CNN LIVE AT DAYBREAK
International News Desk
Aired October 21, 2002 - 05:55 ET
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CATHERINE CALLAWAY, CNN ANCHOR: Of course, we are following a number of international stories throughout the day here on CNN.
To see what's going on, we have our senior international editor David Clinch with us -- hello, David.
DAVID CLINCH, CNN INTERNATIONAL EDITOR: Hi, Catherine.
We have the situation you hear of them in the military talking about whether they can fight a war on two fronts.
CLINCH: Well, this North Korea story has presented us with that problem. We were all attention on Iraq and putting a lot of resources on that story. We've had to divert, luckily, we have ample resources, but we've had to divert some of those on this North Korea story. Fascinating story. And today we've got a situation where in Japan and South Korea you've got those countries dealing with North Korea as they have been on a continuous basis, and now sort of finding themselves in some ways as they...
CALLAWAY: A mediator.
CLINCH: ... the middleman with the U.S.
CLINCH: Although, again, we're still asking the...
CALLAWAY: It that kind of unusual?
CLINCH: Well, it is unusual. You have to remember, the United States, China, Japan and South Korea are all in this together anyway. They're all part of this agreement with North Korea, which the North Koreans have broken, basically, their promise.
CLINCH: And now as part of that process that's continuing, they all have talks with North Korea and they're also all in the midst of trying to normalize relations with North Korea. Well, that's all, that's basically where we are today. The South Koreans and the Japanese telling the North Koreans no way are we going to have normal relations until you sort out this thing. You broke your promise. You cannot expect us to give you money and aid and everything else while you're making nuclear weapons.
But on the other hand, they're not really, perhaps, in the same situation as the United States is in potentially at some point in the future confronting them militarily or having a, you know, a confrontation of that kind.
CALLAWAY: The other story that we were talking about earlier, David, is very interesting. You were talking about some of the behind-the-scenes things going on in the Mideast.
CLINCH: In the Middle East, yes, another story which, you know, there's a lot of attention being paid in the United States at the moment to the sniper story and to Iraq and North Korea. But behind- the-scenes, the United States embarking on a very ambitious plan to try and get everybody, their allies and others in the Middle East, on board with a plan to have a Palestinian state created at some point over a period of maybe two to three years in cooperation with all of the Arab countries, with the Israelis. The Palestinians eventually getting around to talking to each other again. They're not even really talking to each other right now.
CALLAWAY: Well, I was going to say, we've heard this before, the Palestinian state.
CLINCH: Well, we have...
CALLAWAY: But two to three years is a long time.
CLINCH: It is. And that's the problem that the U.S. senior envoy on this situation, William Burns (ph), is on his way around the Middle East at the moment. He was in Egypt. He's talking to the Egyptian leaders, the Saudi leaders, Jordanians, Syrians, everybody he can talk to, basically, to say look, we can't deal with this right now, but we do have a plan on the table and we want to get to it eventually. It'll take a lot longer than some of these Arab countries would like it to take, though.
CALLAWAY: They're not happy at all some of the attention of the U.S. has been diverted, are they?
CLINCH: Exactly. Exactly.
And another big story that we're dealing with which, you know, again, it's kind of difficult in some ways to make these stories sound interesting, but the expansion of evacuate. There was a vote in Ireland over the weekend which basically approved the expansion of Europe.
CALLAWAY: Mega Europe now?
CLINCH: Yes, a mega Europe. I mean it's hard to make these stories really sound sexy, as it were. But think about this. Over a period of time, and it'll take, you know, years, maybe a decade or more, 10 more countries, maybe more, will be added to Europe. You're going to end up with a half a billion people there and a massive economy. This is changing the world, slowly but surely changing the world.
CALLAWAY: Where you're from.
CLINCH: From Ireland, yes.
CALLAWAY: That's your home.
CLINCH: Yes, and a very, I mean look at Ireland as an example. Thirty, 40 years ago, Ireland was an agricultural country with practically zero economy.
CALLAWAY: Not anymore.
CLINCH: Now it's one of the, per capita, richest countries in Europe and it is, in voting yes, acknowledging that, you know, you can benefit enormously, but eventually you have to pay your way, too.
CALLAWAY: All right, David. It's going to be another busy day for you. I've never seen you not have a busy day over there.
CALLAWAY: I mean what am I saying?
CLINCH: It's always busy.
CALLAWAY: It's always busy.
CLINCH: All right.
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