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Euro Edition: Morning Papers

Aired October 13, 2003 - 05:43   ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.


CAROL COSTELLO, CNN ANCHOR: Time now, though, to check what's making headlines overseas in this morning's 'Euro Edition.' Tony Campion live in London for us.
Good morning -- Tony.

TONY CAMPION, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Good morning to you, Carol.

Thought I might start out, if it suits you, with a look at what is on the front page of the "Daily Mirror" today. I think we'll just show you exactly what you see here. This is Ali gets his arms. It's the story, I mean we have talked about him a lot in this slot. Ali Abbas is, of course, the Iraqi guy whose arms were lost when a U.S. missile killed members of his family. It was during the days about six months ago when the U.S. forces were rolling into Baghdad.

He was flown here to Britain by the Limbless Association, and he has now been given prosthetic limbs. A touching story. I mean he has had one family member, in particular, his Uncle Mohammed has been sort of looking after him and offering him a lot of care and support and stuff. And Mohammed is making the point, he thinks he has been very lucky, but the next stage is going to be very difficult.

And this really is the truth of it, isn't it? I mean you have to just pause and think for a minute what happened. Ali actually describes here what happened when the missile struck. And he says I was asleep. At first I thought it was a dream. Then they cut off my arms. I mean this is the boy talking himself. Everything was blurry when I woke up. I cried when I realized I didn't have my arms.

And now he's having to actually learn to do the simplest things again. He has to learn to eat. He's been put in touch with another man, a British man, age 49, who lost his arms when he was 8 in an entirely unrelated incident. But he wants to sort of hang around with this guy to learn how to use these prosthetic limbs. He's getting a lot of coverage, obviously here in the U.K., because it is such a poignant symbol of, you know, how pointless is war and what can go wrong when there is a conflict like this.

COSTELLO: And not only that, but what a brave little boy. I mean...

CAMPION: Absolutely. I mean they just agreed to the central (ph) (UNINTELLIGIBLE) article.

COSTELLO: ... he seems to be adjusting so well. Yes. I... CAMPION: Absolutely. Yes, and they are describing him as being, you know, a very intelligent, resilient lad. He is learning English day by day, and he keeps a sense of humor. He says he was relieved to hear that this guy, Chris, doesn't have a problem attracting women. You know he says it's going to help him get the ladies.

COSTELLO: It just breaks your heart, though.

I understand there are...

CAMPION: Yes.

COSTELLO: ... some headlines about the Anglican Church as well.

CAMPION: Yes, sure. Now this comes out of "The Times" newspaper, and this is kind of interesting. It's kind of an-Iraqi (ph), too. I don't know if you understand that phrase. But you know basically the Bishop of Durham, Dr. -- former Bishop of Durham, Dr. David Jenkins. He is kind of an influential religious figure in this country for those people who, you know, do essentially (UNINTELLIGIBLE). He's actually a very small minority of people in this country.

But what he is saying is that the Anglican -- the worldwide Anglican community should be dissolved over the issue basically about gay bishops and gay blessings, homosexual bishops and gay blessings. And what he is essentially saying is that the entire way that the Anglican Church the world over is organized needs to be completely rethought. Because he doesn't have faith in the support essentially for the election of the gay divorced father of two (ph), Gene Robinson, you'll know him, the Bishop of New Hampshire, and so on.

And also the issue of same sex blessings in the U.S. (UNINTELLIGIBLE) comes to the fore in this as well. So it's kind of a big one, if you are in that -- it has to be said now, small minority of people who does follow closely the workings of the Anglican Church.

COSTELLO: Got it. Got it. Men and women being paid in Europe on the job the same.

CAMPION: Yes, now this is a real interesting one, actually in yesterday's "Observer" newspaper. Of course we didn't get a chance to talk to you yesterday. Big, big differences in the amounts that men and women get paid. And now I'm embarrassed by this, Britain actually comes out worst and compares very badly to the United States as well.

Statistics complied by a company, Data Monitor, that basically looked at the official numbers that come out of the European Union. Sixty-three percent is essentially kind of the ratio of a woman's salary to a man's salary in Britain. That compares to 82 percent in the European Union, 90 percent, would you believe, in the U.S.

Did you know, you know as a -- as a woman in the United States, you are likely to get paid less than a male but only by, you know, about 10 percent, something like that. But the interesting thing is kind of in the analysis. What they are saying is that that's not because of any inherent discrimination, it's more because of the fact that women tend to be drawn towards caring professions. There's actually a couple of paid studies here.

COSTELLO: Come on!

CAMPION: There's a community nurse here. Now I'm not -- I'm not making any comments about people who work at CNN or anything like that. But what I'm actually saying is that this, for instance this nurse here, is saying that you know OK, she could earn more, but she'd be promoted out of the job that she wanted to do and she'd be promoted out of dealing with people and into dealing with paperwork. Isn't there some theory about people betting promoted into the job that they do least well in their lives? I don't know, maybe that's a sign.

COSTELLO: Well yes, but you could -- you could -- well you could argue this until the sun goes down tonight, so I won't do it. But Tony Campion, many thanks, we appreciate it, live from London.

CAMPION: Absolutely, Carol.

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Aired October 13, 2003 - 05:43   ET
THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.
CAROL COSTELLO, CNN ANCHOR: Time now, though, to check what's making headlines overseas in this morning's 'Euro Edition.' Tony Campion live in London for us.
Good morning -- Tony.

TONY CAMPION, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Good morning to you, Carol.

Thought I might start out, if it suits you, with a look at what is on the front page of the "Daily Mirror" today. I think we'll just show you exactly what you see here. This is Ali gets his arms. It's the story, I mean we have talked about him a lot in this slot. Ali Abbas is, of course, the Iraqi guy whose arms were lost when a U.S. missile killed members of his family. It was during the days about six months ago when the U.S. forces were rolling into Baghdad.

He was flown here to Britain by the Limbless Association, and he has now been given prosthetic limbs. A touching story. I mean he has had one family member, in particular, his Uncle Mohammed has been sort of looking after him and offering him a lot of care and support and stuff. And Mohammed is making the point, he thinks he has been very lucky, but the next stage is going to be very difficult.

And this really is the truth of it, isn't it? I mean you have to just pause and think for a minute what happened. Ali actually describes here what happened when the missile struck. And he says I was asleep. At first I thought it was a dream. Then they cut off my arms. I mean this is the boy talking himself. Everything was blurry when I woke up. I cried when I realized I didn't have my arms.

And now he's having to actually learn to do the simplest things again. He has to learn to eat. He's been put in touch with another man, a British man, age 49, who lost his arms when he was 8 in an entirely unrelated incident. But he wants to sort of hang around with this guy to learn how to use these prosthetic limbs. He's getting a lot of coverage, obviously here in the U.K., because it is such a poignant symbol of, you know, how pointless is war and what can go wrong when there is a conflict like this.

COSTELLO: And not only that, but what a brave little boy. I mean...

CAMPION: Absolutely. I mean they just agreed to the central (ph) (UNINTELLIGIBLE) article.

COSTELLO: ... he seems to be adjusting so well. Yes. I... CAMPION: Absolutely. Yes, and they are describing him as being, you know, a very intelligent, resilient lad. He is learning English day by day, and he keeps a sense of humor. He says he was relieved to hear that this guy, Chris, doesn't have a problem attracting women. You know he says it's going to help him get the ladies.

COSTELLO: It just breaks your heart, though.

I understand there are...

CAMPION: Yes.

COSTELLO: ... some headlines about the Anglican Church as well.

CAMPION: Yes, sure. Now this comes out of "The Times" newspaper, and this is kind of interesting. It's kind of an-Iraqi (ph), too. I don't know if you understand that phrase. But you know basically the Bishop of Durham, Dr. -- former Bishop of Durham, Dr. David Jenkins. He is kind of an influential religious figure in this country for those people who, you know, do essentially (UNINTELLIGIBLE). He's actually a very small minority of people in this country.

But what he is saying is that the Anglican -- the worldwide Anglican community should be dissolved over the issue basically about gay bishops and gay blessings, homosexual bishops and gay blessings. And what he is essentially saying is that the entire way that the Anglican Church the world over is organized needs to be completely rethought. Because he doesn't have faith in the support essentially for the election of the gay divorced father of two (ph), Gene Robinson, you'll know him, the Bishop of New Hampshire, and so on.

And also the issue of same sex blessings in the U.S. (UNINTELLIGIBLE) comes to the fore in this as well. So it's kind of a big one, if you are in that -- it has to be said now, small minority of people who does follow closely the workings of the Anglican Church.

COSTELLO: Got it. Got it. Men and women being paid in Europe on the job the same.

CAMPION: Yes, now this is a real interesting one, actually in yesterday's "Observer" newspaper. Of course we didn't get a chance to talk to you yesterday. Big, big differences in the amounts that men and women get paid. And now I'm embarrassed by this, Britain actually comes out worst and compares very badly to the United States as well.

Statistics complied by a company, Data Monitor, that basically looked at the official numbers that come out of the European Union. Sixty-three percent is essentially kind of the ratio of a woman's salary to a man's salary in Britain. That compares to 82 percent in the European Union, 90 percent, would you believe, in the U.S.

Did you know, you know as a -- as a woman in the United States, you are likely to get paid less than a male but only by, you know, about 10 percent, something like that. But the interesting thing is kind of in the analysis. What they are saying is that that's not because of any inherent discrimination, it's more because of the fact that women tend to be drawn towards caring professions. There's actually a couple of paid studies here.

COSTELLO: Come on!

CAMPION: There's a community nurse here. Now I'm not -- I'm not making any comments about people who work at CNN or anything like that. But what I'm actually saying is that this, for instance this nurse here, is saying that you know OK, she could earn more, but she'd be promoted out of the job that she wanted to do and she'd be promoted out of dealing with people and into dealing with paperwork. Isn't there some theory about people betting promoted into the job that they do least well in their lives? I don't know, maybe that's a sign.

COSTELLO: Well yes, but you could -- you could -- well you could argue this until the sun goes down tonight, so I won't do it. But Tony Campion, many thanks, we appreciate it, live from London.

CAMPION: Absolutely, Carol.

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