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Aired March 07, 2004 - 16:30 ET
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BOB FRANKEN, CNN ANCHOR, CNN SUNDAY: Changing school it's coming up next. First, the latest developments.
In Iraq, there is violence ahead of tomorrow's expected signing of an interim constitution. Seven rockets were fired in the central Baghdad area where the document is to be signed. Five of them hit the hotel wounding an employee.
Jesus is still a superstar at the box office. "The Passion of the Christ" is the top weekend box office draw. It took in an estimated $51 million in its second weekend. The new film "Starsky and Hutch" and "Hidalgo" round out the top three.
And the Mars rover is on the move this weekend, the Opportunity has been moving toward new rocks to drill. The rover Spirit is rolling toward a crater called Bonava. Both of these unites have from found evidence of past water on the red planet.
Important news now for parents of school-age children. The Department of Education plans to ease restrictions on single gender classes. There are only a few public single sex classes in the United States right now, but that soon maybe changing. Kathleen Koch explains.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: One, three then I multiply.
KATHLEEN KOCH, WASHINGTON, (Voice over): In an all boys' math class.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Small squares and...
KOCH: And an all girls class, separate but equal is how Jefferson Leadership Academy, is a California public school, describes its style of teaching.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I teach the boys the same thing that I teach the girls. I teach the girls the same I teach the boys. I don't discriminate with anything.
KOCH: Now the Bush administration has proposed relaxing restrictions so more public schools can opt for single sex classes.
BRIAN JONES, GENERAL COUNSE: DEPT. OF EDUCATION: What we're doing here is diversifying the education marketplace by bringing yet another option to the table for parents. The fact of the matter is, that for some kids, single sex education seems to make sense.
KOCH: But critics point out the new rules doesn't require equal numbers of same-sex classes. So an all-girls math class may be set up but not an all-boys class. Opponents also worry the practice may reinforce stereotypes and hamper students' ability to work with the opposite sex.
KIM BANDY, NATL. ORGANIZATION FOR WOMAN: That's where we learn teamwork. We learn how to get along. How to work together. When you take boys or girls out of the classroom, the result is that they don't learn the things that they need to learn in order to work together as adults.
KOCH: Most importantly, even the U.S. Department of Education admits research on the academic benefits of same-sex classes is incomplete. Most Jefferson students, though, say they prefer them.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It's nice, actually, because when you're in the same-sex classes, you can ask questions you wouldn't ask in front of the boys because you'd be too embarrassed.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I don't pay attention to the girls and stuff. I just pay attentions to my work and the books and stuff.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I'm not distracted from the boys, and you just learn more, at your own pace in a classroom with all girls.
KOCH: Jefferson's test scores are up. Its principal a believer in the single-sex option.
HELEN COMPTON-HARRIS, PRINCIPLE, JEFFERSON LEADERSHIP ACADEMIES: We're working together and take chances academically that they may not normally take in a co-ed environment.
KOCH: Kathleen Koch, CNN, Washington.
(END VIDEOTAPE)
FRANKEN: In schools and communities across the country, bullying is a growing concern for parents, teachers and students. While many children suffer psychologically, they're usually too afraid or to embarrassed to talk about it. The Department of Health and Human Services focused on the problem this week, it launched a new campaign called "Stop Bullying Now" to educate people on how to prevent bullying and youth violence.
For more practical tips, on how to protect your child, parenting expert and the best selling author Barbara Coloroso joins us from Denver. Her most recent book is called "The Bully, the bullied, and the Bystander." For the most part Barbara, the reaction has always been to the bullying that, oh, it's just something children do. Don't worry about. It's part of growing up. That's not true, is it?
BARBARA COLOROSO, PARENTING EXPERT: No, boys will be boys. Girls just want to be mean is a myth that we ignore or perpetuate at our children's peril. 160,000 young people today stay home from school every day for fear of further bullying. It's not a normal conflict. It's not something any child should have to go through.
FRANKEN: Well, it's an interesting subject, because it's really come into prominence recently because of what happened at Columbine High School. Maybe you could explain that a little bit more.
COLOROSO: Although many people would deny it, the stories have come out and even in Eric's suicide note, he related the number of times he was tormented by his peers, and Brook Brown, a student at Columbine, wrote in his latest book about the number of times both Eric and Dylan were tormented from middle school on about their size, supposedly being very small and being called gay, fags, queer by a group of boys in the lunch room while they were squirted with mustard and ketchup.
It doesn't excuse what Eric and Dylan did but it should bring to mind that some kids cannot nor should they have to put up with that kind of torment every single day as they sit in school.
FRANKEN: Well beyond that extreme example, what's the harm of it? As I said, people have always said its just part of the process. It toughens you up in effect.
COLOROSO: Well you know there are three characters in the title, the bully, the bullied and the bystander. These are three roles in a horrific tragedy. And it isn't only the targeted kid who is affected. Bullies don't learn good relational skills; they don't learn how to be a friend. They don't learn how to interact in an effective way, other than controlling other human beings.
Targets don't do well in school, because how could you study math and concentrate on it, when you're worried about how to get to English class safely? And the bystanders, there are no innocent bystanders. We have to say, what were they doing there in the first place? Were they joining in with the bully, were they cheering the bully on, were they getting quiet pleasure from somebody else's pain?
Were they turning a blind eye as many adults often do? Or were they afraid to step in, not liking what one girl was doing to another girl, telling her she can't be a part of this class. Or a part of this group at lunchroom. But afraid if I step in, I'll be next. If I step in, I'll make it worse for the target, or I don't even know how to step in. I would like kids, and the purpose of my book, was not only to bring an awareness of how devastating it can be for all three characters, but to the teach young people that since bullying happens under the radar of adults.
It is bystanders who can become witnesses, who can stand up and speak out. Who can step in, who can say, leave her alone? Back off. Do you feel cool now? As one boy did at Columbine just recently, when a young boy who was mentally retarded being tormented, Ty Worjas (ph), a sophomore soccer player walked up and said do you feel cool now? Does that make you feel big? And he said they looked at me kind of strangely, but the bullying stopped.
And we have to remember that kids verbally bully, physically bully and relationally bully. There are three ways kids do it. FRANKEN: Well the preparation, of course, starts in the home, as you know. And as you point out, what can the loving parent tell the child who they're concerned is being bullied?
COLOROSO: If a child is being targeted, there are some things we want to do and some things we don't want to do. We have to first say to a kid, I believe you. I hear you. You're not in this alone. My favorite singer is not Marilyn Manson, but he was Erik and Dylan's. And to me the most powerful line in "Bowling for Columbine" was when Michael Moore said to Marilyn Manson what would you have said to those boys Erik and Dylan?
He said I wouldn't have said anything I would have listened to what they have to say. So we have to here them, we have told them it's not your fault. We often blame the target. A young girl with flaming red hair came up to me and she said it wasn't until I read your book that I realized it was not my fault in grade nine that they set fire to my hair.
FRANKEN: OK, well let's talk about the warning signs in the little bit of time we have left.
COLOROSO: They're not going to come home and say, guess what they did to me today. Kids are ashamed they've been targeted. So you want to look -- is my child suddenly not interested in school when he always loved to go to school? Is there a drop in the grades? Again, how can you concentrate on math when you're afraid? Unexplained injuries, torn or missing clothing and the kid just write it off. And says oh I left it somewhere, or I caught it on a fence. Does your child have stomachaches? Panic attacks? Are they not sleeping well? Are they sleeping too much? But never on holidays. Those are clues.
FRANKEN: Barbara I guess and it's old fashioned to suggest to the kid that, it used to be suggested that you pound the living daylights out of the kid.
COLOROSO: Well on a one on one fight, that may work. But bullying, there is always an imbalance of power. Those kids that do not pick on your kid because he looked like Arnold Schwarzenegger. They knew they could get him.
FRANKEN: Barbara Coloroso thank you very much for your time. It is a subject that's gauged a lot of currency and one that is always a very difficult subject.
COLOROSO: Thank you.
FRANKEN: Another difficult subject has been what so often happens to people. Though he's virtually disappeared from public views since his campaign sputtered to a close, Howard Dean's true believers are pressing on with his cause. Tonight CNN presents shows you life inside the Dean campaign as it began to collapse.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
JOE TRIPPI, DEAN CAMPAIGN MANAGER: It's the people stupid is what I would title -- no. It's the people, stupid. It is the subject line. Do not change the subject line. I just said it. It's the people, stupid.
HOWARD DEAN, (D) PRESIDENTIAL CANIDATE: 1992, Bill Clinton said, it's the economy, stupid. This time, it's the people, stupid. Washington's going to change and we're going to change it. Thank you very much.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Committed news. He said Clinton said in 19 --
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: People stupid.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: People don't go with that; they're out of their minds. That's what the campaign's about.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's the people stupid. Has anybody used it? He's been saying it the last two stops.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That's the message. Don't we deserve to at least get our message out?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Here's the attack. What's your response? Here's the attack. What's your response? And when you get through all that, you have no message.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It seems like the other candidates are closing in.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We'll see on Monday. We're -- we don't see that. We're going to win.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How's the blog handling all this? You know, the polls saying it's a dead heat, all of that kind of stuff. How are they reacting?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Some of doing the sky is falling. Some people are saying it's not about the sky falling. You got to be positive. People are (INAUDIBLE). There is definitely some of the freaking out attitude.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The real story is John Kerry he had a 25- point night last night.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Kerry 25, us 19, Gephardt 19. You know what I think?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If we get into a back and forth with Gephardt, who benefits from that? Not either one of us, not this late.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Edwards.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Kerry or Edwards.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I know. Can you get me -- now! Too many glitches at this stage in the game.
FELIX SCHEIN, NBC NEWS REPORTER: What, down to five days before the Iowa caucus? And the campaign seems to be lacking in structure.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Does anybody know why headquarters isn't answering the phone?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I don't know but neither is the hot line. The hot line's not answering either.
SCHEIN: There is not a good understanding of how to deal with the press.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Where's she going to be?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Confirmed.
SCHEIN: The governor himself hasn't been on lately, he has been tinkering with his message, been tinkering with his style.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Next time when you pick him up, turn to the cameras and pick him up.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: These are the cameras.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Thank you very much, you're wonderful. Thank you.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You guys have a nice day.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Thank you so much. Vote for Dean!
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Governor Dean the other day complained that Joe Trippi was getting more press than Governor Dean was getting.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Your really real.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hey, hey!
(END VIDEO CLIP)
FRANKEN: And true believer is life inside the Dean campaign, airs tonight at 8:00 p.m. Eastern here on CNN.
It's been a rocky road for one former California athlete.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I didn't think I'd ever be on the front page here are the "Star Telegram." You know?
(END VIDEO CLIP)
FRANKEN: Up next, we'll tell you how this man went from the boxing ring to a homeless shelter, to the Hall of Fame.
Plus, it's a showdown down in Florida. Baseball rivals are meeting once again. We'll take you to the battleground.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
FRANKEN: In sports, Arod is brings his a-game to the field during spring training. Alex Rodriguez and his New York Yankees beat the Boston Red Sox in exhibition play 11-7. As we all know it is one of baseball's hottest rivalries. CNN's Ray D'Alessio has more from the Red Sox's training camp at Fort Myers, Florida.
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RAY D'ALESSIO, CNN CORRESPONDENT: For six straight years now the Red Soxs finished second to the Yankees in their division. But during the off-season it appeared as though the Red Sox had closed that gap. They went out, they got two quality pitchers in Kurt Schilling and Keith Falk. Of course Schilling has beaten the Yankees once before in the World Series as a member of the Arizona Diamondbacks. Then there was the potential trade for A-Rod a deal was already in place, but of course that deal fell through. Arod went to the Yankees and now the Red Sox are back to square one.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There wasn't a person on this planet that's a baseball fan that didn't think Arod was going to be a Red Sox.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It didn't bother me until the Yankees signed them. I mean you know I obviously the Yankees sure a good club but they got better getting the best player in the game and that was a little bit frustrating.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There is no bigger punching the gut for a Red Sox player and a fan than for them to get Arod. But you know it is over with.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We're very excited to start the season. Because it is just like yesterday walking off that field and having that taste of game seven in the Yankee Stadium and we're now preparing and everybody's hungry.
D'ALESSIO: Now if you're keeping score at home, last year during the regular season the Yankees went 10-9 against the Red Sox, then came the American League Championship series when the Yankees won that in game seven. With all the new faces this year you can expect the rivalry will remain just at tight. Ray D'Alessio, CNN, Fort Myers, Florida.
FRANKEN: While baseball is just getting started, college basketball is headed for a big finish. It looks like March madness will ensue with only one undefeated team. Previously top ranked unbeaten Stanford lost its last regular season game yesterday falling to Washington 75-62 and that means that St. Joseph enters the postseason as the only undefeated team in division 1.
In the world of boxing, comebacks are part of the game, as we know. But one former welterweight championship contender has made a comeback outside of the ring. Ernie Lopez has gone from homeless to hero. He was inducted in the California Boxing Hall of Fame last night. Reporter Barry Carpenter a CNN affiliated KVAF in Dallas, Ft. Worth has the story.
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BARRY CARPENTER, KVAF: It's been a long road for 58-year-old former welterweight contender Ernie Indian Lopez. He arrived a DFW, with a one-way ticket to Los Angeles, and a newspaper with him on the front page.
ERNIE LOPEZ, BOXING HALL OF FAME, INDUCTED: I didn't think I'd ever be on the front page of the "Star Telegram." You know?
CARPENTER: But Lopez was no stranger to the sports page or boxing magazines. That is him in his Indian Red warm-up and here at a 1970 title fight loss to Jose Naplos (ph). He and his wife divorced in 1972. Then in 1973, he lost another title fight to Napalas. Those loses were apparently so devastating, that Lopez simply disappeared wandering the country for years, ultimately winding up here at a Ft. Worth homeless shelter.
Lopez would sometimes contact family members but for the past ten years he vanished. Family members in Los Angeles found out that Lopez had been inducted into the California Boxing Hall of Fame and L.A. police tracked him to this shelter and this bed. Now he and his tattered duffel bag are off to L.A.
LOPEZ: They got a hold of me and said they're going to put me in the Boxing Hall of Fame down in California. I got a pretty good record, so.
CARPENTER: 51-10-1 to be exact. But his biggest win may be seeing his family again. Former wife, four kids and 23 grandchildren who won't let him disappear again.
LOPEZ: That's what they told me, they said, you better start keeping in touch with us.
CARPENTER: The Presbyterian Night Shelter has been his home for months. Friends there say the once fear fighter is incredibly humble.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We didn't even know he boxed. He doesn't go around talking about it. He's just humble. He's genuinely a nice guy.
CARPENTER: Lopez may have never been a world-boxing champion, but he's earned the title of L.A.'s most wanted dad.
LOPEZ: That's going to be nice. That will be good. Not too many people get that opportunity, I don't believe. But I'm thankful that I got it.
CARPENTER: In Dallas, Barry Carpenter for CNN.
(END VIDEOTAPE)
FRANKEN: Well, you may have missed the hoopla on Friday, but still to come on "CNN Live Sunday," it's not a new dance and they're not trying to catch a taxi. How motioning of the arms and of the hips can send the right or wrong signals.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
FRANKEN: A probation office in New York tomorrow will set restrictions Martha Stewart must live with until her sentencing June 17. The jury Friday found her guilty of conspiracy, obstruction and making false statements to investigators. Stewart says she'll appeal the verdict. The conviction threatens her homemaking business empire as well as her personal freedom. When there are no cameras aloud in the courtroom, the competition to report the verdict can be intense. In the case of Martha Stewart media outlets had to come up with, how should we stay, creative ways to get the word out. CNN's Jeanne Moos reports.
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JEANNE MOOS, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): All eyes were on the courthouse door when the equivalent of Paul Revere appeared. Instead of one if by land, this one up raised arm meant guilty. Like a coach sending signals to his team, these may look like sports fans, they, too, were signaling, and all of those numbered signs stood for criminal counts, red for guilty.
CHRIS HUNTINGTON, CNNfn CORRESPONDENT: Count one, guilty.
MOOS: It may look like they were judging skating, but this was how the judgment against Martha was flashed to TV reporters trying to beat the competition. No wonder one network got it wrong at first.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Not guilty.
MOOS: The media signals were so sophisticated, they could have made it into one of Martha's publications, "Organizing Good Things." But the only good thing for defendant Peter Bacanovic was a single green side amid the red.
HUNTINGTON: He's not guilty apparently on the count regarding making false documents.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The verdict was read; the doors burst open, people just sprinting out.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It was complete mayhem; I've never run so fast in my life. A couple girls were ready to trip me, but --
MOOS: The most vigorous signalers were the scarf wavers waving sinfully red scarves. All we can tell you is they work for Fox News channel, they would not reveal their system, were scarves of a different color if the verdict had been not guilty? One waver worried she's become a media joke. But who needs a scarf, the guilty verdict was written all over her face. Jeanne Moos, CNN, New York.
(END VIDEOTAPE)
FRANKEN: Well, that is all the time we have for now. Coming up on "NEXT@CNN" there is a new theory about why Stradivarius musical instruments sound so good. It may have something to do with the climate than anything the famous violinmaker did.
And than at 6:00 Eastern on "CNN Live Sunday," new medical guidelines will be coming out this spring regarding treatment for children's earaches. Many parents may not be too happy with the recommendations. Then at 7:00 Eastern, a profile of the fallen domestic diva Martha Stewart. Thanks for joining us. I'll be back with the headlines after a quick break.
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Aired March 7, 2004 - 16:30 ET
THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.
BOB FRANKEN, CNN ANCHOR, CNN SUNDAY: Changing school it's coming up next. First, the latest developments.
In Iraq, there is violence ahead of tomorrow's expected signing of an interim constitution. Seven rockets were fired in the central Baghdad area where the document is to be signed. Five of them hit the hotel wounding an employee.
Jesus is still a superstar at the box office. "The Passion of the Christ" is the top weekend box office draw. It took in an estimated $51 million in its second weekend. The new film "Starsky and Hutch" and "Hidalgo" round out the top three.
And the Mars rover is on the move this weekend, the Opportunity has been moving toward new rocks to drill. The rover Spirit is rolling toward a crater called Bonava. Both of these unites have from found evidence of past water on the red planet.
Important news now for parents of school-age children. The Department of Education plans to ease restrictions on single gender classes. There are only a few public single sex classes in the United States right now, but that soon maybe changing. Kathleen Koch explains.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: One, three then I multiply.
KATHLEEN KOCH, WASHINGTON, (Voice over): In an all boys' math class.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Small squares and...
KOCH: And an all girls class, separate but equal is how Jefferson Leadership Academy, is a California public school, describes its style of teaching.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I teach the boys the same thing that I teach the girls. I teach the girls the same I teach the boys. I don't discriminate with anything.
KOCH: Now the Bush administration has proposed relaxing restrictions so more public schools can opt for single sex classes.
BRIAN JONES, GENERAL COUNSE: DEPT. OF EDUCATION: What we're doing here is diversifying the education marketplace by bringing yet another option to the table for parents. The fact of the matter is, that for some kids, single sex education seems to make sense.
KOCH: But critics point out the new rules doesn't require equal numbers of same-sex classes. So an all-girls math class may be set up but not an all-boys class. Opponents also worry the practice may reinforce stereotypes and hamper students' ability to work with the opposite sex.
KIM BANDY, NATL. ORGANIZATION FOR WOMAN: That's where we learn teamwork. We learn how to get along. How to work together. When you take boys or girls out of the classroom, the result is that they don't learn the things that they need to learn in order to work together as adults.
KOCH: Most importantly, even the U.S. Department of Education admits research on the academic benefits of same-sex classes is incomplete. Most Jefferson students, though, say they prefer them.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It's nice, actually, because when you're in the same-sex classes, you can ask questions you wouldn't ask in front of the boys because you'd be too embarrassed.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I don't pay attention to the girls and stuff. I just pay attentions to my work and the books and stuff.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I'm not distracted from the boys, and you just learn more, at your own pace in a classroom with all girls.
KOCH: Jefferson's test scores are up. Its principal a believer in the single-sex option.
HELEN COMPTON-HARRIS, PRINCIPLE, JEFFERSON LEADERSHIP ACADEMIES: We're working together and take chances academically that they may not normally take in a co-ed environment.
KOCH: Kathleen Koch, CNN, Washington.
(END VIDEOTAPE)
FRANKEN: In schools and communities across the country, bullying is a growing concern for parents, teachers and students. While many children suffer psychologically, they're usually too afraid or to embarrassed to talk about it. The Department of Health and Human Services focused on the problem this week, it launched a new campaign called "Stop Bullying Now" to educate people on how to prevent bullying and youth violence.
For more practical tips, on how to protect your child, parenting expert and the best selling author Barbara Coloroso joins us from Denver. Her most recent book is called "The Bully, the bullied, and the Bystander." For the most part Barbara, the reaction has always been to the bullying that, oh, it's just something children do. Don't worry about. It's part of growing up. That's not true, is it?
BARBARA COLOROSO, PARENTING EXPERT: No, boys will be boys. Girls just want to be mean is a myth that we ignore or perpetuate at our children's peril. 160,000 young people today stay home from school every day for fear of further bullying. It's not a normal conflict. It's not something any child should have to go through.
FRANKEN: Well, it's an interesting subject, because it's really come into prominence recently because of what happened at Columbine High School. Maybe you could explain that a little bit more.
COLOROSO: Although many people would deny it, the stories have come out and even in Eric's suicide note, he related the number of times he was tormented by his peers, and Brook Brown, a student at Columbine, wrote in his latest book about the number of times both Eric and Dylan were tormented from middle school on about their size, supposedly being very small and being called gay, fags, queer by a group of boys in the lunch room while they were squirted with mustard and ketchup.
It doesn't excuse what Eric and Dylan did but it should bring to mind that some kids cannot nor should they have to put up with that kind of torment every single day as they sit in school.
FRANKEN: Well beyond that extreme example, what's the harm of it? As I said, people have always said its just part of the process. It toughens you up in effect.
COLOROSO: Well you know there are three characters in the title, the bully, the bullied and the bystander. These are three roles in a horrific tragedy. And it isn't only the targeted kid who is affected. Bullies don't learn good relational skills; they don't learn how to be a friend. They don't learn how to interact in an effective way, other than controlling other human beings.
Targets don't do well in school, because how could you study math and concentrate on it, when you're worried about how to get to English class safely? And the bystanders, there are no innocent bystanders. We have to say, what were they doing there in the first place? Were they joining in with the bully, were they cheering the bully on, were they getting quiet pleasure from somebody else's pain?
Were they turning a blind eye as many adults often do? Or were they afraid to step in, not liking what one girl was doing to another girl, telling her she can't be a part of this class. Or a part of this group at lunchroom. But afraid if I step in, I'll be next. If I step in, I'll make it worse for the target, or I don't even know how to step in. I would like kids, and the purpose of my book, was not only to bring an awareness of how devastating it can be for all three characters, but to the teach young people that since bullying happens under the radar of adults.
It is bystanders who can become witnesses, who can stand up and speak out. Who can step in, who can say, leave her alone? Back off. Do you feel cool now? As one boy did at Columbine just recently, when a young boy who was mentally retarded being tormented, Ty Worjas (ph), a sophomore soccer player walked up and said do you feel cool now? Does that make you feel big? And he said they looked at me kind of strangely, but the bullying stopped.
And we have to remember that kids verbally bully, physically bully and relationally bully. There are three ways kids do it. FRANKEN: Well the preparation, of course, starts in the home, as you know. And as you point out, what can the loving parent tell the child who they're concerned is being bullied?
COLOROSO: If a child is being targeted, there are some things we want to do and some things we don't want to do. We have to first say to a kid, I believe you. I hear you. You're not in this alone. My favorite singer is not Marilyn Manson, but he was Erik and Dylan's. And to me the most powerful line in "Bowling for Columbine" was when Michael Moore said to Marilyn Manson what would you have said to those boys Erik and Dylan?
He said I wouldn't have said anything I would have listened to what they have to say. So we have to here them, we have told them it's not your fault. We often blame the target. A young girl with flaming red hair came up to me and she said it wasn't until I read your book that I realized it was not my fault in grade nine that they set fire to my hair.
FRANKEN: OK, well let's talk about the warning signs in the little bit of time we have left.
COLOROSO: They're not going to come home and say, guess what they did to me today. Kids are ashamed they've been targeted. So you want to look -- is my child suddenly not interested in school when he always loved to go to school? Is there a drop in the grades? Again, how can you concentrate on math when you're afraid? Unexplained injuries, torn or missing clothing and the kid just write it off. And says oh I left it somewhere, or I caught it on a fence. Does your child have stomachaches? Panic attacks? Are they not sleeping well? Are they sleeping too much? But never on holidays. Those are clues.
FRANKEN: Barbara I guess and it's old fashioned to suggest to the kid that, it used to be suggested that you pound the living daylights out of the kid.
COLOROSO: Well on a one on one fight, that may work. But bullying, there is always an imbalance of power. Those kids that do not pick on your kid because he looked like Arnold Schwarzenegger. They knew they could get him.
FRANKEN: Barbara Coloroso thank you very much for your time. It is a subject that's gauged a lot of currency and one that is always a very difficult subject.
COLOROSO: Thank you.
FRANKEN: Another difficult subject has been what so often happens to people. Though he's virtually disappeared from public views since his campaign sputtered to a close, Howard Dean's true believers are pressing on with his cause. Tonight CNN presents shows you life inside the Dean campaign as it began to collapse.
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JOE TRIPPI, DEAN CAMPAIGN MANAGER: It's the people stupid is what I would title -- no. It's the people, stupid. It is the subject line. Do not change the subject line. I just said it. It's the people, stupid.
HOWARD DEAN, (D) PRESIDENTIAL CANIDATE: 1992, Bill Clinton said, it's the economy, stupid. This time, it's the people, stupid. Washington's going to change and we're going to change it. Thank you very much.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Committed news. He said Clinton said in 19 --
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: People stupid.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: People don't go with that; they're out of their minds. That's what the campaign's about.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's the people stupid. Has anybody used it? He's been saying it the last two stops.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That's the message. Don't we deserve to at least get our message out?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Here's the attack. What's your response? Here's the attack. What's your response? And when you get through all that, you have no message.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It seems like the other candidates are closing in.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We'll see on Monday. We're -- we don't see that. We're going to win.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How's the blog handling all this? You know, the polls saying it's a dead heat, all of that kind of stuff. How are they reacting?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Some of doing the sky is falling. Some people are saying it's not about the sky falling. You got to be positive. People are (INAUDIBLE). There is definitely some of the freaking out attitude.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The real story is John Kerry he had a 25- point night last night.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Kerry 25, us 19, Gephardt 19. You know what I think?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If we get into a back and forth with Gephardt, who benefits from that? Not either one of us, not this late.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Edwards.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Kerry or Edwards.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I know. Can you get me -- now! Too many glitches at this stage in the game.
FELIX SCHEIN, NBC NEWS REPORTER: What, down to five days before the Iowa caucus? And the campaign seems to be lacking in structure.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Does anybody know why headquarters isn't answering the phone?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I don't know but neither is the hot line. The hot line's not answering either.
SCHEIN: There is not a good understanding of how to deal with the press.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Where's she going to be?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Confirmed.
SCHEIN: The governor himself hasn't been on lately, he has been tinkering with his message, been tinkering with his style.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Next time when you pick him up, turn to the cameras and pick him up.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: These are the cameras.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Thank you very much, you're wonderful. Thank you.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You guys have a nice day.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Thank you so much. Vote for Dean!
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Governor Dean the other day complained that Joe Trippi was getting more press than Governor Dean was getting.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Your really real.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hey, hey!
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FRANKEN: And true believer is life inside the Dean campaign, airs tonight at 8:00 p.m. Eastern here on CNN.
It's been a rocky road for one former California athlete.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I didn't think I'd ever be on the front page here are the "Star Telegram." You know?
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FRANKEN: Up next, we'll tell you how this man went from the boxing ring to a homeless shelter, to the Hall of Fame.
Plus, it's a showdown down in Florida. Baseball rivals are meeting once again. We'll take you to the battleground.
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FRANKEN: In sports, Arod is brings his a-game to the field during spring training. Alex Rodriguez and his New York Yankees beat the Boston Red Sox in exhibition play 11-7. As we all know it is one of baseball's hottest rivalries. CNN's Ray D'Alessio has more from the Red Sox's training camp at Fort Myers, Florida.
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RAY D'ALESSIO, CNN CORRESPONDENT: For six straight years now the Red Soxs finished second to the Yankees in their division. But during the off-season it appeared as though the Red Sox had closed that gap. They went out, they got two quality pitchers in Kurt Schilling and Keith Falk. Of course Schilling has beaten the Yankees once before in the World Series as a member of the Arizona Diamondbacks. Then there was the potential trade for A-Rod a deal was already in place, but of course that deal fell through. Arod went to the Yankees and now the Red Sox are back to square one.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There wasn't a person on this planet that's a baseball fan that didn't think Arod was going to be a Red Sox.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It didn't bother me until the Yankees signed them. I mean you know I obviously the Yankees sure a good club but they got better getting the best player in the game and that was a little bit frustrating.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There is no bigger punching the gut for a Red Sox player and a fan than for them to get Arod. But you know it is over with.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We're very excited to start the season. Because it is just like yesterday walking off that field and having that taste of game seven in the Yankee Stadium and we're now preparing and everybody's hungry.
D'ALESSIO: Now if you're keeping score at home, last year during the regular season the Yankees went 10-9 against the Red Sox, then came the American League Championship series when the Yankees won that in game seven. With all the new faces this year you can expect the rivalry will remain just at tight. Ray D'Alessio, CNN, Fort Myers, Florida.
FRANKEN: While baseball is just getting started, college basketball is headed for a big finish. It looks like March madness will ensue with only one undefeated team. Previously top ranked unbeaten Stanford lost its last regular season game yesterday falling to Washington 75-62 and that means that St. Joseph enters the postseason as the only undefeated team in division 1.
In the world of boxing, comebacks are part of the game, as we know. But one former welterweight championship contender has made a comeback outside of the ring. Ernie Lopez has gone from homeless to hero. He was inducted in the California Boxing Hall of Fame last night. Reporter Barry Carpenter a CNN affiliated KVAF in Dallas, Ft. Worth has the story.
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BARRY CARPENTER, KVAF: It's been a long road for 58-year-old former welterweight contender Ernie Indian Lopez. He arrived a DFW, with a one-way ticket to Los Angeles, and a newspaper with him on the front page.
ERNIE LOPEZ, BOXING HALL OF FAME, INDUCTED: I didn't think I'd ever be on the front page of the "Star Telegram." You know?
CARPENTER: But Lopez was no stranger to the sports page or boxing magazines. That is him in his Indian Red warm-up and here at a 1970 title fight loss to Jose Naplos (ph). He and his wife divorced in 1972. Then in 1973, he lost another title fight to Napalas. Those loses were apparently so devastating, that Lopez simply disappeared wandering the country for years, ultimately winding up here at a Ft. Worth homeless shelter.
Lopez would sometimes contact family members but for the past ten years he vanished. Family members in Los Angeles found out that Lopez had been inducted into the California Boxing Hall of Fame and L.A. police tracked him to this shelter and this bed. Now he and his tattered duffel bag are off to L.A.
LOPEZ: They got a hold of me and said they're going to put me in the Boxing Hall of Fame down in California. I got a pretty good record, so.
CARPENTER: 51-10-1 to be exact. But his biggest win may be seeing his family again. Former wife, four kids and 23 grandchildren who won't let him disappear again.
LOPEZ: That's what they told me, they said, you better start keeping in touch with us.
CARPENTER: The Presbyterian Night Shelter has been his home for months. Friends there say the once fear fighter is incredibly humble.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We didn't even know he boxed. He doesn't go around talking about it. He's just humble. He's genuinely a nice guy.
CARPENTER: Lopez may have never been a world-boxing champion, but he's earned the title of L.A.'s most wanted dad.
LOPEZ: That's going to be nice. That will be good. Not too many people get that opportunity, I don't believe. But I'm thankful that I got it.
CARPENTER: In Dallas, Barry Carpenter for CNN.
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FRANKEN: Well, you may have missed the hoopla on Friday, but still to come on "CNN Live Sunday," it's not a new dance and they're not trying to catch a taxi. How motioning of the arms and of the hips can send the right or wrong signals.
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FRANKEN: A probation office in New York tomorrow will set restrictions Martha Stewart must live with until her sentencing June 17. The jury Friday found her guilty of conspiracy, obstruction and making false statements to investigators. Stewart says she'll appeal the verdict. The conviction threatens her homemaking business empire as well as her personal freedom. When there are no cameras aloud in the courtroom, the competition to report the verdict can be intense. In the case of Martha Stewart media outlets had to come up with, how should we stay, creative ways to get the word out. CNN's Jeanne Moos reports.
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JEANNE MOOS, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): All eyes were on the courthouse door when the equivalent of Paul Revere appeared. Instead of one if by land, this one up raised arm meant guilty. Like a coach sending signals to his team, these may look like sports fans, they, too, were signaling, and all of those numbered signs stood for criminal counts, red for guilty.
CHRIS HUNTINGTON, CNNfn CORRESPONDENT: Count one, guilty.
MOOS: It may look like they were judging skating, but this was how the judgment against Martha was flashed to TV reporters trying to beat the competition. No wonder one network got it wrong at first.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Not guilty.
MOOS: The media signals were so sophisticated, they could have made it into one of Martha's publications, "Organizing Good Things." But the only good thing for defendant Peter Bacanovic was a single green side amid the red.
HUNTINGTON: He's not guilty apparently on the count regarding making false documents.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The verdict was read; the doors burst open, people just sprinting out.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It was complete mayhem; I've never run so fast in my life. A couple girls were ready to trip me, but --
MOOS: The most vigorous signalers were the scarf wavers waving sinfully red scarves. All we can tell you is they work for Fox News channel, they would not reveal their system, were scarves of a different color if the verdict had been not guilty? One waver worried she's become a media joke. But who needs a scarf, the guilty verdict was written all over her face. Jeanne Moos, CNN, New York.
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FRANKEN: Well, that is all the time we have for now. Coming up on "NEXT@CNN" there is a new theory about why Stradivarius musical instruments sound so good. It may have something to do with the climate than anything the famous violinmaker did.
And than at 6:00 Eastern on "CNN Live Sunday," new medical guidelines will be coming out this spring regarding treatment for children's earaches. Many parents may not be too happy with the recommendations. Then at 7:00 Eastern, a profile of the fallen domestic diva Martha Stewart. Thanks for joining us. I'll be back with the headlines after a quick break.
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