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International Wrap: Eye on the World

Aired September 10, 2003 - 05:45   ET

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CAROL COSTELLO, CNN ANCHOR: Well the road map to peace appears to be in pieces. Want to get more perspective now. Our senior international editor David Clinch joins us.
And it seems that the cycle of violence is just going to remain that, a cycle.

DAVID CLINCH, SENIOR INTERNATIONAL EDITOR: Yes, it never ends. I mean somebody asked me last night, can we describe what happened in Gaza today as retaliation by the Israelis for what happened in Jerusalem and Tel Aviv yesterday? Well, it's beyond retaliation. I mean it is a cycle, it is retaliation, but it is a continuity of violence at this point.

And looking sort of a little bit deeper, we always try and do this look a little bit behind just the surface of these attacks yesterday and what happened today. Two sort of human interest aspects of this story that I am interested in today, actually late last night in the Palestinian areas. In Gaza itself, actually, before the attacks today, we saw pictures of Palestinians celebrating, or at least shouting in a celebratory mood anti-Israeli slogans after they had heard about the attacks in Jerusalem and in Tel Aviv.

And it just it bears, I think, some attention on our part to the fact that there are or there is a significant portion of the Palestinian population that does not view this as terrorism. They don't view the attacks in Jerusalem and Tel Aviv as terrorism, they view them as part of a war, as a victory in some form or another, and we have to deal with that fact. It may be abhorrent to us. It may be -- it certainly is to Israelis, but it is something that we have to deal with and it is certainly something that the new Palestinian leader, he hasn't even taken the job yet,...

COSTELLO: Whoever it might be, right.

CLINCH: ... but Ahmed Koray (ph), if he does in fact become Palestinian Prime Minister, will have the same job all the other leaders have had of dealing with that extremist element of their own -- of their own society. He has a tough job, which he hasn't even taken yet. And he of course...

COSTELLO: But as long as Yasser Arafat remains in power, which he will be even if this guy says yes to the job of Prime Minister, that's always going to be a major sticking point, isn't it?

CLINCH: Absolutely. And you have to think, I mean we've been through this many, many times before, but you have to think that the Israelis are preparing to try and make a move on Arafat again today. And I'm not saying that will happen. I'm just -- we hear it again and again from Israeli officials. The Israelis say they won't do it at this point, but they may do it soon and we have to be aware of that fact, too.

Another human aspect of this story, too, of the killings in Jerusalem yesterday, the attack on the cafeteria, and a tremendously sad and personal aspect to that story. A doctor, actually the head of the emergency room in one of the main medical centers in Jerusalem, which was caring for the people who were taking -- taken from the cafeteria, one of the problems immediately was the head of the emergency room didn't turn up for duty.

Well it turned out that he, a man by the name of Dr. David Applebaum (ph), had gone to this cafeteria that evening to meet his daughter, 20-year-old daughter, who was to be married today in Jerusalem, to give her some last minute advice, to have a chat with her before she got married. They were both killed, so he did not turn up for duty today, last night at the -- at the emergency room. She is being buried today with him in Israel. The family attending a funeral instead of a wedding, so very sad.

And not only that, this doctor, Dr. Applebaum, had just returned from New York where he had given a speech at a symposium in New York as part of 9/11 anniversary being marked on how to prepare for and to treat victims of a massive terror attack. So a man who obviously was prepared to give of himself and his expertise to others and obviously also a father, he and his daughter killed in that Jerusalem attack.

COSTELLO: Well you know you hear human stories like this of the pain and suffering that's going on in that part of the world, and I think many Americans are just frustrated. And some may think someone has to step up and stop the retaliatory violence,...

CLINCH: Yes.

COSTELLO: ... but that never really seems to happen.

CLINCH: Well it doesn't. And this may seem a little bit facetious, but I suppose you could use the image of the approach to sort of getting rid of bugs in your home. You can go around slamming all the bugs with a shoe and they keep coming back all of the time, or you can treat the root causes and hopefully get rid of them.

Now that, again, I don't mean to sound silly, but I think that's the problem that Israelis and Americans are facing in terms of how to deal with this problem. Can you get rid of the terrorists, probably never. Can you get rid of the root causes, maybe, but it takes a long time, a lot of money and a lot of effort.

COSTELLO: All right. David Clinch, many thanks, we appreciate it.

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Aired September 10, 2003 - 05:45   ET
THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.
CAROL COSTELLO, CNN ANCHOR: Well the road map to peace appears to be in pieces. Want to get more perspective now. Our senior international editor David Clinch joins us.
And it seems that the cycle of violence is just going to remain that, a cycle.

DAVID CLINCH, SENIOR INTERNATIONAL EDITOR: Yes, it never ends. I mean somebody asked me last night, can we describe what happened in Gaza today as retaliation by the Israelis for what happened in Jerusalem and Tel Aviv yesterday? Well, it's beyond retaliation. I mean it is a cycle, it is retaliation, but it is a continuity of violence at this point.

And looking sort of a little bit deeper, we always try and do this look a little bit behind just the surface of these attacks yesterday and what happened today. Two sort of human interest aspects of this story that I am interested in today, actually late last night in the Palestinian areas. In Gaza itself, actually, before the attacks today, we saw pictures of Palestinians celebrating, or at least shouting in a celebratory mood anti-Israeli slogans after they had heard about the attacks in Jerusalem and in Tel Aviv.

And it just it bears, I think, some attention on our part to the fact that there are or there is a significant portion of the Palestinian population that does not view this as terrorism. They don't view the attacks in Jerusalem and Tel Aviv as terrorism, they view them as part of a war, as a victory in some form or another, and we have to deal with that fact. It may be abhorrent to us. It may be -- it certainly is to Israelis, but it is something that we have to deal with and it is certainly something that the new Palestinian leader, he hasn't even taken the job yet,...

COSTELLO: Whoever it might be, right.

CLINCH: ... but Ahmed Koray (ph), if he does in fact become Palestinian Prime Minister, will have the same job all the other leaders have had of dealing with that extremist element of their own -- of their own society. He has a tough job, which he hasn't even taken yet. And he of course...

COSTELLO: But as long as Yasser Arafat remains in power, which he will be even if this guy says yes to the job of Prime Minister, that's always going to be a major sticking point, isn't it?

CLINCH: Absolutely. And you have to think, I mean we've been through this many, many times before, but you have to think that the Israelis are preparing to try and make a move on Arafat again today. And I'm not saying that will happen. I'm just -- we hear it again and again from Israeli officials. The Israelis say they won't do it at this point, but they may do it soon and we have to be aware of that fact, too.

Another human aspect of this story, too, of the killings in Jerusalem yesterday, the attack on the cafeteria, and a tremendously sad and personal aspect to that story. A doctor, actually the head of the emergency room in one of the main medical centers in Jerusalem, which was caring for the people who were taking -- taken from the cafeteria, one of the problems immediately was the head of the emergency room didn't turn up for duty.

Well it turned out that he, a man by the name of Dr. David Applebaum (ph), had gone to this cafeteria that evening to meet his daughter, 20-year-old daughter, who was to be married today in Jerusalem, to give her some last minute advice, to have a chat with her before she got married. They were both killed, so he did not turn up for duty today, last night at the -- at the emergency room. She is being buried today with him in Israel. The family attending a funeral instead of a wedding, so very sad.

And not only that, this doctor, Dr. Applebaum, had just returned from New York where he had given a speech at a symposium in New York as part of 9/11 anniversary being marked on how to prepare for and to treat victims of a massive terror attack. So a man who obviously was prepared to give of himself and his expertise to others and obviously also a father, he and his daughter killed in that Jerusalem attack.

COSTELLO: Well you know you hear human stories like this of the pain and suffering that's going on in that part of the world, and I think many Americans are just frustrated. And some may think someone has to step up and stop the retaliatory violence,...

CLINCH: Yes.

COSTELLO: ... but that never really seems to happen.

CLINCH: Well it doesn't. And this may seem a little bit facetious, but I suppose you could use the image of the approach to sort of getting rid of bugs in your home. You can go around slamming all the bugs with a shoe and they keep coming back all of the time, or you can treat the root causes and hopefully get rid of them.

Now that, again, I don't mean to sound silly, but I think that's the problem that Israelis and Americans are facing in terms of how to deal with this problem. Can you get rid of the terrorists, probably never. Can you get rid of the root causes, maybe, but it takes a long time, a lot of money and a lot of effort.

COSTELLO: All right. David Clinch, many thanks, we appreciate it.

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