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Nevada Rancher's Arrest Sparks Fourth Amemndment Rights Debate; France To Host 60th Anniversary of D-Day

Aired March 21, 2004 - 18:00   ET

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CAROL LIN, CNN ANCHOR: CNN Sunday is just ahead, but first these healdine. Charges of fraud and corruption in Taiwan's presidential elections. Thousands of protesters are demanding a recount. A high court has ordered that ballot boxes be sealed until opposition groups can produce evicence to justify a recount.
A rocket attack in Iraq, apparently targeting Baghdad's green zone, killed 2 Iraqi civilians today. Six other people were wounded, including a U.S. soldier. The heavily fortified green zone is headquarters for the U.S. lead coalition.

Arizona Senator John McCain says he's not interested in being John Kerry's running mate. He recently stood up for Kerry's record on defense prompting speculation he could be considering switching parties. But McCain, a staunch Republican says no, that's not going to happen.

I'm Carol Lin and welcome to CNN LIVE SUNDAY. Also this hour, did President Bush ignore his own counter-terrorism adviser before and after September 11? Has the war on terror reduced your right to privacy? The Supreme Court will hear arguments and we are going to talk to a legal expert

Plus the gay marriage debate. Are there legal and legislative precedents that show where we're headed on this issue.

Well, right now we begin at the White House. A former top security expert has harsh words for the Bush administration. Richard Clarke says it failed to recognize the al-Qaeda threat. And he is making these allegations in a new book and on primetime television tonight. CNN White House correspondent Suzanne Malveaux reports.

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SUZANNE MALVEAUX, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): A scathing new book accuses President Bush of ignoring terrorist they're thes before September 11, unjustly linking that attack to Iraq and failing miserably in the war on terror today. The author is not an opponent, but Richard Clarke, former chief counterterrorism adviser to presidents Bush and Clinton. Who makes his case not only on paper but on "60 Minutes."

In the interview, Clarke says, "I think the way he's responded to al-Qaeda, both before 9/11, by doing nothing and what he's done after 9/11 has made us less safe. I find it outrageous that the president is running for reelection on the grounds that he's done such great things about terrorism. He ignored it. Maybe we could have done something to stop 9/11."

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The president has made the right decision in every case.

MALVEAUX: The White House so taken aback put out its communications director on a Sunday to discredit Clarke's story. Clarke says the day after September 11, the president took him aside and privately began pressuring him to link Iraq to the attack. The conversation going...

Bush: Go back over everything. Everything, see if Saddam did this. See if he's linked in any way.

Clarke: But Mr. President, al-Qaeda did this.

Bush: I know, but see if Saddam was involved. Just look. I want to know any shred.

Clarke: Absolutely, we will look again, but you know we've looked several times for state sponsorship of al-Qaeda and not found any real linkages to Iraq.

Bush: Look into Iraq. Saddam.

The White House vehemently denies this was pressure to go after Hussein.

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MALVEAUX: Now, White House communication director Dan Bartlett was saying that it was simply the president reaching out, asking questions, trying to get as much information as possible in those days following the September 11 attacks.

Now, as you know, Carol, this comes at a time when the Bush administration under incredible scrutiny over the war on terror as well as the war in Iraq. This week, the 9/11 commission is actually going to be taking public testimony of officials, not only secretaries Powell as well as Rumsfeld but their former counterparts in the Clinton administration before the 9/11 commission to find out what it was they knew before the attacks -- Carol.

LIN: That's right, Suzanne, I was going to ask you, how this report and what Mr. Clarke is going to be saying on primetime television tonight, how that might affect the questioning as well as the answering by the president before that commission this coming week?

MALVEAUX: It's very interesting too, because Clarke is actually going before the 9/11 commission this week and it's something that the Bush administration has anticipated. They know, of course, he's been before that commission before privately giving his story.

So essentially the Bush administration really in a preemptive move has tried to discredit his story here, but also they say they believe that part of this is politically motivated. They say that Clarke has a very close relationship with Senator Kerry's foreign policy advisor, and he was actually a member of Bush's counter- terrorism team before he quit over policy differences. So this gets very complicated.

LIN: Not to mention that he is selling a book. Thank you very much.

MALVEAUX: Oh, absolutely.

LIN: Suzanne Malveaux live at the White House.

Turning now to presidential campaigning. Howard Dean used to be a serious threat to Democratic presidential hopeful John Kerry's campaign. And now he's vowing to help Kerry in his quest to unseat President Bush. Is that a good thing for Kerry? Well, CNN senior political analyst, Bill Schneider takes a look.

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WILLIAM SCHNEIDER, CNN SR. POLITICAL ANALYST (voice-over): Does Howard Dean help or hurt John Kerry? That depends on whether Dean sees himself primarily as Kerry's ambassador to the left or as the left's ambassador to Kerry. Dean has promised to rally his supporters for Kerry. Probably less because of his high regard for Kerry than because of his hostility to Bush.

HOWARD DEAN (D), FMR. PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: And I intend everything I can to send George W. Bush back to Crawford, Texas, and move John Kerry into the White House.

SCHNEIDER: What Dean brings to the table is not large numbers of voters. He didn't win a single primary outside his home state of Vermont. He brings a wired network with an impressive fund-raising record.

DEAN: Like the Dean for America campaign, Democracy for America will maintain interactive Web sites where supporters can plug in, join the discussion, get involved.

SCHNEIDER: Dean also brings a message of empowerment, which Kerry has already appropriated.

DEAN: But the power to change this country is in your hands, not mine.

SEN. JOHN KERRY (D-MA), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: We need to change what is happening in this country. And the power to change it is in your hands.

SCHNEIDER: Dean also helps Kerry deal with the Ralph Nader problem.

DEAN: Because this election is really critical that we not stray the third party and Independent candidates.

SCHNEIDER: But Dean also seems himself as the left's ambassador to Kerry.

DEAN: Keeping folks in Washington on the straight and narrow in response to the ordinary Americans is a full-time job.

SCHNEIDER: He will pressure Kerry to keep the faith.

DEAN: We've got to stand up for our principles and not paper over differences.

SCHNEIDER: That can create problems, like when Dean said last week in a conference call to reporters, "The president is the one who dragged our troops to Iraq, which has apparently been a factor in the death of 200 Spaniards over the weekend." That's not our position, Kerry responded.

SCHNEIDER: Statements like that from Howard Dean's mouth can drive up the enthusiasm of Dean's anti-Bush supporters. But they cannot come out of John Kerry's mouth. Bill Schneider, CNN, Washington.

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LIN: Kerry and President Bush were thousands of miles apart today, but they had something to say at the same event. Both called in to the annual St. Patrick's day breakfast in Boston. The president dialed in from the White House and John Kerry checked in from his skiing vacation in Idaho.

The breakfast has been a tradition for more than 50 years. It featured Irish music there and many of the state's top political figures attended. President Bush and Senator Kerry kept the mood light. They traded barbs without mentioning each other by name.

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SEN. JOHN KERRY, (D-MA) PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I'm feeling very confident about my ability to win. I've been told by a lot of foreign leprechauns, they want me to win.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Can you name them?

KERRY: Not on your life.

BUSH: Here's the way I like to put it about Massachusetts, I know there's a lot of talk about a Massachusetts politician who has his eye on the presidency. But tell him it's not open till 2008.

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LIN: The mitt, President Bush was referring to, is, of course, Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney. The breakfast is a prelude to the South Boston St. Patrick's Day Parade.

Well, since when was it illegal? In the United States to refuse to show identification if a police officer asks? Has national security trumped the individual's rights? That's the question before the Supreme Court tomorrow. A discussion when we come back.

World War II vets get ready for the June anniversary of D-Day. Why are they upset.

And how can we resist an implosion? We can't. We don't. And we won't.

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LIN: Top stories this hour: tribal elders in Pakistan say they'll negotiate the surrender of al-Qaeda militants involved in a standoff with troops.

John McCain says he won't be John Kerry's running mate.

And "Dawn of the Dead" knocks "The Passion of the Christ" out of the No. 1 spot.

What do the fourth and fifth amendments mean in the age of terrorism? Well, the Supreme Court will struggle with that question in six search and seizure cases this term. Tomorrow, the high court will hear arguments on when you actually have to give your name to police. CNN's Elaine Quijano reports.

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ELAINE QUIJANO, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Cowboy Larry Dudley Hibel was standing outside his pickup truck parked along a Nevada road, his 17-year-old daughter inside when a Sheriff's deputy investigating a call about a domestic disturbance started asking questions. As shown in captioning provided by Hibel supporters, 11 times the deputy told him to produce I.D. each time the rancher refused.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I'm being cooperative.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Let me see some I.D..

QUIJANO: The encounter ended with Hibel hancuffed, taken to jail and fined $250 for causing a delay to a peace officer. Prosecutors eventually dropped domestic violence charges against him.

DAVID ALLISON, DISTRICT ATTORNEY, HUMBOLDT COUNTY NEVADA: This is a small intrusion poon individual's rights balanced against the need of the state to know who is doing what.

HARRIET CUMMINGS, HIBEL'S ATTORNEY: We believe that it runs contrary to core American values to make it a crime for someone not to identify themselves.

QUIJANO (on camera): Hibel's case is one of six search and seizure cases before the Supreme Court this term. Already, the high court has sided with police on two of those cases. Now, with civil liberties taking the spotlight in this post 9/11 world, experts say what happens with Hibel's case could have far reaching implications. EDWARD LAZARUS, FRM. SUPREME COURT JUSTICE CLERK: We have idealistic notion in this country we can live in a kind of splendid anonymity. We can walk around and be left alone. And this question really raises in the post-9/11 era the issue of whether that's really true anymore.

LARRY DUDLEY HIBEL, NEVADA RANCHER: This case isn't just about me this is about all Americans. What happened on the road I think is alien to all Americans. I think we've enjoyed our freedoms and I don't think most Americans want them trampled on.

QUIJANO (voice-over): A delicate balance the high court must strike between an individual's rights and public safety. Elaine Quijano, CNN, Washington.

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LIN: At issue tomorrow is whether you have to comply anytime a law enforcement officer tells you to identify yourself. How would a ruling against that defiant Nevada rancher affect the right to remain silent? Let's ask George Washington University constitutional law professor Mary Cheh in Washington.

Professor Cheh, thank you very much for addressing this issue for us. A lot of people would look at that tape and say look, why didn't the guy just produce his I.D.? It wouldn't have gone this far. What is the big deal?

MARY CHEH, GEORGE WASHINGTON UNIV: Well, it's the contrarians who often bring these cases all the way to the Supreme Court because part of the problem is that most of us have become regimented and compliant within interventions by police, but this fellow saidoff to show you my identification so I'm not going to.

And it raises this question if the police have some suspicion to stop you, whether you have to comply with their request to show identification. Until this case, the courts have said that the police can stop you to investigate suspicious behavior, but if you stand mute, if you say nothing, that shouldn't boot strap into an arrestable offense.

LIN: So you're saying just because you were pulled over, there was some kind of verbal fight with the officer, you didn't agree doesn't mean that the officer has a right to take you in.

CHEH: That's right. When you say stopped and pulled over, we're not talking about somebody stopped in a car and required to show identification so that they have a license to drive, we're talking about somebody -- he was on the side of the road. So, his case is equivalent to somebody who's sitting on a bench or walking on the sidewalk or going about daily activities.

And it's easy for the police to manufacture reasonable suspicion. So that this could potentially create a good deal of mischief with police stopping persons and if you have to show your I.D., then it's a very small step to say that you have to carry your I.D.. LIN: Because, instead of a farm road, let's say this guy was hanging out in his truck outside a federal building and a police officer stops him and says, you know what, I do have reasonable cause because this guy could be a terrorist. Does that make a case then for arresting him if he doesn't cooperate?

CHEH: Well, if the jurisdiction has a statute such as this state does, yes it would. And the state courts when upholding this, did invoke 9/11. We need to know who people are, whether they're wanted, whether they're suspicious for other reasons and therefore, this is a small price to pay, which is what you saw on the piece that preceded this.

But the fact of the matter is, it's the slow steady erosion and the potential for police, again, to intervene. You know at their behest.

LIN: So professor Cheh, this is heard before the U.S. Supreme Court. what are you hoping very specifically will come out of the ruling here? Are rights literally going to be redefined by this case?

CHEH: I think they're being redined as we go. Because the Fourth amendment is interesting in that we have reasonable expectations of privacy. But what's reasonable is almost what the government allows to be reasonable. The more the government intrudes, the less reasonable it becomes for us to resist. We need the court to hold the line in cases, even ones that look small or not like such a big deal, because the line is so easily erased.

LIN: All right, thank you very much. Mary Cheh. It will be interesting to see how this turns out at the U.S. Supreme Court.

Well, single women with children find a way to make their lives easier. It was in front of them the whole time, but it took one woman to actually make it work.

Same-sex marriages have been compared to polygamy and to interracial marriages. Is either comparison fair or even historical? And what does it matter legally?

And a wax Adolph Hitler keeps company with Roosevelt, Churchill and Stalin in a Berlin exhibition. Hear what Germans have to say about this.

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LIN: He died 59 years ago, but a gallery in Berlin is putting the former leader of Nazi Germany on display, well, figuratively. Adolph Hitler is in a wax figure now. There you see him.

He's responsible for the deaths of millions. And he's now, or at least this image is standing next to the likenesses of the Princess of Wales, Winston Churchill, Franklin Roosevelt. Obviously this has been pretty controvertial in Germany. In fact, some Germans say this is really just propaganda. Anytime you see images of Hitler. Others say he is part of German history for better or worse. Now in Britain, World War II veterans are preparing to mark the 60th Anniversary of D-Day in the very place where it all happened. But some are worried about how the government is handling the planning. CNN's Jim Boulden explains.

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JIM BOULDEN, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Tony Colgin was 20 when he crossed the English Channel heading for Gold Beach on the morning of June 6, 1944.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: After we got cased (ph), I thought there's no way you can survive this day.

BOULDEN: Tony's busy helping to get some 50 veterans and family members to France for the 60th anniversary of D-Day.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He's agreed to actually have his photograph done.

BOULDEN: One of his headaches, getting all the paperwork to French authorities in time. Increased security means veterans need a special photo I.D. British veterans say it's a burden, but they're happy the increased security means their Queen can attend. But some are unhappy she will be joined by German chancellor Gerhard Schroeder.

TONY COLGAN, D-DAY VETERAN: I'd like the Germans there, but what we resent is the fact that he was invited and we weren't asked if we would like him to come.

BOULDEN (on camera): Some of the veterans who can no longer make the trip to Normandy will come to here to Portsmith. It's from this southern English port that many of the troops left on the morning of D-Day.

(voice-over): Portsmith will honor its local heroes.

ANDREW WHITMARSH, MILITARY HISTORIAN: I think we're all very aware that this could be the last one where significant numbers of veterans coming. It's possibly the final chance to acknowledge what they've done and to see large groups of them together.

COLGAN: I have pictured up in England and I lost it in Berlin.

BOULDEN: Tony Colgan will go back one more time, but many of his friends who wanted to have died.

COLGAN: It's sad to see them all go, and they are going. Two funerals a couple of weeks ago, two this week.

BOULDEN: D-day was the turning point of World War II changing these man forever. Now they want to gather perhaps one last time to reflect and to remember. Jim Boulden, CNN, Portsmith.

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LIN: The headlines just ahead. And this...

The story behind this be implosion too.

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LIN: There was heavy security in Kosovo today. Funerals were held quietly and without incident for two ethnic Albanian boys, their deaths still under investigate, sparked the worst ethnic violence there in five years. CNN's Matthew Chance has the latest.

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MATTHEW CHANCE, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Another funeral, another big test of Kosovo's fragile peace. Thousands came to pay their respects, the two dead boys, just 11 and 13, now martyrs to a cause they could hardly have understood. The prime minister of Kosovo himself was among the mourners.

These martyrs will not be forgotten, he told the crowd. They will forever be remembered with respect.

The violence will be remembered too. Afterward, still unconfirmed that the boys had drowned while being chased by Serbs, ethnic Albanian mobs torched Serbian property. The U.N. which runs Kosovo was also targeted in the worst ethnic turmoil seen here for years.

At the funeral, NATO led peacekeepers were reinforced and deployed in strength near Serbian enclaves. With passions running high, calm must still be enforced.

(on camera): This is exactly the kind of emotional scene that many fear could spark more violence across Kosovo. Of course, there have been calls for restraint both from the United Nations and from local political leaders, but it seems the bitter ethic feuding, that has so ravaged Kosovo in the past, may be with us again.

(voice-over): In Belgrad, the Serbian capital, it was a day of mourning too, the U.N. says 16 Serbian Orthodox Churches were burned to the ground in Kosovo in three davis violence. At least 210 Serbian homes were also destroyed. Organized ethnic cleansing, say the Serbs, nothing less.

But even if it was a spontaneous efforts to forge ethnic harmony here have been dealt a terrible setback. Matthew Chance, CNN, Kosovo.

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LIN: More ahead, but first a check of the top stories this hour.

The ongoing standoff continues along the Afghan border between Pakistani troops and suspected al-qaeda fighters. Speaking earlier today with CNN's Wolf Blitzer, Pakistan's ambassador to the U.S. said a high valued target is still believed to be hiding out in the area.

Now earlier officials suggested that might be Ayman al-Zawahiri, al-Qaeda's No. 2 man.

A round of violence today leaves at least seven Palestinians dead in occupied Gaza. Palestinian sources say Israeli forces, backed by 20 tanks, raided the area near a refugee camp.

Israel says they were targeting terrorism. Two Hamas militants are among the dead.

In Baghdad, rockets targeting the heavily protected Green Zone killed two Iraqis today. At least six other people were wounded in the attack on the area housing the coalition's headquarters. One U.S. soldier is among the wounded.

The number of Iraqi civilians killed is growing. And each death brings more anger. But it's not directed toward the attackers.

CNN's Jim Clancy reports, many Iraqis blame the Americans.

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JIM CLANCY, CNN CORRESPONDENT, BAGHDAD: He certainly wasn't the biggest casualty in the year-long conflict in Iraq. Just one of the most recent.

"A family of 12 people. The blame falls on the Americans," sobbed this relative. Nearby, another family member underwent treatment for wounds suffered in the missile strike aimed at the Green Zone.

At least one of the rockets hit outside the nearby international fair, in a crowded street packed with cars.

"The rocket struck over there by a police car," said this man. "They came and took it away, not letting us get near it. This is all that's left."

As insurgent attacks continue, many Iraqis refused to accept other Iraqis or Arabs are responsible. Instead, despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary in most cases, they blame the U.S.

BRIG. GEN. MARK KIMMITT, DEPUTY DIRECTOR FOR COALITION OPERATIONS, IRAQ: The important issue that these are terror weapons. The intent is to intimidate, to cause fear far more than to cause destruction. It is going for an effect on the will, rather than a physical effect.

CLANCY: Outside the ruins of a Karbala station Saturday, evidence a car bomb had both physical and psychological effect.

"It was an American plane," a policeman insisted. "It fired a missile that came straight here and destroyed our station."

The theory that the U.S. would target the very security forces it is paying hundreds of millions of dollars to build may not be logical. But senseless deaths are all too real in Iraq today. And under occupation, like it or not, the U.S. is involved. Coalition officials told CNN Sunday they deeply regret the death of each and every Iraqi civilian. Security remains their utmost priority. But one year after the conflict began, logical or not, it is obvious, every Iraqi casualty is counting against the Americans.

Jim Clancy, CNN, Baghdad.

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LIN: And we've got some other news from around the world.

In Taiwan, thousands of protesters are demanding a recount after the president narrowly won re-election. He won by just 33,000 a day after an attempt on his life.

The country's high court has sealed all ballot boxes, and the opposition candidate is refusing to concede defeat. He's demanding an independent investigation and a recount.

In Malaysia's national elections, a surprise victory. The government wins two key, Muslim-dominated states back from the country's fundamentalist Islamic opposition. This amid fears that religious fundamentalism was on the rise in the mostly Muslim country.

And in Germany, Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder quit as leader of his political party, the Social Democrats. But he remains chancellor, and says he'll seek a third term.

Schroeder says he will press ahead with unpopular cuts in jobless benefits and new rules making it easier for companies to fire employees.

A new solution to an old problem. Single mothers are getting some desperately needed help, from (ph) good housing, and from, also, an Internet service that's growing.

Also ahead, you don't have to be a sports fan to enjoy March Madness.

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LIN: Top stories this hour, tribal leaders in Pakistan say they'll negotiate the surrender of al Qaeda militants involved in a standoff with troops.

John McCain says he won't be John Kerry's running mate.

And "Dawn of the Dead" knocked "The Passion of the Christ" out of the number one spot.

Are you looking to find some rare gizmo? Success may be found on the Internet with just a few mouse clicks. That same power of the Internet is helping some single mothers connect with roommates who share their needs.

Our Adaora Udoji explains. (BEGIN VIDEO)

ADAORA UDOJI, CNN CORRESPONDENT, NEW YORK: Lilly Feldman (ph) and Cynthia Muldrow have discovered friendship can blossom from many seeds.

LILLY FELDMAN (ph), SINGLE MOM: I just know you. I know you're going to smell it, and you're going to want it.

UDOJI: Both single parents, their lives and that of their daughters, Sophia (ph) and Zora (ph), have been connected out of mutual need. Muldrow, a lawyer, needed financial help to keep up her three-story, New York City brownstone. Feldman, a therapist, was looking for more space.

They became housemates, sharing the headaches and joys of single parenthood.

CYNTHIA MULDROW, SINGLE MOM: Sometimes you just get tired. And having a friend nearby and having support has, you know, made it easier.

UDOJI: They probably would have never met, if not for CO- ABODE.com, a modern-day, online roommate matching service, designed for mothers like them.

In fact, it was created by single mom Carmel Sullivan, who stumbled across the idea after she put out an ad for a like-minded housemate in Los Angeles.

She was stunned when 18 mothers responded. She picked one, but that left 17 others.

CARMEL SULLIVAN, FOUNDER, CO-ABODE.COM: I had this list. And I thought, you know, I've already interviewed them. One of them had a seven-year-old and another had an eight-year-old, and I thought, they live in the same neighborhood. Why not just introduce them?

UDOJI: Since then, Sullivan has gone far beyond her neighborhood, opening up the idea to the country's 10 million single mothers.

Women like Yvette Cabrera and Michelle Herrera, who share a home, bills and babysitting in Brooklyn.

MICHELLE HERRERA, SINGLE MOM, BROOKLYN: Yvette -- she was a godsend. I mean, I just couldn't figure out how I was going to do it alone.

UDOJI: Now they're looking for a third housemate, and were thrilled to come across CO-ABODE.com.

YVETTE CABRERA, SINGLE MOM, BROOKLYN: I called up Michelle and said, you believe there's a Web site that can match somebody with us? Isn't it great.

So I put in a -- I signed up. And so, we're looking.

What are the colors on the Irish flag?

UDOJI: They, like Muldrow and Feldman, acknowledge it's not always easy. But the women say being housemates is well worth the effort, as they navigate the world as single parents.

Adaora Udoji, CNN, New York.

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LIN: As Americans debate whether same-sex marriage should be legal, some entrepreneurs in New York are out to make it fashionable.

The third annual Same-Sex Wedding Expo -- yes, you heard it right -- is taking place this weekend at the Jacob Javits Center.

Exhibitors boast the hottest trends in wedding and commitment ceremonies. There are cake makers, florists, honeymoon travel agents, clergy, wedding planners, photographers, gowns and tuxedos, musicians and even fertility clinics -- everything same-sex couples need to plan that special day. Everything but perhaps a marriage license.

Well, the same-sex marriage issue may eventually reach the Supreme Court. Do you past court rulings on interracial marriage or even polygamy give us any clues as to what the outcome might be?

Let's turn to an authority on American religion and political life, including the history of polygamy, University of Pennsylvania professor Sarah Gordon is with us from Philadelphia.

Professor Gordon, you have actually taken a look at this matter. And I'm wondering, as you take a look at the current events, I never thought to compare same-sex marriage with the Mormons' battle for polygamy.

SARAH B. GORDON, LAW AND HISTORY PROFESSOR, UNIVERSITY OF PENNSYLVANIA LAW SCHOOL: That's a great question. Actually, in the 19th century, the entire country debated whether or not Mormons in territorial Utah should be allowed to practice polygamy, or whether they should be prohibited, and the federal government should enforce monogamy upon them,

LIN: So, what happened prior to the Supreme Court's decision on polygamy? I mean, what happened to the status of those marriages?

GORDON: Mormons announced in 1852 that they believed in and practiced polygamy, that is, the marriage of one man to more than one woman. And for a period, at any rate, those marriages were not prohibited by federal law.

After they were prohibited, it took still another 15 years or so for a case to reach the courts and work its way up to the federal Supreme Court.

It wasn't until 1879 that the Supreme Court actually held that the federal government could indeed prohibit Mormon leaders from marrying multiple women.

And they held that you could believe whatever you wanted about marriage. But the moment you had taken yourself into the realm of action, as soon as a marriage was celebrated, a Mormon had subjected himself to the criminal laws of the country, and could be punished.

LIN: And in terms of interracial marriages?

GORDON: Up until 1967 in the United States, some 20 different states banned interracial marriage.

Again, this was a question for the Supreme Court. And in 1967, in a case called Loving v. Virginia, the court struck down the ban on interracial marriages, as a violation of racial equality mandated by the Constitution.

LIN: Very different situations. What does this portend for gay rights and gay marriages?

GORDON: Well, they are, indeed, very different situations. What they share is a strong interest, both at the state level and at the national level, in marriage. It just is the case that we -- our entire system -- is built around marriage.

The difference, though, is that in polygamy, in 19th century Utah, really was a religious commitment. Among Mormons, polygamy was believed to be the most sacred and righteous form of marriage that could be lived on earth. And it really was that religious commitment that sustained polygamy, and that prompted people to engage in it in the first place.

LIN: All right. So that was -- it was a religious belief. But in the terms of gay marriage, I mean, gay couples want the legal right to get married. So, what is likely to happen then, legally ...

GORDON: Exactly.

LIN: ... for these couples?

GORDON: Exactly. That's much closer to the interracial situation that we talked about just a moment ago, with the ban on interracial marriage.

What same-sex couples are arguing for is not terribly complex as a legal matter at the state level, although it's very complex politically, socially ...

LIN: So do you think it's going to be -- ultimately it'll be a state-by-state decision then?

GORDON: This is probably the simplest solution, unless we want to conduct the debate at the national level, which shows every potential for being extremely divisive.

We have lived with various state laws before, and managed as a country with different definitions of marriage in different states. And it does, at least seem to me, that states are the proper laboratories. That's the way our country was set up, so that states ...

LIN: All right.

GORDON: ... could be different, one from the other.

LIN: All right. Well, state by state, certainly the issue is being tackled one state at a time so far.

Thank you very much, Sarah Gordon.

GORDON: Thank you.

LIN: Well, 2.5 years to build and less than two minutes to knock down. Take a look at this.

It's so funny. All the guys in the newsroom are terribly impressed by this. It's a guy thing.

Three thousand pounds of explosives reduced Philadelphia's Veterans Stadium to a pile of concrete slabs and pillars. Workers will be cleaning up the mess until July. Then the former home of the Phillies and the Eagles will become the nesting ground for automobiles. It's going to be a parking lot. Another guy thing.

Well, they call the round of 16 "sweet." But with all the upsets in the second round of the NCAA tournament, it could be pretty bitter for anyone in an office pool.

Our Steve Overmyer is here keeping track of all the March Madness itself. No implosions so far, but a lot of excitement on the court.

STEVE OVERMYER, SPORTS ANCHOR, CNN HEADLINE NEWS: Well, yes. There have been certain teams that have certainly imploded upon themselves. I mean, they have really choked.

Some of these teams that are expected to get to the Final Four are not going to be making it, at least to the round of 16.

Some say the NCAA tournament's first round was boring. In 32 games, there were only three upsets -- yawners, right?

Well, today we've seen three upsets through only five games. Yes, that means your bracket has probably been busted right about now.

We're going to start things off in the Phoenix bracket. Sixth- seeded Vanderbilt, who trailed third-seeded NC State by 10, with 2:44. Matt Freije buries a baseline jumper and they have the lead. He had 31 points in the game. And for the second time in a week, NC State blew a big lead.

All right, a chance to just regain your composure. NC State, down by two. Three-pointer for the win. But Engin Atsur's shot is off the mark, and the Commodores come all the way back for the win -- Vandy pulling off a shocker. Atlanta bracket second seed, Mississippi State taking on seventh- seeded Xavier. Get you those highlights. Final second of the first half, off of Miss. Xavier gets the ball.

This was how good it was. Paper (ph) thin (ph). The buzzer- beater at the end of the first half.

It was that lucky shot that I think set the tone for the second half, because it was all Xavier. Lionel Chalmers, 31 points.

In fact, these guys are the only team to beat St. Joe's all year. They feel like they can beat anybody. And right now, you might think that they can -- 89 to 74 was the final there. Xavier pulls off an upset.

Some brackets -- same bracket, fifth seed Illinois and Cincinnati. Five Illinois, four Cincinnati. And this is the one-man fast break. Dee Brown with a nice lay-up and Illinois is up, and the Big 10 champions just blue-collar working it, beating the Bearcats, dominating this game 92-68.

Next up for Illinois -- Duke.

St. Louis bracket. Six Boston College, three Georgia Tech. Are we going to have another upset? Well, Boston College was thinking maybe they could make a comeback. But Jarrett Jack with the steal. The Yellow Jackets have a three point lead.

Actually, he should have just ran the clock out, because it gives Boston College one more chance to tie the ballgame. Jermaine Watson, three-pointer for the tie is off the mark and, no. The Yellow Jackets hold on for a 57 to 54 victory.

East Rutherford. Second-seed Oklahoma State battling seventh- seed Memphis. And the Cowboys let their first round opponent hang in there with them, but not so much in this game.

Joey Graham beating the buzzer with a dunk at the end of the first half. Really a great defensive effort put in by the Cowboys, but the Big 12 champions just too strong from the inside, from the outside.

They shot 62 percent in this contest. You're not going to lose a whole lot of games shooting 62 percent. Winning this one by a final of 70 to 53.

All right. Now, a little golf for you. Final round of the Bay Hill Invitational where, by the way, Tiger Woods absolutely melted down his third straight round of over par.

This was Chad Campbell's day. Four strokes back and Stuart Appleby on here on nine, rolling in a long birdie, and then Appleby just totally went into meltdown mode. Limping out a three-footer, he had for bogeys in this one.

And at the end, Chad Campbell, all he needed to do was seven-putt on the 18th hole to win it. It was the biggest comeback in Bay Hill in 20 years. Chad Campbell wins this one by four strokes.

Let's pick up the pace a little bit again for the Carolina 400. This is why cameras shouldn't be this close to the track. Something gets up there and knocks out the lens.

Andy Hillenburg spins out. And watch Jeff Gordon. Absolutely no place to go. T-honing him. Gordon -- he'll be OK.

You know, this race not always about on the track. Nineteen laps to go, Jimmy Johnson went into the pits in second. He came out in first. He held on to win -- his first victory, by the way, at the Lady in Black. And that is not a bad hotrod move there, as well, at the end.

LIN: Yes.

OVERMYER: At the end of the race, you can do pretty much whatever you want. Jimmy Johnson ...

LIN: Oh, my gosh. Just stay alive.

OVERMYER: ... with a nice one (ph) there (ph).

But I think the focus this day has just really been on all the upsets we have seen this weekend in March Madness. It's really been incredible.

LIN: And everybody loves to see what Cinderella stories might pop up. And here you have an old Cinderella story like Gonzaga, and ...

OVERMYER: Yes.

LIN: ... a new Cinderella story, perhaps, in Nevada?

OVERMYER: Yes. In Nevada. Very good. Yesterday, Gonzaga -- who has been, really since 1999, when they burst onto the scene as a tenth seed, and they went all the way to the Elite Eight back in 1999 -- they've been the team that every small school has modeled themselves after.

They wanted to be Cinderella. But now the tournament darlings are actually the favorites. They were a second seed. They were considered Final Four possibilities here.

But then they were upset by a tenth seed in Nevada. So, it's funny how the torch has been passed.

And if anybody was going to upset Gonzaga, it had to be tenth seed. It had to be a small school to do it right, you know?

LIN: You bet. It makes a much better story.

OVERMYER: It makes for a good story. But you know what? We want to see the best teams in the Final Four.

LIN: You bet.

OVERMYER: You know.

LIN: And not necessarily the usual suspects.

OVERMYER: Exactly.

LIN: Yes, we like a surprise.

OVERMYER: Yes.

LIN: All right. Thanks so much, Steve.

OVERMYER: Hope your bracket is doing all right.

LIN: I'm keeping my fingers crossed.

Well, just in case the candidates get complacent while running for president, ...

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JAY LENO, HOST, NBC'S "TONIGHT SHOW": The Secret Service announced today they are doubling its protection for John Kerry. Well, you can understand why. I mean, with two positions on every issue, he's got twice as many people mad at him.

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LIN: That's pretty good. The political week in laughter, just ahead.

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LIN: This weekend, movie audiences apparently had a big appetite for zombies with insatiable hunger. The horror flick "Dawn of the Dead" ruled the box office, debuting with ticket sales of more than $27 million.

Mel Gibson's "The Passion of the Christ" slipped into second place after three weeks at number one. It earned about $19 million. "Secret Window" rounds out the top five.

Some entertainment ideas are planned, others happen by accident. Mega-millionaire Donald Trump explains how his now famous "You're fired" got started.

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DONALD TRUMP, BILLIONAIRE, "THE APPRENTICE": I've fired a lot of people. Generally, I like other people to fire, because it's always a lousy task. But I have fired many people.

But, you know, the words, "You're fired," didn't happen for the show. It was sort of a little bit of a -- I won't say it was a mistake, because it turned out to be really an asset. But when I came into the first board room meeting, the person that I was going to fire, I wasn't going to say, "You're fired." I was going to say, you know, "It didn't work out for you. Don't worry about it. You'll come back."

And all of a sudden I'm sitting there, and it's really, essentially like live television. You can't do much about it. It's just, as far as I'm concerned, reality. I don't want double takes. I don't want any of this.

And I came out and said, "You are fired." And everyone went crazy. I mean, the whole place went crazy. All of the folks at NBC, they were in the back, because this was the first session. And, you know, they spent a lot of money on the show, over $2 million an episode. And they had a lot of NBC executives in the control room watching.

And they heard the words, "You're fired." And everybody started jumping up and applauding. They thought it was great.

So, it was a little bit by accident that the term, "You're fired," came about. But when you think about it, it's a very precise, very beautiful two words.

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LIN: Yes. Pretty scary, too. Donald Trump is a frequent target of late-night comedians. But it's politics, and it's providing many laughs right now. Here's a sample.

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CONAN O'BRIEN, HOST, NBC'S "LATE NIGHT": It was reported today that John Kerry is hoping to raise $80 million before the Democratic convention. It's a lot of money.

Yes, Kerry has two ways to raise the $80 million -- soliciting Democratic donors and going through his wife's purse.

DAVID LETTERMAN, HOST, CBS'S "LATE SHOW": John Kerry says that foreign leaders -- John Kerry, now -- says that foreign leaders want him to be president, but that he can't name the foreign leaders.

He says that they want him to be president, but he can't -- and I thought, well that's all right. President Bush can't name them, either.

BILL MAHER, HOST, HBO'S "REAL TIME": You hear that ovation, Governor? That's got to make you feel good.

HOWARD DEAN, FORMER DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: If I had a vote for everybody who came up and congratulated me in the airport, I'd be the nominee, not John Kerry.

JON STEWART, HOST, COMEDY CENTRAL'S "THE DAILY SHOW": Every now and again, the audience screams so loud that we can't help but hear you. So tonight, we bow down to the audience's wishes.

And we're going to deal with the topic you've been clamoring for. You asked for it. You got it. Our lead story tonight, America (ph)!

LENO: The Secret Service announced today they are doubling its protection for John Kerry. Well, you can understand why. I mean, with two positions on every issue, he's got twice as many people mad at him. You know, it's just -- it's going to happen.

LETTERMAN: George Bush, though, is -- his campaign is -- he's really doing much, much better, and he's shot right up in the polls since he captured Martha Stewart.

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LIN: That's it for us.

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CAROL LIN, CNN ANCHOR: CNN Sunday is just ahead, but first these healdine. Charges of fraud and corruption in Taiwan's presidential elections. Thousands of protesters are demanding a recount. A high court has ordered that ballot boxes be sealed until opposition groups can produce evicence to justify a recount.
A rocket attack in Iraq, apparently targeting Baghdad's green zone, killed 2 Iraqi civilians today. Six other people were wounded, including a U.S. soldier. The heavily fortified green zone is headquarters for the U.S. lead coalition.

Arizona Senator John McCain says he's not interested in being John Kerry's running mate. He recently stood up for Kerry's record on defense prompting speculation he could be considering switching parties. But McCain, a staunch Republican says no, that's not going to happen.

I'm Carol Lin and welcome to CNN LIVE SUNDAY. Also this hour, did President Bush ignore his own counter-terrorism adviser before and after September 11? Has the war on terror reduced your right to privacy? The Supreme Court will hear arguments and we are going to talk to a legal expert

Plus the gay marriage debate. Are there legal and legislative precedents that show where we're headed on this issue.

Well, right now we begin at the White House. A former top security expert has harsh words for the Bush administration. Richard Clarke says it failed to recognize the al-Qaeda threat. And he is making these allegations in a new book and on primetime television tonight. CNN White House correspondent Suzanne Malveaux reports.

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SUZANNE MALVEAUX, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): A scathing new book accuses President Bush of ignoring terrorist they're thes before September 11, unjustly linking that attack to Iraq and failing miserably in the war on terror today. The author is not an opponent, but Richard Clarke, former chief counterterrorism adviser to presidents Bush and Clinton. Who makes his case not only on paper but on "60 Minutes."

In the interview, Clarke says, "I think the way he's responded to al-Qaeda, both before 9/11, by doing nothing and what he's done after 9/11 has made us less safe. I find it outrageous that the president is running for reelection on the grounds that he's done such great things about terrorism. He ignored it. Maybe we could have done something to stop 9/11."

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The president has made the right decision in every case.

MALVEAUX: The White House so taken aback put out its communications director on a Sunday to discredit Clarke's story. Clarke says the day after September 11, the president took him aside and privately began pressuring him to link Iraq to the attack. The conversation going...

Bush: Go back over everything. Everything, see if Saddam did this. See if he's linked in any way.

Clarke: But Mr. President, al-Qaeda did this.

Bush: I know, but see if Saddam was involved. Just look. I want to know any shred.

Clarke: Absolutely, we will look again, but you know we've looked several times for state sponsorship of al-Qaeda and not found any real linkages to Iraq.

Bush: Look into Iraq. Saddam.

The White House vehemently denies this was pressure to go after Hussein.

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MALVEAUX: Now, White House communication director Dan Bartlett was saying that it was simply the president reaching out, asking questions, trying to get as much information as possible in those days following the September 11 attacks.

Now, as you know, Carol, this comes at a time when the Bush administration under incredible scrutiny over the war on terror as well as the war in Iraq. This week, the 9/11 commission is actually going to be taking public testimony of officials, not only secretaries Powell as well as Rumsfeld but their former counterparts in the Clinton administration before the 9/11 commission to find out what it was they knew before the attacks -- Carol.

LIN: That's right, Suzanne, I was going to ask you, how this report and what Mr. Clarke is going to be saying on primetime television tonight, how that might affect the questioning as well as the answering by the president before that commission this coming week?

MALVEAUX: It's very interesting too, because Clarke is actually going before the 9/11 commission this week and it's something that the Bush administration has anticipated. They know, of course, he's been before that commission before privately giving his story.

So essentially the Bush administration really in a preemptive move has tried to discredit his story here, but also they say they believe that part of this is politically motivated. They say that Clarke has a very close relationship with Senator Kerry's foreign policy advisor, and he was actually a member of Bush's counter- terrorism team before he quit over policy differences. So this gets very complicated.

LIN: Not to mention that he is selling a book. Thank you very much.

MALVEAUX: Oh, absolutely.

LIN: Suzanne Malveaux live at the White House.

Turning now to presidential campaigning. Howard Dean used to be a serious threat to Democratic presidential hopeful John Kerry's campaign. And now he's vowing to help Kerry in his quest to unseat President Bush. Is that a good thing for Kerry? Well, CNN senior political analyst, Bill Schneider takes a look.

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WILLIAM SCHNEIDER, CNN SR. POLITICAL ANALYST (voice-over): Does Howard Dean help or hurt John Kerry? That depends on whether Dean sees himself primarily as Kerry's ambassador to the left or as the left's ambassador to Kerry. Dean has promised to rally his supporters for Kerry. Probably less because of his high regard for Kerry than because of his hostility to Bush.

HOWARD DEAN (D), FMR. PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: And I intend everything I can to send George W. Bush back to Crawford, Texas, and move John Kerry into the White House.

SCHNEIDER: What Dean brings to the table is not large numbers of voters. He didn't win a single primary outside his home state of Vermont. He brings a wired network with an impressive fund-raising record.

DEAN: Like the Dean for America campaign, Democracy for America will maintain interactive Web sites where supporters can plug in, join the discussion, get involved.

SCHNEIDER: Dean also brings a message of empowerment, which Kerry has already appropriated.

DEAN: But the power to change this country is in your hands, not mine.

SEN. JOHN KERRY (D-MA), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: We need to change what is happening in this country. And the power to change it is in your hands.

SCHNEIDER: Dean also helps Kerry deal with the Ralph Nader problem.

DEAN: Because this election is really critical that we not stray the third party and Independent candidates.

SCHNEIDER: But Dean also seems himself as the left's ambassador to Kerry.

DEAN: Keeping folks in Washington on the straight and narrow in response to the ordinary Americans is a full-time job.

SCHNEIDER: He will pressure Kerry to keep the faith.

DEAN: We've got to stand up for our principles and not paper over differences.

SCHNEIDER: That can create problems, like when Dean said last week in a conference call to reporters, "The president is the one who dragged our troops to Iraq, which has apparently been a factor in the death of 200 Spaniards over the weekend." That's not our position, Kerry responded.

SCHNEIDER: Statements like that from Howard Dean's mouth can drive up the enthusiasm of Dean's anti-Bush supporters. But they cannot come out of John Kerry's mouth. Bill Schneider, CNN, Washington.

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LIN: Kerry and President Bush were thousands of miles apart today, but they had something to say at the same event. Both called in to the annual St. Patrick's day breakfast in Boston. The president dialed in from the White House and John Kerry checked in from his skiing vacation in Idaho.

The breakfast has been a tradition for more than 50 years. It featured Irish music there and many of the state's top political figures attended. President Bush and Senator Kerry kept the mood light. They traded barbs without mentioning each other by name.

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SEN. JOHN KERRY, (D-MA) PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I'm feeling very confident about my ability to win. I've been told by a lot of foreign leprechauns, they want me to win.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Can you name them?

KERRY: Not on your life.

BUSH: Here's the way I like to put it about Massachusetts, I know there's a lot of talk about a Massachusetts politician who has his eye on the presidency. But tell him it's not open till 2008.

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LIN: The mitt, President Bush was referring to, is, of course, Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney. The breakfast is a prelude to the South Boston St. Patrick's Day Parade.

Well, since when was it illegal? In the United States to refuse to show identification if a police officer asks? Has national security trumped the individual's rights? That's the question before the Supreme Court tomorrow. A discussion when we come back.

World War II vets get ready for the June anniversary of D-Day. Why are they upset.

And how can we resist an implosion? We can't. We don't. And we won't.

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LIN: Top stories this hour: tribal elders in Pakistan say they'll negotiate the surrender of al-Qaeda militants involved in a standoff with troops.

John McCain says he won't be John Kerry's running mate.

And "Dawn of the Dead" knocks "The Passion of the Christ" out of the No. 1 spot.

What do the fourth and fifth amendments mean in the age of terrorism? Well, the Supreme Court will struggle with that question in six search and seizure cases this term. Tomorrow, the high court will hear arguments on when you actually have to give your name to police. CNN's Elaine Quijano reports.

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ELAINE QUIJANO, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Cowboy Larry Dudley Hibel was standing outside his pickup truck parked along a Nevada road, his 17-year-old daughter inside when a Sheriff's deputy investigating a call about a domestic disturbance started asking questions. As shown in captioning provided by Hibel supporters, 11 times the deputy told him to produce I.D. each time the rancher refused.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I'm being cooperative.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Let me see some I.D..

QUIJANO: The encounter ended with Hibel hancuffed, taken to jail and fined $250 for causing a delay to a peace officer. Prosecutors eventually dropped domestic violence charges against him.

DAVID ALLISON, DISTRICT ATTORNEY, HUMBOLDT COUNTY NEVADA: This is a small intrusion poon individual's rights balanced against the need of the state to know who is doing what.

HARRIET CUMMINGS, HIBEL'S ATTORNEY: We believe that it runs contrary to core American values to make it a crime for someone not to identify themselves.

QUIJANO (on camera): Hibel's case is one of six search and seizure cases before the Supreme Court this term. Already, the high court has sided with police on two of those cases. Now, with civil liberties taking the spotlight in this post 9/11 world, experts say what happens with Hibel's case could have far reaching implications. EDWARD LAZARUS, FRM. SUPREME COURT JUSTICE CLERK: We have idealistic notion in this country we can live in a kind of splendid anonymity. We can walk around and be left alone. And this question really raises in the post-9/11 era the issue of whether that's really true anymore.

LARRY DUDLEY HIBEL, NEVADA RANCHER: This case isn't just about me this is about all Americans. What happened on the road I think is alien to all Americans. I think we've enjoyed our freedoms and I don't think most Americans want them trampled on.

QUIJANO (voice-over): A delicate balance the high court must strike between an individual's rights and public safety. Elaine Quijano, CNN, Washington.

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LIN: At issue tomorrow is whether you have to comply anytime a law enforcement officer tells you to identify yourself. How would a ruling against that defiant Nevada rancher affect the right to remain silent? Let's ask George Washington University constitutional law professor Mary Cheh in Washington.

Professor Cheh, thank you very much for addressing this issue for us. A lot of people would look at that tape and say look, why didn't the guy just produce his I.D.? It wouldn't have gone this far. What is the big deal?

MARY CHEH, GEORGE WASHINGTON UNIV: Well, it's the contrarians who often bring these cases all the way to the Supreme Court because part of the problem is that most of us have become regimented and compliant within interventions by police, but this fellow saidoff to show you my identification so I'm not going to.

And it raises this question if the police have some suspicion to stop you, whether you have to comply with their request to show identification. Until this case, the courts have said that the police can stop you to investigate suspicious behavior, but if you stand mute, if you say nothing, that shouldn't boot strap into an arrestable offense.

LIN: So you're saying just because you were pulled over, there was some kind of verbal fight with the officer, you didn't agree doesn't mean that the officer has a right to take you in.

CHEH: That's right. When you say stopped and pulled over, we're not talking about somebody stopped in a car and required to show identification so that they have a license to drive, we're talking about somebody -- he was on the side of the road. So, his case is equivalent to somebody who's sitting on a bench or walking on the sidewalk or going about daily activities.

And it's easy for the police to manufacture reasonable suspicion. So that this could potentially create a good deal of mischief with police stopping persons and if you have to show your I.D., then it's a very small step to say that you have to carry your I.D.. LIN: Because, instead of a farm road, let's say this guy was hanging out in his truck outside a federal building and a police officer stops him and says, you know what, I do have reasonable cause because this guy could be a terrorist. Does that make a case then for arresting him if he doesn't cooperate?

CHEH: Well, if the jurisdiction has a statute such as this state does, yes it would. And the state courts when upholding this, did invoke 9/11. We need to know who people are, whether they're wanted, whether they're suspicious for other reasons and therefore, this is a small price to pay, which is what you saw on the piece that preceded this.

But the fact of the matter is, it's the slow steady erosion and the potential for police, again, to intervene. You know at their behest.

LIN: So professor Cheh, this is heard before the U.S. Supreme Court. what are you hoping very specifically will come out of the ruling here? Are rights literally going to be redefined by this case?

CHEH: I think they're being redined as we go. Because the Fourth amendment is interesting in that we have reasonable expectations of privacy. But what's reasonable is almost what the government allows to be reasonable. The more the government intrudes, the less reasonable it becomes for us to resist. We need the court to hold the line in cases, even ones that look small or not like such a big deal, because the line is so easily erased.

LIN: All right, thank you very much. Mary Cheh. It will be interesting to see how this turns out at the U.S. Supreme Court.

Well, single women with children find a way to make their lives easier. It was in front of them the whole time, but it took one woman to actually make it work.

Same-sex marriages have been compared to polygamy and to interracial marriages. Is either comparison fair or even historical? And what does it matter legally?

And a wax Adolph Hitler keeps company with Roosevelt, Churchill and Stalin in a Berlin exhibition. Hear what Germans have to say about this.

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LIN: He died 59 years ago, but a gallery in Berlin is putting the former leader of Nazi Germany on display, well, figuratively. Adolph Hitler is in a wax figure now. There you see him.

He's responsible for the deaths of millions. And he's now, or at least this image is standing next to the likenesses of the Princess of Wales, Winston Churchill, Franklin Roosevelt. Obviously this has been pretty controvertial in Germany. In fact, some Germans say this is really just propaganda. Anytime you see images of Hitler. Others say he is part of German history for better or worse. Now in Britain, World War II veterans are preparing to mark the 60th Anniversary of D-Day in the very place where it all happened. But some are worried about how the government is handling the planning. CNN's Jim Boulden explains.

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JIM BOULDEN, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Tony Colgin was 20 when he crossed the English Channel heading for Gold Beach on the morning of June 6, 1944.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: After we got cased (ph), I thought there's no way you can survive this day.

BOULDEN: Tony's busy helping to get some 50 veterans and family members to France for the 60th anniversary of D-Day.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He's agreed to actually have his photograph done.

BOULDEN: One of his headaches, getting all the paperwork to French authorities in time. Increased security means veterans need a special photo I.D. British veterans say it's a burden, but they're happy the increased security means their Queen can attend. But some are unhappy she will be joined by German chancellor Gerhard Schroeder.

TONY COLGAN, D-DAY VETERAN: I'd like the Germans there, but what we resent is the fact that he was invited and we weren't asked if we would like him to come.

BOULDEN (on camera): Some of the veterans who can no longer make the trip to Normandy will come to here to Portsmith. It's from this southern English port that many of the troops left on the morning of D-Day.

(voice-over): Portsmith will honor its local heroes.

ANDREW WHITMARSH, MILITARY HISTORIAN: I think we're all very aware that this could be the last one where significant numbers of veterans coming. It's possibly the final chance to acknowledge what they've done and to see large groups of them together.

COLGAN: I have pictured up in England and I lost it in Berlin.

BOULDEN: Tony Colgan will go back one more time, but many of his friends who wanted to have died.

COLGAN: It's sad to see them all go, and they are going. Two funerals a couple of weeks ago, two this week.

BOULDEN: D-day was the turning point of World War II changing these man forever. Now they want to gather perhaps one last time to reflect and to remember. Jim Boulden, CNN, Portsmith.

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LIN: The headlines just ahead. And this...

The story behind this be implosion too.

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LIN: There was heavy security in Kosovo today. Funerals were held quietly and without incident for two ethnic Albanian boys, their deaths still under investigate, sparked the worst ethnic violence there in five years. CNN's Matthew Chance has the latest.

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MATTHEW CHANCE, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Another funeral, another big test of Kosovo's fragile peace. Thousands came to pay their respects, the two dead boys, just 11 and 13, now martyrs to a cause they could hardly have understood. The prime minister of Kosovo himself was among the mourners.

These martyrs will not be forgotten, he told the crowd. They will forever be remembered with respect.

The violence will be remembered too. Afterward, still unconfirmed that the boys had drowned while being chased by Serbs, ethnic Albanian mobs torched Serbian property. The U.N. which runs Kosovo was also targeted in the worst ethnic turmoil seen here for years.

At the funeral, NATO led peacekeepers were reinforced and deployed in strength near Serbian enclaves. With passions running high, calm must still be enforced.

(on camera): This is exactly the kind of emotional scene that many fear could spark more violence across Kosovo. Of course, there have been calls for restraint both from the United Nations and from local political leaders, but it seems the bitter ethic feuding, that has so ravaged Kosovo in the past, may be with us again.

(voice-over): In Belgrad, the Serbian capital, it was a day of mourning too, the U.N. says 16 Serbian Orthodox Churches were burned to the ground in Kosovo in three davis violence. At least 210 Serbian homes were also destroyed. Organized ethnic cleansing, say the Serbs, nothing less.

But even if it was a spontaneous efforts to forge ethnic harmony here have been dealt a terrible setback. Matthew Chance, CNN, Kosovo.

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LIN: More ahead, but first a check of the top stories this hour.

The ongoing standoff continues along the Afghan border between Pakistani troops and suspected al-qaeda fighters. Speaking earlier today with CNN's Wolf Blitzer, Pakistan's ambassador to the U.S. said a high valued target is still believed to be hiding out in the area.

Now earlier officials suggested that might be Ayman al-Zawahiri, al-Qaeda's No. 2 man.

A round of violence today leaves at least seven Palestinians dead in occupied Gaza. Palestinian sources say Israeli forces, backed by 20 tanks, raided the area near a refugee camp.

Israel says they were targeting terrorism. Two Hamas militants are among the dead.

In Baghdad, rockets targeting the heavily protected Green Zone killed two Iraqis today. At least six other people were wounded in the attack on the area housing the coalition's headquarters. One U.S. soldier is among the wounded.

The number of Iraqi civilians killed is growing. And each death brings more anger. But it's not directed toward the attackers.

CNN's Jim Clancy reports, many Iraqis blame the Americans.

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JIM CLANCY, CNN CORRESPONDENT, BAGHDAD: He certainly wasn't the biggest casualty in the year-long conflict in Iraq. Just one of the most recent.

"A family of 12 people. The blame falls on the Americans," sobbed this relative. Nearby, another family member underwent treatment for wounds suffered in the missile strike aimed at the Green Zone.

At least one of the rockets hit outside the nearby international fair, in a crowded street packed with cars.

"The rocket struck over there by a police car," said this man. "They came and took it away, not letting us get near it. This is all that's left."

As insurgent attacks continue, many Iraqis refused to accept other Iraqis or Arabs are responsible. Instead, despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary in most cases, they blame the U.S.

BRIG. GEN. MARK KIMMITT, DEPUTY DIRECTOR FOR COALITION OPERATIONS, IRAQ: The important issue that these are terror weapons. The intent is to intimidate, to cause fear far more than to cause destruction. It is going for an effect on the will, rather than a physical effect.

CLANCY: Outside the ruins of a Karbala station Saturday, evidence a car bomb had both physical and psychological effect.

"It was an American plane," a policeman insisted. "It fired a missile that came straight here and destroyed our station."

The theory that the U.S. would target the very security forces it is paying hundreds of millions of dollars to build may not be logical. But senseless deaths are all too real in Iraq today. And under occupation, like it or not, the U.S. is involved. Coalition officials told CNN Sunday they deeply regret the death of each and every Iraqi civilian. Security remains their utmost priority. But one year after the conflict began, logical or not, it is obvious, every Iraqi casualty is counting against the Americans.

Jim Clancy, CNN, Baghdad.

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LIN: And we've got some other news from around the world.

In Taiwan, thousands of protesters are demanding a recount after the president narrowly won re-election. He won by just 33,000 a day after an attempt on his life.

The country's high court has sealed all ballot boxes, and the opposition candidate is refusing to concede defeat. He's demanding an independent investigation and a recount.

In Malaysia's national elections, a surprise victory. The government wins two key, Muslim-dominated states back from the country's fundamentalist Islamic opposition. This amid fears that religious fundamentalism was on the rise in the mostly Muslim country.

And in Germany, Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder quit as leader of his political party, the Social Democrats. But he remains chancellor, and says he'll seek a third term.

Schroeder says he will press ahead with unpopular cuts in jobless benefits and new rules making it easier for companies to fire employees.

A new solution to an old problem. Single mothers are getting some desperately needed help, from (ph) good housing, and from, also, an Internet service that's growing.

Also ahead, you don't have to be a sports fan to enjoy March Madness.

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LIN: Top stories this hour, tribal leaders in Pakistan say they'll negotiate the surrender of al Qaeda militants involved in a standoff with troops.

John McCain says he won't be John Kerry's running mate.

And "Dawn of the Dead" knocked "The Passion of the Christ" out of the number one spot.

Are you looking to find some rare gizmo? Success may be found on the Internet with just a few mouse clicks. That same power of the Internet is helping some single mothers connect with roommates who share their needs.

Our Adaora Udoji explains. (BEGIN VIDEO)

ADAORA UDOJI, CNN CORRESPONDENT, NEW YORK: Lilly Feldman (ph) and Cynthia Muldrow have discovered friendship can blossom from many seeds.

LILLY FELDMAN (ph), SINGLE MOM: I just know you. I know you're going to smell it, and you're going to want it.

UDOJI: Both single parents, their lives and that of their daughters, Sophia (ph) and Zora (ph), have been connected out of mutual need. Muldrow, a lawyer, needed financial help to keep up her three-story, New York City brownstone. Feldman, a therapist, was looking for more space.

They became housemates, sharing the headaches and joys of single parenthood.

CYNTHIA MULDROW, SINGLE MOM: Sometimes you just get tired. And having a friend nearby and having support has, you know, made it easier.

UDOJI: They probably would have never met, if not for CO- ABODE.com, a modern-day, online roommate matching service, designed for mothers like them.

In fact, it was created by single mom Carmel Sullivan, who stumbled across the idea after she put out an ad for a like-minded housemate in Los Angeles.

She was stunned when 18 mothers responded. She picked one, but that left 17 others.

CARMEL SULLIVAN, FOUNDER, CO-ABODE.COM: I had this list. And I thought, you know, I've already interviewed them. One of them had a seven-year-old and another had an eight-year-old, and I thought, they live in the same neighborhood. Why not just introduce them?

UDOJI: Since then, Sullivan has gone far beyond her neighborhood, opening up the idea to the country's 10 million single mothers.

Women like Yvette Cabrera and Michelle Herrera, who share a home, bills and babysitting in Brooklyn.

MICHELLE HERRERA, SINGLE MOM, BROOKLYN: Yvette -- she was a godsend. I mean, I just couldn't figure out how I was going to do it alone.

UDOJI: Now they're looking for a third housemate, and were thrilled to come across CO-ABODE.com.

YVETTE CABRERA, SINGLE MOM, BROOKLYN: I called up Michelle and said, you believe there's a Web site that can match somebody with us? Isn't it great.

So I put in a -- I signed up. And so, we're looking.

What are the colors on the Irish flag?

UDOJI: They, like Muldrow and Feldman, acknowledge it's not always easy. But the women say being housemates is well worth the effort, as they navigate the world as single parents.

Adaora Udoji, CNN, New York.

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LIN: As Americans debate whether same-sex marriage should be legal, some entrepreneurs in New York are out to make it fashionable.

The third annual Same-Sex Wedding Expo -- yes, you heard it right -- is taking place this weekend at the Jacob Javits Center.

Exhibitors boast the hottest trends in wedding and commitment ceremonies. There are cake makers, florists, honeymoon travel agents, clergy, wedding planners, photographers, gowns and tuxedos, musicians and even fertility clinics -- everything same-sex couples need to plan that special day. Everything but perhaps a marriage license.

Well, the same-sex marriage issue may eventually reach the Supreme Court. Do you past court rulings on interracial marriage or even polygamy give us any clues as to what the outcome might be?

Let's turn to an authority on American religion and political life, including the history of polygamy, University of Pennsylvania professor Sarah Gordon is with us from Philadelphia.

Professor Gordon, you have actually taken a look at this matter. And I'm wondering, as you take a look at the current events, I never thought to compare same-sex marriage with the Mormons' battle for polygamy.

SARAH B. GORDON, LAW AND HISTORY PROFESSOR, UNIVERSITY OF PENNSYLVANIA LAW SCHOOL: That's a great question. Actually, in the 19th century, the entire country debated whether or not Mormons in territorial Utah should be allowed to practice polygamy, or whether they should be prohibited, and the federal government should enforce monogamy upon them,

LIN: So, what happened prior to the Supreme Court's decision on polygamy? I mean, what happened to the status of those marriages?

GORDON: Mormons announced in 1852 that they believed in and practiced polygamy, that is, the marriage of one man to more than one woman. And for a period, at any rate, those marriages were not prohibited by federal law.

After they were prohibited, it took still another 15 years or so for a case to reach the courts and work its way up to the federal Supreme Court.

It wasn't until 1879 that the Supreme Court actually held that the federal government could indeed prohibit Mormon leaders from marrying multiple women.

And they held that you could believe whatever you wanted about marriage. But the moment you had taken yourself into the realm of action, as soon as a marriage was celebrated, a Mormon had subjected himself to the criminal laws of the country, and could be punished.

LIN: And in terms of interracial marriages?

GORDON: Up until 1967 in the United States, some 20 different states banned interracial marriage.

Again, this was a question for the Supreme Court. And in 1967, in a case called Loving v. Virginia, the court struck down the ban on interracial marriages, as a violation of racial equality mandated by the Constitution.

LIN: Very different situations. What does this portend for gay rights and gay marriages?

GORDON: Well, they are, indeed, very different situations. What they share is a strong interest, both at the state level and at the national level, in marriage. It just is the case that we -- our entire system -- is built around marriage.

The difference, though, is that in polygamy, in 19th century Utah, really was a religious commitment. Among Mormons, polygamy was believed to be the most sacred and righteous form of marriage that could be lived on earth. And it really was that religious commitment that sustained polygamy, and that prompted people to engage in it in the first place.

LIN: All right. So that was -- it was a religious belief. But in the terms of gay marriage, I mean, gay couples want the legal right to get married. So, what is likely to happen then, legally ...

GORDON: Exactly.

LIN: ... for these couples?

GORDON: Exactly. That's much closer to the interracial situation that we talked about just a moment ago, with the ban on interracial marriage.

What same-sex couples are arguing for is not terribly complex as a legal matter at the state level, although it's very complex politically, socially ...

LIN: So do you think it's going to be -- ultimately it'll be a state-by-state decision then?

GORDON: This is probably the simplest solution, unless we want to conduct the debate at the national level, which shows every potential for being extremely divisive.

We have lived with various state laws before, and managed as a country with different definitions of marriage in different states. And it does, at least seem to me, that states are the proper laboratories. That's the way our country was set up, so that states ...

LIN: All right.

GORDON: ... could be different, one from the other.

LIN: All right. Well, state by state, certainly the issue is being tackled one state at a time so far.

Thank you very much, Sarah Gordon.

GORDON: Thank you.

LIN: Well, 2.5 years to build and less than two minutes to knock down. Take a look at this.

It's so funny. All the guys in the newsroom are terribly impressed by this. It's a guy thing.

Three thousand pounds of explosives reduced Philadelphia's Veterans Stadium to a pile of concrete slabs and pillars. Workers will be cleaning up the mess until July. Then the former home of the Phillies and the Eagles will become the nesting ground for automobiles. It's going to be a parking lot. Another guy thing.

Well, they call the round of 16 "sweet." But with all the upsets in the second round of the NCAA tournament, it could be pretty bitter for anyone in an office pool.

Our Steve Overmyer is here keeping track of all the March Madness itself. No implosions so far, but a lot of excitement on the court.

STEVE OVERMYER, SPORTS ANCHOR, CNN HEADLINE NEWS: Well, yes. There have been certain teams that have certainly imploded upon themselves. I mean, they have really choked.

Some of these teams that are expected to get to the Final Four are not going to be making it, at least to the round of 16.

Some say the NCAA tournament's first round was boring. In 32 games, there were only three upsets -- yawners, right?

Well, today we've seen three upsets through only five games. Yes, that means your bracket has probably been busted right about now.

We're going to start things off in the Phoenix bracket. Sixth- seeded Vanderbilt, who trailed third-seeded NC State by 10, with 2:44. Matt Freije buries a baseline jumper and they have the lead. He had 31 points in the game. And for the second time in a week, NC State blew a big lead.

All right, a chance to just regain your composure. NC State, down by two. Three-pointer for the win. But Engin Atsur's shot is off the mark, and the Commodores come all the way back for the win -- Vandy pulling off a shocker. Atlanta bracket second seed, Mississippi State taking on seventh- seeded Xavier. Get you those highlights. Final second of the first half, off of Miss. Xavier gets the ball.

This was how good it was. Paper (ph) thin (ph). The buzzer- beater at the end of the first half.

It was that lucky shot that I think set the tone for the second half, because it was all Xavier. Lionel Chalmers, 31 points.

In fact, these guys are the only team to beat St. Joe's all year. They feel like they can beat anybody. And right now, you might think that they can -- 89 to 74 was the final there. Xavier pulls off an upset.

Some brackets -- same bracket, fifth seed Illinois and Cincinnati. Five Illinois, four Cincinnati. And this is the one-man fast break. Dee Brown with a nice lay-up and Illinois is up, and the Big 10 champions just blue-collar working it, beating the Bearcats, dominating this game 92-68.

Next up for Illinois -- Duke.

St. Louis bracket. Six Boston College, three Georgia Tech. Are we going to have another upset? Well, Boston College was thinking maybe they could make a comeback. But Jarrett Jack with the steal. The Yellow Jackets have a three point lead.

Actually, he should have just ran the clock out, because it gives Boston College one more chance to tie the ballgame. Jermaine Watson, three-pointer for the tie is off the mark and, no. The Yellow Jackets hold on for a 57 to 54 victory.

East Rutherford. Second-seed Oklahoma State battling seventh- seed Memphis. And the Cowboys let their first round opponent hang in there with them, but not so much in this game.

Joey Graham beating the buzzer with a dunk at the end of the first half. Really a great defensive effort put in by the Cowboys, but the Big 12 champions just too strong from the inside, from the outside.

They shot 62 percent in this contest. You're not going to lose a whole lot of games shooting 62 percent. Winning this one by a final of 70 to 53.

All right. Now, a little golf for you. Final round of the Bay Hill Invitational where, by the way, Tiger Woods absolutely melted down his third straight round of over par.

This was Chad Campbell's day. Four strokes back and Stuart Appleby on here on nine, rolling in a long birdie, and then Appleby just totally went into meltdown mode. Limping out a three-footer, he had for bogeys in this one.

And at the end, Chad Campbell, all he needed to do was seven-putt on the 18th hole to win it. It was the biggest comeback in Bay Hill in 20 years. Chad Campbell wins this one by four strokes.

Let's pick up the pace a little bit again for the Carolina 400. This is why cameras shouldn't be this close to the track. Something gets up there and knocks out the lens.

Andy Hillenburg spins out. And watch Jeff Gordon. Absolutely no place to go. T-honing him. Gordon -- he'll be OK.

You know, this race not always about on the track. Nineteen laps to go, Jimmy Johnson went into the pits in second. He came out in first. He held on to win -- his first victory, by the way, at the Lady in Black. And that is not a bad hotrod move there, as well, at the end.

LIN: Yes.

OVERMYER: At the end of the race, you can do pretty much whatever you want. Jimmy Johnson ...

LIN: Oh, my gosh. Just stay alive.

OVERMYER: ... with a nice one (ph) there (ph).

But I think the focus this day has just really been on all the upsets we have seen this weekend in March Madness. It's really been incredible.

LIN: And everybody loves to see what Cinderella stories might pop up. And here you have an old Cinderella story like Gonzaga, and ...

OVERMYER: Yes.

LIN: ... a new Cinderella story, perhaps, in Nevada?

OVERMYER: Yes. In Nevada. Very good. Yesterday, Gonzaga -- who has been, really since 1999, when they burst onto the scene as a tenth seed, and they went all the way to the Elite Eight back in 1999 -- they've been the team that every small school has modeled themselves after.

They wanted to be Cinderella. But now the tournament darlings are actually the favorites. They were a second seed. They were considered Final Four possibilities here.

But then they were upset by a tenth seed in Nevada. So, it's funny how the torch has been passed.

And if anybody was going to upset Gonzaga, it had to be tenth seed. It had to be a small school to do it right, you know?

LIN: You bet. It makes a much better story.

OVERMYER: It makes for a good story. But you know what? We want to see the best teams in the Final Four.

LIN: You bet.

OVERMYER: You know.

LIN: And not necessarily the usual suspects.

OVERMYER: Exactly.

LIN: Yes, we like a surprise.

OVERMYER: Yes.

LIN: All right. Thanks so much, Steve.

OVERMYER: Hope your bracket is doing all right.

LIN: I'm keeping my fingers crossed.

Well, just in case the candidates get complacent while running for president, ...

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JAY LENO, HOST, NBC'S "TONIGHT SHOW": The Secret Service announced today they are doubling its protection for John Kerry. Well, you can understand why. I mean, with two positions on every issue, he's got twice as many people mad at him.

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LIN: That's pretty good. The political week in laughter, just ahead.

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LIN: This weekend, movie audiences apparently had a big appetite for zombies with insatiable hunger. The horror flick "Dawn of the Dead" ruled the box office, debuting with ticket sales of more than $27 million.

Mel Gibson's "The Passion of the Christ" slipped into second place after three weeks at number one. It earned about $19 million. "Secret Window" rounds out the top five.

Some entertainment ideas are planned, others happen by accident. Mega-millionaire Donald Trump explains how his now famous "You're fired" got started.

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DONALD TRUMP, BILLIONAIRE, "THE APPRENTICE": I've fired a lot of people. Generally, I like other people to fire, because it's always a lousy task. But I have fired many people.

But, you know, the words, "You're fired," didn't happen for the show. It was sort of a little bit of a -- I won't say it was a mistake, because it turned out to be really an asset. But when I came into the first board room meeting, the person that I was going to fire, I wasn't going to say, "You're fired." I was going to say, you know, "It didn't work out for you. Don't worry about it. You'll come back."

And all of a sudden I'm sitting there, and it's really, essentially like live television. You can't do much about it. It's just, as far as I'm concerned, reality. I don't want double takes. I don't want any of this.

And I came out and said, "You are fired." And everyone went crazy. I mean, the whole place went crazy. All of the folks at NBC, they were in the back, because this was the first session. And, you know, they spent a lot of money on the show, over $2 million an episode. And they had a lot of NBC executives in the control room watching.

And they heard the words, "You're fired." And everybody started jumping up and applauding. They thought it was great.

So, it was a little bit by accident that the term, "You're fired," came about. But when you think about it, it's a very precise, very beautiful two words.

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LIN: Yes. Pretty scary, too. Donald Trump is a frequent target of late-night comedians. But it's politics, and it's providing many laughs right now. Here's a sample.

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CONAN O'BRIEN, HOST, NBC'S "LATE NIGHT": It was reported today that John Kerry is hoping to raise $80 million before the Democratic convention. It's a lot of money.

Yes, Kerry has two ways to raise the $80 million -- soliciting Democratic donors and going through his wife's purse.

DAVID LETTERMAN, HOST, CBS'S "LATE SHOW": John Kerry says that foreign leaders -- John Kerry, now -- says that foreign leaders want him to be president, but that he can't name the foreign leaders.

He says that they want him to be president, but he can't -- and I thought, well that's all right. President Bush can't name them, either.

BILL MAHER, HOST, HBO'S "REAL TIME": You hear that ovation, Governor? That's got to make you feel good.

HOWARD DEAN, FORMER DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: If I had a vote for everybody who came up and congratulated me in the airport, I'd be the nominee, not John Kerry.

JON STEWART, HOST, COMEDY CENTRAL'S "THE DAILY SHOW": Every now and again, the audience screams so loud that we can't help but hear you. So tonight, we bow down to the audience's wishes.

And we're going to deal with the topic you've been clamoring for. You asked for it. You got it. Our lead story tonight, America (ph)!

LENO: The Secret Service announced today they are doubling its protection for John Kerry. Well, you can understand why. I mean, with two positions on every issue, he's got twice as many people mad at him. You know, it's just -- it's going to happen.

LETTERMAN: George Bush, though, is -- his campaign is -- he's really doing much, much better, and he's shot right up in the polls since he captured Martha Stewart.

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LIN: That's it for us.

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