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CNN International News Desk

Aired November 04, 2002 - 05:33   ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.

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CATHERINE CALLAWAY, CNN ANCHOR: Let's check out what's going on now with our senior international editor David Clinch -- hello, David.
DAVID CLINCH, CNN INTERNATIONAL EDITOR: Catherine.

CALLAWAY: Interesting developments with the...

CLINCH: Good morning.

CALLAWAY: Good morning to you.

CLINCH: Yes.

CALLAWAY: .... with Benjamin Netanyahu and Ariel Sharon.

CLINCH: Right. We don't know who's going to win. They're sort of playing at that election now, even though it's not going to happen for a period of time. We don't know who's going to win that. We do know who has won the Turkish election. Now, why should we care? Why should a U.S. audience care?

Well, first of all, the party that won in the Turkish election over the weekend is a very, very Islamist or pro-Islamist party by origin. Now, what do I mean by Islamist? It's an interesting thing. I was just discussing it with somebody here. Islamic is used all the time to describe religious background. Islamist is the word we use when we describe a political party which -- and this party in particular at one point in its existence espoused the idea of an Islamic state. So that's what we mean by Islamist.

They now no longer say that's what they want. They say they buy into the idea of secular Turkish politics and that's, you know, that's great. That's fine. The fact is they have a lot of policies and a lot of things in their background that are of serious concern to the United States, a key NATO ally right next door to Iraq, U.S. bases there that might be used if they attack Iraq. It's a very interesting development in Turkey. We're going to have to watch that very, very closely.

CALLAWAY: And what, you know, how important this is would be especially if there was an attack (UNINTELLIGIBLE).

CLINCH: Well, it remains to be seen. They won by a long, they won very easily so I suppose they could do anything they wanted to.

CALLAWAY: Right. CLINCH: But it's unlikely they'll make any radical moves. They're certainly not going to try and back out of NATO or not let the U.S. use bases in the initial stages. But I think over a period of time, the Americans are going to have a lot harder time persuading this government to come in line in terms of what they want to do against Iraq than a more secular government would be.

CALLAWAY: Right.

CLINCH: So we'll see.

CALLAWAY: While here on the national desk we're focusing on the elections, what else are you guys working on?

CLINCH: Yes, well, we've got some interesting video in the hostage taking drama in Russia that we saw last week. We got some interesting dramatic video that was shown on Russian TV. I don't know if we have that here and now.

CALLAWAY: Yes, there it's. That's it.

CLINCH: But this is the actual play that was in progress. You see people reacting onstage here. You see these people walking onstage. You can only imagine the people in the theater, what they must have thought, these people with guns coming on. Is this part of the play?

CALLAWAY: Right.

CLINCH: What's going on? Shots fired. Obviously, very quickly people realized what was going on. This continues for a while and we're not going to show you the whole thing. But there's some very dramatic video of the actual hostage taking. Look at this guy pointing his gun here.

CALLAWAY: Oh, my goodness.

CLINCH: Very dramatic stuff. So we're going to be looking at this closely and, you know, the Russians, in the meantime, are taking it out on the Chechens down in Chechnya. They've launched a new military offensive down there, as well.

CALLAWAY: I'm sure we'll be seeing much more of that video today. We'll show...

CLINCH: Right. One more thing I just wanted to quickly mention, I want you all to watch "Oprah" tomorrow.

CALLAWAY: Why?

CLINCH: Why?

CALLAWAY: Are you on?

CLINCH: I'll tell you more tomorrow. No, I'm not on. But the Oprah Winfrey people have asked us at CNN to put together a series of reports which will air, ironically, on election day, of what the rest of the world thinks of the United States. We did that. It'll air tomorrow. I'll tell you more about it tomorrow morning.

CALLAWAY: All right, we'll look forward to it.

CLINCH: Great.

CALLAWAY: I'll see you tomorrow morning.

CLINCH: OK.

CALLAWAY: Thanks, David.

A busy day for you again.

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Aired November 4, 2002 - 05:33   ET
THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.
CATHERINE CALLAWAY, CNN ANCHOR: Let's check out what's going on now with our senior international editor David Clinch -- hello, David.
DAVID CLINCH, CNN INTERNATIONAL EDITOR: Catherine.

CALLAWAY: Interesting developments with the...

CLINCH: Good morning.

CALLAWAY: Good morning to you.

CLINCH: Yes.

CALLAWAY: .... with Benjamin Netanyahu and Ariel Sharon.

CLINCH: Right. We don't know who's going to win. They're sort of playing at that election now, even though it's not going to happen for a period of time. We don't know who's going to win that. We do know who has won the Turkish election. Now, why should we care? Why should a U.S. audience care?

Well, first of all, the party that won in the Turkish election over the weekend is a very, very Islamist or pro-Islamist party by origin. Now, what do I mean by Islamist? It's an interesting thing. I was just discussing it with somebody here. Islamic is used all the time to describe religious background. Islamist is the word we use when we describe a political party which -- and this party in particular at one point in its existence espoused the idea of an Islamic state. So that's what we mean by Islamist.

They now no longer say that's what they want. They say they buy into the idea of secular Turkish politics and that's, you know, that's great. That's fine. The fact is they have a lot of policies and a lot of things in their background that are of serious concern to the United States, a key NATO ally right next door to Iraq, U.S. bases there that might be used if they attack Iraq. It's a very interesting development in Turkey. We're going to have to watch that very, very closely.

CALLAWAY: And what, you know, how important this is would be especially if there was an attack (UNINTELLIGIBLE).

CLINCH: Well, it remains to be seen. They won by a long, they won very easily so I suppose they could do anything they wanted to.

CALLAWAY: Right. CLINCH: But it's unlikely they'll make any radical moves. They're certainly not going to try and back out of NATO or not let the U.S. use bases in the initial stages. But I think over a period of time, the Americans are going to have a lot harder time persuading this government to come in line in terms of what they want to do against Iraq than a more secular government would be.

CALLAWAY: Right.

CLINCH: So we'll see.

CALLAWAY: While here on the national desk we're focusing on the elections, what else are you guys working on?

CLINCH: Yes, well, we've got some interesting video in the hostage taking drama in Russia that we saw last week. We got some interesting dramatic video that was shown on Russian TV. I don't know if we have that here and now.

CALLAWAY: Yes, there it's. That's it.

CLINCH: But this is the actual play that was in progress. You see people reacting onstage here. You see these people walking onstage. You can only imagine the people in the theater, what they must have thought, these people with guns coming on. Is this part of the play?

CALLAWAY: Right.

CLINCH: What's going on? Shots fired. Obviously, very quickly people realized what was going on. This continues for a while and we're not going to show you the whole thing. But there's some very dramatic video of the actual hostage taking. Look at this guy pointing his gun here.

CALLAWAY: Oh, my goodness.

CLINCH: Very dramatic stuff. So we're going to be looking at this closely and, you know, the Russians, in the meantime, are taking it out on the Chechens down in Chechnya. They've launched a new military offensive down there, as well.

CALLAWAY: I'm sure we'll be seeing much more of that video today. We'll show...

CLINCH: Right. One more thing I just wanted to quickly mention, I want you all to watch "Oprah" tomorrow.

CALLAWAY: Why?

CLINCH: Why?

CALLAWAY: Are you on?

CLINCH: I'll tell you more tomorrow. No, I'm not on. But the Oprah Winfrey people have asked us at CNN to put together a series of reports which will air, ironically, on election day, of what the rest of the world thinks of the United States. We did that. It'll air tomorrow. I'll tell you more about it tomorrow morning.

CALLAWAY: All right, we'll look forward to it.

CLINCH: Great.

CALLAWAY: I'll see you tomorrow morning.

CLINCH: OK.

CALLAWAY: Thanks, David.

A busy day for you again.

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