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Interview With Sylvia Browne

Aired May 16, 2003 - 21:00   ET


LARRY KING, HOST: Tonight, best selling psychic Sylvia Browne. She says she's on a mission from God to prove the soul survives death. Do you believe? She's here for the hour. We'll take your phone calls. Sylvia Browne is next on LARRY KING LIVE.
It's always good to welcome her to this program and we'll take lots of calls, of course. The world renowned psychic, author of several books, including Sylvia Browne's "Book of Angels," which is number nine right now on "The New York Times" list of best selling self-help books. There you see its cover. Do you believe in angels?


KING: What are they?

BROWNE: They're actually the (UNINTELLIGIBLE) that was made by God to protect us. I mean, they're not...


KING: Bad people have angels?

BROWNE: You know, bad people, I've never seen bad people have angels. That's interesting you should ask that, because I've never seen angels around bad people.

KING: Do they look like the drawings of angels?


KING: They do?

BROWNE: And I didn't think they had wings. I thought that was just some stupid...

KING: Sylvia, Sylvia, come on. You see people with wings?

BROWNE: Yes. I used to tell people they didn't have wings, Larry. And then I saw one with wings, and then I had to go back up on stage and say, I'm sorry, I lied. They have wings.

KING: Why do you see them and I don't?

BROWNE: I don't know. You probably could see them if you wanted to. You have four of them around you.

KING: To what, to protect?

BROWNE: To protect.

KING: We have four them around us?

BROWNE: You have four.

KING: I have four.

BROWNE: You have four. Some people have two.

KING: I'm a good guy?

BROWNE: Well, that's it.

KING: I've got connections, right?

BROWNE: You've got connections.

KING: And what do these angels do?

BROWNE: The angels are really protectorates. There is so many things that people say, oh, well, what the hell do they do, but I think there are so many things that you were saved from that you don't realize that you were saved from. It's like a near miss accident, a near miss fall. They protect you.

KING: So the angels -- and who sends them? God sends them?

BROWNE: God sends them. They're from God. They're directly from God.

KING: What do you think happens? You communicate with dead people, right?

BROWNE: Yes, I do. Sure, I do.

KING: are you OK?

BROWNE: Yes. Well, my ear thing is goofy, but that's all right.

KING: We'll fix it.

You communicate with dead people.


KING: You do psychic readings.


KING: You work with the police on murders.

BROWNE: Yes, and I'm on learning annex tour.

KING: You tour learning annexes all over. BROWNE: Right.

KING: What is this gift? And why do you have it and we don't?

BROWNE: I don't know. I guess I'm just -- I was going to say unlucky.

KING: You don't like it, do you?

BROWNE: Oh, I do most of the time when I help people, I do, Larry. I do come from 300 years. This is absolutely valid 300 years of psychics, everybody in my family from my mother's side was a working psychic.

KING: But is this ESP? What is psychic?

BROWNE: I don't know what it is. I believe that it comes from God. I think I'm nothing more than a tool by which energy or this thought processes come in. The same as I could never be -- if I said to you, Larry, why are you such a good interviewer? You'd say I just am because I am, wouldn't you? If you say to me, Sylvia, how come you are (UNINTELLIGIBLE), I'd say I am because I am.

KING: Why don't psychics all get very rich just on daily doubles at Belmont?

BROWNE: Because we could never do anything for ourselves, Larry.

KING: Why not?

BROWNE: I don't know, Larry.

KING: Is there like a rule book of psychics?

BROWNE: Did you ever hear of a surgeon operating on themselves?

KING: No, but if I were a psychic, I would go for the daily double at Belmont.

BROWNE: Well, yes, you would, but you probably wouldn't win. It's never been for us. It's never been for us.

KING: You can't read yourself?

BROWNE: No. If that was the case, I wouldn't have had a bad marriage. I wouldn't have had things happen in my life. I have the same problems that everybody else does.

KING: What do you believe happens when you die?

BROWNE: You go through the tunnel and you go to the other side, and it is a beautiful place with actual buildings and art museums and...

KING: Where is it? BROWNE: It's right here. It's right on top of us. We just can't see it. See, Larry, we're ghosts in their world. We're not the real world. It's like Plato said, we're nothing but the shadows on the wall of a cave. We're the transparent world. That's the real world.

KING: So they're looking at us now?


KING: All right. But you can't prove this, can you? I mean, you can't disprove it but you can't prove it.

BROWNE: Well, Larry, after -- I'm 67 years old. I've been in this business 50 years. I have pretty good statistical knowledge of the fact that people from every walk of life, every religion, whether it was in dream state, astro state, death and dying state or hypnotic state, all came up with the same description of what the other side is. Now, when you start doing that, scientifically -- let's say I was a scientist. When you're a Buddhist or you're a Hindu or you're a Protestant and you keep coming up with the same visuals, you start pricking up your ears and taking notice.

KING: On those days and nights when you don't hit it, like if you communicate with the dead and -- how do you explain that?

BROWNE: Sometimes the dead don't want to talk, and sometimes maybe -- see, psychics, only God is 100 percent. Psychics can never be 100 percent. I think that would be scary to be 100 percent.

KING: Have you worked with the police, too?

BROWNE: Yes, just got through solving a case on Montel's show. They just caught the guy -- I mean, they just caught the guy just last week.

KING: Who did what?

BROWNE: Did a murder of a young boy. I mean, they literally ticker-taped across the bottom of the (UNINTELLIGIBLE).

KING: How did you find him?

BROWNE: I just said the name.

KING: You mean the name came to you?

BROWNE: The whole name, yes.

KING: Did you have to see the dead person?


KING: What I don't understand is how can a psychic...

BROWNE: No. The woman was sitting in the audience, Larry, and I never know anything about anybody, because I don't want any producer anywhere anytime saying Sylvia knew. And she was telling me about her son, who was strapped with a thing around his neck, God love his little heart. And I said somebody by the name of Daniel. And they kept putting across the screen, wait until the show ends and you'll find out. I said, there was three names. And sure enough, Daniel confessed to the fact that he did do this to the kid.

KING: And you like this -- you -- Peter Hurko (ph), who I knew pretty well as a kid...

BROWNE: Yes, I know you did.

KING: ... hated having that power.

BROWNE: I don't hate it. I hurt because, after all, I'm a parent and I think whenever you have to tell someone...

KING: But when you meet people, you go and you meet someone for dinner, are you reading them?

BROWNE: I can.

KING: How do you tune it off?

BROWNE: I just try to go off duty. I try to go off duty. You know, but no, see, if you were to ask me a question, then immediately the answer comes.

KING: Now, when people call in, how do you explain that? I go to Milwaukee and we're going to be doing that in a couple of minutes, and they ask you, tell me about my late father or what do you see for me, or that kind of thing. What are you seeing? They're on the phone. They're thousands of miles away?

BROWNE: I don't know, Larry. I don't know how I do it. I know it's very valid what you're asking me, but I don't know how to answer you when I ...

KING: So you can't -- there is no science to prove this.

BROWNE: Larry, I've been tested by everybody. I've been tested by so many doctors and, you know, places...

KING: Why can't you -- I knew Dr. J.B. Ryan (ph), the inventor of the...

BROWNE: Right, absolutely, from Duke, yes.

KING: And he used to do a simple card test.

BROWNE: Yes, I know that, yes.

KING: In five seconds, and he'd just roll up cards...


BROWNE: That's telepathy. That's just telepathy. See, what I do is take a little bit jump further. I go into the future.

KING: But you can't do telepathy? In other words, if I turned over cards, you couldn't tell me what cards they were?

BROWNE: I'm not as good at that as I am at -- see, every psychic has their sort of, let's say, expertise. Mine has always been -- I can do, find Mr. Right and all that, but I've always been really good in health, and I don't have any background in health, but I worked with 365 doctors.

KING: So you are able to -- you can analyze people health-wise?


KING: You can tell them if they have something wrong with them?


KING: We could do that tonight on the phone? Somebody could say what's the matter with me, and you can say kidney stones?

BROWNE: There was a woman that stood up on the show not too long ago and said, you told me I had something wrong with my stomach, Sylvia, and I didn't believe you. She said, and three months later I went in for surgery. So, see, a lot of times I'm trying to protect the person. See what I'm saying? In other words -- for instance, if I were sitting here and I saw something wrong with you, trust me when I tell you, I would tell you.

KING: I'm sure you would. This was -- Dr. Casey (ph) had this, did he not?

BROWNE: Yes, Edgar Casey (ph) had it.

KING: I knew his son, Edgar Casey (ph), who had no medical training at all.


BROWNE: Me either. My master's degree was in English literature.

KING: Diagnosed diabetics. We're going to take a break and come back and go to calls for Sylvia Browne. Her newest book, and it's on the best seller list, is Sylvia Browne's "Book of Angels." You're watching LARRY KING LIVE. Don't go away.


KING: We can answer any psychic question you wish to ask with regard to health or the hereafter, whatever. Our guest is Doctor -- is Sylvia Browne. I almost said -- you're not a doctor.


KING: We go to Brussels, Belgium. Hello. CALLER: Yes, good evening. Sylvia, can you tell me if I'm going to have any children?

BROWNE: The only way that you're going to have children, honey, is if you adopt.

KING: So she cannot medically have children?


KING: How do you know this?

BROWNE: There is something wrong with the tipping of the uterus, there is something wrong with her right ovary, and also there's some problem with endrometriosis.

KING: Now, can you tell me how you knew that? What do you feel? She asked that question. What went through you?

BROWNE: It just came to me immediately.

KING: It just came to you?

BROWNE: Came to me.

KING: New Windsor, New York, hello.

CALLER: Hello, how are you doing, Sylvia? My name is Cathy (ph) and I wanted to know about grandmother. She had passed back in '97.

BROWNE: Wasn't your grandmother really small with very oval face and wore her hair short or back?

CALLER: Yes. Yes.

BROWNE: Yes. And didn't she also have a tendency to chew on her lip when she got nervous?

CALLER: A little bit, yes.

BROWNE: Well, yes, she comes around you a lot. And here's a strange thing she does. She sends -- which a lot of them do. She sends birds around you.

CALLER: Oh, my God. I've seen a lot of birds flying in front of the car, you know, and cardinals especially.

BROWNE: Yes. Yes.

KING: Pretty good, Sylvia. OK. Saw the birds. She's sending those birds for what purpose?

BROWNE: Just trying to show her hello.

KING: She's communicating?


KING: Chicago, hello.

CALLER: Yes, good evening.


CALLER: Sylvia, I love your book.

BROWNE: Thank you, dear.

CALLER: I was just wondering why I haven't had a sign or heard from my husband who passed in '93.

BROWNE: Yes, you do. Because he does ring the telephone and no one's there and he also does something with a picture.

KING: You know, if they can do that, why don't they just straight out communicate?

BROWNE: Because -- some do. But some can move objects. Because it's awfully hard to get into this atmosphere. This is thick fog atmosphere.

KING: But he's watching over her?

BROWNE: He's watching over her and she should be able to validate she picks up the phone and nobody's there.

KING: I lost her though.

Boston, hello.

CALLER: Hi, Sylvia?


CALLER: I was calling about my mother. I lost her a year and a half ago.

BROWNE: And you never got a chance not to say goodbye to her either.

CALLER: I chose not to.

BROWNE: I know. I know.

KING: What's the question?

CALLER: I just wanted to know how she's doing, you know. Where she is, how she is.

BROWNE: She is doing great on the other side but I will say one thing about your mother and I'm not trying to be mean. She can't quit talking.


BROWNE: I mean, she seems to be very, very chatty, you know what I mean?


BROWNE: She said she was -- it was OK that you weren't there. She said she understands your sensitivity.


KING: OK. Hamburg, Germany, hello.

CALLER: Hi, Larry. Hi, Sylvia. My mother passed away 14 years ago when I was 9 and I was wondering if there's anything she would like to say to me and if she's happy with the path I've chosen in my life?

BROWNE: Yes, with all of the above. Now who is Ann (ph)? Ann or Anna. Because she's with Anna and she's also with a large dog.

CALLER: Oh, really?


CALLER: Yes, we used to have a large dog.

BROWNE: Yes, dark dog. Yes. She says that what she does -- and very characteristic of people that have passed -- is she drops coins around.

CALLER: You mean in my world?

BROWNE: Yes, in your world. You'll find a lot of coins.

KING: She asks if she's happy with the life she's...

BROWNE: She's great over there. She's great.

KING: Is she happy with the life the daughter has chosen?

BROWNE: Oh, yes. She's very happy. But she said you also should check on your depression.

KING: Columbus, hello.

Yes, hi, Sylvia. CALLER: I was just wondering if you could connect with my dad and tell me if he's OK.

BROWNE: He's fine. You've got two around you. Was your dad a large man?


BROWNE: Because there's a large man and then a thin, sharp-faced man. CALLER: OK. That's not my dad.

BROWNE: OK. Because there is two that come around you. One is more thicker build, broad face. The other one is more lanky build.

CALLER: OK, the broader face would probably be my dad.

BROWNE: But he keeps pointing to his chest. What was going on with his chest?

CALLER: Well we think he died of a heart attack.

BROWNE: Well, honey, that's in the chest, isn't it?


BROWNE: He also said a year before this, he knew he was going to go.

CALLER: He did?

BROWNE: Yes. He just never wanted to tell anybody.

KING: When they ask, how are they, you always say OK. Is anybody not OK on the other side?

BROWNE: Yes, I've gotten hold of people that were in between. You know what I mean. They didn't know they were dead. That's where ghosts come from, Larry.

KING: There are ghosts too?

BROWNE: Those are people who haven't made it. But once they've made it, they're OK. They're fine.

KING: Kennett, Missouri, hello.

CALLER: Hello, Larry. Hello, Sylvia. I guess the subject of angels. I was raised as an only child, but actually I had a sister that passed on before me. And I guess my question is, I never really felt alone. Could it be because maybe she could be my guardian angel?

BROWNE: No, no, honey. People don't become angels. But what she does, she becomes like my father passed over, comes around as a protectorate. But when you were younger, I don't know if somebody -- you could validate this with someone -- you used to talk to her.

CALLER: Probably.


KING: OK. Macon, Georgia, hello. Macon, hello.

CALLER: Hello. I would like to know, does my mother ring my telephone? And I would like to know something about my mother. She died in 2001 and I'm having a hard time getting over it. Can you tell me something she may want me to know?

BROWNE: Yes. It's like I said before, one of the things they do very characteristically is ring the phone. But she also does something with curtains or blinds. She makes the blinds and curtains -- she also makes a lot of electrical stuff go off.

CALLER: I haven't noticed that.

KING: That sounds playful.

BROWNE: They do. They'll do that. She said also...

KING: Dead people have a sense of humor?

BROWNE: Sure they do.


BROWNE: She also said something about you lighting a candle for her. I don't know what that means, but she said she likes that.

KING: Well, thank you. We'll be right back with more of Sylvia Browne. More of your phone calls. Don't go away.


KING: We're back with Sylvia Browne. Her book, "Sylvia Browne's Book of Angels" is number nine on "The New York Times" list of best selling self-help books. And we go to Leesburg, Florida. Hello.

CALLER: Hi, Sylvia. I'm about ready to move from Florida back to Indiana. Am I doing the right thing?

BROWNE: Not only are you doing the right thing, you're doing the only thing. In the last, let's say, three years, you really haven't been that happy where you are.


BROWNE: You know what I mean? You've been out of sync and you felt rejected and abandoned. You know, you don't need to be that way. Go back.


BROWNE: All right?

KING: That's not bad. That's good news for that lady. Crestwood, Illinois. Hello.


KING: Go ahead.

CALLER: Good evening, Sylvia. I was concerned about my younger son. I've not talked to him in a while. And he's been on my mind for a while.

KING: How old is he?


BROWNE: He -- you'll hear from him between now and Christmas. But you know, he's always been like this. He's always been terribly sensitive. But more than that, he's always been stubborn. So anything that bothers him, he pulls in and pulls away.

CALLER: What about his health issues? He has a health problem.

BROWNE: Yes, he's got a neurological problem.

CALLER: He does?

BROWNE: Yes. And he also has a problem with brain, you know -- seratome liquid.

KING: But he will be in touch with her?

BROWNE: Yes, he will be in touch with her.

KING: Now, you've got to help me. What did you feel when she asked that question about her son? What went through you and where are you getting that from?

BROWNE: I knew that he was suffering with depression and...

KING: But from where did you know this?

BROWNE: It's from God. I just know it. Larry, I don't know how to tell you.

KING: Because I felt nothing. I didn't know where the kid was or nothing.

BROWNE: Oh, I know.

KING: Calgary, Alberta, Canada. Hello.

CALLER: Hi, Larry. Hi, Sylvia.

KING: Hi, go ahead.

CALLER: Sylvia, I was just wondering if can tell if I'm going to be having any more major surgeries in my life.

BROWNE: I don't want to be crude, but also something -- you're going to have to have some corrective surgery in the anal canal, all right?


BROWNE: But you'll come through it all right.

CALLER: OK, thank you.

BROWNE: But you knew that anyway.

KING: Doners Grove, Illinois. Hello.

CALLER: Hi, Sylvia. Hi, Larry.


BROWNE: I would like to know a little bit about my deceased husband and my father, if possible.

BROWNE: Was your husband -- have gorgeous round eyes, very straight nose, high cheekbones and high swept forehead?


BROWNE: Did he also have a scar right by his eyebrow?

CALLER: Not that I am I'm aware of.

BROWNE: Yes, right on the corner of the eyebrow. Anyway...

CALLER: Could be, yes.

BROWNE: He says he's come and sat on your bed. He said he's also come in three dreams.


BROWNE: And in those three dreams, he was trying to tell you that he was all right. He said once he met you in a meadow. Once he was sitting like on a bench or something. And then once he was in the room.


BROWNE: All right?


BROWNE: But it looks like he went really quick.

KING: And what about her father?

BROWNE: Both of them. Both of them went quick. She didn't get a chance to...

KING: Get a chance to what, say goodbye?

BROWNE: Anything with them.

KING: (UNINTELLIGIBLE), the Netherlands, hello.

CALLER: Hello, Larry. How are you?

KING: Fine. What's your question?

CALLER: My question is on behalf of my wife, which is how is her currently deceased mother doing.

KING: Is she living?

CALLER: She is deceased.

BROWNE: I didn't get it.

KING: His wife, who died.

BROWNE: Wasn't this a disintegrating illness?

CALLER: Yes, cancer.

BROWNE: Yes, well, it's disintegrating. The whole body begins to...

KING: He said yes.

BROWNE: She's doing great. You know what she's done is she's come around you and put her hand on your face one night. And for some strange reason, you'll feel kind of like a breeze on your face at times.

She's also always around you for some reason when you're in a vehicle.

CALLER: That is possible.

BROWNE: You know how you're always looking in the rearview mirror because you feel like there is a presence? That's because she's there.

KING: Is anybody on the other side unhappy?

BROWNE: No one.

KING: So whenever you pass on, nothing but good.

BROWNE: You're happy. There, nobody is griping, nobody is mad. Nobody is ticked off.

KING: Could be boring, too.

BROWNE: No, because you're lecturing, you're researching.

KING: You're doing things?

BROWNE: You're doing things, you're not just floating around on a cloud.

KING: Ravenna, Ohio. Hello.

CALLER: Yes, Sylvia, hi. It's wonderful to talk to you. I have a question: I was diagnosed with a neurological disorder that causes my neck to go into spasms. And so I take expensive...

BROWNE: Actually, it's coming from c-3. You know that, don't you?

CALLER: Pardon me?

BROWNE: It's coming from c-3, from the cervical c-3.

CALLER: The vertebrae in the neck?


CALLER: It is?


CALLER: What can I do to -- I've been to chiropractors ...

BROWNE: Honey, I can't diagnose because I'm not a doctor. But don't be going to just chiropractors. You've got to go to neurologists.

CALLER: Oh, no, I have been.

BROWNE: Yes, but what I'm saying is, have them look at c-3, because it's the same as sciatica. When the c-3 nerve is pinched, yes, it will go into spasms. You see what I mean?

CALLER: See, it was going hundreds and hundreds a day and I take injections to keep it under control, you know.

BROWNE: Yes. But I want you to get another neurologist's opinion, OK? And have them please look at the nerve leading from c-3, because now it's beginning to also go down the shoulders and into the arms.

KING: Tarzana, California, hello.

CALLER: Hi, Larry. Hi, Sylvia. My father almost passed away 22 years ago. I was wondering, because of the time of his death, was he in a lot of pain?

BROWNE: No, absolutely not. No, he wasn't. No. Too quick. And he wasn't in pain.


KING: Thank you, and we'll be back with more of Sylvia Browne on this edition of LARRY KING LIVE. She tours the United States, by the way, appearing at learning annexes. Don't go away.


KING: Her latest is "Sylvia Browne's Book of Angels." She's our special guests. By the way, over the weekend, we'll repeat our interviews. Tomorrow night with Dr. Phil and Sunday night with the complete cast of "60 Minutes."

Back to the calls. Oliver Springs, Tennessee.

CALLER: Hi, Sylvia. I would just like to know where my father hid $2,000. I never found it before he passed away.

BROWNE: He hid it -- listen to me, he did. He had not two but three. He hid it behind a picture. It's a picture of a woman. You know how when you put a backing on a picture, he put it behind a picture.

KING: She's going to tear up every picture of a woman she sees. She's going to go into museums. She's going to rip up pictures of women, Sylvia. This woman is going to be a menace!

BROWNE: It's in the house.

KING: It's in the house, OK. Because she's going to go to restaurants...

BROWNE: I know, I know. And tear the pictures down.

KING: OK, good luck.

To New York City, hello. New York City, hello.

CALLER: Yes. Good evening, Larry. Good evening, Sylvia.

KING: Go ahead.

CALLER: Sylvia, I have the strongest feeling, and I've had people meet (UNINTELLIGIBLE) I have a twin brother. And I've asked my -- my mother died when I was young, 7. And her sister just recently died. But before she died, I asked her if I had a brother. And she became very short and she said, no. Whatever made you think such a thing?

But I've had people meet me and here in New York I've been in the medical profession before I retired. And they have met other people in -- another person in the medical profession say to me, how do you get over to this building so fast? I just left you.

BROWNE: Yes. No. You have someone that looks like you, but you don't have a twin. The person that looks like you is now in Toronto. But I think everybody has a twin. I mean, a person that looks like them.

KING: But he does not have...

BROWNE: You don't have a biological twin.

KING: Brooklyn, New York, hello.

CALLER: Hi, Sylvia and Larry. I want to know. My mom passed away 15 years ago. Hello.

KING: Go ahead.

BROWNE: We hear you.

CALLER: And I want to know what she thinks of my children and if she thinks of me?

BROWNE: They always think of us and they always make entrance into our lives.

Now, here we go again, just like before. For some reason, your youngest child seems to be able to see and talk to her.

CALLER: Well, he's a lot like her, but -- but I don't get any feedback from him.

BROWNE: Ask him. Say, haven't you seen this woman with the round face and the pretty skin? And, you know -- because that's how she looked anyway. Ask him if he doesn't see this woman.

KING: Tirol, Austria, hello.

CALLER: Hello, Larry. It's great to get through to you.

KING: Good to talk to Austria.

CALLER: Hello, Sylvia. My question is, my sister, she is married to a man who died about 30 years ago and I had strong feelings (UNINTELLIGIBLE) that he would help me get through...

KING: Your sister's late husband.

CALLER: He left -- (UNINTELLIGIBLE) he had seven kids and they what they should do with it (UNINTELLIGIBLE).

KING: You're not making that come in clear. Did you make any connection? He said his sister's husband.

BROWNE: It was a hard situation.

KING: It was hard hearing you, sir. We apologize.

Belfast, Northern Ireland, hello.

CALLER: Him, Larry. Hi, Sylvia. Sylvia, I'm wondering if you could -- quite a few members of my family have died. I'm wondering if you could tell me if they're around me?

BROWNE: Yes. There's a lot more than that but there's five that come around you very prominently.


BROWNE: Five. Who is Margaret?

CALLER: That's my sister-in-law.

BROWNE: Yes. Now, who is Peter?

CALLER: No Peter, not that I know of.

BROWNE: Yes. This looks like an older man.

CALLER: My brother, but his name's Terry. My father is also passed.

BROWNE: No, no. I know that. Also there is a Peter over there. So I would ask in the family. This looks like in your mother's side.

CALLER: Right.

KING: Sometimes they ask and find out there was...

BROWNE: There was. yes. And then there is a Maureen.

KING: Are they all around her?

BROWNE: Yes, everyone of them.

KING: And when they're around her, what are they doing?

BROWNE: They're watching to see what she does. They'll come through your room like your mother come through your room every night...


KING: ... when a person who is sad, a person who is departed? What if they see something bad happen to their daughter or their son? Their son is hit by a car and you're in the next world, you're dead, and you're happy. Everything is nice but...


BROWNE: ... you know that they're going to be over to be with you.

KING: So nothing upsets you?

BROWNE: No, because you have the whole chart there. Down hear we're blindsided. They have the whole chart in front of them.

KING: You mean everything is prearranged?

BROWNE: Prearranged...

KING: Then there is no free will?

BROWNE: Not here. Over the other side there is.

KING: There's no free will here?

BROWNE: Not here.

KING: It's written when you're going to die?

BROWNE: You wrote your chart, Larry, to be on this show, even to be with me tonight. You wrote who you were going to marry, you wrote your children...

KING: All this is done?

BROWNE: You did it.

KING: To Hampton, New York, hello. Hampton, hello.

CALLER: Hello.


CALLER: That's OK. Sylvia, I would like to thank you for everything you do with everyone with your gift. I've read all of your books and I've enjoyed every one of them.

BROWNE: God bless you.

CALLER: And I would like to know, I've been dealing with a medical condition now going on three years. And I was wondering if there was anything that you could tell me because no one can seem to help me figure out how I got it and what to do with it. And I really could help -- any help you could help me with I'd appreciate.

BROWNE: Have you been tested for a type of fibromyalgia?


BROWNE: Yes. Because...

CALLER: Rheumatoid arthritis, fibromyalgia.

BROWNE: Yes, that's what I'm saying fibromyalgia because you have got some problem with the soft tissue.


BROWNE: The one thing that I do know from doctors is that a high protein diet helps fibromyalgia, all right?

CALLER: Thank you.

KING: Thank you.

BROWNE: Now how did I know she had fibromyalgia?

KING: How did you know that?


BROWNE: Stevensville, Maryland, hello. CALLER: Yes. Hi, Sylvia. My question is about my health. Hello.

BROWNE: Yes, we're here.

CALLER: OK, I'm sorry. I have been having chronic pain now for almost six months every day. And I'm just wondering when and if I will get better.

BROWNE: Yes. But, see, you're just like the woman that called before. You also have fibromyalgia.

KING: So...

BROWNE: And that -- the same thing applies. And this is just running rampant anymore, Larry, is this fibromyalgia. It's just crazy. And the one thing that seems to put it into remission is a high protein diet.

KING: Woodbridge, Ontario, hello.

CALLER: Hello.

KING: Go ahead.

CALLER: I'm very excited I'm talking to you.


CALLER: A few years ago my husband had a very successful business. Once we moved to Canada to expand our business, things have gone downhill and it's been very difficult for us financially.

BROWNE: Yes. But he's going to also start another business that has to do with something that goes up on Internet that has to do with a product and a service. And then on the side he's going to be dealing with real estate. So please hold on until September.

KING: OK. Good luck.

We'll be back with more Sylvia Browne, more of your phone calls right after these words.


KING: We're back with Sylvia Browne. Centralia, Washington, hello. Centralia, hello. Centralia, are you there? Goodbye. Arlington, Texas, hello.

CALLER: Hello.

KING: Go ahead.

CALLER: Yes, Sylvia, I was calling. I've had a lot of loss recently in my life. And I'm wondering if that is the cause of my medical concern. BROWNE: Yes, because of stress. It looks like there's actually been three very prominent losses that you've had.

CALLER: Are they all together?

BROWNE: Yes, everybody is together. The three, especially the three that have gone fairly close together. Honey, everybody is together over there.

CALLER: Well, I know that. I just wanted to be sure...

KING: The whole family is together? Everybody...

BROWNE: All the friends, all the friends, everybody.

KING: A crowded place?

BROWNE: Well, not as crowded as here.

KING: Well, wait a minute. Let's think of every person who's ever lived on the face of the earth, they're all around somewhere.


KING: Crowded.

BROWNE: No, but they take up different space than we do.

KING: Some traffic jams. Do they drive cars? No?



CALLER: Hi, Sylvia. I'm very excited to speak to you this evening. I was wondering if I could connect with my mother who passed away five years ago, and my grandmother, which was her mother, who was very, very close to me. And I'm wondering if they're together or they're around me.

BROWNE: Yes. What does your mother mean when she says she went and then she came back?

CALLER: I think it was because she had cardiac arrest and...

BROWNE: And they brought her back and then she went?

CALLER: But it was like too late to save her, really.

BROWNE: Because she said she came back for a little bit and then she went.


BROWNE: Who was the shorter of the women, the little very fragile looking women? CALLER: That was my mother.

BROWNE: OK. Now, who is the more stockier one? Was that the grandmother?

CALLER: My grandmother, yes.

BROWNE: That had a really distinct way of doing something when she would get nervous. She would do something with her nose. She would rub her nose or something.

CALLER: Yes, a little bit.

BROWNE: You know how you go like that. Yes. Yes, they're around you and they come around you about 3:30 in the morning.

CALLER: OK, because I dream of them often.

BROWNE: I know you do.

CALLER: And I feel their presence. And I was just wondering...

BROWNE: Well, the one thing about your mother, you'll smell her.

CALLER: In what way?

BROWNE: In perfume.

CALLER: In perfume?

BROWNE: You know, you'll walk in a room and smell like a gardenia or lilac.


KING: Look for it.

The Cayman Islands, hello.

CALLER: Oh, I hope you could help me with this medical dilemma, Sylvia. Seems for the last year and a half, doctors don't know what causes the stiffness in my legs from my calves down, as well as in my head.

KING: Your head and your calves?

CALLER: Yes. From my calves to my feet. It's as if my body crashed the last year and a half.

BROWNE: Because your immune system went down. But, also, you've got a circulatory problem in your femoral arteries. So I want you to have them check your femoral arteries.

CALLER: Femoral arteries.

BROWNE: Femoral arteries. This is the one that runs down the leg.

CALLER: And is there -- so they can do something for this?

BROWNE: Yes. Have them pulse that area, because you're stopping up in your neck and you're also stopping up in your femoral area.

KING: Is there a hell?

BROWNE: Yes. Here.

KING: This is hell?

BROWNE: This is hell.

KING: Oy, is this hell.

BROWNE: Yes, this is hell.

KING: Oy, my mother was right.


KING: Raleigh, North Carolina, hello.

CALLER: Yes, Larry and Sylvia, can you hear me?

KING: Go ahead.

CALLER: Listen, I was sick, really deathly ill a year ago April. And I've been on recovery. And I'm just wondering what's going on around me now. Is it going to be flaring up?

BROWNE: How are you doing with your upper respiratory and chest area?

CALLER: Good. Good.

BROWNE: I really want you to start -- you know, I can't prescribe it. Take some vitamin C, too, because it looks like you're getting all plugged.

CALLER: Yes, sinuses.

BROWNE: Well, that is, that's upper respiratory. But I also would have someone check your colon area.

CALLER: My colon area?


KING: OK. Do you know when you're going to die?

BROWNE: Yes. When I'm 88.

KING: Flintville, Tennessee, hello.

CALLER: Hello, Sylvia.


CALLER: Hi. My youngest son has played football all his life. Right now he plays arena football. And I just wondered, if he's ever going to get to the NFL or should he quit?

KING: What team is he on?

CALLER: The Columbus Wardogs.

BROWNE: Honey, I don't ever want to discourage anyone, but I don't see him doing that, because he's going to take a side track and go into working with people, like in paramedics, medical or whatever.

KING: So he's not going to say with football?

BROWNE: No. He's certainly good.

KING: Oklahoma City, hello.

CALLER: Yes, Sylvia, 620 days on Larry's show, you agreed to take James Randy's $1 million paranormal challenge, and on a later show you even agreed to the specific terms of the test.

BROWNE: Yes, but let me tell you something. I also found out that he won't put it into escrow. He won't put the money into escrow.

CALLER: You agreed to the terms of the test.

BROWNE: No, not until he puts the money into escrow. I mean, why would I do it when the money can't be validated?

CALLER: Have you contacted James?

BROWNE: I don't want to contact him. I already know about this Russian person who the lawyer contacted and said he won't put it into escrow.

CALLER: OK, so you agreed 620 days ago to take his test.

BROWNE: I'm not going to do that -- I'm not going to do that if he doesn't have the money.

CALLER: If I can arrange for James to come up with the money, would you take the test?

KING: You said you would.

BROWNE: Yes, yes, I will. But if he won't come up with the other girl, why would he come up with me?

KING: If you come up with it, sir, she'll do it.

CALLER: And will you arrange for it, Larry?

KING: Sure.

CALLER: You got it.

KING: Be happy to do it. Crestline, California, hello.

CALLER: Hello. Hello, Sylvia. My brother has been missing for over 40 years.

BROWNE: No, honey, he's not alive.

CALLER: Pardon?

BROWNE: He's not alive.


BROWNE: For one thing, honey, I don't think you have to be psychic to figure out, especially with your brother, he wasn't the type who wouldn't let anybody know where he was and be gone this long.

CALLER: Do you see how he died?

BROWNE: Yes. I hate to tell you this, but this was foul play, because he was running around with some unsavory people. Now, if you don't believe me, go back and validate this.

KING: Harmon, Tennessee, hello.

CALLER: Yes. Ms. Sylvia, I was wondering why, being the youngest of six, that my parents were always harder on me than all the others.

KING: She's the youngest of six. Why were her parents hardest on her? Usually the baby gets the break.

BROWNE: Yes, the baby gets the break. Yes, I think it's because -- I don't know why, but they had such great expectations for you. They felt that the rest of them didn't do what they wanted to, and everything rolled down the hill toward you.

KING: Bobcaygeon, Ontario, hello.

CALLER: Good evening, Sylvia. Hi, Larry. My husband is constantly in pain and he keeps saying that he won't be around very much longer, and we've been to many doctors and nobody seems to know what's the problem with him. He has diabetes. He can hardly walk sometimes. And I just don't know what to do.

BROWNE: You can't do anything, because he's too stubborn to watch his diet. He's too stubborn to do anything that anybody tells him to do, so it's almost like he's programming himself to go. You see what I'm saying?

CALLER: Yes, I do.

BROWNE: So what are you going to do? (CROSSTALK)

BROWNE: That's right.

KING: We'll be back with some more moments with Sylvia Browne. Her new book is "Sylvia Browne's Book of Angels." Don't go away.


KING: We're back. Westbrook, Connecticut, hello.

CALLER: Hello. I just wonder if there's anything she could tell -- my husband will have been dead a year this May 31. And can she tell me anything about him or...

BROWNE: Yes. See, you know, Larry asked me a very interesting question about anybody, you know, getting caught in between. He's not in between. And this is not a copout, but he's in orientation, which means you won't hear from him for a while. Orientation means that it was a very, very hard crossing for him. He's not caught in between, but he's like my father. I didn't get a hold of my father right away either, and I'm a medium and a psychic. Means that they had to cocoon him. So apparently he had a hard passing and he didn't want to go.

KING: They, there are people who run this place?

BROWNE: Oh, yes. Oh, yes. God for one.


BROWNE: God, for one.

KING: God. He's the heavy.

BROWNE: Oh, yes.

KING: Worcester, Massachusetts. Hello.


KING: Go ahead.

CALLER: Good evening, Sylvia. Glad to talk to you. My husband died about a year and a half ago of Alzheimer's.


CALLER: And I wondered if he realized what he went through and what we went through.

KING: Great question. If they die of Alzheimer's, do they remember anything?

BROWNE: Oh, yes, they do remember. He didn't remember when he was here, because he was more there than here, because he just really didn't know he was here. Do you see what I mean? Now, as soon as they pass, they know everything. It's -- but, see, he was showing signs of this three or four years before it ever got bad.

CALLER: Oh, so it took time to...

BROWNE: Yes, to materialize. You know, it's like saying -- and of course everybody gets worried when they get older. It's like getting forgetful, but more and more and then all of a sudden it hits.

KING: But once they pass on, the memory is all there?

BROWNE: Memory's all there.

KING: Norton, Ohio. Hello.

CALLER: Hello. Hi, Sylvia. My husband is just getting ready to start his own business. And he has a gentleman who is willing to go out on a limb for him. And I'm kind of curious if this gentleman is a trustworthy partner and how the business will go.

BROWNE: No, I don't trust this person. I don't trust this person. I tell you one thing. Your husband is a leader, though, and he can do it. But he's going to have someone who is of Asian descent that is going to come in that is going to help him.

KING: River Grove, Illinois, hello.

CALLER: Yes, hi. I was wondering what my employment situation was going to look like?

BROWNE: Very, stiff until about the end of August of this year. And then it looks like you're going to be doing something in administrative, in a technical field.

KING: So she's going to change jobs?


KING: OK, to Machesney Park, Illinois. Hello.

CALLER: Hi, Sylvia. I was just wondering how my financial situation was going to go?

BROWNE: Well, it's been really kind of pitiful lately, I mean, kind of sickly. But it really, really gets better -- God, for -- not for about a year and a half. It's really stiff. So -- in about a year and a half it gets better.

KING: OK. St. Augustine, Florida, hello.

CALLER: Yes. Good evening, Larry.


CALLER: Sylvia, I'm a big fan of yours. And I wouldn't miss watching you. My husband left me. And I still love him very much.

BROWNE: Yes. CALLER: Is he going to come home, and if so, when?

BROWNE: No, he's not going to come home, honey. You -- not to be cruel, but you know he's with someone else. Don't you know that?


BROWNE: Don't you also know that she's kind of light-haired?

CALLER: I know her, yes.

BROWNE: Yes, OK. No. He went through a typical what we call male menopause, and he's not going to come back, sweetheart. I don't want you to have false hope.

CALLER: Thank you.

KING: Thank you. Is it tough to deliver something like that?

BROWNE: Sure it is, because it hurts a person. But I don't want to tell her a lie, Larry, and have her wait forever.

KING: I'm sorry if we didn't get to you. We've run out of time. We listened to a lot of people tonight. We thank you so much for coming, Sylvia.

BROWNE: Thank you, Larry.

KING: Sylvia Browne's latest book is Sylvia Browne's "Book of Angels," it's number nine right now on "The New York Times" list of best selling self-help books. It's always nice to have her on LARRY KING LIVE, and she was pretty much on the mark tonight.

We'll come back in a couple of minutes, go to a special tribute and tell you about what's coming over the weekend. Don't go away.


KING: Thursday we lost a country music icon and a great lady. June Carter Cash was 73. She died from complications following heart surgery. As part of the Carter family, she was one of country music's pioneers. As the wife of Johnny Cash, she shared life's stage with one of the most distinctive voice in music. And Johnny would be the first to tell you he's had some rough times, but June Carter always saw him through. Here's how he characterized their relationship back in 1996.


KING: How has the marriage worked so well?


KING: Yes.

CASH: Twenty-eight years, separate bathrooms. KING: That's one key. What's another key?

CASH: Give the lady her space, respect her for what she does, for what she is. If she is doing nothing but taking care of the house and the kids, let her know how important that is to her. And bend over backwards -- both of you have to bend over backwards to -- not necessarily to compromise yourself or what you are, what you do, but to honor the other.

KING: Do you think it helps that you're both entertainers?

CASH: Oh, yes. Yes. It may have been the key, because we've been together, you know, she's been with me out there through all the hard times as well as the good, since 1962.


KING: June Carter Cash dead at 73. We'll all miss her.

Tomorrow night, we'll repeat our interview with Dr. Phil, and Sunday night, the "60 Minutes" crew. Aaron Brown is off tonight, so Kate Snow is hosting "NEWSNIGHT," and she's coming up right straight ahead. Thanks for joining us, and good night.


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