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Iraqi Safe Zone Under Fire; Bremer Comes to Washington; Art Carney Dies
Aired November 11, 2003 - 17:00 ET
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WOLF BLITZER, HOST: Happening now fears in Iraq, the so-called Green Zone are the safest place supposedly to be under fire once again. We're live in Baghdad.
Also happening right now sudden flight why the chief U.S. administrator in Iraq, Paul Bremer, has dropped everything to come to Washington.
And word just coming out right now a legend from the old comedy series "The Honeymooners," Art Carney has died.
Stand by for hard news on WOLF BLITZER REPORTS.
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BLITZER (voice-over): Veterans Day, vows.
GEORGE W. BUSH, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: We will finish the mission we have begun period.
BLITZER: And violence, who's behind the attacks in Iraq?
Saudi slaughter, did the bombers hit the wrong target?
Millionaire's murder trial, the verdict is in and it's a shocker.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I changed my mind a dozen times.
BLITZER: And after 25 years we'll get a few minutes with Andy Rooney.
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ANNOUNCER: This is WOLF BLITZER REPORTS for Tuesday, November 11, 2003.
BLITZER: We begin with a developing story right here in Washington, D.C. The chief U.S. administrator in Iraq has suddenly returned for high level consultations over at the White House this amid reports Paul Bremer is frustrated with the U.S.-appointed Iraqi Governing Council.
There is also apparently some fear the overall security situation in and around Baghdad may be a lot worse than earlier thought. Explosions tonight once again rocked a heavily guarded area right in the heart of Baghdad.
We turn right away to CNN's Matthew Chance. He's live in Baghdad for the very latest -- Matthew.
MATTHEW CHANCE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Thanks, Wolf.
We heard at least ten explosions come from the area of the CPA, the coalition headquarters, what they call the Green Zone, a tightly guarded, highly secure supposedly area on the west banks of the Tigris River in the center of the Iraqi capital Baghdad.
We understand from coalition officials inside there were no injuries as a result of these projectiles being fired into the compound but we're also told that the coalition staff were forced to go to the basements to seek shelter from the barrage of mortars or rockets as they came in.
No significant damage to that but those insurgents who fired the rockets or the mortars demonstrating once again just how competent and able they are to strike at the heart of the coalition authority here in Baghdad.
That's something, of course, that's not lost on the many thousands of U.S. soldiers celebrating, commemorating Veterans Day today and stationed here in Iraq.
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CHANCE (voice-over): The aftermath of the latest Iraqi bombing this time in the southern city of Basra it may have been meant for the British soldiers who patrol here, a Veterans Day message for the coalition.
STAFF SGT. MARK COULTER, U.S. ARMY: By your service you have made our nation safer.
CHANCE: But for the 130,000 U.S. troops in Iraq this day has already earned special meaning. All are now veterans themselves and as they remember comrades who've died they face more difficulties ahead. Staff Sergeant Mark Coulter spoke at a Baghdad Veterans Day ceremony.
COULTER: I know sometimes it's hard. Sometimes it's difficult and there's probably not a person in this room that's like, you know what, I'm just sick and tired of this but remember we are all a part of something that's larger than ourselves and maybe in the future someone else will stand up and tell the story about what you're doing now.
CHANCE: November has already proved the bloodiest month for U.S. forces since the fall of Baghdad. The downing of a Chinook helicopter near Fallujah left 16 dead. Six more died when their Black Hawk was shot down near Tikrit. Exactly who's behind the now daily attacks continues to frustration coalition commanders.
LT. GEN. RICARDO SANCHEZ, U.S. ARMY: The total number of detainees that we have in our detention facilities is over 5,000. At one point we had up to about 20 suspected al Qaeda members but as we have continued to refine and interrogate we have not been able to establish definitively that they were al Qaeda members.
CHANCE: It seems that in this insurgency the foreign fighters of al Qaeda remain outnumbered by Iraqis bitter these U.S. and coalition forces are still here.
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CHANCE: Well, the coalition officials say that there are hundreds of what they call foreign fighters many of them from al Qaeda that have infiltrated Iraq and are using this country to fight U.S. interests here but the majority of these insurgents opposing the U.S.- led occupation of this country appear to be Iraqis themselves, remnants of the Saddam regime attempting to restate some of their power.
BLITZER: Matthew Chance reporting from Baghdad. Matthew, thank you very much.
From Iraq to Afghanistan right here to the homeland the nation, still very much at war, paused to honor its veterans today. President Bush paid tribute to their service and sacrifice over at Arlington National Cemetery. In towns and cities around the country there were parades and ceremonies. Many gathered at the Vietnam Veterans Memorial, the Wall, right here in Washington.
Amid all of this critics are already comparing the ongoing struggle in Iraq to the long war in Vietnam but President Bush took that bull by the horns today with a spirited defense of his policies.
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BUSH: We come to this Veterans Day in a time of war.
BLITZER (voice-over): It's also a time of intense debate in the United States and the president showed absolutely no signs of retreat. Before a friendly audience at the conservative Heritage Foundation in Washington he issued a determined vow to win in Iraq no matter the cost in casualties and dollars.
BUSH: We will finish the mission we have begun period.
BLITZER: Even as he spoke, more explosions rocked Baghdad but the president said the consequences of failure in Iraq and Afghanistan are simply too great warning the U.S. can either fight terrorists there or wind up fighting them on U.S. soil.
BUSH: The failure of democracy in those two countries would convince terrorists that America backs down under attack and more attacks on America would surely follow.
BLITZER: In making the case, the president claimed foreign terrorists have come to Iraq with the goal of installing a Taliban- like regime in Baghdad. They've aligned themselves, he said, with Saddam loyalists and others already in Iraq from al Qaeda and its Ansar al-Islam partners.
BUSH: Saddam loyalists and foreign terrorists may have different long term goals but they share a near term strategy to terrorize Iraqis and to intimidate America and our allies.
BLITZER: The president insisted the U.S. was winning the war, noting that most of the attacks in Iraq have been limited to the so- called Sunni Triangle, a 200 square mile area around Baghdad.
Missing from the president's speech any direct references to Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden both of whom remain at large and Iraq's weapons of mass destruction which have yet to be found.
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BLITZER: More news now coming out of Iraq. Iraqis who have been trained to provide security for their country now outnumber all other members of the coalition, including Americans.
General Richard Myers, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, tells CNN there are now 131,000 Iraqis under arms while the United States has 118,000 troops in Iraq. Myers says the Iraqis are conducting patrols, doing police work and guarding their borders.
In Afghanistan, meanwhile, a United Nations building was damaged today when a car bomb blew up in the provincial capital Kandahar. At least one injury was reported. There have been no claims of responsibility. Kandahar is a former stronghold of the Taliban militia.
The passing of a legend from TV's golden era, actor Art Carney best know for his portrayal of Ed Norton on "The Honeymooners," more on his life and career that's coming up.
Plus this, was it the work of al Qaeda after all? New evidence the terror group is responsible for that deadly blast in Saudi Arabia. I'll talk about that with the adviser to the Saudi Crown Prince.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The verdict of the jury is such. We, the jury, find the defendant Robert Durst not guilty.
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BLITZER: Shock, real shock in a Texas courtroom, a surprising verdict in the case of the eccentric millionaire Robert Durst. We'll hear from some of the jurors.
And on this Veterans Day, I'll talk with one of the great war correspondents and legendary journalist Andy Rooney of "60 Minutes," first though today's News Quiz.
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BLITZER (voice-over): What was Andy Rooney's first job on CBS's "60 Minutes," production assistant, writer, producer, commentator, the answer coming up?
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Sometimes I forget I'm a judge and that night I shouldn't have.
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BLITZER: Poor judgment by someone who rules from the bench. You won't believe what this Louisiana judge dressed for when it came to Halloween. We'll tell you. Stay with us.
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BLITZER: Sad news to report right now, news that broke on in the minutes before this newscast. CNN has confirmed that Oscar and Emmy winning actor Art Carney has died. He's, of course, best remembered as the sewer worker Ed Norton, Jackie Gleason's sidekick on "The Honeymooners." That role won him three consecutive Emmys. He also won an Oscar in 1974 for the film "Harry and Tonto." Art Carney was 85 years old.
Now to the latest news in Saudi Arabia, government spokesmen said today authorities are questioning a number of people who may be tied to the bombing of a Riyadh neighborhood.
The Saudi interior minister now says there have been no arrests but the government is blaming al Qaeda for Saturday's attack which killed 17 people and wounded 122 others.
And sources telling CNN right now one of the suspects has told investigators al Qaeda believed it was targeting a neighborhood housing Americans. Most of the victims were Arabs.
Let's get the view of an insider right now. Adel Al-Jubeir is the Foreign Policy Adviser to Saudi Crown Prince Abdullah. He serves as a spokesman for the Saudi government. He spoke with me earlier via videophone from Riyadh.
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BLITZER (voice-over): Adel Al-Jubeir thanks very much for joining us. Our condolences to you, to all the Saudis and others who were killed in this latest terror attack but what can you tell us about information you have that another terror strike might be on the way?
ADEL AL-JUBEIR, SAUDI FOREIGN POLICY ADVISER (via videophone): We can never discount the possibility. We know that there are a number of cells that still remain in Saudi Arabia. We intend to uncover them and destroy them. We have been on a heightened state of alert, especially since the May 12 bombings in Riyadh, and we have been on heightened state of alert since the beginning of Ramadan because we were picking up intelligence that attacks might be planned.
BLITZER: If you anticipated that this was in the works why couldn't you have prevented it?
AL-JUBEIR: Well, Wolf, we knew that we -- our intelligence indicated that there were attacks being planned. We knew that one that it had gone from planning to operations. We did not know what the target was and when I say we I mean both we and the United States.
We had broken up an al Qaeda cell in Mecca and we have also damaged or broken up an al Qaeda cell in Riyadh this week, this past Thursday so we are looking for them and we're destroying them wherever we can find them.
BLITZER: Are you 100 percent certain this was the work of al Qaeda?
AL-JUBEIR: I personally am, yes. It has all the hallmarks of al Qaeda being the methods that were used were the same. They're the only ones who have a motive and they're the only ones who have set up cells in Saudi Arabia to harm innocent people.
BLITZER: There is some suggestion that al Qaeda may have thought that the target they attacked included Americans as opposed to Arabs. Is that the information you're getting from the suspects you rounded up?
AL-JUBEIR: That may well be the case but al Qaeda is not targeting exclusively Americans. Al Qaeda is targeting everyone because it's a demonic oath that is pure evil. We know that Saudi Arabia and the United States are the two main targets of al Qaeda.
We know that they had set up a weapons making factory in Mecca. We know that they have booby-trapped Qurans. I doubt that they intended to give those Qurans to Americans so obviously they were targeting fellow Muslims as well as fellow Arabs and fellow Saudis.
BLITZER: As you know, Adel Al-Jubeir, there are many critics of Saudi Arabia who say you, your government, have only yourselves to blame for this for coddling al Qaeda over these years. What do you say to those critics in the House, the Senate, and elsewhere here in the United States?
AL-JUBEIR: Well, first of all I'm disappointed that they would say this. I believe these are callous remarks that have no place in the difficult times that we all -- the world is going through.
I also believe that those remarks emanate from ignorance and lack of information. If people had known what Saudi Arabia has been doing over the past ten years in trying to go after bin Laden they would not be saying this. It is also unfortunate, Wolf, that the very people who express these views and who are most critical and hostile of Saudi Arabia are inadvertently doing bin Laden's bidding. His objective is to drive a wedge between the U.S. and Saudi Arabia and these critics are playing right into his hands.
BLITZER: Is Saudi Arabia cutting back dramatically on the funding of these so-called madrassas, these schools, where so many of these fundamentalists apparently have emerged?
AL-JUBEIR: Well, Wolf, the fact that you ask this question is also an indication of the perception versus the reality. The perception is that Saudi Arabia was funding these schools. The reality is we're not.
Seventy percent of these schools which exist mainly in Pakistan are Sunni or Shiite. For us to be funding them would be like the Catholic Church funding Southern Baptist schools. It didn't happen.
We have also cut off all funding from Saudi charities to anything outside of Saudi Arabia. We have worked closely with the Pakistani government to determine if there were any private Saudi monies that are going to those schools so we can shut it off.
So, in answer to your question absolutely we are doing everything we can to shut off the flow of funding to either terrorists or those that support them or those that condone their actions. We have no choice but to do so.
BLITZER: Adel Al-Jubeir, once again our deepest condolences to you. Thanks very much for joining us.
AL-JUBEIR: You are very welcome and thank you for your thoughtfulness, Wolf.
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BLITZER: The ultimate twist, jurors stun a Texas courtroom with their surprise verdict in the case against New York millionaire Robert Durst.
A road map to peace and the state of relations between Israelis and Palestinians, I'll talk live with the former Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, and this...
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The individuals in a shelter whether they are combat veterans or not combat veterans have given a portion of their life to our country.
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BLITZER: Veterans in need they risked their lives to protect the United States. Now their own lives are at risk right here at home. We'll tell you what's going on. Stay with us. (COMMERCIAL BREAK)
BLITZER: He admits firing the fatal shot and dismembering the victim but jurors say that's irrelevant and today they returned a surprising verdict in the murder case against the heir to a real estate fortune.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The verdict of the jury is such. We, the jury, find the defendant Robert Durst not guilty.
BLITZER (voice-over): A New York millionaire acquitted or murder in Texas. Even Robert Durst himself seemed stunned. It's the latest chapter in the bizarre saga of this eccentric 60-year-old real estate heir.
His first wife disappeared in 1982 and when the case reopened in 2000, Durst moved to Texas to avoid scrutiny. Arriving in Galveston, he got a low rent apartment, disguised himself at times as a woman, and his attorneys say lived in a drug-induced haze.
Durst became friends with 71-year-old neighbor Morris Black and he admits he shot and killed Black in September, 2001 but Durst says it happened accidentally while the two men struggled over a gun after Durst found Black in his apartment illegally. Durst dismembered Black's body dumping the pieces in Galveston Bay. His lawyers concede it was a challenging case.
DICK DEGUERIN, ATTY. FOR ROBERT DURST: We all know that the worst part about this case was what Bob did after Morris Black was dead. He dismembered and discarded the body and fled, not once but twice.
BLITZER: Jurors gave several reasons for their verdict.
CHRIS LOVELL, DURST JUROR: From the very beginning of this trial the defense told us a story and they stuck to their guns all the way through.
JOANNE GORGORA, DURST JUROR: Based on the evidence that was presented to us there was reasonable doubt.
DEBORAH WARREN, DURST JUROR: We did the best with what we had and whether it agreed to you all or to anyone else out there in America this is what we came up with.
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BLITZER: Durst still faces charges of skipping bail. If convicted of that the sentence could range from two to ten years.
A costume party at this Louisiana restaurant has a state district judge in the spotlight. He wore a prison jumpsuit and shackles along with black face and an Afro wig. He says he didn't mean to offend anyone. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
JUDGE TIMOTHY ELLENDER, LOUISIANA DISTRICT COURT: My costume wasn't getting any laughs and everybody knew who I was so somebody at the party said, hey, somebody else was dressed as Buckwheat so someone suggested I put some of this paint on my face and I did.
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BLITZER: The local NAACP branch is considering filing a formal complaint with the State Judiciary Commission.
Cutting the cord on your home telephone, find out how a new ruling could let you go wireless without the hassle of getting a new number.
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ANDY ROONEY: I am not really a conservative or a liberal but he's a little too conservative for me.
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BLITZER: Veteran journalist Andy Rooney on what he really thinks about President Bush and more. I'll talk with the "60 Minutes" correspondent. That's coming up ahead.
And the Prince Charles sex scandal rocking Britain why the story now may be too racy even for the famed British tabloids. Stay with us.
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BLITZER: Fighting terror, I'll talk live with Israeli Finance Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.
And cell phone swap, changes that could save you a ton of money on your upcoming bills.
We're back in less than 90 seconds.
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BLITZER: Welcome back to CNN.
Coming up this half hour a consumer report that could save you lots of money on your upcoming phone bills; first though, a quick check of the latest headlines.
The Bush administration is looking at steps to defend commercial airliners from shoulder-fired missiles. The Department of Homeland Security says it plans to award preliminary contracts to one or more companies to adopt existing anti-missile systems for commercial planes. Officials say it could be years before any system is implemented. Nine Wal-Mart workers recently arrested in federal raids have filed a racketeering lawsuit against the world's largest retailer. The workers accuse Wal-Mart of conspiring with contractors in a criminal venture that violated civil rights and wage protections of immigrants who cleaned Wal-Mart stores. The suit seeks unspecified monetary damages and an injunction barring Wal-Mart from further violations.
More now on our top story, with the violence in Iraq, the continued al Qaeda threat and the stalemate involving the Israelis and the Palestinians the Middle East, of course remains as volatile as ever.
As a leading figure in the region my next guest has been an eyewitness to all of this. Benjamin Netanyahu is currently Israel's finance minister. He's the former prime minister of Israel. He's joining us now live from New York. Minister Netanyahu thanks very much for joining us.
I want to get to the sensitive issue of Israel's Cabinet's decision to go and release 400 Palestinian, Lebanese prisoners in exchange for one Israeli businessman who's held by Hezbollah in Lebanon and three bodies of Israeli soldiers. A lot of concern that this is simply inviting more terrorism.
BENJAMIN NETANYAHU, ISRAELI FINANCE MINISTER: Well, it could, except that we made sure that the price would be circumscribed by saying that we would not release any killers, any terrorists. That is, people who murdered civilians. So that's not part of the bargain and Hezbollah will have to consider that.
They predicated this deal on, among other things, the release of a terrorist who had murdered a family, two children and a father. And, obviously, that's not going to happen. So it's up to them now.
We will go a very long distance to release our citizens and retrieve our MIAs. But we will not cross this red line. And it's now up to them to make that decision.
BLITZER: In the past, some prisoners you've released have, in fact, come back to kill other Israelis. You're aware of that?
NETANYAHU: Exactly. And that's why releasing known killers is a big mistake. And of course, we are not doing that.
I think that countries are tested by the amount of effort that they're willing to put to safeguard their citizens. We have people, soldiers who go out in battle. They have to know that we'll do our utmost to get them back. Israeli citizens around the world should know that their government stands by them. But we will not -- I repeat will not -- release terrorists, people who murdered civilians. We simply will not do that.
BLITZER: The Palestinian authority is expected to form a new government as early as tomorrow. Ahmed Qorei becoming the new prime minister. Is he someone that your government can work with? NETANYAHU: Well, I think the question is, is that regime going to change under Arafat? And Arafat is still the No. 1 guy. Recently, I think "60 Minutes" showed a report in which Arafat has been siphoning off hundreds of millions. I think, by the way, that's an understatement. Hundreds of millions of dollars to his own private accounts while he's complaining to the world about the suffering, the economic suffering of the Palestinians.
So I think that as long as you have this corrupt terrorist regime, you're not going to get very far. But there is a way, I think, to approach this somewhat differently.
I mean, the model that is being pursued around the world is this: First, you have some peace agreement. Then you have security. Then you have prosperity. I think we should reverse the order. I think we can should -- we can actually do a number of things that we're doing in Israel and we plan to suggest for the region -- to increase prosperity and security and then over time, as the Palestinians and others have a stake in a real future -- a real present and a real future -- I think things might fall in place in terms of the political settlement that we all seek to arrive.
BLITZER: That was -- that was clearly attempted throughout the '90s in the aftermath of the Oslo Accords to try to work together to establish some sort of prosperity. It didn't go very far.
NETANYAHU: No, I think it actually was the other way. Oslo was exactly the kind of overall agreement, you know, celebrated on the White House lawns, Nobel Peace Prizes. And from there would flow the realistic things of security and economic prosperity.
And in fact, Oslo was the wrong agreement. And I don't think that you're going to count on agreements. They're not ready yet, the Palestinians to abandon the goal of liquidating Israel. They're obviously not willing to abandon the goal of using terrorism for that purpose.
So until you have a maturation of Palestinian politics, you have to have a change on the ground. And I think we can do things to increase prosperity and security. That would probably create a new generation...
BLITZER: A lot of...
NETANYAHU: ...of Palestinian leadership.
BLITZER: Mr. Minister, a lot of Palestinians and U.S. officials say the Israelis should pull out of most of the West Bank and Gaza.
But begin with Gaza. You have -- what? -- about 1,000 Israeli settlers who live there, surrounded by a security fence, protected by Israeli soldiers in the midst of -- what? -- 1.3 million Palestinians. Why not get them out of Gaza?
NETANYAHU: Well, why not pull out of Israel altogether? I mean, Israel is surrounded by a lot of Arabs. And that logic, you can never have any place where you have Arab and Jewish populations touching one another because you would say, The Jews have to leave. And again, we would have to leave the Middle East, which is what al Qaeda and Hamas and Fatah (ph) want.
I think a better idea is to establish security, which can be done. We have the means to do so. Every where we've built up a defensive barrier in the firm of a fence that separates the Palestinian population from the Jewish population doesn't remove them. It doesn't transfer one side or the other. It just creates a physical barrier that human bombs, suicide bombers cannot cross. We've had almost 100 percent success. And I maintain that if you can stop terror, then you introduce stability into a political process.
Otherwise, you can start as many political processes as you would like. But you are at the behest of a single, individual suicide bomber who crosses the line, blows up a bus, blows up a restaurant, blows up a hotel. And you're back to square one and worse.
I think we have to establish the security barrier. And I think there are very exciting economic project that Israel is considering -- I'm going to talk about a few of them in Washington in the Senate tomorrow -- that could better the lives the Palestinians and Israelis alike.
BLITZER: Mr. Minister, always good to speak with you. We'll probably see you in Washington tomorrow. Thanks very much for joining us.
NETANYAHU: Thank you.
BLITZER: Now we go live back to Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, where our senior international correspondent Nic Robertson is standing by. He's got some new details on what happened that weekend deadly blast.
Nic, tell us what you have.
NIC ROBERTSON, CNN SR. INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, Wolf, what we're being told -- we've heard from Saudi authorities that they believe that the terrorists made a mistake in targeting the this compound, expecting to find Americans there, not Arabs. What we've been learning -- we've been asking questions. What we've been learning is the reason Saudi authorities think that they're being -- that al Qaeda is making a mistake is because recently, they say, they've detained a number of top-level al Qaeda operatives.
That's left a second-level in there who have taken bad judgments, used bad intelligence, who have sort of got this, "Use it or lose it" philosophy to their operations. And that's why the Saudis are saying that they they've got al Qaeda here beginning to be on the backfoot, that they're not dealing now with the upper echelon; they're dealing with less well-trained, younger people, perhaps with less experience. And that's why at this time they think al Qaeda made the mistake -- the type of mistake that they made at the weekend -- Wolf.
BLITZER: CNN's Nic Robertson reporting from Baghdad. We'll be checking back you with. Nic, thanks very much for that report. Excuse me. I meant Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. I'm used to saying Nic Robertson in Baghdad. Nic is in Riyadh for us via videophone.
Let's move on now.
For some U.S. veterans, coming home from war, of course, is a misnomer. For one reason or another, many find themselves with no home at all.
One group in Boston is trying to help as many as possible.
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BILL BENNETT, HOMELESS VETERAN: And then if it's not -- if it's not checkmarked, you have to check it to activate it.
BLITZER (voice-over): Bill Bennett is a Vietnam veteran helping other veterans learn computer basics.
BENNETT: (UNINTELLIGIBLE) C-drive.
BLITZER: He's also homeless. He hit bottom a year ago last summer. He was living in his car on a New Hampshire beach.
BENNETT: At the time, I was drinking. So it was pretty much go down to the beach and, you know, have a drink, and smoke, drink, watch the ocean, swim. Basically doing -- basically that was about all that was going on from day to day.
BLITZER: Now, he's staying and working at this Boston shelter, saving up for his own place.
BENNETT: OK. You go right here.
I'm back -- changed careers, which I want to do. I'm instructing, and I enjoy doing it.
BLITZER: The New England Shelter for Homeless Veterans is giving hope to hundreds of people like Bennett, providing food, shelter and job training.
Veterans make up nearly a fourth of all homeless in America. Substance abuse, poverty and social isolation are the leading causes.
Veterans Affairs Secretary Anthony Principi says another reason may be the horrors of war.
ANTHONY PRINCIPI, SEC. OF VETERANS AFFAIRS: The trauma of the battlefield. People come back, whether it be a year after they come back, or maybe five or 10 years. And it may lead to substance abuse. It may lead to joblessness and then on to poverty and, then ultimately, to homelessness.
BLITZER: With more women serving in the military, the problem is growing in their ranks as well.
MARQUETTE BAINES-CALK, HOMELESS VETERAN: My homelessness was caused by my drug and alcohol program -- I mean, problem, which ended up with me being divorced and having to leave the family home. And then, that's when my alcoholism and drug addiction got totally out of control.
DR. ROBERT HOSENHECK, YALE UNIVERSITY: It turns out that female veterans are also about three to four more times likely to become homeless than female Americans who are not veterans.
BLITZER: The shelter is funded by private donations, but also gets federal help.
PRINCIPI: The fact that someone is a veteran, they are homeless today -- well, we want to help that person out. That's the responsibility of this department.
BLITZER: Diane Gilbert runs the shelter.
DIANE GILBERT, NEW ENGLAND SHELTER FOR HOMELESS SHELTER: The individuals in the shelter, whether they are combat veterans or not- combat veterans, have given a portion of their life to our country so that each one of us has our own safety net. And they need to be respected for that and honored for that.
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BLITZER: And here is your turn to weigh in on this story. Our "Web Question of the Day" is this -- "Does the U.S. do enough for its veterans?" You can vote right now. Go to cnn.com/wolf. We'll have the results later in this broadcast.
Are you ready for a cell phone swap? If you like your number, but hate your service, you'll love news out today.
And later, my interview with the legendary journalist Andy Rooney of "60 Minutes." Hear his thoughts on President Bush.
First, though, a quick look at some other news making headlines "Around the World."
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BLITZER (voice-over): For whom the bell tolls. On this Armistice Day in Britain, Big Ben strikes at the 11th hour on the 11th day of the 11th month when the guns fell silent 85 years ago, ending the first world war. Queen Elizabeth II with Australian Prime Minister John Howard at her side led the ceremony honoring Australian troops who died fighting alongside the British in the first and second world wars.
Iraqi treasures returned. More than 800 looted artifacts are back home in the Iraqi National Museum. Among the items, a copper statute dating to 2,300 B.C. The antiquities were stolen during the chaotic days after the fall of Saddam Hussein.
Mystery scandal. Some of Britain's tabloids are conceding they may have gone overboard in reporting the latest royal scandal. At issue, allegations of a sexual incident involving Prince Charles made by a former royal valet. Prince Charles says the allegations are false. A court order bans reporting the specifics of the allegations.
Nuke protest. A train loaded with radioactive waste has reached a northern German rail terminal after riot police pulled 150 protesters from the tracks. The train arrived about five hours behind schedule. It's the first delivery in a year to a nuclear waste dump.
Flex time. A muscleman from Switzerland strutted his stuff at the 57th Mr. Universe championship, beating 190 competitors to win the title. Among the vanquished, the six-time winner from Egypt.
And that's our look around the world.
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BLITZER: It may not necessarily be a revolution, but it's a huge victory for millions of cell phone users across the United States. The Federal Communications Commission is allowing consumers to switch their home phone numbers to their cell phones. CNN's Chris Huntington is joining us now live with details of the fine print of all of this -- Chris.
CHRIS HUNTINGTON, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, Wolf, the intention of the new rule is to help us seamlessly take a number wherever we want to go with whichever carrier we choose. The FCC's goal was to help us cut the cord with our hard-line local carriers and give us more options for cell phone service.
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HUNTINGTON (voice-over): If you're confused by the dizzying array of home and cell phone deals that are currently available, just wait until November 24. That's when most U.S. phone customers will be free to take their home or current cell phone numbers to any wireless provider they choose. It's called wireless number portability. And telephone industry analysts believe it will so heat up the competition between wireless carriers that they'll be forced to offer a whole new level of customer service.
RUDY BACA, PRECURSOR: For consumers, this is a great idea. I think you're going to see consumers going into their providers and saying, OK, what's the deal. You want to keep me? What are you offering? You want me to go to you? What are you offering? The bad news is mainly for the wireless providers, because they need to go after a consumer that now has much more bargaining power.
HUNTINGTON: Heavy cell phone users will have the most leverage and should be able to push carriers for discounts, rebates, free phones and added minutes. The carriers are bracing for a flood of changeovers. Industry studies predict that close to half of the more than 150 million cell phone accounts currently in use will switch to new carriers within the next year. That's nearly twice the current churn rate.
Most of the big wireless and local phone companies initially fought number portability, particularly the FCC's November deadline, because of expensive system upgrades needed to handle the switching volume.
DAVID SAMBERG, VERIZON WIRELESS: When somebody comes into a store to transfer their number, they have to remember that it's a two- carrier process. We're ready. We've done everything to be ready on our end. But if the other carrier isn't ready or has some issues with their systems, it could delay the process.
HUNTINGTON: Now, there will be some numbers that cannot be switched. One industry insider says as much as 10 percent. There will still be the good old problem of dropped and fading calls. Best advice is wait a few months, see which carriers are doing a good job and offering good deals -- Wolf.
BLITZER: Good advice from Chris Huntington. Thanks, Chris, very much.
Coming up, my interview with a veteran journalist known for his wit and wisdom.
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ANDY ROONEY, CBS NEWS: Answer that question.
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BLITZER: Find out what opinions Andy Rooney will and won't share with me. I'll give you a clue. Some of my questions he won't answer.
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BLITZER (voice-over): Earlier we asked -- What was Andy Rooney's first job on CBS' "60 Minutes?" The answer, writer and producer. Rooney has been a writer and producer for the program since its premiere in September 1968. He became an on-air commentator 10 years later with his regular segment "A Few Minutes With Andy Rooney."
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BLITZER: And for years millions of Americans have, indeed, had a standing date every Sunday night with Andy Rooney. His essays for "60 Minutes" are a staple of prime-time television, and now the favorites have been gathered in a new book, an illustrated collection called "Years of Minutes." I talked with Andy Rooney this afternoon.
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BLITZER: Andy Rooney, thanks very much for joining us. Congratulations on the new book, "Years of Minutes." It's a great, great read. We'll get to that in a moment, but on this Veteran's Day, a lot of our viewers probably don't remember or don't know that you were one of the great war correspondents from World War II. What goes through your mind at the media war coverage looking back all these years?
ROONEY: Well, I have some great and some terrible memories of World War II, of course. But it does not haunt me in the middle of the night. I saw it. I had a great look at World War II. A kind of a look that very few people had, because I could go anywhere and look at anything. There were no restrictions on correspondents then the way there is today.
BLITZER: Did we do a good job, the national news media, all of us, in covering the war in Iraq?
ROONEY: We don't really know, do we? It appeared at the time as though it was very good, and whether we got the whole scene or not now -- of course, it's easier to cover a war if you're winning it than if you're losing it, or if it's a tie.
BLITZER: Well, this war, we did have all those journalists who were embedded with the troops on the frontline. That was almost similar, except for the technology, to what you did during World War II.
ROONEY: Well, except we didn't win it that quickly. There was more fighting in World War II.
BLITZER: What's your favorite essay from all these great essays that you have compiled in this new book?
ROONEY: Oh, Wolf, I don't answer that question. It's like what was my favorite Christmas present. I sort of -- I have no memory of it. I don't have a favorite.
BLITZER: So there's no one that simply stands out...
ROONEY: No. I don't even remember most of them.
BLITZER: I mean, you spent a lot of time preparing each of these essays, and you have millions of viewers watching every one. How much time do you spend normally getting one of these essays ready for "60 Minutes?"
ROONEY: Well, if it's any good, I can write it in a couple of years. And if it isn't any good, it takes me a couple of days.
BLITZER: Usually, the best ones, at least from what I can tell in my own experience, when you really have something great to say, it just sort of flows right out of you.
ROONEY: It's a lot easier if you're sure of yourself, yes. When you have to wrench it around and keep rewriting it and doing something to it, it doesn't come out as well and you aren't as confident of it.
BLITZER: Do you see yourself more as a TV guy or a print guy?
ROONEY: Oh, no, I'm a writer. I -- you know, I started in this business. I wrote for a lot of people. I wrote for Arthur Godfrey for five years, I wrote for Sam Levinson (ph), I wrote for Gary Moore (ph) and I wrote for Harry Reasoner. And I'm basically a writer. And I lost Harry Reasoner, so I started doing my own stuff on television, but it was just an emergency. I liked it perfectly well when I was a writer.
BLITZER: You just wrote a controversial essay that caused some controversy, I guess, suggesting that President Bush might want to deliver a new speech to the American people and say, you know what? We got a lot of this stuff wrong going into the war with Iraq, the nuclear part, the terrorism part, and just sort of come clean. Among others things, you say, "That was a mistake. I wish I hadn't said that. I get bad information sometimes, just like you do." Have you gotten a lot of flack for that?
ROONEY: Yes. We got a lot of negative mail and a lot of phone calls, but we also got a lot of people saying it's the best thing I ever did. So it was about a tie.
BLITZER: What do you think of President Bush?
ROONEY: I plead the Fifth Amendment. He has a certain amount of boyish charm, I think. I said last night I don't think he's the smartest president we've ever had. But I don't think he thinks he is either. So that's in his favor.
And I am not really a conservative or a liberal. But he's a little too conservative for me. I don't approve of his environmental direction and I don't approve of the tax cuts. But personally, I find him sort of charming.
BLITZER: Andy Rooney, we always find you charming. That goes without saying. Thanks very much for joining us. The important book, a great read, "Years of Minutes." I'll tell you, when I went through it, brought back a lot of memories of "60 Minutes."
ROONEY: Thanks, Wolf.
BLITZER: Thank you.
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BLITZER: And coming up, lights, ornaments, action. But first, you have to find the perfect tree. And this, our hot Web question of the day: Does the U.S. do enough for its veterans? You can still vote, cnn.com/wolf. We'll have the results for you when we come back.
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BLITZER: One family's loss is New York City's gain. It's also our picture of the day.
Family members from Manchester, Connecticut are giving up a Norway spruce they planted 50 years ago to be this year's Rockefeller Center's Christmas tree. The 79-foot, nine-ton tree will be strung with 26,000 lights and illuminated in a nationally televised ceremony next month. Here is how you are weighing in on our Web question of the day. Earlier, we asked you this question: Does the U.S. do enough for its veterans? Take a look at this: 16 percent of you say yes, 84 percent of you say no. As always, we remind you, this is not, repeat not, a scientific poll.
A reminder, also this: You can always catch us on WOLF BLITZER REPORTS weekdays 5 p.m. Eastern. Among my guests tomorrow, the former CIA director James Woolsey, on the intelligence channels -- challenges in Iraq. I'll see you again tomorrow at noon Eastern. Tonight, 10 p.m., I'll be filling in for Aaron Brown. Until then, thanks very much for joining us. "LOU DOBBS TONIGHT" starts right now.
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WOLF BLITZER, HOST: Happening now fears in Iraq, the so-called Green Zone are the safest place supposedly to be under fire once again. We're live in Baghdad.
Also happening right now sudden flight why the chief U.S. administrator in Iraq, Paul Bremer, has dropped everything to come to Washington.
And word just coming out right now a legend from the old comedy series "The Honeymooners," Art Carney has died.
Stand by for hard news on WOLF BLITZER REPORTS.
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BLITZER (voice-over): Veterans Day, vows.
GEORGE W. BUSH, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: We will finish the mission we have begun period.
BLITZER: And violence, who's behind the attacks in Iraq?
Saudi slaughter, did the bombers hit the wrong target?
Millionaire's murder trial, the verdict is in and it's a shocker.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I changed my mind a dozen times.
BLITZER: And after 25 years we'll get a few minutes with Andy Rooney.
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ANNOUNCER: This is WOLF BLITZER REPORTS for Tuesday, November 11, 2003.
BLITZER: We begin with a developing story right here in Washington, D.C. The chief U.S. administrator in Iraq has suddenly returned for high level consultations over at the White House this amid reports Paul Bremer is frustrated with the U.S.-appointed Iraqi Governing Council.
There is also apparently some fear the overall security situation in and around Baghdad may be a lot worse than earlier thought. Explosions tonight once again rocked a heavily guarded area right in the heart of Baghdad.
We turn right away to CNN's Matthew Chance. He's live in Baghdad for the very latest -- Matthew.
MATTHEW CHANCE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Thanks, Wolf.
We heard at least ten explosions come from the area of the CPA, the coalition headquarters, what they call the Green Zone, a tightly guarded, highly secure supposedly area on the west banks of the Tigris River in the center of the Iraqi capital Baghdad.
We understand from coalition officials inside there were no injuries as a result of these projectiles being fired into the compound but we're also told that the coalition staff were forced to go to the basements to seek shelter from the barrage of mortars or rockets as they came in.
No significant damage to that but those insurgents who fired the rockets or the mortars demonstrating once again just how competent and able they are to strike at the heart of the coalition authority here in Baghdad.
That's something, of course, that's not lost on the many thousands of U.S. soldiers celebrating, commemorating Veterans Day today and stationed here in Iraq.
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CHANCE (voice-over): The aftermath of the latest Iraqi bombing this time in the southern city of Basra it may have been meant for the British soldiers who patrol here, a Veterans Day message for the coalition.
STAFF SGT. MARK COULTER, U.S. ARMY: By your service you have made our nation safer.
CHANCE: But for the 130,000 U.S. troops in Iraq this day has already earned special meaning. All are now veterans themselves and as they remember comrades who've died they face more difficulties ahead. Staff Sergeant Mark Coulter spoke at a Baghdad Veterans Day ceremony.
COULTER: I know sometimes it's hard. Sometimes it's difficult and there's probably not a person in this room that's like, you know what, I'm just sick and tired of this but remember we are all a part of something that's larger than ourselves and maybe in the future someone else will stand up and tell the story about what you're doing now.
CHANCE: November has already proved the bloodiest month for U.S. forces since the fall of Baghdad. The downing of a Chinook helicopter near Fallujah left 16 dead. Six more died when their Black Hawk was shot down near Tikrit. Exactly who's behind the now daily attacks continues to frustration coalition commanders.
LT. GEN. RICARDO SANCHEZ, U.S. ARMY: The total number of detainees that we have in our detention facilities is over 5,000. At one point we had up to about 20 suspected al Qaeda members but as we have continued to refine and interrogate we have not been able to establish definitively that they were al Qaeda members.
CHANCE: It seems that in this insurgency the foreign fighters of al Qaeda remain outnumbered by Iraqis bitter these U.S. and coalition forces are still here.
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CHANCE: Well, the coalition officials say that there are hundreds of what they call foreign fighters many of them from al Qaeda that have infiltrated Iraq and are using this country to fight U.S. interests here but the majority of these insurgents opposing the U.S.- led occupation of this country appear to be Iraqis themselves, remnants of the Saddam regime attempting to restate some of their power.
BLITZER: Matthew Chance reporting from Baghdad. Matthew, thank you very much.
From Iraq to Afghanistan right here to the homeland the nation, still very much at war, paused to honor its veterans today. President Bush paid tribute to their service and sacrifice over at Arlington National Cemetery. In towns and cities around the country there were parades and ceremonies. Many gathered at the Vietnam Veterans Memorial, the Wall, right here in Washington.
Amid all of this critics are already comparing the ongoing struggle in Iraq to the long war in Vietnam but President Bush took that bull by the horns today with a spirited defense of his policies.
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BUSH: We come to this Veterans Day in a time of war.
BLITZER (voice-over): It's also a time of intense debate in the United States and the president showed absolutely no signs of retreat. Before a friendly audience at the conservative Heritage Foundation in Washington he issued a determined vow to win in Iraq no matter the cost in casualties and dollars.
BUSH: We will finish the mission we have begun period.
BLITZER: Even as he spoke, more explosions rocked Baghdad but the president said the consequences of failure in Iraq and Afghanistan are simply too great warning the U.S. can either fight terrorists there or wind up fighting them on U.S. soil.
BUSH: The failure of democracy in those two countries would convince terrorists that America backs down under attack and more attacks on America would surely follow.
BLITZER: In making the case, the president claimed foreign terrorists have come to Iraq with the goal of installing a Taliban- like regime in Baghdad. They've aligned themselves, he said, with Saddam loyalists and others already in Iraq from al Qaeda and its Ansar al-Islam partners.
BUSH: Saddam loyalists and foreign terrorists may have different long term goals but they share a near term strategy to terrorize Iraqis and to intimidate America and our allies.
BLITZER: The president insisted the U.S. was winning the war, noting that most of the attacks in Iraq have been limited to the so- called Sunni Triangle, a 200 square mile area around Baghdad.
Missing from the president's speech any direct references to Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden both of whom remain at large and Iraq's weapons of mass destruction which have yet to be found.
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BLITZER: More news now coming out of Iraq. Iraqis who have been trained to provide security for their country now outnumber all other members of the coalition, including Americans.
General Richard Myers, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, tells CNN there are now 131,000 Iraqis under arms while the United States has 118,000 troops in Iraq. Myers says the Iraqis are conducting patrols, doing police work and guarding their borders.
In Afghanistan, meanwhile, a United Nations building was damaged today when a car bomb blew up in the provincial capital Kandahar. At least one injury was reported. There have been no claims of responsibility. Kandahar is a former stronghold of the Taliban militia.
The passing of a legend from TV's golden era, actor Art Carney best know for his portrayal of Ed Norton on "The Honeymooners," more on his life and career that's coming up.
Plus this, was it the work of al Qaeda after all? New evidence the terror group is responsible for that deadly blast in Saudi Arabia. I'll talk about that with the adviser to the Saudi Crown Prince.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The verdict of the jury is such. We, the jury, find the defendant Robert Durst not guilty.
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BLITZER: Shock, real shock in a Texas courtroom, a surprising verdict in the case of the eccentric millionaire Robert Durst. We'll hear from some of the jurors.
And on this Veterans Day, I'll talk with one of the great war correspondents and legendary journalist Andy Rooney of "60 Minutes," first though today's News Quiz.
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BLITZER (voice-over): What was Andy Rooney's first job on CBS's "60 Minutes," production assistant, writer, producer, commentator, the answer coming up?
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Sometimes I forget I'm a judge and that night I shouldn't have.
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BLITZER: Poor judgment by someone who rules from the bench. You won't believe what this Louisiana judge dressed for when it came to Halloween. We'll tell you. Stay with us.
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BLITZER: Sad news to report right now, news that broke on in the minutes before this newscast. CNN has confirmed that Oscar and Emmy winning actor Art Carney has died. He's, of course, best remembered as the sewer worker Ed Norton, Jackie Gleason's sidekick on "The Honeymooners." That role won him three consecutive Emmys. He also won an Oscar in 1974 for the film "Harry and Tonto." Art Carney was 85 years old.
Now to the latest news in Saudi Arabia, government spokesmen said today authorities are questioning a number of people who may be tied to the bombing of a Riyadh neighborhood.
The Saudi interior minister now says there have been no arrests but the government is blaming al Qaeda for Saturday's attack which killed 17 people and wounded 122 others.
And sources telling CNN right now one of the suspects has told investigators al Qaeda believed it was targeting a neighborhood housing Americans. Most of the victims were Arabs.
Let's get the view of an insider right now. Adel Al-Jubeir is the Foreign Policy Adviser to Saudi Crown Prince Abdullah. He serves as a spokesman for the Saudi government. He spoke with me earlier via videophone from Riyadh.
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BLITZER (voice-over): Adel Al-Jubeir thanks very much for joining us. Our condolences to you, to all the Saudis and others who were killed in this latest terror attack but what can you tell us about information you have that another terror strike might be on the way?
ADEL AL-JUBEIR, SAUDI FOREIGN POLICY ADVISER (via videophone): We can never discount the possibility. We know that there are a number of cells that still remain in Saudi Arabia. We intend to uncover them and destroy them. We have been on a heightened state of alert, especially since the May 12 bombings in Riyadh, and we have been on heightened state of alert since the beginning of Ramadan because we were picking up intelligence that attacks might be planned.
BLITZER: If you anticipated that this was in the works why couldn't you have prevented it?
AL-JUBEIR: Well, Wolf, we knew that we -- our intelligence indicated that there were attacks being planned. We knew that one that it had gone from planning to operations. We did not know what the target was and when I say we I mean both we and the United States.
We had broken up an al Qaeda cell in Mecca and we have also damaged or broken up an al Qaeda cell in Riyadh this week, this past Thursday so we are looking for them and we're destroying them wherever we can find them.
BLITZER: Are you 100 percent certain this was the work of al Qaeda?
AL-JUBEIR: I personally am, yes. It has all the hallmarks of al Qaeda being the methods that were used were the same. They're the only ones who have a motive and they're the only ones who have set up cells in Saudi Arabia to harm innocent people.
BLITZER: There is some suggestion that al Qaeda may have thought that the target they attacked included Americans as opposed to Arabs. Is that the information you're getting from the suspects you rounded up?
AL-JUBEIR: That may well be the case but al Qaeda is not targeting exclusively Americans. Al Qaeda is targeting everyone because it's a demonic oath that is pure evil. We know that Saudi Arabia and the United States are the two main targets of al Qaeda.
We know that they had set up a weapons making factory in Mecca. We know that they have booby-trapped Qurans. I doubt that they intended to give those Qurans to Americans so obviously they were targeting fellow Muslims as well as fellow Arabs and fellow Saudis.
BLITZER: As you know, Adel Al-Jubeir, there are many critics of Saudi Arabia who say you, your government, have only yourselves to blame for this for coddling al Qaeda over these years. What do you say to those critics in the House, the Senate, and elsewhere here in the United States?
AL-JUBEIR: Well, first of all I'm disappointed that they would say this. I believe these are callous remarks that have no place in the difficult times that we all -- the world is going through.
I also believe that those remarks emanate from ignorance and lack of information. If people had known what Saudi Arabia has been doing over the past ten years in trying to go after bin Laden they would not be saying this. It is also unfortunate, Wolf, that the very people who express these views and who are most critical and hostile of Saudi Arabia are inadvertently doing bin Laden's bidding. His objective is to drive a wedge between the U.S. and Saudi Arabia and these critics are playing right into his hands.
BLITZER: Is Saudi Arabia cutting back dramatically on the funding of these so-called madrassas, these schools, where so many of these fundamentalists apparently have emerged?
AL-JUBEIR: Well, Wolf, the fact that you ask this question is also an indication of the perception versus the reality. The perception is that Saudi Arabia was funding these schools. The reality is we're not.
Seventy percent of these schools which exist mainly in Pakistan are Sunni or Shiite. For us to be funding them would be like the Catholic Church funding Southern Baptist schools. It didn't happen.
We have also cut off all funding from Saudi charities to anything outside of Saudi Arabia. We have worked closely with the Pakistani government to determine if there were any private Saudi monies that are going to those schools so we can shut it off.
So, in answer to your question absolutely we are doing everything we can to shut off the flow of funding to either terrorists or those that support them or those that condone their actions. We have no choice but to do so.
BLITZER: Adel Al-Jubeir, once again our deepest condolences to you. Thanks very much for joining us.
AL-JUBEIR: You are very welcome and thank you for your thoughtfulness, Wolf.
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BLITZER: The ultimate twist, jurors stun a Texas courtroom with their surprise verdict in the case against New York millionaire Robert Durst.
A road map to peace and the state of relations between Israelis and Palestinians, I'll talk live with the former Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, and this...
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The individuals in a shelter whether they are combat veterans or not combat veterans have given a portion of their life to our country.
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BLITZER: Veterans in need they risked their lives to protect the United States. Now their own lives are at risk right here at home. We'll tell you what's going on. Stay with us. (COMMERCIAL BREAK)
BLITZER: He admits firing the fatal shot and dismembering the victim but jurors say that's irrelevant and today they returned a surprising verdict in the murder case against the heir to a real estate fortune.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The verdict of the jury is such. We, the jury, find the defendant Robert Durst not guilty.
BLITZER (voice-over): A New York millionaire acquitted or murder in Texas. Even Robert Durst himself seemed stunned. It's the latest chapter in the bizarre saga of this eccentric 60-year-old real estate heir.
His first wife disappeared in 1982 and when the case reopened in 2000, Durst moved to Texas to avoid scrutiny. Arriving in Galveston, he got a low rent apartment, disguised himself at times as a woman, and his attorneys say lived in a drug-induced haze.
Durst became friends with 71-year-old neighbor Morris Black and he admits he shot and killed Black in September, 2001 but Durst says it happened accidentally while the two men struggled over a gun after Durst found Black in his apartment illegally. Durst dismembered Black's body dumping the pieces in Galveston Bay. His lawyers concede it was a challenging case.
DICK DEGUERIN, ATTY. FOR ROBERT DURST: We all know that the worst part about this case was what Bob did after Morris Black was dead. He dismembered and discarded the body and fled, not once but twice.
BLITZER: Jurors gave several reasons for their verdict.
CHRIS LOVELL, DURST JUROR: From the very beginning of this trial the defense told us a story and they stuck to their guns all the way through.
JOANNE GORGORA, DURST JUROR: Based on the evidence that was presented to us there was reasonable doubt.
DEBORAH WARREN, DURST JUROR: We did the best with what we had and whether it agreed to you all or to anyone else out there in America this is what we came up with.
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BLITZER: Durst still faces charges of skipping bail. If convicted of that the sentence could range from two to ten years.
A costume party at this Louisiana restaurant has a state district judge in the spotlight. He wore a prison jumpsuit and shackles along with black face and an Afro wig. He says he didn't mean to offend anyone. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
JUDGE TIMOTHY ELLENDER, LOUISIANA DISTRICT COURT: My costume wasn't getting any laughs and everybody knew who I was so somebody at the party said, hey, somebody else was dressed as Buckwheat so someone suggested I put some of this paint on my face and I did.
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BLITZER: The local NAACP branch is considering filing a formal complaint with the State Judiciary Commission.
Cutting the cord on your home telephone, find out how a new ruling could let you go wireless without the hassle of getting a new number.
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ANDY ROONEY: I am not really a conservative or a liberal but he's a little too conservative for me.
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BLITZER: Veteran journalist Andy Rooney on what he really thinks about President Bush and more. I'll talk with the "60 Minutes" correspondent. That's coming up ahead.
And the Prince Charles sex scandal rocking Britain why the story now may be too racy even for the famed British tabloids. Stay with us.
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BLITZER: Fighting terror, I'll talk live with Israeli Finance Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.
And cell phone swap, changes that could save you a ton of money on your upcoming bills.
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Coming up this half hour a consumer report that could save you lots of money on your upcoming phone bills; first though, a quick check of the latest headlines.
The Bush administration is looking at steps to defend commercial airliners from shoulder-fired missiles. The Department of Homeland Security says it plans to award preliminary contracts to one or more companies to adopt existing anti-missile systems for commercial planes. Officials say it could be years before any system is implemented. Nine Wal-Mart workers recently arrested in federal raids have filed a racketeering lawsuit against the world's largest retailer. The workers accuse Wal-Mart of conspiring with contractors in a criminal venture that violated civil rights and wage protections of immigrants who cleaned Wal-Mart stores. The suit seeks unspecified monetary damages and an injunction barring Wal-Mart from further violations.
More now on our top story, with the violence in Iraq, the continued al Qaeda threat and the stalemate involving the Israelis and the Palestinians the Middle East, of course remains as volatile as ever.
As a leading figure in the region my next guest has been an eyewitness to all of this. Benjamin Netanyahu is currently Israel's finance minister. He's the former prime minister of Israel. He's joining us now live from New York. Minister Netanyahu thanks very much for joining us.
I want to get to the sensitive issue of Israel's Cabinet's decision to go and release 400 Palestinian, Lebanese prisoners in exchange for one Israeli businessman who's held by Hezbollah in Lebanon and three bodies of Israeli soldiers. A lot of concern that this is simply inviting more terrorism.
BENJAMIN NETANYAHU, ISRAELI FINANCE MINISTER: Well, it could, except that we made sure that the price would be circumscribed by saying that we would not release any killers, any terrorists. That is, people who murdered civilians. So that's not part of the bargain and Hezbollah will have to consider that.
They predicated this deal on, among other things, the release of a terrorist who had murdered a family, two children and a father. And, obviously, that's not going to happen. So it's up to them now.
We will go a very long distance to release our citizens and retrieve our MIAs. But we will not cross this red line. And it's now up to them to make that decision.
BLITZER: In the past, some prisoners you've released have, in fact, come back to kill other Israelis. You're aware of that?
NETANYAHU: Exactly. And that's why releasing known killers is a big mistake. And of course, we are not doing that.
I think that countries are tested by the amount of effort that they're willing to put to safeguard their citizens. We have people, soldiers who go out in battle. They have to know that we'll do our utmost to get them back. Israeli citizens around the world should know that their government stands by them. But we will not -- I repeat will not -- release terrorists, people who murdered civilians. We simply will not do that.
BLITZER: The Palestinian authority is expected to form a new government as early as tomorrow. Ahmed Qorei becoming the new prime minister. Is he someone that your government can work with? NETANYAHU: Well, I think the question is, is that regime going to change under Arafat? And Arafat is still the No. 1 guy. Recently, I think "60 Minutes" showed a report in which Arafat has been siphoning off hundreds of millions. I think, by the way, that's an understatement. Hundreds of millions of dollars to his own private accounts while he's complaining to the world about the suffering, the economic suffering of the Palestinians.
So I think that as long as you have this corrupt terrorist regime, you're not going to get very far. But there is a way, I think, to approach this somewhat differently.
I mean, the model that is being pursued around the world is this: First, you have some peace agreement. Then you have security. Then you have prosperity. I think we should reverse the order. I think we can should -- we can actually do a number of things that we're doing in Israel and we plan to suggest for the region -- to increase prosperity and security and then over time, as the Palestinians and others have a stake in a real future -- a real present and a real future -- I think things might fall in place in terms of the political settlement that we all seek to arrive.
BLITZER: That was -- that was clearly attempted throughout the '90s in the aftermath of the Oslo Accords to try to work together to establish some sort of prosperity. It didn't go very far.
NETANYAHU: No, I think it actually was the other way. Oslo was exactly the kind of overall agreement, you know, celebrated on the White House lawns, Nobel Peace Prizes. And from there would flow the realistic things of security and economic prosperity.
And in fact, Oslo was the wrong agreement. And I don't think that you're going to count on agreements. They're not ready yet, the Palestinians to abandon the goal of liquidating Israel. They're obviously not willing to abandon the goal of using terrorism for that purpose.
So until you have a maturation of Palestinian politics, you have to have a change on the ground. And I think we can do things to increase prosperity and security. That would probably create a new generation...
BLITZER: A lot of...
NETANYAHU: ...of Palestinian leadership.
BLITZER: Mr. Minister, a lot of Palestinians and U.S. officials say the Israelis should pull out of most of the West Bank and Gaza.
But begin with Gaza. You have -- what? -- about 1,000 Israeli settlers who live there, surrounded by a security fence, protected by Israeli soldiers in the midst of -- what? -- 1.3 million Palestinians. Why not get them out of Gaza?
NETANYAHU: Well, why not pull out of Israel altogether? I mean, Israel is surrounded by a lot of Arabs. And that logic, you can never have any place where you have Arab and Jewish populations touching one another because you would say, The Jews have to leave. And again, we would have to leave the Middle East, which is what al Qaeda and Hamas and Fatah (ph) want.
I think a better idea is to establish security, which can be done. We have the means to do so. Every where we've built up a defensive barrier in the firm of a fence that separates the Palestinian population from the Jewish population doesn't remove them. It doesn't transfer one side or the other. It just creates a physical barrier that human bombs, suicide bombers cannot cross. We've had almost 100 percent success. And I maintain that if you can stop terror, then you introduce stability into a political process.
Otherwise, you can start as many political processes as you would like. But you are at the behest of a single, individual suicide bomber who crosses the line, blows up a bus, blows up a restaurant, blows up a hotel. And you're back to square one and worse.
I think we have to establish the security barrier. And I think there are very exciting economic project that Israel is considering -- I'm going to talk about a few of them in Washington in the Senate tomorrow -- that could better the lives the Palestinians and Israelis alike.
BLITZER: Mr. Minister, always good to speak with you. We'll probably see you in Washington tomorrow. Thanks very much for joining us.
NETANYAHU: Thank you.
BLITZER: Now we go live back to Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, where our senior international correspondent Nic Robertson is standing by. He's got some new details on what happened that weekend deadly blast.
Nic, tell us what you have.
NIC ROBERTSON, CNN SR. INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, Wolf, what we're being told -- we've heard from Saudi authorities that they believe that the terrorists made a mistake in targeting the this compound, expecting to find Americans there, not Arabs. What we've been learning -- we've been asking questions. What we've been learning is the reason Saudi authorities think that they're being -- that al Qaeda is making a mistake is because recently, they say, they've detained a number of top-level al Qaeda operatives.
That's left a second-level in there who have taken bad judgments, used bad intelligence, who have sort of got this, "Use it or lose it" philosophy to their operations. And that's why the Saudis are saying that they they've got al Qaeda here beginning to be on the backfoot, that they're not dealing now with the upper echelon; they're dealing with less well-trained, younger people, perhaps with less experience. And that's why at this time they think al Qaeda made the mistake -- the type of mistake that they made at the weekend -- Wolf.
BLITZER: CNN's Nic Robertson reporting from Baghdad. We'll be checking back you with. Nic, thanks very much for that report. Excuse me. I meant Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. I'm used to saying Nic Robertson in Baghdad. Nic is in Riyadh for us via videophone.
Let's move on now.
For some U.S. veterans, coming home from war, of course, is a misnomer. For one reason or another, many find themselves with no home at all.
One group in Boston is trying to help as many as possible.
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BILL BENNETT, HOMELESS VETERAN: And then if it's not -- if it's not checkmarked, you have to check it to activate it.
BLITZER (voice-over): Bill Bennett is a Vietnam veteran helping other veterans learn computer basics.
BENNETT: (UNINTELLIGIBLE) C-drive.
BLITZER: He's also homeless. He hit bottom a year ago last summer. He was living in his car on a New Hampshire beach.
BENNETT: At the time, I was drinking. So it was pretty much go down to the beach and, you know, have a drink, and smoke, drink, watch the ocean, swim. Basically doing -- basically that was about all that was going on from day to day.
BLITZER: Now, he's staying and working at this Boston shelter, saving up for his own place.
BENNETT: OK. You go right here.
I'm back -- changed careers, which I want to do. I'm instructing, and I enjoy doing it.
BLITZER: The New England Shelter for Homeless Veterans is giving hope to hundreds of people like Bennett, providing food, shelter and job training.
Veterans make up nearly a fourth of all homeless in America. Substance abuse, poverty and social isolation are the leading causes.
Veterans Affairs Secretary Anthony Principi says another reason may be the horrors of war.
ANTHONY PRINCIPI, SEC. OF VETERANS AFFAIRS: The trauma of the battlefield. People come back, whether it be a year after they come back, or maybe five or 10 years. And it may lead to substance abuse. It may lead to joblessness and then on to poverty and, then ultimately, to homelessness.
BLITZER: With more women serving in the military, the problem is growing in their ranks as well.
MARQUETTE BAINES-CALK, HOMELESS VETERAN: My homelessness was caused by my drug and alcohol program -- I mean, problem, which ended up with me being divorced and having to leave the family home. And then, that's when my alcoholism and drug addiction got totally out of control.
DR. ROBERT HOSENHECK, YALE UNIVERSITY: It turns out that female veterans are also about three to four more times likely to become homeless than female Americans who are not veterans.
BLITZER: The shelter is funded by private donations, but also gets federal help.
PRINCIPI: The fact that someone is a veteran, they are homeless today -- well, we want to help that person out. That's the responsibility of this department.
BLITZER: Diane Gilbert runs the shelter.
DIANE GILBERT, NEW ENGLAND SHELTER FOR HOMELESS SHELTER: The individuals in the shelter, whether they are combat veterans or not- combat veterans, have given a portion of their life to our country so that each one of us has our own safety net. And they need to be respected for that and honored for that.
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BLITZER: And here is your turn to weigh in on this story. Our "Web Question of the Day" is this -- "Does the U.S. do enough for its veterans?" You can vote right now. Go to cnn.com/wolf. We'll have the results later in this broadcast.
Are you ready for a cell phone swap? If you like your number, but hate your service, you'll love news out today.
And later, my interview with the legendary journalist Andy Rooney of "60 Minutes." Hear his thoughts on President Bush.
First, though, a quick look at some other news making headlines "Around the World."
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BLITZER (voice-over): For whom the bell tolls. On this Armistice Day in Britain, Big Ben strikes at the 11th hour on the 11th day of the 11th month when the guns fell silent 85 years ago, ending the first world war. Queen Elizabeth II with Australian Prime Minister John Howard at her side led the ceremony honoring Australian troops who died fighting alongside the British in the first and second world wars.
Iraqi treasures returned. More than 800 looted artifacts are back home in the Iraqi National Museum. Among the items, a copper statute dating to 2,300 B.C. The antiquities were stolen during the chaotic days after the fall of Saddam Hussein.
Mystery scandal. Some of Britain's tabloids are conceding they may have gone overboard in reporting the latest royal scandal. At issue, allegations of a sexual incident involving Prince Charles made by a former royal valet. Prince Charles says the allegations are false. A court order bans reporting the specifics of the allegations.
Nuke protest. A train loaded with radioactive waste has reached a northern German rail terminal after riot police pulled 150 protesters from the tracks. The train arrived about five hours behind schedule. It's the first delivery in a year to a nuclear waste dump.
Flex time. A muscleman from Switzerland strutted his stuff at the 57th Mr. Universe championship, beating 190 competitors to win the title. Among the vanquished, the six-time winner from Egypt.
And that's our look around the world.
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BLITZER: It may not necessarily be a revolution, but it's a huge victory for millions of cell phone users across the United States. The Federal Communications Commission is allowing consumers to switch their home phone numbers to their cell phones. CNN's Chris Huntington is joining us now live with details of the fine print of all of this -- Chris.
CHRIS HUNTINGTON, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, Wolf, the intention of the new rule is to help us seamlessly take a number wherever we want to go with whichever carrier we choose. The FCC's goal was to help us cut the cord with our hard-line local carriers and give us more options for cell phone service.
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HUNTINGTON (voice-over): If you're confused by the dizzying array of home and cell phone deals that are currently available, just wait until November 24. That's when most U.S. phone customers will be free to take their home or current cell phone numbers to any wireless provider they choose. It's called wireless number portability. And telephone industry analysts believe it will so heat up the competition between wireless carriers that they'll be forced to offer a whole new level of customer service.
RUDY BACA, PRECURSOR: For consumers, this is a great idea. I think you're going to see consumers going into their providers and saying, OK, what's the deal. You want to keep me? What are you offering? You want me to go to you? What are you offering? The bad news is mainly for the wireless providers, because they need to go after a consumer that now has much more bargaining power.
HUNTINGTON: Heavy cell phone users will have the most leverage and should be able to push carriers for discounts, rebates, free phones and added minutes. The carriers are bracing for a flood of changeovers. Industry studies predict that close to half of the more than 150 million cell phone accounts currently in use will switch to new carriers within the next year. That's nearly twice the current churn rate.
Most of the big wireless and local phone companies initially fought number portability, particularly the FCC's November deadline, because of expensive system upgrades needed to handle the switching volume.
DAVID SAMBERG, VERIZON WIRELESS: When somebody comes into a store to transfer their number, they have to remember that it's a two- carrier process. We're ready. We've done everything to be ready on our end. But if the other carrier isn't ready or has some issues with their systems, it could delay the process.
HUNTINGTON: Now, there will be some numbers that cannot be switched. One industry insider says as much as 10 percent. There will still be the good old problem of dropped and fading calls. Best advice is wait a few months, see which carriers are doing a good job and offering good deals -- Wolf.
BLITZER: Good advice from Chris Huntington. Thanks, Chris, very much.
Coming up, my interview with a veteran journalist known for his wit and wisdom.
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ANDY ROONEY, CBS NEWS: Answer that question.
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BLITZER: Find out what opinions Andy Rooney will and won't share with me. I'll give you a clue. Some of my questions he won't answer.
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BLITZER (voice-over): Earlier we asked -- What was Andy Rooney's first job on CBS' "60 Minutes?" The answer, writer and producer. Rooney has been a writer and producer for the program since its premiere in September 1968. He became an on-air commentator 10 years later with his regular segment "A Few Minutes With Andy Rooney."
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BLITZER: And for years millions of Americans have, indeed, had a standing date every Sunday night with Andy Rooney. His essays for "60 Minutes" are a staple of prime-time television, and now the favorites have been gathered in a new book, an illustrated collection called "Years of Minutes." I talked with Andy Rooney this afternoon.
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BLITZER: Andy Rooney, thanks very much for joining us. Congratulations on the new book, "Years of Minutes." It's a great, great read. We'll get to that in a moment, but on this Veteran's Day, a lot of our viewers probably don't remember or don't know that you were one of the great war correspondents from World War II. What goes through your mind at the media war coverage looking back all these years?
ROONEY: Well, I have some great and some terrible memories of World War II, of course. But it does not haunt me in the middle of the night. I saw it. I had a great look at World War II. A kind of a look that very few people had, because I could go anywhere and look at anything. There were no restrictions on correspondents then the way there is today.
BLITZER: Did we do a good job, the national news media, all of us, in covering the war in Iraq?
ROONEY: We don't really know, do we? It appeared at the time as though it was very good, and whether we got the whole scene or not now -- of course, it's easier to cover a war if you're winning it than if you're losing it, or if it's a tie.
BLITZER: Well, this war, we did have all those journalists who were embedded with the troops on the frontline. That was almost similar, except for the technology, to what you did during World War II.
ROONEY: Well, except we didn't win it that quickly. There was more fighting in World War II.
BLITZER: What's your favorite essay from all these great essays that you have compiled in this new book?
ROONEY: Oh, Wolf, I don't answer that question. It's like what was my favorite Christmas present. I sort of -- I have no memory of it. I don't have a favorite.
BLITZER: So there's no one that simply stands out...
ROONEY: No. I don't even remember most of them.
BLITZER: I mean, you spent a lot of time preparing each of these essays, and you have millions of viewers watching every one. How much time do you spend normally getting one of these essays ready for "60 Minutes?"
ROONEY: Well, if it's any good, I can write it in a couple of years. And if it isn't any good, it takes me a couple of days.
BLITZER: Usually, the best ones, at least from what I can tell in my own experience, when you really have something great to say, it just sort of flows right out of you.
ROONEY: It's a lot easier if you're sure of yourself, yes. When you have to wrench it around and keep rewriting it and doing something to it, it doesn't come out as well and you aren't as confident of it.
BLITZER: Do you see yourself more as a TV guy or a print guy?
ROONEY: Oh, no, I'm a writer. I -- you know, I started in this business. I wrote for a lot of people. I wrote for Arthur Godfrey for five years, I wrote for Sam Levinson (ph), I wrote for Gary Moore (ph) and I wrote for Harry Reasoner. And I'm basically a writer. And I lost Harry Reasoner, so I started doing my own stuff on television, but it was just an emergency. I liked it perfectly well when I was a writer.
BLITZER: You just wrote a controversial essay that caused some controversy, I guess, suggesting that President Bush might want to deliver a new speech to the American people and say, you know what? We got a lot of this stuff wrong going into the war with Iraq, the nuclear part, the terrorism part, and just sort of come clean. Among others things, you say, "That was a mistake. I wish I hadn't said that. I get bad information sometimes, just like you do." Have you gotten a lot of flack for that?
ROONEY: Yes. We got a lot of negative mail and a lot of phone calls, but we also got a lot of people saying it's the best thing I ever did. So it was about a tie.
BLITZER: What do you think of President Bush?
ROONEY: I plead the Fifth Amendment. He has a certain amount of boyish charm, I think. I said last night I don't think he's the smartest president we've ever had. But I don't think he thinks he is either. So that's in his favor.
And I am not really a conservative or a liberal. But he's a little too conservative for me. I don't approve of his environmental direction and I don't approve of the tax cuts. But personally, I find him sort of charming.
BLITZER: Andy Rooney, we always find you charming. That goes without saying. Thanks very much for joining us. The important book, a great read, "Years of Minutes." I'll tell you, when I went through it, brought back a lot of memories of "60 Minutes."
ROONEY: Thanks, Wolf.
BLITZER: Thank you.
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BLITZER: And coming up, lights, ornaments, action. But first, you have to find the perfect tree. And this, our hot Web question of the day: Does the U.S. do enough for its veterans? You can still vote, cnn.com/wolf. We'll have the results for you when we come back.
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BLITZER: One family's loss is New York City's gain. It's also our picture of the day.
Family members from Manchester, Connecticut are giving up a Norway spruce they planted 50 years ago to be this year's Rockefeller Center's Christmas tree. The 79-foot, nine-ton tree will be strung with 26,000 lights and illuminated in a nationally televised ceremony next month. Here is how you are weighing in on our Web question of the day. Earlier, we asked you this question: Does the U.S. do enough for its veterans? Take a look at this: 16 percent of you say yes, 84 percent of you say no. As always, we remind you, this is not, repeat not, a scientific poll.
A reminder, also this: You can always catch us on WOLF BLITZER REPORTS weekdays 5 p.m. Eastern. Among my guests tomorrow, the former CIA director James Woolsey, on the intelligence channels -- challenges in Iraq. I'll see you again tomorrow at noon Eastern. Tonight, 10 p.m., I'll be filling in for Aaron Brown. Until then, thanks very much for joining us. "LOU DOBBS TONIGHT" starts right now.
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