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CNN INSIDE POLITICS

Bush Rallies Nation For War, But Are Americans Afraid of Doing it Alone?; The Motivation for Moseley-Braun's Presidential Campaign

Aired February 20, 2003 - 16:00   ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
GEORGE W. BUSH, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: we will prevail.

ANNOUNCER: The commander-in-chief rallies the nation. But are Americans getting antsy again about going it alone?

Carol Moseley-Braun, presidential candidate, is she running to send a message, or does she think she can win?

Getting in the swim of campaign 2004 coverage. Are the Democrats overexposed?

(END VIDEOTAPE)

ANNOUNCER: Live from Washington, this is INSIDE POLITICS with Judy Woodruff.

JUDY WOODRUFF, HOST: Thank you for joining us. We begin with the Bush administration biding its time in the showdown with Iraq. In this "NewsCycle," Secretary of State Colin Powell says he expects to hear from Turkish officials by the end of the day on whether they will let U.S. troops use bases in Northern Turkey.

But the Turks indicate that a final decision is not likely before next week, as they weigh Washington's so-called final offer of $26 billion in economic aid.

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COLIN POWELL, SECRETARY OF STATE: There may be some other creative things we can do, but the level was our ceiling. And I know that they are in consultation now within their government, within their council of ministers, and I expect to hear back from them before the day is out.

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WOODRUFF: President Bush is keeping tabs on war preparations from Crawford, Texas. A senior administration official now says that the U.S. and Britain will wait until next week to offer a second resolution on Iraq to the United Nations.

Let's bring in our White House correspondent now, Suzanne Malveaux. Suzanne, how long is the administration willing to wait? They're saying it's got to be now. The Turks are saying, it's going to be next week. How long are they willing to wait on Turkey?

SUZANNE MALVEAUX, CNN WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: Well, obviously, there's a sense of urgency from the military that's poised to send in U.S. troops. But the senior administration officials that I spoke with today say there's no timetable, there's no deadline for Turkey to respond. The White House is really treating this very gingerly. A senior administration official saying, and I'm quoting here, that, "Turkey is a valued friend, diplomacy is never pretty."

But having said that, White House spokesman, Ari Fleischer, earlier today, really making it very clear the importance of the alliance with Turkey to find out sooner, as opposed to later, if those U.S. troops are going to be allowed on Turkish soil. He said earlier today, "This is not a bluff. The U.S. is preparing for war, in case a decision is made to go to war. We have to deal with realities, and we will. And if basing is not allowed in Turkey, we have no choice, we will pursue other options -- Judy.

WOODRUFF: Well, Suzanne, beside all these negotiations, so to speak, with Turkey, what else is the president doing as the White House pushes for that second U.N. resolution?

MALVEAUX: Well, the president is at his Crawford ranch for the weekend. It's really going to be a working weekend. He's hosting the president of Spain, Jose Aznar. He is a key ally and a U.N. Security Council member. Earlier today, the president was in Cob County, Georgia, that is where he is pushing his economic stimulus package. But, also, making the case against Saddam Hussein and saying that war is not inevitable.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

BUSH: But as we insist that Congress be wise with your money, we're going to make sure we spend enough to win this war. And by spending enough to win a war, we may not have a war at all.

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MALVEAUX: So, Judy, the president trying to convince the American people that still war is not inevitable, but there's going to be a lot of hard work ahead on the diplomatic front. They are hoping to get this resolution tabled to introduce it to the U.N. Security Council sometime midweek -- Judy.

WOODRUFF: All right. Suzanne, thanks very much.

While Bush administration officials keep working to get the allies lined up behind them, they may want to take another look at opinions here at home. Our senior political analyst Bill Schneider is with us now. Bill, what about those anti-war protests all over the country last weekend. Is that not having an effect on overall public opinion anyone.

WILLIAM SCHNEIDER, CNN SENIOR POLITICAL ANALYSTS: Well, it looks like it did. The public's view of Iraq has shifted twice in the last few weeks. In late January, before Secretary of State Powell testified to the U.N. Security Council, a third of Americans held the view that the U.S. should invade Iraq event without a new U.N. vote authorizing the use of force. The largest number, 40 percent said the U.S. should invade only if the U.N. endorsed the use of force. And 22 percent said the U.S. should not send troops at all.

Now, on February 5, Powell testified, and the number of Americans who said the U.S. should invade, even without a new U.N. vote, grew to 39 percent. And that became the prevailing opinion. The number who thought the U.S. should wait for a new U.N. vote shrank to 34 percent. Those who said don't send any troops remained steady. The momentum had clearly shifted in the Bush administration's favor.

WOODRUFF: So has public opinion shifted again?

SCHNEIDER: Yes, it has. In the past week, we've had Hans Blix's report and massive anti-war protests around the world. Now, the number who say invade Iraq even without the U.N. has dropped to 30 percent, below where it was in January.

Once again, the prevailing opinion is get a new U.N. vote. And the number who oppose sending any troops at all is up slightly, to just over a quarter. The past week has seen another momentum shift, this time, away from war.

WOODRUFF: So are Americans sensing, Bill, is this what you are saying, that the rest of the world may not be with the U.S. on this?

SCHNEIDER: Well, Judy, the public sense is that president Bush is a growing target of criticism in the world. We asked Americans whether or not they think leaders of other countries have respect for President Bush. And look at this trend.

A year ago, only 21 percent of Americans felt President Bush was not respected. And that number has been growing steadily. Now, after the events of the past week, a striking 55 percent of Americans think the rest of the world does not respect President Bush. Americans clearly are feeling increasingly isolated.

WOODRUFF: All right. At the White House looking at these numbers, Bill Schneider, thanks very much.

Well, in addition to Iraq, President Bush had the economy and the state of Georgia on his mind today. Mr. Bush promoted his embattled tax cut plan at a high school in suburban Atlanta. He got a rousing introduction, but not as usual from a Republican. The only Senate Democrat who endorsed the president's economic plan, Georgia's Zell Miller did the honors.

The pitch came on a day of downbeat economic news. Wholesale inflation took a higher than expected jump last month. The federal trade deficit soared to a record high last year, and weekly jobless claims hit a seven-week high And the leading index of economic indicators slipped in January, after three consecutive months of increases. We'll find out how the markets reacted to all that ahead. We check in with the 2004 Democratic hopefuls in "Our Campaign News Daily." Florida Senator Bob Graham is still recuperating from heart surgery, but is moving ahead with the presidential plans. Graham announced he will file papers next week, setting up his campaign exploratory committee. He also revealed that last month's surgery included what he called a discretionary double bypass, in addition to the replacement of his aortic valve.

Meantime, Howard Dean has added another Hollywood activist to his roster of celebrity endorsements. Director Rob Reiner endorsed dean this morning in Los Angeles. Reiner was a major Hollywood fund raiser for Al Gore in the last election cycle. Actor Martin Sheen has already endorsed the former Vermont governor.

Senator John Kerry gets the star treatment in the upcoming issue of Vogue magazine. A profile of the senator in the March issue includes a series of photos by celebrity photographer Annie Leibovitz, including this shot of Kerry wrapping up a day of wind surfing.

The Reverend Al Sharpton stayed up late to chat with Jay Leno on the "Tonight Show" last night. Sharpton talked about his childhood, his hairstyles and singer Michael Jackson, as well as why he opposes current U.S. policy toward Iraq.

Just ahead, my interview with one of the many Democrats campaigning for president.

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CAROL MOSELEY-BRAUN (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Now, we've never had a woman, or a black or a minority president of the United States, and it's time. It's time.

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WOODRUFF: Former Senator Carol Moseley-Braun talks about her reasons for running and much more.

Also ahead, why is a major newspaper comparing the Republicans to "The Sopranos"? That story in "Our Daily Debate."

Plus, you saw the pictures of people apparently flocking to buy duct tape, but how many really followed Tom Ridge's advice? Stay with us to find out. This is INSIDE POLITICS, the place for campaign news.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

WOODRUFF: President Bush arrived in Texas this afternoon, as we mentioned, he is spending the weekend at his ranch in Crawford. Fifty-eight percent of Americans give the president a thumbs up, according to a new CNN-"USA Today"-Gallup poll. That is down from an approval rating of 61 percent earlier this month.

Coming up next, I'll speak with a woman who is running for president, Carol Moseley-Braun.

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WOODRUFF (voice-over): It's time to check your "I.P. I.Q." Who was the youngest president? Was it A: John Quincy Adams, B: Theodore Roosevelt or C: John F. Kennedy? We'll tell you the answer later on INSIDE POLITICS.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

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WOODRUFF: Former Illinois Senator Carol Moseley-Braun is the only woman and the second African-American to enter the race this year for the Democratic presidential nomination.

When I spoke with her a little while ago, I started by asking if her description of her campaign as a liberation movement for women and blacks sounds like something other than a presidential campaign.

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MOSELEY-BRAUN: Well, except that we, you know, we've never had a woman, or a black or a minority as president of the united states. And it's time. It's time. And so, you know, we make the point and put it out there and, hopefully, we'll start a conversation about the fact that a lot of people have a lot to contribute, and want to contribute, to this country and to the direction that it takes.

And I, for one, think we're on the wrong track, and believe that we can get our country back if we tap all of the talent that's available.

WOODRUFF: Well, of course, women and blacks have run for president before. They haven't gone all the way, clearly. I was interested in a line in your statement when you announced your exploratory committee. You said, in these difficult times, "I believe women have a contribution to make." Are you saying that men can't represent women, can't speak to women's needs?

MOSELEY-BRAUN: Oh, no, but that women's voices should not be excluded from the leadership of this country. That women can come up with -- can respond to the concerns of all Americans, that women can bring the point of view that has been excluded, frankly, from the highest level. I call it the last great glass ceiling in American politics.

WOODRUFF: How is that different, though, from the view or the leadership role of men?

MOSELEY-BRAUN: It's because I think women bring different experiences. They bring the benefit of those experiences. I mean, it's the old Ginger Rogers story, that you have to do it backwards and in high heels. Those experiences add something. It's not that they are dispositive of anything, but they do add. And our country needs everything that everybody can contribute now in these difficult times.

And I think that people should be open to the prospect of having a woman in leadership. New Zealand where I was ambassador, is on its second woman prime minister. And I think they enjoyed teasing me about the fact that we've never had a woman president here in the United States.

WOODRUFF: Obviously, there's another prominent African-American already in this race, Al Sharpton. Are you saying that he's not part of a liberation movement. I mean, what's the distinction?

MOSELEY-BRAUN: Well, All of the men who are running have something to say. And I will meet them on those and make my point that I believe I have a plan for peace, for prosperity, for progress in this country. And so, I see all of the candidates as having their own platform, their own contributions to make. I'm prepared to make one that I think helps to bring to the fore contributions that women, particularly, can raise.

WOODRUFF: Speaking of Reverend Sharpton, there's been a fair amount of talk that you were encouraged to get into this race by Democrats who really wanted to see his votes undercut, especially in the crucial primary state of South Carolina. Did you have any conversations along those lines.

MOSELEY-BRAUN: No, of course not. And it's so egotistical, frankly, to suggest that my campaign would be directed at one candidate and not at the whole field. I'm looking to hopefully encourage voters, Democratic voters from across the board -- male, female, from the various communities, instead of dividing us as Americans. I think it's time for somebody to stand up and say, let's come together as Americans, because we're country. We're one people, and we have to approach the rest of the world like that.

WOODRUFF: Every news story, Carol Moseley-Braun, that I've read about your candidacy, mentioned some of the difficulties that you had back in the 1990s -- FEC investigations into spending, what you did during the Senate when you went off to Africa without first coordinating with the State Department. You said this week that there is no cloud there. There's nothing there. But are you worried that these stories are going to keep coming back at you?

MOSELEY-BRAUN: Well, you know something, Judy, the more we talk about it, the better it is for me, because the record was to clarified and so cleared. The federal election commission absolutely exonerated my campaign from any wrongdoing whatsoever, as did the State Department. I mean, I became an ambassador following my years in the Senate. So, all of those things, frankly, it was a function of, I think, not properly handling the press, or as well as I could have. But it was all absolutely cleared up.

And I hope that this campaign will be about the future. That I'll be able to talk about my whole record and what -- and my standing for human rights, my standing for reform in government, my standing for inclusion. And that's what this campaign is all about, and that's why I'm so excited about it, because it gives me chance to engage on these issues.

WOODRUFF: Quickly, when will you decide whether you're actually going to go -- I mean, make a full run?

MOSELEY-BRAUN: Well, I think everybody expects that by the fall, you'll know whether or not your campaign has the legs, if you will, to go the distance and to actually get involved in the primaries. I think it will. Based on the response I've had so far, I'm excited and the people who have come up to me have been excited too.

WOODRUFF: Carol Moseley-Braun, thank you very much.

MOSELEY-BRAUN: Thank you.

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WOODRUFF: We're almost a year away from the first presidential primaries, but you would think the election is much sooner, judging by the number of candidates already on the trail, and the hordes of reporters out following them. We get more now from Howard Kurtz of CNN's "RELIABLE SOURCES."

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

HOWARD KURTZ, HOST, "RELIABLE SOURCES" (voice-over): You see them in Iowa when Howard Dean gives a speech.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (voice-over): This is the 18th time Howard Dean has been to Iowa, the first time he's had so much attention.

HOWARD DEAN (D), FRM. GOV. OF VERMONT, PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: How did I know it was going to turn into a media circus?

KURTZ: You see them in New Hampshire, when Joe Lieberman gets a cup of coffee, surrounded by his new friends. You see them inside the Beltway whenever there's a cattle call, a gathering like this abortion rights dinner, where the Democratic presidential candidates feel compelled to show up and speechify.

They are the media -- the reporters, and columnists, and anchors, and camera people and pundits who magically decide who's hot and who's not in the 2004 campaign.

(on camera): Yes, we know the Iowa caucuses are nearly a year away. America is worried about Iraq and the economy, and most folks don't have a clue who Howard Dean is. But journalists, like bookies, are handicapping the horses. And what they say, even this early in the pre-season, matters.

(voice-over): The press has been roughing up John Kerry lately, saying he can't decide if he's for or against war with Iraq, and mocking him for suddenly trumpeting the fact that he had Jewish grandparents.

JONAH GOLDBERG, "NATIONAL REVIEW ONLINE": John Kerry wants to be on all sides of the issue, now it makes him look as if he can actually claim to be every ethnicity too.

KURTZ: Even when Kerry announced he had prostate cancer, a "Boston Globe" reporter demanded to know why he hadn't revealed it sooner.

SEN. JOHN KERRY (D-MA), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I think every American would understand, Glen, that if a reporter sticks his head into your car door as you're leaving to drive away, and asks you if you're sick, that you don't owe them necessarily an answer at that moment about what is happening.

KURTZ: At this stage, candidate reputations rise and fall like high-tech stocks. John Edwards, good buzz after being named "People's Sexiest Politician." Bad buzz after a shaky appearance with Tim Russert on "Meet the Press." Better buzz after fencing with Chris Mathews on "Hardball."

Dick Gephardt, his strategists are worried about media reports that the Missouri Congressman will have trouble winning in neighboring Iowa. Those sorts of headlines make it hard to raise money.

Even Gary Hart is getting plenty of airtime for his presidential flirtation, although most of the press can't seem to move beyond that old monkey business.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: In 1988, your campaign ended because of scandal.

GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS, HOST, "THIS WEEK": Any decision about getting in this time is obviously going to be colored by why you got out in 1987. All the stories about the monkey business, the allegations of scandal, it disappointed a lot of people...

GARY HART, FMR. PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Yes, I know.

STEPHANOPOULOS: ... who believed in you.

KURTZ (on-camera): It's awfully early for journalists to be going overboard at these candidate events, like the DNC meeting here in Washington. Like it or not, the '03 coverage will help determine who makes it to the '04 starting gate.

This is Howard Kurtz of CNN's "RELIABLE SOURCES."

(END VIDEOTAPE)

WOODRUFF: Please, Howard, don't let us cover these candidates any less than we are.

Getting out the vote. Coming up, we'll take a look at a new plan the Democrats have to win back the White House.

Plus, if Turkey says no to a large U.S. military presence, what are the contingency plans? We'll go live to the Pentagon for a look at other options.

(MARKET UPDATE)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) WOODRUFF (voice-over): Time again to check your "I.P. I.Q." Earlier we asked who was the youngest president? Was it A: John Quincy Adams, B: Theodore Roosevelt or C: John F. Kennedy? If you guessed John Kennedy, you were close but wrong. Kennedy was the youngest elected president at 43 years old. Theodore Roosevelt was a year younger when he took over the presidency after the assassination of William McKinley.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

WOODRUFF: Are the Democrats taking black voters for granted? The take from the left and the right, coming up on INSIDE POLITICS.

(NEWSBREAK)

WOODRUFF: A poll question, are you worried that you or a family member will become a victim of terrorism? Thirty-six percent of those surveyed in a new CNN-"USA Today"-Gallup poll say yes. That's Down from 48 percent earlier this month, when the country's threat level was raised from yellow to orange.

In the showdown with Iraq, there's been a lot of focus in recent days on Turkey, and whether it will allow U.S. troops to use its bases if his there is a war against Saddam Hussein. Our Bill Schneider is back now to help us understand how Turkey fits into the diplomatic picture.

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SCHNEIDER (voice-over): See if this makes sense. Turkey is Muslim, but not Arab. So it has good relations with Israel. It has a secular Democratic tradition. But it's currently governed by an Islamic party that supports the United States against Iraq. Wow.

It goes back to the collapse of the Ottoman Empire after World War I. A national hero emerged to pick up the pieces and create the modern Turkish state. Mustafa Kamal Ataturk, father of the Turks. Ataturk turned Turkey to the West and banned religion from public life.

BULENT ALIRIZA, CENTER FOR STRATEGIC AND INTERNATIONAL STUDIES: He committed the country to secularism, saying that there's only one civilization, Western Civilization. Turkey has to find its place in there.

SCHNEIDER: Turkey is militantly secular. The Turkish military, guardians of Ataturk's legacy, suppresses any public expression of religion. As recently as 1997, the army pushed an Islamic government out of power for violating the nation's secular traditions. Imagine, the military intervened to protect democracy.

PAUL WOLFOWITZ, DEPUTY DEFENSE SECRETARY: Turkey wants to be a part of Europe, which means to be a part of the west, that they're committed to the values of separation of religion and government that underlie this modern secular democracy.

SCHNEIDER: Last November, the voters elected another party with Islamic roots, which immediately set out on a very non-Islamic path, continuing efforts to join the European Union, and siding with the United States against Iraq. Turkey's new Islamic government wants to prove to the military it can be trusted.

ALIRIZA: Now, clearly, if you're going to Washington, London and Paris, you are saying to the military, I am on the same side that you're on.

SCHNEIDER: Polls show most Turks oppose war with Iraq, and don't want U.S. forces on Turkish soil.

SONER CAGAPTAY, WASHINGTON INSTITUTE FOR NEAR EAST POLICY: Of all the countries of which America asks for help in the region, among all the countries in the region, Turkey is the only democracy, which means that, here, the government simply cannot make a decision and ignore the response of the people.

SCHNEIDER: So the Turkish government needs to show it's a trying to avoid war. And it's forcing the U.S. to pay a price for Turkish support, not because the government is Islamic, but because it's democratic.

Bill Schneider, CNN, Washington.

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WOODRUFF: We'll have more on Turkey and what happens if Turkey refuses to let U.S. forces be based there.

But, first, we want to turn to our Pentagon correspondent, Jamie McIntyre, for a developing story, Jamie, on U.S. troops and what they have permission to do in the Philippines.

JAMIE MCINTYRE, CNN MILITARY AFFAIRS CORRESPONDENT: Well, for some time, the U.S. military has been assisting the Philippine military in their battle against Muslim rebels.

But now Pentagon sources tell CNN the U.S. is on the verge of a new agreement with the Philippines that would put U.S. troops in a combat role for the first time. Up to now, U.S. troops in the Philippines have been allowed to accompany Philippine troops on patrol and even take action if they came under fire, but they've not been supposed to be involved in offensive operations.

Under this new agreement, which is still awaiting the final approval of the Philippine government, U.S. troops would be allowed to operate side by side with Philippine patrols as they go after Abu Sayyaf guerrillas on the Jolo islands. There's only a few hundred of those guerrillas thought to be in that area. And this would open a new front in the war on terrorism, with, once again, U.S. special operations forces on the front lines. According to sources, several hundred U.S. troops could be involved.

WOODRUFF: The news there, I gather, that that's because it's an offensive military operation.

Jamie, I want to take you back now to Turkey. What is the backup plan? If the news out of the Turkish government is that, we're not going to let U.S. forces be based here, what is the Pentagon going to do?

MCINTYRE: Well, there was a little disappointment today that the Turkish parliament went home without taking a decision before the Muslim holiday. The Pentagon says there's still some time, but not much left.

They have got to move some ships, about five of them, that have equipment for the U.S. infantry division from the Mediterranean, through the Suez Canal, down the Red Sea, around that loop around through the Gulf of Oman and into the Persian Gulf, to bring that equipment to Kuwait. This would make it much harder to execute the option that the U.S. would like to execute.

That would be to have two fronts: a northern front, with troops coming in over land from Turkey; and then a southern front from Kuwait, essentially putting Baghdad in a squeeze play. Instead, plan B, they'd have to have all the troops essentially come from the south, some coming up to Baghdad and others proceeding on up to the north. That simply wouldn't be as speedy an option.

And the war plan for the United States depends on speed and an overwhelming initial victory in order to prevent Saddam Hussein from doing things the U.S. is afraid he might try to do, such as unleash chemical or biological weapons or perhaps set his own oil fields on fire -- Judy.

WOODRUFF: Some tough decisions facing the United States if the Turks don't give their permission -- all right Jamie, thank you very much.

Well, for much more on the showdown with Iraq, you can check our interactive special report. It's all online at CNN.com/Iraq.

Up next: Is the Republican Party making headway in its appeal to African-American voters? Donna Brazile and Bay Buchanan will take on that question in our daily debate.

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WOODRUFF: That's interesting, very interesting.

Yes?

Oh. Oh, we're on the air. We're sitting here talking.

DONNA BRAZILE, CHAIRWOMAN, VOTING RIGHTS INSTITUTE: Talking.

(LAUGHTER)

WOODRUFF: With us now: former Gore campaign manager Donna Brazile, Bay Buchanan with American Cause. All right, here's something we want to talk about: "The Washington Post" reporting that an important Republican in the House, Congressman Mike Oxley -- he's chairman of the House Financial Services Committee -- he and his staff, it's reported, are pressuring the mutual fund companies to hire a Republican lobbyist, not the Democratic lobbyist that they have now, the suggestion being that maybe an investigation of the industry, the mutual fund industry, might back off.

So, is this something that -- you know, that people should be outraged?

(CROSSTALK)

WOODRUFF: Well, go ahead. Go ahead.

BRAZILE: Let me answer, because I think this is extortion. This is a shakedown.

And I know the Republicans control all three branches of government, but this goes too far. These lobbyists should be allowed to hire anybody, anyone with clout, anyone with connections in Washington, D.C. And for the Republican Party to behave like the Sopranos and not like the party of Abraham Lincoln -- I'm quoting "The Washington Post" now.

WOODRUFF: Which is the "Washington Post" editorial.

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BRAZILE: Yes.

Then I think they should just stop this, cease and desist, and allow the lobbyists to just lobby and not belong to any political affiliation.

BAY BUCHANAN, PRESIDENT, AMERICAN CAUSE: Donna, when I read this article, the movie came to mind, "Dumb and Dumber," for these two staffers, because you don't have to say anything, as both of you know. If you don't want to meet with a lobbyist and you want them to change lobbyists, don't meet with them, don't see them.

And the lobbying -- the industry will quickly hire your brother, your sister, your dog, whomever they need to hire to get in and get access. So, nothing needs to be said. It's completely unethical, what they're doing. But I think the real statement here and what the American people already know, and this just reaffirms, is that congressmen, both Democratic and Republican, are in the pockets of corporations.

That's why lobbying is a billion-dollar business. What is it that makes a lobbyist so valuable? Are they going to actually change the vote? And, obviously, corporations

(CROSSTALK)

BRAZILE: But do you agree the Ethics Committee should look into this?

BUCHANAN: Absolutely. I agree.

BRAZILE: I totally agree. See, we agree on something.

WOODRUFF: But you're saying both parties do this?

BUCHANAN: Oh, there's no question.

(CROSSTALK)

BUCHANAN: How did all those Democrats get in to be lobbyists in the first place?

BRAZILE: Democrats are standing on corners now with a bag looking for chump change. Republicans are having elaborate dinners.

WOODRUFF: With the tin cup.

BRAZILE: Getting all of these tin cups.

BUCHANAN: Every one of these top-notch lobbying firms have Democrats and Republicans throughout them. And so this just doesn't even make good sense to me.

BRAZILE: So the K Street Project is not really happening?

BUCHANAN: The K Street Project goes on all the time. And it's Democrats and Republicans

(CROSSTALK)

WOODRUFF: Well, for those viewers who don't know what the K Street Project is.

BRAZILE: K Street Project is by Bay and I good friend Grover Norquist, who is out there organizing Republicans and telling Republican lawmakers to work with Republican lobbying firms. That's what the K Street Project is. And they target Democrats.

WOODRUFF: Another story.

Donna, you've been in the news. You were quoted yesterday in "The Washington Times" as saying: "The GOP is making inroads in the black vote. It's trending away," meaning from the Democrats. "Groups of minority voters are hearing the Republicans' message."

How worried should Democrats be, Donna?

BRAZILE: I think the party should be worried. And I think the party is taking note of the fact that the African-American electorate is growing younger and younger. And as this electorate continues to grow younger, the party will have to reach out and treat this group of American citizens as persuasive targets, not what I call turnout targets. So, there's a real concern on the part of the changing electorate in the African-American community. And as we grow younger -- I should say this, because I have Republican cousins. It shocked me.

(LAUGHTER)

BRAZILE: In fact, one of them is about to interview with Tom DeLay. Hello?

So, younger African-Americans tend to be more independent. They're registering as independents. And they are open to the Republican message.

WOODRUFF: Does DeLay know this person is your cousin?

BRAZILE: No, I'm sure he'll take out that extermination can and get rid of him.

(LAUGHTER)

BUCHANAN: Not true.

WOODRUFF: Bay?

BUCHANAN: Listen, it's key -- I think the numbers seem to have changed dramatically since 2000. And I think what happened here is, George Bush, 9/11, the black community clearly very patriotic group. And I think that warmed their hearts.

They have now black role models, as in Condoleezza Rice, Colin Powell. And so I think millions of blacks relate to them more than Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton. But, in addition to that, you have millions have gone in. They're middle class now. They're more educated. And it's a natural progress that they would move towards the Republican politics.

BRAZILE: But the Republicans are going to have to start talking to this constituency and stop ignoring the African-American community, start -- they have to talk about domestic issues, like education, like jobs, like health care. And when the Republicans begin talking, I think they'll reap some benefits, not a lot benefits, because the Republicans, it will take time to build trust among African-Americans and the Hispanic

(CROSSTALK)

WOODRUFF: But you're saying it's coming.

BUCHANAN: It's clearly coming. And I think, obviously, they see that the Republicans are willing to put them in very major positions in this administration.

But, also, what you're talking about is -- the Republicans are talking that. Choice in school is something that's a black community issue that they're very supportive of. The Republicans, of course, are leading that. Tax cuts for middle class and tax benefits for business owners, that's the black community as well. You talk social issues, abortion, they tend to be much more conservative socially.

BRAZILE: Culturally conservative, yes. But on issues of economic justice and educational disparities, they're very concerned about those issues. So, if Republicans start talking...

BUCHANAN: We have been.

BRAZILE: There's a segment of the black electorate that's willing to listen, but not all blacks will listen.

BUCHANAN: That's why they're coming and they're moving quickly. And it's a long process, but I think we're there.

BRAZILE: It will take time.

WOODRUFF: Watch out, Majority Leader Tom DeLay. Donna's cousin is coming for an interview.

BRAZILE: Yes, he's on his way.

WOODRUFF: OK, all right, Donna Bay, great to see you both. We appreciate it.

Well, the Democratic National Committee today let reporters in on its plan to help win back the White House. Saying that the 2002 election was a wakeup call, the DNC has dubbed its voter turnout project 5104, shorthand for its goal -- I should say 5104, not 51 -- winning at least 51 percent of the vote in 2004. The centerpiece of the project is an impressive computer program to track and categorize voters and donors based on all sorts of data.

A second chance at survival for a teenage transplant patient. Up next: a live report from North Carolina on the young woman fighting to recover from her second surgery in the past two weeks.

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WOODRUFF: As we told you earlier, doctors have performed a second heart-lung transplant on a teenage girl who was given organs from a donor with the wrong blood type earlier this month.

Medical correspondent Elizabeth Cohen is standing by with an update at Duke University hospital in North Carolina.

Elizabeth, the patient is Jesica Santillan. How is she doing?

ELIZABETH COHEN, CNN MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT: Judy, the doctors here at Duke just had a press conference and they say that Jesica's surgery earlier today went well.

They say that her new heart and lungs are working. However, she still does have a long road ahead of her. She's still in critical condition. She's in the intensive care unit. Statistically speaking, people her age who have heart and lung transplants have about a 50/50 chance of making it through the next year. Now, as you mentioned, this was her second transplant. About two weeks ago, she was given a heart and lungs that were not the same type as hers. She's a type O and the organs were a type A. The surgeons today at Duke tried to explain how that error occurred.

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DR. WILLIAM FULKERSON, CEO, DUKE UNIV. HOSPITAL: Jesica originally received a transplant here at Duke on February 7th, but because of a mismatch and incompatibility of the organs, the organs were being rejected by Jesica's body. We've identified errors that occurred, and additional reviews of the events leading up to the mismatch are ongoing.

As a result of the investigation so far, we have put in place additional procedures in order to prevent these kinds of errors from ever happening again in the future.

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COHEN: Now, a family friend complained today to reporters that Duke was slow to admit the mistake and that that hesitancy hurt her medical care. However, Duke University says that that is not true -- Judy.

WOODRUFF: Elizabeth, these procedures, these surgeries are enormously expensive. Her family is of modest means. How is all this being paid for?

COHEN: Well, the second surgery, apparently, no one's quite sure how it's going to be paid for. We asked Duke and, frankly, I expected them to say, well, of course, we'll pay for it. We goofed up the first one.

They did not say that. So that seems to be unclear. For the first surgery, she did, in fact, have insurance. The insurance paid for 80 percent or was supposed to pay for 80 percent and Duke for 20 percent. A friend of the family says that he thinks that Duke should not file against the insurance, that Duke should pay for that procedure as well.

WOODRUFF: All right, Elizabeth Cohen reporting from Durham, North Carolina -- thank you, Elizabeth. And we certainly hope young Jesica gets better.

Bob Novak's "Inside Buzz" is coming up next. He'll tell us why Senator John McCain has delivered good news to Republican powers-that- be.

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WOODRUFF: Bob Novak joins us now with some "Inside Buzz."

Bob, first of all, I talked to John McCain about a week or so ago and he said he was likely to run for reelection. But I understand you've been able to firm this up. ROBERT NOVAK, CNN POLITICAL ANALYST: Yes.

He had a dinner in Arizona last night, Judy, with about 20 of his closest supporters. He delighted them by telling them he definitely will run for reelection. It will be announced at a fund-raiser at Biltmore Hotel in Phoenix tonight. This is good news for the Republican establish. He's a cinch to win reelection. His favorable reelect numbers are about 80 percent. But it also takes him out of any consideration as a possible third-party candidate for president next year.

WOODRUFF: And that may be a relief to some people who live at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.

NOVAK: Right.

WOODRUFF: Bob, what's this about a developing rift between the National Governors Association and the Republican Party?

NOVAK: Yes, the governors are in town this week for their annual mid-winter Republican national meeting. And they want to lobby the administration for more money for the states. But that isn't sitting well with several Republican governors, who think that the NGA, the National Governors Association, is controlled by a liberal staff.

Now, Rick Perry, the Republican governor of Texas, has quit the NGA. And there's contemplation that three more may quit: George Pataki of New York, Mark Sanford of South Carolina, and Bill Owens of Colorado. And Jeb Bush of Florida, I'm told, has not paid dues to the NGA in two years. So there's trouble among the governors.

WOODRUFF: I wonder how much that dues is.

Separately, still on the Republicans, Bob, what's this about Congressman Jack Kingston being encouraged by other Republicans not to get in the Georgia Senate race?

NOVAK: Yes, Kingston was the conservative candidate of choice to oppose any Democrat for the seat being relinquished by the retiring Democrat Zell Miller.

But Kingston is being told by the high command of the Republican Party in the House not to run for the Senate. He's got a leadership position, a great future in the House. And that means that Johnny Isakson, who is a moderate, moves into the top position to be the Republican candidate in Georgia. Isakson could have backing from the White House and the very conservative state chairman of Georgia, Ralph Reed.

WOODRUFF: So, we'll see whether Kingston goes along.

Last but not least, a commemorative coin having to do with Martin Luther King, what are you going to tell us about that?

NOVAK: Republican Congressman Jim Leach of Iowa has put in a bill to mint a commemorative coin, 350,000 coins with Martin Luther's name on it. And the interesting thing is, a little embarrassing for Congressman Leach, 120 Democrats are sponsoring it, but many fewer Republicans, only 50.

Now, the only member of the Republican leadership who has co- sponsored is Rob Portman of Ohio. And, in the Senate, there's a similar situation. Rick Santorum of Pennsylvania is the only member of the Republican leadership to sponsor the Martin Luther King coin. Senator Thad Cochran of Mississippi is co-sponsoring it. But guess who isn't? Trent Lott is not co-sponsoring the Martin Luther King coin.

WOODRUFF: Bob, you do get all the news.

Thanks very much. Great to see you. We'll watch you on "CROSSFIRE."

NOVAK: Thank you.

WOODRUFF: More INSIDE POLITICS after this.

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WOODRUFF: This story just in to CNN: A federal jury has reached a verdict in an important case of a man accused of spying.

For the latest, let's go to our Bob Franken -- Bob.

BOB FRANKEN, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: The man is 40-year-old Brian Regan who is a former Air Force sergeant and then civilian employee of the National Reconnaissance Organization, the super-secret mapping and satellite coordinates agency of the United States government.

He has been found guilty by a court jury in Alexandria, Virginia, of espionage in the case of Iraq. It is a case that involves his attempts, according to the charges by the government, to peddle secrets about coordinates, GPS coordinates, satellite coordinates and the like, to Iraq. He was also found guilty of providing the same information to China, found not guilty in trying to provide the information to Libya, found guilty of trying to provide information to China. It's in connection with China.

He was also found guilty of attempting to gather national defense secrets. Now, in the case of Iraq, that particular crime, if it meets certain standards, could be punishable by the death penalty. The jury has asked for permission -- and the judge has granted it -- that the jury goes back in and considers whether its guilty plea includes and meets the standard that would make Brian Regan eligible for the death penalty, which would then be another phase of this case.

But he has been found guilty. This is a man who was arrested in August of 2001 as he was traveling with information to Europe. The charge was that he was going to try and give that information to Iraq, maybe Libya and China. As I said, the guilty plea on Iraq is the one that provides the most danger for him -- Judy. WOODRUFF: All right, Bob Franken. And we know you want to go back a to reporting and looking at what the jury decides on the penalty piece of all this.

Bob Franken, thanks very much.

And that's all the time we have for INSIDE POLITICS. I'm Judy Woodruff. Thank you for joining us.

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