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Encore Presentation: Interview With David Letterman

Aired March 9, 2002 - 21:00   ET



DAVID LETTERMAN, TALK SHOW HOST: Enron, it turns out it was just a bunch -- it was a bunch of shell companies and corporations. They had phony profits, they had a bunch of shyster lawyers, they had a bunch of crooked accountants -- no, wait a minute. No, that's CBS.


LARRY KING, HOST: Tonight, is Dave closing shop and moving to ABC? Don't know. We do know we've got him for a hilarious hour. David Letterman is next on LARRY KING WEEKEND.

Thanks for joining us. It doesn't matter what network he's on. David Letterman is one of the funniest men in America. Last week, we heard that ABC was talking with him about moving his show from CBS -- a pretty big story. It got even bigger when it leaked out that Dave would replace Ted Koppel's "Nightline" if he moved to ABC. Late night TV hasn't created this much buzz since Letterman versus Leno almost a decade ago.

And this weekend, we're going to look at some of our interviews with the key figures in the story. Tomorrow night, the best of Ted Koppel. But tonight, our 1996 interview with David Letterman.


LETTERMAN: I happen to be the most powerful man in American broadcasting.

KING: And you deserve it.

LETTERMAN: Thank you very much.

KING: The accolades that come your way. Now I'm ticked.

LETTERMAN: What's the matter?

KING: OK. The last time you were on this show a caller called -- a nice caller...


KING: ... and said, "I live in Grand Rapids, Michigan, and we'd love to have you make the home base Grand Rapids, Michigan."


KING: And you said, "Done."

LETTERMAN: That's right.

KING: And then...

LETTERMAN: Oh, I remember that -- absolutely.


LETTERMAN: That's right.

KING: Why have you deserted Grand Rapids -- for what?



LETTERMAN: Wahoo, Nebraska -- Wahoo. The whole thing started innocently enough -- or so we thought -- because I'm the kind of guy -- you know, a lot of people in this day and age, 1996, the middle of May, we're looking at a long, hot summer here. A lot of people in this country now are the kind of people that just say, wah. You know what I mean, Larry?

I can tell by looking at you, you're a guy that just -- all you can really cough up on a good night is, wah. You know, unless -- unless you're talking about something of great interest, like dinner plans after the show. But I...

KING: You talk about that.

LETTERMAN: Well I just thought -- I was thinking beyond the show.


LETTERMAN: Just before we went on the air, we saw Larry throw a huge temper tantrum.

KING: I did not.

LETTERMAN: Knocking over lights and monitors and screaming at interns and stormed off to the limo. I had to go down and personally coax him out of the car so that we could get him back here.

KING: All right -- wah?

LETTERMAN: Yeah, so a lot of people just say, "Wah." And to me, you know, they don't care. If you're just saying, "Wah," you don't really care. I'm the kind of guy that says wahoo -- wahoo. You know -- you know (UNINTELLIGIBLE)?

KING: This is a...

LETTERMAN: So when I started saying this on the air -- now follow me on this if you can. Go ahead, feel free to make notes. We started getting calls from Wahoo, Nebraska. I guess I had heard of Wahoo in the past, but was not familiar with it. And they said, "Dave," you know, "what are you talking about? We are Wahoo. We are the Wahoo city. Please move the home office."

And we did. We opened it up to a contest of graft. Send in whatever you want from Grand Rapids if you want the home office there. Send in whatever you want from Wahoo if you want the home office there. And it turned down -- it turned out that we ended up going to Wahoo for no particular reason other than we had been in Grand Rapids for over a year. Now we're in Wahoo and we couldn't be -- we get a tax break and we get better parking in Wahoo. So that's where we are now.

KING: Are the citizens nice to you?

LETTERMAN: Oh, yeah. We're treated like royalty in Wahoo, absolutely.

KING: But did Grand Rapids...

LETTERMAN: I'm looking at buying vacation property there. You know, like Ted Turner's got that four million acre ranch in Montana?

KING: And New Mexico.

LETTERMAN: I kind of got my eye on something -- oh, in New Mexico, is that right?

KING: Yeah, two of them.

LETTERMAN: Yeah. So like one entire state is not enough room for he and Jane?


LETTERMAN: They got to buy out the entire western half of the country?

KING: Now where -- you make -- you're in that league now. What's it like?

LETTERMAN: Oh, please.

KING: Come on, what's it like? What's it like to have all the money you ever dreamed of and beyond?

LETTERMAN: Well, first of all, as I've said many, many times, I've never been motivated by money.

KING: No one is.

LETTERMAN: And I get the sense you probably -- well, I think some people are. I think some people are driven by money. I -- it doesn't happen to be true in my case.

KING: It's a byproduct.

LETTERMAN: But it's a lovely thing to have. And you see figures written in newspapers -- "How much does Dave make," and so -- it's not necessarily true.

KING: You don't make $14 million?

LETTERMAN: I make a comfortable living. But I'll tell you now the best part about making that kind of money, and I've learned this for a long, long time now -- I've known this for a long, long time. It enables you to do things for others that maybe here before you might not have been in a position to do, and that's the absolute best. Other than that, it's just something silly to (UNINTELLIGIBLE).

KING: You can do something for you mother, someone you like.

LETTERMAN: Oh, mom. Oh, brother -- mom.

KING: You support her, don't you? You take care of her?

LETTERMAN: Mom's got this cookbook out, you know, and I'm just -- I hope it sells. I don't know if it sells any. But, you know, if it doesn't sell, she's already making noise about moving in with me. You know what I mean? So you can do me a big favor and go out and buy the book.

KING: Hillary was here the other night.

LETTERMAN: Hillary Rodham -- Hillary Rodham Clinton, America's first lady.

KING: That's right.


KING: And told us that she loved your mother. She was interviewed by your mother, and she will do your show, but after the election.

LETTERMAN: Well, that's very sweet of her to say. I think it's probably a load of crap, but it's very sweet for her to have said that. We would love to have Hillary on the show. We would love to have her husband Tubby on the show.

KING: You tried.

LETTERMAN: And I'll tell you why it would be good for these people -- and Ted Kennedy, too. You and I have covered this. In the past we've made a great deal of jokes about Ted Kennedy for no particular reason -- for no particular reason other than they seem to get laughs. People think, "Oh, they're making fun of Ted Kennedy." Ha, ha, ha, ha, wahoo.

And we do the same with President Clinton. You know President Clinton is what like eight pounds overweight? He's like 6'4 and he weighs 208. He's eight pounds overweight. We pretend that he weighs 360. You know, we're just exaggerating and making jokes.

KING: It's a joke.

LETTERMAN: Exactly. The best thing these people could do -- Hillary and Ted Kennedy and her husband...

KING: Bill.

LETTERMAN: Bill Clinton, the president, should come on our show. In fact, they should all come on together. You know what I mean? And they just say, "All right, stop making the jokes." We would humanize everything, we would quite making the jokes and everybody would be happy.

KING: How would you handle it? Ted, Hillary and Bill, they all sit down.


KING: They come on -- they want to come on as a tandem?

LETTERMAN: Yeah. I would start by saying, "Oh, Bill, can I get you a pizza?" No, that would be a mistake.

KING: You would, though. You would know what to do.

LETTERMAN: No, no. No, of course I'd be scared silly. I'd be frightened, I'd...

KING: But you're a host and the most important man in American broadcasting.

LETTERMAN: The most powerful.

KING: Powerful.

LETTERMAN: Larry, I'm going to reach over this Lucite table and slap you silly. The most powerful man in American broadcasting.

KING: There's many issues to discuss, but I know this is a big week for you. This is Indy week.

LETTERMAN: Well, yeah.


LETTERMAN: It's -- sure, Indianapolis -- of course, my hometown is Indianapolis and the Indianapolis 500 city.

KING: Are you going for the race?

LETTERMAN: No, I'll be going to Michigan for the U.S. 500. There's a schism, and Indy car (ph) and cart (ph) decided not to participate in the Indianapolis 500 this year because it was not an open -- open field for qualification.

KING: So what's the Michigan?

LETTERMAN: The Michigan will be the Indy car (ph) and cart (ph) drivers driving at the Michigan speedways...


KING: Are you the grand marshal?

LETTERMAN: No, I'm not the grand marshal. I'm just -- I'm going because I like to be there.

KING: You like watching the sport?

LETTERMAN: I like motor sports, yes. So that's where I'll be.

KING: How do you follow it? Really, how do you follow it?

LETTERMAN: That's pretty good.

KING: Who's the lead -- I'm a sports fan, I've never figured out who's the...

LETTERMAN: How many times does your nurse come into your bedroom in the middle of the night and seen you doing that?

KING: We're going to take a break now, David.

LETTERMAN: Oh, good.

KING: Where in Michigan is this?

LETTERMAN: It's in Brooklyn, Michigan.

KING: This is a put on right?

LETTERMAN: It's not a put on. Read a paper. Can we get Mr. King a newspaper?

KING: Why would -- why would you have a race the same day as Indy?

LETTERMAN: Because there's something called the Indy Racing League, founded by Tony George (ph), who happens to be the president of the Indianapolis Motor Speedway. And the rules of qualifying for the even this year were not suitable or compatible to the members of Indy car (ph) and cart (ph), who (UNINTELLIGIBLE) race their fairly exclusively...

KING: And you're a car and cart (ph) man?

LETTERMAN: Yes, sir. Yes, sir.

KING: Over the Indy...

LETTERMAN: That's right. It's a new concern. And clearly, Mr. George (ph) wants to have his own racing series.

KING: Do you race?

LETTERMAN: No, I don't race.

KING: Would you like to race?

LETTERMAN: I would, if I were perhaps a younger, smarter man. But being kind of an old dope, no. No, I have no...

KING: You fear death?

LETTERMAN: No, it's not that I fear death, it's just that -- if you know a little bit about motor sports and if you know the people who participate in it, I have a great deal of respect for these people because they're courageous, they're intelligent and what they're able to do right on the edge, getting these automobiles to perform and to control them is breathtaking, it's artful and it's graceful when it's done properly. When it's not done properly, it can scare you silly. But it's a lovely thing when it works.

KING: The life and times of David Letterman on LARRY KING LIVE.


KING: You holding up OK?

LETTERMAN: I'm all right, Larry. Man, you should have seen the fit -- unbelievable. He tossed a chair across the studio, if, in fact, we can call this a studio.

KING: We'll be right back.


WALTER CRONKITE, FORMER CBS NEWS ANCHOR: David, you're really a dear old friend.

LETTERMAN: Thank you.

CRONKITE: So could I suggest -- tonight, you're interviewing Hillary Clinton, the first lady of our nation.

LETTERMAN: That's right.

CRONKITE: Try not to be a jackass, will you?

LETTERMAN: What is the highest mountain range in the New York state -- in New York state?


LETTERMAN: Wow, you're pretty good. Now, do you actually know this stuff?

CLINTON: Yeah, I've been traveling around and I'm having a great time.

LETTERMAN: All right, now here, this is the final one. This could be the deal breaker. In New York City, who is thought of with equal measures of fear and reverence as the big man?

CLINTON: Oh, David Letterman.





LETTERMAN: What we're going to do...

MAYOR RUDY GIULIANI, NEW YORK CITY: I'll probably get into a heap of trouble with this...

LETTERMAN: No, this is fine.

GIULIANI: By picking that one.

LETTERMAN: What we're going to do now is we're going to put you up on the jumbotron screen in Times Square for all of New York City, and then you just announce -- you read the new tourism slogan for (UNINTELLIGIBLE).


GIULIANI: We can kick your city's ass.



LETTERMAN: (UNINTELLIGIBLE) at an intern, who ran screaming and crying from the studio moments before we took the air.

KING: There you have it. OK, you found me out.

All right, lots of bases to cover.

LETTERMAN: All right. Let's go -- shoot.

KING: What do you make of this -- this fight going on at night that continues? Why is Leno-Letterman still a story?

LETTERMAN: Oh, I don't know. It's silly to me. And, honestly, I keep forgetting -- you know, when you said, "What about the fight?" And I thought, "Well, what exactly are we talking about," because it's not really a factor in my life. I can't speak for "The Tonight Show" and those people. And it never really was.

When we went on the air -- jeez, three years ago almost now -- we were not expected to do very well. People said, you know, this is going to come and go. And we didn't come and go. We came on doing very, very well, better than anybody thought. Better than I thought, and maybe even unreasonably. And that lasted for about two years. And so we were really very lucky.

And now, with all of the other problems and vagaries and difficulties that any television network experiences over the course of time, we're just now right about where they thought we would be in the beginning. So we -- we feel like...

KING: You don't feel like you're losing.

LETTERMAN: I'll tell you something, Larry, I'm the luckiest man in show business to be -- I've been doing this -- I mean, this is nothing compared to you. You've -- you know, you've been in broadcasting since...

KING: Thirty-nine years.

LETTERMAN: Yeah, you -- Marconi actually held the microphone for you, didn't he? Isn't that what you were telling me earlier?


LETTERMAN: Yeah. And -- no, so...

KING: You feel lucky.

LETTERMAN: I feel very lucky to be able to do what we love doing. And, all things considered, we're doing pretty well. You know, we're taking care of ourselves and, by in large, happy, yeah.

KING: So -- but you're not troubled by that...


KING: Are you troubled that stories make the press, like who your producer is? Does that bug you?

LETTERMAN: No, it doesn't bother me because I think that, you know, it may be news, it may not be news. To me, it's not news. To me, it's television. And if the guy who runs the shoe store down the street has a personnel change, you know, that doesn't really get in the newspapers. So in and of itself, is it news? Probably not. But the fact that it's television, then it makes it maybe...

KING: Did you make it news by making Morty (ph) -- Bob Morton (ph) -- a part of the show? You showed him a lot, you kidded him a lot.

LETTERMAN: Yeah. Well...

KING: So he became a character?

LETTERMAN: Yeah, I guess so. He was a (UNINTELLIGIBLE) part of the show and he was with us for a long, long time -- I guess about 15 years. And he was just the best, you know. And I'm sorry he's no longer with us. We would like to have had Bob continue with us, but there -- you know, we needed -- I needed to make some changes, and unfortunately Bob didn't feel like he could stay with us.

KING: Was that hard to do?

LETTERMAN: It was one of the most difficult things I've...

KING: I could never do that. I don't know how you do that.

LETTERMAN: Yeah, have done. Yeah, other than meeting your friends before the show. My God, that just seemed endless. Larry has an entourage...

KING: What do you mean? They're people. They're nice people.

LETTERMAN: I know they're people, but it's just endless. There's like 80 people there...

KING: There's some beautiful people there.

LETTERMAN: ... and all they can talk about is, "Larry, where are we going for dinner after the show?" "What's on tonight, Larry?"

KING: That's not true. They came to see you mostly.

LETTERMAN: And then he tossed the chair. Yeah, but saying goodbye to Bob was very difficult, and he'll go on to bigger and better things. The truth of it is, he, I think, was ready to go anyway. He had kind of outgrown us. He's a man of great bold vision and will do very nicely for himself. And we wish him the best of luck. And happy birthday to him. He just had a birthday, and I'm sorry that he's still not part of the organization.

KING: Stories about a continuing rift or wrong, let's put them to rest or...

LETTERMAN: Oh, I don't know. I've not seen those stories.

KING: He may be mad?

LETTERMAN: Oh, he might be mad. I'm not mad. I'm sorry, and I'm sad if he, in fact, is mad, because he's a great friend and I know that friendship will always be in place. There's a thing in "Rolling Stone" a couple of weeks ago where I referred to the situation. I said that -- something about, "You have to amputate an infected limb for the patient to survive." And...

KING: That's pretty rough.

LETTERMAN: Well yeah, but, you know, look at me. And so it occurred to me later, I thought, "Oh, well. Of course, Bob is going to assume that he's the infected limb." What else?

KING: Well what were you referring to then? LETTERMAN: Well I was referring to the circumstance, to the organization. It was a poor figure of speech to have chosen for that. So I sent him a note and I said, "Bob, you know, I always thought of you as like a really bad sore throat or perhaps a sinus infection, but never, never an infected limb." So I felt badly for that. But if there are ongoing feelings -- you know, I'm not part of that.

KING: Is that your show or a producer's show? Does the texture change? What does a new producer bring?

LETTERMAN: The producer has -- it's interesting. We have myself, we have the producer, we have several producers, we have segment producers, we have the writers, we have the talent side. It's actually -- it's like a large quilt. Everybody can contribute.

KING: But the new head of the quilt changes the quilt?

LETTERMAN: Yes. And if he would just stop drinking I think we'd make a little better progress.

KING: Oh, is that a problem?

LETTERMAN: No, I just didn't want to bring it up here tonight. But you know, just between you and me, it started out with a little pre show brandy. That's where it began, and it's just gone downhill since.

KING: Are you planning more changes?

LETTERMAN: I think the -- one day I'll probably get really angry and fire myself. Here -- here is the infected limb that's got to go.

KING: How would you handle it? Would you quit on the air, like Parr?

LETTERMAN: You know, I was...

KING: That would be great. That would be...

LETTERMAN: You know, it was interesting. I was -- I thought about that on my way over here, honest to goodness.

KING: Tonight, you would use this program -- this historic program to make a...

LETTERMAN: No, no, Larry. No, Larry, no -- sorry. Call for reservations.

KING: OK, stop.

LETTERMAN: Larry King, party of 46.

KING: OK, stop.

LETTERMAN: No, it was so silly. And it's very...


LETTERMAN: Well, if I could just make this one point, Mr. King.

KING: Please.

LETTERMAN: I know a lot of people. Hal Girney (ph) directed Jack Parr. A guy by the name of Pete Fatavich (ph) worked on that show. Pete is a wonderful guy. Hal Girney (ph) is a terrific guy. And they've told me this story thousands of times. That's like Pete, he has two stories and he tells each one of them about 1,000 times a day.

KING: What's the story?

LETTERMAN: The story is, the night that Jack Parr walked -- walked off the show -- walked off "The Tonight Show."

KING: I watched it.

LETTERMAN: And I just wonder now -- and it must have been a compelling moment. It must have been a "Huh," one of those kind of things.

KING: He was ticked.

LETTERMAN: And I just wonder now what a person could do on television to get that kind of attention. I don't think there really is much of anything. But the reason he left was so silly. He told some story that now...

KING: About an outhouse.

LETTERMAN: About an outhouse, and he referred -- he used the phrase, "W.C." for water closet. And the network intervened and said, "We can't have that kind of language on our network." We can't have a man using part of the alphabet in a story. So -- you know, and Jack, he just went crazy and started sobbing like a woman, God bless him. And...

KING: Walked off.



LETTERMAN: Well he walked -- he said, "I can't..." "I can't work like this. I'm gone." And I just think, "Wow." I mean, think about what that is and what the substance...

KING: It was live, live.

LETTERMAN: It was live and...

KING: So supposing you -- supposing you said -- let's say Monday night you go to the new producer, you go to the network and say, "I'm going to do it live Monday." I'm going to be on -- I'm going to go at 11:35. I want to do it live."


KING: "I got some ideas."


KING: And you choose that night...


KING: To go where men...

LETTERMAN: Well, first of all, I'm thinking now, what would that do to my lunch schedule, because we do the show later, so that means I have the lunch at noon. When -- when would I have my lunch? That's all I can think about.

KING: How do you want to go out?

LETTERMAN: I'd just like to say, OK, "Thank you very much for the opportunity. I've had a lot of fun here at CBS and I'll never be able to repay my gratitude to the network and to the people who have watched over the years and friends I've made, you know, like yourself -- for the sake of this story only." And, thank you and good luck to all.

KING: Might you leave CBS for another network?

LETTERMAN: No, no, no.

KING: That's -- forget it.

LETTERMAN: I will do this show on CBS for as long as I want to, for as long as the network wants me to and for as long as the vast North American viewing public will stand for it.

KING: Do you -- was in town today to open the Disney store.

LETTERMAN: Oh, man. What a major event that was. I saw it -- I turned it on this morning. I got up bright and early and I watched "Good Morning America." It's an ABC show. I'm not sure what the connection is there with ABC and Disney. And they devoted the entire two-hour show -- listen to this, you're not going to believe this -- to the opening -- to the opening of a Disney -- of a Disney merchandise retail outlet.

Now let me run through this again. This is a place where you can go to spend your money on Mickey Mouse tee shirts. Now is that a two- hour news story? Absolutely.

KING: We'll be right back with the angry Letterman after this.


LETTERMAN: You know, maybe what we ought to do here -- just you and me -- take a couple of seconds to space out. Do you want to do that?



UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yeah, I space out all the time.

LETTERMAN: All right, let's space out.


LETTERMAN: (UNINTELLIGIBLE) if you're a hippie, do you ever participate in like a sit-in?


LETTERMAN: Like a sit-in -- you know, civil disobedience? The man is (UNINTELLIGIBLE).






LETTERMAN: Ask her how old she is.


LETTERMAN: Did you ever see that "Jurassic Park" movie?


LETTERMAN: She used to have those animals as pets. Is that you?


LETTERMAN: Congratulations, nice going. There you go.


KING: Look at this -- oh, look at this. Look at this. Go ahead, show what we've got on camera. We've got...

LETTERMAN: This is a steady cam, and this is a system of counterbalances and pulleys. And the idea is, the camera man, the operator, can be...

KING: He's got you now.

LETTERMAN: You can be running like 1,000 miles an hour, and the image stays steady. And it's usually for action shots, a lot of stunt work, like high school kids.

KING: But we wanted to...

LETTERMAN: Tonight, they're using it. The application tonight is two middle-aged man sitting in chairs. That a boy. There you go, Ted. There's some of your money being well spent. That a boy. No, sir. Not an old fashioned pedestal camera for Dave and Larry.

KING: We've got a crowd here. We've got Marty (ph), we've got Cindy (ph), we've got (UNINTELLIGIBLE).

LETTERMAN: And they're all going to (UNINTELLIGIBLE) with Larry in a few minutes.


LETTERMAN: Brooklyn -- I've been vindicated, and it apparently is Brooklyn.

KING: It is Brooklyn, Michigan. You have been vindicated.

LETTERMAN: Yeah, I thought so -- yeah.

KING: The skits that we see, you ride in the back of a bus, in a cab. I went on your show once -- I've been on your show 16 times, and one of those times you had me in an ambulance. It's true, we opened in an ambulance.


KING: Where does this come from?

LETTERMAN: It comes from the writers. I have very little to do with that.

KING: You mean the guy sits down with you and says, "We have Larry on the show tonight. Let's open in an ambulance?"

LETTERMAN: I can't speak to that exactly.

KING: How does it happen?

LETTERMAN: Well, I can tell you in the case of me and Manny (ph) the hippie riding around San Francisco in a van, we were in San Francisco a couple of weeks ago and had a great time. It was a lot of fun to do the show. And that's one of those cities -- I had always been there. You know my girlfriend's ex parents -- no, my ex girlfriend's parents, they're still her parents -- lived up there. And periodically we'd go up there...

KING: Sure.

LETTERMAN: ... you know, like a weekend or something. Beautiful and a great deal of fun, but I had never spent any sustained time up there. The longer you stay in San Francisco the nicer it gets.

KING: Hard to leave.

LETTERMAN: It just kind of washes over you and it's a lovely experience. So anyway, we thought it might be fun to go to Haight Ashbury and see if there were vestiges of the...

KING: Hippie lifestyle or...

LETTERMAN: Yeah. And we found a kid, 17 years old -- 19 years old, by the name of Manny (ph), who said he was a hippie. And I don't know. You know, how can you tell exactly. And we spent the day with him riding around in a van. Now, I can tell you that this is the best part of my job and the worst part of my job.

KING: Why?

LETTERMAN: Well, sociologically, it was fascinating, because here I am, you know, pushing 50, riding around in a van with a 19- year-old hippie finding out a little bit about his world and his life. And it was really interesting; it was fun.

KING: What's the minus?

LETTERMAN: Huh? The minus is, you know, I'm nearly 50 and I'm spending the day in a van. If I wanted to do -- I could be delivering meat, for God sakes.

KING: So you kind of look at yourself and say...

LETTERMAN: Well you just think, "Well, here I am in the back of a van. What's that all about?"

KING: We're going to be taking calls. I asked you...


KING: ... does Mike Ovitz -- Mike Ovitz doesn't represent you anymore?

LETTERMAN: No, he's -- he's got his hands full over there at Disney. You understand what I'm talking about? In addition to paying the $7.50-$8 to go see a Disney movie...

KING: Here we go again.

LETTERMAN: ... two or three times. In addition to paying the $30 or $40 or $100 to get the Disney videotapes, there now is a store, if you have any money left over from going to Orlando and spending two or three weeks every year in Disney World, if there's anything left over, you and the family can go spend it in the Disney store.

KING: And ABC showed it this morning for two hours.

LETTERMAN: Yeah, unbelievable.


KING: I wonder how that...

LETTERMAN: What a coup. What a -- how do they scoop the other networks on the...

KING: How they...

LETTERMAN: I want to tell you something right here, the whole thing stinks.

KING: So you're mad? It's mad Dave tonight, right? That's what you ought to do, angry Dave.

LETTERMAN: That's right. I'm mad Dave.

KING: When we take a break, we'll come back and then we'll take some calls.

LETTERMAN: Hey calls, cool.

KING: You love...

LETTERMAN: Yeah, I like taking them calls.

KING: I do want to ask you also about being a weather man.

LETTERMAN: Oh, sure.


KING: You were a weather man. I want to find out what makes...

LETTERMAN: You're spitting here on your lip. What the hell is that? I don't know, it's...


LETTERMAN: It's gotten -- since the show began, it's gotten larger. That's all I can tell you. Because I wasn't going to say anything, but now it's like the moon...

KING: But you're a hypochondriac...


LETTERMAN: No, I don't -- yeah, bring in the -- bring in this camera. Bring in the steady cam. Get right there on Larry's -- right there. You see what I'm...

KING: OK. Let's see if you can get it.

LETTERMAN: Can we get Mr. King some Blistex (ph). Oh.

KING: I want my Blistex (ph) or I'll -- we'll be right back. Here's another skit from Letterman, and don't go away.

LETTERMAN: Oh, skits -- more skits. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

LETTERMAN: Today, we're just going to drive around having fun in the car. I'd like 1,200 tacos. We're going to turn the car into a taco mobile.


LETTERMAN: Does that oil look OK? Yeah, that's right out of the engine. It's still kind of hot. Let's get somebody to weld a bag of groceries to the trunk of your car and then drive around in traffic and let people scream at you. I've filled my car with tacos and I've gone nuts.




LETTERMAN: Yes, welcome to McDonald's. What do you want?


LETTERMAN: Yeah, what can I do for you?


LETTERMAN: Let me have that order again, please.


LETTERMAN: Medium Sprite.


LETTERMAN: That's all?


LETTERMAN: You couldn't have gotten out of your car for a medium Sprite?



UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, give me two number three's.

LETTERMAN: Two number three's?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And that should be it then.

LETTERMAN: You know, instead of two number three's, I'm just going to give you a number six. Is that all right?



KING: We're back with David Letterman. We're going to go to your...

LETTERMAN: Can I just take a second here, Larry -- I'm sorry, I don't mean to interrupt -- to give our World Wide Web address. If people want to e-mail us, we're on the World Wide Web as well.

KING: You are too? What is it?

LETTERMAN: wwwww.comcomcom -- So give us some of that e-mail...

KING: Hold on.

LETTERMAN: You got that Larry?

KING: Could you repeat that? I want to get it right.

LETTERMAN: Come on, Larry...


LETTERMAN: It's over. Pick a...

KING: All right, let's -- let's -- we'll take calls in a minute, but let's hear Dave the weatherman. How did you do weather? Were you good?

LETTERMAN: No, I was not very good. I've never really been very good at anything in my life.

KING: Were you on the news (UNINTELLIGIBLE)?

LETTERMAN: I was on the news. Here, I was like the weekend weather man and the...


KING: So the anchor would sit...

LETTERMAN: ... and the booth announcer and the anchor man and I would be standing in front of the giant weather map that was painted on plywood. And I can remember our station was an Avco (ph) affiliate. It was WLWI -- I think there was an Avco (ph) in Atlanta...

KING: Yeah.

LETTERMAN: ... late in the version -- and then Avco (ph) got out and went into, I don't know...

(CROSSTALK) LETTERMAN: I don't know what they ended up making. But, yeah, they had the big -- the big map, and I would stand in front of the map. And then one day we had enough money to buy one of these Chroma Key (ph) generators. And the Chroma Key (ph) generator in those days was about the size of this box. And it plugged into a rack of electronics. And what it could do, it would put one image over another. It would remove enough image so you could be right there.

So it looked like -- and they said, "Now here's what we're going to do. We're going to have you standing over here, and then with the Chroma Key (ph), it will look like you're right in front of the map." And I said, "You mean like it looks now when I'm standing right in front of the map?" "Yes, that's the way we're going to do it."

KING: So in other words, all they did was the same thing...

LETTERMAN: Absolutely. It was just silly. Yes, exactly, Larry.

KING: And you weren't very good?

LETTERMAN: No, I wasn't very good. But it was fun. You know, being on TV is fun, you know. It's the best fun you can have.

KING: So it was important to be a weather man?

LETTERMAN: Well, sometimes in Indianapolis, you know, that's tornado alley there and it's a lot of rural areas, a lot of agriculture still in that part of the state. I think they're like number one or number two when it comes to producing popcorn. So these people rely on accurate weather information. But they got to know early on if they needed accurate weather information, they shouldn't be watching me.

KING: Have you seen "Twister?"

LETTERMAN: Oh, man have I see "Twister." What a powerful film. You know what it's about, Larry? It's about an average family and they have two or three kids and they live in Milwaukee. One day, a twister chases the old man to work. "Oh my God, it's a twister." For the rest of the movie, the twister follows them all over the country. They move to Los Angeles, the twister follows them there.

KING: That's not the movie, Dave.

LETTERMAN: They move to...

KING: That's not the movie, David.

LETTERMAN: It's unbelievable. The special effects -- I want to tell you something, Larry. Them special effects is fantastic.

KING: Better than Disney could have done. Better than Disney -- no.

Epping (ph), New Hampshire, hello.



UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I'm 13 and I've watched your shows for two years and I've written letters to you. And I was just wondering if -- you know, since you're the most powerful man in broadcasting today...

LETTERMAN: Yes, you would like me to adopt you?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yeah, that would be pretty cool.

LETTERMAN: All right, fine. Just send along the forms, we'll have them notarized.

KING: What's your question?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Also, I was wondering if you could lower the age limit to come see your show, because I've written letters and they've sent me postcards saying you have to be 16.

KING: You have to be 16 to see your show?

LETTERMAN: Yeah. And you're 13?


LETTERMAN: I want to tell you something. The kind of show we do gets better and better every day. So you're really in a much better situation waiting three years, because as good as it is now, in three years you won't be able to stand it.

KING: Why won't you let a 13-year-old into the show?

LETTERMAN: It's not my decision.

KING: Oh, cop out.

LETTERMAN: Because I love kids and the kids love me, as evidenced from by this call from -- where is it, Epping (ph)?

KING: Epping (ph), New Hampshire.

LETTERMAN: Is it? I think we're missing a letter. It can't just be Eping (ph). It's got to be...

KING: What, Schlepping?

LETTERMAN: Yeah, that's right. Very good, Larry.

KING: Why don't you let 13 years old...

LETTERMAN: It's not my decision. We have to -- it has to do with child labor laws. That's all I can say.

KING: They're not working.

LETTERMAN: Well, we'd like to see them pulling cable, you know. Get them in a pair of work gloves and (UNINTELLIGIBLE).

KING: So you're telling this poor lady, wait three years.

LETTERMAN: Yeah, and I'm sorry about it. It's out of my hands. It's the FCC, it's the network, it's Ed Sullivan. It was an Ed Sullivan thing. He wouldn't let kids in the theater, and we have to -- it's a grandfather clause. There's nothing we can do about it.

KING: San Ramone, California, hello.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Listen, Dave, over the years, I feel that you've shown us everything and done everything that you can do in New York. And since it's clearly more difficult to get guests on the East Coast, and your shows in San Francisco and you really seemed much happier, I wondered if you wouldn't consider moving to the world's favorite city, San Francisco?

LETTERMAN: Well, you know, the best thing for me to do would be just to move to San Francisco and forget the show. I had such a great time there. It was -- and I gained like 80 pounds. Honestly, I gained 80 pounds. But I don't know -- I think that maybe if we did the show in San Francisco, people there would soon tire of us and start to hate us.

KING: You really believe that?

LETTERMAN: No, it's a joke, Larry.


LETTERMAN: What is wrong with you? Everything -- I try to make a joke with everything. Just keep that in mind, all right?


LETTERMAN: Man, you're a lot of work.

KING: Basil, Switzerland, hello.


LETTERMAN: Oh, this is not Basil, Switzerland. You're not in Switzerland. Quit pretending. You're not in Switzerland. I know, you're not -- OK, where next, Neptune? Yes, we're getting a call from Neptune.

KING: We're seen in Switzerland -- stop it. Go ahead, Basil. Go ahead, Basil.

LETTERMAN: Go right ahead.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Any chance we're going to see your show in Switzerland?

KING: She wants to know if they can see it in Switzerland. Have you seen it in the United States, ma'am? UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Oh, yes, for -- since the beginning.

KING: And you're in Basil. Is the weather nice?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yeah, pretty nice.

KING: Yeah. Why aren't you seen in Switzerland? We are.

LETTERMAN: I think we're seen in the United Kingdom. I believe we're seen in Germany. I think we're seen in the Netherlands. And maybe we'll be seen in Switzerland. We're seen in South America and Australia. So that may -- what are you doing in Switzerland, by the way?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: That's a good question.


KING: What are you doing?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: My husband works here.

KING: What does he do?

LETTERMAN: Let me ask you a question -- Larry, I have a feeling here. Is your husband in the chocolate industry?


LETTERMAN: Oh, I thought maybe he was over there...

KING: Why don't you ask it better and say what does he do? What does your husband do?


LETTERMAN: There you go, Larry.

KING: He's a yodeler.

LETTERMAN: See -- yeah, that's right. He's a yodeler. Of course...

KING: You don't believe it, right?

LETTERMAN: No, and she's in the lobby. She's not in Switzerland. Thank you very much.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No, I'm in Switzerland.

KING: She's in Switzerland.

LETTERMAN: She's not in Switzerland.

KING: Is your husband there, ma'am?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yeah, he's asleep.

KING: Wake him up and have him yodel.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It's six hours difference.

KING: Yeah, six hours difference. So it's like 3:30 in the morning.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: 3:30 in the morning.

KING: Wake him up and have him yodel.


LETTERMAN: Oh, this will be good.

KING: Let him -- would you wake him up and have him -- oh, OK. They told me to lose him because you didn't trust the call. I trusted the call.


KING: Want to see a temper tantrum? We'll be right back on LARRY KING LIVE. Don't go away.

LETTERMAN: Yeah, and we're taking calls from Jupiter. Come back -- call from Jupiter, honestly...


LETTERMAN: A favorite around here is a little something we call stupid human tricks.



LETTERMAN: Look at this. This is something rejected by the FDA. "They were just too creepy, especially the Larry Kings," the FDA explained, as they rejected the CNN anchor crackers.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Anchor crackers.


KING: We just showed orange slices back here.

LETTERMAN: Grapefruits.

KING: Grapefruits rather -- pink grapefruit.

LETTERMAN: Well, whatever, sure.

KING: You said that your life changed...

LETTERMAN: I'll tell you what happened. KING: Tell us, David. This is news.

LETTERMAN: I've told this on the air...


LETTERMAN: ... and maybe you could understand this, maybe you could relate to this. Maybe people in your audience have had a similar experience. And I'm a very desperate person. I had -- for some reason, my bite shifted. I guess I was grinding my teeth or something, and as a result, my whole bite shifted. And when that happened, one of my teeth started banging into the roof of my mouth. And I thought, "Well, it will heal up." And it would heal up, you know, if you spent every minute of your life like that. But you can't. You have to talk, you have to eat, you have to go places and have people look at your teeth.

So as a result, it just kept getting worse and worse and worse. So finally, you know, what do you do? You go to the dentist. The guy said, "Well here's the tooth that's banging into the roof of your mouth. I'm going to just file that down." So he does. He gets up and, you know, he files it. Hops right in there, takes it off.

And I said, "That's great. It doesn't hurt anymore." I woke up the next day and that -- from that moment on, ever since then, I now whistle when I talk, because he filed off the tooth and it's driving me insane.

KING: I don't hear it.

LETTERMAN: No -- yes you do. It's civilians (ph). You hear it? Every word I say -- you hear that? I'm a tea kettle. You're looking at a tea kettle in a jacket here.

KING: I think you're a little paranoid.

LETTERMAN: While I talk, cabs show up at the Ed Sullivan theater. They think, "Oh, somebody's calling a cab."

KING: But what can you do about it?

LETTERMAN: I don't know, Larry. I'm at my wits' end.

KING: Did you go back to the dentist?

LETTERMAN: I talked to the dentist extensively, and he says -- now listen to what he says. He says, "That's all right. Come on back in, we'll build it up again." And I said, "Great Einstein, but what will that do? It will reopen the wound in the roof of my mouth." Larry, let's face it, I'm screwed.

KING: And another thing, you've stopped smoking cigars.

LETTERMAN: Oh, yeah I did. Man, do I miss those cigars.

KING: What made you quit? LETTERMAN: Well, it's been a pattern since I started smoking back in the late 70s and whenever I started. I smoked for a couple of years and then stopped for a couple of years, smoked for a couple of years. Because I'm beginning to hear and see some things that indicate to me that maybe tobacco smoke is not that good for you.

KING: You're really starting...

LETTERMAN: I'm starting to see a few things that make me uncomfortable.

KING: Is it the thing on the cigarette pack? Is that possible? Maybe the surgeon general has...

LETTERMAN: But the problem is I can't do anything in moderation. You know? You start out and you have one cigar -- I was talking to Cosby -- to drop a name right there. You don't mind if I drop a name? I'm trying to heat this up a little if I can.



KING: And he said?

LETTERMAN: And he said -- I said, "How many cigars do you have a day?" And he says, "Two." I said, "When?" He said, "One after lunch, one after dinner." I thought, "Wow, that would be great." I was smoking like 20 a day. I was smoking them like gum, you know? That's too many.

KING: All right. You gained a little weight, but you look great.

LETTERMAN: I gained like six pounds and it's driving me insane.

KING: I'm concerned about your health, though. You have high cholesterol.

LETTERMAN: Yeah, it's about 460 -- it's about 460.

KING: I hope we make it to the top of the hour. Your father died of a heart attack. Are you concerned with high cholesterol and are you...

LETTERMAN: No. You know because a few years ago -- actually about 12 years ago I went to UCLA and had the treadmill test done and where they...

KING: You're supposed to do it every year.

LETTERMAN: ... have a team of technicians with gloves, you know, watch you on the treadmill. And then they gave me the -- the clean bill of health there and then they gave me the cholesterol. And the guy said, "Your cholesterol was 250. We would like to see this come down, but it's still in that five to one ratio -- the HDL (ph) to the LDL (ph)." And so I tried. I was eating -- what do you eat for that, like bran?

KING: Bran.

LETTERMAN: Yeah, bran. I was having it delivered to the house by the truck. Amish guys were unloading bran in my backyard. Just by the -- you know...

KING: So what now?

LETTERMAN: So it didn't budge. So I said after a couple of years of nothing but bran and it didn't move, I said, "The hell with it." So it's the same as it is then.

KING: Terre Haute, Indiana -- and you told me every time you're on there's a call from Terre Haute.

LETTERMAN: That's right.

KING: OK. Terre Haute?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hi. This is Kim, from Terre Haute.

LETTERMAN: Hi, Kim. How are you?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Fine. How are you doing, Dave?

LETTERMAN: I'm pretty good. Thank you very much. What's your cholesterol, Kim?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A little higher than it should be, Kim.

LETTERMAN: All right. We're going to work on that.

KING: What's your question, Kim?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I wanted to ask Dave if he remembers a show that aired late at night many years ago in Indianapolis. The name of the program was "Freeze-dried Movies (ph)", and the host called himself Don Lingerman (ph).

LETTERMAN: Yeah, that's right. That was a show that I did there.

KING: OK, Don Lingerman (ph)?

LETTERMAN: It's a joke -- it was a joke. I used to get mail -- and still do occasionally -- because people think that the double T in Letterman is an H. You know, sometimes when you write it, it comes out like an H as opposed to a double T. I used to get a lot of mail dressed to Don Leherman.

KING: So you took that name?

LETTERMAN: So from there we -- it was all versions of that name: Don Lingerman (ph), Don Leherman (ph), on and on and on.

KING: And you showed late night movies?

LETTERMAN: Yeah, it was late night movies. I actually took over the show from a guy named Jack O'Hara (ph), who got the show before I did and very funny guy and had been in advertising and local theater in Indianapolis and quite a talented man. And he did the show when it was really kind of thriving. And then he got tired of the schedule and went on to do other things. And so they let me do it. And there for a time I was, you know, doing anything I could at the station. And it was fun, but it was only on the air a year or so.

KING: Did you always think you would make it?

LETTERMAN: No. No, I'm not sure...


LETTERMAN: Yeah, what you realize early on -- and maybe this came to you, I'm sure it does and to many people. And it's a great blessing, by the way. You know early on what it is you want to do with your life. And when you know that, it removes all the pressure that maybe others less fortunate than you experience and struggle with and rail against and fight the rest of their lives.

I knew from about the time I was 17 that I wanted to be in broadcasting. And when I was 19 I was working in broadcasting and have worked in broadcasting ever since. So...

KING: You never thought about -- it didn't matter making it. You made it by being...

LETTERMAN: No. I mean to get in there and to do that, I mean it's just -- it's so much fun. And I think it -- you know, for somebody who says, "Well, I want to be a singer," "I want to be a writer," "I want to be whatever," once you've made that realization and you can do it and are reinforced for it, you know, that's a lovely thing for your life.

KING: Back with more of David Letterman...

LETTERMAN: Yeah, what do we got like a three-hour show tonight?

KING: ... the most powerful man in American broadcasting.

LETTERMAN: It seems like a three-hour show, Larry. How long...

KING: Well it's going by fast.

LETTERMAN: More like a special of some kind. It's a three-hour show.

KING: The man is not well. We'll be right back.


LETTERMAN: (UNINTELLIGIBLE) wrestling nut (ph) ready to go? What are we doing? (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

LETTERMAN: What do you want to be when you grow up? Would you like to be a teacher? Would you like to be a princess? A fairy princess? That's what I want to be, a fairy princess.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I don't think you're ever going to be one.


LETTERMAN: Who's there?


LETTERMAN: Fishy who?


LETTERMAN: Fishy who? Clown?


LETTERMAN: It's a work in progress, right?

Yeah, I know that. I'll accompany you. You sing -- ready?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Jingle Bells, Jingle...




LETTERMAN: Here's the deal. The Russians got to this woman judge from France and they said, "You vote for our skater, we vote for..." And she said, "Oui." And -- but -- so she's claiming now she was pressured. And I was thinking, "Gee, it's not like the French to cave in to pressure from another country."



LETTERMAN: (UNINTELLIGIBLE) Larry travels with his family.

KING: What's wrong with my brother?

LETTERMAN: Nothing's wrong with your brother, but you know by now they're in it for the free meal. You must know by now that that's why they're here. Of course, look at them.

KING: Why do you kid Kathie Lee Gifford all the time? You were just mentioning her.

LETTERMAN: Kathie Lee Gifford is -- first of all, she -- you know, over the years, I've gotten to know a little bit about her. And she's always been really very nice to us. She comes on the show...

KING: She likes you.

LETTERMAN: ... and I say horrible things to her, about her, about Regis, about whatever, and she's always, you know, really good and kind of understands that we're, you know, just trying to have fund. So she's -- I've -- she's gained a deal of respect from me for that. You know, she's just...

KING: You're on this Honduras thing?

LETTERMAN: It's just something that I referenced during the commercial that I'm not certain is something we want to discuss now that we're live, you know, to Switzerland.

KING: Well if you had clothes manufactured in other countries would it bother you if it were...

LETTERMAN: You know, I can't really comment on the story because I don't know the details.

KING: Neither do we.

LETTERMAN: All I know is that some -- there was some suggestion that her -- Kathie Lee Gifford line of clothing, her (UNINTELLIGIBLE) -- is that furniture or clothing, I don't know -- bustier -- is that furniture or...

KING: I don't know what you're talking about.

LETTERMAN: Well she has these things made and then you can go into Kmart and buy them.

KING: Yeah.

LETTERMAN: And there was some suggestion that the -- they were being made under slave labor conditions.

KING: You don't believe that, do you?

LETTERMAN: Well, I don't know. I don't know -- but apparently it's all being taken care of and now being made by...

KING: By what?

LETTERMAN: Members of a Kiwanas club. I don't know.

KING: But we ought to see "Twister," huh?

LETTERMAN: Stays in the family.

KING: Stays in the family, all over the country.

LETTERMAN: Man it gets you right on the edge of your seat.

KING: I think Tom Hanks is in it, who else? Who plays the wife? LETTERMAN: Tom Cruise is in it, Meg Ryan is in it.

KING: Tom Cruise, Meg Ryan, some movie.

LETTERMAN: It's a mega cast. Helen Hunt, by the way, who's lovely and a nice woman. I like Helen Hunt.

KING: Well she's got a small part.

LETTERMAN: She's like the star of "Twister," what are you...

KING: I know that.

LETTERMAN: ... small part. She's the star of "Twister."

KING: All right. You're not going to believe this. Michael Ovitz came running over and he brought you a couple of gifts.

LETTERMAN: Oh, this will be good.

KING: This is nice.

LETTERMAN: Oh, look. It's a little duck. Isn't that cute?

KING: This is the other.

LETTERMAN: Talk about Honduran sweat shops, ladies and gentlemen. Now this is -- this is an item -- now if you go down to the store, I believe they'll be open again tomorrow. This is about a $200 item right here, all right? And then we have...

KING: What's over here, David?

LETTERMAN: (UNINTELLIGIBLE) is a Mickey. Isn't that cute? Very, very nice. This is the kind of the thing. This is the wah. This is why the American workforce is working so hard. To be able to have these lovely items in your home. God bless you, Larry.

KING: Why do we love them so much, do you think? Why has...

LETTERMAN: Well it brings out the kid in all of us, you know. It appeals to the kids from nine to 90. You know what I mean, Larry? From nine to 90.

KING: They're real, aren't they?

LETTERMAN: Yeah, they really are. They speak to us. We all...

KING: Who did you like better, Donald or Mickey?

LETTERMAN: Always liked Donald.

KING: Me too.

LETTERMAN: And I liked Mickey as well. And, of course, you can't go wrong with Minnie. KING: You like Minnie?

LETTERMAN: Minnie, sure.

KING: How about Daffy Duck?

LETTERMAN: Daffy, of course -- always Daffy. There's just something about...

KING: Like Goofy?

LETTERMAN: ... animated animals...

KING: What is it?

LETTERMAN: ... that just really, really -- let's take a call.

KING: No, I think we're out of time.

LETTERMAN: Oh, thank God.

KING: Anyway, we thought that Michael wanted you to have this.

LETTERMAN: Yeah, I know. That's a cute idea. Thank you.

KING: They'll be in the store tomorrow. Are you going over to the store?

LETTERMAN: Yeah, I'll be there, Larry.

KING: Early?

LETTERMAN: Yeah, I'll be there early.

KING: Who's on the show tomorrow night?

LETTERMAN: Tomorrow night is -- by gosh, you know, I don't know.

KING: Who's on tomorrow night?

LETTERMAN: I just don't know. I can't even tell you who was on tonight.

KING: We have Mr. Oman (ph ) -- Jerry Oman (ph), the lawyer for O.J. Simpson.

LETTERMAN: Oh, he was on tonight. He was on tonight.

KING: He was on your show tonight?

LETTERMAN: He was very, very good. Very, very good. Get him to tell the story about him and the queen.

KING: Say goodnight. Say goodnight.

LETTERMAN: Well, wait a minute. I just want to say one thing here. Thank you very much. Whenever I'm on this program, you and your staff really make us look like big shots and I truly appreciate all the attention and the effort. You do a wonderful job. Thank you for everything.

KING: Thank you, David.

LETTERMAN: Thank you, Larry.

KING: It's always great -- you're a great performer.

LETTERMAN: Yeah, surely. I'm a great performer.

KING: See you tomorrow night.

LETTERMAN: Yeah, it was going great until you brought out the puppets, Larry. Whose idea was that?

KING: We'll see you tomorrow night with Mr. Oman (ph), if you don't see him already tonight on his show. Say goodnight, David.

LETTERMAN: Goodnight. Thank you very much, Larry.

KING: Goodnight.






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