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Explosions Kill 173 People as Terrorists Mount Rush Hour Attack on Spanish Commuter Trains

Aired March 11, 2004 - 08:00 ET

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SOLEDAD O'BRIEN, CNN ANCHOR: A developing story that we are following this morning -- 13 explosions, 173 people killed, as terrorists mount a rush hour attack on Spanish commuter trains.
President Bush courts more 9/11 controversy while his opponent, Senator John Kerry, may have to defend his comments.

And a drug that could dramatically cut the recurrence of breast cancer. Is it better than what's already out there?

A look at that ahead on this AMERICAN MORNING.

ANNOUNCER: From the CNN broadcast center in New York, this is AMERICAN MORNING with Soledad O'Brien and Bill Hemmer.

O'BRIEN: And good morning.

Welcome, everybody.

Other stories that we're following this morning, the Internet playing a huge role in this presidential campaign. We're going to have a look at MoveOn.org, how they're changing the political landscape this time around.

BILL HEMMER, CNN ANCHOR: Also, it was one year ago, Soledad, Elizabeth Smart returned to her family. Yet even today they're still learning more about her eight month ordeal with a pair of drifters. Her parents, Ed and Lois Smart, are live with us in a few moments here on AMERICAN MORNING.

Remember that story, when that crossed?

O'BRIEN: Yes, who could forget?

HEMMER: Wow, Elizabeth Smart is alive. I'll never forget it.

O'BRIEN: Yes.

Jack Cafferty, good morning.

JACK CAFFERTY, CNN CORRESPONDENT: How are you doing?

Coming up in the Cafferty File, we're going to tell you why the governor of Connecticut's hot tub is costing taxpayers almost $2,000. This guy is, he's just a worm up there. Roland I think his name is. And they're going to probably wind up impeaching him at some point. And here's a clue. You may be surprised to find out the latest hazard to drivers on the road is pornography emanating from the inside of other people's cars. And we have the story right here.

HEMMER: And you're making fun of me for Martha Stewart's styles.

CAFFERTY: Well, now which would you be more (UNINTELLIGIBLE). I venture to make you a bet if we did a poll...

O'BRIEN: The stylist.

CAFFERTY: Martha Stewart's stylist, pornography in the guy's car next to you.

HEMMER: I'll take it.

O'BRIEN: Am I going out on a limb if I say the stylist?

CAFFERTY: Yes.

O'BRIEN: But that's just me.

HEMMER: We'll get to that.

Yes, thank you, Jack.

We want to get you the story out of Spain. Boy, what a day of devastation it's been in the Madrid -- the City of Madrid, the Spanish capital. Political leaders across Europe now expressing outrage after a deadly morning commute. The latest numbers we now have, 173 are dead, nearly 600 others are wounded. Those numbers are expected to rise again.

Responsibly has not been claimed, but Spanish officials blame a Basque separatist group known as Euskadi ta Askatasuna in a mountainous region of northern Spain, along the border with southern France. Many Basques support the creation of a separate homeland independent of the Spanish government.

ETA is blamed for some 800 deaths since it began a decades long fight for independence. It is now on the U.S. State Department's list of terrorist organizations.

An Al Goodman is our Madrid bureau chief.

He is on the scene and filed this story just a few short moments ago.

Here's Al Goodman.

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AL GOODMAN, CNN MADRID BUREAU CHIEF: As the day wears on here in Madrid, the death toll steadily climbing. Well over 170 at this hour. Nearly 600 people injured in this series of coordinated attacks on three commuter trains that were coming into the Atocha train station behind me. This happening just around 8:00 a.m. local time, as these trains, which normally would be standing room only, packed trains, were trying to roll into this station.

A series of attacks. A rescue official tells us that as rescuers moved in initially, they had to then move back because more suspicious packages were found on these trains.

Now, apparently there were packages on the trains themselves and not on the tracks that caused this extensive damage. One train that nearly made it into the station behind us had two cars destroyed. A scene of carnage, according to this rescue worker, who has just talked with people outside of the station.

Now, as you mentioned, officials blaming the Basque separatist group ETA. That group listed as a terrorist organization by the United States and the European Union, of which Spain is a member. It's been fighting 30 years, more than 30 years, for an independent Basque homeland.

Before this day, it was blamed for something over 800 killings in that long three decade period. And now, more than 170 people dead in this action alone. That has led the government to blame ETA, based on the evidence it has. But a party in the, a political party in the Basque region that has been banned for its links to ETA denies it. It says this is not the way ETA would operate, indiscriminate bombing.

If it is ETA, it marks a major departure from the way it has done things in the past. Authorities in Spain working with the hospitals at the limit. Blood calls have gone out to the citizens. It is a tragic day here in Madrid and across Spain.

Al Goodman, CNN, Madrid.

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HEMMER: And, again, we will not leave this story for long. The numbers are staggering, 173 dead, 600 wounded. Three separate attacks this morning, 8:00 a.m. rush hour time, at the height of rush hour in Madrid, Spain. More on this throughout the morning.

Other news now, in this country, the chairman of President Bush's reelection campaign wants Senator John Kerry to apologize. This after Kerry offered some harsh comments about his Republican critics. During an appearance in Chicago yesterday, Kerry turned to a supporter and said this with a microphone.

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SEN. JOHN KERRY (D-MA), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: These guys are, these guys are the most crooked, you know, lying group that I've ever seen.

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HEMMER: A spokesperson for the senator was not calling the president crooked, they say, but was referring to Republican critics in general. Bush campaign Chairman Marc Racicot says the comment is unbecoming of a presidential candidate. More on this campaign matter coming up here.

Also, a small military plane carrying four people crashed during an attempted landing at a San Diego base. The FAA says the UC-35 aircraft went down last night about a half mile short of the runway at the Marine Corps air station Miramar. It is not known whether or not there are any survivors. An investigation now under way there in southern California.

Same-sex marriage once again topping the agenda for lawmakers in Massachusetts. The legislature there in the state reconvenes for another round of debate on the issue today. Lawmakers failed to agree last month on a proposed amendment that banned gay marriages but allowed civil unions. This, again, a story we'll watch throughout the day.

From California, demands for increased security are forcing the Walt Disney Company to make some changes. Permanent security gates are scheduled to go up around Disneyland in California next fall. Disney originally had resisted installing the gates, believing they would spoil the sense of fantasy. Walt Disney World in Florida has also increased its security, but it has not added gates at this point.

You're up to date now, 8:06 here in New York.

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O'BRIEN: Let's turn back to politics now. The Bush campaign urging the FCC to pull the plug on an anti-Bush ad sponsored by a third party group. They say it's being funded illegally. The third party groups may play a major role in this year's election. One group, the grassroots liberal Internet site MoveOn.org, is certainly making lots of noise in Washington, D.C.

But just how exactly is it affecting the political landscape?

Kathleen Koch has this report.

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KATHLEEN KOCH, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): As much as Democrats love it...

AL GORE, FORMER VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: And I want to especially thank MoveOn.org.

KOCH: Republicans loathe it.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It is not appropriate political discourse.

KOCH: But everyone agrees MoveOn.org is changing American politics. From the living room of the California couple that started it in 1998, the liberal grassroots Web site has ballooned to some two million active contributing members.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This song is a song and a prayer for peace.

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KOCH: MoveOn has mobilized massive anti-war protests, jammed Capitol Hill phones and faxes, and raised millions for hard-hitting ads, including one calling the president a liar.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP, AD)

BUSH: Saddam Hussein had an advanced nuclear weapons development program.

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BILL GREEN, RIGHTMARCH.COM: MoveOn.org keeps us pretty busy.

KOCH: Bill Green helped launch the conservative Web site RightMarch.com a year ago, one of many trying to blunt the liberal organization's impact.

GREEN: Whenever, say, MoveOn takes a particular action, we very quickly put together a counteraction, a countermove.

HOWARD DEAN (D), FORMER PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Like MoveOn.org, we seek to build a community of millions and strengthen the voice of our people.

KOCH: Howard Dean adopted MoveOn's tactics, giving him an early boost. Even the Bush-Cheney campaign has focused its initial efforts toward online constituents, releasing its first campaign ad not on TV, but on the Internet.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They really have shown people that the Internet is hospitable not just to protests, but for establishment politics as well. MoveOn has shown people how to use the Internet to work the system.

KOCH: And, say observers, shown Democrat how to get tough.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Made the Democratic Party a little more aggressive, and in some ways, a little more like how the Republican Party has been. The Republican Party is very much, much more unified in its message.

KOCH (on camera): But some point out, MoveOn hasn't been able to change policy here at the White House or on Capitol Hill.

(voice-over): Organizers insist they're getting closer.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We'd love to see one day that ordinary people actually can effectively counter in all circumstances big money and special interests. And that day is probably a ways off, but we're going to move towards it.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

KOCH: Now, still, some point out that MoveOn.org has not actually been successful at changing policy, either here at the White House or on Capitol Hill. Still, many Republicans are doing their best to shut down the fund raising arm of MoveOn, its voter fund. Critics charging that it and other liberal, pro-Democratic advocacy groups are doing an end run around campaign finance laws -- Soledad.

O'BRIEN: Kathleen Koch for us this morning.

Kathleen, thanks.

More reaction now to the use of September 11 imagery in political ads from the Bush campaign. This comes from former President Bill Clinton.

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BILL CLINTON, FORMER PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: I think it's up to President Bush to decide what he's going to run on and how he's going to present it. But when you raise an issue, then you have to -- it opens the issue in a way that, you know, we've, all of us in our party have always tried to keep September 11 and the aftermath out of politics. And it's been put back into politics.

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O'BRIEN: The Bush campaign has staunchly stood by those ads. It says it has no plans to pull them from the air.

HEMMER: A sports note now. Congress is putting major league baseball on notice. If owners and players do not do something to crack down on steroid use, lawmakers say they will. In a moment, we'll talk with one of the senators who was flexing a bit of muscle yesterday at a hearing in D.C.

First, though, some background.

CNN's Joe Johns.

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JOE JOHNS, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Fearing the use of steroids in pro sports, especially baseball, could send the wrong message to young athletes, Congress issued a warning to the head of the major league Baseball Players Association.

SEN. JOHN MCCAIN (R), ARIZONA: I can tell you and your players that you represent, the status quo is not acceptable.

JOHNS: The heat is on baseball. Five to seven percent of tests on players last year came back positive for steroid use. Superstar Barry Bonds' personal trainer was charged with supplying steroids to athletes. Bonds denies using steroids.

The Baseball Players Association has agreed to once a year random testing, but says athletes still have rights.

DONALD FEHR, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, MLB PLAYERS ASSOCIATION: We don't treat it lightly. We don't treat lightly the notion of searches without cause.

JOHNS: And the players also say random testing is an issue of privacy. But not everyone agrees.

SEN. BYRON DORGAN (D), NORTH DAKOTA: The taking of steroids in private is designed specifically to affect your performance in public, specifically for that. There cannot possibly be a privacy issue here, in my judgment.

JOHNS: Not all performance enhancing substances are illegal. Some are even available over the counter.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You can't expect professional athletes to suggest that they somehow are different than anyone else and they can't go into a store and buy something that anyone else can buy.

JOHNS: But the commissioner of baseball says all should be banned.

BUD SELIG, COMMISSIONER, MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL: Regardless of whether the substances are categorized as steroids or nutritional supplements.

JOHNS (on camera): A proposal to crack down on some of those substances is gaining momentum here, but in the end, Congress may be able to do little more than shine a light on the problem.

Joe Johns, CNN, Capitol Hill.

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HEMMER: All right, let's talk more about it.

Senator Joe Biden of Delaware was there for that session yesterday, back with us on AMERICAN MORNING.

Nice to see you, Senator.

Good morning to you.

SEN. JOSEPH BIDEN (D-DE), FOREIGN RELATIONS COMMITTEE: Good to see you.

HEMMER: What do you think is the solution here?

BIDEN: Well, back in 1990, folks like Joe Johns said there's little we can do then, too, and I was able to finally, after three years, get a steroid bill passed. Steroid use has dropped among high school students, college students. It's dropped across the board. And people's lives have been saved in the process. And now what happened was the drug companies figured out a way to get around my law. And so they have these precursors to steroids that we find have a same properties of enhancing performance and also diminishing health.

So for the last two years, I've had a bill, along with Senator Hatch, to say that THG, you know, human hormone supplements, Andro, all of these things -- and we list them -- should also be treated exactly like steroids and that's the real issue here.

The -- you heard them say, the players' union say why couldn't they walk in and go to the counter and buy what's legal? Well, they can right now. That's too bad. I want to make it illegal to be able to buy those things.

HEMMER: Here's what Donald Fehr said yesterday, in part. I'll put it on the screen for our viewers to see it. Quoting now: "It is not up to the individual to prove he is innocent, especially of a charge of which he is not reasonably suspected."

You're up for a fight against the union. Is the union too strong in baseball?

BIDEN: Well, I don't know if it's too strong in baseball. I think the owners are irrational in baseball, too. I'm a baseball fan and I think they're both crazy right now. I don't like the way the owners act so high-handedly. So I know -- there's an absolute need for the union. And I don't like the way the union's taken its position here.

But my law is not about the unions. My law is about saying anyone, who uses any of these drugs that are listed, these precursors, will be violating a law. And if they are found to have done it, they will be convicted and they can go to jail, just like the use of steroid now. Unless it's a prescription, you can't use it. That's all I'm trying to do. And if I do that, what we do is we change the culture, as well.

Right now, two thirds of all the kids in America think their favorite athletes are "on the juice," according to a Kaiser Family Foundation poll.

And beyond this, beyond the health side of this, what message are we sending about our culture? And I say to Donald Fehr, what about those Olympic athletes? They are pure, they are doing this not for money, most of them. They're the genuine article. We test all of them. We test all of them.

HEMMER: Senator, here's what we're hearing from some of our viewers online by way of e-mail. They say that homeland security, the war on terror, health care, insecurity, Social Security -- why put this at the forefront of concerns on Capitol Hill? Why is it important to you to end it?

BIDEN: Well, I don't think it is at the forefront. I've had this bill now for the last two years. No one's paid attention to it, including you guys, until ESPN started to play it. So now it's a gigantic issue, because it has a lot of zing and zazz to it. You've got these famous players using it. It's important. It's nowhere near as important as getting the budget straight. It's nowhere near as important as making sure that we, in fact, win the war on terror. But it does go to our culture. It goes to our basic values. We can no longer say in this country that we want to teach our kids values and say but, by the way, in this meritocracy, you're allowed to go juice up and get an advantage over the other guy. It's totally inconsistent messages we're sending.

So it's important. It's not as important as the war on terror. It's not as important as dealing with a half a trillion dollar budget deficit.

HEMMER: Thank you, Senator.

Always good to have you here.

BIDEN: Thank you.

HEMMER: Come back anytime, all right?

BIDEN: Bye-bye.

HEMMER: Joe Biden from D.C.

O'BRIEN: Still to come this morning, one year after Elizabeth was reunited with her family, we're going to update you on the case against those who are accused of abducting her. We're going to talk live with Elizabeth Smart's parents. There they are. We're going to see how they're doing, as well.

HEMMER: Also, hear some of the most dramatic testimony yet in the Jayson Williams trial, much of it coming from his own friends. We'll get to that with Toobin.

O'BRIEN: Also, a new weapon in the fight against breast cancer. We'll tell you the results of a new study, just ahead on AMERICAN MORNING.

COMMERCIAL

HEMMER: From Madrid, Spain, if you're just joining us, a series of explosions, 13 reported, at the height of morning rush hour in the Spanish capital. The reports we're getting, 173 dead, more than 600 are wounded.

We will not leave this story long. We've been watching it for hours. More on this throughout the morning here on AMERICAN MORNING.

Now Soledad.

O'BRIEN: An anniversary to talk about. Tomorrow marks the one year anniversary of the day that Elizabeth Smart returned home after she was abducted and held for nine months. Today, Elizabeth is just like any other 16-year-old. She talks on the phone, talks and talks and talks, we imagine. Also, she's driving now. Meanwhile, Brian David Mitchell and Wanda Barzee have been charged with kidnapping, sexual assault and burglary. Barzee was deemed mentally incompetent to stand trial, while Mitchell's competency is expected to be decided in May.

So what's life been like in the year that Elizabeth has been home with her family?

Her parents, Ed and Lois Smart, are with us this morning.

Nice to see you.

LOIS SMART, MOTHER OF ELIZABETH SMART: Good to see you.

O'BRIEN: Hard to believe it's a year. Wow. Does it seem like a long time or does it seem like it's gone like that?

ED SMART, FATHER OF ELIZABETH SMART: It's gone like that.

L. SMART: So fast.

O'BRIEN: Really?

L. SMART: Yes.

E. SMART: It's great.

O'BRIEN: Tell me a little bit about what Elizabeth is doing. I remember last time we spoke, you were, Mrs. Smart, were really anxious about the fact that Elizabeth was ready to drive.

L. SMART: Yes. She is driving. She's dating. She is working. She's going to school. She's shopping. And no longer wears sensible shoes. You can bet...

O'BRIEN: You know what? She's a girl after my own heart.

L. SMART: She's...

O'BRIEN: Who needs sensible shoes?

L. SMART: ... early years...

O'BRIEN: How is she doing psychologically?

L. SMART: Great. She is receiving therapy still and just doing very well.

O'BRIEN: Last time we spoke, you, we talked a little bit about the impact of the family and the upcoming trial, just a little bit. And I'm curious to know the status of what's going on with that right now. As we mentioned, Wanda Barzee has been deemed mentally impact.

What happens to her?

E. SMART: You know, the last word that we had was that she was going to be -- well, she's waiting to get into the mental institution, the Utah hospital. And there's no room at the moment, which, you know, she's going to be in prison or, you know, incarcerated. So, you know, that's fine that she, you know, is going there.

O'BRIEN: What happens, what's the status of Brian David Mitchell?

E. SMART: You know, they've assigned a new attorney for him and we're waiting to see what happens as far as his competency hearing. And that's going to be in May some time.

O'BRIEN: You must have concerns about -- would Elizabeth have to testify, if this goes to trial, I mean if it's deemed that he is competent?

E. SMART: We don't know. And...

L. SMART: We hope not.

O'BRIEN: Yes, I would imagine. Because even if she doesn't have to testify, are you concerned about the impact just a trial starting...

L. SMART: Yes.

O'BRIEN: ... even if not, no one in your family has to be there physically.

What do you do to protect your kids against that and your family against that?

E. SMART: I don't know, what can you do? I mean really, she, she is doing wonderfully. She doesn't just sit there and focus on what happened to her in the past. And she is, I mean it is really a miracle to see her going forward. She's not crippled by this. She's your typical 16-year-old.

O'BRIEN: Partners In Safety is a new organization that you've started. And you've brought a little bit of the information in to us.

E. SMART: Yes.

O'BRIEN: What exactly is it?

E. SMART: Well, tomorrow we're going to kick off Partners In Safety, and we have teamed up with the Girl Scouts of Utah, along with law enforcement, a company -- a non-profit called RAD Kids, another one, KinderVision and then the National Center. And each one of those are focusing on preventive measures. RAD Kids teaches defensive behavior. KinderVision basically has some simplified videos that they provide free to anyone that at the tail end of it, they take a little picture of the children being interviewed and it creates an interest spot where, you know, the problem that we've been seeing with so many children is you talk to them about what not to do, but it doesn't sink in. Hopefully by seeing this over and over again, it will sink in.

And then the National Center has a wonderful program called Net Smarts that teaches children how to be smart on the Internet.

O'BRIEN: Well, if anyone knows how to protect their kids in dealing with the aftermath, it is the two of you.

Thanks for coming in to talk to us again.

E. SMART: Thank you.

O'BRIEN: We really appreciate it.

It's nice to see you, as always.

E. SMART: Appreciate it.

L. SMART: Thank you.

O'BRIEN: Bill?

HEMMER: All right, Soledad.

In a moment here, a hockey player's tearful apology for a blindside attack on another player. In a short time, Todd Bertuzzi learns his punishment.

Back in a moment on AMERICAN MORNING.

COMMERCIAL

HEMMER: Within the hour, about 30 minutes from now, in fact, the National Hockey League expected to announce how it will President Saddam Hussein Todd Bertuzzi of the Vancouver Canucks. Bertuzzi attacked Colorado's Steve Moore on Monday night, leaving Moore with a broken neck, a concussion and several facial cuts.

Last night, Bertuzzi went before the microphones and the cameras, publicly apologizing to Moore and the fans. Moore remains in a Vancouver hospital at this hour.

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TODD BERTUZZI, VANCOUVER CANUCKS PLAYER: Steve, I just want to apologize for what happened out there, that I had no intention on hurting you, that I feel awful for what transpired. To the fans of hockey and to the fans of Vancouver, for the kids that watch this game, I'm truly sorry. I don't play the game that way and I'm not a mean-spirited person. And I'm sorry for what happened.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

HEMMER: In addition to this, Vancouver police looking into that attack on the ice earlier in the week. And, again, 9:00 a.m. Eastern time, expect an announcement from the NHL. We'll have it for you when it happens.

O'BRIEN: Mr. Cafferty is with us now.

CAFFERTY: Wow, tough stuff.

O'BRIEN: Yes, you know, it's hard to see that.

CAFFERTY: Oh, yes, it's...

O'BRIEN: And you see it over and over again.

CAFFERTY: You know, that's a shame. The guy's career and his whole life may be ruined.

Anyway, Senator John McCain -- on to other issues here -- is threatening that Congress will crack down on steroid use in major league baseball if the baseball league and the unions don't do something about it. The executive director of the players union says he thinks the current testing is sufficient.

In National Football League, positive test results, an immediate four game suspension. The Olympics, they take away the medals, kick them clear out of the competition.

Should there be a zero tolerance policy for steroids in baseball?

Bob in Ohio writes: "Who cares? I haven't gone to a major league game since the cry babies went on strike. The American pastime has become big business, just like all the other team sports, and only cares about the bottom line for both teams and players. The fans get stuck with the bill for all these over pricey prima donnas."

Michael in Stoutsville, Ohio -- Ohio's awake this morning, Bill. They're writing in.

HEMMER: How about that?

CAFFERTY: "The cult of celebrity and wealth are the engines of this nation. I hear of players making $6 million a year complaining about their pay. The Congress creates a pay and benefit plan for themselves that they deny to the rest of us. Even the Roman Empire crumbled under the weight of subsidizing those who are most able to pay their own way."

And Phil writes: "I'm delighted to learn that all the little problems facing us -- terrorism, health care, Social Security -- have been resolved so that Congress can focus on the bigger issues, like steroid use in baseball. Sleep well tonight because Congress will."

HEMMER: Now, listen, at your request, we asked Senator Biden...

O'BRIEN: Right, Senator Biden, yes.

HEMMER: ... about that. He said, listen, it in no way compares to national security or the war on terror. But it goes to the culture and to the values of the country, his words from, what, 15 minutes ago.

CAFFERTY: Very senatorial.

HEMMER: How about that?

CAFFERTY: I like that.

O'BRIEN: It was fairly senatorial.

CAFFERTY: No, that's right. That's what they -- that's how they talk down there. It's very, it's cool.

O'BRIEN: I bought it.

CAFFERTY: Senate speak.

O'BRIEN: Yes, it was.

Still to come this morning, a staggering death toll. Still no claim of responsibility. We've got the latest on today's bomb attacks in Madrid that have killed close to 200 people. We're going to talk to Spain's ambassador to the United States, coming up next.

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SOLEDAD O'BRIEN, CNN ANCHOR: A developing story that we are following this morning -- 13 explosions, 173 people killed, as terrorists mount a rush hour attack on Spanish commuter trains.
President Bush courts more 9/11 controversy while his opponent, Senator John Kerry, may have to defend his comments.

And a drug that could dramatically cut the recurrence of breast cancer. Is it better than what's already out there?

A look at that ahead on this AMERICAN MORNING.

ANNOUNCER: From the CNN broadcast center in New York, this is AMERICAN MORNING with Soledad O'Brien and Bill Hemmer.

O'BRIEN: And good morning.

Welcome, everybody.

Other stories that we're following this morning, the Internet playing a huge role in this presidential campaign. We're going to have a look at MoveOn.org, how they're changing the political landscape this time around.

BILL HEMMER, CNN ANCHOR: Also, it was one year ago, Soledad, Elizabeth Smart returned to her family. Yet even today they're still learning more about her eight month ordeal with a pair of drifters. Her parents, Ed and Lois Smart, are live with us in a few moments here on AMERICAN MORNING.

Remember that story, when that crossed?

O'BRIEN: Yes, who could forget?

HEMMER: Wow, Elizabeth Smart is alive. I'll never forget it.

O'BRIEN: Yes.

Jack Cafferty, good morning.

JACK CAFFERTY, CNN CORRESPONDENT: How are you doing?

Coming up in the Cafferty File, we're going to tell you why the governor of Connecticut's hot tub is costing taxpayers almost $2,000. This guy is, he's just a worm up there. Roland I think his name is. And they're going to probably wind up impeaching him at some point. And here's a clue. You may be surprised to find out the latest hazard to drivers on the road is pornography emanating from the inside of other people's cars. And we have the story right here.

HEMMER: And you're making fun of me for Martha Stewart's styles.

CAFFERTY: Well, now which would you be more (UNINTELLIGIBLE). I venture to make you a bet if we did a poll...

O'BRIEN: The stylist.

CAFFERTY: Martha Stewart's stylist, pornography in the guy's car next to you.

HEMMER: I'll take it.

O'BRIEN: Am I going out on a limb if I say the stylist?

CAFFERTY: Yes.

O'BRIEN: But that's just me.

HEMMER: We'll get to that.

Yes, thank you, Jack.

We want to get you the story out of Spain. Boy, what a day of devastation it's been in the Madrid -- the City of Madrid, the Spanish capital. Political leaders across Europe now expressing outrage after a deadly morning commute. The latest numbers we now have, 173 are dead, nearly 600 others are wounded. Those numbers are expected to rise again.

Responsibly has not been claimed, but Spanish officials blame a Basque separatist group known as Euskadi ta Askatasuna in a mountainous region of northern Spain, along the border with southern France. Many Basques support the creation of a separate homeland independent of the Spanish government.

ETA is blamed for some 800 deaths since it began a decades long fight for independence. It is now on the U.S. State Department's list of terrorist organizations.

An Al Goodman is our Madrid bureau chief.

He is on the scene and filed this story just a few short moments ago.

Here's Al Goodman.

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AL GOODMAN, CNN MADRID BUREAU CHIEF: As the day wears on here in Madrid, the death toll steadily climbing. Well over 170 at this hour. Nearly 600 people injured in this series of coordinated attacks on three commuter trains that were coming into the Atocha train station behind me. This happening just around 8:00 a.m. local time, as these trains, which normally would be standing room only, packed trains, were trying to roll into this station.

A series of attacks. A rescue official tells us that as rescuers moved in initially, they had to then move back because more suspicious packages were found on these trains.

Now, apparently there were packages on the trains themselves and not on the tracks that caused this extensive damage. One train that nearly made it into the station behind us had two cars destroyed. A scene of carnage, according to this rescue worker, who has just talked with people outside of the station.

Now, as you mentioned, officials blaming the Basque separatist group ETA. That group listed as a terrorist organization by the United States and the European Union, of which Spain is a member. It's been fighting 30 years, more than 30 years, for an independent Basque homeland.

Before this day, it was blamed for something over 800 killings in that long three decade period. And now, more than 170 people dead in this action alone. That has led the government to blame ETA, based on the evidence it has. But a party in the, a political party in the Basque region that has been banned for its links to ETA denies it. It says this is not the way ETA would operate, indiscriminate bombing.

If it is ETA, it marks a major departure from the way it has done things in the past. Authorities in Spain working with the hospitals at the limit. Blood calls have gone out to the citizens. It is a tragic day here in Madrid and across Spain.

Al Goodman, CNN, Madrid.

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HEMMER: And, again, we will not leave this story for long. The numbers are staggering, 173 dead, 600 wounded. Three separate attacks this morning, 8:00 a.m. rush hour time, at the height of rush hour in Madrid, Spain. More on this throughout the morning.

Other news now, in this country, the chairman of President Bush's reelection campaign wants Senator John Kerry to apologize. This after Kerry offered some harsh comments about his Republican critics. During an appearance in Chicago yesterday, Kerry turned to a supporter and said this with a microphone.

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SEN. JOHN KERRY (D-MA), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: These guys are, these guys are the most crooked, you know, lying group that I've ever seen.

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HEMMER: A spokesperson for the senator was not calling the president crooked, they say, but was referring to Republican critics in general. Bush campaign Chairman Marc Racicot says the comment is unbecoming of a presidential candidate. More on this campaign matter coming up here.

Also, a small military plane carrying four people crashed during an attempted landing at a San Diego base. The FAA says the UC-35 aircraft went down last night about a half mile short of the runway at the Marine Corps air station Miramar. It is not known whether or not there are any survivors. An investigation now under way there in southern California.

Same-sex marriage once again topping the agenda for lawmakers in Massachusetts. The legislature there in the state reconvenes for another round of debate on the issue today. Lawmakers failed to agree last month on a proposed amendment that banned gay marriages but allowed civil unions. This, again, a story we'll watch throughout the day.

From California, demands for increased security are forcing the Walt Disney Company to make some changes. Permanent security gates are scheduled to go up around Disneyland in California next fall. Disney originally had resisted installing the gates, believing they would spoil the sense of fantasy. Walt Disney World in Florida has also increased its security, but it has not added gates at this point.

You're up to date now, 8:06 here in New York.

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O'BRIEN: Let's turn back to politics now. The Bush campaign urging the FCC to pull the plug on an anti-Bush ad sponsored by a third party group. They say it's being funded illegally. The third party groups may play a major role in this year's election. One group, the grassroots liberal Internet site MoveOn.org, is certainly making lots of noise in Washington, D.C.

But just how exactly is it affecting the political landscape?

Kathleen Koch has this report.

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KATHLEEN KOCH, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): As much as Democrats love it...

AL GORE, FORMER VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: And I want to especially thank MoveOn.org.

KOCH: Republicans loathe it.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It is not appropriate political discourse.

KOCH: But everyone agrees MoveOn.org is changing American politics. From the living room of the California couple that started it in 1998, the liberal grassroots Web site has ballooned to some two million active contributing members.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This song is a song and a prayer for peace.

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KOCH: MoveOn has mobilized massive anti-war protests, jammed Capitol Hill phones and faxes, and raised millions for hard-hitting ads, including one calling the president a liar.

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BUSH: Saddam Hussein had an advanced nuclear weapons development program.

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BILL GREEN, RIGHTMARCH.COM: MoveOn.org keeps us pretty busy.

KOCH: Bill Green helped launch the conservative Web site RightMarch.com a year ago, one of many trying to blunt the liberal organization's impact.

GREEN: Whenever, say, MoveOn takes a particular action, we very quickly put together a counteraction, a countermove.

HOWARD DEAN (D), FORMER PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Like MoveOn.org, we seek to build a community of millions and strengthen the voice of our people.

KOCH: Howard Dean adopted MoveOn's tactics, giving him an early boost. Even the Bush-Cheney campaign has focused its initial efforts toward online constituents, releasing its first campaign ad not on TV, but on the Internet.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They really have shown people that the Internet is hospitable not just to protests, but for establishment politics as well. MoveOn has shown people how to use the Internet to work the system.

KOCH: And, say observers, shown Democrat how to get tough.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Made the Democratic Party a little more aggressive, and in some ways, a little more like how the Republican Party has been. The Republican Party is very much, much more unified in its message.

KOCH (on camera): But some point out, MoveOn hasn't been able to change policy here at the White House or on Capitol Hill.

(voice-over): Organizers insist they're getting closer.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We'd love to see one day that ordinary people actually can effectively counter in all circumstances big money and special interests. And that day is probably a ways off, but we're going to move towards it.

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KOCH: Now, still, some point out that MoveOn.org has not actually been successful at changing policy, either here at the White House or on Capitol Hill. Still, many Republicans are doing their best to shut down the fund raising arm of MoveOn, its voter fund. Critics charging that it and other liberal, pro-Democratic advocacy groups are doing an end run around campaign finance laws -- Soledad.

O'BRIEN: Kathleen Koch for us this morning.

Kathleen, thanks.

More reaction now to the use of September 11 imagery in political ads from the Bush campaign. This comes from former President Bill Clinton.

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BILL CLINTON, FORMER PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: I think it's up to President Bush to decide what he's going to run on and how he's going to present it. But when you raise an issue, then you have to -- it opens the issue in a way that, you know, we've, all of us in our party have always tried to keep September 11 and the aftermath out of politics. And it's been put back into politics.

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O'BRIEN: The Bush campaign has staunchly stood by those ads. It says it has no plans to pull them from the air.

HEMMER: A sports note now. Congress is putting major league baseball on notice. If owners and players do not do something to crack down on steroid use, lawmakers say they will. In a moment, we'll talk with one of the senators who was flexing a bit of muscle yesterday at a hearing in D.C.

First, though, some background.

CNN's Joe Johns.

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JOE JOHNS, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Fearing the use of steroids in pro sports, especially baseball, could send the wrong message to young athletes, Congress issued a warning to the head of the major league Baseball Players Association.

SEN. JOHN MCCAIN (R), ARIZONA: I can tell you and your players that you represent, the status quo is not acceptable.

JOHNS: The heat is on baseball. Five to seven percent of tests on players last year came back positive for steroid use. Superstar Barry Bonds' personal trainer was charged with supplying steroids to athletes. Bonds denies using steroids.

The Baseball Players Association has agreed to once a year random testing, but says athletes still have rights.

DONALD FEHR, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, MLB PLAYERS ASSOCIATION: We don't treat it lightly. We don't treat lightly the notion of searches without cause.

JOHNS: And the players also say random testing is an issue of privacy. But not everyone agrees.

SEN. BYRON DORGAN (D), NORTH DAKOTA: The taking of steroids in private is designed specifically to affect your performance in public, specifically for that. There cannot possibly be a privacy issue here, in my judgment.

JOHNS: Not all performance enhancing substances are illegal. Some are even available over the counter.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You can't expect professional athletes to suggest that they somehow are different than anyone else and they can't go into a store and buy something that anyone else can buy.

JOHNS: But the commissioner of baseball says all should be banned.

BUD SELIG, COMMISSIONER, MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL: Regardless of whether the substances are categorized as steroids or nutritional supplements.

JOHNS (on camera): A proposal to crack down on some of those substances is gaining momentum here, but in the end, Congress may be able to do little more than shine a light on the problem.

Joe Johns, CNN, Capitol Hill.

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HEMMER: All right, let's talk more about it.

Senator Joe Biden of Delaware was there for that session yesterday, back with us on AMERICAN MORNING.

Nice to see you, Senator.

Good morning to you.

SEN. JOSEPH BIDEN (D-DE), FOREIGN RELATIONS COMMITTEE: Good to see you.

HEMMER: What do you think is the solution here?

BIDEN: Well, back in 1990, folks like Joe Johns said there's little we can do then, too, and I was able to finally, after three years, get a steroid bill passed. Steroid use has dropped among high school students, college students. It's dropped across the board. And people's lives have been saved in the process. And now what happened was the drug companies figured out a way to get around my law. And so they have these precursors to steroids that we find have a same properties of enhancing performance and also diminishing health.

So for the last two years, I've had a bill, along with Senator Hatch, to say that THG, you know, human hormone supplements, Andro, all of these things -- and we list them -- should also be treated exactly like steroids and that's the real issue here.

The -- you heard them say, the players' union say why couldn't they walk in and go to the counter and buy what's legal? Well, they can right now. That's too bad. I want to make it illegal to be able to buy those things.

HEMMER: Here's what Donald Fehr said yesterday, in part. I'll put it on the screen for our viewers to see it. Quoting now: "It is not up to the individual to prove he is innocent, especially of a charge of which he is not reasonably suspected."

You're up for a fight against the union. Is the union too strong in baseball?

BIDEN: Well, I don't know if it's too strong in baseball. I think the owners are irrational in baseball, too. I'm a baseball fan and I think they're both crazy right now. I don't like the way the owners act so high-handedly. So I know -- there's an absolute need for the union. And I don't like the way the union's taken its position here.

But my law is not about the unions. My law is about saying anyone, who uses any of these drugs that are listed, these precursors, will be violating a law. And if they are found to have done it, they will be convicted and they can go to jail, just like the use of steroid now. Unless it's a prescription, you can't use it. That's all I'm trying to do. And if I do that, what we do is we change the culture, as well.

Right now, two thirds of all the kids in America think their favorite athletes are "on the juice," according to a Kaiser Family Foundation poll.

And beyond this, beyond the health side of this, what message are we sending about our culture? And I say to Donald Fehr, what about those Olympic athletes? They are pure, they are doing this not for money, most of them. They're the genuine article. We test all of them. We test all of them.

HEMMER: Senator, here's what we're hearing from some of our viewers online by way of e-mail. They say that homeland security, the war on terror, health care, insecurity, Social Security -- why put this at the forefront of concerns on Capitol Hill? Why is it important to you to end it?

BIDEN: Well, I don't think it is at the forefront. I've had this bill now for the last two years. No one's paid attention to it, including you guys, until ESPN started to play it. So now it's a gigantic issue, because it has a lot of zing and zazz to it. You've got these famous players using it. It's important. It's nowhere near as important as getting the budget straight. It's nowhere near as important as making sure that we, in fact, win the war on terror. But it does go to our culture. It goes to our basic values. We can no longer say in this country that we want to teach our kids values and say but, by the way, in this meritocracy, you're allowed to go juice up and get an advantage over the other guy. It's totally inconsistent messages we're sending.

So it's important. It's not as important as the war on terror. It's not as important as dealing with a half a trillion dollar budget deficit.

HEMMER: Thank you, Senator.

Always good to have you here.

BIDEN: Thank you.

HEMMER: Come back anytime, all right?

BIDEN: Bye-bye.

HEMMER: Joe Biden from D.C.

O'BRIEN: Still to come this morning, one year after Elizabeth was reunited with her family, we're going to update you on the case against those who are accused of abducting her. We're going to talk live with Elizabeth Smart's parents. There they are. We're going to see how they're doing, as well.

HEMMER: Also, hear some of the most dramatic testimony yet in the Jayson Williams trial, much of it coming from his own friends. We'll get to that with Toobin.

O'BRIEN: Also, a new weapon in the fight against breast cancer. We'll tell you the results of a new study, just ahead on AMERICAN MORNING.

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HEMMER: From Madrid, Spain, if you're just joining us, a series of explosions, 13 reported, at the height of morning rush hour in the Spanish capital. The reports we're getting, 173 dead, more than 600 are wounded.

We will not leave this story long. We've been watching it for hours. More on this throughout the morning here on AMERICAN MORNING.

Now Soledad.

O'BRIEN: An anniversary to talk about. Tomorrow marks the one year anniversary of the day that Elizabeth Smart returned home after she was abducted and held for nine months. Today, Elizabeth is just like any other 16-year-old. She talks on the phone, talks and talks and talks, we imagine. Also, she's driving now. Meanwhile, Brian David Mitchell and Wanda Barzee have been charged with kidnapping, sexual assault and burglary. Barzee was deemed mentally incompetent to stand trial, while Mitchell's competency is expected to be decided in May.

So what's life been like in the year that Elizabeth has been home with her family?

Her parents, Ed and Lois Smart, are with us this morning.

Nice to see you.

LOIS SMART, MOTHER OF ELIZABETH SMART: Good to see you.

O'BRIEN: Hard to believe it's a year. Wow. Does it seem like a long time or does it seem like it's gone like that?

ED SMART, FATHER OF ELIZABETH SMART: It's gone like that.

L. SMART: So fast.

O'BRIEN: Really?

L. SMART: Yes.

E. SMART: It's great.

O'BRIEN: Tell me a little bit about what Elizabeth is doing. I remember last time we spoke, you were, Mrs. Smart, were really anxious about the fact that Elizabeth was ready to drive.

L. SMART: Yes. She is driving. She's dating. She is working. She's going to school. She's shopping. And no longer wears sensible shoes. You can bet...

O'BRIEN: You know what? She's a girl after my own heart.

L. SMART: She's...

O'BRIEN: Who needs sensible shoes?

L. SMART: ... early years...

O'BRIEN: How is she doing psychologically?

L. SMART: Great. She is receiving therapy still and just doing very well.

O'BRIEN: Last time we spoke, you, we talked a little bit about the impact of the family and the upcoming trial, just a little bit. And I'm curious to know the status of what's going on with that right now. As we mentioned, Wanda Barzee has been deemed mentally impact.

What happens to her?

E. SMART: You know, the last word that we had was that she was going to be -- well, she's waiting to get into the mental institution, the Utah hospital. And there's no room at the moment, which, you know, she's going to be in prison or, you know, incarcerated. So, you know, that's fine that she, you know, is going there.

O'BRIEN: What happens, what's the status of Brian David Mitchell?

E. SMART: You know, they've assigned a new attorney for him and we're waiting to see what happens as far as his competency hearing. And that's going to be in May some time.

O'BRIEN: You must have concerns about -- would Elizabeth have to testify, if this goes to trial, I mean if it's deemed that he is competent?

E. SMART: We don't know. And...

L. SMART: We hope not.

O'BRIEN: Yes, I would imagine. Because even if she doesn't have to testify, are you concerned about the impact just a trial starting...

L. SMART: Yes.

O'BRIEN: ... even if not, no one in your family has to be there physically.

What do you do to protect your kids against that and your family against that?

E. SMART: I don't know, what can you do? I mean really, she, she is doing wonderfully. She doesn't just sit there and focus on what happened to her in the past. And she is, I mean it is really a miracle to see her going forward. She's not crippled by this. She's your typical 16-year-old.

O'BRIEN: Partners In Safety is a new organization that you've started. And you've brought a little bit of the information in to us.

E. SMART: Yes.

O'BRIEN: What exactly is it?

E. SMART: Well, tomorrow we're going to kick off Partners In Safety, and we have teamed up with the Girl Scouts of Utah, along with law enforcement, a company -- a non-profit called RAD Kids, another one, KinderVision and then the National Center. And each one of those are focusing on preventive measures. RAD Kids teaches defensive behavior. KinderVision basically has some simplified videos that they provide free to anyone that at the tail end of it, they take a little picture of the children being interviewed and it creates an interest spot where, you know, the problem that we've been seeing with so many children is you talk to them about what not to do, but it doesn't sink in. Hopefully by seeing this over and over again, it will sink in.

And then the National Center has a wonderful program called Net Smarts that teaches children how to be smart on the Internet.

O'BRIEN: Well, if anyone knows how to protect their kids in dealing with the aftermath, it is the two of you.

Thanks for coming in to talk to us again.

E. SMART: Thank you.

O'BRIEN: We really appreciate it.

It's nice to see you, as always.

E. SMART: Appreciate it.

L. SMART: Thank you.

O'BRIEN: Bill?

HEMMER: All right, Soledad.

In a moment here, a hockey player's tearful apology for a blindside attack on another player. In a short time, Todd Bertuzzi learns his punishment.

Back in a moment on AMERICAN MORNING.

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HEMMER: Within the hour, about 30 minutes from now, in fact, the National Hockey League expected to announce how it will President Saddam Hussein Todd Bertuzzi of the Vancouver Canucks. Bertuzzi attacked Colorado's Steve Moore on Monday night, leaving Moore with a broken neck, a concussion and several facial cuts.

Last night, Bertuzzi went before the microphones and the cameras, publicly apologizing to Moore and the fans. Moore remains in a Vancouver hospital at this hour.

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TODD BERTUZZI, VANCOUVER CANUCKS PLAYER: Steve, I just want to apologize for what happened out there, that I had no intention on hurting you, that I feel awful for what transpired. To the fans of hockey and to the fans of Vancouver, for the kids that watch this game, I'm truly sorry. I don't play the game that way and I'm not a mean-spirited person. And I'm sorry for what happened.

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HEMMER: In addition to this, Vancouver police looking into that attack on the ice earlier in the week. And, again, 9:00 a.m. Eastern time, expect an announcement from the NHL. We'll have it for you when it happens.

O'BRIEN: Mr. Cafferty is with us now.

CAFFERTY: Wow, tough stuff.

O'BRIEN: Yes, you know, it's hard to see that.

CAFFERTY: Oh, yes, it's...

O'BRIEN: And you see it over and over again.

CAFFERTY: You know, that's a shame. The guy's career and his whole life may be ruined.

Anyway, Senator John McCain -- on to other issues here -- is threatening that Congress will crack down on steroid use in major league baseball if the baseball league and the unions don't do something about it. The executive director of the players union says he thinks the current testing is sufficient.

In National Football League, positive test results, an immediate four game suspension. The Olympics, they take away the medals, kick them clear out of the competition.

Should there be a zero tolerance policy for steroids in baseball?

Bob in Ohio writes: "Who cares? I haven't gone to a major league game since the cry babies went on strike. The American pastime has become big business, just like all the other team sports, and only cares about the bottom line for both teams and players. The fans get stuck with the bill for all these over pricey prima donnas."

Michael in Stoutsville, Ohio -- Ohio's awake this morning, Bill. They're writing in.

HEMMER: How about that?

CAFFERTY: "The cult of celebrity and wealth are the engines of this nation. I hear of players making $6 million a year complaining about their pay. The Congress creates a pay and benefit plan for themselves that they deny to the rest of us. Even the Roman Empire crumbled under the weight of subsidizing those who are most able to pay their own way."

And Phil writes: "I'm delighted to learn that all the little problems facing us -- terrorism, health care, Social Security -- have been resolved so that Congress can focus on the bigger issues, like steroid use in baseball. Sleep well tonight because Congress will."

HEMMER: Now, listen, at your request, we asked Senator Biden...

O'BRIEN: Right, Senator Biden, yes.

HEMMER: ... about that. He said, listen, it in no way compares to national security or the war on terror. But it goes to the culture and to the values of the country, his words from, what, 15 minutes ago.

CAFFERTY: Very senatorial.

HEMMER: How about that?

CAFFERTY: I like that.

O'BRIEN: It was fairly senatorial.

CAFFERTY: No, that's right. That's what they -- that's how they talk down there. It's very, it's cool.

O'BRIEN: I bought it.

CAFFERTY: Senate speak.

O'BRIEN: Yes, it was.

Still to come this morning, a staggering death toll. Still no claim of responsibility. We've got the latest on today's bomb attacks in Madrid that have killed close to 200 people. We're going to talk to Spain's ambassador to the United States, coming up next.

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