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Interview With John Edward

Aired September 6, 2002 - 21:00   ET


LARRY KING, HOST: Tonight: He sees dead people, says he talks to them too; and he's here to talk with you: John Edward.
Do you believe there's more to existence than this life as we know it? He claims there is, and tonight he'll take your calls.

TV's top psychic phenomenon is next on LARRY KING LIVE.

It's always a great pleasure to welcome John Edward to this program. We'll be taking lots of calls tonight, so get in early and keep on trying. If you get a busy signal, just please hang up and call back.

A couple of quick notes. Tomorrow night, we're going to do a complete program on LARRY KING WEEKEND of where were you, people we've asked over the last year where they were on 9/11. You'll find it fascinating.

We will do a live edition on Sunday night. Normally we're on tape. Dan Rather will be the co-host. We'll meet heroes of 9/11.

Monday night's guest is Walter Cronkite.

John Edward is our guest tonight, the host and executive producer of "Crossing Over With John Edward," which began its second nationally syndicated season September 3. He's a "New York Times" best selling author. The paperback version of "Crossing Over, The Stories Behind The Stories" is out this month. There you see its cover.

How do you explain -- John, were you surprised at the success of the show?

JOHN EDWARD, WORKS AS PSYCHIC MEDIUM: Actually, I was surprised. I wasn't shocked, but I was surprised. I was happy that it was received so well, and I'm still honored that I've had the opportunity to, you know, have the forum to discuss this work in a way that people can kind of watch in their own home and say, I'm not sure, I think I believe, but the reaction is, it's helped so many people.

KING: What time of day are you usually played? You know, it's in syndication, some stations might choose to show it in the morning, some at night.

EDWARD: It varies, actually. Some states, it's on in the morning, some in the afternoon, and we are also on Sci-Fi at 11:30 p.m. at night as well. KING: That's right. They strip (ph) you every night.

EDWARD: Right, Sunday through Thursday.

KING: Do you like having your own show?

EDWARD: Yes, I do. I like the -- I'm a control freak. I admit it. And I like having the opportunity to kind of say, OK, this is what I'm doing, and this is how I want the work to be perceived. And to me, it's always been about the work, to try to make it less about me and more about what I do.

And I think that's what people have resonated with. I try to make it seem like, OK, it's not about me, the medium, I only get in the way for a little bit. Like when I'm sitting there in the audience or I'm doing a reading with somebody, I feel like I'm getting in the way of their relationship with their own relative and friend from the other side.

So for like 20 minutes, a half hour, however long I'm talking to them, you know, I'm getting in the way. Once I'm done, you know, their relationship is still intact. And my goal with the show is to let people know that they don't need the medium, they don't need anybody to connect with the other side as long as they have belief.

KING: I'm told John that now one of the changes is you're doing more readings of celebrities.

EDWARD: One of the things that I have found that people seem to like is the celebrity aspect. It's not been one of my favorite things to do. People that I work with know that. But the audience likes to see that, so...

KING: Why isn't it?

EDWARD: Why isn't it? I think that with this work, there's so much credibility that you have to fight for, that once you sit with somebody who's famous, there's this kind of, well, he's sitting with, you know, Melissa Gilbert. You know, obviously, you know, people want to see if Michael London is going to come through.

Or if I was to sit with somebody -- you know, if I sat with Lisa Marie Presley, you know, obviously, we're going to see if Elvis is going to come through.

So to me, as much as people like to see that -- it's the one thing that they can all identify with -- I personally prefer to work with people that are not of celebrity stature.

KING: Do people have to believe for it to work?

EDWARD: No. People have to listen. People have to be open- minded. They need to be objective. I think they should be skeptical.

You know, I used to joke around and say that I was a diseased skeptic when I was younger. Now I say I'm a healthy skeptic, but I'm not cynical. And I think there's a big difference.

To be cynical means that no matter what you would experience on your own, no matter what you would see, no matter what you would study, you would just never believe it, because that's -- you're lacking a belief system. Usually people are either agnostic or they're an atheist, they don't have a belief in God.

To be skeptical, I think, is you're just basically saying, I'm not sure, let me see.

KING: Shouldn't, when you think about it, every believer, every religious person should believe in you, because they all tell us there is life after. It is the agnostic,maybe, or questions in the atheists, certainly, who says there isn't.

EDWARD: You know, I never get into whether people should or should not believe. Early on...

KING: I mean, logically, though, the believer should accept...

EDWARD: Sure. But I think that's where we come in with free will in our belief systems and what we have been taught and what we experience. And then there's the emotional aspect of it's too painful to re-deal with a person's passing. There's so much stuff that goes into that.

KING: How many people do you know can do what you do?

EDWARD: I think everybody can do what I do. That's something that I try to get out there, that you don't need me.

I think that I've been doing this work, and I say I've been a student of this process for 18 years. And I think that if anybody was to focus on this work, and understand this and be a student of this for as long as I've been doing it, they will develop their abilities in a similar vein.

KING: Now if you're a psychic, could it be that you're reading the subject, thinking about the person, rather than the person?

EDWARD: For many, many years people would say to me, you know, you've got a great gimmick, a little trick thing going on there. You know, you're a mentalist, you're able to read their minds, and that's how you know that stuff.

That's not true. And when you say it's not true, you can see in sessions when you're doing a reading for somebody, when I'm sitting there with somebody getting information from the other side and passing it on, they're looking at me like I'm absolutely insane. That person does not exist, they don't know what I'm talking about, or there's a prediction that comes up for the future, it hasn't happened yet.

Once it takes place, when they go home and they ask their mother, do we actually have this person who passed, and they say yes; or when the event takes place six months from then, you can't read a person's mind if they didn't have it in there to read. So that kind of goes away.

KING: We'll be taking calls shortly.

Do you remember the first time this happened to you?

EDWARD: The first time this happened to me?

KING: Where you -- someone dead contacted you?

EDWARD: I can say that I remember back to experiences that I thought were normal, having a dream of my mom's father coming through to me repetitively when I was a child and I used to call him my little old man friend.

I never called him my grandfather, I never knew the man. But when I would describe him to my mom and my mom's mother, my grandmother, you know, they would be like, oh, that's your grandfather. And I used to think, you know, OK, whatever.

All I knew was I would dream about this man and he would give me like little tidbits in my dream about my family. And I would relay it back and my mom and my grandmother would enjoy what I would tell them because they knew that there's no way possible I would know anything about this man.

KING: What comes through you to John? Let's try to explain this.


KING: What -- do you see something, or do you hear? What...

EDWARD: I think a big misconception with this work is that people think that a psychic or a medium -- I'm seeing them like I'm seeing you.

And I can only speak for myself. I don't want to speak in broad strokes for every medium that's out there, of which there are many around the world that are equally as talented who might not ever sit in front of a camera or write a book or go on the radio, they just do their thing.

But I don't see them the way I'm seeing you, because they're not of the physical world. They're vibrating at a higher frequency. It's kind of like taking a helicopter blade, you know, when it's not airborne, you can look and see there's four or five blades. Once it takes off and those blades are moving at an accelerated rate, at a higher frequency, you can't really see it, yet we know it's still there.

It's kind of like that. And I will see images in my mind. I will hear things, thoughts in my mind. And I will get clear sentient feelings.

So basically I'm seeing, hearing and feeling energy that I'm interpreting in my own frame of references. Sometimes I get it right, sometimes I get it wrong.

KING: These dead people are somewhere? Or are they in some sort of spirit, ghostly world?

EDWARD: I think that they're in a different dimension. But I think it's a dimension that coexists in some way with ours.

KING: Not in a physical body?

EDWARD: Not in a physical body. It's more of an energy body. It's more an energy world.

Again, you know, one of the things that I use as an example, is when somebody is having a hard time, you know, especially after some of the events that we've all lived through, explaining death to a child. You know, kids don't accept the answer anymore, this person is in heaven. Now they want to know, how do you get there? Why can't we go there?

So I feel like, you know, we need to kind of help explain a little bit better where heaven might be for that person in their belief system. And I use the example of a glass. I say, when we're born, you know, this is our body and, you know, God pours the soul into the body. Over a lifetime, what happens to that water? A child would knows through school that it evaporates and that it changes form. Why? Because they have been taught that. They're taught that the water will change form and it will evaporate.

And it kind of lets them know that the energy, the soul that evaporates out of the body is like the air and it's all around them. And it's much more comforting for a child to know that their grandfather is all around them, rather than that far-off place, heaven, that they want to know how to get there.

KING: I understand that. But how can that soul, spirit speak to you?

EDWARD: Well, they can't speak to me in the way that we're speaking.

KING: So what are you hearing when you...

EDWARD: A misconception is that it's a voice that I'm actually getting.

It's thought. It's kind of like, you know, you're married. You have a relationship with your wife. You guys can finish each other's sentences. You guys can have a conversation that an outside person will look and be like, they're not talking like normal people would talk, because you've built up an energy bridge.

What happens as a medium, you kind of act as a conduit and they kind of project their thoughts to you as if I was a radio. So they project their energy, and I'm able to pick that up and hopefully interpret it correctly. Sometimes I do and sometimes I don't. KING: John Edward, his television show is a success. His book was a major best seller; it's now out in paperback. "Crossing Over" is the title of both.

Your calls are next on this edition of LARRY KING LIVE.

Don't go away.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP, "Crossing Over With John Edward")

EDWARD: You cut down his tree?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Oh my God, the tree in the backyard.

EDWARD: You cut down his tree?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes, at the cemetery. We just noticed it yesterday. We went Father's Day with the kids. The tree was gone that's right by the plot, right in front. They cut it down, they said, so the sun could shine on daddy.

EDWARD: That's a nice way of covering it, because that tree was how people found him.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes. That's how we noticed when we drove to the mall. We used to look for the tree so we can see the plot. Oh my God.




EDWARD: Somebody's got a unique name with a C, like cuss.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Concheta (ph). My mother.


EDWARD: Has your mom passed?


EDWARD: This is for you. Your mom's here. Was your mom loud?


EDWARD: She's annoyed that you didn't get everything she said.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And we still don't.

EDWARD: She's telling me, first of all, don't call her Concheta.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She always said that.


KING: Those clips, of course, from John Edward's first season, very successful syndicated show.

Let's go to your calls for the famed psychic medium, John Edward.

Nevada City, California. Hello.

CALLER: Hi. Hi, Larry. Hi, John.

EDWARD: How are you?

CALLER: I'm good.

EDWARD: How can I help you?

CALLER: What can you tell me about my dad?

EDWARD: Well, first of all, whenever I do this, especially live like this, I can only tell you that -- I can only pass on to you what it is that I'm getting. I might not connect with your dad.

CALLER: That's great.

EDWARD: OK. I will just listen to what's coming through, I may be able to connect with him. What's your first name?

CALLER: Collese (ph).

EDWARD: Put your dad on hold for one second, OK? Sometimes I connect with people that you're not expecting to hear from, and this might be an example of that. I'm being told that there is some type of younger male that I would see as being to your side, who has crossed. And that to me I would see as being like a contemporary to you. So I don't know if you've lost a friend or if you have got a cousin or somebody around you lost a brother, but there's like a younger male who passed. And it is illness related. It's somebody who had either leukemia or AIDS, but it's a blood disease that they passed from.


EDWARD: And there has got to be some type of connection to the month of July for this family. I feel like it's either where you live, where you grew up, or who you grew up with. But I feel like it's somebody that I would spend time with. I am not connecting with your dad. I just wanted to say that right from the get-go and say that this is what's coming through. I do think that there is a Thomas or a t-connection that's going to be coming up around this in some way.

Are you not originally from where you are calling me from?

CALLER: Correct.

EDWARD: OK. I feel like it's where you are originally from, or where you would be originally from is where this is connected. So growing up around where you lived, somebody that you would have some type of contact with is where this is connected to. So that's what I'm getting as I talk to you.

KING: Does that cross with anything you have, ma'am?

CALLER: I had a brother who died before I was born who had leukemia, named Tim.

EDWARD: So that would be your contemporary. So it happened where you grew up originally, correct?


EDWARD: So I am not connecting with your dad. That would be the male figure to your side. When I say to your side, that to me is a sibling or a contemporary.

KING: Thank you, ma'am. Our guest is John Edward. The book, "Crossing Over," the television show -- you have to check your newspaper for time and station. Glen Oak, New York. Hello.

CALLER: Hello.


EDWARD: Is it Glen Oaks, Queens?

CALLER: Yes, it is.

EDWARD: I actually lived there.

CALLER: Yes, I do.

EDWARD: No, I said I actually lived there.

CALLER: Really?

EDWARD: I grew up there.

CALLER: Really?

EDWARD: Early on.

CALLER: OK. Just like to hear anything from my parents or my sister. Hello?

EDWARD: Hold on a second. I'm sorry. I don't know who this is from. I don't know if this is for you or it's for the next person -- and there are people in the studio so I don't know -- let me just say this. Is there like a Ronny or a Ronald connection to you?

CALLER: A friend, yes.

EDWARD: Is he still here?

CALLER: As far as I know.

EDWARD: Is he out of your state?

CALLER: Not that I know of.

EDWARD: OK. There is a Ronny or Ronald connection that I'm supposed to be bringing up, and somebody -- and I'm sorry to say this live -- somebody who passed from a suicide. And it's -- it's gunshot related from what I'm seeing.

CALLER: I have a cousin, distant cousin, up in Connecticut, Ronny.

EDWARD: Is there somebody connected to him that passed like this?

CALLER: Not to my knowledge that I'm aware of.

EDWARD: OK. What's coming through as I'm listening to your voice is that. Is that I'm getting the acknowledgement of like Ronny or Ronald, there is an acknowledgement of somebody who passes out of state, and there's a connection to a gunshot where somebody crosses themselves over.

Unfortunately, and that's what's coming through. And I'm going to tell that you there are two younger energy like children who have crossed, somebody lost like two pregnancies or somebody lost two babies as well, in some capacity in there.


EDWARD: So, just remember that I said that, OK?


EDWARD: Thank you.

KING: Thank you, sir.

When you say gunshot, is someone telling you gunshot? What do you...

EDWARD: I feel it, like I hear it. Like there's -- it's like a quick and sudden. It's different. Like if I get a localized feeling of an impact, that to me is more like a gunshot or being hit in one area, as opposed to that type of feeling which is more like an impact like a vehicle. So over time, you learn what certain things mean.

And sometimes they're completely wrong. For example, we had somebody that was there for a private session not too long in the show, and I'm insisting there's an orphanage connection. I'm insisting, because I am seeing the play, "Annie." And I'm going, somebody have an orphanage connection, they did adoption issues, they worked with children. And she is going, no, no, no, no -- and at the end, she goes, "well, my name is Annie." And that's not normally how I would get it. I would normally say, I'm getting a name like Anna or Ann. In this case, I got her name as being Annie related to play.

KING: East Cloud, New York. Hello.

CALLER: Hello?

KING: Go ahead.

CALLER: Hi, John, could you tell me a bit...

EDWARD: Hold on one second. Don't say anything. Just yes or no if you can, there's an older female like your mom has crossed.

CALLER: My mom's crossed. Yes, just July 3.

EDWARD: Wait a second, wait. Let me just say this, OK, because I have got -- the first thing I've got listening to your voice I have got a mom figure who's coming through. I'm supposed to talk to you about Ellen or Helen. So I don't know if that's who she's with, but there is an Ellen or a Helen type name, it's an L name with a vowel in front of it who's also passed?

CALLER: I have a train going through. I can hardly...

EDWARD: There's an Ellen or a Helen name that I'm supposed to -- there's the train. There's an Ellen or a Helen name that I'm supposed to acknowledge being there. Also, can you...

CALLER: OK, John. I can hear you.

EDWARD: OK. There's an Ellen or a Helen connection that's with your mom that I'm supposed to be acknowledging, so I don't know if that's her side of the family or your dad's, but there's an older female. And somebody passed from either congestive heart failure or pneumonia. Do you understand that? Hello?

KING: Ma'am, do you hear him?

CALLER: Yes, there is.

EDWARD: OK. Now, you didn't see your mom before she passed?

CALLER: Yes, I do.

EDWARD: No, you didn't...

CALLER: Yes, hi.

KING: Ma'am, turn your television down.


EDWARD: You didn't see your mom before she passed?

CALLER: Yes, I was with her when she passed.

EDWARD: OK, so that would be a no. Let me say this again. I'm supposed to tell you that you did not have the opportunity to talk to your mom in the way that you wanted to talk to her prior to her passing. Do you understand that?


EDWARD: I'm also supposed to acknowledge a huge, massive, massive infection that somebody had, so they either had gangrene or they had some a serious, like infectious disease. That's also there.

CALLER: John, I can hardly hear you.

KING: I'm sorry, ma'am. We will work on that.

EDWARD: Well, that's what's coming, so remember it. OK? I'm sorry.

CALLER: That's OK.

KING: Thank you. Let's try this call. Atlanta, Georgia, hello. Atlanta, hello.

CALLER: Hi, Larry. Hi, John.

EDWARD: How are you?

CALLER: OK. My question is, if someone tried to develop their psychic ability like I'm trying to reach my husband who passed, what should I hear? Should I hear a voice, should I see pictures, should I feel something? What? Because right now it's kind of been nothing.

EDWARD: OK. It actually -- it depends upon you. And I really wouldn't be able to tell you specifically. Like, for example, when I developed my abilities, I developed my claireaudiant (ph) abilities the strongest, for some reason, and clairvoyant came in like a close second, and (UNINTELLIGIBLE). So it means like hear first, see second, feel last.

So it really depends upon you as a person. And the way you would know that is by documenting it. So I would remember you getting like a salt and pepper, you know, a regular school notebook and write down your experiences. But I would try to -- if you are really trying to develop, you really need to be objective. So you need to actually try to read people that you are not related to, and you have no knowledge about. This way, you will get more validation -- one, from them and two, for yourself -- to prove to yourself that you are actually interpreting this information correctly. Do you follow what I'm saying?

CALLER: Yes, I do.

EDWARD: Now, is Paul connected to you?

CALLER: I have a cousin.

EDWARD: OK. Did his mom just pass?


EDWARD: OK. You need to tell Paul that his mom saw this as her opportunity to come through for you. And also, you just put your dog down or somebody just lost their dog?

CALLER: When my husband passed, his dog died.

EDWARD: Like right around the same time, then?

CALLER: Three days away.

EDWARD: OK. You need to know that your husband then and your dog would be together. Did you actually make the comment that they couldn't live without each other?


EDWARD: OK. I feel strange telling you this but I've got to say this: It's as if you would joke around that the dog would be like the other woman, or like that was his girlfriend, or he would spend more time with the dog?


EDWARD: OK. I'm supposed to tease you about that. I'm also supposed to tease you about -- and I'm so sorry and I'm just very thankful that people can't see you, because I think if you were here, you'd hit me for saying this. I am supposed to tease you about some type of walking outside in a nightie or walking outside in like -- not dressed properly kind of way, whether to get your mail or to get something or -- there's a funny story about this?

CALLER: It's not ringing a bell with me.

EDWARD: Oh, sure, you just don't want to acknowledge it live on TV, but that's OK. That's right. Leave me out here. That's OK. Just remember I said this. But I -- just know that what they're showing, it's not him, it's not him saying he did it. He's kind of putting it on you. And he wants me to remind you about February.

CALLER: That's his birthday.

EDWARD: OK. Thank you.

CALLER: Thank you, John.

KING: Try to be specific, will you?

We'll come right back with John Edward on this edition of LARRY KING LIVE. Don't go away.


EDWARD: He does want to put you on the spot. I'm very, very -- Jo, is your fiance?


EDWARD: He told me he wants to put you on the spot because he's making me feel like you are the dancer, you are the this, you are the that. And he's also making me feel like you know. You know the wedding you went to?


EDWARD: OK. Do you know how much you pissed him off at that wedding?




EDWARD: ... passings close together, or if there were just three significant dates that fall within a short period of time that they want me to acknowledge, but I feel like we're supposed to go like, you know, two in the same month and one might be the next month or six weeks later. But there's like dates that happen like that, and I'm supposed to acknowledge that somebody passes from lung cancer, somebody passes from blackness of the chest, which is lung cancer in some way for me?

CALLER: My father.

EDWARD: And I'm also supposed to acknowledge that either he had a tattoo on his entire front of his chest, or somebody had some type of like scarring or a marking on their chest? Do you have any idea? I have no idea what this is.

CALLER: Well, he -- from surgery.

EDWARD: On his chest, though?

CALLER: Yes, he had lung cancer. He had a lung removed.

EDWARD: Yeah, but would they do it -- they would do it on the chest here? No, they would do that through his back?

CALLER: Well, he did have surgery from the front as well.

EDWARD: OK. Because my mom had lung cancer surgery, and it was like more underneath, and I'm not seeing that. I'm getting it like across in some way.

He's telling me to tell you June is significant. So there's either a birthday or anniversary in the sixth month. OK? Hello?

CALLER: No -- OK, go ahead.

EDWARD: There's something about June, like specifically around the 12th or 13th, like right before what I would see as being Flag Day for me here. There is something in the middle of June, like the 12th or 13th that he wants me to acknowledge, and he is telling me to acknowledge Laura, or Lori (ph), or Lorraine -- but there's an L.R. name that he wants me to make mention of.


EDWARD: But it would be your dad's way of coming through. And he's also making me feel like -- I don't know if you are planning a cruise, but there's an acknowledgement of travel over water.

CALLER: Travel over water?

EDWARD: Travel over the water -- on the water, not in a plane over water.


EDWARD: All right, thanks for calling.

KING: Thank you, ma'am.

To Fort Wayne, Indiana, with John Edward, hello. Fort Wayne, hello.


KING: Go ahead, sir.

CALLER: Hello?

KING: Go ahead.

CALLER: Oh, hi, Larry and John.

KING: How are you.

CALLER: Fine. I have got some questions. I was wondering about some people in my life that have passed. Lost my father.

KING: Go ahead.

EDWARD: I'm not -- I'm not getting anything from you.

KING: Anything specific, sir, your father...

CALLER: OK, my father...

EDWARD: I'm not connecting with you.

CALLER: My father.

EDWARD: I'm not feeling anything from him.

KING: I'm sorry, sir. Thank you.

EDWARD: Sorry.

KING: When that happens, how do you explain it?

EDWARD: I couldn't connect with them or they couldn't connect with me, or it's just...

KING: You don't know. Temple, Texas. Hello.

CALLER: Yes. Hello, John.

EDWARD: Hi, how are you.

CALLER: I'm just fine. My name is Diane.

EDWARD: Stop right there, Diane. I have a couple of things. Let me just jump right in there. The first thing I'm going to tell you, I don't know if this is for you or if somebody around you lost their son, but there's a younger male energy that I need to acknowledge. Do you understand that?

CALLER: Not a younger, no.

EDWARD: Well, to me, he's coming across as what I would see as a younger male, and he's telling me he passes on an impact, like he is thrown from something.

CALLER: Doesn't sound familiar to me, but go on, please.

EDWARD: Let me just tell you more. There is a younger male that's coming through, I would see this as somebody being below you -- below me -- below you -- would be like son, nephew, grandson, or a connection like that. Passes by being -- he's thrown -- he has an impact but he's thrown from this, he's like thrown, like he's -- he's off the bike, he's off the moped, he's off whatever this is. Passes as a result of that.

He's connected to either David or he's connected to the D. name, like a D.A. name, like David or Danny or Dale. Or there's a D connection that comes up with this. That's the first thing. And then your connection to October is what?

CALLER: My daughter's birthday.

EDWARD: OK. And she's still here?


EDWARD: OK. In some way, should I be connecting this younger male to your daughter, is this a friend of hers? Like, would you know if that's connected in that capacity?

CALLER: I don't think so. She's only 7.

EDWARD: That's fine. I want you to remember what I'm saying. This is like what they're showing me. And they're telling me two marriages.

CALLER: Yes, that's correct. EDWARD: And they're making me feel like -- four pregnancies?


EDWARD: They're telling me there's four children, which to me means that there's either four children, there's four pregnancies. Doesn't matter how many you had, I'm just telling you what they're showing me. Miscarriages count. Children that don't make it here count for me in that capacity. And they're making me feel like there is separate from the younger male with the impact, connected to the way I saw it, there's also somebody who passes either from a brain tumor or somebody who had something that affected their head, like aneurysm...


EDWARD: Or embolism.


EDWARD: And they're making me feel like that would be connected to your family, like by blood in some capacity, like it's your family. Do you understand that?

CALLER: Yes, I do.

EDWARD: OK. I'm also supposed to tell you that the 15th or 16th is significant as well. So I feel like either somebody got sick on the 15th or the 16th of the month. Or there's a turning point that happens.


EDWARD: You need to ease up, because they're making me feel like you had a major issue, either with an insurance company, where I'm surprised that you didn't have a stroke on the phone the way you were arguing with somebody.

CALLER: It doesn't sound familiar.

EDWARD: This would have been like in the last three, like three months, three years, but they're making me feel like it's intense. Because I feel like there's a major dialogue, health care related, insurance, dealing with an institution of some sort. And they're bringing it up. This is what's coming up around you.

KING: Thank you, ma'am. I've got to get a break. We'll come back with more calls for John Edward. His book, "Crossing Over: The Stories Behind The Stories," and it is now out in paperback. The television show goes into its second season in syndication. We'll be right back.


EDWARD: Somebody's got coco?


EDWARD: What's Coco?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: My grandmother's name, who just passed.

EDWARD: They're telling me to say Coco.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Her last name is Coco. Her dog's name was Coco, too.



EDWARD: Did you guys play at her house?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We live in her house. Well, we bought her house.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We bought her house.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And we're rebuilding it.

EDWARD: You don't have children yet? But if you have somebody...


EDWARD: OK, you have kids.


EDWARD: OK. Of playing age, like young?



EDWARD: She wants you to be careful with the steps.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The steps just went in.




EDWARD: I'm also supposed to tease you that either you have her perfume and you sprayed either an animal or you sprayed a teddy bear?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Oh, my goodness, I cannot even believe that you are saying this!

EDWARD: You didn't know I was a peeping John, did you?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You are so great. I love you.


KING: John Edward. We go to London, England, hello.

London, are you there? Hello? London, are you there?

CALLER: Hello?

KING: Yes. Go ahead.

CALLER: Hi. My question for John, do you have a -- like a spirit guide that talks to you?

EDWARD: I actually -- I do. I have quite a few. My -- I think every single person has what's known as a master or guide, and they're with you from the day that you are born until the day that you cross over yourself.

I think throughout your life, depending on the lessons that you are working on, that you are here to learn, you have different energies that will assist and guide you to help give you insight.

I don't mean to be a party pooper here, but I don't believe it's our family and friends who have crossed over that are actually playing that role. I always say to people, if you think about it, wouldn't you want somebody who is kind of over there a little bit longer than maybe somebody who just passed a few years ago kind of guiding you on the other side. When they think about it like that, they say yes. That's a great question, thank you.

CALLER: No problem.

KING: Do you have another question? I think we lost her. I'm sorry, ma'am.

Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, hello.

CALLER: Hi, Larry. Hi, John.

EDWARD: Hi, how are you?

CALLER: My name is Ron. I'm doing very well. We recently lost three family members pretty close in succession. I just wondered if you could make a connection?

EDWARD: Please don't laugh when I say this, OK?


EDWARD: You didn't lose a horse, did you?



EDWARD: I said don't laugh, and you laughed.

CALLER: Oh, sorry.

EDWARD: I know this is going to sound strange, but I say it as I get it, somebody is connected to you has a horse who passed, because they're showing me what I would see as not gambling horses, but like either horses on a farm or it's a reference to get me to that side of the family. And there's also a connection to somebody who passes who either had pancreatic or colon cancer?


EDWARD: Somebody had cancer, lower in the body.


EDWARD: It's that connection. Is this on your mom's side of the family, as well?

CALLER: It's -- it's through a marriage.

EDWARD: But it's going to be through the mother's side of the family.


EDWARD: Because they're making me feel like it's through mom's side of the family. And they're also making me feel there is somebody who had a horse who passed. Somebody either bred horses, they were an equestrian, they rode, but they lost a horse.

CALLER: I'll look into that.

EDWARD: Where's the Jane connection or Jeannie?

CALLER: Jane would be sister-in-law.

EDWARD: OK. Ask her. Because they're telling me to connect it either through either Janey or Jeannie.


EDWARD: In that family, the older male must have passed as well, like the father figure there. Because they're telling me to acknowledge that somebody was at their wedding. So, somebody in that side of the family must have lost their dad before they got married.

KING: Are they sending messages to him? I mean, you say, "they tell me to"?

EDWARD: One of the things that people would say to me, you know, actually, my uncle is one of the people who said this. So, they're like, OK, great, so you get all these factual things about people who had passed. What does that mean? What's the big message?

That is the big message. The big message is, I could say -- or anybody could say to somebody, oh, they love you. They're with you. They miss you. They are with you. They're standing behind you playing with your hair and make somebody feel really, really happy for the moment.

But then, I think everybody has innate skepticism that will kick in, or when they go to share that experience with somebody, they're going to look at you like, are you insane? Because what were you actually told?

So, when you get information like you have a horse that has passed, that sounds absolutely insane. But when they find out that they do, or that they did. And this information comes through that this man was at his daughter's wedding. That is the message, one, that there's a survival of consciousness and that the bonds of love that we have in life continue.

KING: Thank you, sir. We go to Waycross, Georgia.


CALLER: Hi. This is Becky.

EDWARD: Hi, how are you?

CALLER: I'm fine. I'm shocked that I -- that my call got through. I'm very interested to hear what you have to say. I hope that you can connect.

EDWARD: I hope I can, too. The first thing I'm going to tell you, I don't know if you're familiar with my symbols, but if I talk about somebody being to your side. That means it's going to be like a husband, a brother, a cousin, a friend.


EDWARD: There's a male figure that is connected to your side who has crossed.


EDWARD: OK? I'm also going to tell you that connected to this male figure who has crossed is either his mother or yours, but there's an older female who is there, you understand that?


EDWARD: I'm also supposed to talk about either you having knee surgery or somebody having surgery to their leg.

CALLER: My father who has crossed had knee surgery to both legs.

EDWARD: Then he had it four times, or like five times. They were four or five procedures for that, correct?

CALLER: There were several. EDWARD: I'm supposed to tell you that somebody had either Alzheimer's or somebody was not of clear mind before they passed. And they have clarity back, OK?


EDWARD: And there's somebody in the health care field, through marriage for you. Like your sister-in-law's a nurse, your mother-in- law was a nurse, that type of a thing.

CALLER: Best friend?

EDWARD: No. Nope. Not best friend.

CALLER: Not somebody in the family.

EDWARD: No, no. It is family. Somebody works in health care. Because I'm seeing white. That comes up with this.

So, again, let me just reiterate. The male figure to your side has to be like the husband or brother figure; older female, like mom, would be connected to that. And the issue with the knees, that would be your dad's way of coming through. Was he a cop? There's a cop connection here. Is that him?

CALLER: What connection?

EDWARD: A police officer.


EDWARD: Yes, there is.

CALLER: Police officer?

EDWARD: Somebody's in the uniform where they had a badge, or a shield. So, whether they're a sheriff, whether they're a state trooper, a deputy -- they wore a uniform and they carried a badge.

CALLER: Well, now, my uncle, who is still living, was in law enforcement.

EDWARD: OK. That's connected to one of these people?


EDWARD: That would be their way of acknowledging that person. Is there a Jack or J connection to that?

CALLER: Whew, no?

EDWARD: There's going to be a Jack or J connection to this as well. Remember it as I say it, don't stretch it to be what it's not. Let it be what it is. But thank you for calling.

KING: Thank you. And they may learn things after, right? EDWARD: That's my favorite part, one of the things we're doing on "Crossing Over," and we've been doing. And everything that's coming up on "Crossing Over," now -- I can't believe we're going into our third year -- but everything that we're doing, we're following up with the first two years that we have been on the air. And it's amazing to see the some of the people, like some of the stuff that came out after the fact. So, we're going to...

KING: Whereas they denied it, and then they...

EDWARD: Or they didn't know it, or it hadn't happened yet. Or some pretty amazing things that people may be seeing.

KING: Back with more of John Edward. Tomorrow night, where were you on 9/11? A compendium of guests who answered those questions over the last year. Sunday night, we're live in New York with Dan Rather and guests. Dan will be sort of the co-host.

Monday night, Walter Cronkite is the special guest. A two-hour edition of LARRY KING LIVE on 9/11, will include Laura Bush, Attorney General John Ashcroft, Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton, Governor George Pataki and others.

We'll be right back.


EDWARD: You have a Catholic background?



EDWARD: Did somebody make after special trip to Mexico City or like...

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: My mother just went to Puerto Rico to do a mass for my grandmother.

EDWARD: OK. I wish I would have said it first, but what I was going to say is this. And don't anybody do this again. What I was going to say, is they're showing me Our Lady of Guadalupe, which is a site, an apparition site.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: That's my grandmother's name, Guadalupe.

EDWARD: That's why they're showing Our Lady of Guadalupe. That's why I'm glad I said it. OK. Because she shows me in Mexico City, there's a shrine to Our Lady of Guadalupe. So, that's your mom?






UNIDENTIFIED MALE (as John Edward): Phys. Ed?




UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Sh-sh-sh! Finance, phonics!


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Philosophy? He taught people?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes, yes. He did! He taught a fishing course at the Learning Annex!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. That's not real teaching. I'm sorry. How am I supposed to get that? How am I supposed to get that? Screw you, guys. You guys are dead to me! OK, I'm over here now.



KING: You like that? "Saturday Night Live," were you watching that night?

EDWARD: Actually, always watch "Saturday Night Live." That night, my wife and I fell asleep. My brother-in-law, Joe, called me up. He's like, put it on! Put it on! I rolled. I rolled. It was so funny.

KING: That's great. You've made it when they do it.

EDWARD: That was funny.

KING: Peterborough, Ontario, for John Edward.

Hello. Hello?

CALLER: Hi, John?

EDWARD: Hi, how are you?

CALLER: I'm fine, thank you. I'm so happy to get through.

EDWARD: Oh, thank you.

CALLER: My name is Karen.

EDWARD: Stop right there, Karen.

CALLER: I watch your show all the time.

KING: Do you have a question, Karen?

CALLER: I do. I wonder if John can connect to my mother.

EDWARD: I don't know, but let me tell you what I can tell you. Are you pregnant now?

CALLER: No. I don't think so.

EDWARD: OK. Let me tell that you that there's a congratulatory message of somebody being pregnant now.

CALLER: OK. There's a possibility that somebody in my family may be.

EDWARD: Yeah? It's going to be a big possibility, because they are.

CALLER: OK. Great.

EDWARD: I'm going to tell you also, did your mom pass -- your mom must have passed in the last two years?


EDWARD: She either passed by her birthday or your dad's?


EDWARD: OK. I need to acknowledge that she has her daughter with her or she has a younger sister with her as well. But somebody lost a younger female that's connected to her.


EDWARD: There's a unique name, like Abigail, or Abbey. I hear a B sound, but it's softened by a vowel in front of it, so whether it's a nickname like Ubi or Obo. I don't know what this is. But I hear the B, it's a consonant, but there's a vowel in front of it that's softening it. OK?

I'm also going to tell you that they're has to be something unique about corn and husking corn. I don't know if you guys have something hanging on your wall that I would see as being like, corn- related, or if that's something that she would have or it would be a validation that you have that's hers?


EDWARD: You have this?


EDWARD: OK. Where? Like where would you have this?

CALLER: I have lost your voice, completely, John, but keep talking.

EDWARD: Just know that -- I'm just curious to know what this actually was, because she shows me the cornhusk and it's like hanging. Please know that your mom sees this as her way of coming through. I'm supposed to be talking about somebody who either had a malformation of their foot or their toe or something that would be surgical on the foot to correct something?

Can you hear me?

CALLER: Very, very vaguely, John.

KING: Then you'll have to move on.

EDWARD: You will get it.

CALLER: I have you on tape, so keep talking.


EDWARD: Just remember that I said this. But just know that your mom is OK. And that she's with the people that I talked about. Thanks for calling.

KING: Thank you.

Onward to Duluth, Georgia.


CALLER: Hello?

EDWARD: Hello.

KING: Hello.

CALLER: Good. How are you doing, John?

EDWARD: I'm doing good.

CALLER: Good. I'm just seeing if you can connect with anything?

EDWARD: The first thing -- actually, a couple of things. Somebody's got a nickname after a spice, like pepper?

CALLER: I'm sorry?

EDWARD: Somebody has a nickname after a spice, like pepper? Who's got a spice name?

CALLER: Spice name? Don't know.

EDWARD: Salty or pepper, cinnamon.

CALLER: Oh, my dog.

EDWARD: OK. What's the name?

CALLER: Her name is Ginger.

EDWARD: Has that dog passed?


EDWARD: OK. Then you got that dog after somebody passed. Because they're making me feel like I need to bring up the dog, because they're bringing up the spice name. I'm also going to tell you that -- I think what I'm supposed to tell you is that there is either there's a boyfriend who passed for you, or a husband that's passed for you. But I don't feel it now.


EDWARD: Remember what I'm saying, OK? There's a male figure that has passed, but it's not a now thing. I'm not predicting it, it happened already, it would be somebody that would be connected to your side, but there's a love bond that's there.

To me, it's not a brother, it's like -- it doesn't feel like a brother to me. It feels like it's somebody's boyfriend or feels like somebody's husband. But it's like somebody that you were involved with, or somebody who was involved on that level who has passed that I'm getting this connection to. That's what's coming through. Probably not who you want to hear from, I'm sorry.

But the reference does come through, first and foremost, to the spice connection. Sorry.

CALLER: OK. All right.

KING: Thank you.

By the way, for the four months after 9/11, we have musical selections close our program every night. And we're going to start doing that again for one week starting Saturday night, and tomorrow night, Alan Jackson. Maybe the country music performer of the year, will perform for us tomorrow night on LARRY KING WEEKEND. Other performers, next week, will include Cher and Celine Dion. We'll be right back with our remaining moments with John Edward right after these words.


EDWARD: Oh. Did you have an argument with your mom before she passed?


EDWARD: Somebody did.


EDWARD: Somebody had an argument with mom. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Well, yeah?

EDWARD: She's making me feel like it's your job to alleviate that. OK? She wants you to have them let that go. It's not important. You know what I'm saying. It's not important.

But you know what? If your mom didn't pass, it wouldn't have been as big of a deal, right? But once she passes, now there's no way now of really kind of bringing that closure here. I feel like what she's doing, is she's making me feel like, this is her message and gift to the family. Is to please make sure we let this go.




EDWARD: Are there restrooms on this bus?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes, I had to bus cross country.

EDWARD: So, there had to be something happened with using the facilities, that the facilities weren't working or that somebody go stuck going to the bathroom some place else?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes, I came off the bus. And we missed the bus to Philadelphia.

EDWARD: Because he makes me feel like I have to bring this up, that you had to use the restroom and you didn't want to use the bus.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I was trying to get away from somebody else.

EDWARD: He's making me feel like you didn't want to use what was happening on the bus itself, so you actually had to stop, while they were gassing up, went to use the restroom -- and they left without you.


EDWARD: OK. He's claiming that he never let you live that down.


EDWARD: You know?



KING: Go to York, Pennsylvania, for John Edward.

Hello. York, hello?

CALLER: Hi, Larry. Hi, John Edward. Thanks for taking my call.

EDWARD: How are you?

CALLER: I'm fine, thank you.

KING: What's your name? What's the question?

CALLER: My name is Christine. I'm just wondering what John could tell me? Tell me anything, John, maybe my dad?

KING: He's thinking. He's thinking.

EDWARD: Hold on a second.

CALLER: He's thinking.

EDWARD: I'm only quiet for one reason and -- I'll just say it, they're telling me to acknowledge there's been an issue or there is an issue with somebody having an alcohol problem, do you understand that?


EDWARD: You understand that?


EDWARD: And that it's not in check completely?


EDWARD: That's something -- you're one of three?

CALLER: One of two.

EDWARD: Well, they're telling me one of three. Do you know if they lost a child?


EDWARD: OK. You're one of three. Whoever is giving me this information, there's somebody who passed -- they passed from like cardiac arrest. They died from a heart attack.


EDWARD: And also -- is that your dad?


EDWARD: Is there a reason why your dad would not go by his name? That he would go by the name of a place?

CALLER: Not that I know of?

EDWARD: Somebody has a name like would be off of a map or something. Like they would be named for a location. Like they called the person, you know, New York or they called the person, Brooklyn or they called the person, you know, Boston. They called the person by a place name, in some capacity, that would be connected to him. And Ed is connected to him, as well. Where is the Ed word in your family?

CALLER: None that I know of. I know he had a friend at one time named Ed.

EDWARD: Your dad?


EDWARD: More than likely, he's telling me to acknowledge there's an Ed that's with him. There's somebody who passed either right after surgery, or a procedure was done and the person then crossed. Do you understand that?

CALLER: I think so.

EDWARD: There's like a medical procedure and then the person passes. It's not your dad, but somebody else that would be with him. They're telling me to acknowledge Florida. Where are you from?

CALLER: I'm from Pennsylvania.

EDWARD: What's the Florida connection to the family?

CALLER: My grandfather used to go to Florida half-year.

EDWARD: Is that on your mom's side, though?


EDWARD: OK. And he's got two daughters?

CALLER: Not that I know of. As far as I know, my mom's an only child.

EDWARD: He's telling me to acknowledge the two girls, so that he would see -- there's like two girls that would be on your grandfather's side of the family, below him, like he had two daughters, the two nieces, the two granddaughter's. But there's two of them. And that there's a connection to Millie or Melissa. Or the ML name, as well, for that family. That's what's coming through.

But again, I want to reiterate what your dad said, there's an issue about alcohol that's not in check and that should be looked at.

KING: Thank you very much. To Dallas, Texas.


CALLER: Hello.

KING: Yes, go ahead, Dallas. Go ahead. Are you there, go ahead.

CALLER: Yes, I'm here.

EDWARD: Hello.

CALLER: This is Sally from Dallas.

EDWARD: Hey, Sally. How are you?

CALLER: I'm fine. Thanks for taking my call.

EDWARD: Our pleasure.

CALLER: I wanted to ask John, today is a special day for my family, and I wanted to know if you could -- today is a special day in my family, and I wondered if you had a message for us?

EDWARD: Yes, actually, I'm going to use this as an example. One of the things that I want to tell people, is that if they have the opportunity to do what I'm doing right now, go see somebody in the area that does this. Don't do what this lady just did. And that is give us information. Like don't say today is a special day.


KING: Why?

CALLER: I can't hear you, John.

KING: OK. Well, there's something wrong with our phones. Just hang up, ma'am and turn up your television.

EDWARD: When somebody gives you information like that, it's kind of, one, pigeon-holing the reading. And it's saying that, OK, if that doesn't come through, it's going to discount and not validate the rest of the experience. But it's also setting her up, you know, to give the information to somebody else. If it's a special day, it would be nice if that came through during the session. It might not.

But what's important to recognize for anybody, that you don't need a medium like myself to convey to you that today is a special day. I think the most important thing, if you have a belief system, a belief system in knowing that your loved ones and friends are still connected to, then every day is a special day. And that, to me, is the important thing.

KING: Thirty seconds. Is this taxing for you?

EDWARD: It can be. I have to kind of like maintain. I try to work out and eat right. And just kind of focus myself and pace myself so it doesn't become that taxing. It's emotionally draining.

KING: Because people must come up to you in airports and say, tell me about my uncle.

EDWARD: I have to say, I'm eternally appreciative to the people that stop me. Because when they stop me, they stop me to thank me for the show. And that they're really appreciative of what I do. KING: We thank you for coming.

EDWARD: Thank you.

KING: John Edward, "Crossing Over," the show in another season. The book now in paperback.

We'll tell you about the weekend right after this.


KING: Sunday night, we'll be with you live. Dan Rather co- hosts. And we'll meet American heroes of 9/11. Tomorrow night, we'll ask a bunch of people where they were on 9/11. And we'll conclude with Alan Jackson, with a special song.




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