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Jayson Williams Trial; Steroid-Like Substance Andro Crackdown
Aired March 12, 2004 - 07:30 ET
THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.
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BILL HEMMER, CNN ANCHOR: Let's get to Spain again now. Top stories at the bottom of the hour here.
Spain's prime minister says all leads are being pursued as investigators try to determine who is responsible for a series of deadly explosions in Madrid. Nearly 200 are dead. Spanish officials had initially blamed the Basque separatist group, ETA, for the attacks. Spain now observing three days of mourning for the victims.
More violence to talk about from Iraq today. Two U.S. soldiers killed in a roadside bomb attack northeast of Habaniya (ph) in the Sunni triangle. A third soldier was injured in that attack, which took place yesterday.
Meanwhile, U.S. officials are concerned that members of the Iraqi police force may have been behind an attack near Karbala on Tuesday. Two American civilians were killed in that incident.
This country now, from the city of San Francisco officials have stopped giving out marriage licenses to same-sex couple -- at least for now anyway. The California Supreme Court yesterday ordered a halt to same-sex marriages until legal wrangling on the issue is worked out.
Meanwhile, the other end of the country, Massachusetts lawmakers there are one step closer to amending the constitution in that state to ban same-sex marriage, but allow civil unions.
College hoops now, a college basketball shocker. The No. 1 team in the country, that tiny school from Philadelphia, Saint Joseph's, fell to the unranked Xavier Musketeers. Eight-ten quarter-finals from yesterday, Xavier stunning the Hawks, 87-67, an absolute pounding from the beginning. That defeat may cost Saint Joseph's a top seeding in the NCAA tournament that begins next week. The Musketeers go on to play George Washington in the semi-finals tonight.
Also in New York, your fans of the show "Sex and the City" can now dress like Carrie and her friends, where hundreds packed into a store in New York City yesterday searching for the items worn on the show. The final episode of "Sex and the City" aired last month. Soledad was not there, I don't think, yesterday, were you?
O'BRIEN: No. You know why? Because they're really little tiny people, and I'm just not going to fit into anything.
HEMMER: That's not true. Come on. You've got a couple things going on down there, don't you? Can I say that and not get backhanded?
O'BRIEN: Yes, you can. It's all true.
(WEATHER BREAK)
O'BRIEN: The manslaughter trial of former NBA star Jayson Williams will resume on Monday morning. Yesterday, the prosecution turned to a renowned witness as it tried to bolster its case.
Maria Hinojosa was there.
(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
MARIA HINOJOSA, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Five weeks on trial may be taking a toll on former basketball star Jayson Williams. On Thursday, he faced Dr. Henry Lee, who took the stand for the prosecution. Lee is a renowned forensic specialist, who testified in the O.J. Simpson and JonBenet Ramsey cases.
DR. HENRY LEE, FORENSIC SCIENTIST: This is the bedroom. Everything in the proper place.
HINOJOSA: Lee's testimony, based only on photographs he saw, supported that of other prosecution witnesses, who said they saw Williams shoot his limo driver, Gus Christofi, at close range.
LEE: The weapon, the barrel to target is approximately 6 to 18 inches. So, in other words, the shooter more likely, probably, four or five feet away.
HINOJOSA: Lee testified the weapon was handled after the shooting. The prosecution says Williams attempted a cover-up.
LEE: Weapon was found next to doorway. It's inconsistent what our reconstruction. Somebody had to move the weapon to that location. So we see being altered.
HINOJOSA: The defense maintains the shooting was an accident, and challenged the accusation of a cover-up.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You don't know who touched those hands, how those hands were touched or anything about that, correct?
LEE: Did I say anybody?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No, I'm asking you yes or no. Just say no if you don't.
LEE: I don't.
HINOJOSA (on camera): The trial resumes on Monday with more prosecution witnesses. Because of a gag order, no one knows if Jayson Williams will take the stand to try to convince jurors it was an accident. If convicted, he faces a maximum of 55 years in prison.
Maria Hinojosa, CNN, New York. (END VIDEOTAPE)
O'BRIEN: A DNA expert also testified yesterday. He says a sample from the shotgun barrel contained DNA from at least three people. He says it may have come from Williams and Christofi, but a positive match could not be made because not enough DNA was recovered -- Bill.
HEMMER: Twenty-five minutes before the hour.
The supplement that Mark McGuire made somewhat infamous, the use of Andro soared when McGuire revealed that back in 1998 when he had taken it, he hit more than 70 homeruns, breaking a Major League record at the time. That was then; this is now.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
TOMMY THOMPSON, SECRETARY OF HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES: Products containing Andro may seem to have short-term benefits, but the science shows us that they create real and significant health risks. The amount of Andro needed to build muscle or enhance performance is enough to put the consumer at risk for serious long-term health consequences.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
HEMMER: That government crackdown announced yesterday comes after Congress called Major League Baseball officials on the carpet, accusing them of being soft on the issue of steroids and steroid testing.
So now, will the administration's warning about Andro and similar substances make a difference? The FDA says yes. Dr. Gary Wadler is not so sure. He's a professor at NYU school of medicine and an expert on drug use in sports. He's with us now.
Nice to you again, doctor.
DR. GARY WADLER, NYU SCHOOL OF MEDICINE: Good to see you.
HEMMER: Good morning to you.
You say this is a band-aid. No effect?
WADLER: Well, I think it has some effect. I think there's a message out about this substance, but I think this ultimately has to be translated into legislation. This is really an administrative action. It clearly can be subjected to some sort of legal action by the supplement industry the way they did with ephedra. So, I think the ultimate remedy is going to have to be legislative.
HEMMER: But the announcement from yesterday, the commissioner of the FDA saying these products are going to be off the market. Is he wrong?
WADLER: Well, 23 different companies were advised to stop selling it for violating a provision of the Dietary Supplement Act of 1994. But that, as I say, is an administrative action. Clearly, the industry, historically, has challenged those kinds of administrative actions. And so, I see it as a -- and I hope it happens -- as a band- aid effect. But ultimately, until the law of the land is changed, things are not going to be as I want them.
HEMMER: If I'm taking Andro, how is that dangerous to me?
WADLER: Well, Andro becomes testosterone in the body. We're all familiar with anabolic steroids. Anabolic steroids are nothing more than synthetic derivatives of testosterone. In the body, Andro becomes testosterone. If you can't buy testosterone because it's a controlled substance under federal law, what people have done is take a bunch of Andro, large amounts of Andro, and have their body make the testosterone. So, it's a way of circumventing the law, recognizing how dangerous testosterone is when it is abused.
So, it's really a flaw in our law. And so, the law ultimately needs to be changed.
HEMMER: Andro can make you stronger. Especially if you're an athlete, you need that (UNINTELLIGIBLE).
WADLER: It's the same as taking testosterone at the end of the day. It's just -- if you take enough of it, you will raise your testosterone. And all the things that testosterone does, that anabolic steroids do, Andro could do if you took enough of it.
HEMMER: A different substance: THG.
WADLER: Yes.
HEMMER: You know, it's been talked about, Balco, the company out of East Bay in Oakland.
WADLER: Yes.
HEMMER: If someone is taking THG and they go off it, let's say, in mid-October, five months ago at the end of the Major League Baseball season, how long before that's worked out of the system?
WADLER: Every one of these steroids have a certain period of time before they get out of the body. But if you continue to work out, particularly resistive exercises -- lifting weights, using machines -- and if you stop taking the anabolic steroids, you can go on for months after you stop taking the drug. Your urine will be clean, but you are still deriving the benefits. And it will gradually taper off over a period of time.
So, if you can take steroids prior to spring training and you know just about how long it takes your body to get rid of this, you stop it at that period of time.
HEMMER: But you're saying it's still in the body, but it cannot be detected? Is that your thinking? WADLER: No, it's no longer in the body, but the muscles themselves have changed in their nature, so that they can now be enlarged by lifting weights in an extraordinary amount. And that capacity will last for a long time. But you can't find the drug in the urine anymore. It's long gone.
HEMMER: Opening day is a month away. Thank you, Dr. Gary Wadler. Nice to see you again.
WADLER: Thank you.
HEMMER: All right -- Soledad.
O'BRIEN: Still to come this morning, as Spain mourns those killed in yesterday's bombings, the search for who is responsible. Is al Qaeda to blame?
HEMMER: Also, new pictures from the Red Planet. NASA's lead scientist for Mars exploration joins us to talk about what the secrets may hold in these photos.
O'BRIEN: And how is Martha Stewart handling life after her conviction and the possibility of a prison term? We're going to talk with her close friend just ahead. Stay with us. You are watching AMERICAN MORNING.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
HEMMER: Spirit and Opportunity, those Red Planet pioneers, the rovers are out yet again. Jim Garvin is NASA's lead scientist for the Mars exploration. He's in D.C. this morning to talk about the latest photos and what they're telling us.
Nice to see you, Mr. Garvin. Good morning to you.
JIM GARVIN, NASA LEAD SCIENTIST FOR MARS EXPLORATION: Well, good morning, Bill.
HEMMER: Let's look at exhibit No. 1, the first photo. This is looking into a crater called Bonneville. What are we seeing here? Why so special?
GARVIN: Well, Bill, this is Mother Nature's great excavator, and we're hoping this crater has exposed the kind of rocks, will tell us more of the story at this Spirit site the history of water.
HEMMER: Yes. And also in this next photo here, they superimposed the Rover. What's the intention of that?
GARVIN: Well, Bill, this is our path-planning tool. Our rover drivers have the ultimate video game. They get to use real Mars and simulate the driving of the Spirit or Opportunity rover to where we want to go. And last night, we drove right to the edge of that crater. So, we're poised to look in, to look at the kind of rocks that we hope to see there, like the one I'm holding up now.
HEMMER: And what is that?
GARVIN: This is breccia, and that's a good crossword puzzle word. But it's a rock made in an impact here on Earth in a crater that contains bits of other kinds of rock all stuck together. If we can find this kind of rock on Mars, we may get clues to what's underground. It will tell us more about perhaps the history of water. . HEMMER: Even more important when we're working that crossword on Sunday morning, how do you spell that?
GARVIN: That's B-R-E-C-C-I-A.
HEMMER: All right, we got it now. Thanks for the clue. A 3D view is our next photo. Tell us what's in here.
GARVIN: Well, here is a view now of our own way of digging into Mars. Mars has a thin skin, and we want to see under the grains of soil. So now, we're going to fly into a three or four-inch-deep trench that we dug with the wheels the Spirit rover. And in there, you can see there is layering. Some of the soil has been compacted. And by exploring this, we can look beneath the level that the sun's rays, its energy and the energy of deep space penetrates Mars. This may be where we find some of the hidden clues of the planet..
HEMMER: Interesting. This is all from Spirit. On the other end of the planet there is Opportunity. Another photo here. It shows a lot of color. What does that signify?
GARVIN: Well, now here we are 6,000 miles away in this little 60-foot crater. The colors here are a way we can use the eyes of the rover, a special instrument, to map where this key telltale mineral, hematite, is located. So, we are now mapping our surroundings before we drive up to the places to explore up close with the arm and the wheels.
HEMMER: All right, back to Spirit now. We believe this is the first photo ever taken of our own planet from another planet in space. And that's where we are.
GARVIN: That's where we are, a little dot in the sky from Mars. And the last time we did anything like this was 30-something years ago when the Apollo human astronauts did pictures like this of the Earth from the moon.
HEMMER: Oh, you're enjoying this, aren't you?
GARVIN: Oh, indeed, Bill.
HEMMER: Jim Garvin, thanks. Have a good weekend. Nice to talk to you.
GARVIN: Thank you.
HEMMER: All right -- Soledad.
O'BRIEN: That's a pretty cool final picture. I like that. Now, it's time to check in with Jack and the question of the day.
JACK CAFFERTY, CNN ANCHOR: Thank you, Soledad.
Nobody is sure at this point who orchestrated yesterday's bombing in Madrid, but there are sign that point to al Qaeda. The scale of the attack, unlike anything ETA, the Basque separatist organization, has ever carried out in Spain. Spain was an ally of the U.S. war in Iraq. The bombings happened on 3/11, two and a half years to the day after 9/11 here in the United States. A van found in a Madrid suburb containing seven detonators and an Arabic tape of Quranic teachings.
So, we're interested in your thoughts this morning on whether or not you're afraid the Madrid bombings might be the work of al Qaeda. We're getting a ton of mail, and it's interesting stuff.
Rich writes this: "Probably, but that's not the question here. When are we going to go after these people? That's the question. They talk about how remote the border is between Afghanistan and Pakistan. I don't care how remote it is. Let's go get these jerks and put an end to this senseless violence."
Shannon in Dillsburg, Pennsylvania: "Does it really matter who did it? Just the fact that it happened scares me. We live in a different world now where sick people want to hurt innocent people for political, religious and social reasons. I take that personally."
Pat writes from Island Lake, Illinois: "Anyone who has been following current events knows it was al Qaeda not ETA. The Basque effort has never done anything so complex aimed at mass casualties. The Bushies don't want it tied to al Qaeda because they want us all to feel safer after Iraq. The stock market yesterday tells the tale."
Steve in Houston: "Al Qaeda may not be the big group it once was, but it's not extinct either. It only takes one person with the knowledge to lead a bunch of animals to do what was done in Spain."
And finally, Bill in Ada, Ohio: "I'll bet the people of Spain are glad that Bush made the world safer by attacking Saddam Hussein."
AM@cnn.com if you have any thoughts on this. Interesting letters.
HEMMER: Indeed, they are.
CAFFERTY: Yes.
HEMMER: There's a good piece in "The Wall Street Journal" today -- check it out -- about safety on train travel, not just here, in Washington or New York or Paris or Madrid.
CAFFERTY: What if I told you I've already read it?
HEMMER: Go ahead. What did you learn from it?
CAFFERTY: Well, that the trains aren't safe. I mean... HEMMER: Oh, there's no way to keep them safe, and if you're going to do it, you're going to have to spend billions (UNINTELLIGIBLE) close to it.
CAFFERTY: You can't keep trains safe.
HEMMER: That's exactly right.
CAFFERTY: You can't keep tunnels and bridges safe. You can't keep the ports safe. I mean, it's, you know...
O'BRIEN: That's the take away after every terrorist attack.
CAFFERTY: Yes.
(CROSSTALK)
O'BRIEN: To some degree there no way to really protect yourself.
CAFFERTY: Yes.
O'BRIEN: As sad as that is to say.
Still to come this morning, Martha Stewart's friend and stylist spent every morning with her during the trial. She is going to tell how the domestic diva is coping with the prospect of a prison term. That's ahead on AMERICAN MORNING.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
O'BRIEN: How does Martha Stewart feel about the possibility of going to prison? Eva Scrivo is Stewart's stylist; also a close friend. (AUDIO GAP) joins us this morning to give us a little idea of Stewart's current frame of mind as she awaits her sentencing.
Nice to see you. Thanks for being with us.
EVA SCRIVO, MARTHA STEWART'S STYLIST, FRIEND: Absolutely.
O'BRIEN: How often do you talk to Martha Stewart? Obviously, you saw her every day during the trial.
SCRIVO: Every day, and for many years. You know, we've -- it wasn't just a stylist relationship. Because it's so intimate, we became friends. And I have spoke to her every day since the verdict was announced.
O'BRIEN: One has to imagine that she is just devastated by the verdict. I mean...
SCRIVO: Absolutely.
O'BRIEN: ... and the prospect of going to prison. What has she said about this? I know you've said in the past that you didn't talk about it during the trial. SCRIVO: You know, we tried to remain, you know, very positive, and I think that everyone was very surprised by the verdict -- everyone that I know. And I think even just a lot of people in the world. As proof of that, how her stock rallied 20 percent higher than it was because everyone had such faith in her, you know, before the verdict was announced.
O'BRIEN: At the same time, you saw her daughter break down...
SCRIVO: Right.
O'BRIEN: ... and fall apart, and Martha Stewart never did. And some jurors actually when they came out later to talk to the press said that demeanor during the entire trial left them to feel that she was cold and arrogant...
SCRIVO: I think...
O'BRIEN: ... a big -- you know, a big fat cat kind of person.
SCRIVO: I see what you are saying, and Martha is a very stoic, strong human being who has went through a tremendous amount of adversity to build an empire of this size. So I think that she is somewhat can be self-contained in the sadness. You know, but it doesn't mean that it's not real and it doesn't exist. You know, she's a real person with a lot of feelings about this, and it saddens her greatly that it's come to this decision, you know.
O'BRIEN: Does she talk about at all her legal advice? Because, of course, after the verdict, many people across the spectrum said that her legal team did a bad job by putting on a minimal defense.
SCRIVO: Well, you know, I think that her attorneys did everything with the best intentions for this trial, although I think in hindsight things would have been done differently.
O'BRIEN: And, of course, you know, hindsight, as they say, is 20/20.
SCRIVO: Yes.
O'BRIEN: Does she say anything about in hindsight? Just -- you know, many people have also said if at the start of all of this she had just came forward and said, I'm sorry, I did it, let me pay the fine, you know...
SCRIVO: Sure.
O'BRIEN: ... all of this could have been avoided.
SCRIVO: Well, Martha is a tremendously honest person of all that I have got from her. Over the years, I've observed her in many circumstances. I've traveled with her all over the country, spotlighting the artisans around the country, bringing them to her show. I see how much good that she does, and I really see her as an honest businesswoman. O'BRIEN: Some people said it was greed, though, that, you know, the $40,000 to $50,000, that it was sort -- that that was a symbol of someone going after a small amount of money and that was greed, when she's worth, I mean, a ton of money. Do you see her as a greedy person?
SCRIVO: I don't see her being that petty. Martha always looks at the big picture of things. And I think that, you know, through this time the focus is really on the company at this point. It's very important to her, and I think the product, the quality and the reputation of the product will remain very strong.
O'BRIEN: Has she said anything about what happens next? What her concerns are? I mean, you know, there's a very good chance she's going to go to prison for a decent amount of time.
SCRIVO: Well, I think she's going to appeal, and her attorneys are, I'm sure, diligently working on this. And I think a lot is going to happen in the next few months. You know, I think that she's incredibly resourceful and reinvents herself with new ideas all the time, which is so evident in her company. So, I wouldn't be a bit surprised if something happens over the next few months, whether it be information or shedding some light on what happened.
O'BRIEN: Why do you think people treat her so -- and I think this is fair to say -- viciously at times. I mean, some of the attacks on her have been very vicious, outside of the legal issues...
SCRIVO: Right.
O'BRIEN: ... outside of whether she was guilty or not of what she was charged with doing.
SCRIVO: Absolutely.
O'BRIEN: Just the attacks, and I don't mean the "Saturday Night Live" parodies...
SCRIVO: Sure.
O'BRIEN: ... which I think everyone who is in the press at some point gets. . SCRIVO: Of course. Which Martha thinks is very funny.
O'BRIEN: Really?
SCRIVO: She laughs at herself all the time, and she thinks that those parodies are hilarious. She's even had Anna Gesta (ph) on her show during one Christmas special. But I think that there are many layers to that question, but one being that I think there's a great double standard in this country with women business owners.
O'BRIEN: Do you think that's it, that explains it?
SCRIVO: I think it's a part of it. And being a female business owner myself, I see this double standard, like, you know, there is show right now, "The Apprentice," on television that is just about a CEO being difficult and firing people. I mean, I can't imagine seeing Martha in that position. You know, I don't think society would allow it.
O'BRIEN: It's charming when it's Donald Trump.
SCRIVO: Absolutely.
O'BRIEN: It's not charming when it's Martha Stewart.
SCRIVO: Absolutely. And all of the focus of this trial was put on her appearance, which I don't think it would have been with a man like -- I don't think, you know, we're looking at Dennis Kozlowski's briefcase or his shoes when his trial begins.
O'BRIEN: Doing before and after the makeover pictures.
SCRIVO: Yes, absolutely.
O'BRIEN: Interesting point. Eva Scrivo, it was nice to see you.
SCRIVO: Thank you for having me.
O'BRIEN: Thanks for coming in to talk to us about this. It's really fascinating.
SCRIVO: It's a pleasure. It's from my heart.
O'BRIEN: Thank you -- Bill.
HEMMER: In a moment here, Soledad, the search for who is to blame for the deadly bombings in Spain. Back to Madrid live in a moment here. It's midday there in Spain. We'll get you there live right after this on AMERICAN MORNING.
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Aired March 12, 2004 - 07:30 ET
THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.
BILL HEMMER, CNN ANCHOR: Let's get to Spain again now. Top stories at the bottom of the hour here.
Spain's prime minister says all leads are being pursued as investigators try to determine who is responsible for a series of deadly explosions in Madrid. Nearly 200 are dead. Spanish officials had initially blamed the Basque separatist group, ETA, for the attacks. Spain now observing three days of mourning for the victims.
More violence to talk about from Iraq today. Two U.S. soldiers killed in a roadside bomb attack northeast of Habaniya (ph) in the Sunni triangle. A third soldier was injured in that attack, which took place yesterday.
Meanwhile, U.S. officials are concerned that members of the Iraqi police force may have been behind an attack near Karbala on Tuesday. Two American civilians were killed in that incident.
This country now, from the city of San Francisco officials have stopped giving out marriage licenses to same-sex couple -- at least for now anyway. The California Supreme Court yesterday ordered a halt to same-sex marriages until legal wrangling on the issue is worked out.
Meanwhile, the other end of the country, Massachusetts lawmakers there are one step closer to amending the constitution in that state to ban same-sex marriage, but allow civil unions.
College hoops now, a college basketball shocker. The No. 1 team in the country, that tiny school from Philadelphia, Saint Joseph's, fell to the unranked Xavier Musketeers. Eight-ten quarter-finals from yesterday, Xavier stunning the Hawks, 87-67, an absolute pounding from the beginning. That defeat may cost Saint Joseph's a top seeding in the NCAA tournament that begins next week. The Musketeers go on to play George Washington in the semi-finals tonight.
Also in New York, your fans of the show "Sex and the City" can now dress like Carrie and her friends, where hundreds packed into a store in New York City yesterday searching for the items worn on the show. The final episode of "Sex and the City" aired last month. Soledad was not there, I don't think, yesterday, were you?
O'BRIEN: No. You know why? Because they're really little tiny people, and I'm just not going to fit into anything.
HEMMER: That's not true. Come on. You've got a couple things going on down there, don't you? Can I say that and not get backhanded?
O'BRIEN: Yes, you can. It's all true.
(WEATHER BREAK)
O'BRIEN: The manslaughter trial of former NBA star Jayson Williams will resume on Monday morning. Yesterday, the prosecution turned to a renowned witness as it tried to bolster its case.
Maria Hinojosa was there.
(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
MARIA HINOJOSA, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Five weeks on trial may be taking a toll on former basketball star Jayson Williams. On Thursday, he faced Dr. Henry Lee, who took the stand for the prosecution. Lee is a renowned forensic specialist, who testified in the O.J. Simpson and JonBenet Ramsey cases.
DR. HENRY LEE, FORENSIC SCIENTIST: This is the bedroom. Everything in the proper place.
HINOJOSA: Lee's testimony, based only on photographs he saw, supported that of other prosecution witnesses, who said they saw Williams shoot his limo driver, Gus Christofi, at close range.
LEE: The weapon, the barrel to target is approximately 6 to 18 inches. So, in other words, the shooter more likely, probably, four or five feet away.
HINOJOSA: Lee testified the weapon was handled after the shooting. The prosecution says Williams attempted a cover-up.
LEE: Weapon was found next to doorway. It's inconsistent what our reconstruction. Somebody had to move the weapon to that location. So we see being altered.
HINOJOSA: The defense maintains the shooting was an accident, and challenged the accusation of a cover-up.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You don't know who touched those hands, how those hands were touched or anything about that, correct?
LEE: Did I say anybody?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No, I'm asking you yes or no. Just say no if you don't.
LEE: I don't.
HINOJOSA (on camera): The trial resumes on Monday with more prosecution witnesses. Because of a gag order, no one knows if Jayson Williams will take the stand to try to convince jurors it was an accident. If convicted, he faces a maximum of 55 years in prison.
Maria Hinojosa, CNN, New York. (END VIDEOTAPE)
O'BRIEN: A DNA expert also testified yesterday. He says a sample from the shotgun barrel contained DNA from at least three people. He says it may have come from Williams and Christofi, but a positive match could not be made because not enough DNA was recovered -- Bill.
HEMMER: Twenty-five minutes before the hour.
The supplement that Mark McGuire made somewhat infamous, the use of Andro soared when McGuire revealed that back in 1998 when he had taken it, he hit more than 70 homeruns, breaking a Major League record at the time. That was then; this is now.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
TOMMY THOMPSON, SECRETARY OF HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES: Products containing Andro may seem to have short-term benefits, but the science shows us that they create real and significant health risks. The amount of Andro needed to build muscle or enhance performance is enough to put the consumer at risk for serious long-term health consequences.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
HEMMER: That government crackdown announced yesterday comes after Congress called Major League Baseball officials on the carpet, accusing them of being soft on the issue of steroids and steroid testing.
So now, will the administration's warning about Andro and similar substances make a difference? The FDA says yes. Dr. Gary Wadler is not so sure. He's a professor at NYU school of medicine and an expert on drug use in sports. He's with us now.
Nice to you again, doctor.
DR. GARY WADLER, NYU SCHOOL OF MEDICINE: Good to see you.
HEMMER: Good morning to you.
You say this is a band-aid. No effect?
WADLER: Well, I think it has some effect. I think there's a message out about this substance, but I think this ultimately has to be translated into legislation. This is really an administrative action. It clearly can be subjected to some sort of legal action by the supplement industry the way they did with ephedra. So, I think the ultimate remedy is going to have to be legislative.
HEMMER: But the announcement from yesterday, the commissioner of the FDA saying these products are going to be off the market. Is he wrong?
WADLER: Well, 23 different companies were advised to stop selling it for violating a provision of the Dietary Supplement Act of 1994. But that, as I say, is an administrative action. Clearly, the industry, historically, has challenged those kinds of administrative actions. And so, I see it as a -- and I hope it happens -- as a band- aid effect. But ultimately, until the law of the land is changed, things are not going to be as I want them.
HEMMER: If I'm taking Andro, how is that dangerous to me?
WADLER: Well, Andro becomes testosterone in the body. We're all familiar with anabolic steroids. Anabolic steroids are nothing more than synthetic derivatives of testosterone. In the body, Andro becomes testosterone. If you can't buy testosterone because it's a controlled substance under federal law, what people have done is take a bunch of Andro, large amounts of Andro, and have their body make the testosterone. So, it's a way of circumventing the law, recognizing how dangerous testosterone is when it is abused.
So, it's really a flaw in our law. And so, the law ultimately needs to be changed.
HEMMER: Andro can make you stronger. Especially if you're an athlete, you need that (UNINTELLIGIBLE).
WADLER: It's the same as taking testosterone at the end of the day. It's just -- if you take enough of it, you will raise your testosterone. And all the things that testosterone does, that anabolic steroids do, Andro could do if you took enough of it.
HEMMER: A different substance: THG.
WADLER: Yes.
HEMMER: You know, it's been talked about, Balco, the company out of East Bay in Oakland.
WADLER: Yes.
HEMMER: If someone is taking THG and they go off it, let's say, in mid-October, five months ago at the end of the Major League Baseball season, how long before that's worked out of the system?
WADLER: Every one of these steroids have a certain period of time before they get out of the body. But if you continue to work out, particularly resistive exercises -- lifting weights, using machines -- and if you stop taking the anabolic steroids, you can go on for months after you stop taking the drug. Your urine will be clean, but you are still deriving the benefits. And it will gradually taper off over a period of time.
So, if you can take steroids prior to spring training and you know just about how long it takes your body to get rid of this, you stop it at that period of time.
HEMMER: But you're saying it's still in the body, but it cannot be detected? Is that your thinking? WADLER: No, it's no longer in the body, but the muscles themselves have changed in their nature, so that they can now be enlarged by lifting weights in an extraordinary amount. And that capacity will last for a long time. But you can't find the drug in the urine anymore. It's long gone.
HEMMER: Opening day is a month away. Thank you, Dr. Gary Wadler. Nice to see you again.
WADLER: Thank you.
HEMMER: All right -- Soledad.
O'BRIEN: Still to come this morning, as Spain mourns those killed in yesterday's bombings, the search for who is responsible. Is al Qaeda to blame?
HEMMER: Also, new pictures from the Red Planet. NASA's lead scientist for Mars exploration joins us to talk about what the secrets may hold in these photos.
O'BRIEN: And how is Martha Stewart handling life after her conviction and the possibility of a prison term? We're going to talk with her close friend just ahead. Stay with us. You are watching AMERICAN MORNING.
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HEMMER: Spirit and Opportunity, those Red Planet pioneers, the rovers are out yet again. Jim Garvin is NASA's lead scientist for the Mars exploration. He's in D.C. this morning to talk about the latest photos and what they're telling us.
Nice to see you, Mr. Garvin. Good morning to you.
JIM GARVIN, NASA LEAD SCIENTIST FOR MARS EXPLORATION: Well, good morning, Bill.
HEMMER: Let's look at exhibit No. 1, the first photo. This is looking into a crater called Bonneville. What are we seeing here? Why so special?
GARVIN: Well, Bill, this is Mother Nature's great excavator, and we're hoping this crater has exposed the kind of rocks, will tell us more of the story at this Spirit site the history of water.
HEMMER: Yes. And also in this next photo here, they superimposed the Rover. What's the intention of that?
GARVIN: Well, Bill, this is our path-planning tool. Our rover drivers have the ultimate video game. They get to use real Mars and simulate the driving of the Spirit or Opportunity rover to where we want to go. And last night, we drove right to the edge of that crater. So, we're poised to look in, to look at the kind of rocks that we hope to see there, like the one I'm holding up now.
HEMMER: And what is that?
GARVIN: This is breccia, and that's a good crossword puzzle word. But it's a rock made in an impact here on Earth in a crater that contains bits of other kinds of rock all stuck together. If we can find this kind of rock on Mars, we may get clues to what's underground. It will tell us more about perhaps the history of water. . HEMMER: Even more important when we're working that crossword on Sunday morning, how do you spell that?
GARVIN: That's B-R-E-C-C-I-A.
HEMMER: All right, we got it now. Thanks for the clue. A 3D view is our next photo. Tell us what's in here.
GARVIN: Well, here is a view now of our own way of digging into Mars. Mars has a thin skin, and we want to see under the grains of soil. So now, we're going to fly into a three or four-inch-deep trench that we dug with the wheels the Spirit rover. And in there, you can see there is layering. Some of the soil has been compacted. And by exploring this, we can look beneath the level that the sun's rays, its energy and the energy of deep space penetrates Mars. This may be where we find some of the hidden clues of the planet..
HEMMER: Interesting. This is all from Spirit. On the other end of the planet there is Opportunity. Another photo here. It shows a lot of color. What does that signify?
GARVIN: Well, now here we are 6,000 miles away in this little 60-foot crater. The colors here are a way we can use the eyes of the rover, a special instrument, to map where this key telltale mineral, hematite, is located. So, we are now mapping our surroundings before we drive up to the places to explore up close with the arm and the wheels.
HEMMER: All right, back to Spirit now. We believe this is the first photo ever taken of our own planet from another planet in space. And that's where we are.
GARVIN: That's where we are, a little dot in the sky from Mars. And the last time we did anything like this was 30-something years ago when the Apollo human astronauts did pictures like this of the Earth from the moon.
HEMMER: Oh, you're enjoying this, aren't you?
GARVIN: Oh, indeed, Bill.
HEMMER: Jim Garvin, thanks. Have a good weekend. Nice to talk to you.
GARVIN: Thank you.
HEMMER: All right -- Soledad.
O'BRIEN: That's a pretty cool final picture. I like that. Now, it's time to check in with Jack and the question of the day.
JACK CAFFERTY, CNN ANCHOR: Thank you, Soledad.
Nobody is sure at this point who orchestrated yesterday's bombing in Madrid, but there are sign that point to al Qaeda. The scale of the attack, unlike anything ETA, the Basque separatist organization, has ever carried out in Spain. Spain was an ally of the U.S. war in Iraq. The bombings happened on 3/11, two and a half years to the day after 9/11 here in the United States. A van found in a Madrid suburb containing seven detonators and an Arabic tape of Quranic teachings.
So, we're interested in your thoughts this morning on whether or not you're afraid the Madrid bombings might be the work of al Qaeda. We're getting a ton of mail, and it's interesting stuff.
Rich writes this: "Probably, but that's not the question here. When are we going to go after these people? That's the question. They talk about how remote the border is between Afghanistan and Pakistan. I don't care how remote it is. Let's go get these jerks and put an end to this senseless violence."
Shannon in Dillsburg, Pennsylvania: "Does it really matter who did it? Just the fact that it happened scares me. We live in a different world now where sick people want to hurt innocent people for political, religious and social reasons. I take that personally."
Pat writes from Island Lake, Illinois: "Anyone who has been following current events knows it was al Qaeda not ETA. The Basque effort has never done anything so complex aimed at mass casualties. The Bushies don't want it tied to al Qaeda because they want us all to feel safer after Iraq. The stock market yesterday tells the tale."
Steve in Houston: "Al Qaeda may not be the big group it once was, but it's not extinct either. It only takes one person with the knowledge to lead a bunch of animals to do what was done in Spain."
And finally, Bill in Ada, Ohio: "I'll bet the people of Spain are glad that Bush made the world safer by attacking Saddam Hussein."
AM@cnn.com if you have any thoughts on this. Interesting letters.
HEMMER: Indeed, they are.
CAFFERTY: Yes.
HEMMER: There's a good piece in "The Wall Street Journal" today -- check it out -- about safety on train travel, not just here, in Washington or New York or Paris or Madrid.
CAFFERTY: What if I told you I've already read it?
HEMMER: Go ahead. What did you learn from it?
CAFFERTY: Well, that the trains aren't safe. I mean... HEMMER: Oh, there's no way to keep them safe, and if you're going to do it, you're going to have to spend billions (UNINTELLIGIBLE) close to it.
CAFFERTY: You can't keep trains safe.
HEMMER: That's exactly right.
CAFFERTY: You can't keep tunnels and bridges safe. You can't keep the ports safe. I mean, it's, you know...
O'BRIEN: That's the take away after every terrorist attack.
CAFFERTY: Yes.
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O'BRIEN: To some degree there no way to really protect yourself.
CAFFERTY: Yes.
O'BRIEN: As sad as that is to say.
Still to come this morning, Martha Stewart's friend and stylist spent every morning with her during the trial. She is going to tell how the domestic diva is coping with the prospect of a prison term. That's ahead on AMERICAN MORNING.
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O'BRIEN: How does Martha Stewart feel about the possibility of going to prison? Eva Scrivo is Stewart's stylist; also a close friend. (AUDIO GAP) joins us this morning to give us a little idea of Stewart's current frame of mind as she awaits her sentencing.
Nice to see you. Thanks for being with us.
EVA SCRIVO, MARTHA STEWART'S STYLIST, FRIEND: Absolutely.
O'BRIEN: How often do you talk to Martha Stewart? Obviously, you saw her every day during the trial.
SCRIVO: Every day, and for many years. You know, we've -- it wasn't just a stylist relationship. Because it's so intimate, we became friends. And I have spoke to her every day since the verdict was announced.
O'BRIEN: One has to imagine that she is just devastated by the verdict. I mean...
SCRIVO: Absolutely.
O'BRIEN: ... and the prospect of going to prison. What has she said about this? I know you've said in the past that you didn't talk about it during the trial. SCRIVO: You know, we tried to remain, you know, very positive, and I think that everyone was very surprised by the verdict -- everyone that I know. And I think even just a lot of people in the world. As proof of that, how her stock rallied 20 percent higher than it was because everyone had such faith in her, you know, before the verdict was announced.
O'BRIEN: At the same time, you saw her daughter break down...
SCRIVO: Right.
O'BRIEN: ... and fall apart, and Martha Stewart never did. And some jurors actually when they came out later to talk to the press said that demeanor during the entire trial left them to feel that she was cold and arrogant...
SCRIVO: I think...
O'BRIEN: ... a big -- you know, a big fat cat kind of person.
SCRIVO: I see what you are saying, and Martha is a very stoic, strong human being who has went through a tremendous amount of adversity to build an empire of this size. So I think that she is somewhat can be self-contained in the sadness. You know, but it doesn't mean that it's not real and it doesn't exist. You know, she's a real person with a lot of feelings about this, and it saddens her greatly that it's come to this decision, you know.
O'BRIEN: Does she talk about at all her legal advice? Because, of course, after the verdict, many people across the spectrum said that her legal team did a bad job by putting on a minimal defense.
SCRIVO: Well, you know, I think that her attorneys did everything with the best intentions for this trial, although I think in hindsight things would have been done differently.
O'BRIEN: And, of course, you know, hindsight, as they say, is 20/20.
SCRIVO: Yes.
O'BRIEN: Does she say anything about in hindsight? Just -- you know, many people have also said if at the start of all of this she had just came forward and said, I'm sorry, I did it, let me pay the fine, you know...
SCRIVO: Sure.
O'BRIEN: ... all of this could have been avoided.
SCRIVO: Well, Martha is a tremendously honest person of all that I have got from her. Over the years, I've observed her in many circumstances. I've traveled with her all over the country, spotlighting the artisans around the country, bringing them to her show. I see how much good that she does, and I really see her as an honest businesswoman. O'BRIEN: Some people said it was greed, though, that, you know, the $40,000 to $50,000, that it was sort -- that that was a symbol of someone going after a small amount of money and that was greed, when she's worth, I mean, a ton of money. Do you see her as a greedy person?
SCRIVO: I don't see her being that petty. Martha always looks at the big picture of things. And I think that, you know, through this time the focus is really on the company at this point. It's very important to her, and I think the product, the quality and the reputation of the product will remain very strong.
O'BRIEN: Has she said anything about what happens next? What her concerns are? I mean, you know, there's a very good chance she's going to go to prison for a decent amount of time.
SCRIVO: Well, I think she's going to appeal, and her attorneys are, I'm sure, diligently working on this. And I think a lot is going to happen in the next few months. You know, I think that she's incredibly resourceful and reinvents herself with new ideas all the time, which is so evident in her company. So, I wouldn't be a bit surprised if something happens over the next few months, whether it be information or shedding some light on what happened.
O'BRIEN: Why do you think people treat her so -- and I think this is fair to say -- viciously at times. I mean, some of the attacks on her have been very vicious, outside of the legal issues...
SCRIVO: Right.
O'BRIEN: ... outside of whether she was guilty or not of what she was charged with doing.
SCRIVO: Absolutely.
O'BRIEN: Just the attacks, and I don't mean the "Saturday Night Live" parodies...
SCRIVO: Sure.
O'BRIEN: ... which I think everyone who is in the press at some point gets. . SCRIVO: Of course. Which Martha thinks is very funny.
O'BRIEN: Really?
SCRIVO: She laughs at herself all the time, and she thinks that those parodies are hilarious. She's even had Anna Gesta (ph) on her show during one Christmas special. But I think that there are many layers to that question, but one being that I think there's a great double standard in this country with women business owners.
O'BRIEN: Do you think that's it, that explains it?
SCRIVO: I think it's a part of it. And being a female business owner myself, I see this double standard, like, you know, there is show right now, "The Apprentice," on television that is just about a CEO being difficult and firing people. I mean, I can't imagine seeing Martha in that position. You know, I don't think society would allow it.
O'BRIEN: It's charming when it's Donald Trump.
SCRIVO: Absolutely.
O'BRIEN: It's not charming when it's Martha Stewart.
SCRIVO: Absolutely. And all of the focus of this trial was put on her appearance, which I don't think it would have been with a man like -- I don't think, you know, we're looking at Dennis Kozlowski's briefcase or his shoes when his trial begins.
O'BRIEN: Doing before and after the makeover pictures.
SCRIVO: Yes, absolutely.
O'BRIEN: Interesting point. Eva Scrivo, it was nice to see you.
SCRIVO: Thank you for having me.
O'BRIEN: Thanks for coming in to talk to us about this. It's really fascinating.
SCRIVO: It's a pleasure. It's from my heart.
O'BRIEN: Thank you -- Bill.
HEMMER: In a moment here, Soledad, the search for who is to blame for the deadly bombings in Spain. Back to Madrid live in a moment here. It's midday there in Spain. We'll get you there live right after this on AMERICAN MORNING.
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