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Bush Delivers Remarks on WMD Proliferation; Wesley Clark Bows Out of Presidential Race; Breaking Up Mafia Scam
Aired February 11, 2004 - 19:00 ET
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HEIDI COLLINS, CNN ANCHOR: Trying to reign in the threat of nuclear weapons for the highest bidder. Another Democrat bows out of the race. Breaking up a Mafia scam: the mob, the Internet and a few hundred mil. Martha Stewart's lawyers ask the judge for a mistrial. Our special series, "Love and Sex": tonight, the secret world of fantasies; what's your mate thinking about. And the history of strutting your stuff.
ANNOUNCER: Live, from the CNN broadcast center in New York, this is ANDERSON COOPER 360.
COLLINS: Hello, everyone and welcome to 360. I'm Heidi Collins in for Anderson Cooper tonight.
A whole lot going on that we are following tonight. A historic moment in Massachusetts, where the issue of same-sex marriage, a state constitutional amendment, is being debated in the legislature. What happens tonight could change the direction of the state and the decision to let gay couples marry. More in just a few moments on that in a live report.
But first tonight, dealing with what President Bush calls the greatest threat to humanity. The president today offered a plan to stop the proliferation of the weapons of mass destruction. White House correspondent, Suzanne Malveaux, has the latest details now on the president's approach.
SUZANNE MALVEAUX, CNN WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): President Bush is calling for the world to crack down on the spread of weapons of mass destruction.
GEORGE W. BUSH, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: We and our friends are determined to protect our people and the world from proliferation.
MALVEAUX: Mr. Bush introduced new proposals to stop the spread of weapons, including focusing on the black market, adopting stricter interdiction protocols and giving greater responsibilities to the U.N.'s nuclear watchdog group.
Mr. Bush says current treaties have failed to stop the spread of nuclear weapons: example, the father of Pakistan's nuclear bomb A.Q. Khan was able to sell secrets to Iran, Libya and North Korea through a global black market network. While Mr. Bush praised U.S. intelligence, European allies and Pakistan's leader, Pervez Musharraf, for recently bringing Dr. Khan down, he had a warning for countries not so cooperative.
BUSH: Continuing to seek those weapons will not bring security or international prestige, but only political isolation, economic hardship, and other unwelcomed consequences.
MALVEAUX: Mr. Bush commended Libya for agreeing to give up its weapons program, pressed Iran to cooperate with more stringent inspections and he called on North Korea to continue talks to abandon its nuclear ambitions. One nuclear expert says raising the profile of weapons proliferation may encourage countries to cooperate.
DAVID ALBRIGHT, PRES. INSTITUTE FOR SCIENCE AND INTL. SECURITY: We could end up with a much better nonproliferation regime with stronger treaties, stronger agreements, more political commitment by countries to make the world safer against the spread of nuclear weapons.
MALVEAUX: Now, this announcement doesn't come in a vacuum. Mr. Bush is eager to portray himself as a wartime president with bold vision during this election season. The White House says that it's building on the cooperation it's gotten with other countries on the weapons of mass destruction -- Heidi.
COLLINS: Suzanne Malveaux from the White House. Suzanne, thanks so much.
A rare flash of anger today from the normally even tempered secretary of state as the controversy over the president's military record boiled over on Capitol Hill. Secretary of State Colin Powell on Capitol Hill, during a heated exchange with Congressman Brown, a Democrat from Ohio.
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REP. SHERROD BROWN, (D) OHIO: We count on you. The president may have been AWOL, the vice president said he had other priorities during Vietnam, other high administrative officials never served. You understand war. We absolutely count on you. And I think a lot of us wonder what happened between that "Post" interview and your statement the next day when you said the president made the right decision.
COLIN POWELL, SECRETARY OF STATE: First of all Mr. Brown, I won't dignify your comments about the president, because you don't know what you're talking about. Second, let me get to the points you're raising.
BROWN: I'm sorry. I don't know what you mean, Mr. Secretary.
POWELL: You made reference to the president.
BROWN: I said he may have been AWOL. POWELL: Mr. Brown, let's not go there. Let's just not go there in this hearing. If you want to have a political fight on this matter that is very controversial and I think is being dealt with by the White House, fine. Let's not go there.
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COLLINS: To Iraq now, blood and tears pouring out of Baghdad tonight. Another suicide bombing, the second in 2 days. At least 47 people killed. Officials suspect it was carried out by insurgents. But some victims blame the U.S. And we must warn you now, some of these images are disturbing and graphic in this report from CNN's Brent Sadler.
BRENT SADLER, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): There was no mistaking the target or reason for this lethal attack in Baghdad. A suicide bomber decimated a line of recruits joining Iraq's new army. An explosion meant to kill and to scare.
These are the victims, zipped inside too few body bags, all wrapped in plastic sheets and blood-soaked blankets. Grief is overwhelming.
(on camera): This is an horrific scene of death. Bodies are laid out in the backyard of this hospital, because the refrigerators are full. Families are identifying the remains of their loved ones and taking them away to their homes for burial.
(voice-over): Najah Jabbar (ph) screams at a doctor to let him take the body of his dead son, Mohammed home. Relatives who don't have the patience for tedious formalities at a time like this.
These survivors don't blame terrorist suicide bombers. They are caused by the American military, they claim, without any proof. To destabilize security and subjugate Iraq.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They are our friends and allies. They are not going to do it. It would be against their interest to do it.
SADLER: Families here say their men were not sent into any battle for the United States. It was to earn money to save themselves from poverty and hardship. Brent Sadler, CNN, Baghdad.
COLLINS: The race to the White House tonight is a leaner one. Wesley Clark is out of the contest . A contest that John Kerry continues to dominate. CNN's Kelly Wallace reports.
KELLY WALLACE, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): And now there are five. The retired General brings his first political race to a close. WESLEY CLARK, (D) FRM. PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: So this is the end of the campaign for the presidency. It's not the end of the cause.
WALLACE: And it's not the end of the race, that's the message from John Kerry's remaining opponents, including Howard Dean. Now 0 for 14, Dean goes on the attack in Milwaukee, after reports that a Kerry supporter, former Senator Robert Touricelli contributed $50,000 to a secret group that ran these anti-Dean ads last year.
ANNOUNCER: And Howard Dean just cannot compete.
HOWARD DEAN, (D) PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: This is the kind of thing that's gone on in the Republican party before. I'm sorry to see Senator Kerry introduce those technics to the Democratic party.
WALLACE: A Kerry spokesman said the Senator was not aware of Touricelli's involvement with the group. And called Dean's attack, quote, "another day, another Dean act of divisive desperation."
John Edwards, also in Wisconsin, says there has been no pressure from Democrats for him to get out of the race. He sticks with his positive, playing up his southern roots message, even though Kerry beat him handily in his own backyard.
SEN. JOHN EDWARDS, (D) PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: This is a guy that can beat George Bush every place in America, in the north, in the west, in the Midwest and talking like this in the south.
WALLACE: A sign of the front-runner's confidence, after Tuesday's big wins, he took the day off to work the phones and get rid of a cold.
WALLACE: And more good news tonight for John Kerry. According to a recent poll here in Wisconsin, he currently has a lead of more than 30 points over his nearest rival -- Heidi.
COLLINS: Kelly Wallace in Milwaukee, thanks.
And right now, the issue of same-sex marriage is before the Massachusetts legislature. These are some live pictures you are looking at out of Boston, where law makers continue to debate an amendment to the state's constitution. It would define marriage as a union between a man and woman, essentially nullifying a State Supreme Court decision allowing gay couples to marry. David Mattingly has more now on all of today's developments and the reaction.
DAVID MATTINGLY, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Shouting in the streets, shouting in the hallways, it all adds up to one pressure- filled day for Massachusetts legislators as they try to craft a constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriage.
DAVE FLYNN, STATE REPRESENTATIVE: It is a gut wrench, and it's a gut test. I've had over 4,000 e-mails on the subject matter.
MATTINGLY: After Senators followed an escorted ceremonial top hat into the House chamber, law makers immediately launched into a variety of amendments providing civil union protection for same-sex couples, but prohibiting marriage, defining it between one man and one woman.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I urge my colleagues to stand with me against discrimination today and to oppose this effort to amend our constitution.
MATTINGLY: Supporters, however, seem to be listening closely to the chance of people demanding a public vote.
BRIAN LEES, SENATE MAJORITY LEADER: All we are asking -- I believe the people in the hall, the people that have written letters and others that have written us say they would like, give the people a chance to vote. We are doing that.
MATTINGLY: But any proposed amendment to the State Constitution would not appear on the ballot until late 2006.
MATTINGLY: And by that time, who knows how many of the 19,000 gay couples in Massachusetts will decide to take advantage of last week's State Supreme Court ruling, which makes it legal for them to now marry in the state of Massachusetts -- Heidi.
COLLINS: In Boston, David Mattingly tonight. David, thanks so much.
We want to give you some perspective on this issue. Last June, the Canadian province of Ontario became the first north American jurisdiction to legalize gay marriage. Since then, a total of 11,668 marriage licenses have been issued in Toronto. Of those, 10 percent were issued to gay couples. Of those, 1,114 gay marriage licenses, 381 were given to Americans.
We are following a number of developing stories right now cross country. Washington, D.C. Congressional outcry in the name of decency. One by one today, media bigwigs were peppered with questions and skewered with complaints about the salacious nature of today's TV programming. Many lawmakers say the FCC may have to revoke licenses, not just stiffen fines, to show networks they are serious about cleaning up programming.
Also in Washington, a refusal to recuse Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia says he sees no reason why he can't be impartial in a case involving the vice president's energy task force even though he and Dick Cheney took a duck hunting trip together last month. Scalia says it is OK to hear the case because it is a government matter, not a personal one.
Washington again. Defending the diet. Defenders of Robert Atkins are taking issue with a new publication suggesting the diet guru was hardly in shape when he died. His supporters say Atkins' obesity was caused by fluid weight he put on while hospitalized after his fall. Atkins' widow says the release of her husband's medical records was against the law and a breach of medical ethics.
Orlando, Florida. Fat cat going after the mouse house. The idea of another company purchasing the Disney empire may seem like a trip to fantasy land but an offer is on the table as we speak. Comcast Cable is offering $54 billion in stock for Disney. Comcast competitor, Time Warner Cable, is a unit of this network's parent company, Time Warner.
Martha Stewart on trial. Her lawyer goes on the offensive to keep her out of jail. Find out why he asked for a mistrial.
Also, Halliburton under investigation. A closer look at allegations of bribery while vice president Dick Cheney was head of the company.
Also secret fantasies. What men and women are really thinking. Part of our weeklong series love and sex. But first let's take a look inside the box at the top stories on tonight's network newscasts.
COLLINS: Stocks, alleged lies and an audiotape. Today, much of the Martha Stewart trial centered around a recorded statement from the co-defendant in the case. CNN's Deborah Feyerick has the details.
DEBORAH FEYERICK, CNN CORRESPONDENT: As he sat at the defense table several seats from Martha Stewart, Peter Bacanovic listened as his voice filled federal court. "I did not get to be a first vice president at Merrill Lynch by discussing other people's business." The tape was made soon after Stewart's controversial Imclone sale, the first time Bacanovic met with investigators.
The broker explains he thought the biotech stock had peaked, but Stewart had faith in the company's new drug. Bacanovic saying Stewart reasoned that Imclone has a good drug. All news seems to be very positive. Why would I sell the stock when it's so close to its approval?
On Bacanovic's earlier advice, Stewart had already sold 50,000 shares of Imclone from her company's pension fund but she'd insisted on holding nearly 4,000 shares in her private account. The broker describes the following conversation with Stewart. I said, "how long are you going to wait before you sell this stock? We determined $60 would be a suitable price."
Prosecutors say Stewart and her broker came up with the $60 sale price to cover up the questionable trade. Bacanovic told investigators he never spoke directly to Stewart that day. The trade was handled by his assistant, now the government's key witness. Bacanovic says it wasn't until after the sale his assistant told him something was up with Imclone. Several weeks after the trade, Stewart and Bacanovic dined together at a restaurant. Bacanovic told investigators they didn't talk about Imclone though CEO Sam Waksal did come up briefly because his name was over the news. Stewart's reaction, poor Sam. Deborah Feyerick, CNN, New York.
COLLINS: We are tracking a number of developing stories around the globe. We want to check the uplink for you. Gaza city. The bloodiest day in 16 months. 15 Palestinians were killed, dozens wounded when Israeli tanks rumbled into a densely populated neighborhood. The Israeli army says it met stiff resistance as its forces entered the city to search for militants who allegedly attacked nearby settlements.
Tehran, Iran. Warning to hard liners. Today, President Khatami told his conservative rivals they are on the verge of alienating the country's youth. His government has reluctantly agreed to hold paramilitary elections next week. Reformers say these elections are rigged and used today the 25th anniversary of the Iranian revolution to spread the word about a boycott they're organizing.
Port-Au-Prince, Haiti. Starvation on the horizon. United Nations officials say hundreds of thousands could go hungry if violent protests continue. The world food program said last week's violence blocked relief trucks from reaching the country's neediest people.
Guadalajara, Mexico. Gloating gone bad. The Mexican national soccer team had no trouble eliminating the U.S. men's squad from Olympic qualifications last night. Then after the 4-0 victory, the anti-American crowd burst into a chorus of boos and a few dozen fans began chanting Osama, Osama and that's tonight's "Uplink."
Halliburton is again connected to an investigation. The Treasury Department is examining the company's dealings with Iran through a foreign subsidiary. Halliburton previously has said it doesn't believe it broke U.S. laws. The Pentagon and Justice Department also have launched inquiries into the practices by the oil services company. So have other governments, including Nigeria. The West African nation's concern is over a transaction that happened while Vice President Cheney was running the company. CNN's Jeff Koinange.
JEFF KOINANGE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Halliburton is in the headlines again. This time half a world away here in the streets of Africa's most populace nation. The government of Nigeria has opened an investigation to determine whether four companies including a subsidiary of the U.S. oil services giant, may have paid up to $180 million in bribes to land a huge project in the West African country.
The Nigerian government says the alleged payments involve a contract for a $4 billion liquefied natural gas plant built in the 1990s by a consortium that included Kellogg, Brown & Root, a unit of Houston-based Halliburton. At the time, U.S. Vice President Dick Cheney was head of Halliburton.
(voice-over): Mr. Cheney has referred all questions to Halliburton. An independent watchdog group named Nigeria the with the second most corrupt image of 133 surveyed after Bangladesh. Nigeria's president is struggling to reverse that reputation with number of high profile investigations, including of that Halliburton.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Certainly, we in Nigeria will not allow any company whatsoever to defraud our people, our economy or our government.
KOINAGE: A spokesman here at Halliburton's corporate offices in Lagos said he knew nothing about the allegations. A spokeswoman at the company's Houston headquarters tells CNN, "Halliburton has not received notification from the Nigeria government on this issue. She adds while Halliburton to assume any of it's employee's did anything illegal, the company is conducting it's on inquire and intends to cooperate with the U.S. governments inquiries. An African national battling its own representation for corruption, an American company looking to avoid the same fate.
Jeff Koinange, CNN, Abuja.
COLLINS: A pizza delivery man strapped with a bomb is blown up after a failed bank robbery. Was he a victim of a larger plot after all?
New evidence released by police.
Plus, alleged mobter tales. It's not the "Sopranos" but a real- life scheme to steal millions of dollars from consumers.
And a little later, the secret fantasies of men and women.
Is it in the mind or body?
Part of our week-long series, "Love & Sex."
First, today's "Buzz." Which plays a bigger role in having a great sex life, the mind or body?
Vote now cnn.com/360. The results at the end of the show.
COLLINS: Do you know what you'll be getting for Valentine's day this weekend?
Well, ladies, you're probably hoping to get flowers and a romantic evening, right?
The guys are hoping to get some. Which bring us to today's edition of our "Love & Sex" series. The fantasies of men and women and how often sex is on their minds. (BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I probably think about sex almost all the time.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Fifty percent of the time.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Seventy-five percent of my thoughts are about sex.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Nowadays I think about sex -- 10 times an hour, sometimes 80 times.
COLLINS (voice-over): What's on men's minds might not come as a big surprise. For women, it is a different story. Researchers have found only 19 percent of women think about sex on a daily basis. And just what are we thinking about?
EDWARD LAUMANN, SOCIOLOGIST UNIVERSITY OF CHICAGO: Men are much more visually oriented, more likely to think about the actual sex act.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I think everyone had a schoolteacher they fantasized one. I had this one specific one in junior high school that wore short dresses and low-cut tops on purpose just to really stick it to us.
LAUMANN: Women are more likely to think about the context, the nature of the relationship, the romance that led to the relationship rather than the actual sexual activities.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I just kind of think nice things about my boyfriend.
COLLINS: There is one thing that both sexes do have in common. When it comes to fantasies, there are no rules.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: In a fantasy, anything goes. Anything. Things I would never do. That's a fantasy is all about, isn't it?
COLLINS: Got to be love that, don't you.
How much of a role do fantasies play in people's sex lives?
Earlier today I talked with Bob Berkowitz, contributing editor of "Complete Women Magazine."
And Melinda Galeagher, co-founder of "Cake," a woman's entertainment company that promotes female sexuality. I began by asking Dr. Berkowitz, whether you should tell your partner about those fantasies.
BOB BERKOWITZ, PHD, CONTRIBUTING EDITOR, "COMPLETE WOMAN MAGAZINE": You have to know your partner. Sharing is great. If your partner will be freaked out, your partner and her best friend or his best friend to be in a kind of situation with you, be careful about sharing your fantasies. You have to know your audience before you share.
COLLINS: If your partner does become freaked out, as you say, then what do you do?
Do you not talk about them anymore or do you start to say, hey, I wonder if this person is right for me or not?
BERKOWITZ: No. You can say, it is just a fantasy. Anything in a fantasy is just fine, acting it out is another story. Just talking about it. Like when we were kids. We could do make believe, cowboys and indians, nurse and doctors. Same thing for adult. It's sort of adult play, but it has a sexual connotation to it.
COLLINS: Melinda, if your partner doesn't want to hear about it, do you wonder how free, if you will, he or she really want to be?
MELINDA GALEAGEHER, CO0FOUNDER OF CAKE: There is a difference between a fantasy you want to share with your partner and that he is definitely involved in it. There is a different type of fantasy where, you know, I want to have sex with Brad Pitt or something like that. And that doesn't really -- that's not going to turn your partner on, obviously. But we've found in researching our book that women have a total diverse sensibility about fantasies. And the number thing we hear, they might not act out, but they think about and might add to their sexuality is having a threesome, actually with their partner. If the partner is not into that, that's certainly something you have to respect.
BERKOWITZ: Funny. That's the number one fantasy for guys, too. We're getting together, finally.
COLLINS: Isn't that interesting see.
COLLINS: I got to ask you the age-old question. You know, we constantly hear things about how things are different when men talk about sex versus when women talk about sex.
Is there still a double standard if you will?
It's OK for men, but women, why they start talking is a little sleazy, a little possibly promiscuous?
Is it still there?
BERKOWITZ: I think there is still a double standard, but not much. Not as much as a generation ago for having sex. I mean, it is much less than it is now. It probably will always be there a little bit. But not as much as it used to be thank goodness.
GALEAGHER: I agree. But I think the double standard sometimes comes in the bedroom where sexual quality literally gets played out. And we have statistics that, unfortunately, women are still faking it. 70 percent of the women we interviewed fake it. I don't think you get that static with men.
BERKOWITZ: Thirteen percent of men.
COLLINS: Fake what, Melinda.
GALEAGHER: Fake the big, you know, "O."
BERKOWITZ: Thirteen percent of men do by the way.
GALEAGHER: That's a big discrepancy. 20 percent we interview have never had an orgasm. That's a definite difference between men and women and think we need to still work on that.
COLLINS: All right, very good. To the both of you, we appreciate your time so much, and we hope you'll come back and talk to us more.
COLLINS: So today's "Buzz" question is this.
Which plays a bigger role in having a great sex life, the mind or the body?
Vote now, cnn.com/360. Results at the end of the show.
A Mafia scam Feds say took in hundreds of millions of dollars.
Martha Stewart goes for a quick end to her trial.
And life on catwalk, then and now.
COLLINS: In the next half hour on 360 a new ad attacking President Bush. , Has it crossed the line? We'll hear from both sides.
Plus, a pizza delivery man strapped with a bomb. Was he the victim of a bank plot? We have the new evidence that could clear his name.
And the Martha Stewart trial, will a new offensive by her lawyer keep her out of jail? We'll take a closer look at that.
But first, let's check the top stories in "The Reset." In Washington, President Bush calls on global leaders to stop the threat of weapons of mass destruction. The president is offering several proposals to reach that goal, including one that would ask the U.N. to require all countries to criminalize proliferation.
A former driver for Osama bin Laden may be at Guantanamo Bay. The military lawyer assigned to the detainee says his client admits to taking bin Laden around the Kandahar, Afghanistan region from 1996 to 2001. The lawyer, though, says his client did not play a role in terrorist activities.
Actress Jane Fonda says there is no link between her and John Kerry, despite a 1970 photo showing her and Kerry in a demonstration against the Vietnam War. She says, attempts to connect her controversial anti-war past to the presidential hopeful are part of a, quote, "big lie."
The infant mortality rate has climbed for the first time since 1958. The CDC says the exact reason for the slight increase is unclear, but previous research shows it may reflect a trend by U.S. women to put off motherhood.
And that's tonight's "Reset."
Onto political ads, particularly one featuring President Bush and a lie detector test. That's the premise of the latest controversial advertisement by the political advocacy group, Moveon.org.
The commercial shows a polygraph machine flickering every time the president speaks about Iraq, its alleged weapons of mass destruction and ties to terrorism. At the end, it flashes, Americans are dying for the truth.
Joining us now from Washington to discuss the ad are former representative Tom Andrews, who is now National Director of the group Win Without War. Mr. Andrews, hello to you.
TOM ANDREWS, PRES WIN WITHOUT WAR: Hi, Heidi. Thanks for having me.
COLLINS: You bet.
And New Mexico Representative Heather Wilson. Ms. Wilson, thanks to you as well for being here tonight.
And I would like to start with you, if I could, Representative Andrews. I want to read the three statements, if I could, that the ad claims to be lies about the president.
The first one, Saddam Hussein had an advanced nuclear weapons development program. The second one, Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa. Saddam Hussein aids and protects terrorists, including members of al Qaeda.
Tom, are you saying that when the president made these statements he was deliberately lying to the American people?
ANDREWS: Yes. I'll tell you what we're saying. We're saying that the American people were deceived and manipulated by this president and his administration to justify the attack on Iraq.
And Heidi, I want to say thank you for having this program on because the U.S. Congress has made it clear, particularly the Senate Intelligence Committee, that they're going to look into this question of the deceptions and distortions of this president and the administration with respect to weapons of mass destruction and the threat that Iraq posed.
Nor does this new commission, hand picked by the administration, nor will they look into this question. So this is the only way, through ads like this and through this kind of program that the public will have a debate about this deception.
COLLINS: Let me get to Representative Wilson, if I could. I need her reaction to the statements as well and the overall ad. Representative Wilson, your thoughts.
REP. HEATHER WILSON, (R) NEW MEXICO: Well, it seems to me, the people that have having trouble with the truth are Moveon.org and other left-wing liberal political groups that put together ads like this, particularly the third statement, no tie to terrorism al Qaeda. Just in the last 48 hours, we have seen the most letter to Zarqawi letter to al Qaeda, giving the strategy for fermenting further unrest and links between al Qaeda and Zarqawi in Iraq. So, I think people having the problem are Moveon.org.
COLLINS: Isn't it possible the president did not have all of the information. You're saying that he knew what he was saying was false.
ANDREWS: Right. Let's start, first of all, with these false statements made to the United States public and Congress in the State of the Union Address. First of all, the statement that Saddam had advanced nuclear weapons.
Well, not only is that false, but to back that claim up, the president cited a United Nations report that said Saddam Hussein was within six months of having a nuclear weapon. That report didn't exist. It never existed. His own Department of Energy and his own bureau within the State Department, his own bureau of intelligence and research made it very clear that the basis of his claim in the State of the Union Address were these aluminum tube that is would be made into nuclear weapons had no basis in fact. Couldn't be used for that.
In fact, every single centrifuge scientist within the Department of Energy's Oakridge Laboratory unanimously said there was no basis for that whatsoever. So, even his own administration, even those...
COLLINS: Congressman Andrews, let me give Representative Wilson a chance here. Is there any truth to this ad whatsoever? The White House has done a little bit of back pedaling on some of these issues.
WILSON: I think the White House has made clear and made statements with respect to Africa. And they've also said, and they said at the time actually, that there were differing interpretations about aluminum tubes and so forth.
But I got to tell you one thing, we did the right thing to remove Saddam Hussein from power. And to me, the most important thing was his biological weapons program, which we've now confirmed he was continuing to pursue up to the day of the invasion, and the ability to deliver those biological weapons against Americans on American soil. We did the right thing to remove him from power. Not only are the American people safer because of that, the Iraqi people are much better off.
COLLINS: And Representative Wilson, it is obvious that this ad is a provocative one. Did it go too far? Is it possible that this could backfire?
WILSON: This is a radical left-wing political group that really doesn't have much credibility, at least with any kind of legitimate people that I know of. I think it's pretty trashy.
COLLINS: Mr. Andrews, let me give you the final thought. Did this go too far? Is it possible things could backfire on Moveon.org?
ANDREWS: I think the Congress has gone too far in not looking at these questions and providing the American people the truth. I think the president went too far in hand picking a commission and telling them this was off the table.
If the truth is radical, then we say, we're guilty. The American people deserve the truth. They were deceived, they were manipulated. and let me tell you something, Heidi. We attacked Saddam Hussein. We attacked Iraq. It did not justify the loss of 530 American lives when the United Nations had contained Saddam Hussein. Had put him in a box, a box he could not get out of. This is outrageous to suggest that this is something we had to do. We did not have to do this.
COLLINS: Congressman Andrews and Representative Wilson, unfortunately that is all the time we have tonight. I'm sure we will have more discussion on this as the ad airs. We appreciate your time to the both of you tonight. Thanks so much.
For tonight's midweek crisis we're looking at a potential political crisis for the president, the inability, so far, to shut down the questions about his service in the National Guard.
COLLINS (voice-over): The White House tried to put the issue to rest yesterday with the release of new service and payroll records.
SCOTT MCCLELLAN, WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY: These documents make it very clear that the president of the United States fulfilled his duties.
COLLINS: And Democratic front-runner John Kerry declined to contradict him.
SEN. JOHN KERRY (D-MA), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I decline to comment.
COLLINS: Still, not everyone accepts that Mr. Bush's honorable discharge or the new documents definitively prove all his claims. And the records don't negate questions raised by other documents about whether Mr. Bush was where he was supposed to be when he was supposed to be there.
Democrats hope it will erode the president's image among undecideds as a credible, trustworthy commander in chief. But appearing to question his patriotism could backfire. Mr. Bush counters by suggesting his critics denigrate the Guard itself but that may pose its own problems. While the Air National Guard's own site admits that during Vietnam, quote, "the Reserves and the Guard acquired reputations as draft havens for relatively affluent young white men.
Just ahead, the bizarre case of a pizza deliveryman who was killed when a bomb strapped to his chest went off. New clues into this baffling mystery emerge.
Also tonight, if you think the phone company is going too far, you won't believe what some wise guys are accused of doing.
And a little later, the evolution of the catwalk. Decades of practice and it's still hard to perfect.
COLLINS: In Erie, Pennsylvania, a strange new twist to the already strange story of a pizza delivery man killed by a bomb around his neck after he robbed a bank. Mike Brooks reports.
MIKE BROOKS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Act now, think later or you will die. One line from a very detailed note given to Brian Wells on August 28, 2003, before he robbed a PNC bank in Erie, Pennsylvania, armed with a shotgun shaped like a cane and a bomb locked around his neck. On Tuesday, the FBI released excerpts of a nine-page handwritten note.
BOB RUDGE, FBI: FBI experts believe that by providing the public with key personality traits of the offender along with samples of his writings, someone will recognize this person.
BROOKS: The note, containing detailed instructions on how to rob the bank and a map with directions to four different location that Wells was to find after he robbed the bank. The note also read, "stay calm and do as instructed to survive. If police or aircraft are involved, you will be destroyed. Alerting authorities or anyone else will prevent you from completing the mission."
Wells never completed the instructions given to him. Shortly after leaving the bank he was stopped two blocks away by police after a call to 911 from someone who saw him rob the bank. He was handcuffed and police discovered there was a bomb around his neck. He pleaded with police to help him. But as police waited for bomb experts to arrive, the device exploded, killing the 46-year-old pizza delivery man. Investigators believe Wells would never have time to complete all the instructions that were given to him before the bomb detonated. Mike Brooks, CNN, Atlanta, Georgia.
COLLINS: Now on to "Justice Served" and the Martha Stewart trial. Today it started with her lawyer asking for a mistrial and ended with a jury hearing Martha Stewart's stockbroker say on tape he did not hear in advance the bad news that caused Imclone stock to drop.
Let's review today's events with 360 legal analyst Kimberly Guilfoyle Newsom and "Celebrity Justice" correspondent Carolina Buia. Thank you for being with us. Carolina, you are in the courtroom. You know what's going on. How did the judge react when Stewart's attorney asked for a mistrial?
CAROLINA BUIA, CORRESPONDENT, "CELEBRITY JUSTICE": The judge was amused to a certain point and then she basically told him you have to cut out the histrionics right now. He also asked for one of the government's witnesses to be impeached claiming that he never told Martha Stewart that she was under oath. And the judge, again, enough with the histrionics, let's move forward.
COLLINS: Kimberly, I want to ask you, there were, obviously, a lot of interesting exchanges that happened today, especially when Stewart's attorney asked the SEC investigator, quote, "is it your hope that the government wins this is case?" And then she replied, yes, I believe in this case. Clearly, Stewart's lawyer is trying to do a little bit of discrediting here, right?
KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE NEWSOM, 360 LEGAL ANALYST: As he should. That's a classic question coming from a defense attorney on cross- examination. They have to show she has some kind of motive, bias or other interest in seeing this case gets a conviction. She was great in saying, I'm looking for the truth. I'm a fact witness.
COLLINS: Fact witness. What does this mean? Especially when you have a statement like that that's clearly subjective, if you will.
GUILFOYLE NEWSOM: We're dealing with an SEC lawyer. And basically the background checks these people go through are incredible. You are dealing with someone whose primary purpose is to serve for truth and justice and make sure violators are punished equally. Her job is the job to make sure that Martha Stewart isn't treated any differently than the average Joe investor. That's how she presented today, just the facts, ma'am, that type of thing.
COLLINS: Carolina, how did the jury respond to this?
BUIA: You know, the jury kept looking around. It was like a tennis match. The biggest thing that happened today, they showed an audiotape of Peter Bacanovic's interview with investigators. There are some discrepancies with Peter Bacanovic's interview and with the interview Martha Stewart gave to the FBI, which there is no audiotape. It was transcribed with notes.
COLLINS: They're probably going to contend that some human error was involved in that.
BUIA: And the biggest thing is Peter Bacanovic told investigators, "I never told Martha Stewart there was an SEC investigation going on." But then Martha Stewart allegedly told the FBI, "yes, Peter Bacanovic let me know there was an SEC investigation relating to Imclone."
COLLINS: All right, before we let you go, guys, Kimberly, I want to ask you, should Martha Stewart take the stand?
GUILFOYLE NEWSOM: Every day it is becoming more important, I think, for her to do just that. You are dealing with a woman who is incredibly media savvy. If anybody's going to be able to save her, it will be herself at the end of the day. She has to explain these inconsistencies and she's got to connect with the jury.
COLLINS: Thank you so much, you guys, for being with us.
Still to come this evening. Mobsters and a phone bill. How that connection may be costing unsuspecting callers a fortune.
And a little later. The pose, the concentration, the look, the body. It is all part of the catwalk.
COLLINS: Forget loansharking, gambling and prostitution, Mobsters may have a new racket to play with, your phone bill. U.S. officials say organized crime families raked in $200 million with a scam that was easy to do and hard to stop. CNN's Maria Hinojosa reports.
MARIA HINOJOSA, CNN CORRESPONDENT: TV mob star, Tony Soprano, sipping espresso at a sidewalk cafe and pulling off a garbage truck scam worth a couple thousand bucks in kickbacks.
JAMES GANDOLFINI, ACTOR: So they pay us 40 times a month for stealing a stop.
HINOJOSA: But federal prosecutors say, this is the face of the real life modern day mob, accused gambino crime family associates who, the feds say, have set aside garbage scams and gambling rackets in favor of a $200 million high tech consumer fraud scheme.
PETER ALVARADO, INTERNAL REVENUE SERVICE: They were falsely placing unauthorized charges on millions of consumers across the United States on their local telephone bills. These charges were for services that they didn't order.
HINOJOSA: This 66-page federal indictment accuses 11 men of being La Cosa Nostra associates who engaged in cramming, a sophisticated way of piggybacking bogus fees on to a consumer's monthly telephone bill.
JERRY CAPECI, COLUMNIST "NEW YORK SUN": Back in 1990, John Gotti said something along the lines, we don't want just guy that is can kill people, we want guy that is can earn and think and bring us lots of cash in the future.
HINOJOSA: Even the feds say the old mob has made way for the new.
JOSEPH FOY, IRS: The technology being used and the business savvy is coming to a higher level than what we see in traditional organized crime.
HINOJOSA: Perhaps even Tony Soprano is seeing it.
GANDOLFINI: (EXPLETIVE DELETED) Garbage business.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, I know. It is all change.
HINOJOSA: Lawyers for some of the accused say it is not about the old mob or the new mob. It's just some legitimate businessmen whose billing practices were the target of an investigation. And they say they won't accept any plea bargains and expect to win this case in court -- Heidi.
COLLINS: Maria Hinojosa tonight. Thanks so much, Maria.
Time now to check on tonight's "Current." Oliver Stone's new movie about Alexander the Great has hit some snags. Stone discovered that several reels of film were X-rayed, possibly by airport security or by the CIA in conjunction with the Mafia and tri-lateral commission.
"The Simpsons" finally gearing up for the big screen. The plot ifs very hush, hush, but rumor has it Homer does something annoyingly stupid.
"Forbes" magazine has named Yao Ming the top Chinese celebrity. Ranking him higher than action star Jet Li and the many other Chinese celebrities in this crazy Chinese celebrity obsessed culture of ours.
"The New York Post" reports a hideous fate has befallen Bobby Baclava of "The Sopranos." When the new season starts, it turns out, he married Tony's sister Janice. That's just wrong.
Fashion week hits New York, but there is more to strolling the catwalk than you might think. We'll find out how models tow the line. When we come back.
And tomorrow, our series on "Love and Sex" continues. Why does love stink? Jealousy, obsession and insecurity, could there be good reasons for all of that heartache? Join us tomorrow.
First, today's "Buzz." "Which plays a bigger role in having a great sex life?" The mind or the body. Vote now, CNN.com/360. The results when we come back.
COLLINS: Tonight, we give you the catwalk: the strut of the model. From its past to the future, the walk down the runway continues to evolve. Here is Jason Carroll with one tough assignment. (BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
JASON CARROLL, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Glamorous girls, beautiful clothes, no wonder no one really watches the way models walk until a slight stumble or fall. But look back a few decades and you'll see there was a walking evolution. The '60s and '70s, models were performers. No one better than Pat Cleveland.
PAT CLEVELAND, MODEL: You know they say the spirit makes you move and that's what I basically base my walking on.
CARROLL: The '80s gave birth to supermodels and super- personality.
TYRA BANKS, SUPERMODEL: What I like to do, is like like to kind of look to the left and right but keeping my face kind of forward to kind of peek at the audience while I'm walking.
CARROLL: The '90s brought minimalist clothes and strutting style. So, what about today?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I just walk. No.
CARROLL: There is Carolina's sultry strut, or Leah's laid back stride.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You know, it kind of like relaxed but not.
CARROLL: But most agree Gisell's walk, described in just 2 words, is the walk of the moment.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A horse. A very, very gorgeous one.
GISELLE BUNDERCHEN, MODEL: I have very small feet, I guess. I'm 5'11. So, I guess have to give long steps to not fall.
CARROLL: Not all models can or should walk like Gisell. So, in step's Jay Alexander to critique and teach how to walk.
JAY ALEXANDER, MODEL COACH: It is about taking what you have and making it work for you.
CARROLL: Few predictions for the future so just keep your eye on the catwalk. Jason Carroll, CNN, New York.
COLLINS: Not as easy as it looks.
Time for "The Buzz." We asked you, "which plays a bigger role in having a great sex life? The mind or body." 81 percent says it's the mind, 19 percent said it's the body, but some people wondered about skill. Not a scientific poll though, just your buzz.
I'm Heidi Collins. PAULA ZAHN begins right now.
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