somebody drugs.

KING: Oh, that was not true.

GALEY: No. I did not help him a bit.

KING: You also have a 3-year-old son.

GALEY: I have a beautiful son.

KING: From this guy?

GALEY: From who?

KING: This guy who...

GALEY: I thought you meant Mr. Hanssen.


GALEY: Yes. The same man. Yes.

KING: Is he a good father? Does he see the boy?

GALEY: He would see the boy, he is away at the moment. He is...

KING: In prison.

GALEY: His own problems, yes.

KING: You've had a tough life, Priscilla. GALEY: Some of it has been real tough, but other -- the good outweighs the bad; it really does. I've learned a lot of lessons with the bad part, and I have a lot of wonderful memories with the good part.

KING: When Hanssen was eventually tracked down and arrested, is that when the FBI came to you?

GALEY: Yes, and I knew they would come eventually. I knew that.

KING: But you didn't know he was doing what he was doing?

GALEY: Oh, my goodness, no.

KING: Once you read of the arrest...

GALEY: I heard it on the news first briefly, and then, yes, pictures, and the newspaper articles, and...

KING: Were you shocked?

GALEY: I was devastated. Totally devastated.

KING: We will talk about the platonic relationship that they had that Priscilla Sue Galey and the accused, Robert Hanssen.


Tomorrow night, one of the great race car driver ever, and he is still very young, Jeff Gordon will be with us, don't go away.


LOUIS FREEH, FBI DIRECTOR: He is alleged that Hanssen provided to the former Soviet Union, and subsequently to Russia substantial volumes of highly classified information, that he acquired during the course of his job responsibilities in counterintelligence.

In return, he received large sums of money and other enumeration including diamonds. The complaint alleges that he received over $600,000 dollars in cash.



KING: We are back with Priscilla Sue Galey, who now lives in Columbus, Ohio, but at this time, when we're talking about, was in these occurrences, we are in Washington, D.C.

All right, how did this -- what did you want to call it -- friendship develop? How often would you see him? What happened?

GALEY: Well, we didn't have a set schedule or anything. It was just by chance. I don't know, once every couple weeks or so.

KING: He would come into the place.

GALEY: Not always. At first, he came in a few times, and after that, he would call on the phone or we were meet for lunch or something.

KING: So, he knew your home number.

GALEY: Yes, he did.

KING: Did you ever wonder why he didn't want sexual favors?

GALEY: I often wondered that, but then, I didn't really wonder too hard, because if he was a happily married man, and religious, and he made that quite clear, I really often thought, maybe, he was just trying to fill in for my father or something, or fill his shoes, because he was a really good father himself.

And I asked him to find my father once. And he wasn't successful or he didn't try, I don't know which. But I thought maybe that is why he was so -- being so good to me.

KING: But it has been revealed that he gave you $2,000 dollars to fix your teeth, right?


KING: He gave you money. Did he give you a lot of money?

GALEY: No. He gave me money when I needed it that time. At that time, he did. One other time he helped me with my bills. But he really wasn't always just handing me money. What he had to do for me was he would do things that he thought I needed to help me change my life, really.

KING: Like?

GALEY: Well, I mean, the teeth was one thing, of course. I think the car and the computer were two other stepping stones he gave me.

KING: Did he give you a car?

GALEY: He gave me a 190 new Mercedes, yes.

KING: Not bad.

GALEY: Because he said when you drive up in a Mercedes, they are not going to ask you if you go to college, they're not going to ask you anything, they are going to treat you right.

KING: So, he gave you a car. He gave you what else?

GALEY: A beautiful sapphire diamond necklace, a trip to Hong Kong. He said that was to show me my place in the world.

KING: So, you went with him to Hong Kong? GALEY: Yes -- well, I didn't go on the same flight or anything, but we were in the same hotel.

KING: He was there on FBI business?

GALEY: Yes, that is what he said.

KING: Now, some time along here, you got to say, Priscilla, the guy is going to make a move, right?

GALEY: I really thought eventually he might have gotten over his shyness or something, or maybe...

KING: Did you ask him?

GALEY: I did not ask him why he hadn't made a pass at me, or anything.

KING: Yeah, really?

GALEY: I just -- I asked him -- you know, what -- haven't you ever done anything wrong? I mean, I thought maybe he would -- it would lead him to the point where maybe if he was going to do something, he would go ahead and do it, but he -- he never did make a pass at me. I made one at him, but he never, he never...

KING: So, you liked him enough that you would have had a relationship with him?

GALEY: He was a very nice man. And I thought for one second that he wasn't a happily married man -- I would never destroy his marriage or attempted to -- but if I thought he was unhappy, I might have done that, yes.

KING: But obviously, his wife didn't know about you?

GALEY: I don't think so.

KING: He took -- you took a photo of him once, and he...

GALEY: He didn't -- he really didn't want me to keep it, no. It was so dark, nobody would have known it was him but me anyway, but...

KING: So, what did you do in Hong Kong? You went out to dinner together?

GALEY: We went to dinner every evening, and we met for breakfast, and he would go on business for the day, and I would go exploring, or shopping, or whatever.

KING: How did he introduce you to people?

GALEY: He never had to introduce me to anyone, we never met.

KING: Oh, he was never meeting anyone else?

GALEY: I had never seen him with anyone else.

KING: So, you made a couple overtures to him of which he did not respond, right?

GALEY: Only one.

KING: When you go back to the United States, he gives you cash, an American Express card -- he gives you an American Express card too, which he paid?

GALEY: Oh, yes.

KING: OK. Did you ever say to yourself: "I know agents do OK, but they don't make triple figures? How is he supporting a wife, six kids, and doing this for me?"

GALEY: That is exactly what I asked him. And he said it was an inheritance. I never questioned that. I just -- I thought someone really cared a lot about him to make sure that he was well off. He was just extremely generous, and he was so believable, I had no reason to doubt that that was the truth. Not for a moment.

KING: Did he talk to you about his family?

GALEY: Oh, yes. Yes. His wife Bonnie and his children, but it was always with a loving, caring, devoted, you know -- he never had anything but really good things to say about them.

KING: Did he talk about his faith with you?

GALEY: Yes, every chance that we could discuss religion, it was right there.

KING: Was one of his purposes, do you think, to have you not strip?


KING: Not work in a club, not do anything...

GALEY: All of the above. All of the above. He said there were three things that I should do to change my life: don't live with a man without being married, of course, quit dancing and to go to church. Those were the three rules, so.

KING: Did you follow any of them?

GALEY: No, sir. I thought that's why I lost everything. I really did. I thought: "Well, God gave me the Mercedes, and now he just took it away because I didn't do what I was supposed to do."

KING: How did you lose the car?

GALEY: It was wrecked by a city truck. It happened because I ran the light, smashed into it. And somebody who I trusted to pay the insurance on that car -- well, he wasn't paying, let's put it that way.

KING: He gave you, as I understand it, a laptop protected with a secret code?

GALEY: I don't know if there was a secret code or not, but my mother couldn't gain access to it. I didn't know how to use a computer, that's the reason he gave it to me. That was one of the things I had to do is learn how to use a computer so I could get a new job.

And my mother knew a lot about computers, so I gave it to her and I said: "Well, mom, can you show me how to use this?" She couldn't gain entry to it, so I don't know what that meant. It was...

KING: Did he show you how to use it?

GALEY: No. He wanted me to learn, that was the whole idea of giving it to me.

KING: But it had a code that you couldn't crack?

GALEY: He kept asking me, had I, you know, got -- had I learned how to use it yet, and I know that he wouldn't have been asking me that if there was no reason. I know him that well. So, he was testing me to see if I ever really learned how to -- if I had ever even tried to learn how to use it, I think.

KING: By the way, when contact ended, when you moved and hooked with this guy and got in all the problems, you never heard from him again?

GALEY: By telephone, and he came to visit one time to get the credit card back.

KING: In Columbus.

GALEY: Yes, sir.

KING: Do you know where the billing was sent to?

GALEY: I have no idea. He just said: "Don't worry about it."

KING: And you would, what? Clothes, trip...

GALEY: No, no, no, it was to be used strictly for the car purposes only, just for the car.

KING: Make payments?

GALEY: Emergency purchase...

KING: Oh, if you needed things for the car. The car was paid for.

GALEY: Right, it was for the car. KING: We will be back with Priscilla Sue Galey, what a story on this edition of LARRY KING LIVE. We will include your phone calls as well, don't go away.


LOUIS FREEH, FBI DIRECTOR: The affidavit alleges that Hanssen voluntarily became an agent of the KGB in 1985, while assigned to the intelligence division at the FBI field office in New York City as supervisor of a foreign counterintelligence squad. Hanssen allegedly began spying for the Soviets in 1985, when in his first letter to the KGB he volunteered information that compromised several sensitive techniques.



KING: We are back with Priscilla Sue Galey. Actually, he took the American Express card because you used it for something other than a car, right?

GALEY: Yes, sir.

KING: What, dresses or something?

GALEY: Easter dresses for my nieces.

KING: And he got mad?

GALEY: He never showed me that he got mad, but he was a little upset that I hadn't -- you know, followed directions, I think.

KING: So, you went to -- he came to Columbus and got it?


KING: Also, was it true that he was -- had you not met this guy, and your life goes on a downward plunge, he was going to do other things for you?

GALEY: I do believe, yes. There was a trip to France to see something called the incorrupt saint, and possibly a position. If I would have learned how to use the computer, I'm sure he could have helped me out. I really do.

KING: Gotten you a job.

GALEY: I'm not going to say "gotten me one," but he would show me the right direction to go in.

KING: Now that you know what you know about the charges against him, and now that there are charges, do you think he ever planned to use you of -- either use you for some nefarious reason, or spy nature?

GALEY: Well, that is the kind of scary question I do ask myself, and I don't know if he ever intended to do me any harm like that. But maybe by accident, I would have done it not knowingly, and I'm just I'm glad I got away before I had a chance to decide whether he was going to use me or not.

KING: And when you got arrested, you did a year in prison, right?


KING: Did you contact him to try to help you? An FBI agent might be able to help you.

GALEY: Well, I don't know about that, but my mother contacted him because there was some matter of bail money or something coming up, and I had talked to him because the charges brought against me were not legitimate, they were not real. I mean, they were not supposed to be -- I was not supposed to go to prison, I hadn't even been to jail before, and I thought maybe he could help with that. But there was absolutely nothing that he would do because of my involvement with the law then. It was just like...

KING: And he wouldn't help.

GALEY: Oh, no. He couldn't. I don't blame him.

KING: Did he say that to you, I can't help you?

GALEY: Basically. Basically. I don't blame him, though. He had a reputation of his own, and I did not want to do anything to smear that.

KING: In fact, you have nothing to dislike him about?

GALEY: I have nothing to dislike him about.

KING: He was nothing but good to you.

GALEY: Exactly. He was wonderful, a wonderful human being.

KING: And he was making this sincere effort, probably to reform you.

GALEY: He was giving me the stepping stones that, if I had a father, or knew my father, that I'm sure he would have been right there, doing the same thing Mr. Hanssen was doing for me.

KING: So obviously, he had feelings for you.

GALEY: You know, in a -- platonic sort of way, I think. Maybe as a father. I don't know, exactly. I can't describe it. But he was a very...

KING: You went out to dinner in Hong Kong. What did he talk about?

GALEY: Many different things. Many different things. His life, my life. The comparison was really diverse.

KING: Boy, were you two opposite lives.


KING: Did he tell you a lot about cases he worked on?

GALEY: He would mention different things, you know, in conversation. Now, most of those conversations -- I would not dwell on the details, because as anyone knows me, they know that the FBI scared the living daylights out of me.

KING: I would bet.

GALEY: And I didn't really want to know too much about that. I mean, I was curious, but I -- it was the same old, you know, joking manner that he would say: Oh, I could tell you but I'd have to kill you.

Well, you know, that's really not a joke.

KING: When they questioned you, it was all about whether you knew anything about what he was doing, right, when the FBI questioned you?


KING: The grand jury also, right?

GALEY: Yes, that's all, basically, they had to know. I mean, they had to find that out, of course. That was very important. I mean, if I knew anything at all, even by accident, I'd want to know.

KING: Then nothing you knew.

GALEY: No. Absolutely not.

KING: We'll be back with more. We'll include your phone calls. This is LARRY KING LIVE with Priscilla Sue Galey. Mark Geragos will be joining us later. He's the attorney for Roger Clinton, and he's got a tape, he says, that's extraordinary about the police arrest. Don't go away.


KING: We're back with Priscilla Sue Galey. Do you ever write to Hanssen, ever think of writing to him?

GALEY: Yes, I really do want to write to him. I think I'm allowed to. I don't know.

KING: You can write to any prisoner.

GALEY: Well, I wanted to wait until all this came out, because I wanted to make sure that he knew I didn't -- I never intended for any of this to be made public. I never came forward and tried to make any money on it. I just simply want his family and everyone to know that...

KING: But you didn't have to go public. I mean, the FBI didn't announce that they questioned you, and the grand jury didn't -- doesn't say who they...

GALEY: It's kind of hard not to when everyone is at your doorstep.

KING: So they knew about you?

GALEY: Yes, there was this one reporter got everything started.

KING: By the way, our staff attempted to contact Plato Cacheris, who's an old friend of mine and is the attorney for Robert Hanssen. And he did not return the calls today.

And we'll take some calls for Priscilla as well. (UNINTELLIGIBLE), New Brunswick, hello. Hello? Are you there, New Brunswick?

CALLER: Yes, I am.

KING: All right, go ahead with your question.

CALLER: OK, Priscilla Sue, why are you coming forward now?



GALEY: Well, in the beginning I had no choice. The FBI came to my front doorstep. And then the newspaper articles in "The Washington Post," and the (UNINTELLIGIBLE) dispatch. And people were hounding my mother on the phone, at the front door. I really actually had no choice. I mean, you have to tell the FBI what they want to know. And I -- it was more important for me to tell people that his relationship with me was not like everyone is obviously thinking.

KING: I imagine his wife will be understanding, at least, if she ever thought he was fooling around. He didn't with you.

GALEY: Right. This is very important to me that they knew this.

KING: Las Vegas, hello.

CALLER: Yes, thanks for taking my call.

KING: Sure.

CALLER: Priscilla, just a question: What punishment do you feel that he deserves?

GALEY: Oh, my goodness, that question is killing me already. I don't -- personally, of course, I do not want the man to die. He's a good man. He's had a lot more to offer alive than he ever would dead. And his family, you have to think about them. He has children that, even if he is alive somewhere where they can talk to him, it's some -- he's there for them. So that, to me, is a very hard question. I just can't accept the death penalty as being right.

KING: "TIME" magazine is reporting that the CIA director, George Tenet, has lobbied the attorney general against seeking the death penalty. They want him alive to be questioned at infinitum into the future. He would have a lot of information.

GALEY: Exactly.

KING: How do you feel about him now? I mean, now that you know -- if these charges are true, and again, these are charges -- supposing it's all true?

GALEY: Supposing it's all true.

KING: The man who betrayed his country.

GALEY: I want to know the reason. Now, how I do feel about that? It would have to be a very, very extenuating circumstance for me to understand. I still want to know why, because he had everything going for him. There is no reason for him to have to have turned against his country. I mean, he seemed like the one person in this country that would go to his death to protect it. I don't understand what they did to convince him.

KING: Do you ever wonder though, at the time, where did he get the money for a Mercedes?

GALEY: I wondered that all the time, but he told me it was an inheritance, so I just...

KING: And you accepted that, that he had an inheritance.

GALEY: I never had an inheritance. I don't know how much you get, or...

KING: Or that he had inheritance money, so you just accepted that.

GALEY: I accepted anything he told me as being fact.

KING: Did you ever meet other agents with him?

GALEY: No, we never did meet anyone else. There was -- we were supposed to meet someone one time. I don't even remember his name, but we never did, and I was sort of glad. I didn't want to meet any more FBI agents. He was enough.

KING: Was he doing business in Hong Kong?

GALEY: That's what he said. He was -- yes.

KING: How long were you there?

GALEY: Two weeks. KING: Two weeks.

GALEY: Two weeks. Wonderful weeks.

KING: And he would -- you would finish dinner, he'd walk you to your door at the hotel, and that's it?

GALEY: Yes, he wouldn't even walk me to my door. We'd just say good evening at the staircase, and off I go.

KING: We'll be right back with more of Priscilla. To test your knowledge on the Robert Hanssen case, log on to my Web site at We'll be right back.


KING: We are back with Priscilla Sue Galey.

Did you think, if he did this with you, there may be others that he helped, talked about religion?

GALEY: I doubt if there are any strippers, but I'm sure he must have helped a lot of people somehow. He had that in him. It seemed like second nature for him to be helpful.

I don't know. Maybe I was all wrong about him. That's why this thing is really confusing, because he turned out to be -- I hate to say this -- a liar. That's one thing I knew he never thought he did. I never thought he did anything wrong. But for that to be the main issue, now, the biggest lie was, he wasn't who I thought he was.

So, I don't know. Maybe he did have other women or people everywhere that were doing things. I don't know what to believe anymore.

KING: And you had a rough life. You had a stepfather that molested you.

GALEY: A couple of them.

KING: You were married at -- what? -- 16.

GALEY: Because of that. Yes.

KING: Divorced at -- because of that, you were married?

GALEY: I left home because of that, yes, I did.

KING: And, no training, so you started stripping. Right?

GALEY: It was topless at first. I was so shy, it took me many years to get to that point. It took me until 1980 to be able to...

KING: Wasn't prostitution hard?

GALEY: I didn't do that then. KING: I know, but when you did it.

GALEY: Oh my god. I was heartbroken. Everything I had fought against my whole life was down the tubes then.

KING: What are you doing now?

GALEY: Absolutely nothing. I'm trying to be near my son, and...

KING: Not working?

GALEY: No. Not steadily. There are temporary services.

KING: Let's take another call. Parkersburg, West Virginia, hello.

CALLER: Hello, Larry. I'm glad you have Miss Galey on as gust tonight, instead of Lou Smith.

Priscilla, do you really believe he is guilty?

GALEY: No, sir I don't. I know it's silliness. But, somewhere I have a feeling there is huge mistake or that there was a threat on his life or his family or something. I just can't bring myself to believe that he did it. I know it's silly.

I mean, if they caught him redhanded, I'm sure I would have to change that, but I just can't believe it.

KING: By the way, the caller mentioned Lou Smith. Lou Smith will be with us on Thursday night. He is the former detective called back in to investigate the Ramsey case who believes it was an intruder and not the Ramseys who committed that murder.

You head back to Columbus now. You are going to try to write a book or work with someone in writing a book. Try to rejuvenate your life?

GALEY: Yes, that's exactly what I have to do. And see, that's what I'm saying. Even though he is in prison, the man is still helping me -- think about that. I have a future secured for my son so I have to write this book. He has to know the truth. I have to make sure that this all hasn't happened in vain.

KING: Aren't Norman Mailer and Lawrence Schiller doing either a book or a movie?

GALEY: Both. Both, they say.

KING: Have they talked to you?

GALEY: Oh, yes. They were very nice -- in Boston, yes. They were nice. There's supposed to be a movie written and a book. I mean, a movie made and a book written. So, I don't know if that involves me or not. Or I don't know if it has anything to do with my future, but I know if I write my own book, I am guaranteed something to last.

KING: If the charges are true, when you heard all of this, do you ever think back to anything he may have done during that year with you that looked weird, meeting someone that was weird, or doing something funny?

GALEY: No. The only thing that I find funny, as you put it.

KING: I don't mean laughing funny.

GALEY: that he never once showed me any kind of motive, except for him just wanting to change my life. That's the only motive I ever saw. That's something, isn't it? That's something wonderful, so, I'm biased, I can't help it.

KING: His only role as you saw it was to make Priscilla Sue Galey a better person.

GALEY: I swear that was his intent.

KING: When was the last time you spoke to him?

GALEY: Oh, I'm not sure the year. But it was after I had been in and out of jail. It was sort of -- you could tell that I probably wouldn't be hearing from him any more and I never did.

KING: Did he know you had a son?

GALEY: Yes. Yes, he does. He knows I have a son. I'm not sure he knows his name or anything, but yes, he knows. but, I know, he wouldn't be getting in touch with me anymore. I could just feel that.

KING: Do you feel pain for his wife?

GALEY: I feel so sorry for that.

KING: Does he love her very much?

GALEY: Yes, he does. He loves her extremely much and his children. They are his world. That's why I do not understand why he would take any chance at all to be -- to not cooperate and not make sure he is around for them, even if he is behind bars. It's very important to have someone like him in your life if he's your father.

Fathers are very important. I know I don't have one. Or, I have one, I just don't know who he is. I needed that my whole life. I think I would be a different person today if I had someone like Mr. Hanssen as my father. I really do.

Because he is there for his kids, I know he is. And I don't understand why we let them down now. He has made a huge mistake. And I'm sure the church forgives him. I'm sure his family forgives him. But there is such a thing as giving up, and I don't think he should do that. So, he's made a mistake, he should accept that, and I don't know, just be there for his kids.

KING: It's more than a mistake if he's...

GALEY: He made a huge mistake.

KING: For a long period of time.

GALEY: See, that's what they say.

KING: Thanks, Priscilla, good luck to you.

GALEY: Thank you for inviting me.

KING: Priscilla Sue Galey. Admitting to this strange relationship with Robert Hanssen, the 25 year veteran of the FBI.

Mark Geragos, the attorney for Roger Clinton with a explosive charge is next, don't go away.


KING: Welcome back to LARRY KING LIVE.

Former President Clinton's half brother Roger is in legal trouble again, but his attorney says he's the victim of selective prosecution.

Earlier this year, Bill Clinton pardoned Roger for a 1985 drug offense. In less than a month later, he was arrested in California on charges of drunk driving and disturbing the police. The peace, rather.

Last week, he pled not guilty on all counts. Clinton's attorney says his client was targeted by authorities. Mark Geragos cites police radio transmissions during the approximately 45 minutes between when officers spotted Roger Clinton and then pulled him over on suspicion on drunken driving.

CNN has listened to the audiotapes of their transmissions during that entire time period, and Roger Clinton's attorney has released this excerpt -- want you to listen to this -- exclusively to us. Listen.


OFFICER SOLDANO: The subject that was causing the 415 at the Lighthouse, he is wearing a blue denim jacket. Should be walking eastbound. Pier Avenue. Take a look at him.

OFFICER WOLCOTT: Does he have Secret Service protection?

SOLDANO: Not really, but his brother did.


KING: Roger Clinton's attorney Mark Geragos joins us now in Los Angeles. Now, what is this -- first of all, how did you get this?

MARK GERAGOS, ROGER CLINTON'S ATTORNEY: It's very interesting. You know, when Roger first came to me, he said that that entire evening there was something that was peculiar, so to speak.

And he had had a friend who was with him that evening, and a friend had told him -- look, for approximately two hours prior to the getting pulled over, so to speak, in the car, the friend kept saying: "Look, there's somebody over that's looking, they're talking in their coat, we've got somebody over there who looks like plainclothes officers, there's cops over there, they keep following us from place to place, they're down there at the peer in Hermosa Beach."

And Roger says: "Well, I didn't think much of it, I thought the friend was paranoid, or you know, and kind of said, forget about, you know, people sometimes stare." And low and behold, he gets pull over, as he says, for absolutely nothing.

KING: So, he wasn't drunk?

GERAGOS: He wasn't drunk at all. He was not under the influence at all, and he didn't do anything to get pulled over. And we get the police reports, and the police reports say that they didn't know who he was until after they had pulled him over, they had had no contact whatsoever.

Well, I then get an anonymous letter, interestingly enough, with the return address for the Hermosa Beach police, and somebody says: "Subpoena the radio tapes from the hour before." I then get a call from somebody who was listening to the police scanner and says: "You're not going to believe what these guys were talking about."

We subpoenaed the tapes, and as you heard just now, they were talking -- this was 45 minutes before. They apparently were following him, they did know who he was, and since then they've changed their story on three occasions, the officers have.

KING: And that letter also told you that the officer had never made an arrest, a DUI arrest in 10 years because someone seriously injured, killed partner and was not convicted, so he was just never...


GERAGOS: Exactly, he was on a protest mission. He wasn't going to do anything. And it's interesting because this officer is a press information officer, and their press information officer just so happens to be out there 45 minutes before, identifying Roger Clinton with another officer.

And the interview that was given -- when I pointed this out to the lawyer, the prosecuting attorney, I said: "Look, there is something fishy about all of this. They claimed they didn't know who he was. Clearly, they did know he was. Clearly, there's traffic on the -- radio traffic where they are talking about him back and forth, and why don't you go and interview him."

So he goes and interviews him, and what do they say? Well, they're saying, no, we didn't know it was him until much, much later. Well, this puts the lie to that. So, we are waiting for version number three to come out at this point. KING: When is his trial?

GERAGOS: Well, we come up, and we are going to have a motion to dismiss on the basis of selective prosecution. That would be in about two weeks. If that isn't granted, then we will bring all of this up at trial.

KING: You will present the tape?

GERAGOS: Absolutely.


KING: Hermosa Beach is very small. What is it, 1 1/2 miles long?

GERAGOS: Hermosa Beach is not a big place.

KING: OK. It has a chief of police. I spoke with him today, and then they sent me a long letter here, from the city of Hermosa to Larry King, care of me here in Hollywood, and we will show you portions of what they said right now. Let me read this to you, so we get this.

"It should be noted," this is what they say: "That his blood alcohol level was tested, and registered 0.08/0.09, which is the threshold of making the determination of whether someone is under the influence or not."

And they also said, I want to get this all in full here: "There was no bicoastal conspiracy of police and prosecutors out to get Roger Clinton, as his attorney would have you believe. The vehicle Roger Clinton was driving was stopped because of an erratic driving pattern, typical of someone driving under the influence. The officer who made the traffic stop was acting in the due diligence of his job. He did a professional DIU investigation, and made the determination that Roger Clinton was DIU."

Then they also add: "Roger Clinton was transported to the station where he completed a breathalyzer test of his alcohol blood content which showed that, in fact, he had been driving while under the influence of alcohol. This was handled as any other DIU case. However, because Roger Clinton is the brother of the former president, he was housed separately from all other prisoners in his own cell for his safety and protection."

GERAGOS: Yeah, OK. The first thing I tell you is that the person who was with him that night, who is his witness, will tell you that he did not do any driving that was erratic whatsoever, that he was pulled over immediately.

And in fact, the thing that's probably most disturbing -- and your stuff and your producers listened to the radio tapes here -- six minutes after they identified him -- and you heard the little Secret Service protection colloquy that went back and forth between the officers -- then they ran his plate, so they knew where the car was. They ran the plate, they came back to Roger Clinton, and then, 20 minutes after that, is when they made the pull-over and the arrest.

So, you have to believe at this point that whatever they say about not knowing him, that that was a lie, that they went and they knew who he was and where the car was, and that they at first said something completely different. That was a lie, yet everything else that they're telling is the truth.

KING: Did Roger contact you because you are also the attorney for Susan McDougal?

GERAGOS: I suppose that wouldn't have hurt -- also because I'm an attorney here in Los Angeles, and that makes some sense.

KING: But I mean you got famous by representing her.

GERAGOS: Did not hurt my notoriety.

KING: Why him? Why would they just...

GERAGOS: Well, you know, Hermosa Beach is a small little hamlet. I don't know whether -- I'm not in any way suggesting it's vast right- wing conspiracy, as the chief is putting in there, or a bicoastal conspiracy, but you have got a situation here where I think the officers saw this guy, knew who he was, decided they were going to arrest him. That's their way of getting their notoriety, because they wanted to get some kind of a piece of the action.

KING: Famous pinch.

GERAGOS: Famous pinch, exactly right. Why else would they be joking around about him and coming up with this kind of a situation?

KING: And Roger insisted he was not drinking, or not drunk?

GERAGOS: Roger insists he was not under the influence. If you listen to tapes of Roger that evening, he is clearly not under the influence. People who saw him there said he was not under the influence, and you have to have some suspicion as to whether or not these so-called breathalyzer machines are accurate, and whether that was as rigged as everything else that we've seen so far.

KING: We will be right back with more of Mark Geragos. The great Jeff Gordon will be with us tomorrow night. If you want to talk to Mark, give us a call. Don't go away.


KING: We are back with Mark Geragos. Now, the law says you can't set someone up to be drinking, right? So, even if they are -- let's say he was .08, .09, whatever, you can't wait until he gets to .08?

GERAGOS: Right, the law says you can't get into a situation where you are going to just stake him out, so to speak, wait for him...

KING: You can't wait in front of a bar.

GERAGOS: Exactly. Wait in front of a bar for somebody to come out and just on a pretext arrest them at that point. Clearly, what happened here was that they were staking him out. They had followed him. They have now being caught on tape, and we've got some other tapes as well that show that they knew exactly who he was, and that they were waiting. As soon as he got in the car, they fabricated this idea that he was driving erratically, pulled him over, made the stop.

KING: And the arrest was, what, 15 minutes after they were talking like that, right?

GERAGOS: They were talking at about 1:44, and the arrest was at 2:26. And they run, prior to pulling him over and prior to him ever getting in the car, they had ran the license plate from the DMV. They've got the ability to do that. It came back "Roger Clinton." They did that at about 2:00, so 20 minutes before he got in the car, they were running his license plate already, and he was nowhere near the car.

KING: Now, erratic driving is what they're saying, yet he is denying it, right?

GERAGOS: Exactly.


GERAGOS: It is going to be the officer versus the civilian.

KING: That's like I ran a full stop, you didn't, I did, right?

GERAGOS: Exactly.

KING: And the judge has to decide who's telling the truth?

GERAGOS: The truth. Or, in this case, you get a jury. Now, in this case, the thing that makes it a little bit more compelling is you do get a jury instruction in California, and the jury instruction says: "If someone is materially false about one thing," basically, if he's lying about one thing, "he can be disbelieved in everything else."

Here, they've been caught absolutely lying not only in


KING: How can they deny that they didn't say it was his brother, when they're on tape saying who it was?

GERAGOS: Well, because they -- before the tape was released, they had already -- and I had accused them of that -- they had already staked out a position that they didn't know who he was. So now they've got to backtrack from that and come up with another version, which they've already started to do, and he tends to suggest in his letter to you.

KING: Why didn't they do the test right there?

GERAGOS: Well, that's a very good question. Why did they wait another 30 minutes to do the test?

KING: They did it at the station?

GERAGOS: They did it at the station. The station is only a couple of minutes away.

KING: Is that the way they do things at the Hermosa Beach?

GERAGOS: Normally. Normally, in Hermosa Beach, but there was an inordinate amount of time they waited. We believing that the test itself is suspect, and that .08 that came back may not have in fact even been his test. And clearly, if you listen to the tape of Roger, Roger does not appear, in any way, shape or form, to be under the influence -- as the legal definition...

KING: And the friend swears he was not.

GERAGOS: The friend says absolutely not. The friend says not only was he not under the influence, but what happened was, as soon as he got in his car, the police were about 50 feet away, across the street. immediately pulled an U, got in right behind him and then pulled him over.

KING: We'll be back with our remaining moments with Mark Geragos, the attorney for Roger Clinton. This hearing is when? June...

GERAGOS: June the 6th.

KING: We'll be right back. Don't go away.


KING: You can log on to my Web site at, and the answer to "King's Quiz" will be revealed.

Let's take a call for Mark Geragos, Seattle, hello.

CALLER: Hi, Larry.


CALLER: I have a question for Mark, and I wanted to know if it does come back a mistrial, what is punishment for the police officers?

GERAGOS: Well, if he's acquitted, or I should say when he's acquitted, or when we get this case dismissed -- because I believe, at this point, they've got absolutely no credibility -- we'll take whatever appropriate action needs to be taken. I always tell any client in any criminal setting, let's get through the criminal case first, and then we'll deal with the ramifications of it afterwards.

KING: What does he face here? Does he face jail and $2,000 fine?

GERAGOS: Yes, up to -- a fine can range up to $2,700, three to five years probation, which is summary probation. He could go to jail, but in this case, there's nothing about this case that would warrant jail.

KING: Loss of license?

GERAGOS: Loss of license for 90 days, or a restricted license.

KING: And you would agree with that, right? We should be tough.

GERAGOS: Look, if somebody is under the influence and properly pulled over, and they've been driving and you can prove it, absolutely. There's no reason in the world for -- and I don't think there's anybody, Roger included, who would disagree with that. What our objection is here, is to somebody being targeted. I don't think there's anybody who's listening to this. or you and I included, that would say we like the idea that somebody is targeted purely because of who they are or who their last name is. I mean, if his last name was McClintock, he never would have been in this situation.

KING: You're positive of that.

GERAGOS: Absolutely.

KING: Hermosa Beach police insist there's no conspiracy, they had nothing personally against him, etcetera. And probably. they're answer would be, yeah, that's Roger Clinton, that's the president's brother, but he's still driving erratically and he's still drinking.

GERAGOS: Yes. but Hermosa Beach police, remember, were also the same people who said -- publicly, and their public information officer said: We had no idea who he was until after we arrested him.

So you have to say to yourself at that point: When is it that we're going to start to believe them or not believe them?

KING: You could say: There's someone famous we know, who's driving erratically, and drunk.

GERAGOS: Sure. And if they -- and I don't think that there'd be any story here if this radio transmission had been: Look at that guy who's driving. Does he have secret service protection?

Because if he was driving and they saw it, and they knew who he was, fine. Then you've got an arrest. This is before, when he's walking. It appears that they are following him. They clearly run the license plate prior to pulling him over, and prior to him getting into the car. That's what makes this whole thing stink.

KING: Now, the anonymous letter, it came from the police department?

GERAGOS: Which is an amazing thing. Somebody, obviously, in the police department, doesn't like what's going on here. They sent me the anonymous letter. It's got a return address of the Hermosa Beach police department. It pinpoints the exact time that I was to subpoena the tapes. Sure enough, when I subpoenaed the tapes, it comes back right in the same time period. Sure enough, the other information that they gave -- and I showed you the letter -- all carries out.

KING: How many people on that police department?

GERAGOS: Boy, that's a good question. At least that night, there were at least six of them out there.

KING: Columbus, Ohio, last call, quickly. Hello.

CALLER: Yeah. My question to the attorney is what would be the advantage of the police officers jeopardizing their career in order to pick out a prominent citizen? It just doesn't add up.

GERAGOS: Well, except you have to understand -- did the police officer ever think that this tape was ever going to be revealed, or that anybody would know enough to look for the tape that would show an hour before, or 46 minutes before, that they knew who he was.

KING: And they didn't think someone in their own department would squeal.

GERAGOS: Right. They never though they were going to be betrayed.

KING: So you would not have thought of getting this.

GERAGOS: Exactly. Why was I going to call those tapes in at this point?

KING: That's right. How would you even...

GERAGOS: You wouldn't know about it. I don't have clairvoyance. If I did, I'd be at the track, not sitting here.

KING: Thank you, Mark.

GERAGOS: Thank you, Gary.

KING: Mark Gerag -- Geragos -- I had it right all night, and I almost had it wrong -- the attorney for Roger Clinton. You may remember him as the attorney as well for Susan McDougal.

Jeff Gordon's going to be with us tomorrow night. What an extraordinary guy. Here's a guy who nearly got killed on Saturday, and then wins another Winston Cup race on Sunday. The dynamic young Jeff Gordon, the talk of auto racing for the last five, six years.

Stay tuned now for "CNN TONIGHT." I'm Larry King. For our guests this evening, thanks for joining us, and good night.



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