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Can John Edward Speak to the Dead?

Aired September 10, 2001 - 21:00   ET


LARRY KING, HOST: Tonight, he says he can talk to the dead and his claims of psychic powers and other extraordinary abilities will spark some scathing skepticism. John Edward, compelling to some, controversial to others. The host of "Crossing Over" is here to answer your questions and take your calls. And he is next on LARRY KING LIVE.

It's a pleasure to welcome John Edward back to "LARRY KING LIVE." He's the host of the newly syndicated show "Crossing Over", and he's the author of "Crossing Over: The Stories Behind the Stories." There you see the cover. That book on this Sunday -- in this Sunday's edition of "The New York Times, " will be No. 3 on "The New York Times" bestseller list. The success of the cable show and the new book and now he's in syndication -- everything is jumping up for John Edward. A lot of it started here, right?

JOHN EDWARD, HOST, "CROSSING OVER:" A lot started right here, yes.

KING: What happened?

EDWARD: What happened was my first book, called "One Last Time" was coming out, and it was he going released in trade paperback. I talked about in the book as far as the power of the media, how one interview here and that book then was going to be released in hard cover, and then was released in hard cover, and just kind of snowballed.

KING: The syndicators saw you on this show, right?

EDWARD: A lot of people saw me on this show.

KING: Now you're a star.

EDWARD: I don't know about a star, but a lot of people -- I was on vacation in the Caribbean and people were coming over and they would be like, "We see you on LARRY KING all the time."

KING: How has that change affected -- what has it done to you?

EDWARD: I think that the -- for me, the hopeful obvious changes, that more people are being forced -- or are hopefully given the opportunity to kind of look at the subject matter. By watching "Crossing Over" they are able to, kind of in the comfort of their own home, say, "Maybe yes, maybe no. I will evaluate as the viewer and I'll wonder how this possible." Then hopefully how it overflows into their lives.

For me personally it's -- I'm doing the same thing. I just want people to know about it.

KING: This program has no agenda. Therefore it has -- we are open on anything, right? That is the only way to be fair. If I come in preconceived then I'm not doing you any justice nor the audience.

EDWARD: Right.

KING: But it's easy to be skeptical about this.

EDWARD: I think...

KING: I've never seen a dead person.

EDWARD: I have seen lots of dead people. I think what we need to look at is the definition of what is a dead person. For me, I think that it is important for us to talk about -- just me as a person -- my belief system. I was born and raised Catholic, and I consider myself to be religious.

I have a belief in God. And I think it's more of an energy work that I define this in. So for me I think it comes from, you know, God and that force. And being able to help deliver a message that I find very positive, peaceful, to help bring closure and healing. When person is at the right person to be able to accept that -- and I'm very clear on saying that I don't consider myself a grief therapist, I don't see myself as being a counselor. I think that this can be helpful. You can help people in their process when it's the right time, but I don't want people to think, lose a relative, find a medium. Life goes on.

KING: Do you find the press has been fair, not fair, what?

EDWARD: I think it depends upon the press.

KING: You have been written up in "The New York Times." You've been written about in "Time" magazine. "New York Times" did a piece on you in their Sunday magazine. Were they fair?

EDWARD: I think people try to be fair. But I think that they are afraid. I mean, there are a number of journalists that I have actually after the fact have called up, and like said to them, "What's the deal? You were at this group. You know what went down."

You know, there was one journalist who brought people to a group and the two people he brought -- there was no way possible I would be able to know who they were. I broke out the best reading of the entire session and it never made it into the article. I had called him on that and said, "Why not?"

KING: What did he say? EDWARD: It wasn't the voice of the paper upon which he was writing for, so he wouldn't be able to give his opinion like that. I said, well, then how was that journalism? I didn't find that as being fair. I said, "Listen. If I'm going to go around saying that I talk to dead people for a living, I always joke around and say I have got a bullseye on my butt." I've got to understand that the arrows are going to come flinging.

KING: On your show you do readings of people in the audience, right? "Time" magazine suggested that because the show is edited, you could have played with it.

EDWARD: Constantly. I think that has been something that any -- that's not the case. It is a television show. And from one session, there are multiple shows that actually come out of that. So in some cases, yes, absolutely, it's edited for time, not for content.

KING: Not edited to make you look right on every one.

EDWARD: No. Actually, the flip opposite. Sometimes I think, you know, people who have been in the gallery who have come to a session, who will like -- will be there for the entire taping, when they see the show that they were at, the first thing I always hear is, "Why not? How come their uncle didn't come in, and how come this didn't happen?" So I think it's subjective to what the people identify with.

KING: One critic said you were a master of cold readings, that is, you can take people who are a little gullible and pick up on them right away, as kind of an innate ability.

EDWARD: Actually, let's take that one step further. It seems now with success of "Crossing Over," it's not just cold readings. I guess the more accurate readings. There is warm readings and hot readings and hopefully soon we'll have boiling readings. I don't know. It's the cold reading thing is throw out as a much information as you possibly can. Anybody who is familiar with what a legitimate medium psychic like myself does, you stick to the information. And I'm very cool. I have said the first time, sometimes I get it right, sometimes I get it wrong but I get it.

KING: Can you give us the first instance in your memory that you contacted someone who had passed on?

EDWARD: My aunt, if she's watching at home right now, is probably cringing in her chair. My Aunt Anna actually had, when I was very -- you know -- baby medium, still starting out...

KING: A baby medium? That had to be funny.

EDWARD: My aunt said, "You're doing this new fortune telling thing. Why you don't take me in the back room?

KING: How old were you?

EDWARD: 16, 17. KING: What happened?

EDWARD: She -- you know, I didn't think she was taking me seriously, and she was kind of like placating me. This was something I was taking -- I was taking myself seriously at the time -- and my mom looked at me like, go ahead. Do it. You can do it. And I wanted so strongly to be able to kind of like say, this real. And I start doing what I was thinking was just going to be a regular psychic reading, what's going on now in your life, what's coming up for her. And when I opened my eyes very quickly, standing behind her I got this glimpse of this woman. I described her, and the way I described her was that it looked like my uncle -- her husband's -- sister, but a little bit different. And I went down to...

KING: She was dead.

EDWARD: She was dead. What she looked like -- and she had described -- well, she showed me a rose brooch. When I described that my aunt went from looking at me like, "I don't see a lady standing behind me" to white. This woman -- her mother-in-law had been dead for a number of years. And there was no way possible that I would be able to know this information. And it was a validation, which I think is the key to any type of psychic information. It has got to be validated.

KING: Doesn't it -- when you walk down the street, you see people over everybody's shoulder?

EDWARD: Absolutely not. Thank God.

KING: You can tune it in and out?

EDWARD: I think you have to. I think it would be like you walking down the street, stopping people and interviewing them.

KING: Why can't you do that?

EDWARD: I can also, but it is not appropriate in this work, because if you just walked over to somebody and said by the way, you know, Grandma Ethel is standing behind you..."

KING: Doesn't it drive you nuts if you see Grandma Ethel behind every person walking down the street?

EDWARD: It does happen. It is a little -- because there is a responsibility of do I say something, do I not say something. It's delicate. There is a responsibility here. What if that person is not in the position to be able to receive that.

KING: John, why is everybody that is passed on seem to be OK? And every person you give the message to everything is fine? In other words, there is no trouble, in never neverland.

EDWARD: I wouldn't say that. I think the majority of the times people come through, they are coming through in positive way to kind of like let people know that are still in the physical world that they are OK. You know, there is this major joke in my family. My sister- in-law is constantly, constantly belting my chops, saying, "How could they be OK? They're dead. How can they be OK? It's like a big running joke.

KING: ...problems continue, or...

EDWARD: Along that line, it's a state of like consciousness, of being able to define when they're coming through. The last time they were here they -- it was physical ending, the demise is looked at or deemed negative by us. Them coming through is trying to say, I still exist, I'm beyond that.

KING: They're not in a physical place?

EDWARD: They are in an energy place.

KING: What do you see when you see them?

EDWARD: I see -- I don't see them. I get images in my head.

KING: But you saw (UNINTELLIGIBLE) standing by you.

EDWARD: In that case, I did -- a very quick flash in mind.

KING: So sometimes you do see them.

EDWARD: In the beginning. Not now. Now I get flashes, pictures, words, thoughts.

KING: We'll be right back with John Edward. "Crossing Over" is No. 3 this Sunday in "The New York Times." His TV show is in syndication. We'll take a lot of your phone calls. Tomorrow night, Dr. Phil McGraw, Oprah's main man, comes here. Don't go away.


EDWARD: Now, he comes to you, he tells me to acknowledge Tweety Bird. Again I don't know the Tweety Bird represents, but he tells me to acknowledge Tweety Bird, OK? And he's making me feel like he wants to know that he is with your family that has gone one before him. Why is wrapping a yellow ribbon around a tree yellow? Is there a yellow ribbon for him?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: When we buried Lewis we went down the block and every tree was tied with blue and gold ribbons.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The color of his school. His school colors.

EDWARD: OK. I'm telling you your son is working very hard to let you guys know that he is here, you know and so I apologize if I got a little in your face...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We did have a bird when he was little. Its name was Tweety Bird. EDWARD: OK. I just need you to know he is OK.



KING: we are back with John Edward. The "Time" magazine article also hinted that there are some who think that you mike the audience beforehand, you hear what they're saying and pick up things, which the famed Dunninger (ph) used to do, the mentalist.

EDWARD: Totally not true. I appreciate the compliment that they are complimenting me indirectly, saying that the information is accurate from what they're seeing on the show, which means that they think that there has got to be some other way that it is actually happening than the logical that it is happening.

KING: How do you explain to yourself what you have?

EDWARD: Again, I look at it as being an energy. I don't look at myself as being gifted. I think it's something that we all have, and I think that we ought to better research it.

KING: In other words, I could.

EDWARD: I totally believe that.

KING: By doing what?

EDWARD: I think by learning about it, by understanding it, and then recognizing the fact that you probably already have had an experience. And that is what my hope and goal is, that when people watch "Crossing Over", that they learn about the subject matter. They don't feel the need to have to go to a psychic, that they feel like, you know what? I know it is possible, and that you know, it is something that helps them in their own lives, maybe validating something that has already happened to them.

KING: What do you make of the others in your field that you see on television a lot?

EDWARD: I think that we are all doing the same. We're trying to help teach and educate people about what we do and what this world is. And I think it's to help give them a tool to help say the same thing.

KING: Do you believe in reincarnation?


KING: Therefore, if we reincarnate who are you communicating with?

EDWARD: That's a great question.

KING: That is why I asked it. Just a little joke there. EDWARD: And the way I explain that in workshops, because it comes up all the time -- let's say that the soul could be inactive. Let's say it's Tom Cruise. We know that Tom Cruise has been in many, many movies. And in each movie he's been in, he's had a different role, identity, personality and life in that -- what we identify with that energy -- that actor, that soul, as Tom Cruise. I believe the same with our souls on the other side. When we come here we play a role, and it is a role that is to teach us lessons so we that we can understand what it is the soul needs to progress.

KING: But if my father is now somewhere else, who is communicating with you?

EDWARD: Who is to say your dad will come back that quick? Some people think that -- some people like to believe that energies come back extremely quick. I personally do not believe that they come back that quick. I think it might take many, many earth years before somebody would choose to come back.

KING: So in effect, Christ is not big story to you.

EDWARD: What do you mean a big story?

KING: We all come back.

EDWARD: I think -- I don't think I understand the analogy.

KING: He came back. You are saying in reincarnation we all come back. And we did communicate from the dead.

EDWARD: I don't know if I would equate most people with him.

KING: I mean, that story doesn't shock you.

EDWARD: No, not at all.

KING: The Christ story.

EDWARD: Not at all.

KING: You communicate with people all the time.

EDWARD: I communicate with energy. I think it is something that is -- energy is measurable. I look at death as being like evaporation. If we take a glass and this glass is the body and the water inside this glass is our soul, over a lifetime that water is going to evaporate. We know that it is going change form. It's going to go from a liquid form, going to go to a gaseous form. And we know that it is still hydrogen and oxygen. We know this because the lady in third grade taught this to us. Yet we can't see it and we can't experience it, however, we know that it is there. That is how I see death.

KING: Shouldn't all religious leaders believe you?

EDWARD: I... KING: What they preach.

EDWARD: I think that it can be an adjunct I have had many, many, many compliments and saying many, many thank yous for doing this type of work. And not just from religious people; from therapists and different organizations saying, "Thank you for putting yourself out there along with colleagues, being able to say that this is -- this is available and real."

KING: Also we want you to be right, don't you? We all would love to know that this ain't it.

EDWARD: I don't think that is -- that is not a -- that is not a positive in some cases, because some people want something so strongly, like when people call up on the radio or when people come to show. They come because they want to connect with their son. Now, if their son doesn't come through, they are not happy. And they want to hear only from that person. But what happens if their uncle shows up or somebody else shows up? It happens all the time on radio. It happens all the time when you do something that you know, you can't control. It's like you just open up and go, "Here you go." Here's this information. Sometimes the validation comes in after the fact.

KING: When you are wrong and someone says, "I don't even know who you are talking about," how do you explain to yourself?

EDWARD: I just -- you know what? I just trust the information. I tell people, "you know what? I could be wrong. I could misinterpret what I'm being shown or what I'm seeing or what I'm feeling, what I'm hearing. But what if I'm not? I want you to write this information down."

And sometimes -- I have coined the phrase psychic amnesia. That is like the sudden and complete deterioration of the brain when I start talking to someone. They completely forget who they are, who they're related to, what their name is, how their friends passed, all that kind of stuff -- until after the fact. And then the a-ha moment comes in. And I think that when people (UNINTELLIGIBLE) like this, they'll say, "Hi, John, I want you to try to connect with my mom." Well then I get their father, and they're going to take all that information that I'm getting from their dad and try to apply it to their mom. Well, that's not going to make sense.

KING: When you say interpreting, are you interpreting this or are you hearing it?

EDWARD: What happens is I see, hear and feel energy, so it's kind of like in your mind, it's like a day dream. I pay attention to the pictures that I'm seeing, they're like quick flashes. And then I hear thoughts. Not words, not like verbal, out loud voices. And I just interpret the feelings that I'm getting.

KING: We'll be going to calls shortly for John Edward on this edition of "LARRY KING LIVE." Don't go away.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) EDWARD: Who was asphyxiated? Who had the problem where they couldn't breathe?


EDWARD: Is that how he passed?


EDWARD: He's just using as a description. Katherine, is who?


EDWARD: You're Katherine. OK, that is the way I validated that for me. And February, the month of February?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: That is my brother's birthday.

EDWARD: The one that passed? OK, why is Niagara Falls significant?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I was just there.

EDWARD: You were just at Niagara Falls. OK.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Me and my daughter

EDWARD: Did you find a feather there? Did you tell your daughter that was her daddy.


EDWARD: OK. That is his message for you.



KING: We're going to go to your calls shortly. Is it true you made a pact with your mother before she died.

EDWARD: Certainly did.

KING: That she would send you a sign.

EDWARD: Actually, I gave her three options. An easy one, a semi-difficult one and a really hard one.

KING: Can they even communicate with you? Because some psychics...

EDWARD: I didn't want them -- we came up with what they were. I didn't want to know what they were.

KING: How did you get them? EDWARD: I got them through other mediums. And one was from England, a woman by the name of Linda Williamson who never met me, didn't know who I was, didn't know anything about me. And she did phone session. It was quite phenomenal. I tell this story. I waited nine years for those signs. I waited a very long time.

KING: Your mother would not do it directly to you?

EDWARD: I couldn't. I came up with them. I came up with what they were. I think any psychic you talk to -- any psychic you talk to is going to tell you they are skeptical, they want the information to be pure and valid. So I wanted something outside of myself.

I mean, one time she -- I was going through a psychic seminar in Queens and I was driving to the hotel and was going to lecture, and all of a sudden my mom started coming through to me in the car. I couldn't handle it, because I knew that I had to do this work and emotionally it was making me feel like I couldn't handle it myself. I was like go to Shelly, Shelly who just crossed over, was a phenomenal medium. I kept directing her to Shelly, go to Shelly, go to Shelly, go to Shelly.

When I walked into the room and I sat down, I was finishing up one session, and another medium was lecturing that day. Her name is Susanne Northrop. And Susanne walked by -- I didn't really know Susanne -- she walked over to me in her coat and started to yell at me, berated me that I'm driving here, I'm coming to lecture, and I have got your freaking mom talking to me and yelling at me. How dare you tell her not to talk to you, blah, blah, blah.

KING: Where are all these spirits, John?

EDWARD: Where is the Internet? It is a place that you can go to, it's a place that you can communicate. You can't go with a physical body.

KING: You mentioned the soul. Have you ever seen it?


KING: Can we prove it?

EDWARD: I think we can prove energy, but I don't think we can prove the soul in a way that -- I think people are now -- I think science is now starting to look at things differently. I think quantum physics has looked at things differently. I think that people in general are more open to embrace, to think about things in new way. I think it's exciting time just for that reason.

KING: We'll going to take a break, and then we're going to go to phone calls. Have any of these people told you what happens when you die?

EDWARD: No. And it is the No. 1 question that in years of doing this, when I would get somebody like really strong on the line, so to speak, I would say to them, "What are you doing?" KING: No. The moment of death. What happens?

EDWARD: I think the moment of death is when the physical body ceases. I think that the body ceases and the soul, like I said, evaporates.

KING: And the soul goes somewhere.

EDWARD: I think the closest proof that we have is that when people have near-death experiences. They talk about, you know, collectively, the same thing repetitively over and over again: the feeling of peace and euphoria they have while leaving the body, seeing the tunnel and the light and being met by people who have gone on before them.

KING: We'll be back with John Edward. "Crossing Over" No. 3 on the "New York Times Bestseller List." His show in syndication. He is a phenomena. And we will go to your calls right after this.


EDWARD: She is telling me to tell you that you had a conversation, or she made a statement about Don Young. Do you understand that?


EDWARD: OK. Can you explain that? It's as if she was trying to tell me that she knew she was going to go.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes. We had been driving in the car one day and we passed a funeral parlor. She said, "That place just reminds me of the gates open to Heaven. Just like if I go before you, which I will," she said, "Make sure that is where I'm going to be."

KING: Did you do that?




KING: We are back with John Edward. We will start including your phone calls. West Bloomfield, Michigan. Hello.

CALLER: Hello.


CALLER: Yes, I would like to ask John what he can tell me about my father or my grandfather or even my grandmother who passed away.

EDWARD: What's your first name?

CALLER: My first name is Lisa. EDWARD: Lisa, besides the people that you talked about, if -- I want to let you know that I might not be able to connect with them. I might connect with other people. If you again just say yes or no, don't say anything else.

The first thing to tell you is -- I know didn't you ask about this -- but they tell me to acknowledge a female figure that I would see as being like a contemporary to you, whether it be like a sister or a cousin but it's a female person that passed. I'm seeing this as being somebody who has got another name like yours, there has got to be another L-connection that comes up round you, that has got to be L- tied to this. I feel that this person passes either from breast cancer or a female type of cancer in some way.

OK, that's No. 1. That's the first thing I'm being shown. I know this would be like a cousin on your dad's side of the family, or a cousin through the male, like your husband's side of the family. But there is a connection through a male from what are they showing me. And they're also talking about somebody who would be known as either Richard or Rich, because a big R-connection that comes up connected to you. Do you understand that? Where is the August connection for you? Somebody passed in August?

CALLER: August? No.

EDWARD: There is. There's either an anniversary on the eighth of a month or an anniversary in the eight month, August. But there is an eight connection, from what are they showing me.

CALLER: Eight connection.

EDWARD: Is there a father-in-law also who has passed?


EDWARD: Then you've got another father figure besides yours.

CALLER: We do, OK.

EDWARD: There's like another male figure that I would see as being above you, like a father, whether it be an uncle. It's not a grandfather, it's like a father figure. There is an eight-connection, like the eighth month August or the eighth of a month. There's a connection to a young female figure to your side that I would see as being like a sister, or a friend that is passed from female a female type of cancer. That is what's coming through to me.

KING: Does any of that ring a bell?

CALLER: No. I don't know.

EDWARD: Write it down exactly as I said it.

KING: You were wrong? Or...

EDWARD: Absolutely. Absolutely could be that I was wrong. KING: Cross-connections.

EDWARD: It could be totally that I was misinterpreting.

KING: Denham, Massachusetts. Hello.

CALLER: Hi, John. I would like to ask about my mother.

EDWARD: OK, the first thing, again, just yes or no.

KING: What is your name, by the way, sir?

CALLER: My name is John as well.

KING: Ok, John.

EDWARD: John, how are you?

CALLER: Great.

EDWARD: The first thing that I'm going to tell you is I'm seeing boxes. Whenever I'm shown boxes it means that there's some type of move or some type of moving issue around someone. So I don't know if you just moved or if there's a pending move of some sort, but there is a move issue. Is there a brother figure for you here?

CALLER: Brother figure?

EDWARD: Where does the Lewis or the Louis or the L-name?

CALLER: The L. I had a uncle that had died when I was a little kid.

EDWARD: Is that connected to your mom's side of family?

CALLER: He was her brother-in-law.

EDWARD: Is there some type of fire connection to them also?

CALLER: My grandfather was a firefighter.

EDWARD: OK, he is also there? That is other side of the family, right?

CALLER: No, my mother -- both grandfathers were firefighters.

EDWARD: Your dad's father has passed.

CALLER: Yes, he has.

EDWARD: Because they're telling me it's the other side of the family. There is connection to either him having a son with him, or him having a younger male like a grandson also there, and they're telling me acknowledge the cancer to the chest. I don't know if somebody passed from lung cancer? But there's cancer all in here, understand that? CALLER: Yes.

EDWARD: Now isn't your birthday coming up?


EDWARD: Somebody like how just passed -- last week?

CALLER: Yeah, my sister's was a day or two ago.

EDWARD: That is not. It's next week. It's coming up like in a week.

CALLER: My younger brother's is next week.

EDWARD: And he's out of your state?

CALLER: He is on -- no, he is in Massachusetts.

EDWARD: Is he -- are you in that same state?

CALLER: Yes, we are.

EDWARD: There is somebody else out of that state or he's out of state now or there's an out-of-state connection, because they're talking about the out-of-state connection.

KING: What can tell him about his father, though?

EDWARD: I'm not -- all I can tell you is what's coming through. To me the whole message is to validate the fact that this is still connected. They are telling me...

KING: Lost him, sorry. Trinidad, Colorado. Hello.

CALLER: My question for John was that my sister comes to me through dreams sometimes and I was wondering is that how people communicate much through dreams.

EDWARD: Absolutely. The No. 1 way that I find that people are able to make connections with their friends and relatives who have crossed over on their own, is usually in the dream state. And that is because that is the place where we kind of surrender and say, "OK, it is acceptable." Not every dream, though, that we have of somebody who crossed over is what I would consider a visit. So you really need to write those down.

KING: OK. Do you have a question? Sorry, go ahead.

CALLER: Well, my sister passed about six years ago, and I was just wondering if you could tell me anything.

EDWARD: Where is -- sorry -- where does the K-name like Karen come up?

CALLER: I don't know. EDWARD: Yes, you do. There is a C or a K connection directly to you or to this family, from what they are telling me. So it either means it's who they are -- put your sister on hold and think about your family. There is some type of C or K connection and they're also telling me to tell you 11, which either means that the 11th month November or the 11th of a month has some type of significance. And why are they showing me...

CALLER: 11th month -- November is her birthday.

EDWARD: Why is there a split family? Is there a split connection there?

CALLER: Gosh. Well my dad's side and my mom's side, it's not that they are split, it is just that they are two totally different.

EDWARD: No. No. There is a split. There is a split where like somebody was raised by somebody who is not -- like there's either a step situation or like an aunt...

CALLER: Oh. My other sister is a lot older -- my other sister is a lot older than me and she's my half sister.

EDWARD: And there's also a congratulations on the baby. Somebody is pregnant.

CALLER: Dorothy. Dorothy is pregnant. She was my sister's best friend.

EDWARD: Just that acknowledgement that comes up. They're telling me talk about Virginia. Where are you calling from?

CALLER: From Colorado.

EDWARD: That is not Virginia, but they're showing me the state of Virginia. So I don't know.

CALLER: Virginia. My cousin living in Virginia now. I have been talking to her about a lot -- my sister a lot.

EDWARD: Somebody there committed suicide. Like their actions brought about their own passing. Are you aware of that?

CALLER: No, I'm not.

EDWARD: OK, just remember I said this. Thank you for calling.

KING: Thank you. Don't forget it's time to log on to my King's Quiz at And we will be right back with more calls for John Edward. Don't go away.


KING: We're back on LARRY KING LIVE. Before we continue with John Edward, we have just learned from our sister network, CNNSI, through a very informed source, that Michael Jordan will announce within 10 days that he is returning. He'll be playing basketball this year for the team he owns. They'll have to switch the ownership, of course, the Washington Wizards. The reason given, no other reason but love of the game. Nothing else.

CNNSI reporting to us that Michael Jordan will announce his return to basketball within the next 10 days for of course the Wizards. And of course, you probably knew that.

Anyway, we're back with John Edward. His book is "Crossing Over." The book will be No. 3 on "The New York Times" bestseller list this Sunday and his show's in syndication. And the caller is from Brooklyn, where Michael was born.


CALLER: Hi there.


CALLER: I'm trying to connect with my aunt.

EDWARD: OK. Can you put your aunt on hold for one second?


EDWARD: Is there a grandfather for you also whose passed?


EDWARD: OK, that's her dad?


EDWARD: OK, and there is a Joseph connection to that?


EDWARD: OK. And does he also have a son whose passed?


EDWARD: Yes, he does. Let's put it this way, there's a younger male energy directly connected to the grandfather.

EDWARD: So either he has the younger brother whose -- there's two Joes?

CALLER: Not that I know of.

EDWARD: OK. There's two Joes from what they're showing. There's your grandfather whose got the connection to Joseph and there's another Joe that they want to me acknowledge. So whether it's Joanne or Josephine, I don't know, but there's two Joes.

What's your aunt's extremely fast because they're talking about a very fast passing. Actually, specific? No. I mean, like, did somebody there who passed from either what I was see as being embolism or an aneurism or a very fast heart attack, like very, very fast.

CALLER: An embolism.

EDWARD: Like really fast.


EDWARD: OK. They're also making me feel like to acknowledge that there's some type of connection to the month of February or that somebody either was born in February or there's something about -- something big in February.

CALLER: It's his wife's birthday.

KING: Do they have anything to tell her? Usually, you tell her something that they're going to say.

CALLER: She's also passed.

EDWARD: Well, one of the things that they do, by validating this for me, is their way of saying that they're still connected. And I think for me being the, like I have to get the evidence, that this is their way of letting me that they're around.

I do want to acknowledge that they're telling me -- is your mom still here? They telling me to acknowledge hello to your mom.


EDWARD: All right, and I'm also supposed to talk about her knee and saying her knee's OK now. What's up with the knee?

CALLER: She has a bad knee?

EDWARD: But it's like better?

CALLER: She has trouble walking.

EDWARD: OK, and you made fun of your mom's knee?

CALLER: No, I don't make fun of her.

EDWARD: Yes, you do. They're telling me you make fun of your mom's knee. You were teasing her about her leg. You just did this.

CALLER: I don't remember.

EDWARD: OK, it happened at the younger female's party, where she was a having a hard time -- somebody's having a hard time getting into the room or getting into something and somebody was joking around about the person walking. This is their way of letting you know that they were around. But your aunt is fine and the people that I acknowledged are also there.


EDWARD: All right, Thank you.

KING: When you say fine, are any dead people sick?

EDWARD: No, they don't have a physical body.

KING: They don't have illnesses, right?

EDWARD: No, I think...

KING: They don't eat.

EDWARD: I think that in the way that, you know, they're might be energies on the other side who are less evolved, I give you that. You know what I'm saying? Where they might not choose to evolve or kind of like, you know, call them dropouts in some ways.

KING: Hickory, North Carolina, hello.

CALLER: Hello, John.

EDWARD: Hey, how are you doing?


EDWARD: Don't say anything. First I want to acknowledge, is there a Bill connected to you?


EDWARD: No, a Billy or a Bill name?


EDWARD: Yes, there is.

KING: No, don't like to John. There is.

EDWARD: I'm sorry, as soon as I heard your voice, it was like boom. There was like a huge B connection in my head, which means either it's your or there's a B connection directly to you and that there's an older male figure.

KING: Could be the next caller.

EDWARD: Hold on, or that there's an older male figure passed whose also connected to you. So I don't know if it's your dad whose passed or it's an older male that's there, but this person passed and they had cancer. And it affected their brain or there's tumors to the head.

CALLER: OK, that would've been my uncle.

EDWARD: OK. Is that connected to your mom's side of the family?


EDWARD: OK, is mom still here?


EDWARD: OK. And there's some type of connection to B. There's got to be like a Billy or a B in there.

CALLER: Betty.

EDWARD: Or a Betty. Is that connected to that same person?


EDWARD: OK. I need to congratulate you on the uniform. So I don't know if you're doing something with the uniform or if there's like somebody whose just graduated in uniform or something, but there's like a uniform, like a cadet feeling that comes up in this family, just so you know. And they're also making me feel like your mom's mom must be there, because they've got the older female to her, whose also there.

Does that make sense?

CALLER: Yes, it does.

EDWARD: OK. And they're also telling me to acknowledge that somebody's a double amputee. Somebody's missing -- or they're paralyzed in both legs.

CALLER: That doesn't ring a bell.

EDWARD: I'm sorry?

CALLER: That doesn't ring a bell.

EDWARD: OK, put it to that side of the family also. I'm sorry, as soon as I heard your voice, boom, that's what...

KING: Do you have a question, sir?

CALLER: Excuse me?

KING: Do you have a question?

CALLER: I just wanted to know if you could connect with my father, who passed away several years ago.

EDWARD: In addition to what I said, I can only tell you that, and I'll say this, there's somebody there who either had cirhossis or there was somebody there who had severe liver disease. Do you understand that?

CALLER: Uh-huh. That would be my uncle who had cancer.


CALLER: To the brain. EDWARD: And that's connected to your mom's side of the family, too, right?


EDWARD: That's the same person?

CALLER: Mm-hmm.

EDWARD: Right. Those -- and I'm not connecting with your dad, I'm sorry. It doesn't mean that he's not OK. I just feel like, you know, these are the people that see us as their opportunity. This is a big deal with the whole cadet graduation thing. So I want you to remember that, OK?


EDWARD: Thank you.

KING: We'll be back with more of John Edward and more of your phone calls. Tomorrow night, Dr. Phil McGraw, you know him as Oprah's man. And the famed psychologist will join us tomorrow night.

We'll be right back.


KING: We're back with John Edward. Would it be safe to say you do not therefore fear death?

EDWARD: I don't fear being there, but the process doesn't thrill me of how you get there.


KING: Virginia Beach, hello.

CALLER: Hello Larry and John. John, can you communicate with my father to find out if he's happy with how our family is getting along without him? And what was the true date of his death?

KING: You don't know the date of your father's death?

CALLER: He was found deceased.


EDWARD: Well, let me just -- I'm going to start off in a unique area, which I think is important so the other people are going to want to hear this also. I don't know if -- I'm just going to say this. First and foremost, your -- your dad have a dog just passed?

CALLER: A dog?


CALLER: No, but he had a...

EDWARD: OK, wait, wait. I just want to tell you there is a dog that is with your father because as soon as you started asking me the questions, I started getting the dog barking, which is a symbol to let me know that there's an animal or pet that's passed.


EDWARD: And this would be something that I see as not, this is like an old pet, like 12 or 13-years-old and it's part of the family from what they're showing me.


EDWARD: And I feel like was there before the father actually passed?

CALLER: Right.

EDWARD: They're also telling me to tell you that the 14th of a month is significant. So I don't know if there's a birthday or an anniversary on the 14th. And they're showing me the sign of Gemini, which either means that somebody is a twin or that somebody's actually the sign of Gemini. OK? That's No. 1.

Your dad must have a sister or a female figure to his side, whose also there, that passed before him. Do you understand that?


EDWARD: OK, and I feel like that would be somebody who would have met this person? And they're telling me acknowledge either Jimmy or Jeannie or Jenny or some type of name that sounds like that in connection with this family.

And I'm thinking that there's a two day thing going on because there's a two day delay before somebody would've seen this person. Do you understand this?


EDWARD: Did something see him two days before?

CALLER: Yes, we all did.

EDWARD: But like two days before?


EDWARD: OK. I feel like it's not -- it was probably right after the -- I don't know, I think it's within that two days that they're showing me. And I feel like I need to acknowledge not getting the cake.


EDWARD: You haven't -- was he like diabetic or something where he wasn't allowed to have it?


EDWARD: Or wouldn't let him have the cake. Because I feel like I couldn't get the cake, whatever that means.

CALLER: Right.

EDWARD: There's also two wives. Was he married twice?


EDWARD: Was there a wife and a very significant friend?


EDWARD: OK, let's just put it this way, I've got two female energies that I feel like I need to acknowledge for this man. So whether it be two wives, two very close females, a sister and a friend. I have no idea what this is, but I know that there's an Elizabeth or Liz that's connected here.

CALLER: That's my sister, Elizabeth.

EDWARD: OK. This is just their way of acknowledging to me that they're connected to you. And please, I want you to understand that the first thing I got was the connection to the dog. Right, I wrote that down.

And also, I don't know, you know had like a hernia in the stomach or something?


EDWARD: OK. This man was plagued with a lot of stuff, but I feel like there's like a throwing in the towel. So this was something he was ready to leave. Do you understand that?

CALLER: Right, right.

EDWARD: Do you have the book of poems or the book of poetry or the special book?

CALLER: Yes, I don't know which book.

EDWARD: OK, it's -- it to me, when I see this, it's a symbol. It either means it's like either a family bible, it's a family something. And inside this bible, there's either like the ribbon or there's like the picture or it's a pressed feather or a rose. It's something I feel like would be significant.


EDWARD: I just know I feel like that this is their way of coming across. Thank you.

KING: Thank you, ma'am. Mount Morris, Michigan, hello.

CALLER: Hi, John.

EDWARD: Hi, how are you?

CALLER: I'm fine. How are you?

EDWARD: I'm good.

CALLER: I'm calling...

EDWARD: Well, first of all, don't say anything. What's your first name?

CALLER: Kathy.

EDWARD: Hey, Kathy. The first thing -- there's two things I want to acknowledge, three things I want to acknowledge. One, I don't know if you have the son whose passed, but they're telling me to acknowledge a younger male or somebody who's lost a child around you. Do you understand that?

CALLER: Hmm...

EDWARD: Actually, this is a vehicle accident that somebody passed in. And it's like an impact that they're trying to show me. And it's directly connected to you. It's not for anybody else on hold or anybody else that's watching. It's something -- it's a younger male that passed and path is directly connected to you.

And I feel like this is somebody who actually was driving. It was their fault. There's a J or a G name that's connected to this also. And they're telling me to also acknowledge the fact that separate from that, there was somebody who was murdered.

CALLER: Wow, I'm not quite sure on that.

EDWARD: OK, I want you to remember what I'm saying, OK? There's somebody who passed at the hands of somebody else.

KING: Who are you calling about?

CALLER: My mother.

EDWARD: No, I'm not getting your mom. You've got somebody who's either, there's somebody, Kathy, there's somebody who's coming through who's acknowledging that they passed like either the husband or the boyfriend or somebody that they were connected to was involved in the past. This might've been going back a while.


EDWARD: But it's directly connected to you.

CALLER: OK, I had a car accident and I'm a paraplegic because of that car accident. EDWARD: That's not what was coming through though, unless somebody else in that accident passed?

CALLER: No, nobody passed in that.

EDWARD: No, that's not it. That's not the connection. The connection is that somebody connected to you, younger male, passed in a vehicle accident or with an impact of some sort. And there's a J or G connection to this. And there's also a connection that's separate from that, that somebody in your circle, that I feel like actually was murdered. Like somebody else caused their passing. And it's either like a friend's sister or a friend's girlfriend. It's connected to you in your circle. So I'm giving that to you.

KING: You're not getting a mother at all?

EDWARD: Not at all.

CALLER: Not at all.

EDWARD: Doesn't mean she's not OK, it just means that when I open up and I connect with somebody, they see this as their window of getting through and that's what happens.

KING: Back with more of John Edward on this edition of LARRY KING LIVE, right after this.


KING: John Edward is telling me that sometimes, as you heard about that murder thing, they follow up and find when they check that there was some connection, right?

EDWARD: Well, I think the biggest and most exciting thing on crossing over is that people are going to see is that we're following up with the people that have been in the read in the gallery. And these people are only too happy to invite us back to say, this is what made sense. This is the revelation after the fact.

And it's actually becoming one of my favorite things to watch on the show because it gives me the courage to sit here and like, say yes you do. Write it down.

KING: You're pretty -- you firmly believe in what you're doing?

EDWARD: Absolutely.

KING: Huber Heights, Ohio. Hello.

CALLER: Hi, there. How are you this evening?

KING: Fine.

CALLER: How are you, John?

EDWARD: I'm doing good. CALLER: This is Alma.

EDWARD: How are you doing, Alma.

CALLER: Pretty good.

KING: What's the question, Alma?

CALLER: I'd just like to see if I could communicate with my sister.

EDWARD: There's two of them, right?

CALLER: No, just one.

EDWARD: No, there's two.

KING: You're telling us there's two sisters when...

EDWARD: I'm telling her that what I'm getting is that there are two energies as I would see as being two her side who have passed.


EDWARD: Which means that you've got like two sister figures who have crossed, correct?


EDWARD: OK. And there's like a Joyce connection to one of them or there's a J connection to one of them because I'm getting a J connection. And there's also somebody, somebody around you with Alzheimer's also or there was some type of connection that they were not of clear mind prior to their passing?


EDWARD: Are you aware of that?


EDWARD: There's also -- are you in a gambling community?


EDWARD: OK. Is there some type of like, somebody just win money?

CALLER: No, maybe I will.

EDWARD: No, no, no, they're referencing like some type of like gambling win. So I don't know if there's like a joke here, where somebody used to joke about, you know, winning the big lotto jackpot or winning bingo or something, but there's like a joke about that.

And I'm also supposed to talk about your ring. I don't know if you have one of the sister's rings, but there's a connection to a piece of jewelry that's passed down. But it's got to more left hand related like wedding band or they want me to acknowledge somebody who I would see as having the wedding band connection, because they're bringing that up also.

Is your dad also there, Alma?

CALLER: Yes, he is.

EDWARD: Is he the archery man?

CALLER: An archery man?

EDWARD: Is somebody play -- did somebody shoot with a bow and arrow or do some type of like archery?

CALLER: Not that I know of.

EDWARD: OK, that's a unique symbol for me. Somebody's doing like an archery thing, where there's some type of like archery connection.

KING: Maybe it's Cupid.

EDWARD: Like there's got to be like a bow and arrow connection. So I'm going to leave that with you, but I got that connected around that energy.

KING: Thank you. Dublin, Georgia, hello.


KING: Hi. Go ahead.

CALLER: Yes, I'm calling to see if I could communicate with my father.

EDWARD: OK, the first thing I'm going to ask you -- I'm telling you. I'm getting an S name. Who's got the SH connection?

CALLER: S name?


KING: Like Sam.

EDWARD: Like as in Sharon or Sherie. You know, what? I'm not connecting with you. This is not for you. I'm sorry.

KING: You don't get any reading?

EDWARD: It's not because I'm not with her.

KING: No? Does that happen with some people?

EDWARD: Absolutely. KING: And how do you explain it?

EDWARD: Because I think it's somebody (INAUDIBLE).

KING: Washington, Indiana, hello.

CALLER: Hello.

KING: Hi, who's Sherie?

CALLER: Sherie?

KING: OK, never mind. Little joke. Go ahead. What's your question?

EDWARD: I'll do the reading. What's your first name?

CALLER: Carol.

EDWARD: How are you doing, Carol. Carol, who around you has the SH connection?


EDWARD: Like Sharon, Sherie.

CALLER: Sherum.

EDWARD: Sherum. What is that?

CALLER: That's my sister's last name.

EDWARD: OK, is she still here?


EDWARD: OK, do you know if there's somebody younger in that family whose passed?


EDWARD: OK, let me say this, the person to tell you, there's a mom figure who's coming through. So I don't know if its your mom whose passed or if it's a mother-in-law. But there somebody who passed from congestive heart failure or they filled up with fluids. Do you understand that?


EDWARD: OK, they're telling me acknowledge that the 18th of the month has some type of significance. Do you understand that?


EDWARD: OK. They're also making me feel -- oh, your dad's there, too? CALLER: Yes.

EDWARD: OK, and they're also telling me to technology Charles or -- there's a C name. There's like a C connection to that side of the family. So between the father and the mother energy, they're telling me to acknowledge the SH in the family. And they're also making me feel like do you have cows?



CALLER: No, we don't.

EDWARD: Was there some type of connection to the family?


EDWARD: OK, I want you to remember that I'm saying this, they're showing me cows. Now.

KING: Maybe they drink a lot of milk.

EDWARD: I come from the city, so bear with me with my reference. I think cows and I think Ben and Jerry's ice cream. So I think I need to talk about real cows, like as in milking the cows or owning the cows, but there's a reference to like living cows in some way. So cattle, in some reference.

KING: I must say this, John.

EDWARD: It's abstract.

KING: You don't come up with everyday things, you know what I mean? The archery thing. That ain't out of the realm of the normal.

CALLER: No, no.

EDWARD: Just remember the cow thing.

KING: Look up the cows, ma'am. If he tells you cows, there's cows.

CALLER: I got questions.

EDWARD: Go ahead.

CALLER: Can you let me know if my husband's crossed over?

EDWARD: See, I'm seeing it again. What's your first name?

CALLER: Carol.

EDWARD: Carol, I want you to really think...

KING: You don't know if your husband died? CALLER: Yes.

EDWARD: Carol, why is there -- they're showing me cows. Did someone in his family like something cattle-related?


EDWARD: Are you sure? There's cows.

KING: Did your husband run off to the West?


EDWARD: There's cows. If they're showing me cattle and cows, there's a definite link.

KING: OK, I got to take break. We'll check on that. Boy, you are really, OK.

EDWARD: It's never dull in my world.

KING: OK. Funny, now it's weird. I saw a zebra. It's crazy. We'll be back with our remaining moments right after this. Don't go away.


KING: You can now logon to our web site at You'll get the answer to King's quiz. And we'll go to Young, Washington with John Edward. Hello.



CALLER: I was wondering if he can connect with my uncle.

EDWARD: What's your first name?

CALLER: Veronica.

EDWARD: How are you doing, Veronica.


EDWARD: No, I can't connect with your uncle.


EDWARD: Are you currently married?


EDWARD: Is there like a mother or an aunt figure on your husband's side of the family who just passed?

CALLER: A mother or aunt figure? No.

EDWARD: Yes, there is. Somebody on that side of the family, older female, recently passed or connected to the male in your life.

CALLER: I don't think his mother and his...

EDWARD: Where's the Helen connection?

CALLER: The Helen?

EDWARD: Uh-huh.

CALLER: I'm not sure.

EDWARD: Is he there with you?

CALLER: He just went over next door to watch on the TV.

EDWARD: He's watching me on the TV?


EDWARD: So he's going to come running back going, "Yes, there is a Helen."

CALLER: Oh wait, here he comes. Here he comes. Yes, he's running back over here.

KING: Here he comes.

CALLER: Do we have a Helen? His mother's side?

EDWARD: Can you put him on?

CALLER: Yes. Here.

KING: What if he has girl named, you ruined his whole.

EDWARD: Hi, what's your first name?

CALLER: February 23.

EDWARD: That's your first name?

CALLER: Oh, Bobby. Bobby Adams.

EDWARD: How are you doing, Bobby.


EDWARD: Just stay focused with me here. What's the Helen or Ellen connection to your family?

CALLER: Helen or Ellen?

EDWARD: Uh-huh. CALLER: I'm not sure.

EDWARD: OK, here's the deal. What's coming through, I was just talking to your wife, they're telling me to acknowledge that connected to your side of the family, there's an older female that I would see as being like a mom, like an aunt, older female, who has crossed. And they're making me feel like there's like a Helen, Ellen connection to that side of the family. And there's also the man that was known for either you went hunting with the person or there's the outdoorsy kind of thing going on there.

Where's the hiker or the woods in the family?


EDWARD: Like lots of land, lots of trees, house in the middle. Where's that?

CALLER: Oregon, I would think.

EDWARD: Is that where they grew up?

CALLER: My father and -- my mother grew up in Colorado. My father grew up in Texas.

EDWARD: It's not Texas.

CALLER: Texas or Oklahoma.

EDWARD: It's not Texas. It's more of a woodsy, treesy area. Anyway, what's coming through is they're telling me to acknowledge two things. One, I don't know if you guys personally lost a child, but they're rocking a baby on the other side, which lets me know that there's an energy of a child that's there.

CALLER: Oh, my older brother lost a baby during birth.

EDWARD: OK, they're telling me to acknowledge the energy of the child who's there. They're also making me feel like there's either someone whose got a name that sounds like either Tyler or Taylor or a unique T name. OK? There's a unique connection to this, but they're telling me to -- the person to tell you is that there's a person or a Helen or an Ellen or a name that sounds like Eleanor like that to me, whose connected through you, whose there. And that's the person who's trying to come through.

So I'm not getting the uncle.

KING: Sorry we're out of time. Sorry we couldn't get to the other calls. John will of course return to his program. He is a regular guest and always welcome. I congratulate you on crossing over.

EDWARD: Thank you very much.

KING: "Crossing Over," the book is No. 3 this Sunday on "The New York Times" bestseller list. "Crossing Over," the television show is now in syndication. You can check your local newspapers for time and station.

Dr. Phil McGraw, Oprah's main man is conducting -- a lot of special things going on now in Oprah's show. And we're going to talk about that. And a lot of other things, tomorrow night, with Dr. McGraw. And he'll be right here with us in Los Angeles.

Big guest also on Wednesday connected with the never-ending story of Jimmy Hoffa. So we'll get you more information on that tomorrow night.

Stay tuned for "CNN TONIGHT." That's next with an update on the Michael Jordan story. For John Edward, yours truly, Larry King, thanks for joining us. Good night.




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