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Interview With Sylvia Browne

Aired August 2, 2002 - 21:00   ET


LARRY KING, HOST: Tonight: Is there life after death? Can we talk to loved ones on the other side? What about dreams?

A provocative hour with best-seller Sylvia Browne. Is she Psychic? You decide. And you can start dialing in, because we're taking a lot of calls.

Sylvia Browne is next on LARRY KING LIVE.

Whether you believe or not, she is never dull.

Sylvia Browne is our special guest. We'll be taking lots of calls. And her new book, "Sylvia Browne's Books of Dreams." There you see its cover, written with Lindsay Harrison. It will be No. 3 on the "New York Times" best-seller list one week from Sunday.

She has had a No. 1 best seller often.

It's always good to welcome her to our show.

Who is Lindsay Harrison?

SYLVIA BROWNE, AUTHOR: Lindsay Harrison is my cowriter. She writes with me.

KING: Is she an expert on dreams, too?

BROWNE: Well, she took my material and...

KING: Forms it into words...

BROWNE: That's right. Because I -- see I -- in De Anza College -- because I was a teacher for 18 years -- and I used to teach dreams on the college. And over the years, compiling all these dreams. You know, it's like a scientist, then you begin to form, you know, conclusions.

KING: Are dreams important?

BROWNE: Dreams really tell you about yourself more than anything else in this world could ever tell you.

KING: Now, it's been debated. Freud, of course, was first into dreams. But I remember a famous neurologist who wrote a book called "The Brain," who thought dreams were irrelevant, had absolutely no meaning at all.

BROWNE: Yes, but you see, when you start healing people through their dreams, when you start showing them that everything in their dream is sort of gestaltian in a way, that everything in your dream is you. The Volkswagen is you, the monster is you.

It's -- dreams come in release, they come in precognitive, they come in being able to talk to passed loved ones, they come in wishes.

KING: Does everybody dream?

BROWNE: Everyone dreams, but not everybody remembers their dreams because some people go into delta; they go too low.

KING: It's occurring in the subconscious?

BROWNE: Absolutely. I think it's really occurring in the lymbic brain, the old brain.

KING: What does that mean?

BROWNE: The old brain is right here, right above the right ear. And people -- what "The Dead Zone" -- it's what Stephen King wrote about.

It's, they don't know what causes or what goes on there. See, that's where I think psychic comes from. That's where I think dreams come from. It's the old, ancient brain.

KING: Is this learning process still in its infancy?

BROWNE: Oh, I think so. More than anything, I think, Larry, I think I want to be remembered after I'm gone as not only a psychic or a spiritual person, but I also want to be known as a researcher.

KING: By the way, when you're gone, I'm expecting you to call in.

BROWNE: I will, I'll call in...

KING: If you don't call in...

BROWNE: Not only that, but I'll be a guest, how about that?

KING: You got it, Sylvia.

BROWNE: Wouldn't you just freak?

KING: You write in the book: "dreams, I'm convinced, are one more dimension of our minds. A dimension, when put into perspective, gives us a whole new wealth of knowledge." Meaning: How do I use a dream? BROWNE: OK, it's very good to keep a dream journal, for one thing. In other words, then you start forming a pattern. I won't name the person.

KING: By the way, if people call in tonight with dreams they've had, you can?

BROWNE: Oh, Absolutely. I would love for them...

KING: We can talk to dead people we do a lot. We know she does that.

But we'd like to hear dreams tonight, OK? That would be interesting.


So a very famous person -- I won't name her name because I read for a lot of people -- but she kept having a gorilla chase her up the hill every night. And I said to her, please turn around and face the gorilla.

See, because this is what we call the lucid dreaming, where you can really change your dreams around. She turned...

KING: You can control you...

BROWNE: Oh, absolutely you can. Like you have a terrible dream, you can change it.

And so the next night, she did. She turned around and she faced the gorilla. Guess what the gorilla was? It was her. It was her fears in the form of a gorilla.

There was another woman who stood up and De Anza College and she raised her hand and she said, I keep having this baby, and the baby won't quit drinking milk. And she said, I'm such a loving mother, but I want to throw the baby away.

I said, OK, who's the baby in your life? Of course, I already knew. She said, my husband. I said, don't think. And I said, what does he do? She said, he drinks all of the time. And I said, what do you want to do? And she said, throw him away.

Do you see what I mean? In other words, the mind will convert it into symbolism.

KING: Why are some dreams so real and some dreams...


BROWNE: ... well that's right. But see, if you're flying around over buildings, then you're in an astral state, then your soul has left your body.

KING: You can fly in your dreams? BROWNE: Absolutely.

KING: Can you dream in color?

BROWNE: You know what's strange? A lot of men don't dream in color. Women will dream in color more than men. And I think that's because it's right brain/left brain.

KING: There are sometimes dreams where you feel you can't get up. What's that?

BROWNE: Yes that -- and it's called astral catalepsy. That's when you're trying to get back in your body and you can't and you're just frozen.

KING: Drives you nuts.

BROWNE: Oh, and you're screaming in your heads. And you're like this. Oh, it's horrible. You say to God, please let me make a fast exit and entrance.

KING: People who rarely remember their dreams, what does that say?

BROWNE: Well, they just go too deep.

What you say is, before you go to bed at night say, dear God, please help me remember my dreams, don't let me go so deep. You'll still get -- if you go into alpha stage you'll still...

KING: There has been a lot of sleep studies. People study while they're asleep, and they do...

BROWNE: That's right.

KING: Can you tell, looking, if someone is dreaming?

BROWNE: Oh, sure. Oh sure, because it's REM. You see the REM immediately, rapid eye movement.

KING: What are classic dream symbols?

BROWNE: Classic dream symbols -- a lot of women will have this dream, is that their teeth fall out.

KING: You're kidding?

BROWNE: No. It's one of the most common dreams.

KING: And what does that mean?

BROWNE: That they should have shut their mouth.

KING: I would have guessed the periodontist, but...

BROWNE: No, because I love women; for God's sake, I am one. But sometimes we have a tendency to let our mouth override our you know what, you know?

KING: Do all dreams have a meaning?

BROWNE: Every dream has a meaning. Every dream has a meaning. Even the ones that are spotty and, you know, you're here and you jump here and you do this and you're, you know, you're frantic.

But every dream has a meaning.

KING: You can learn from them and use them?

BROWNE: That's what the book is about. Not only that, but it's to get into the inner workings of you. It's to release past life traumas, it's to release even this -- let's say you don't believe in past life. It can also release traumas that you had in this life.

KING: How about nightmares?

BROWNE: Nightmares are releases. That's what they're -- in other words, it's like a kettle. You know, if -- you've got to have a spout that lets off steam. And if you can't, because we put on such a mask during the day, because we want everybody to think we're OK. Well at night, do you see what I mean, in the unguarded moments, poof, it comes out.

KING: Children dream, right?

BROWNE: Oh, children dream, and children have night terrors.

KING: Night terrors?

BROWNE: A lot of children have night terrors.

KING: Based on what, seeing movies?

BROWNE: Well, I'm convinced that -- of course, now here we go -- but I'm convinced it's past life, because I've said to mothers, go in and say to your children, everything is fine, this happened at another time, you don't have to be worried, the angels are around you.

And I have had mothers call me and say, that's the end of the night terrors, no more night terrors.

KING: Do you like what you have?

BROWNE: You mean my ability?

KING: Uh-huh.

BROWNE: I don't -- Larry, I don't know what it's like to be normal. I don't know what it's like to be normal.

KING: The famed Peter Hurkos, the psychic, passed away. I knew Peter. He hated it.

BROWNE: Oh, no I love this life. KING: Hated it.

BROWNE: I love people.

KING: Drove him nuts. Too crazy, he said.

BROWNE: Did it?

KING: Yes.


KING: He'd touch people and know things about them.

BROWNE: No, I love people too much for that. No, I love them too much. No.

If I couldn't do what I do, I would just probably just -- I don't know what I'd do; just shrivel up somewhere.

KING: Sylvia Browne is our guest. The book is "The Book of Dreams." It will be No. 3 on the August 11 "New York Times" best- seller list.

You can ask Sylvia anything you want; I prefer calls on dreams tonight. It is fascinating. If you describe a dream, she'll describe what she thinks it means.

BROWNE: Absolutely.

KING: You're watching LARRY KING LIVE, and we'll be right back.


KING: Sylvia Browne, new book is "The Book of Dreams." Lots of phone calls tonight. We both agreed we hate sleep. I hate sleep.


If I didn't have to sleep, if I didn't get tired, I'd like not to get tired.

BROWNE: Me, too.

KING: It's a waste of time.

BROWNE: It is, just to lie there unconscious like a dummy.

KING: Dumb.


KING: OK. We're ready to go to your calls for Sylvia Browne. Monroe, Connecticut, hello.

Hello. Monroe, are you there? Speak to me. CALLER: This is like...

KING: OK, goodbye, Monroe. St. Louis, hello.

CALLER: Hi, Larry. Hi, Sylvia.



CALLER: Hi. My question is this dream has been recurrent like for years off and on, and it involves elevators. And it's kind of like there might be more, like two or three elevators you're waiting for, and the one I go on kind of spirals out of control or it's like pendulums. And it's something that it could be, you know, 10 months and then the dream comes again. And it always has to do with like just sitting there with the choice of the elevator, and you get on the elevator, and once you're on it, it kind of goes wacky.

BROWNE: OK. But this is very reasonable because you have always had a little bit of problem, as many people have, but especially you, of making choices. You're always afraid you're going to make the wrong choice.

CALLER: OK, that's probably true.

BROWNE: OK. Now, also, you also have a fear of your life going up and down. You want everything -- because, see, by rights, your whole theme is perfection. So, you want everything level. You want everything even. So this up and down thing makes you crazy.


KING: So, meaning what does she do with that information?

BROWNE: OK. When she goes to sleep, she has got to say -- so she goes on the right elevator. Let her go on the elevator, and say, "look, I'm going to control this elevator, I'll go up to whatever floor I want, I'll get off, I'll make my decision and then I'll be done with it."

KING: Can people do something about fear of elevators?

BROWNE: Yes, they can. They can -- you know, you can even do this lucid dreaming where you can actually see yourself on an elevator and make yourself not afraid of the elevator.

KING: Power of the mind.

BROWNE: Power of the mind.

KING: To West Hartford, Connecticut, hello.

CALLER: Hello.

KING: Hi. CALLER: Hi, how are you? I have a question for Sylvia.

KING: Sure.


CALLER: It's not really about a dream. My aunt died a few years back. And ever since then, some of us have had these strong feelings that like foul play was involved. And I was just wondering if you could, you know, say if she's all right, where she is now and if we don't have anything to worry about?

BROWNE: She is all right. And this gets to be a little bit, you know...

KING: Hairy.

BROWNE: Yes, hairy, is a good word to put it. But there was foul play and it had to do with an older, dark-haired male, very dark- complected, sort of reddy skin, though.


KING: Does that -- do you have someone in mind, caller?

CALLER: Yes, we do. I was wondering do you know where maybe this would have happened, like where on her body?

BROWNE: Yes, in the chest area.

CALLER: In the chest area?

BROWNE: Yes. And also something she keeps saying about the back of her head.

CALLER: The back of her head?


KING: How long has she been gone, dear?

CALLER: A few years, probably about four years or so.

BROWNE: But, see, what you get from her is you'll get a smell. She'll come in with like a lavender or a rose smell.


BROWNE: Yes, you'll smell her.

CALLER: Now, is there any way that this can be proven?

BROWNE: Well, no, because I think -- you know, these kind of cases are never closed, but I'd certainly go -- I'm not going to say the name because, you know, then we get into all kinds of problems. But I'd really go to the police and talk to somebody about the initial of R.


KING: Wait a minute. When you have these kind of things, try to explain this to me, are you hearing a person, seeing a person, what?

BROWNE: All of it.

KING: All of that?

BROWNE: All of it, instantly. Instantly.

KING: Why do you think we don't?

BROWNE: I guess it's the same as I can't play the piano. I can't do what you do. I'm not as good an interviewer, never will be. (UNINTELLIGIBLE) you have the aptitude. If I said to you, Larry, how do you do what you do, what would you say to me? Sylvia, I just do it. You see what I mean? It's just me.

KING: And you've been doing it since childhood?

BROWNE: Oh, yes. Since I was three.

KING: Sudbury, Ontario. Hello.

CALLER: Hi there. Hi, Larry. Hi, Sylvia.



CALLER: My dream is involving my father, who passed away about 36 years ago. I was 17. He comes to me often in dreams, Sylvia, but he doesn't talk.


CALLER: Yet, I know...

BROWNE: No, but he telepathically talks to you. Yes...

CALLER: Yes, I know exactly what he's saying.

BROWNE: Yes, and he's trying to tell you that he's all right.

CALLER: Sometimes, I've had sort of a premonition dream.

BROWNE: Yes, because see, this is the thing people don't realize. And I've said this even at my lectures. The dead -- we're really the dead and they're the living. I know that is going to freak Larry out, but it's true. But they really can tell us a lot that we don't even know. He'll try to warn you. But he says he keeps meeting you also in a meadow.


CALLER: yes.

BROWNE: So when you see him, he's in a meadow.

KING: Is this a healthy dream for her?

CALLER: Sometimes, sometimes he...

BROWNE: It's a healthy dream because she's seen him.

KING: Sometimes what, ma'am? What did you say?

CALLER: Sometimes, he's in my living room.


CALLER: And sometimes, he's -- the last dream where he came, where it was very vivid, he was -- I was afraid that it was time for me to go.


CALLER: And he kept holding up his fingers, I thought, in the peace sign. It turned out it wasn't for me. It was my brother and my mother that died shortly after...

BROWNE: He was showing you two people.

CALLER: Right.

BROWNE: He was showing you two, honey.

CALLER: Right.

KING: So they can come to you in dreams?

BROWNE: Oh, absolutely, and give you messages.

KING: To Baton Rouge, Louisiana. Hello.

CALLER: Hello, Mr. King, Ms. Browne.


CALLER: My father died, and about four years after that, my 17- year-old niece died. They had a very special bond, you know, here on earth and I just kind of want to know if it's continued. And her sister now has a baby, and I feel my father when I look at that baby.

BROWNE: Well, it's not the father back. Now, who was the huskier male with the broad face that passed over?

CALLER: Pardon?

BROWNE: Who was the huskier male with the broad face that passed over?

CALLER: An old friend of mine.

BROWNE: OK, because he comes around more stronger than even your father. Now, who is the small woman with the sharp features?

CALLER: My mother.

BROWNE: OK, because you've got a whole bunch around.

CALLER: And my mother and the baby have the same kind of bond that my father and my niece had.

BROWNE: Absolutely.

KING: Now, is the niece with the father?

BROWNE: Oh, absolutely, yes, yes. And -- but it looks like that there was a trauma death with her.

CALLER: Never did find out the reason. There was no drugs. Her heart stopped.

BROWNE: Yes, but that wasn't the reason. She had an embolism in her brain, honey.

CALLER: Is that what -- because the autopsy never found anything.

BROWNE: You know why? Because let me tell you something, because I worked with 320 doctors. Blood will dissipitate (ph) in the brain. Do you see what I mean? If they do an autopsy, they can't always find it.

KING: You're leading a trip to Egypt?

BROWNE: Yes. And you should go with me sometime.

KING: A group of people...

BROWNE: I'm going to take a whole bunch of people, and I'd love for people to go with me.

KING: And what happens on these trips?

BROWNE: I teach through the whole trips. And, you know, people say is it safe? I love Mubarak. You know, he's wonderful, the head of the country.

KING: You go to pyramids and...

BROWNE: We go to pyramids. We're going to Chiops (ph). We're going to go to Abu (ph) symbol. And I'm teaching the whole way.

KING: When are you going?

BROWNE: I'm going in October, right over my birthday.

KING: And how do people get information?

BROWNE: They call Visions Travel, or they get on my Web,

KING:, that's all?

BROWNE: www...

KING: Who is Sylvia, what is she...

BROWNE: What is she, then (UNINTELLIGIBLE) "Holy Wise" and "Fair is She." I'm an English...

KING: More on dreams and the afterlife with Sylvia Browne. The book is "Sylvia Browne's Book Of Dreams." This is LARRY KING LIVE. Don't go away.


KING: The Web site is Her book is -- her new book is Sylvia Browne's book of dreams. Number three on the August 11 "New York Times" best seller list.

The call is from Canton, Michigan. Hello.

CALLER: Hi, Larry. Hi, Sylvia.


CALLER: I was wondering, my mother passed away about 11 years ago, and we're not quite sure what happened. She was at her laundromat and she was found alone and nobody was around her. I was just wondering what happened, if she suffered or...

BROWNE: No. Too quick.


BROWNE: Too quick, honey.

CALLER: Definitely.

BROWNE: Yes. And she was a little bit blue around her mouth. No, it was too quick, honey.

KING: So it was natural causes?


KING: And no pain?

BROWNE: No, thank God.

KING: Modesto, California, hello. CALLER: Modesto?

KING: Yes.

CALLER: Yes, hi, Larry. Hi, Sylvia.


CALLER: I am such a fan of yours. I actually had a reading with you about a year-and-a-half ago when my dad passed away, and at that time you indicated that if he was able to communicate with me, he would via electricity.

BROWNE: Right.

CALLER: And it's just amazing. I have lights that flicker.

BROWNE: I know.

CALLER: And I have lights that have never worked that all of a sudden are working, but lately I've been having all these dreams that we're sitting outside on my patio and I'm talking about all of the day events and I'm wondering if this is...

BROWNE: No, you're really talking to him.


BROWNE: Oh, yes.

CALLER: Is he really here with me?

BROWNE: He is really there with you...


...with his beautiful deep set eyes and the way he used to nervously push back the side of his hair and everything.

CALLER: OK. I just -- it's just...

KING: And that dream is what? It's -- he's coming in?

BROWNE: Yes, he's really coming in to visit her. In her -- see, there's all kinds of dimensions of reality. And so in this dimension, reality, he's coming in.

KING: How do you know it isn't her?

BROWNE: Because he's telling her things that she has to validate. And then she goes and validates them, so there is no way she could know.

KING: She could be just hallucinating, correct?

BROWNE: That's right. KING: That's a real fact of life.

BROWNE: Absolutely, but I've always said to people, validate. When you get a hold of your spirit guide or people that have passed, validate it.

KING: East Rutherford, New Jersey, with Sylvia Browne. Hello.

CALLER: Hi, Larry. Hi, Sylvia. Blessings to both of you.

KING: Thank you.

BROWNE: Blessings to you, too.

CALLER: Thank you. I have to say that for about the past month now, I have been making a conscious effort to meditate several times a week, and I've noticed since I've been doing that that my dreams have been becoming more vivid.

BROWNE: Absolutely.

CALLER: I may not necessarily remember every single detail, but I did have a dream the other night that kind of bothers me a little bit.

BROWNE: All right.

CALLER: I woke up and I was having a recollection of muddy roiling flood waters. There was no -- I was not immersed in them, neither was my family or my home, but they were in the vicinity of me. There was no destruction or anything involved, yet it woke me up. And I just -- I'm trying to understand what the meaning of that is.

BROWNE: I know, I know.

KING: That's a puzzle, man.

BROWNE: Yes -- no.

KING: I can't figure it out. I was going to guess she hated her sister.



But Hume (ph) used to say that dreams of water has to do with mother. But in her case, she has to control her environment. So she is afraid that something unknown is coming, that -- especially financial. You know, it's dark, it's muddy. And once after October passes and she won't even be worried about it anymore.

KING: So -- that makes sense to me. As opposed to waiting for the group Muddy Waters?

BROWNE: Exactly. That's right. KING: Could be a fixation. Muddy Waters? Answer Me! OK.

BROWNE: There's no one here except you and I.

KING: You're right. With this crew, you're right. Orange, Connecticut, hello.

CALLER: Hi, Sylvia and Larry.


CALLER: My husband died about six years ago, and he left me and two children, Greg and Courtney (ph), behind. And I was wondering, does he come around and is he helping me raise these two children from the other side?

BROWNE: Yes. The youngest child sees him. So I would really listen to the youngest one.


BROWNE: Which one of the children is the lightest one? Lightest coloring?

CALLER: Courtney. The girl.

BROWNE: OK, that is the one that sees.

CALLER: And how does she see him?

BROWNE: She'll hear him, she'll see him. I'd talk to her about it.



KING: Don't be afraid to talk to your child? Won't it spook them a little?

BROWNE: Oh, God, no, it won't. No.

KING: I mean, do you see daddy or do you feel daddy?

BROWNE: Yes, do you feel daddy? Absolutely. Yes. See, because people always think heaven is way up in the air. Heaven is right around all of us.

Oh, absolutely, he's helping you -- to answer your question, he's helping you. That's why you get those feelings in your mind that you should do such and such. It's sort of like a ticker tape feeling.

KING: Does this -- your -- this ability cause you to have no fear of death?

BROWNE: I have no fear of death. I have a lot of fear of life. KING: You don't want to die badly, though?

BROWNE: Well, no. But I think you can also have a lot of control over that, too. You can wish yourself out of your body, you really can. The mind is so strong. You know what's funny? After all the research that I've done, Larry, I have never taken anybody back into a past life and had them have a bad death experience. Even though they were riding around. You know what people have the worst time with? Birth. When you take a person through birth, is the worst thing they ever go through.

KING: You can take someone through birth?

BROWNE: Oh, yes.

KING: They remember their birth?

BROWNE: Oh, yes. Writing, can't breathe. Arms grabbing them. Things squirting in their face, nose. It's awful for them. And you take them through a death experience and they just go.

KING: What happens when you die?

BROWNE: You just leave your body.

KING: Do you see a light?

BROWNE: Oh, sure, you go through the tunnel, and children go through, strangely enough, will go across the bridge. It's marvelous what happens.

KING: In other words, all death has a serenity?

BROWNE: All death has a serenity. I died when I was 26.

KING: Even a suicide?

BROWNE: Even a suicide, because most suicides, honestly, Larry, are people who are not right in their heads. You know what I mean? They're not right. You know, you can't -- we used to say, oh, they go to hell. No, this is hell. People can't just take their life, because then they have to come back and do it again.

KING: This is hell?

BROWNE: This is hell. Sure it is.

KING: We'll take a break and be back with more. Sylvia Browne, the book is "Sylvia Browne's Book of Dreams." We will be right back. This is LARRY KING LIVE.

Over the weekend, we'll repeat two recent interviews with Erin Runnion, the mother who tragically lost her young daughter, and R.J. Wagner -- Robert Wagner of acting fame.

And Monday night a return visit, this time your phone calls, for Anna Nicole Smith. We'll be right back.


KING: We're back with Sylvia Browne. Her "Book of Dreams" is already a major best-seller. She's going to lead a tour of Egypt; you get information on that at And we are going into -- return to your phone calls. To Mount Carmel, Tennessee. Hello.

CALLER: Good evening, Larry and Sylvia.


CALLER: Sylvia, I have had a recurring dream for almost 10 years about my niece that passed away three months after giving birth to her baby. She was in a coma for two months. But I've also -- always suspected that there was foul play involved in the situation that put her in the coma. Can you tell me anything about that?

KING: When you dream about it, what do you dream?

CALLER: Well, lots of times, I'm having a conversation with her, but she doesn't respond to me, she just, well, smiles.

BROWNE: Smiles and nods. Yeah. But you see, there was no foul play, no. Something happened where she bled out. But there was no foul play, honey.

KING: So what does the dream mean?

BROWNE: Dream means she just comes around to tell her she's all right. See, did you notice everybody has said they don't speak words, but they smile, or they know in their head? It's a telepathic communication.

KING: Because people can talk in dreams, right?

BROWNE: Oh, sure they can, but a lot of people who passed over, you'll just feel what they're thinking.

KING: You can feel what the person is thinking?

BROWNE: That's right.

KING: And there was no foul play involved?


KING: St. Louis, hello.

CALLER: Hi. I'm calling about a dream that I've recently had. It's about I am flying, lending how to fly in a small airplane, and I'm flying through a building and various other places, and there is somebody that I work with that's in the dream, too, trying to tell me how to do it, how to pilot and fly.

KING: You're flying through buildings? CALLER: One particular building. I don't know what it is.

KING: And is this person male or female?

CALLER: Female.


BROWNE: This is a dream of escape. It's like trying to escape. Do you see what I mean? And not having somebody tell you what to do all the time. And you can't get away.

CALLER: Right.

KING: That makes sense. Does that make sense to you, caller?

CALLER: Yes, that makes sense.

KING: All right, now, OK, don't hang up, caller. What does she do with this? OK. She is trying to get away from something...

BROWNE: Right.

KING: Doesn't like to be told what to do.

BROWNE: The next time she dreams, the next time she dreams, she kicks her out of the plane.

KING: Throws her out of the plane?

BROWNE: Absolutely.

KING: But does she get hurt?

BROWNE: No, not in the dream. I don't think she'd care much if she did, but anyway, just push her out of the dream.

KING: Push her out of the dream? And you can mentally do that?

BROWNE: You can mentally do that. You can say tonight when I go to bed, may the white light of the holy spirit surround me, and may I want her out of my dream, because I want her to quit riding me all the time.

KING: What do you mean by may the white light of the holy spirit surround me?

BROWNE: Because that protects you. White light of the holy spirit.

KING: You believe in the holy spirit?

BROWNE: I believe in the holy spirit, I believe in God. I believe in, you know.

KING: And when she gets rid of that person, she will be better for it?

BROWNE: Oh, yeah, and then the person won't ride her anymore. You'd be surprised at how much power your mind has. See, a person can only have power over us if we let them.

KING: Try it, ma'am. I wish you luck. Long Island -- I'm sorry. Long Island, New York, hello.

CALLER: Hello.

KING: Yeah, go ahead.

CALLER: Hi, Larry. Hi, Sylvia.


CALLER: This is not about a dream, but I just wanted to ask you. I've been widowed for 17 1/2 years. I had an exceptionally wonderful husband. And right now, I have a lot of friends, but I'm extremely lonely, and I was wondering if I'll ever find love and happiness again?

BROWNE: Yes, a Dave. A Dave, a David.

KING: Is coming into her life?


KING: Do you know a David?

CALLER: Well, that is my father's name, and he's deceased.

BROWNE: No, honey, there are a lot of Daves and Davids in this world.

KING: You mean she's going to meet a Dave?

BROWNE: She is going to meet a Dave.

KING: Now, how the hell would you know that? OK, you're talking to late people, but how would you know who she's going to meet tomorrow?

BROWNE: That's how I've stayed in business 49 years.

KING: That means it's preordained.

BROWNE: Well, sure, everything is.

KING: But if life is preordained, we don't have free will?

BROWNE: No, you have it on the other side. You wrote your contract on the other side. When you get down here, you're just out of luck. You to live it.

KING: I'm living through a plan? BROWNE: You wrote your whole contract. You wrote your darling children in, your wonderful wife, you wrote I'm going to be an interviewer, you wrote the whole thing.

KING: OK. I'll buy it, Sylvia.

Woodland Park, Colorado, hello.

CALLER: Hi. Sylvia, I've got a question for you.

BROWNE: All right.

CALLER: I lost my stepson a little over a month ago...

BROWNE: I'm sorry, say again. You lost what?

CALLER: My stepson.


CALLER: About a month and a half ago.


CALLER: And he starting coming to us in our dreams. It's kind of a two-part question. I was wondering -- I've been praying to the Lord every night, you know, to open my heart and to let me remember my dreams.


CALLER: And...

BROWNE: Honey, it's been too soon and it was traumatic, too. This was another traumatic. See, listen to me, I'm a psychic and a medium, and my father died, it took me 10 months to get ahold of him. When he finally showed up, I said, "where the hell have you been?" He said to me, "I've been in orientation." A lot of times when we go over there, we orientate, do you see what I'm saying? So you will start dreaming about him.

CALLER: One more thing. My husband gave him -- he was -- we're Catholic, and my husband gave him a St. Joseph Medal, and it was -- I mean, it's missing. And some kids had went into his room, you know, after he died, and we were just wondering, would you know where that St. Joseph's Medal might be?

BROWNE: It was a short, dark-haired kid. I don't know whether his name was Jerry or Gerald or whatever, but it was a short, dark, curly haired kid that got it.

CALLER: Thank you so much, Sylvia.

BROWNE: All right, darling.

KING: Now, you see that kid taking the medal, is that what you're seeing?

BROWNE: Absolutely.

KING: Warwick, Rhode Island, hello.

CALLER: Hi, Larry. Hi, Sylvia.


CALLER: Years ago, I used to have dreams, not so much now, but about like reading someone's obituary or seeing their tombstone.

BROWNE: Right.

CALLER: I just wondered what that meant.

BROWNE: Well, let me tell you something. When I was 5 years old, if somebody was going to die -- this sounds kind of gross -- but I used to see their faces run. And that was kind of depressing, because it was sort of like that "Raiders of the Lost Ark." I know now when somebody is going to pass, but I even really ask God to remove some of that, you know, because we don't want to walk around seeing tombstones and everybody's face run and all that. You know, it doesn't do any good.

KING: It was a passing phase?

BROWNE: It was a passing, because I just -- I don't want to do that.

KING: I remember you were on our show for "Sixth Sense," and you bought that film completely?

BROWNE: Oh, absolutely. Absolutely, I did. The only thing that I was sorry is -- and God knows I'm not a director -- I just wish that they would have had them talk those people over. Do you know what I mean? It sort of fell flat then.

KING: His new film is -- and it's an excellent film, by the way, folks -- is called "Signs."

BROWNE: "Signs."

KING: It's a lot more than about the signs in the ground. Do you believe in life in other planets?

BROWNE: Oh, of course. How ridiculous to think that we are this little tiny dot on the end of the Milky Way.

KING: (UNINTELLIGIBLE) another universe?

BROWNE: No, I really haven't.

KING: That would be interesting.

BROWNE: Yeah. KING: Maybe there is a guy named Org, like dot-org.

BROWNE: Dot-org. Or maybe Gore, or whatever.

KING: Gore was a candidate.

BROWNE: Well, same thing.

KING: We'll take a break and come back with Sylvia Browne, and more of your phone calls on this edition of LARRY KING LIVE. It's Friday. Don't go away.


KING: You do have to hit, right? You can't just type



KING: I don't do these machines.

BROWNE: I know, me neither. I'm so stupid.

KING: OK. Ironton, Ohio for Sylvia Browne. Hello.

CALLER: Hello, Larry. Hello, Sylvia.


CALLER: Hi. I have a question. I've been having recurrent dreams about pregnancy, and my husband and I, we've been married nearly a year and we feel like we're ready for a baby. It seems like every time I have one of these dreams, I find out that a friend or a family member is pregnant.

BROWNE: Pregnant, yeah, rather than you.

CALLER: And I just want to know, is a pregnancy, a baby in my future?

BROWNE: Yeah...

KING: In your dreams, are you pregnant?

CALLER: In my dreams, it's me carrying the baby, and then I find out it's somebody else.

BROWNE: It's somebody else. Yeah.

KING: What does that mean?

BROWNE: That's a wish dream. That she wishes that it's her. You'll get pregnant in March, and it will be a girl.

KING: You know that already?


KING: And her name is Elizabeth and she's going to be very nice.

BROWNE: No, she's going to be stubborn.

KING: And when she's 3 years old, she'll have a touch of asthma, but it will go away. I feel this.


KING: I don't know what the I'm talking about.

BROWNE: It's rubbing off.

KING: But she will have a baby, that's good.

BROWNE: Yes, she is.

KING: Lake Havasu, Arizona, hello.

CALLER: Good evening, Larry. Good evening, Sylvia.



KING: Go ahead.

CALLER: Yeah, my wife actually wanted me to call. She's a really big fan of yours, Sylvia. And I've been having a dream for the last few years of being chased. I don't know who it is chasing me, but I actually wake up in the middle of the night sweating. It's pretty frightening sometimes.

KING: Are you running?

CALLER: Yeah, I'm actually running from somebody and it's like they're after me, I don't know to kill me or what. I don't know what it means.

BROWNE: This is what we call a past life dream, and this did happen to you during a life in when you were in the Revolutionary War. So what you've got to do is, it doesn't matter whether you believe this or not. When you go to bed at night, say to yourself, "whatever I went through that was chasing me," this is different than the gorilla going up this thing. "Whatever was chasing me that was going to kill me, I want it to be resolved and dismissed, because it's a past life thing that you didn't live through. Do you see what I'm saying?

KING: And it will get him through it?

BROWNE: Get him through it.

KING: That's the basis when you have these kinds of things, is to get through it?

BROWNE: Yes, get through it.

KING: Long Island, New York. Hello.

CALLER: Hi, Sylvia. I have a question. My father passed away about five years ago, and every night, almost about 1:30 in the morning, I usually hear footsteps, or sometimes when I wake up in the morning, he -- I think I see him walking across. I don't know if I'm dreaming, or...

BROWNE: No. No. I've said this many times on television: 1:30 to 3:30 in the morning -- and I could never understand why in the hell they can't come at a decent hour -- but I'll tell you why.

KING: They don't know the time?

BROWNE: No, they don't know the time, that's true. But also, the dew is heavier then and because they're electrical, they can conduct easier on that time. So at 1:30, I just say, hi, how are you doing? I mean, you know, it's just they're coming to visit.

KING: That's all it is?

BROWNE: That's all it is. Checking in.

KING: Toronto, Canada, hello.

CALLER: Hello, Larry and Sylvia. I was wondering if you could offer an explanation to a dream or vision I had while meditating.


CALLER: ... around the age when I was 16, I felt like I had left my body.

BROWNE: Yes. Actually (ph).

CALLER: And saw like a white light...


CALLER: ... and a road.

KING: And a what?

CALLER: A road, a path.

KING: A road.

BROWNE: Yeah. See, this is what -- you know how they're always saying that people that have death experiences, scientists say it's deprivation of oxygen. See, what you did was you had -- I don't want to call it a near-death experience, but you had the exact same thing that I did my research on, is you had an astro dream, you went through the tunnel, you went through the road. It's the same thing we do when we die. It doesn't mean you were dying, it just means you were getting to the other side.

KING: And it happened while meditating?

BROWNE: That's right.

KING: Does that make any difference?

BROWNE: Well, she was in an altered state.

KING: West Haven, Connecticut, hello.

CALLER: Hi, Sylvia. Hello?

KING: Go ahead.

BROWNE: Yes, sure, I'm right here.

CALLER: OK. I have had a dream, my aunt passed away three years ago, and I've had a dream about her taking care of my baby who died 16 years ago. Sometimes in the dream, I see my daughter as a baby and other times, I see her as a grown-up.

BROWNE: Yes, because we're all 30 on the other side.

CALLER: OK. So she is there taking care of her?

BROWNE: Absolutely. They're together. Wasn't she short?


BROWNE: Yeah. I mean, you know, the older woman, wasn't she short?

CALLER: Yes, she was short.

BROWNE: And kind of wavy hair?


BROWNE: Round face?


BROWNE: Pretty round eyes?


BROWNE: Yes, she's there.

CALLER: She is there?


KING: What do you mean we're all 30 on the other side?

BROWNE: We're all 30. KING: What do you mean?

BROWNE: Just that. We're 30.

KING: (UNINTELLIGIBLE) was 95; he's 30?

BROWNE: He's 30. Now, if I said 40, you'd probably say, "why 40?" That's what I said when I heard that. But you know, so many religious writings say and the desert will bloom like a rose and we shall all be 30.

KING: And so if you were 10, you'll be old?

BROWNE: You'll be 30. That's why she keeps saying they're older and then younger.

KING: We'll be back with our remaining moments with Sylvia Browne. I'll even tell her a Larry King dream. I don't often do this, but I will. I need analysis. Don't go away.


KING: I don't want to take away from the audience, so I'll tell you the dream quick. It was years ago, I was dead broke. I'm walking down the street, I see an envelope. There's $10,000 in it, cash. I take it home, I put it in my suit jacket. I'm dreaming of all the dreams I'm going to pay. It's the highest morning of my life. I jump up, it was the most realistic dream. It wasn't there. I tore the closet apart, screamed and banged the wall.

What was that about?

BROWNE: It was very fortuitous, showing you that things would come, that things would be, that you would eventually find more than $10,000.

KING: Yes I did, but it ticked me off.

BROWNE: Well sure it did, because it was so real you wanted...

KING: It was so real.

BROWNE: I know, you wanted to find it.

KING: Find it, I had spent it!

BROWNE: Exactly.

KING: (LAUGHTER) Crescent, Minnesota, hello.

CALLER: Hello. Hi Larry.


CARLSON: Hi Sylvia. I'm a big fan of yours. I have a few of your books. My question to you is, from what the doctors tell me, I'm very limited on my time left here, and I have an 8-year-old son. And with this dream thing and communicating through the dreams, what do you recommend I tell him to prepare him?

BROWNE: See, I'm not going to argue with your doctor, but I'm telling you right now -- and I don't say this because Larry asked me earlier, do I tell people bad things, yes. I don't see you going right away. I know that you have some problems with the lymph system and everything else, but I don't see you going right away.

KING: Let's say the doctor says this, you don't see it.

BROWNE: I don't see it.

KING: But she feels it. Does she present something to an 8- year-old?

BROWNE: Yes, well, but see, I don't want her to present something to the 8-year-old, and then she keeps on, you know, living. But she could say yes, mama is going to heaven, but mama will always be there watching out for you.

KING: Nothing wrong with saying that?

BROWNE: Nothing wrong with saying that. I think the more honest we are with children, the better because kids are not stupid.

KING: Tiffin, Ohio, hello.

CALLER: Hi, Sylvia?


CALLER: It's so nice to talk to you. My question is, my mother died when I was 9 years old and I struggle with ADD really bad. I've been in...

KING: That's attention deficit...

BROWNE: ... disorder.

CALLER: Right. I've been in school for three years to be an LPN. And I sometimes think that she's around me trying to help me. I pray to God, I pray to her to help me through things.

BROWNE: Especially when you're studying.


BROWNE: And you know what she'll do, she'll ticker-tape messages through your head.

CALLER: Uh-huh.

BROWNE: You know, like even in multiple choice, if you're really quiet, she'll give you the answer.

CALLER: Oh my gosh. So all I have to do is shut my mouth and open my brain?

BROWNE: Exactly. That's with all of us, honey: shut our mouth and open our brain.

KING: Not bad advice. I never learned anything when I was talking.

BROWNE: Isn't that true?

KING: Greatest advice I've ever heard.

London, Ontario, hello.

CALLER: Hi, Sylvia?


CALLER: I need to ask a question. I've had constant (ph) now for years, and I do have visits from the past, members of my loved ones.

BROWNE: Family.

CALLER: The number 11-11, like whether I'm asleep or whether I'm awake. I hear this voice and it says look at the clock.

BROWNE: And it's 11:11.

CALLER: What is 11-11?

BROWNE: 11-11 in numerology, because I have -- I've been in this business for, you know, 66 -- 49 years practicing. 11-11 has always been a high spiritual number. When I look at the clock, it's always 7:11. I mean, not at, you know, the grocery store or whatever.

But it's funny how numbers -- but it's strange because 11 has always been known as a high spiritual number, which shows me that you're getting the signal that you're spiritually advancing. But you've known that anyway, in the last five years you're spiritually advancing.

KING: Very spiritual in Vegas. If you roll 11. It wins or it loses for you.

BROWNE: Well, that is spiritual.

KING: By the way, can you fix a horse race or predict a horse race?

BROWNE: I did for Art once. I said, bet on something with a royal name, and he did. And he called me back on Steve Edwards' (ph) show and said, I won. But I don't usually...

KING: Why don't you do it all the time? Why do you need to fool around with this?

BROWNE: No, because I can't do it for me. I can't do it for me.


KING: Chicago, hello -- do it for me. Chicago?


KING: Yes.

CALLER: Hi, I was calling for Sylvia, I wanted to ask her a question...

KING: She can hear you, go ahead.

CALLER: I was calling because my mother passed away July 30 last year. And she had a horrible death in the hospital. She went in for pneumonia to cut it short. She stayed in there five-and-a-half months and kept catching infections...

BROWNE: Yes, but you know that she had staph and -- or strep, too?

CALLER: She had all kinds of things. All kinds of thing.

KING: What's the question?

CALLER: Well, she had a horrible death, I think. We don't know because she suffered so many times. And I keep having bad dreams all the time.

BROWNE: No, but honey, that's a release dream. Her lungs did fill up with water and she did pass, but it was a horrible death.

See, what you're doing is you're putting your fears on her. Do you see what I'm saying?

CALLER: I feel guilty because I put her in there and...

BROWNE: But honey, you were trying to make her OK, you were trying to save her life.

KING: Guilt though, oftentimes...

BROWNE: Oh sure, absolutely, for everybody.

KING: ... misplaced.

We're out of time. What do you dream about? What was the last dream you had?

BROWNE: I dream -- if I'm doing too many readings, I dream about horses running...

KING: Ah-ha, so I was right! So the double tomorrow at Saratoga? Just a double? I don't need the exacta. I don't need the pick six. Give me two numbers tomorrow -- go. Two numbers.

BROWNE: I don't know, four and seven. I don't know.

KING: Four and seven is the double at Saratoga, OK. I'll alert my friends, Howie (ph), Sid (ph), Ashley (ph)...

BROWNE: And you know that I get a finder's fee? You know that...

KING: OK, you'll get one, boy, we pay.

BROWNE: All right.

KING: Thank you Sylvia Browne.

We'll be back to talk to you about tomorrow night right after this.


KING: Tomorrow night on "LARRY KING WEEKEND," we'll repeat our interview with R.J. Wagner, who's currently again Number Two in "Austin Powers: Goldmember."

Sunday night we'll repeat the haunting interview with Erin Runnion, whose young daughter was killed last week.

And Monday night, Anna Nicole Smith will come on with us live after the debut of her show on E! on Sunday night, and she'll be taking your phone calls.




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