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Arnold and Maria Do Damage Control; New Video Released of Jessica Lynch's Rescue; Is North Korea Bluffing?
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ANDERSON COOPER, HOST (voice-over): Standing by her man or pulling the strings? What's Maria Shriver's real role in her husband's campaign?
Can the Justice Department or the White House plug the CIA's spy leak?
A writer on trial for murder. Is blood the key to the case?
Who makes the perfect spy? Could you?
OxyContin. Why are hundreds of thousands addicted?
And this weekend's hot Hollywood ticket.
ANNOUNCER: Live from the CNN broadcast center in New York, this is ANDERSON COOPER 360.
COOPER: And thanks for joining us on this Friday. We begin with a bold statement today from Arnold Schwarzenegger: "It's time we chase Gray Davis out of Sacramento."
But Schwarzenegger is being chased in a sense, as well, by his past. Not just the accusations of groping. Now there are allegations that he once expressed admiration for a monster.
His response and the political fallout from CNN's Kelly Wallace.
KELLY WALLACE, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): After the toughest day yet of his political life, Arnold Schwarzenegger's strategy: try to stay on message and accuse Democrats of trying to bring him down.
ARNOLD SCHWARZENEGGER (R), CALIFORNIA GUBERNATORIAL CANDIDATE: Let me tell you something. They already have begun. But I -- I will stay focused. I will always stay focused, because the fight continues.
WALLACE: Schwarzenegger's fighting not only his opponents but his past, continuing to deny that during a 1975 interview for a documentary about his life, he expressed admiration for Adolf Hitler.
SCHWARZENEGGER: Because I don't remember ever having said any of those things because I despise Hitler and despise Nazis, despise anything that it stood for.
WALLACE: But in a phone conversation with CNN, the man who interviewed the then champion bodybuilder recalled Schwarzenegger saying in response to a question that Hitler was his first hero.
PETER DAVIS, JOURNALIST: I didn't think that he was in any way advocating anything that Adolf Hitler advocated. He was just saying this is what you do when you're a boy in Austria and your father is a police chief.
WALLACE: It was the second day of aides doing none-stop damage control after Schwarzenegger's extraordinary apology following allegations he groped women. That apology, too little too late, said these women activists at a news conference featuring one of the women who claimed Schwarzenegger made unwelcome advances in 1975.
E. JAINE STOCKTON, SAYS SCHWARZENEGGER GROPED HER: The gym was rather full and Arnold passed me by, and he groped my breast. It completely caught me off guard. I was just shocked.
WALLACE: What impact is this all having? No surprise, it depends whom you ask. Schwarzenegger's aides say their overnight polling shows a slight increase in support for the candidate following his apology. But the Davis team says its overnight polling shows a slight decrease in support for recalling Governor Gray Davis -- Anderson.
COOPER: Kelly Wallace, thanks very much. It is getting down to the wire. Another recall opponent of Schwarzenegger responded to the allegations today, though he sounded less like a lieutenant governor and more like an angry dad.
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CRUZ BUSTAMANTE, CALIFORNIA LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR: Had they been my daughters, there wouldn't have been this kind of delay on what took place. It wouldn't have taken a campaign to resolve this matter.
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COOPER: Well, now the reaction of one woman in particular, Maria Shriver, Arnold's wife and a Kennedy, who knows the impact of scandal as few people do. Her reaction is being closely watched, just like Hillary Clinton's was. But if Shriver is furious with her husband, she was not showing it today.
CNN's Candy Crowley has that part of the story.
(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE) CANDY CROWLEY, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): The daughter of privilege, she is by bloodline and politics a Kennedy Democrat. He's an Austria immigrant who bootstrapped his way from poverty to world fame and great wealth. A Schwarzenegger Republican.
She didn't want him to run. He said he had to. She took a leave from her job in journalism and said she'd be with him. Now this.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You can't vote for this man, because Arnold Schwarzenegger has a serious problem with women.
MARIA SHRIVER, ARNOLD SCHWARZENEGGER'S WIFE: One at a time.
CROWLEY: How do you solve this problem if you're Maria?
SHRIVER: Nothing hurts, because I know the man that I'm married to.
CROWLEY: They were campaigning separately Thursday when the story consumed his splashy bus tour. That night, she was there.
SHRIVER: Everybody that I've met today has said that they admire the way he has handled this, they admire his strength for getting into this race, as do I.
CROWLEY: It was the starkest of settings in the starkest of times. And as Mr. And Mrs. Arnold Schwarzenegger took their leave, the strain showed. You had you to wonder who she was maddest at.
SHRIVER: He is his own man. After more than a quarter century hanging around my family, he's still a Republican.
CROWLEY: With a list of ten reasons to vote Schwarzenegger, the man she says is an A-plus human being, Maria Shriver was back on the trail Friday. What she knows about what everybody's read is hers not to tell.
SHRIVER: You know, I'm not going to go down this road, because I don't believe in gutter politics, and I don't believe in gutter journalism. So I think you can keep asking me that question, but you're not going to get a response from me.
CROWLEY: Touche, Mrs. Schwarzenegger.
Candy Crowley, CNN, Los Angeles.
COOPER: On to the latest in the strange tale this week of Rush Limbaugh. A week that began with controversy over something he said about a black quarterback; it ends with allegations of a prescription drug habit.
People expect Rush to tell it like it is at a pretty high decibel level. That is not what they heard today.
Susan Candiotti joins us now from Miami -- Susan.
SUSAN CANDIOTTI, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Hello, Anderson.
As we know, Rush Limbaugh usually doesn't hold back on any subject. Today, however, on his talk show he didn't have much to say about a woman who claimed she sold him thousands and thousands of prescription painkillers, a claim she's taken to the Palm Beach County state attorney's office in Florida, according to law enforcement sources.
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RUSH LIMBAUGH, RADIO TALK SHOW HOST: I don't know -- yet know what I'm dealing with here, folks. I really don't know the full scope of what I am dealing with.
And when I get all the facts, and when I get all the details of this, rest assured that I will discuss this with you and tell you how it is. Tell you everything there is, maybe more than you want to know about this. You can believe me and trust me on that.
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CANDIOTTI: Now law enforcement sources tell CNN the woman making the claims is a former housekeeper at Limbaugh's oceanfront mansion in Palm Beach.
Sources close to the investigation say she turned over what she describes are records of pills she claims she sold to Limbaugh. Sources also tell CNN they have seen e-mails they say appear to be from Limbaugh to the woman about drugs, and answering machine messages that sound like his voice.
But Anderson, investigators say they are unclear at this time whether any charges will be filed against anyone.
Back to you.
COOPER: All right, Susan Candiotti, following this story very closely.
We're going to talk to some people who know first-hand what OxyContin is all about a little bit later on.
But first, a TV movie is being filmed in Texas about Jessica Lynch's POW ordeal. We talked about that last week.
The former Army private, however, has remained out of the public eye. But today a new video and new details emerge about what happened to Jessica Lynch when she was captive.
CNN Pentagon correspondent Barbara Starr has that.
BARBARA STARR, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): After commandos rushed Jessica Lynch out of an Iraqi hospital on to a plane to Kuwait and freedom, doctors tried to reassure the terrified and badly injured young woman.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You're doing great, Jessica. You're doing wonderful. OK?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Welcome back.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Just like I told you. OK? We're on a plane now and we're going to go to Kuwait. OK? It's about an hour and 15 minute plane ride. OK? All these doctors are going to be in here the whole time. And I'm not leaving you. They're going to cut the dressings off your legs. OK? They're going to -- there you go.
STARR: Jessica Lynch would leave Iraq behind and be welcomed home to her family and friends two and a half months later in West Virginia, still recovering, and getting ready to tell the story of her flight to freedom.
STARR: So Anderson, what's really remarkable about this video we're seeing for the first time, it's the very first moments of Jessica Lynch's rescue, her conversation with her rescuers on her flight to freedom -- Anderson.
COOPER: Amazing to see those new pictures after all this time. Barbara Starr, thanks very much for that.
On to the political uproar of the week: the question of whether someone at White House deliberately blew the cover of a CIA operative.
Today the White House counsel put the staff on notice, telling them to get ready to hand over documents, be prepared for questioning at any moment and plan to take an oath.
White House correspondent Suzanne Malveaux has all that.
SUZANNE MALVEAUX, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): President Bush is trying to carry out business as usual.
Remarks on Iraq.
GEORGE W. BUSH, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Saddam Hussein was a threat. A serious danger.
MALVEAUX: And a day trip to Milwaukee, Wisconsin, for fund raising and a speech on the economy.
BUSH: We acted by passing tax relief.
MALVEAUX: But the buzz around the White House makes these times anything but usual. Today White House counsel Alberto Gonzalez sent all White House staffers two memos from the Justice Department. One details the kinds of documents employees must turn over, including documents relating to any contact regarding Joseph Wilson or his wife and her position at the CIA, any communication between the White House and the press regarding Joseph Wilson and his wife, additionally, any documents involving contact with Robert Novak or two "Newsday" reporters.
The second memo requires every employee to certify that they have produced all documents "in my possession" and to sign that they understand false statements may result in criminal penalties and that all documents must be turned over no latter than 5 p.m. on October 7.
The Justice Department is also pursuing the source of the leak at the Pentagon and State Department.
COLIN POWELL, SECRETARY OF STATE: We've been asked to take a look at our calendars and documents to see if we have any information that is relevant to this inquiry. And we obviously will cooperate fully with the Department of Justice in getting the answers that they seek.
MALVEAUX: Now the next phase of this investigation, Anderson, are the interviews of senior White House staff -- Anderson.
COOPER: All right. Suzanne Malveaux at the White House. Thanks for that.
Now let's check's tonight uplink for some stories around the globe.
Bagram (ph), Afghanistan. Bomb blasts at a home near the base -- near the main base for U.S. forces. It is unclear if it was an accident or intentional. At least four Afghanis were killed, and two are missing.
Mogadishu, Somalia. Today marks the tenth anniversary of Black Hawk Down, a downed U.S. helicopter -- you see it right there -- which marked the turning point for operations in Somalia. Pictures of dead American soldiers being dragged through the streets of Mogadishu were broadcast around the world. Soon after, U.S. forces withdrew from that country.
Islamabad, Pakistan. Missile tests. The army says it successfully test fired a nuclear capable surface-to-surface missile. It also says more tests are on the way in the next couple days.
Havana, Cuba. Demanding political change despite a government crackdown, the leader of the so-called Varela Project delivered more than 14,000 new signatures to Cuba's parliament today. What's significant is they're seeking sweeping changes to the country's socialist system.
Rome, Italy. Special delivery. Protesters dumped three barrels of fresh excrement right in front of the home of the Italian prime minister, Silvio Berlusconi. Now it's to protest tomorrow's European Union meeting to discuss the European constitution. Don't know how the fresh excrement was placed in the barrel to begin with, but it cannot have been a pretty process.
Ottawa, Canada, he will inhale. The country's 69-year-old prime minister, Jean Chretien, says he is considering taking a toke, smoking a doobie, when smoking pot no longer becomes a criminal offense and when he retires. He's pushing for a new law which would only require pot users to pay a fine if caught with small amounts.
And that is tonight's uplink.
Well, nuclear North Korea. Flexing its military muscle. Imminent threat or dangerous game of chicken? We're going to take a closer look at that.
Also, birth of a spy. Find out how agents and traders get recruited. Part of our special series "The Spying Game."
And OxyContin. They call it hillbilly heroin. So why are so many doctors prescribing it? Two sides sound off.
First, let's took a look inside the box at tonight's top stories on the network evening newscasts.
COOPER: Kobe Bryant is under the weather. That's how L.A. Lakers officials are explaining why he was not on the plane that brought his teammates to training camp in Hawaii.
The absence, of course, comes just days before Bryant is scheduled to appear in court for a preliminary hearing in the sexual assault case against him.
CNN's Josie Burke joins us now from Honolulu with details -- Josie.
JOSIE BURKE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Anderson, I can tell you this. Kobe Bryant is still not here in Hawaii. And the Lakers say they don't know when or if he will join them in Honolulu for training camp.
So this morning the rest of the Lakers -- and that's pretty much all of them -- went about life without Kobe Bryant. And they held their first full-squad practice of this training camp.
And afterward, players approached questions about Kobe Bryant that came from a media contingent that numbered about 75 in very different ways. Some players like Shaquille O'Neal refused to answer any question about Kobe Bryant, while other players were forthcoming about their feelings, especially about Kobe Bryant's absence.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Disappointed in the opportunity not to see him. Not seeing him and talking to him and spending time together as a group. This is the foundation of the start to a season, and we look forward to seeing him as soon as possible. But with the understanding that he is dealing with responsibilities off the court that are important to him and his family, and those things come first.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We're not distracted. We're not distracted at all. We come in here to play basketball. And as soon as he gets here, we're going to welcome him.
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BURKE: The Lakers have another practice this afternoon. And obviously, they do not expect Kobe Bryant to attend. But they did say there's a chance they could get word from a Bryant representative later today that would give them a little more information about whether or not to expect him here -- Anderson.
COOPER: All right, Josie, thanks very much.
Let's take a quick trip across country right now.
Marching orders. Dozens of New England soldiers stationed in Kuwait can go home after all. The Army reservists were originally told they could buy commercial plane tickets for a leave that was later canceled. Now a military liaison says the problem was fixed and the leaves are back on.
Houston, Texas. Fugitive surrenders. A Texas man has surrendered in Alabama, where he was living with a wife and a new name. Michael Blane Brashar is charged with strangling a 14-year-old girl in Houston back in 1982. The case was recently featured on "America's Most Wanted."
Los Angeles. Diminished Luster. A judge has ordered convicted rapist Andrew Luster to pay more than 20 million in damages to just one of his victims. Three women have accused the Max Factor heir of drugging and sexually assaulting them at his house near Los Angeles.
Hidden Heights, New Jersey. Youth movement. A man who is not old enough to legally drink, well, he is running for mayor. Those are his posters. What's his platform? Twenty-year-old Tommy Avallone wants to bring in bands to help raise money and lower taxes in towns.
One of those security guard looked about 12-years-old.
That's a look at the stories across country tonight.
Well, back overseas, saber rattling. Recently North Korea has been hyping its nuclear might and weapons program. And that makes the U.S., as well as North Korea's neighbors, more than a little nervous.
As our senior Asian correspondent Mike Chinoy reports, the communist nation may just be playing a provocative game.
(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE) MIKE CHINOY, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): The imperialists would have already invaded, says the North Korean TV announcer, had General Kim Jong-Il not made arming the country our top priority.
Reminding the world of its military prowess, especially its nuclear program, is central to North Korea's game.
But behind the bombast, Pyongyang seems eager to deal.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The North Koreans have this history of floating their concessions on a tide of threats. And so you also have to pay attention to what they're offering.
CHINOY: What Kim Jong-Il's regime has offered is a formula. We dismantle our nuclear program, the North Korea news agency has declared, and the U.S. makes a switchover in its hostile policy towards us.
And specifics. Freezing nuclear weapons development, readmitting inspectors, and ending missile exports and tests. But only as part of a so-called package deal with the U.S., which Washington has rejected insisting instead, the North agree to disarm first.
Now, though, Pyongyang may figure a beleaguered Bush administration could be vulnerable to pressure.
JOE WOLESTHAL, CARNEGIE ENDOWMENT: With a major conflict still raging in Iraq, with U.S. military stretched thin throughout the world and with an election year coming up, they may seek to create a crisis in the hopes that the Bush administration may want to settle.
CHINOY (on camera): And the price of not settling, the North Koreans appear to be signaling, will be an accelerated effort to become a full-fledged nuclear power.
Mike Chinoy, CNN, Hong Kong.
COOPER: Sex, money, politics and intrigue. A novelist accused of murdering his wife. Kimberly Guilfoyle Newsom briefs the case that is stranger than fiction.
Also tonight, Arnold's groping problem. Will female voters stand by the man or give him the boot? We'll hear from both sides.
And a little bit later, recruiting American traitors. A former KGB agent tells all in our weeklong series, "The Spying Game."
COOPER: Coming up now, justice served.
Closing arguments ended today in North Carolina in a trial that has captivated the state. Much of the country, in fact. Did a well-known writer's wife fall down the stairs and die, or was she beaten to death? Today the prosecution rested and on Monday, a jury begins deliberating.
Brian Cabell is following the trial.
BRIAN CABELL, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Michael Peterson is a novelist, a former mayoral candidate, and, he says, a man who loved his wife.
MICHAEL PETERSON, ON TRIAL FOR MURDER: Kathleen was my life. I whispered her name in my heart a thousand times. She is there. But I can't stop crying.
CABELL: His wife Kathleen died two years ago in a pool of blood at their million-dollar home in Durham. Peterson says she died when she fell down the stairs. A district attorney insists he beat her to death.
JIM HARDIN, DISTRICT ATTORNEY: How in the world can someone get 38 injuries over their face, back, head, hands, arms, and wrist, by falling down some steps?
CABELL: Prosecutors pointed to the apparently accidental death of Elizabeth Ratliff in 1958. She, too, apparently fell downstairs after Peterson had walked her home. Authorities exhumed her body earlier this year and concluded that she had actually been beaten to death.
The defense disputes that, saying the two similar deaths are simply a coincidence. Further, Peterson's attorney claims his client had no motive to kill his wife.
DAVID RUDOLPH, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: There was not a single bit of evidence presented at any time in this trial of any ongoing stress between Michael Peterson and Kathleen Peterson over anything.
CABELL: But prosecutors claim the couple had debt problems. Peterson wanted to collect on his wife's insurance policy.
Another suggested motive? Peterson is bisexual. Prosecutors say that was a problem in the marriage. The defense says it was not.
Jury deliberations begin Monday. Peterson faces a possible life sentence if convicted.
Brian Cabell, CNN.
COOPER: Well, let's take a closer look at the trial now. Here to help us, 360 legal analyst Kimberly Guilfoyle Newsom in San Francisco.
Kimberly, thanks for being with us.
There has just been a fascinating trial. We've been watching very closely now all along. I know you have been, as well. Who do you think did better? Prosecution or defense?
KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE NEWSOM, CNN LEGAL ANALYST: Well, things were looking good for the prosecution in the beginning. They were able to get in compelling evidence of a prior death, suggesting that Michael Peterson was the one responsible for that death, showing -- tending to prove that he was also responsible for his wife's death. That is highly unusual. That was impressive.
But from there it went really bad for the prosecution. The defense, led by David Rudolph, has done a masterful job of just decimating the prosecution's case.
First bringing in the alleged murder weapon, which was just brutal for the prosecution. I don't think they ever basically overcame that fact in the courtroom.
And the fact that the prosecution's own expert witness was discredited in front of the jury by Rudolph. The judge went so far to say that this witness perjured himself and ordered all of the testimony stricken from the record.
How do you recover from things like that?
COOPER: And it was such a risky prosecution strategy all along. Because they were basically putting it all on this chimney implement -- a blow poke I think they call it -- which they didn't even know where it was. They were kind of putting all their eggs in that basket.
Then all of a sudden last week the defense said, "Oh, actually, we found it. It's been in the garage all the time covered in dust."
NEWSOM: And if you didn't have the murder weapon, if you hadn't recovered it at the scene, meaning the prosecution, don't ever hang your hat on something like that, suggesting matter of factly that was the instrument that was used.
All they needed to do was show it was blunt force trauma and used by an object that would cause that. They didn't need to specify, and it may prove fatal just like the glove in the O.J. Simpson case did the whole prosecution in.
COOPER: Interesting. The defense sort of put together a top ten list, sort of like a David Letterman top ten list of reasonable doubt.
And one of the things that they said in this list was that the two sisters of the alleged victim, of the woman who died, was killed or died, that they never heard her say a bad thing about her husband.
But you actually have spoken to one of the sisters. Does she think Michael Peterson is guilty? NEWSOM: She absolutely thinks a hundred percent that he is the one responsible. She is anxious for justice to be served in this case. Really nice family. And you feel for them terribly.
She is convinced that they were not, in fact, soul mates, that she was not aware of these other things going on in his life, and that should have no bearing on it, that the physical evidence is compelling, the fact that she had lacerations across her head that cannot be explained, really, by a fall.
David Rudolph referred to it as, well, perhaps just a freak accident. That's the best thing the prosecution has going for them are those injuries, the physical evidence at the scene. I just don't know that it's going to be enough to overcome the damage that has been done to their case.
COOPER: Well, deliberations start Monday. We'll be watching.
Kimberly Guilfoyle Newsom, thanks very much.
NEWSOM: Thank you.
COOPER: Still ahead, do have you what it takes to be a spy?
Living life addicted to powerful painkillers.
And, what are you doing this weekend? We've got some ideas.
We'll be right back.
COOPER: Time for "The Reset," today's top stories. Let's move on.
President Bush, he defends his decision to go to war in Iraq. Speaking to reporters today at the White House, Mr. Bush said the world is better off with Saddam Hussein out of power. The president's comments come a day after chief U.S. weapons inspector David Kay announced his team has so far found no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.
One of the Democrats who wants the president's job says Americans need to know if they were intentionally deceived on Iraq. Retired General Wesley Clark is calling for an independent investigation on the Bush administration's use of intelligence before the war.
The woman who says she sold prescription drugs to Rush Limbaugh alleges she also received hush money in the deal. That's according to law enforcement source. Wilma Klein (ph), Limbaugh's former housekeeper, says she provided pills to the radio talk show host over at least four years.
Lawyers for D.C. sniper suspect John Allen Muhammad are asking a judge to dismiss the case. They say law enforcement officials wrongly leaked information about the case to two reporters who published a book about the shootings. One of Muhammad's lawyers says the book contains details that haven't been revealed to the public.
And the annual snapshot of the nation's health offers some disturbing news. Government statistics show the rate of diabetes in the U.S. shot up 27 percent between 1997 and 2002. The report by the National Center for Health Statistics also shows almost a third of Americans are obese and a whopping two-thirds overweight. And that is a look at tonight's "Reset."
Go back to California now. With little more than four days to go until the recall election and polls showing Arnold Schwarzenegger increasing his lead, the focus in recent days has shifted to his past. Hundreds of supporters cheered Schwarzenegger today, a day after he apologized for his bad behavior towards women, the accusations that he groped a number of women.
Will these allegations hurt his chances of becoming California's governor? Should they?
We'll hear now from two women with two very different points of view.
First, California Republican Congresswoman Mary Bono spoke with me earlier today from Bakersfield.
COOPER: Representative Bono, Arnold Schwarzenegger has apologized for what he termed bad behavior in the past. Others are saying this isn't just bad behavior, these allegations of groping are not just bad behavior, they are, in fact, criminal offenses in some cases. Do you think law enforcement should look into these allegations?
REP. MARY BONO (R), CALIFORNIA: I don't think so. I think this is really last-minute desperate campaign, you know, tactics that we're seeing here. And it is very unfortunate.
You know, this is something that I am interested in and I'm paying attention to. And I believed Arnold when he apologized for his past behavior and I take him at his word that that is a man in the past and he's moved on from that. And I think that's where we need to let it go.
COOPER: Well, would you be so willing to let it go -- I mean, if Arnold Schwarzenegger had -- had placed his hand on -- on your breast in an elevator, would you accept his apology and be willing to vote for him?
BONO: Well, first of all, if he had done that to me, if any man would do that to me, they'd know then and there it was wrong and they wouldn't have gotten away with it at that point in time.
But I think, you know, it really is unfortunate. I'm not going to sit here and say this is cool or I don't mind this sort of behavior. What is important is to recognize that people knew Arnold came from show business or entertainment background. They sort of expected this, that these things would come out. So it was no surprise.
What he did do, which was a really novel thing for a politician to do, is he said, I did it. It was wrong, it was stupid and I'm sorry. And that's huge to me and it's huge for this reason -- so many people stay out of politics and out of the political process because they're so afraid that something that they've done in the past is going to come out too. So I'm glad that somebody stepped up and said, Yes, I wasn't a saint. And I'm sorry. And let's go forward and talk about the future of California. That's where I am. Talking about the future of California and I know Arnold will lead and I know he'll serve women very well.
COOPER: All right. We'll leave it there this evening. Representative Bono, thank you very much for being with us.
BONO: Thank you.
COOPER: Well, let's turn now to Court TV anchor Lisa Bloom. She has a special interest in the subject. She was a sexual harassment lawyer. She's written an article about it on courttv.com Web site right now, and she says the allegations against Arnold have a familiar and disturbing ring.
Thanks for being with us.
LISA BLOOM, COURT TV ANCHOR: Absolutely.
COOPER: You heard from Representative Bono said. Your -- what are your thoughts?
BLOOM: First, I don't think the apology is a valid apology, Anderson. We teach our children to apologize by coming clean, going to the victim and apologizing, doing the right thing. Arnold's camp first attacked these victims, said that their stories were false. Then Arnold said he apologizes for bad behavior, but some of the stories are untrue. He can't have it both ways. Either he something wrong or he didn't.
COOPER: But these women did not step forward at the time, something that Representative Bono suggests that perhaps they should have.
BLOOM: Well, perhaps they should have. But that's a very difficult decision and about 80 percent of sexual harassment victims are never going to report what happened to them, especially in the entertainment business, especially against a big star like Arnold Schwarzenegger. But all of them told people at the time, years and years ago -- this was reported in "Premiere" magazine in 2001. The "L.A. Times" simply followed up on all the allegations.
What most of the press is missing is how serious these allegations are. We're talking about Arnold being accused of putting his hand under the shirt of a woman, grabbing her bare breast, reaching up under the skirt of a stranger, grabbing her buttocks, cornering a woman in an elevator trying to remove her robe. This isn't rowdy behavior, as Arnold says. This is sexual assault. There are crimes in California.
COOPER: but not really prosecutable unless somebody comes forward and in a timely manner.
BLOOM: Well, absolutely, and he has not been prosecuted. And that's up to each crime victim to determine if she's going to coming forward.
We see how crime victims are treated. Look at the Kobe Bryant victim. Death threats against her. It's understandable that women don't come forward.
And, you know, contrary to what Mary Bono says, it's not up to women to teach men what is acceptable behavior or not. I think most men understand you don't grab a woman's breasts -- a woman who is not in a relationship with you. I don't think it's up to women to teach Arnold that. I think it's up to him to apologize to his victims, to come clean and not to backpedal on these issues.
COOPER: All right. Two sides. We're going to have to leave it there. Lisa Bloom, thanks for being with us.
BLOOM: Thank you.
COOPER: All right. All week long we've been bringing you a look inside "The Spying Game." Tonight, finding the recruits. Spotting the perfect Sidney Bristo (ph) (sic) or "Alias" fame -- of "Alias" fame is clearly more art than science. You don't have to look like Jennifer Garner, but you surely need the daring and smarts, not to mention one very clean report.
More on recruiting spies now from CNN's Kathleen Koch.
KATHLEEN KOCH, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Call it spy chic, thanks to hot TV shows like "Alias" and "The Agency," record numbers of wannabes are knocking on the CIA's door.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They make the job looks so ideal and so interesting and fun.
KOCH: Post 9/11 patriotism plays a role too, resume submissions doubling since the attacks.
JOHN MCLAUGHLIN, DEPUTY DIR., CIA: We're looking for people who have high energy, people who want to serve their country, people who ant to make a difference, people who aren't daunted by challenge and ambiguity uncertainty and potential for surprise and danger.
KOCH: The CIA recruits at nearly 70 U.S. universities, at the Pentagon, even online. An new aggressive ad campaign this year for the first time targeted Arab and Chinese Americans. Broader focused ads ran in magazines like "The Economist." Spies must be U.S. citizens, under age 35, pass a polygraph and background investigation.
(on camera): There is training in espionage techniques and languages but it takes time to develop reel expertise.
BOB BAER, FORMER CIA SPY: It took me years. And I had to be out there. I had to run bad agents. I had to see bad intelligence. I had to see good intelligence against. And it started to -- I started to catch on.
KOCH (voice-over): Mission possible for the next generation of U.S. spies.
Kathleen Koch, CNN, Washington.
COOPER: Well, that's how the U.S. gets people to serve their country. Now we want to take a look at how you get them to betray it.
Oleg Kalugin is a former KGB operative who did just that for decades, personally recruiting, he says, eight Americans to spy for the Soviets. He eventually grew disillusioned with the KGB and was tried in absentia for treason. He is technically a Russian fugitive.
Oleg Kalugin joins us now from Washington.
Mr. Kalugin, thanks very much for being with us. When you first came to the United States, 1958, you were a Fulbright scholar. You were working for the KGB and you were you out to recruit Americans. What kind of Americans would you look for to make them spies?
OLEG KALUGIN, FMR. KGB OPERATIVE: Well, potential spies are essentially unhappy people, frustrated, disgruntled, disillusioned, angry, unhappy and they are looking for solutions to their problems by unorthodox methods sometimes.
COOPER: And what kind of a pitch do you make to them? I mean, how is spying a solution to their problem?
KALUGIN: Well, the intelligence officers' mission, or one of the top missions is to spot people of this nature, to find out what are the concerns of these people, what are the potential motivations and then develop these motivations and turn that person around and make him your asset. Well, if a person is driven by political or identify logical concerns, by civic concerns, by religious concerns, or whatever -- or by personal traits such as selfishness, greed, revenge, lack of recognition by his superiors, frustration of all sorts -- once you spot that person, you try to develop these unhappy just emotions and turn them into your favor.
You have to be very friendly. You have to be compassionate. Have you to be sympathetic to his cause, his personal problems. And believe me, a person, if he feels abandoned by his colleagues, by his country, by his organization he'll turn to you and try to help you.
COOPER: And you're basically pretending to be his friend. You weren't recruiting just, though, adults. I understand, one of the people you tried to recruit or did, you say, was an American high school student. What possible value would he give to the KGB?
KALUGIN: Well, unlike the United States intelligence as far as I know, the Soviets, the Russians and the Chinese, always practice recruitment of young people who would be at some point, years later, become what you want them to be.
The Cambridge Five in England and others who have nothing to offer in the '30s would later become serious -- I mean public figures.
COOPER: Fascinating that the KGB ,as you say, is just willing to wait to get somebody who may ultimately become valuable.
KALUGIN: That's perfectly all right. We are patient. We do not expect immediate gratification, so to speak. Instant solutions. We're willing to wait. That's important.
COOPER: Unlike the CIA. Oleg Kalugin, we have to leave it there. It's fascinating to talk to you. Appreciate you coming in.
KALUGIN: Thank you.
COOPER: Coming up on 360, the drug that's come into focus because of Rush Limbaugh. A powerful painkiller brings great relief to many. Also, serious danger of addiction. We'll talk to two former OxyContin users who had dramatically different experiences.
Also tonight, Courtney Love and arrest and the possibility of a drug overdose. What's going on? We'll look into that.
And a little bit later before we get out of time, the weekender goes to the movies and beyond. The hot list of what's out this weekend.
COOPER: The Rush Limbaugh story put the focus on OxyContin. It's a very powerful painkiller which is part of why it's a tempting target for abuse. Tonight, two people who have used it in the past who can show the dramatically different experiences people can have.
Shelly Griffith says she became addicted to OxyContin after two serious back surgeries caused her significant pain. She joins us from St. Louis. And Mary Vargas was in a car accident, used OxyContin and it helped her enormously.
We should add that the company that makes OxyContin, Perdue Pharma, recommended we talk to her. She is joining us from Washington. Appreciate both you being with us. Shelly, let me start off with you. You had these two back surgeries. You started using OxyContin. Your dosage was bumped up to a higher level. That's when the problems began. You say you became an addict. At what moment did you realize you were in over your head?
SHELLY GRIFFITH, FORMER OXYCONTIN USER: I realized I was in over my head when I was -- before they ever bumped up the dose. I asked the physician to please taper it down. I was not feeling well, suffering several side effects. I was drowsy, I couldn't concentrate, I was losing a lot of weight, no appetite. What my physician told me was that in fact I had built up tolerance and it hadn't become addicted or having a side effect, I needed more of the drug, not less.
COOPER: They gave you more of the drug.
GRIFFITH: Yes they did.
COOPER: How bad did it get for you? What kind of side effects? What was the bottom of the barrel?
GRIFFITH: The bottom of the barrel was not having an appetite, losing 80 to 90 pounds, not being able to stay awake, falling asleep driving a car, falling asleep sitting on the toilet. It doesn't matter. I was very much sedated.
COOPER: Someone told me you were eating three wheat thins a week and having something like 18 cans of soda a day.
GRIFFITH: Yes, I was. I lived on 18 cans of Pepsi a day as well as two pots of coffee. I was very anorexic, which was a side effect of the medication. And approximately three crackers a week.
COOPER: But Mary, I want to bring you in, because your experience could not have been any different. You were on this stuff for a very long period of time. You didn't have these side effects. In fact, it enabled to you have a regular life.
MARY VARGAS, FORMER OXYCONTIN USER: That's because I was a pain patient and I was prescribed OxyContin by very responsible physician who, thanks to his help and thanks to being able to be on that kind of medication, I was able to go to law school, I was able to take two bar exams and pass them, I was able to go to work.
This isn't about using drugs. This is about patients. I appreciate the fact that tonight patients have a voice. I'm here on behalf of patients, not on behalf of the makers of any medication.
COOPER; Shelly, when you hear the other side, when you hear Mary talk about this drug, it's obviously such a different experience than you. Why do you think you had this kind of reaction whereas Mary didn't?
GRIFFITH: Well, I think it's actually, she's -- I'm really pleased she didn't have this reaction. I am a chronic pain patient. I did take it as prescribed by a responsible physician who was told by the FDA this was a safe, nonaddictive drug.
The bottom line is whether you are taking it as prescribed, which I was, as directed, as I did, you will still become addicted. It's not just an addictive drug if the person happens to be an abuser. Chronic pain patients are becoming addicted to OxyContin.
COOPER: Mary, had you been given warnings in advance of using the drug what to expect?
VARGAS: The reality is that I was a very reluctant patient. I was in so much pain and I was able to get to a physician who was able to educate me about pain medications and who was able to educate me about the difference between addiction and dependence.
COOPER: Was it tough getting of the drug?
VARGAS: Pain medications can be dependent. They're not addictive. There will always be people who abuse pain medications, all kinds of medications. There will always be people who abuse those kinds of drugs and become addicted.
COOPER: Was it tough for you getting off the drug?
VARGAS: Absolutely not. With my physician, I stopped taking OxyContin because I opted to take a different medication, in part because of the negative stigma attached to OxyContin and the media frenzy connected to it. I had no problem. I've been able to have a son. I have an 11 month-old child. And the real focus needs to be on pain patients and making sure patients can get the medications they need in order to be functioning.
COOPER: We're going to have to leave it there. I do appreciate the both of you are doing well and are here and able to speak about this.
COOPER: It shows a lot.
Shelly, give you the last word.
GRIFFITH: I wanted to say that I am a chronic pain patient. And on behalf of millions out there, OxyContin will take away your own free will as well as your pain.
COOPER: All right, two different sides on this. Shelly Griffith and Mary Vargas, appreciate you joining us.
OK, time for a quick check of tonight's current. New concerns about Courtney Love today after her arrest on suspicion of being under the influence of a controlled substance. The "L.A. Times" is quoting law enforcement sources who say Love was later hospital for an overdose.
Moving on, fur protesters targeted Donatello Versace during Milan's fashion week. They said, Versace has ignored their ugly pictures of animals suffering. So this time they wanted to try an ugly picture for her.
And if things weren't rough enough for David Blaine during his on going fast in London. Now there's a Krispy Kreme doughnuts there. The opening at Herrod's Department Store means Brits can try the tasty doughnuts for themselves as well as hurl them at David Blaine.
Coming up next on 360, the new movies are out and you've just been admitted to the "School Of Rock." We'll look at that and more stuff on the weekender. Hope you brought your pencils. We'll be right back.
COOPER: Ah, "The Weekender." Some of the most interesting new movies coming out this weekend are actually sort of under the radar flicks. We'll get to them in a moment, but we wanted to kick off this edition of "The Weekender" with a look at a couple of new books that even non-readers might like, thanks to all the pretty pictures.
COOPER (voice-over): "Sandman: Endless Nights" has just debuted on the "New York Times" best seller list. The first time a comic book has done that. Or if you're too cool for comics, meet the Beatles again, in "Once There Was A Way: Photographs of The Beatles," from a photographer who traveled with them in their early days.
If you need a modern soundtrack for your reading, Ludacris is serving up "Chicken and Beer" next week. A tasty name for his CD.
And Living Colour turns out its long-awaited "Kaleidoscope," the first new album since reuniting. Or, if you're man enough, you might be able to handle five whole CDs of Neil Diamond, live, in the box set "Stages."
In movies, Denzel Washington is back in "Out of Time." But unlike "Training Day," this time he is a good cop. Or is he? Washington plays Matt Whitlock, which almost sounds like Matlock, which is about as old as the cliched set-up for this film.
Aiming for a slightly younger crowd is Jack Black, whose "School of Rock" is all about making sure the kids are all right.
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JACK BLACK, ACTOR: So who do you like?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Christina Aguilera.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Puff Daddy.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Liza Minnelli. BLACK: No! What do they teach in this place!
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COOPER: Oh, come on, leave Liza alone. Oh, well.
"New York Times" film critic Elvis Mitchell just graduated from "The School of Rock," and joins us now to tell us about it and some of the other movies out this weekend. How was "The School of Rock?"
ELVIS MITCHELL, "NEW YORK TIMES": It's a lot of fun. And what a handsome suit that is, by the way. (UNINTELLIGIBLE). That's a good looking kind of (UNINTELLIGIBLE).
MITCHELL: Kind of like Neil Diamond.
COOPER: But is "School of Rock" worth seeing?
MITCHELL: Yeah. Basically, Jack Black takes off from where he left off at the end of "High Fidelity," where he does "Let's Get It On." He's really kind of a big, larger than life, louder than life personality who has so much confidence, he's so incredibly cocky, he's basically a force of nature. He's somebody to be reckoned with. It's the right use of him. He's scruffy. He's an underdog. He's basically a wild (UNINTELLIGIBLE).
COOPER: It's a film the whole family will love.
MITCHELL: No. But 11-year-olds of all ages will love it.
MITCHELL: It really is incredibly unpretentious.
COOPER: All right, I'll go see this one this weekend.
MITCHELL: That's not an 11 year-old suit that you're wearing.
COOPER: Let me ask you about "Out of Time," Denzel Washington. I've seen the previews. It looks very stressful. I really -- (UNINTELLIGIBLE).
MITCHELL: Like I said, we're going to burn some incense, get some candles, (UNINTELLIGIBLE), you'll be cool. This movie will help you relax, as a matter of fact. It's kind of a real pallet cleanser for Washington. After "Training Day" and "Antwone Fisher" and "John Q," this is just kind of a walk through the park.
COOPER: So Denzel Washington, he said, I want to do a pallet cleanser now? I want a sorbet of a film?
MITCHELL: He was so worried about stress so he wanted to do something to get rid of that.
COOPER: Very briefly, let's get into "Mystic River." It's opening just in limited release. But it's interesting?
MITCHELL: Interesting. Not a great movie, but does have interesting things in it. It's sort of Eastwood doing an incredibly dark picture, the kind of thing you don't normally see from big studios.
COOPER: It's got Sean Penn in it. It's got a lot of people...
MITCHELL: Lawrence Fishburn, Tim Robbins, Kevin Bacon. An amazing cast. What you really get out of it is this a sense of pleasure the actors get from working off each other. That's the kind of confidence you don't get to see in big studio movies very often.
COOPER: It's like you and I working together, that sense of pleasure that the audience gets.
MITCHELL: I'm so hypnotized by the stress that now I'm feeling it.
COOPER: All right. We'll leave it there. Elvis Mitchell, thanks very much. You made my weekend complete.
Coming up next on 360, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Rush Limbaugh. Did they do what they're accused of? Did they really say they're sorry? If it seems less than clear, we may have just the answer. And Monday, we start our week-long series, "Inside the Prison System: Sex, Violence and Drugs." How inmates survive and thrive in some cases behind bars.
COOPER: Tonight, apologizing to "The Nth Degree." Regardless of your feelings about Rush Limbaugh or Arnold Schwarzenegger, you probably noticed that this week's apologies for various behavior fell somewhere between outright contrition and outright defiance. A lot of people weren't satisfied.
Well, I don't want that happening to me if I get caught up in a future scandal. So I've created an all-purpose apology. All you have to do is edit it down to choose whatever response is best suited to whatever I have to apologize for. Are you ready? All right, here we go.
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COOPER: I'd like to make a statement regarding my unfortunate remarks. My regrettable behavior. My recent crime spree.
Yes, I have behaved badly. Broken the law. Failed to clean up my room. Violated international treaties.
My actions have upset my stuff and crew. Women and Mormons. The great state of Wyoming. I feel I have no choice but to resign. Turn myself in. Return the monkeys as soon as I can find them.
Now that I've been caught, it's time for me to apologize to the woman. Six women. Twelve women, the midget and Michael Jackson's aardvark.
I hope now I can move on. Resume the people's business. Promote my memoirs.
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COOPER: That wraps up our program tonight. Have a great weekend. Coming up next, "PAULA ZAHN NOW."
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