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Euro Edition: Morning Papers

Aired November 05, 2003 - 05:44   ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.

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CAROL COSTELLO, CNN ANCHOR: Time now, though, to check on what's making headlines overseas in this morning's 'Euro Edition.' Let's head live to London and Tony Campion.
Good morning -- Tony.

TONY CAMPION, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Hello again, Carol.

Yes, we start with one this morning -- you might be surprised to see this on the front pages. I don't know. It'll be interesting to hear your opinion on this. It's a horrible story at the human interest level, a 14-year-old has been stabbed to death in his school. And you can see that this has made the front pages on all of the British tabloids. This one was "The Sun."

This is the "Daily Mirror," knifed to death, this 14-year-old called Luke Walmsley, who lives in a rural area of northern England called Lincolnshire, in a village called North Somercotes, and a pupil has stabbed him. This is the "Daily Mail," a boy of 14 stabbed to death at school.

The question I'm wondering is would this be happening in the United States? I mean here in Britain this is sufficiently uncommon, but it makes every national newspaper practically on the front page.

COSTELLO: Yes.

CAMPION: It's even raising a debate, you know, should we be going along the kind of lines with -- you know this has already happened in the United States where you have security guards, in some schools you have metal detectors. The guy was stabbed because two pupils had a row. One had a flick knife. It's not really clear whether or not it was intended that he should die, it probably not, just a kid showing off with a knife in front of buddies. But I mean you know can you say just someone showing off with a knife, is that fair?

COSTELLO: Yes.

CAMPION: We're sort of a couple of decades behind you, I think, in the debate on this one. And certainly people are talking a lot about security guards in school. And we're still at the shock stage here of you know two 14-year-old -- one 14-year-old, one 15-year-old has a row, one ends up dead.

COSTELLO: Yes, you know, Tony,...

CAMPION: You know it doesn't seem...

COSTELLO: You know, Tony, that...

CAMPION: It doesn't seem...

COSTELLO: ... if that happened here in the United States, it would shock absolutely no one. So that it shocks people in Britain is a good thing.

CAMPION: Is that right?

COSTELLO: Yes.

CAMPION: That's an indicator of the difference, I guess, between the culture there and the culture here, isn't it? I'm sorry to hear you say that things are so hard on that side of the Atlantic. Anyway, front pages here, and this is going to be a big story. And I tell you, you're going to be hearing probably some more about it.

Should we move on? You mentioned a couple of minutes ago, Gucci, a very different story.

COSTELLO: Yes.

CAMPION: Dom and -- Dom and Tom have gone. Gucci designer and chief walk out. We talked about it a bit in the business section yesterday, and today, all the papers are discussing what happens now. What happens to the great names like Stella McCartney and so on, you know Alexander McQueen, are they going to end up leaving Gucci? Will those brands no longer be part of the empire?

What's happened is that these two guys, Alexander -- not Alex -- Tom Ford and Domenico De Sole, they couldn't renew their contracts because of the fact that essentially PPR, which owns Gucci, is going to be -- it seems extremely likely by the end of April will own the whole of the company. They have options to kind of pick up the remaining shares they don't own yet. And they couldn't agree terms because they didn't want these two to have the freedom that they have had in the past 10 years. Of course these two have brought the company from being...

COSTELLO: Yes.

CAMPION: ... near bankrupt a few years ago, to yes, well what is it, the best world -- most well known name in the United States. You'd have to tell me about that, but certainly it's got to be one of the biggest fashion names, doesn't it?

COSTELLO: Well, yes, because they have made Gucci young and sexy and hip again and now they are leaving.

CAMPION: Absolutely. Yes, that's it. And the question is you know how many people are going to be following them? The company PPR is going around saying we know, we've been talking to the designers, the managers and you know we're confident that everyone is going to stay with us, all the rest of the team. But despite the fact they are going to have to replace these two, the big question is you know who else is going to go out the door with them? What happens now? Guess watch this space.

COSTELLO: Yes, we'll see. Hey, it's Guy Fawkes Day.

CAMPION: Now here is -- here is...

COSTELLO: What is that?

CAMPION: Yes, Guy Fawkes Day. I was going to tell you about this. Now Guy Fawkes Day, everybody in Britain knows what Guy Fawkes Day is. And in the year 1605, when of course you know your ancestors, if you've got English blood in you, Carol, they were still in this country, too, quite likely. 1605, Guy Fawkes tried to blow up the Houses of Parliament, the Gunpowder Plot. Kids study it in school.

And a funny looking guy in a big tall hat, gunpowder explosives. He got together -- let's have a look here -- two hogs heads and 32 small barrels of gunpowder, all of which he cunningly covered with great store of billets and faggots. Billets and faggots in 17th century English that meant a pile of firewood and sticks...

COSTELLO: What are those -- what are those things, Tony, billets and faggots, I mean?

CAMPION: Yes, that's firewood. Yes, billets and faggots in 17th century English was firewood and bits of old sticks and a load of metal and just kind of junk that would be in the cellars of the Houses of Commons, apparently. I don't know what he was doing there.

COSTELLO: OK, thanks for explaining. Go ahead.

CAMPION: But anyway, you know huge amounts of gunpowder. I mean the story goes that you know he didn't succeed to blow up the Houses of Parliament, and he was hung, drawn and quartered.

But some scientists have -- I don't know if I can show you this picture well enough. What I'm showing you here is a representation of the Houses of Parliament as they would look if Guy Fawkes had succeeded. They have tabulated how big the bomb blast would have been and how they would have blown it up. And you know they are saying Westminster Abbey, built in 1045, or the building they started in 1045, that would have been flattened. Huge chunks of the historical landmarks in Whitehall where a lot of the...

COSTELLO: Yes, but, Tony,...

CAMPION: ... British Parliament...

COSTELLO: Tony,...

CAMPION: ... I mean process takes place.

COSTELLO: ... why do Britains celebrate this guy who tried to blow up Parliament? CAMPION: Because it's a really good -- well, I don't know. There's this interesting -- it tells you something about the British mindset, I think, there and how we react to authority generally. But it's also a good excuse for a party. We have a huge big fire. We get an effigy of this guy, a dummy. We stick it on the top of the burn fire and we burn it.

COSTELLO: OK that was an explanation. It's always time to party for something.

Tony Campion reporting live for us from London this morning.

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Aired November 5, 2003 - 05:44   ET
THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.
CAROL COSTELLO, CNN ANCHOR: Time now, though, to check on what's making headlines overseas in this morning's 'Euro Edition.' Let's head live to London and Tony Campion.
Good morning -- Tony.

TONY CAMPION, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Hello again, Carol.

Yes, we start with one this morning -- you might be surprised to see this on the front pages. I don't know. It'll be interesting to hear your opinion on this. It's a horrible story at the human interest level, a 14-year-old has been stabbed to death in his school. And you can see that this has made the front pages on all of the British tabloids. This one was "The Sun."

This is the "Daily Mirror," knifed to death, this 14-year-old called Luke Walmsley, who lives in a rural area of northern England called Lincolnshire, in a village called North Somercotes, and a pupil has stabbed him. This is the "Daily Mail," a boy of 14 stabbed to death at school.

The question I'm wondering is would this be happening in the United States? I mean here in Britain this is sufficiently uncommon, but it makes every national newspaper practically on the front page.

COSTELLO: Yes.

CAMPION: It's even raising a debate, you know, should we be going along the kind of lines with -- you know this has already happened in the United States where you have security guards, in some schools you have metal detectors. The guy was stabbed because two pupils had a row. One had a flick knife. It's not really clear whether or not it was intended that he should die, it probably not, just a kid showing off with a knife in front of buddies. But I mean you know can you say just someone showing off with a knife, is that fair?

COSTELLO: Yes.

CAMPION: We're sort of a couple of decades behind you, I think, in the debate on this one. And certainly people are talking a lot about security guards in school. And we're still at the shock stage here of you know two 14-year-old -- one 14-year-old, one 15-year-old has a row, one ends up dead.

COSTELLO: Yes, you know, Tony,...

CAMPION: You know it doesn't seem...

COSTELLO: You know, Tony, that...

CAMPION: It doesn't seem...

COSTELLO: ... if that happened here in the United States, it would shock absolutely no one. So that it shocks people in Britain is a good thing.

CAMPION: Is that right?

COSTELLO: Yes.

CAMPION: That's an indicator of the difference, I guess, between the culture there and the culture here, isn't it? I'm sorry to hear you say that things are so hard on that side of the Atlantic. Anyway, front pages here, and this is going to be a big story. And I tell you, you're going to be hearing probably some more about it.

Should we move on? You mentioned a couple of minutes ago, Gucci, a very different story.

COSTELLO: Yes.

CAMPION: Dom and -- Dom and Tom have gone. Gucci designer and chief walk out. We talked about it a bit in the business section yesterday, and today, all the papers are discussing what happens now. What happens to the great names like Stella McCartney and so on, you know Alexander McQueen, are they going to end up leaving Gucci? Will those brands no longer be part of the empire?

What's happened is that these two guys, Alexander -- not Alex -- Tom Ford and Domenico De Sole, they couldn't renew their contracts because of the fact that essentially PPR, which owns Gucci, is going to be -- it seems extremely likely by the end of April will own the whole of the company. They have options to kind of pick up the remaining shares they don't own yet. And they couldn't agree terms because they didn't want these two to have the freedom that they have had in the past 10 years. Of course these two have brought the company from being...

COSTELLO: Yes.

CAMPION: ... near bankrupt a few years ago, to yes, well what is it, the best world -- most well known name in the United States. You'd have to tell me about that, but certainly it's got to be one of the biggest fashion names, doesn't it?

COSTELLO: Well, yes, because they have made Gucci young and sexy and hip again and now they are leaving.

CAMPION: Absolutely. Yes, that's it. And the question is you know how many people are going to be following them? The company PPR is going around saying we know, we've been talking to the designers, the managers and you know we're confident that everyone is going to stay with us, all the rest of the team. But despite the fact they are going to have to replace these two, the big question is you know who else is going to go out the door with them? What happens now? Guess watch this space.

COSTELLO: Yes, we'll see. Hey, it's Guy Fawkes Day.

CAMPION: Now here is -- here is...

COSTELLO: What is that?

CAMPION: Yes, Guy Fawkes Day. I was going to tell you about this. Now Guy Fawkes Day, everybody in Britain knows what Guy Fawkes Day is. And in the year 1605, when of course you know your ancestors, if you've got English blood in you, Carol, they were still in this country, too, quite likely. 1605, Guy Fawkes tried to blow up the Houses of Parliament, the Gunpowder Plot. Kids study it in school.

And a funny looking guy in a big tall hat, gunpowder explosives. He got together -- let's have a look here -- two hogs heads and 32 small barrels of gunpowder, all of which he cunningly covered with great store of billets and faggots. Billets and faggots in 17th century English that meant a pile of firewood and sticks...

COSTELLO: What are those -- what are those things, Tony, billets and faggots, I mean?

CAMPION: Yes, that's firewood. Yes, billets and faggots in 17th century English was firewood and bits of old sticks and a load of metal and just kind of junk that would be in the cellars of the Houses of Commons, apparently. I don't know what he was doing there.

COSTELLO: OK, thanks for explaining. Go ahead.

CAMPION: But anyway, you know huge amounts of gunpowder. I mean the story goes that you know he didn't succeed to blow up the Houses of Parliament, and he was hung, drawn and quartered.

But some scientists have -- I don't know if I can show you this picture well enough. What I'm showing you here is a representation of the Houses of Parliament as they would look if Guy Fawkes had succeeded. They have tabulated how big the bomb blast would have been and how they would have blown it up. And you know they are saying Westminster Abbey, built in 1045, or the building they started in 1045, that would have been flattened. Huge chunks of the historical landmarks in Whitehall where a lot of the...

COSTELLO: Yes, but, Tony,...

CAMPION: ... British Parliament...

COSTELLO: Tony,...

CAMPION: ... I mean process takes place.

COSTELLO: ... why do Britains celebrate this guy who tried to blow up Parliament? CAMPION: Because it's a really good -- well, I don't know. There's this interesting -- it tells you something about the British mindset, I think, there and how we react to authority generally. But it's also a good excuse for a party. We have a huge big fire. We get an effigy of this guy, a dummy. We stick it on the top of the burn fire and we burn it.

COSTELLO: OK that was an explanation. It's always time to party for something.

Tony Campion reporting live for us from London this morning.

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