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Interview with Sharon Osbourne

Aired February 12, 2004 - 21:00   ET


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Can you round up the crew?



LARRY KING, HOST (voice-over): Tonight, exclusive. Sharon Osbourne here to clear the air about those rumors surrounding the end of her talk show, her husband Ozzy's health after a recent near-fatal accident, her son Jack's battle with substance abuse and more. She never holds back. She's here for the hour. Sharon Osbourne exclusive next on LARRY KING LIVE.


KING: It's a great pleasure to welcome to LARRY KING LIVE, Sharon Osbourne, the matriarch of the Osbourne clan, wife of Ozzy, mother of Kelly, Jack, and Aimee, host of "The Sharon Osbourne Show." The new season of "The Osbournes" recently started on MTV. It airs Tuesday nights at 10:30 Eastern, has a new book out too called "Ordinary People: Our Story" by Ozzy and Sharon Osbourne with Aimee, Kelly, and Jack. But first, how are you?

OSBOURNE: I'm good. Thank you, Larry.

KING: First things first, what happened to the show?

OSBOURNE: They tell me the ratings weren't good. So they were not renewing my contract. So I do the shows through May 12. That's my last show day and then it's over.

KING: That's for the "Chicago Tribune" company, right?

OSBOURNE: It -- "Tribune," yes.

KING: "Tribune," yes.


KING: Well, how do you feel?

OSBOURNE: At first, you know, you get of oh, dear, no one wants to come and laugh. Nobody wants to lose, and I lost. And you kind of, like, hide for a day, and then you pick yourself up and you go in the big picture. In the scheme of life, it's nothing. I've been so blessed in my life. And you know, I'm a big girl, so I got to do what I really wanted to do and it's not like the standard line, I've met great people. I honestly have. I've had a complete blast doing it. I'm sorry that it had to go this way because at Christmas, after my husband's accident, I didn't know if I was able to ever come back. And I had to take three weeks off from the show.

KING: And that was it.

OSBOURNE: And before the holiday, I called and said, "You know, I don't know whether I can come back because I don't know the repercussions of my husband's injuries. So maybe I won't come back now." And they were like, no, we love you. We miss you. Please, please, you have to come back. We've got a contract. You must, must come back, like, we really miss you. So I came back. And the day before we started our new show, it's like fear, which is fine.

KING: But you said to them, hey, suits -- they're called the suits -- hey, suits, you told me you wanted me back.

OSBOURNE: I didn't get a chance because I don't have any contact with Tribune. I don't know anybody there. So it...

KING: So who told you this?

OSBOURNE: It's all through my lawyer. So they called my lawyer and it's like -- so I don't even know Mr. Tribune.

KING: Did the ratings go down because you were off?

OSBOURNE: I -- when I was away, they dropped, yes, a lot.

KING: So why should that stop them? Why don't they give it another shot with you back?

OSBOURNE: Because they're going into big business. They just bought "Jerry Springer" and they just bought "Maury." And that's really the kind of business that they want to be in. And I don't fit for what they want to do, which is fine.

KING: The kind of show you were doing...

OSBOURNE: Yes, which is fine. It's absolutely fine. You know I can take it. I'm in business too. And I get it. The only thing was if they had told me before Christmas, I wouldn't have come back.

KING: You wouldn't have come back?


KING: Would you like to try again?

OSBOURNE: Would I want to do it? Honestly, I want to -- I love doing TV. And you know when you've done it, it's the best thing to ever do. Everything that surrounds it...

KING: Whatever is in second place is distant.

OSBOURNE: Yes. And for me to say, "No, I never want to do it again," I'd be a liar. Of course, I do. But I would be -- feel better doing it with my husband.

KING: You would?


KING: So if it came back -- if they said let's do something, you would want it as a -- where you and your husband host the show?

OSBOURNE: Yes. I would do it...

KING: But Ozzy isn't your classic host, is he?

OSBOURNE: But neither am I, Larry. Look, I'm not either. But you know if -- it's like, you know, saying to someone, you know, you've had sex once and you can't have it again. You want it again. And I want to do another show.

KING: Other than having Ozzy come back. Is there anything you do -- Ozzy come back with you if you're doing a new show, other things you'd do differently?

OSBOURNE: Yes, I'm really not the sort of person to do games and superficial stuff. I'm really not that sort of person. And it's hard for me to play games with people that come on and, you know -- oh, let's do this card and you know, let's ask the audience. I'm not that sort of person, and it's hard for me to do it. And I'm not using that as an excuse to say, "Oh, well, I'm glad because I don't have to do that crap anymore." That's not -- so, I love doing it, but if I had my way, we'd do it differently.

KING: I see. So there were things -- don't do something you're not comfortable with?


KING: That's a good rule in television...

OSBOURNE: Yes, it is.

KING: the way. If it don't...

OSBOURNE: It is. And you know your gut's telling you one thing and...

KING: Your gut's usually right.

OSBOURNE: Your gut is always right. And then, you know, you turn around and you go, again. It was like at Christmas, Ozzy kept saying -- you're not going, "Put out the press release, do it, do it." I had my press release done. Put it out.

KING: Press release saying good-bye? OSBOURNE: Yes. And...

KING: By the way, legally, they couldn't have done anything because Ozzy was hurt, right? There's always an out. There's something.

OSBOURNE: But they said I asked if I could leave now and they said they'd sue me if I did. So I have to stay until May.

KING: What did your lawyers say?

OSBOURNE: You have to stay until May.

KING: So you'll be doing shows?

OSBOURNE: Yes, until May 14.

KING: Now, the MTV show, that still goes, right?


KING: Follow you around?


KING: Are they going to follow you around in London now if you're going back and you're not here?

OSBOURNE: Yes. Yes, they -- wherever we go.

KING: Wherever you are?


KING: Will Ozzy be on camera?

OSBOURNE: Ozzy's on camera now, yes.

KING: He is?

OSBOURNE: Yes. They stopped for four weeks from the day Ozzy had his accident to four weeks later. And then, they came back once he was able to walk. So then they came back.

KING: OK. The Ozzy accident, let's get into that. The Ozzy thing. First, how did you hear about it?

OSBOURNE: I was in bed. It was 6:00 in the morning. And our security guard came up and told me that Ozzy had...

KING: In bed here in L.A.?

OSBOURNE: In L.A -- that Ozzy's security guard from England had called through to my security guard to say they were on their way to the hospital in an RV.

KING: Did they tell you what happened on the phone?

OSBOURNE: See, they told me that he'd had a motorbike accident. And that was all that I knew. And...

KING: So what did you do?

OSBOURNE: I'm like, well, Ozzy has had accidents on his bike before. He's broken a leg and you know, a couple of ribs. And I'm like...

KING: He rides a motorcycle a lot?

OSBOURNE: In England, yes, he does. And I was thinking, oh, you know -- and then Jackie was there and Jack said to me, "Oh, mom, you know Dad's probably broken his leg again." And that was it. Then an hour later, the doctor called me from the hospital and said that they'd done the evaluation of all the -- and was reading me the list and said that it was critical and he was in a coma. And I'm like hold on now. This -- no -- I had no idea that it was that serious. And I was completely shocked. And it didn't -- it honestly did not hit me, to the seriousness of it until I arrived in England, which took me until the next day to get there.

KING: You couldn't go out that day?

OSBOURNE: I did, but you know, you travel through the night. So it was literally 24 hours after Ozzy had been operated on and was in the trauma unit. And I went in and I was just...

KING: During that period -- what's that like when you know someone is in peril and you got all these hours to get there?

OSBOURNE: As the -- my plane was taking off from Los Angeles to London, just as we were going down the runway, the airline let me use my cell phone because you're not meant to at that time, and Ozzy had just come out of surgery. And the doctor was giving me the report. And he told that the next 72 hours was crucial as to whether Ozzy would lose his arm or not. And so, I'm like OK...

KING: Who was on the flight with you?


KING: Not -- no children, no...



OSBOURNE: No, nobody.

KING: Just...

OSBOURNE: Just me.

KING: Sharon Osbourne flying alone? OSBOURNE: Yes.

KING: What was the flight like?

OSBOURNE: It was endless. It was endless...

KING: I'll bet.

OSBOURNE: ...and endless. And I kept trying to sleep, and you know, read, and whatever. Nothing.

KING: Taking your medications?

OSBOURNE: No, I -- because I was so scared I wanted to be fully, you know, aware of what was going on when I got there.

KING: Right back with more of Sharon Osbourne on this edition of LARRY KING LIVE. Don't go away.


OSBOURNE: Get down. Get down. Suck my foot. Suck it.




UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: The accident and emergency ward of Wexton Hospital playing host to rock star Ozzy Osbourne. The 55-year-old former frontman of Black Sabbath was seriously injured Monday in a quadbike (ph) accident at his large country estate just 10 miles away in rural Buckinghamshire.


KING: We're back with Sharon Osbourne of the Osbourne group, clan, the gang. All right, you land. Someone is waiting. They're right there at the airport I presume.

OSBOURNE: As I got off the airport in England, it's very different to here. They allow the press and cameras, TV cameras, to be right at the gate as the plane lands. So I had gotten out of the plane...

KING: In America you can't get down to the gate...

OSBOURNE: No. And so it was just -- it was all so surreal. I'm -- you know I'm coming off the plane in tears and there's all these film cameras. And they'd all been at the hospital for the last 24 hours, waiting outside for reports on Ozzy. And the doctors hadn't had anybody's permission to talk to the press, so they were all like, you know, what's happening? Is he going to make it? Is he not? And I was hit with this just as I got out of the plane. So I was like in a daze. KING: And did someone usher you through it...

OSBOURNE: They did. The police came to the gates. And the police got me through and...

KING: Did they escort you to the hospital too?

OSBOURNE: They escorted me to the hospital. I didn't even have to go through immigration. They were so...

KING: There were no customs?

OSBOURNE: They were so wonderful.

KING: That was very nice. Who arranged that?

OSBOURNE: My security with Ozzy in England did it, and the police, which is so brilliant. They just whisked me through and then just drove me straight to the hospital.

KING: All right. What happened when you got there? Where did you go?

OSBOURNE: Into the intensive care unit. And my husband was on a respirator. And there were tubes coming out of everywhere. And you know, there was one person after another on respirators in intensive care. There must have been maybe 10 other people in there with him. And I had never seen anything like it. It was like something from a movie. You never expect to see somebody that you love, you know, in that situation. And I couldn't -- I couldn't take it in.

KING: What happened in the accident? What -- did he hit something?

OSBOURNE: No, he didn't. He was on his -- it was a four-wheeler that he was on. And it's, you know, winter time. Everything is covered in leaves. And there was a big dip in our land, and he didn't see it because it was all covered in leaves.

KING: He was on your property?

OSBOURNE: Yes. And the bike -- he held on and it went down. And the bike flipped. And he held on, didn't let go.

KING: Wow!

OSBOURNE: And so he...

KING: He went down with the bike?

OSBOURNE: ...was face down and the bike crushed everything in the back.

KING: (UNINTELLIGIBLE) with Ozzy, was he drinking or on anything or...

OSBOURNE: No, he wasn't. He wasn't.

KING: No drugs, nothing?

OSBOURNE: No. He was -- it was like mid-day and you know, he was up. He was with his dogs. He was out and going to see the cows we've got out in the field. And he's going to see the cows.

KING: And so, in the hospital you got this 72-hour thing here now, what -- where he might lose his arm?


KING: That's still the case when you arrive?

OSBOURNE: Oh, yes, very much so because what had happened was his collarbone had totally shattered. And he now has a metal rod here. And the collarbone shattering had cut all the main arteries to his arm, so there was no blood flow in his arm. And it was actually dead. There was no pulse. There was no blood flow.

KING: It would wither.

OSBOURNE: It was...

KING: Wouldn't they have to take it off?

OSBOURNE: ... changing color -- it (UNINTELLIGIBLE). So what they did was, they took arteries from places in his body and replaced the arteries...

KING: It's like bypasses?

OSBOURNE: Yes. And then it was 72-hours whether it takes or not.

KING: All right. You knew he was going to live though, right?

OSBOURNE: We knew he was going to live. And we knew that from the CAT scan that there was no brain damage. But they didn't know about the arm and they didn't know what damage Ozzy would have to the rest of his body from his vertebra because he was unconscious. They couldn't get him to move his legs, his feet. So they didn't know as to what damage there was from that.

KING: Do you stay at the hospital?

OSBOURNE: Yes, I slept at his -- at his side. Yes.

KING: How long before he was able to speak to you?

OSBOURNE: Eight days.

KING: Eight days?


KING: Was he awake or in a coma eight days?

OSBOURNE: No, he was in a coma for eight days. He actually -- but he did kind of come around a couple of times, but he -- it wasn't like he could have a conversation because he had this -- you know, the tubes in his throat.

KING: So even though he was out like that, they knew he was going to live and they knew he didn't have brain damage or they discovered this later?

OSBOURNE: No, no, no. They knew -- they could tell by the CAT scans and everything that they had done on his head that he didn't have...

KING: How soon were they able to tell you they were going to save the arm?

OSBOURNE: Seventy-two hours later...

KING: How is his arm now?

OSBOURNE: His arm is good. It's -- everything is fine. And he just has to have physio to get the strength back in his arm...

KING: Can he play?

OSBOURNE: He can't even hold a cup in his arm right now.

KING: Both arms?

OSBOURNE: No, just the one that was damaged.

KING: So he couldn't play the guitar?

OSBOURNE: Nothing. He can't do anything with it. So everyday now, he does some physio. And it's getting there. It's getting stronger.

KING: How was his attitude once he was able to speak?

OSBOURNE: Very different, very confused. He had no recollection of what had happened, no recollection -- he didn't even know what country he was in. He knew nothing.

KING: Really?

OSBOURNE: No. He knew absolutely nothing.

KING: So you had to tell him what happened?

OSBOURNE: Yes. And then it wouldn't go in. And then the next day, it would be -- he thought all these different scenarios of what had happened to him and every day he was in another country. And it just didn't...

KING: Really? OSBOURNE: It took a long time for him to get back to...

KING: Does he now remember?

OSBOURNE: ... his life. No. He doesn't remember the accident at all. He doesn't remember anything before the accident of that day, nothing.

KING: How much rehab does he have to go through?

OSBOURNE: He has to go through about six months of physio.

KING: Is he home?

OSBOURNE: He's home. Yes, he's home.

KING: What's his attitude?

OSBOURNE: He's very frustrated. He's very, very frustrated.

KING: He wants to play. He wants to sing. He wants to...

OSBOURNE: He wants to do things -- we're -- you know, we're now, the kids and I, we're getting on with our lives. We have things to do. We've got, you know, things to get up for and do every day. And he has to sit there day after day after day.

KING: Can he walk?

OSBOURNE: Yes, he can. He can. He gets very tired quickly, but yes, he can walk.

KING: Can he go out to a movie?

OSBOURNE: Yes, he could. But you know he...

KING: He doesn't.

OSBOURNE: ...doesn't, no.

KING: What does he do? Does he read, watch television?

OSBOURNE: He watches television. He draws and complains because he loves to complain.

KING: Not a happy camper?

OSBOURNE: Right now, no. No, he's not.

KING: Has he sworn off bikes?

OSBOURNE: Yes, definitely. He'll never -- we're going to sell his -- in fact, to my -- for my charity, we're going to put his entire collection up for auction and...

KING: Really? OSBOURNE: ...put the money to good use. Yes.

KING: Is he in pain?

OSBOURNE: Yes, because he has -- recovering from eight broken ribs, forget the metal rod he has here, his arm, his vertebra. He's in a lot of pain. And this time it's kosher. So it's like for the first time he's got a really good reason to take pain pills.

KING: So that part...


KING: Yes, is he going to get hooked again? Is he going to be on an OxyContin kick?

OSBOURNE: He's -- no, not OxyContin. We...

KING: Not OxyContin?

OSBOURNE: Oh, no. We're very careful on what he takes. But unfortunately, because he will have been on it for so long, he's going to have to be weaned off that. You can't just stop that after being on it for nine months or six months. So he's being monitored. He has a pain management person that is with him and is dealing with that.

KING: Can he eat normally?

OSBOURNE: Now, because when he -- the accident first happened, he couldn't smell or taste.

KING: Really?


KING: Will his left arm eventually be OK? Will he play again?

OSBOURNE: Oh, yes, he can -- it will -- it will be fine. It will absolutely be fine.

KING: Have finger movement and all of that?


KING: Back with more of Sharon Osbourne. Never dull, the life of the Osbournes. Don't go away. We'll be right back.



UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Is there a key -- a keyhole.

OZZY OSBOURNE: They ain't never give me a (EXPLICATIVE DELETED). (UNINTELLIGIBLE) Key. I'm going to call and sue my studio. Absolutely, (UNINTELLIGIBLE). Don't touch anything. (END VIDEO CLIP)



UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It's a (UNINTELLIGIBLE) top and bottom. And you put in it just one, either a ring or bean or a tiny little figure resembling the (UNINTELLIGIBLE). And the person who gets that piece of cake with the ring in it, get...


OSBOURNE: You've given him with the T.V.

OZZY OSBOURNE: I the bread baking (EXPLICATIVE DELETED) channel on now.

OSBOURNE: What's the bread bag.

OZZY OSBOURNE: The bread baking channel (EXPLICATIVE DELETED). Bread baking (EXPLICATIVE DELETED) bread. (UNINTELLIGIBLE) (EXPLICATIVE DELETED) baboons (EXPLICATIVE DELETED) baking (EXPLICATIVE DELETED) homemade bread. I can't get anything.


KING: We're back with Sharon Osbourne. There's a lot of bases we're going to cover. She's also got a big, "Ordinary People." I understand you got a -- this was a series, like, of interviews with you and then written sort of by you and the family, right?

OSBOURNE: It wasn't written by us, no, Todd Gold. And...

KING: He wrote it?

OSBOURNE: Yes, he interviewed us...

KING: Based on what you told him?


KING: So you haven't read it yet?

OSBOURNE: Never. No. I never will.

KING: This is only the Osbournes. "Our Story" by Ozzy and Sharon Osbourne with Aimee, Kelly, and Jack. Their autobiography, which the author will not read.


KING: Do you think you're a little -- do you think that's a little weird?

OSBOURNE: Yes, because...

KING: Do you see yourself reliable?

OSBOURNE: Oh, you go, well, why did I say that or it came out wrong or then I get so pissed of with myself that I don't even -- I know it anyhow. So it's like I don't want...

KING: You're not...

OSBOURNE: read about myself or my kids.

KING: Assuming though the author got it right?

OSBOURNE: Yes, and if...

KING: (UNINTELLIGIBLE) should be interested in this -- did he get it right.

OSBOURNE: You know what? It's like it's now it's too late. When they sent it to me to proof read, I'm like who's got the time.

KING: Is Ozzy optimistic?

OSBOURNE: Ozzy -- to be 100 percent with you, Ozzy's never really optimistic. That's not who Ozzy is.

KING: As a person?

OSBOURNE: As a person.

KING: He's a pessimistic person?

OSBOURNE: Very much so, yes.

KING: So he's not going to have his spirits uplifted?


KING: He has not found God or has he?

OSBOURNE: You're going to have to ask him that but he's definitely changed. He's definitely changed.

KING: All right.

OSBOURNE: And it sounds weird to say at 55, but I think he's grown up an awful lot, an...

KING: No kidding?

OSBOURNE: ...awful lot. Yes.

KING: Because he's a boy. I mean he was a boy, right?


KING: In a man's body, of course.


KING: Do you think now -- this has matured him?

OSBOURNE: He's -- very much so, yes. He's really grown up. He says he's changed and he'll tell you when he's ready to come back. He'll tell you but he's changed.

KING: How's it for you?

OSBOURNE: It's just sometimes I think, Larry -- like I just said to you in the break, you know, the Osbournes could never plan a holiday. We can never plan ahead because so many things happen. And when things happen, it's never gray; it's also massively good or massively bad. There's no in between. And...

KING: Do you think you're responsible for the happening or that it happens to you?


KING: Or both?

OSBOURNE: Both, but I'm not going to sit here and say, you know, I'm a victim. I'm not. I'm not.

KING: So life for you now is? Well, I mean with Ozzy it is taking care of him?

OSBOURNE: Taking care of him and being there for him when he needs me. And he needs me now. And that's why it's frustrated that I can't just -- when you know that -- you know, you're working for something and it's a long time working for and it's not -- it's over in May and it's kind of frustrating and it takes the oomph out of going to work every day.

KING: Is it harder to do the show when you know it's going off?

OSBOURNE: Yes, because I have my husband and I would much rather be putting a 100 percent of my life right now with him.

KING: Can you have any kind of normal physical relationship with Ozzy now or is that going to take a while?

OSBOURNE: It's going to take a while.

KING: That must be hard because you two are passionate people.

OSBOURNE: Yes. It's -- you know, I'll put my arm around. And when we're in bed, I'm cuddling. Ooh, aahh, ooh.

KING: That's not fun.

OSBOURNE: No, it's not. KING: All right. Let's get to some other areas. Now, we must tell the audience we taped this on Friday, so we don't know what happened at the Grammy's if somebody is playing on Wednesday and -- so the Grammy's are over. They had a five -- what do you think of having a five-minute delay on that show?

OSBOURNE: You know one side of me, yes, I understand it, but the other side of me is like come on, it's 2004. And if we can watch somebody on the evening news getting shot, horribly injured, war, the sight of a beautiful woman and a beautiful part of her body is not offensive.

KING: Are you shocked that this is the largest amount of complaints ever with the FCC, over 200,000, that stations are complaining, that the networks have apologized?

OSBOURNE: Yes, I do. I honestly do.

KING: So to you this is not a big deal?

OSBOURNE: I'd be a hypocrite if I said, "Oh, you know, I was shocked," you know. It's the stunt that came -- it came off, you know, offensive to a lot people. But for me, with my sort of censorship that I had, no, it didn't -- it didn't offend me at all. She's a beautiful woman and...

KING: And I know you're...

OSBOURNE: ...I think woman's breasts are beautiful.

KING: I know you're good friends of Justin's.


KING: In fact, I sat next to him at your house, at your charity event, at dinner.


KING: He's a great guy, Justin Timberlake. He's really a nice -- he's a kind of sweet kid.

OSBOURNE: He's a good kid.

KING: How do you think -- what happened to him here?

OSBOURNE: I honestly don't know. But you know what, if you do it, own it. Owning it, did nothing wrong. Own it. Do you know what I'm saying?


OSBOURNE: Yes. You can't come up with an excuse, and I'm sure he was advised by people who handle -- you know his publicist and then the record company said, "You must say this and you must say that." But he's a big boy. He's bright. Just own it. KING: Because his own family was offended.

OSBOURNE: I think that they say -- I don't think they were offended by anything that he did. I think that they're just trying to, you know, apologize and...

KING: What do you think will be the affect if anything on their careers?

OSBOURNE: Well, right now, I know MTV is going crazy with what they think is, you know, too promiscuous in videos, and they dropped some of the videos.

KING: Oh, they have?

OSBOURNE: Oh, yes. I think they dropped eight videos because of the content.

KING: We'll be right back with more of Sharon Osbourne on this edition of LARRY KING LIVE. Don't go away.


OZZY OSBOURNE: I'm going to go over and see my studio. Don't touch anything. Don't (EXPLICATIVE DELETED) touch anything. Absolutely sound proof.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What's this for.


I'm going to go over and see my studio.


OZZY OSBOURNE: This is a high definition TV they're giving me. I like this.

I am going to go over and see my studio.

OSBOURNE: Never in a million (EXPLICATIVE DELETED) years.




KELLY OSBOURNE: I hate that one.


KELLY OSBOURNE: It looks like God is that you? It's stupid I hate it. I don't want my haha picture. I hate that. Mom, they're retarded, I'm not liking that one.


OSBOURNE: It's upside down Ozzy.


KING: All right. We're back with Sharon Osbourne.

Now what's your read on Michael Jackson?

OSBOURNE: It's -- to me it's so distasteful. It's so ugly, the whole scenario that's going on. Who knows? Who knows really what went on in that room or what he does in his own life? Nobody knows. He has to want it to himself and his God. And just the whole thing that surrounds it is so distasteful. It's just -- it's nasty, you know. And it's like the whole thing, too, has become like Barnum and Bailey Circus, you know. You can't wait for the next installment, you know, like what's he going to look like in court.

Is he going to sing next time, you know?

KING: What is it about him that causes people to come from Tokyo to go to an arraignment?

OSBOURNE: He's a very unusual person. I mean come on.

KING: A great talent?

OSBOURNE: Of course. That's undeniable. But he's a human being. You forget the talent, but there's a person and what he projects. I'm not going to say anything else on what I personally feel and I don't know him. I've never met him. But you know I sit there and I see he's a freak. Does he harm me? No, he doesn't harm me. I love his music. But as a person, I mean I would have never let my children over to his house. Would you let yours?

KING: To his first sleep over, no.


OSBOURNE: No, we wouldn't. It's the same way as, you know, if you said to me you'd like my son to come over and have a sleep over with you. I'd say, "Larry, get out of here." So because somebody says, "I'm a child. I'm Peter Pan. I like to climb trees. My kids can sleep over with you." But you're 45.

KING: So you question the parents?

OSBOURNE: Of course, I question the parents. And the thing is that celebrities and what surrounds -- well, he is the biggest celebrity in the world. It's -- people act very differently and people do things that they wouldn't normally do. And you tell me that any of those parents, if it was a 45 man that lived next door that had no money and couldn't sing, and was just a normal bloke, and said, "I want your son to come climb a tree with me, to sleep, and watch a video, and he can sleep in my bed." They'd call the police.

KING: But it doesn't make him a pedophile?

OSBOURNE: It does not. It does not. And you know that's the one thing, innocent until proven guilty. And as I say, he only has to answer to himself and his God. He didn't has to answer to you or me. He has to live with himself.

KING: A lot of that must have had to do with the way he was raised and...

OSBOURNE: I -- you know I don't know.

KING: He's a child.

OSBOURNE: But we can all -- and Larry, you know, nobody has a perfect upbringing. I think that this generation, yes, our kids have the perfect upbringing. I think none of us had a perfect upbringing. We can all be victims. We can all say, yes, but this happened and that's why I'm like this. To me, hey, you're a big guy, you know, move on. We can all play that. You know I've got the smallest (UNINTELLIGIBLE) in the world.

KING: So accept what life gave you?

OSBOURNE: Accept it and move on, you know. It -- everything in life cannot be perfect. Nobody's life is perfect.

KING: Didn't Ozzy say that -- I noticed it here in the (UNINTELLIGIBLE), but he had been abused as a child? Didn't he tell "The Daily Mirror" that?

OSBOURNE: Yes, he was abused as a child, both mentally and physically by his own mother, and mentally by other people -- physically. Yes, he was.

KING: He's discussed it with you?

OSBOURNE: No, he can't.

KING: What do you think it did to him? Can't -- he can't just walk away from it?

OSBOURNE: No. I mean it's affected his life horrendously so, and it made him very introvert, Larry. And I know you would understand that, but people watching wouldn't understand that he doesn't trust very many people. And he's...

KING: He's weary.

OSBOURNE: Very weary, yes.

KING: Does that make life hard with someone like that?

OSBOURNE: You know it's like I...

KING: The glass is half empty to Ozzy not half full, right?

OSBOURNE: It's always half empty.

KING: Always half empty?

OSBOURNE: Always half empty.

KING: Why do you love him so much?

OSBOURNE: Because he's honest. He's humble, and he's the only man in my life that I've ever really loved and who really, really loves me. And you know what, I ain't perfect. He's not perfect. But we accept what we are.

KING: You grew up with a very strong father, a very successful, strong father with a lot of ups and downs in that? Did that have an affect?

OSBOURNE: It had an affect that the way that I saw my father behave to other women and to his wife, it was -- I didn't want a man to do that to me. And I didn't want to be a woman that stayed at home to wait for my husband to come home every night.

KING: So you never were that way?

OSBOURNE: Never. I worked -- I started to work at age 15.

KING: And you worked for your dad, right?

OSBOURNE: For my dad, and then in the morning, before I started to work for him, I used to go and I used to clean a lady's apartment.

KING: Really.

OSBOURNE: And at night, I'd go work in a bar. At 15 I lied because of my age, I couldn't legally work in a bar.

KING: Were you a good agent?

OSBOURNE: Managing, Yes, I was. I was. I was pretty spunky. I was. Yes, mouthy.

KING: No kidding?


KING: Whereas they took the call when you called?

OSBOURNE: Or if they didn't -- and I still do it now -- if they don't pick up my calls then I'll pretend I'm somebody who's extremely important.

KING: Really?

OSBOURNE: Yes, and then they pick up the call and they go, "Hi, Frank," and I'm like sorry, it's Sharon.

KING: You might say Hillary Clinton calling. OSBOURNE: Absolutely, if I need to get through to that person, yes, sure.

KING: Oh, you'd be a great booker on a TV show.


OSBOURNE: I would. And I...

KING: You'd be a killer.


KING: We'll talk more with Sharon Osbourne of the Osbourne clan. And the new season of "The Osbourne's" recently started. It's back on MTV. Don't go away.



S. OSBOURNE: My darling Ozzie, for 20 years you've been my life partner. We have shared joys, sorrows, triumph and tragedy and everyday with you in my life is a blessing beyond my wildest dreams. Thank you for who you are, for all you have given me and for all that we will share together everyday for the rest of our lives.

I love you more than any words and any vows and any poetry can capture. I am priviledged to be my wife. And thank you for my babies.




K. OSBOURNE: I'm sick up it! I want a (EXPLETIVE DELETED) break! You haven't been there for all of it, mom!

S. OSBOURNE: When do you want the break, Kelly? Now? You want it this week?


S. OSBOURNE: Kelly, I'll get it for you.

Ozzie, go talk to her. She's sad. Go give her a hug.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She'll be all right.

O. OSBOURNE: Kelly? Kelly, can I come in?


K. OSBOURNE: (SCREECHING) KING: We're back with Sharon Osbourne. Let's discuss the children and how things -- by the way, would you like another child?

S. OSBOURNE: Oh, yes. I mean we...

KING: Does Ozzy want one?

S. OSBOURNE: Ozzy would love another child, but...

KING: Can you have a child?

S. OSBOURNE: No, not after my cancer. I can't. I'm too old anyway. I mean...

KING: Would you adopt?

S. OSBOURNE: Yes, I would. But I don't think that we will. I mean we keep going back and forth. And Ozzy is desperate for another child. And -- but I don't think -- I don't think anybody would let Ozzy adopt a child. Can you imagine Ozzy and I walking into an adoption place and saying, "Hi, we'd like a baby..."

KING: We're the Osbournes.

S. OSBOURNE: ... see you, yes. No way.

KING: Why does he want a child so much?

S. OSBOURNE: I think because he's at the time of his life now where he knows he can spend more time with a child. He has that time. He has the comfort that he doesn't have to work that much.

KING: Is he a good father?

S. OSBOURNE: Yes. He's a good guy. He's a good man.

KING: Good father now?

S. OSBOURNE: Yes. Much better, much better.

KING: Better even since the accident?

S. OSBOURNE: No, because you've got to get passed that moaning that he's doing right now.

KING: Yes.

S. OSBOURNE: But he's...

KING: I think he will be though if he's matured.

S. OSBOURNE: Yes, definitely. I think so.

KING: All right. Your son, let's discuss Jack. He went -- he spent two months in a detox facility for drug -- he was into OxyContin, right? S. OSBOURNE: Yes, he was.

KING: That thing that's now -- with Rush Limbaugh use?

S. OSBOURNE: Oh, yes. Oh.


KING: The fighter against drug use.

S. OSBOURNE: Yes, yes.

KING: What does that do to you?

S. OSBOURNE: It made me feel bad as a mom. It made me feel like I'd failed terribly, that I'd let him down. Yes.

KING: So you took it personally?

S. OSBOURNE: Oh, yes.

KING: You didn't say, "That's the way of the world."

S. OSBOURNE: No, no, no.

KING: How is Jack now?

S. OSBOURNE: He's brilliant. He's brilliant.

KING: What's he doing?

S. OSBOURNE: He's doing "The Osbournes." He's living his life. He adores his program that he lives by every day. He's got a whole new group of friends that he surrounds himself with. And...

KING: Does he have a lot of help or does he do it on his own?

S. OSBOURNE: He had help, good help, really good help. And he goes out and he lectures at schools. And he's doing good, you know.

KING: I can see it in your eyes, you're very proud.

S. OSBOURNE: Yes, I am.

KING: How's Kelly?


S. OSBOURNE: There's still tirades. She's doing really good. She's busy working on her second record because you know at Christmas, Ozzy and Kelly had a No.1 single in Europe.

KING: Oh, really?

S. OSBOURNE: They did. They had a duet that was No. 1.

KING: About the Christmas song?

S. OSBOURNE: It's a song that Ozzy had written many years ago. And they decided to record it together. And it's so -- they had it -- he had a No. 1 at Christmas and didn't know it.

KING: So that's her career, music, right?

S. OSBOURNE: And now she's just got a big part in an ABC show that's going to -- she's going to be filming it in March 4...

KING: A movie?

S. OSBOURNE: It's TV for Canada. It's going to be a TV series.

KING: A series?


KING: No kidding?


KING: And how about Aimee?

S. OSBOURNE: Aimee is moving to New York. She's pursuing her singing career. And she's decided that she likes New York because it reminds her of London but yet she's still in America. So she's moving there.

KING: She misses London?

S. OSBOURNE: She does. She really does.

KING: Would you say now at this point the kids are all doing OK?

S. OSBOURNE: They are, yes. They are.

KING: In not the easiest of circumstances?

S. OSBOURNE: No. You know they've had to deal with a lot of things that not too many kids have to deal with at such a young age. They dealt with things that people, you know, live a lifetime and never get to have to deal with emotionally. And they dealt with it, and they've come through the other side. They're doing good.

KING: We'll be back with our remaining moments with Sharon Osbourne. Don't go away.



J. OSBOURNE: Gloria, can you go and tell Sam to turn the sprinklers on because there are a whole bunch of people on the law. Thanks. Bye.


J. OSBOURNE: I (EXPLETIVE DELETED) hate everyone in this (EXPLETIVE DELETED) family.




S. OSBOURNE: I'm going in.

J. OSBOURNE: No, you're not.

S. OSBOURNE: I've got an appointment.

J. OSBOURNE: So (EXPLETIVE DELETED) what. It can be cancelled.

S. OSBOURNE: Jack, I am not dying. I am not a cripple.

J. OSBOURNE: Mom, wait, what did you just have done to you -- oh yeah, chemotherapy, wow!

S. OSBOURNE: Jack, it's nothing. It doesn't even effect you until 2 days afterwards.

J. OSBOURNE: Yes, well, how about you know, maybe if you rest a little before this 2 days after, it won't be as bad.

S. OSBOURNE: Jack, I am fine, please.

J. OSBOURNE: You know why you got sick last time? It's because you going out.

S. OSBOURNE: No, I didn't go out. I haven't been out for a month, Jack. I want to go dinner with my girlfriend. Please, that's all I'm doing.


KING: Now, let's discuss the cancer. You had cancer of what?

S. OSBOURNE: The colon.

KING: Now that can be a death sentence.


KING: Had you taken colonoscopy?

S. OSBOURNE: No, I hadn't.

KING: Mistake?

S. OSBOURNE: Big mistake. Never used to go to the doctor, never used to go for any tests, nothing ever. KING: How did they discover it?

S. OSBOURNE: Ozzy made me go for a test.

KING: Did you have pain or something?

S. OSBOURNE: I was really tired and -- but you're always tired in this job. You know the hours that we work are so crazy. And I was -- you know we'd be on the road and I wouldn't get to bed until 4. Then I'm up at 8 and I would always blame that. And I went for one test and they said that I was really, really badly anemic in a way that I must be bleeding from somewhere. So they went and they did a test on my tummy, a test on my colon. And then they found it.

KING: How did they tell you?

S. OSBOURNE: I was in New York with Kelly. She was working in New York. And I got a phone call from the doctor and said that I had Stage 2 colon cancer.

KING: Just like that?


KING: First reaction?

S. OSBOURNE: I actually dropped the phone. I dropped the phone and just -- I went into the corner of the room and just curled up in a ball.

KING: And did you tell Ozzy?

S. OSBOURNE: Yes. He was in L.A. And I got on a plane that day, flew back to L.A. And I remember it, Ozzy came on a little golf cart onto the tarmac. And he was all dressed up, getting -- wanted to look handsome for me. And he was in an evening suit and an evening coat. And we went on that golf cart to the car, to the hospital. And two days later, I was operated on.

KING: And you had told him about it on the phone?


KING: The operation was successful? Do they know they got it all or...

S. OSBOURNE: The operation was successful, but it had gone into my lymph nodes. So that's why I had to have chemo for so long because it had gone into my lymph nodes.

KING: There was thoughts, rumors, a lot, that you were dying. Were you ever dying?

S. OSBOURNE: What happened was the chemo -- because it's -- you know you can't say, "Well, this is how much is right for you chemo and so give her this much." You know it's all... KING: Trial and error?

S. OSBOURNE: ...trial and error. And I was a having a really bad time with the chemo and I was having big setbacks. And one time I was in the hospital for nearly two weeks and I had to have blood transfusions. And I went into a coma. And with...

KING: It's a bitch?

S. OSBOURNE: Yes. It is.

KING: How did you finally -- how do you know it's gone, it's over?

S. OSBOURNE: I do. I mean you never do. I -- what is it they say if you're clean...

KING: Five years.

S. OSBOURNE: ...for five years, three years. You know it's like whatever my fate is I'm ready for it.

KING: How long -- how often do you have it checked?

S. OSBOURNE: Every six months. I just had it done, in fact, yesterday.

KING: You're OK?


KING: What happened at the Grammy's?

S. OSBOURNE: The Grammy's contacted us in January to see whether Ozzy could present. And I'm like whoa. I don't think he can be walking at that time. And they said, "Well, if Ozzy is walking, we want him to come on the Grammy's and be his first public appearance and present an award." And it sort of has given him something to work toward.

I'm really happy for Ozzy because, you know, Ozzy should be at the Grammy's. It's his peer group. He should be there. He belongs to be there. That's it. You know that's his family.

KING: Anything you haven't done you want to do?

S. OSBOURNE: Probably write my life story.

KING: In your own words?

S. OSBOURNE: In my own words and you know, (UNINTELLIGIBLE).

KING: You had some life...

S. OSBOURNE: Some life.

KING: ...for someone young -- how old are you?

S. OSBOURNE: Fifty-one.

KING: Well, you don't look it. Do you feel it? Yes, you must feel it with all you've been through.

S. OSBOURNE: No, I don't. I honestly don't. Yes, my mind -- I'm comfortable in my body. I'm comfortable with who I am now. And I think that that takes years. Yes. You can't do that when you're younger. I think that's a gift that we get when we get older. I'm very confident. I'm very comfortable with who I am.

And I'm beginning to like myself more. And I think that that happened a lot after my cancer because the best thing really to ever happen to me was my cancer. For my character and my soul, it made me a better person.

KING: Thank you, Sharon.

S. OSBOURNE: OK. Thank you, Larry.

KING: Good lady. Sharon Osbourne, we thank you very much for joining us. I'll be back in a minute. Don't go away.


O. OSBOURNE: If you can't 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, you can't find some time in the period for yourself -- then, can we have sex again?

S. OSBOURNE: 9 months.

O. OSBOURNE: (EXPLETIVE DELETED) 9 months! You're joking?

S. OSBOURNE: No, it's true. No, he'll get chemo in him if he has sex with me. You'll get chemo...

O. OSBOURNE: I don't mind having a glowing (EXPLETIVE DELETED)...



KING: Thanks for joining us on this edition of LARRY KING LIVE. A wonderful hour with Sharon Osbourne, an extraordinary lady.

Stay tuned now for "NEWSNIGHT WITH AARON BROWN." That's next. Good night.



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