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Free-For-All-Friday

Aired August 10, 2001 - 15:00   ET

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GEORGE W. BUSH, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: This allows us to explore the promise and potential of stem cell research without crossing the fundamental moral line.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I am very happy with his decision.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I am cautiously optimistic.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's like doing science with one hand tied behind your back.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There's just no way that that jury was going to convict that man, and it was a farce.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I think there's not only a racial divide, I think there's a racial gulf in perception.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I think that the police did plant evidence and did mishandle the case, but I also think that O.J. did kill Nicole.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He plans to write a comprehensive and candid book.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You know, he might just say something that is a little out of the box, that's a little unusual.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I have to leave because they don't like me breast feeding. She said, again, I think it will be best if you leave, and you leave now.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Interesting that we need a law to be able to say to moms you can actually do that in our society.

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BOBBIE BATTISTA, HOST: Politics, science, ethics, and race, and a little bit of Bill Clinton thrown in. It is "Free-For-All Friday."

Hi, everybody, and welcome to "Free-For-All Friday." We'll cover a whole lot today, from stem cell research to breast feeding in public.

First up: stem cells. A Gallup snapshot poll taken immediately after President Bush's speech on funding embryonic stem cell research last night shows that half of Americans approve of his decision, 25 percent do not, and still another 25 percent aren't sure what to think. I have no doubt our panel of radio talk show hosts knows what to think.

With us today: in Washington, Joe Madison, a.k.a. the Black Eagle, he can be -- hey, Joe. He can be heard on WOL Radio in Washington. Kevin Miller is here with us in Atlanta, and you can hear him on WERC in Birmingham, Alabama. Kevin, good to see you. Joyce Kaufman from WFTL in Miami. Joyce, good afternoon. And former Congressman Peter Blute of WRKO in Boston is there.

Peter, are you still having audio problems, can you hear me or no? Can't hear me, so we'll take care of those and fix those in just a minute so Peter can join in our conversation here. All right. What do you guys think of the president's decision last night? Kevin, I'm starting with you, because I know that you are kind of upset about it. Do you feel betrayed or something?

KEVIN MILLER, WERC RADIO TALK SHOW HOST: Yeah, you know, the president talks about it was a struggle between technology and morality, and I agree with the whip of the House, which would be Tom DeLay, which is we're on a road where we really don't know where we are going as far as what's next. We're talking about harvesting embryos, we're talking about this, we're talking about that. Michael J. Fox gets on "Good Morning, America" and talks about it and makes his passionate plea about curing everything and all that.

And I agree if there's a chance, but what is the cost? And that is the big issue here when we're talking about what the president did. Bobbie, you talked about an opinion poll. We don't rule by mob rule, and hopefully this president will essentially have the conviction to stand by his principles. He's kind of back pedaled on it right now when he's talking about the ability of, well, I promised during the campaign, but things have changed. What has changed, President Bush? What has changed? Where are your principles?

BATTISTA: Joyce, you are the opposite of that, you think he didn't go far enough.

JOYCE KAUFMAN, WFTL RADIO TALK SHOW HOST: Oh, absolutely. And you know, my goodness, if Jerry Falwell was happy with that, it's hard to believe anybody else wouldn't be happy. Personally, I think that, you know -- first of all, there are so many questions.

When I looked at that poll you just showed, 25 percent of the American people are unsure how they felt about that speech. I think it's probably significant, because most people don't even know what stem cells are. I think it's odd that the defining moment of this presidency was an address to the nation about stem cell research. What happened to like the patients' bill of rights, what happened to taxes, what happened to all the issues that he campaigned on? I never heard anything.

MILLER: Well, the patients' bill of rights was passed by the House a couple of weeks ago, wasn't it? That's a victory. A tax cut. Everyone here will get a tax cut, thanks to President Bush. He kept his word. Here we go. Everybody likes money, come on!

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KAUFMAN: ... you said he didn't keep his...

MILLER: Let's be honest! That's what it's about. It's about honesty.

KAUFMAN: Well, why didn't he address the nation about those things? This seems like a cheap trick to show he wasn't on vacation in Texas.

BATTISTA: Let me get Joe in here quickly. Joe, it seemed to me when I was watching last night and the president announced the decision that he had made, that it was almost the obvious compromise for him. It's something we hadn't even talked about on the show yesterday.

JOE MADISON, RADIO ONE TALK SHOW HOST: I think you are absolutely right. If I were a conservative, I would be upset. I mean, he ran on a plank of the Republican platform that he would not be in favor, so they have been, quite candidly, they have seen the okey-dock in President Bush exercised yesterday, and I can understand why they would be upset.

But it's interesting. He's done something almost Solomon-like. In other words, he's taken this baby, and he's waiting now to see who is going to scream the loudest. Will it be the right-to-lifers? Will it be the scientists?

And now what's going to happen is there will be a tremendous amount of lobbying in Washington, D.C. -- scientists, entertainers, people who want to see this research will be coming forth, and those who want President Bush to keep his promise he made while getting elected will now start lobbying. So he's cracked the door for everybody to go through, and he's going to wait and see who swings the door wide open.

BATTISTA: So, it boils down to almost a non-decision, then. I mean, he really hasn't progressed this too much farther than where we were.

MILLER: Bobbie, you can't make anybody happy. The bottom line here is, just like his father who said "no new taxes," he said during the campaign, "no stem cell research," he's capitulated.

Let's face it, he's up against powerful odds. You've got the media, you've got Michael J. Fox, Mary Tyler Moore on the morning shows. I mean, who was the most popular person today? It was Karen Hughes and Michael J. Fox. There is enormous pressure on the president to do something. This is what he did, it was a compromise, but everybody loses.

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BATTISTA: ... most of those people, though -- I have to say last night Mary Tyler Moore was one of the first to react to the president's speech -- most of those people seemed pretty happy with the decision.

MILLER: Well, the door is open. Pandora's box, it's -- I mean, this is the beginning. And we're talking about harvesting -- do you notice the verbs here? Harvesting -- do we harvest wheat, do we harvest corn or are we going to harvest humanity? That's the point.

MADISON: Look, you also have something else going here, and that is research, scientific advancement. And I know that we are going down a road that we may not know where we end, but that's exactly what science is all about. I'm very sorry, but you know, I do feel sympathy for people whose spines have been severed, and there's a possibility you might be able to cure them. I am concerned about a cure for juvenile diabetes. And if these types of scientific advancements can cure these diseases, then quite candidly, I think there ought to be at least what President Bush has said, some limited research.

MILLER: But Joe, when you are talking about the issue of that I'm not concerned -- I'm concerned about it, Christopher Reeve is concerned about it, everyone is concerned about it. The big question is, did the ends justify the means? And when we talk about research -- yes, we could cure a lot of things speculatively, but where is the proof? You know, whatever translates to rodents doesn't necessarily translate to humans.

KAUFMAN: But let me ask you a question...

BATTISTA: Let me get Peter in here, you guys, I think we fixed his audio problems. I want to get Peter's opinion on this. Go ahead, Peter.

PETER BLUTE, WRKO RADIO TALK SHOW HOST: Yeah, I think President Bush struck the right compromise last night, as far as it goes. I think it's important that he balanced interests on this issue, it's a difficult for the entire country, for him. He recognized the fact that stem cells come from developing human beings and that they shouldn't be experimented on in a way that doesn't make sense or that is unethical.

But at the same time, there is great promise, according to all the scientists who have looked at this in terms of research, so I think he struck the right balance.

KAUFMAN: But wait a second, but these developing human beings that you are talking about, these embryos, were produced in an artificial scientific environment. In vitro fertilization is not God's will.

BLUTE: That doesn't make them any less human, though, after that happens. Does it?

KAUFMAN: No, no, but conception takes place when the sperm and the egg unite, or when they unite and attach to the uterus wall? You guys have to get the story straight.

MILLER: Thanks for the lesson in biology.

BLUTE: The genetic mix -- the genetic mix happens...

MADISON: She is a woman, she ought to know.

BATTISTA: Well, you know...

BLUTE: The genetic mix happens immediately.

BATTISTA: ... one of the big questions that still remains for me, though, is that all of these embryos that are set for being discarded, for example. Is this worse than just throwing those away?

MILLER: Well, I think what we are looking at here, Bobbie, is when we're talking about discarded, we don't know that they are going to be discarded. All of a sudden, I mean, we're going to say, we start with the ones that are going to be discarded, then all of a sudden we're going to have people being solicited to donate parts of their anatomy to harvest parts of -- what, their heart or what have you. I mean, that's how it starts.

BATTISTA: But the other side of that coin is that people are going to start soliciting women who have been to fertility clinics and have extra embryos -- you know, can I have your extra embryos so that I can have kids?

MILLER: Yeah, for a cash reward.

BATTISTA: That is weird, too.

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KAUFMAN: It's not like there's not going to be stem cell research going on in America. It's only a matter of whether tax dollars will be used to pay for it.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That's right.

KAUFMAN: So, let me ask you -- are the brightest and best scientific minds living inside of universities and being funded by federal dollars?

MADISON: I'm glad -- I'm glad some of you guys were not around when Columbus decided to sail the ocean blue, give me a break.

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MILLER: Come on.

MADISON: You come on. You are sitting there happy and healthy and there are people who have children who are suffering who need this type of research,

BLUTE: Just because some of Hitler's doctors did research that created positive things going forward doesn't mean it was justified in using human beings in that way.

KAUFMAN: Are you comparing what is going on in our laboratories to Nazis?

BATTISTA: I don't know if the research was diabolical in that situation as much as the researchers were diabolical in that German situation there.

MADISON: Thank you.

BATTISTA: To the audience -- Mary. MARY: Yes. I do agree with President Bush's decision last night because of the way he compromised. I have a 28-year-old son, and her grandson that is paraplegic and if there's a small chance that my son would be able to have any feeling, and be able to walk, I am for it even though I am -- abortion...

BATTISTA: You are Catholic and you have concerns. Tim, you have concerns.

TIM: Yes...

KAUFMAN: What if the stem cell line we need for the research in this particular area, you know, paralyses and spinal cord injuries, wasn't one of those 60? What if it still waiting to be discovered? Are you happy that now no dollars will go towards funding that kind of research?

MILLER: Why don't we have prisoners donate all their parts and cells and such, and let's just start human experimentation?

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BATTISTA: We go to Tim in the audience -- Tim.

TIM: I'm concerned about stell cem (sic) just form the perspective that the human body has been evolving over tens of thousands of years, and we are just injecting cells from embryos into people's brains. And how do we come to do something like that? The body has been evolving in response to the environment that we live in, and what we are doing is basically genetically engineering or re- engineering the body, and I don't know what consequences are going to have.

There might be some short term benefits, but what are the consequences for our grandchildren?

BATTISTA: All right, we have to take a quick break here. We will continue with this topic just a little bit longer. Do you agree with President Bush's decision on embryonic stem cell research?

Take the TALKBACK LIVE online viewer vote at CNN.com/TALKBACK, AOL keyword CNN. While there check my note and send an e-mail. We'll continue with stem cell research and talk about the president's summer vacation right after this.

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BATTISTA: We are back. A phone call from Mary in Illinois. Mary, go ahead.

MARY: Hi, Bobbie. I would like to say, I thought the president was brilliant with his speech last night. I was very impressed with his decision. It was very thoughtful. I'm pro-life. I think he struck a perfect cord.

BATTISTA: All right, Mary. Thank you. Let me do a couple e- mails quickly. Jeremy in New York says, "I think Bush's decision was an excellent compromise. A lot of the complaints are coming from people who would complain no matter what President Bush's decision was, simply because it was his decision."

Shelly in Indiana says, "Bush lost two votes, mine and my husband's. He said he would vote against embryo research and it took him only a few months to go back on his word. In a nutshell, he lied."

This rather poignant one, Joe, and I will let you jump in, Dorothy in Florida says, "At five days old, I was the subject of medical research at Harvard Medical School. There was no other hope. My sister the previous year had died at five days old. My parents gave permission to experiment. Because of that, not only am I alive, but so are millions of other babies."

My goodness.

MADISON: The only thing I was going to say is that one of the first -- the first job of any elected official after they've been elected is to get reelected. That's the first job. So what Bush did, and I didn't vote for Bush, but I think that his decision was a smart one. He cracked the door for everybody to go through, so those who are opposed, you better get on buses and come onto Washington and those who are in favor, you need to do the same thing because quite candidly, it's now in the hands of Congress.

MILLER: I think the first thing public officials do when they are elected is to serve the public. It's not about reelection, and this is a president that said that said that he didn't have to be president, he's serving the public, you are being real...

MADISON: I'm just being real, that's what --

MILLER: It's not about being real, it's about keeping your word.

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MILLER: And you know President Bush was talking about -- Joe, I didn't interrupt you...

MADISON: Oh, please, you have been interrupting all day long, don't go there.

MILLER: Give me the benefit of the doubt here, OK, thank you -- anyway, back to the point, the issue -- don't go there, I'm just asking you to be polite, is that too much to ask, apparently so.

Back to the point, Bush last night talked about a book, Huxley's "Brave New World" which was written in 1932. In that book he described people being raised in hatcheries, a pill to make you feel happy, a pill to make you feel sad, a pill to make you sexually aroused, a pill to depress you. He described our society today. It was a very, very poignant point last night that Bush did go back to Huxley's. That is what we are going to. We are impersonalizing humanity and that's the issue that people are upset about. KAUFMAN: He also used the term pre-embryo, now what do you have to say about that, embryo or a pre-embryo?

BLUTE: Bobbie, I don't think it is bad thing for a president occasionally to have both sides of the political extremes mad at him because he clearly thought it through, and there is gray area here. It is a complicated issue, and the fact that he's getting hit from both sides, I think is a sign that he did the right thing.

BATTISTA: Let me move this forward just a little bit. Did anybody think it was curious or significant that he made this announcement from his ranch in Crawford on this month-long vacation?

BLUTE: I could have done about the birds, I think.

BATTISTA: Those birds were distracting behind the window.

KAUFMAN: And does he usually wear a suit at the ranch in Crawford?

BATTISTA: Well, it seemed a little odd, but..

KAUFMAN: It was odd.

BATTISTA: But you think any sort of political reason for that.

KAUFMAN: Absolutely. God bless the consultants who said we can make you look presidential even on your vacation, which by the way, does anybody out there get a vacation after six months at a job, never mind a 30-day vacation? This is a man who just had a physical. He has a 46 resting pulse rate, which is better than Michael Jordan. He doesn't need a vacation. He needs to get to work.

BLUTE: He's the president of the United States, give him a break.

MADISON: We've had presidents who have made announcements on vacation, on boats. This is nothing new. We should be used to it by now.

BLUTE: The Clintons every year up in Martha's Vineyard had a whole entourage up there for weeks at a time.

BATTISTA: Well, except I think Clinton never took anything longer than three weeks, and it was like in his second term. But they are different people as we know. They have a different work approach, shall we say. There are people who are concerned, Kevin, even conservatives about him taking a month, six months.

MILLER: I think the big deal is the president never gets away from being president. Everything that he can do in Washington he can do in Crawford. And as Peter pointed out, people didn't get upset when Bill Clinton was sailing with the Kennedys. The problem here is it is not very romantic or idealistic to go out and rope cattle or to chop wood. Ronald Reagan did it. But that's the big issue. People can't get excited about it. A month off it's the most demanding job in the world. God bless him, he deserves it.

KAUFMAN: Does he get a month off every six months?

BATTISTA: You know what, Joyce, we were saying that the one positive that may come out of this is that maybe America will look at itself a little differently. We are the only country, it seems, in the civilized world that push our work ethics to the extent that we do. And it is really not unusual at all for most people, and the rest of the world to take a month off. It's only an American thing that we don't like that.

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KAUFMAN: I'm going to tell the owner of my radio station that I can do the show from my house, so if I can go home for four weeks we could still have the same caliber show. Do you think he will buy that?

MADISON: I'm trying not to interrupt so I don't get accused of being impolite, but what I'm saying to you, we just had a news anchorman, didn't he just take the entire summer off -- Tom Brokaw. Gee, rough job. The bottom line is, I am here in Washington. Nobody is in Washington but me. The Congress is off.

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BATTISTA: We are ringing the bell. You are right, there is nothing going on in Washington in August. Bill Maher on "Politically Incorrect" the other night said this -- and I'm using it as a segue as we go to break here -- he said, Bush always looks like he just took a nap; Clinton looks like he stayed up all night; and I think both are probably true.

We are going to take a break. In a moment, getting your fill of Bill, we will tell about his memoirs and we will ask you if you think those will satisfy your curiosity.

And if that's not enough, Bill Clinton trading cards could be coming to a pack of gum near you. I'm sure you'll want one for your billfold. We will be back in just a moment.

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BATTISTA: Welcome back. There he was again this week, front and center, former President Bill Clinton gets a $10 million book deal. It's the most ever advanced for a non-fiction book. And, of course, you have to wonder what it'll take for the publisher to get its money's worth.

Also, now on the streets of Hot Springs, Arkansas, Bill Clinton trading cards, part of an ad campaign. They're being handed out to locals so they can be passed around like business cards. You guys, breaking up with Bill here. Why is it so hard to do -- Joyce? KAUFMAN: Because he was so much fun, no matter how the conservatives beat up on him, he always showed up with a big smile on his face, and the American people no matter what, like this guy.

The only thing I don't understand is, why trading cards? And if they are going to have trading cards is there going to be like a Monica series and a Hillary series?

BATTISTA: I don't know.

KAUFMAN: I want to see the one with the cigar.

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BLUTE: I'm sure kids all over America will have shoe boxes full of these cards under their mattress.

BATTISTA: Yeah, Beatle cards, remember those, kind of the same thing. The press does kind of treat him like he's Elvis, but you know, I was going to say, even conservatives have to miss him to some degree, Kevin. There was an awful lot of fodder for you there.

MILLER: No, I don't think so. I wish Bill Clinton would just go away. He seems to be something like a sociopath. Come on, the guy cannot let it go. Get a life, Bill.

And when we talk about that Bill Clinton was so great, he did everything with a smile on his face, I recall when he said I did not have sex with that woman. I don't think he was smiling then, was he?

KAUFMAN: Well, that wasn't a laughing matter.

MILLER: How to lie to Congress, cheat on your wife, great.

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BLUTE: And do we really expect that...

KAUFMAN: It was more exciting than the address from Crawford, Texas on stem cell research, I will tell you that.

BATTISTA: Peter, you are break up there. Must be sunspots or something.

KAUFMAN: The real question is what is he going to say in this book, because I'd pay $100, $200 for a book if he tells the whole story.

BATTISTA: You don't think he's really going to -- he's got a legacy to be concerned about.

MILLER: He is going to tell his side of the story, how Congress beat him, how Ken Starr was out to get him, how Monica Lewinsky was a Republican operative: rationalization, projection.

KAUFMAN: Really? (LAUGHTER)

BATTISTA: Joe, would you read the book?

MADISON: I don't have to, I will get a promo copy.

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MADISON: This is America, $10 million.

KAUFMAN: Let me ask the gentleman in Atlanta, would you interview him?

MADISON: I'm sorry?

KAUFMAN: Let me ask the gentleman in Atlanta, who gets all excited all the time, would you interview Bill Clinton when the book comes out? Is that an interview you want?

MILLER: Well, you know, when you start telling lies, somebody has to hold you accountable.

KAUFMAN: So he is good fodder, isn't he? We miss him and you know it.

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MILLER: No, not really.

MADISON: He's not good fodder, he's good ratings. That's why he will interview him, because everybody will tune in to hear you interview him. He's good ratings.

MILLER: I think there's a little bit more to life than ratings, though.

MADISON: Tell that to your program director.

MILLER: Am I saying I wouldn't interview him, of course I would interview him, but the bottom line here is he's never going to do that. What he is going to do is go out to these events, sign books and everybody is going to forgive him. He's the second president ever to be impeached but nobody holds him accountable for it and that's why we have a problem with the congressman in California, because we let Bill Clinton get away with it. That is the problem.

We can boo and we can do whatever, but the bottom line is we didn't hold him accountable.

MADISON: I think the reality is that we did hold him accountable. There was an impeachment. We had the Supreme Court justice, the chief Supreme Court justice. We went through hours and days and months of court and legal. There was an attempt to hold him accountable. The system worked. You just didn't beat him. Now here's the bottom line -- he's not going to convince anybody who doesn't like him, with this book, to like him. And he's not going to have very many people who are going to change their mind of those who don't like him. The bottom line is, guys, move on, just move on. Get a life.

MILLER: Joe, the thing about it, we used to penalize people for shame. Now we promote them. Look at Monica Lewinsky. She is a big star. What did she ever do?

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... you know, my goodness! You're the only one fixated on breasts. The woman discreetly had a blanket over her. Now if you -- you know, she can breast-feed me any day. I'm just simply saying to you...

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MADISON: Well, you can tell by the pictures. And if you read the newspaper articles, you would have found -- that's why Kmart told her she could come back and breast-feed. Get a life guy!

BATTISTA: Joe, we have a statement...

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MADISON: ... get a life, guys.

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BATTISTA: Wait, wait, let me dot the Kmart statement...

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BATTISTA: There's the statement: "We have questioned our associates and management team. They have indicated that they did not witness this event, nor did they ask Ms. Gordon to leave. Kmart's policy is to endure the comfort of all our customers, and we make every effort to do so on a daily basis.

"It is not against our policy for customers to nurse their children within our stores, and we would not ask someone to leave for that reason."

She, by the way, is considering a lawsuit from what I understand, but I don't know.

MILLER: The gilded age of litigation. That's what we live in: got a problem, sue.

BLUTE: Our governor in Massachusetts has created lactation rooms up at the statehouse. That probably makes some sense, so that women who are breast-feeding can use them in privacy. I think most women who are breast-feeding don't want to do it out in front of the all the guys at the lunch counter.

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BATTISTA: But a lot of the times, though, you're right, they have no choice.

MADISON: To be pro-life, you amaze me. This is the most life- giving thing you can do: feed a baby when it's hungry. Will you guys please get off the sensation of a nipple and let the baby do it

MILLER: Why don't they do it at home?

MADISON: Because the baby won't wait until it gets home!

KAUFMAN: Why do I have to stay home, because I have a baby?

BATTISTA: Let me go to the audience you guys. Miti (ph), go ahead. And happy birthday Mity?

MITY: Thank you.

I don't see anything wrong with it. I'm from the old school. I've breast-fed mine.

But what about on Late TV, you see women all showing their breasts everywhere. What's the difference in giving life for a child and women that are out there showing their breasts on TV? What's the difference? I mean, it's not embarrassing. You see them, you know what they are.

MILLER: Late TV is a little different than the lunch counter at Kmart when you're just trying to pick up some oil.

MITY: But it's for a purpose: It's to give life.

KAUFMAN: Why are you picking up oil at the lunch counter?

MADISON: Yes, what do you eat for lunch?

MILLER: That was good.

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BATTISTA: And Karen (ph) -- we'll get the last comment from Karen.

KAREN: I think it's a very natural process, I nursed my oldest son for two years, and I did it anytime and whenever, wherever I wanted to do it.

BATTISTA: All right, we've got to go to break. And we'll check the online viewer vote right after this.

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BATTISTA: OK, let's check the online viewer vote. The question today was: Do you agree with President Bush's decision on embryonic stem cell research? And the vote came out this way: 65 percent are saying they do agree with it; 35 percent say they disagree with it.

We've got one last comment here on any and all topics? Go ahead, Dave (ph).

DAVE: Sure. About stem cell research, I say let's keep it simple. You look back, people today are healthier, living longer, quality lives, and it's because of science, a lot of that. I say if this is going to help get people well and live a longer life, let's go for it.

BATTISTA: And I think that's about all of the time that we got here. I think we're out of time.

But Joe Madison, Kevin Miller, Joyce Kaufman and Peter Blute, thank you all very much for joining us. It's been fun.

Also thanks to our audience for being with us. The show will be back on Monday at 3:00 Eastern. I'm on vacation next week, so I'll see you when I get back. Take care.

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