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Janet Jackson Hosts "SNL"; Mexican Resue Workers Look Through Debris For Survivors
Aired April 11, 2004 - 18:30 ET
THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.
THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.
CAROL LIN, CNN ANCHOR, CNN LIVE SUNDAY: Searchers don't expect to find any more survivors of the propane tank explosion that killed at least eight people yesterday in Nuevo Progreso, Mexico. CNN's Alina Cho is standing by in the grief stricken border town of Progreso, Texas; Alina, I understand you got a chance to talk to some people, very close to this story?
ALINA CHO, CNN CORRESPONDENT: We certainly did, Carol. We'll get to that in a moment. First, we should mention it is not known at this point if there is anyone left trapped in the rubble. Earlier, we were saying that at many as 15 people may have been trapped inside that debris.
The rescue work still continues, however, and what we do know is that Nuevo Progreso hasn't seen anything like this before and is trying to deal with what's happened.
(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
CHO (voice-over): These two women couldn't hide their grief after learning their elderly neighbor was among those killed in the blast.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (through translator): She was a small, round woman, she said affectionately. She was a good friend.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He has one here. Several cuts on the head.
CHOI: (UNINTELLIGIBLE) father was driving by when it happened.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He just heard a big bang. And then, all of the stones were falling on his car.
CHO: She says her father is out of danger now, but in the beginning --
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We didn't know what happened. After we saw our father, we heard the news. And it was shocking.
CHO: Rescuers meantime continue their slow search for bodies.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We are not giving hope that we might find survivors but in reality, we are looking at recovery.
CHO: Power is out during the search for safety reasons, so businesses in the area are closed. Down the street, one tortilla shop is open, and at 80 cents for 10 tortillas, can't keep up with demand.
CHO: We are selling a little more today, says the owner. Because there is no electricity in the other tortilla shops. These women say this small Mexican town couldn't get through this without the help of American rescue workers from across the border. They said we are very grateful for this help.
(END VIDEOTAPE)
CHO (on-camera): And funeral services for the victims are already underway at this hour. We should also tell you that the man who owns the restaurant that was destroyed in the blast was actually out of town when this happened. He has just come back to find his business in ruins. Carol?
LIN: Oh my gosh. All right. Thank you very much. Alina Cho, reporting live in Progreso.
Well, checking the stories now across America, New York, in (ph) New York. A firefighter is under arrest on manslaughter and DUI charges after a car crash that killed a teenage driver. Police say the off duty fireman's jeep plowed into the 18-year-old's BMW in Brooklyn Friday night.
Summerville, New Jersey, a judge may rule tomorrow on whether to dismiss manslaughter charges against former basketball star Jason Williams. His lawyers argue that prosecutors withheld notes and photos made by one of their weapons experts. The prosecution calls it an inadvertent error. Williams is charged in the shotgun death of his limo driver.
Arlington, Virginia. The U.S. Army military district of Washington hosted its annual Easter sunrise service at Arlington National Cemetery. A prelude concert by the U.S. Marine band set the tone.
And as the holy week for Christians and Jews draws to a close, security officials across the U.S. are hoping the last hours will tick away without a terrorist attack. CNN's Miguel Marquez reports.
(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
MIGUEL MARQUEZ, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): In Los Angeles, in the collective sprawl of nearly 10 million people, a weekend of religious observance brings a special focus to the city's Jewish community.
CHIEF WILLIAM BRATTON, LOS ANGELES POLICE: I have directed all our my area commanding offices, all 18 areas, to conduct a review of all the synagogues in Jewish community censors (ph) in their areas.
MARQUEZ: Though L.A.P.D says there has been no specific credible threat against any religious institution, bombs on Spanish trains and foiled London chemical attacks are warning enough.
BRATTON: Our efforts in this area being taken to address heightened concerns during this period in light of the recent string of events around the world.
MARQUEZ: At LAX, the holy weekend brings no change to ever- heightened security.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: LAX is really the gateway to the United States, and the gateway to Asia. So it is constantly targeted.
MARQUEZ: And beyond planes, the TSA (ph) wants all travelers, no matter how they are getting around, to remain alert.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Every mode of transportation is obviously a concern.
(END VIDEOTAPE)
MARQUEZ (on-camera): Something else L.A.P.D. says it's doing, staying in close contact with federal officials, and beeping up the number of officers controlling the streets. Miguel Marquez, CNN, Los Angeles.
LIN: He is on the fairways without his right-hand man.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Damn this disease, damn it. They are going to find a cure.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
LIN: Still to come, the bond between golfer Tom Watson, and his caddy. First, the Super Bowl, then talk shows, and then now "Saturday Night Live." Is Janet Jackson overkill?
Plus, they won't be strutting their stuff this year. Find out how Janet convinced Victoria to dump runway stride.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
LIN: Well, the buzz at the Masters today, lefties revenge. Left-handed golfer Phil Nicholson has won the 68th Masters Golf tournament. He's never won a major title until today. Nicholson beat Ernie Ells (ph) by one stroke, stroke closing out the last round at three under par for 69. Hand that man a green jacket. Congratulations.
Well the opening rounds at Augusta National this year were especially emotional. Fans watched Arnold Palmer play his 50th and final Masters Friday. And golfer Tom Watson acknowledged the passing of Bruce Edwards, the caddie who was by his side for nearly 30 years. Josie Burke reports.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
JOSIE BURKE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: For three decades, Tom Watson has been playing in the Masters every spring. But on Thursday, he was lost on the course he knows so well. TOM WATSON, PROFESSIONAL GOLFER: I did something I have rarely done in the last 25 years, that is to carry a yardage book in my hip pocket.
Burke: He needed the book because his long time caddie Bruce Edwards wasn't there to show him the way. They have been a team for the better part of 30 years. When the 49-year-old Edwards lost his battle with Lou Garrett's disease early Thursday morning, he left Watson to carry on their crusade.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
Watson: First of all, I want to say damn this disease. Damn it! We're going to find a cure. We don't have one right now.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
BURKE: Edwards and Watson had a final round of glory together last summer. Watson opened with a 65 at the U.S. Open, with an ailing Edwards along every step of the way. Privately, they shared another moment in Augusta at their final Masters together.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
WATSON: When I left Bruce last year, he was crying in the parking lot. Because he thought that it was going to be the last Masters. Of course, it was. \
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BURKE: Edwards leaves a legacy any golfer can appreciate.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
WATSON: The Arnold Palmer of caddies. I think when a young guy came out and a guy who was a rookie out here, Bruce would -- he wouldn't hesitate to tell him the ropes. Show him the ropes. Say, hey, this is the way you do it.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A man that loved the game and would do anything for you. Just a great guy.
BURKE (on-camera): Watson said he thought it was appropriate that Edwards died on the first day of the Masters, because it was his favorite tournament and it gave the golf community a chance to celebrate his life. Josie Burke, CNN, Augusta, Georgia.
LIN: John Feinstein was a nervous Cub reporter for the "The Washington Post" when he first met Bruce Edwards. Like a good reporter, he ignored the sign that said "Players, Caddies, Officials Only" and marched right up to Bruce Edwards. John, your first conversation with Bruce actually started with a confession on your part about your lack of experience. JOHN FEINSTEIN, THE WASHINGTON POST: Absolutely, Carol. It was 1981. The first golf tournament I ever covered for the "The Washington Post" as you said. I told Bruce, look, I don't know anything about golf. He said, well, you must know something. You recognized the caddie.
I said, not just any caddie. You're the caddie for Tom Watson. Everybody knows you. That day was the beginning of a friendship. We spent two-and-a-half hours talking and he became in effect, my first PGA tour guide. And that's what led to this book.
LIN: Yes, at 6:26 a.m. on Thursday, the first day of the Masters. What do you make of the time of his death? The timing.
FEINSTEIN: Well, it's obviously very sad and very shocking even though we -- those of us who were close to Bruce knew that this was coming. But there was something right about the notion of Tom Watson mourning Bruce by going out to play that day.
A number of people asked me that morning if I was surprised that Tom went out and played. And I said, no, not in the least. If he didn't, Bruce would come back and kick his butt. The last thing in the world that Bruce wanted was for his death to have a negative affect on anybody that he loved. That was the only thing about dying that bothered Bruce. Was that he knew that those who loved him would suffer and be sad. He wasn't afraid to die.
LIN: The thing is that he had known for months if not years that the day was going to come, and I think all of us wonder what would it be like to be in that position and in the spotlight where death becomes the story of your life.
FEINSTEIN: When he first got sick, one of the things Bruce dreaded was being in the limelight. He always enjoyed being the man behind the man. But he understood to get the word out ALS, to make people aware of the horrors of this disease which had no cure, to raise money, he and Tom both had to be willing to talk about it, to be visible, to be available to people. Even though Bruce was having trouble talking at that point and didn't really want to speak publicly. But he did.
LIN: What do you think made him a great caddie?
FEINSTEIN: It was a combination of things. First of all, he loved the game. He loved his job. He loved his boss, Tom Watson. He loved being on a golf course. He told me he never had a bad day on a golf course. He had some disappointing days when Tom didn't play that well, but never had a bad day on the golf course.
And the other thing was because of Tom's demeanor. Bruce knew that he could stand up to him. That he could tell him when he was wrong. There's a famous story about Bruce getting on Tom because Tom wanted to lay up on a par five one day, and screaming at him, if you don't hit this 3 wood, you're a chicken blank mother blank and storming away from him.
And Tom hit the three wood. And it takes a player with a lot of confidence and a caddie with a lot of confidence to have that sort of relationship.
LIN: Thank you very much John Feinstein, for sharing those stories with us.
FEINSTEIN: Thank you, my pleasure, Carol.
LIN: I got to talk to john just yesterday. John Feinstein's new book is "Caddie for Life, the Bruce Edwards Story." We'll be right back in a moment.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: When you first came into office, you'd just been through a very difficult campaign. You walk in and -- they were talking about al Qaeda should be our number one priority. What did you think and what did you tell the President as you hit that kind of -- I suppose new information for you?
JANET JACKSON: Well -- w-w-w -- live from New York, it's Saturday Night!
(END VIDEO CLIP)
LIN: Janet Jackson there having some fun with her now infamous Super Bowl half-time incident. At last NBC was ready was ready with the pixilation this time. We all know sex sells. Jackson has been capitalizing on the breast-baring incident. Is it helping or hurting her career or just getting her more publicity? Elizabeth Spiers follows pop culture in New York. She's a Freelance journalist contributing writer for "New York" magazine.
Elizabeth, the bottom line is, a lot mothers are out there saying if they want their daughters to succeed, this is what their daughter's see on television. The message sent is, honey, if you want to get ahead in the world, and get attention in the word, all you have to do is just show it. What do you think?
ELIZABETH SPIERS, NEW YORK MAGAZINE: I don't think that it's necessarily a foolproof way to get publicity or attention, and certainly not the best or perhaps the most consistent route to exposure and fame. But it is in some ways a good short cut method, and that's not really something, I think, that a lot of these mothers really want their daughters to look at as a model for success.
LIN: Yes, but I don't mean to be, overly prim about this, really, but I'm just trying to figure out what the message is here. Americans seem to be really tolerant of indecent behavior.
SPIERS: I don't know that that's really true. I mean, you see this sort of post Super Bowl brouhaha (ph) of the things that happened after Janet had her (UNINTELLIGIBLE) called the wardrobe malfunction. You did see a lot of outrage, from not just conservative groups, but from a lot of middle Americans. I'm not entirely sure that that's true.
Topless women on a beach in St, Barts (ph) really are not scandalous, but in certain context like the Super Bowl incident, you find most of middle America reacting very violently to this sort of thing happening.
LIN: Isn't she going to sell more records, though?
SPIERS: Oh, absolutely.
LIN: There you go, right? I mean beauty, some brains, enough to do something like this on worldwide television, and a record deal that is going to make her company money and herself.
SPIERS: Sure.
LIN: So what do you think would have happened if Condoleeza Rice did flash the 9/11 Commission?
SPIERS: I think there would have been a little shock and awe maybe. I don't think that it would have been -- obviously it would have been completely inappropriate in that situation. I'm not sure that it would have necessarily distracted the people sitting on the council, from what Miss Rice was saying. Maybe she should have tried it.
LIN: Would you pull a stunt like that if it meant, advancing your career? You're in the media.
SPIERS: I wouldn't, but mostly because I would hope that I could view that on my own merits without having to resort to that.
LIN: All right. Well, that's what our daughters are going to be watching tonight. Thanks so much Elizabeth Spiers, New York Magazine.
SPIERS: No problem.
LIN: Well, talk about body baring fallout. Victoria's Secret is pulling the plug on its nationally televised fashion show. The lingerie chain made the call weeks ago. Right when Janet Jackson was catching all the heat for the wardrobe malfunction at the Super Bowl. The company says it's exploring new ways to expose America to its product.
That's it for us. Coming up at 7:00 Eastern, an in-depth look at the life of Evangelist Billy Graham on PEOPLE IN THE NEWS. At 8:00, a special CNN PRESENTS. CNN Correspondent Nick Robertson returns to Iraq on the anniversary of the war to take stock of the U.S. Occupation.
At 9:00 Eastern, actress Linda Evans joins Larry King to talk about her career, her life on Dynasty, kissing Rock Hudson and more. I'm going to be back at 10:00 Eastern with Heidi from "The Apprentice." She was fired, but now she's back in the game trying to help Donald Trump pick a winner. The headlines today when I come back and then PEOPLE IN THE NEWS.
TO ORDER A VIDEO OF THIS TRANSCRIPT, PLEASE CALL 800-CNN-NEWS OR USE OUR SECURE ONLINE ORDER FORM LOCATED AT www.fdch.com
Aired April 11, 2004 - 18:30 ET
THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.
CAROL LIN, CNN ANCHOR, CNN LIVE SUNDAY: Searchers don't expect to find any more survivors of the propane tank explosion that killed at least eight people yesterday in Nuevo Progreso, Mexico. CNN's Alina Cho is standing by in the grief stricken border town of Progreso, Texas; Alina, I understand you got a chance to talk to some people, very close to this story?
ALINA CHO, CNN CORRESPONDENT: We certainly did, Carol. We'll get to that in a moment. First, we should mention it is not known at this point if there is anyone left trapped in the rubble. Earlier, we were saying that at many as 15 people may have been trapped inside that debris.
The rescue work still continues, however, and what we do know is that Nuevo Progreso hasn't seen anything like this before and is trying to deal with what's happened.
(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
CHO (voice-over): These two women couldn't hide their grief after learning their elderly neighbor was among those killed in the blast.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (through translator): She was a small, round woman, she said affectionately. She was a good friend.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He has one here. Several cuts on the head.
CHOI: (UNINTELLIGIBLE) father was driving by when it happened.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He just heard a big bang. And then, all of the stones were falling on his car.
CHO: She says her father is out of danger now, but in the beginning --
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We didn't know what happened. After we saw our father, we heard the news. And it was shocking.
CHO: Rescuers meantime continue their slow search for bodies.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We are not giving hope that we might find survivors but in reality, we are looking at recovery.
CHO: Power is out during the search for safety reasons, so businesses in the area are closed. Down the street, one tortilla shop is open, and at 80 cents for 10 tortillas, can't keep up with demand.
CHO: We are selling a little more today, says the owner. Because there is no electricity in the other tortilla shops. These women say this small Mexican town couldn't get through this without the help of American rescue workers from across the border. They said we are very grateful for this help.
(END VIDEOTAPE)
CHO (on-camera): And funeral services for the victims are already underway at this hour. We should also tell you that the man who owns the restaurant that was destroyed in the blast was actually out of town when this happened. He has just come back to find his business in ruins. Carol?
LIN: Oh my gosh. All right. Thank you very much. Alina Cho, reporting live in Progreso.
Well, checking the stories now across America, New York, in (ph) New York. A firefighter is under arrest on manslaughter and DUI charges after a car crash that killed a teenage driver. Police say the off duty fireman's jeep plowed into the 18-year-old's BMW in Brooklyn Friday night.
Summerville, New Jersey, a judge may rule tomorrow on whether to dismiss manslaughter charges against former basketball star Jason Williams. His lawyers argue that prosecutors withheld notes and photos made by one of their weapons experts. The prosecution calls it an inadvertent error. Williams is charged in the shotgun death of his limo driver.
Arlington, Virginia. The U.S. Army military district of Washington hosted its annual Easter sunrise service at Arlington National Cemetery. A prelude concert by the U.S. Marine band set the tone.
And as the holy week for Christians and Jews draws to a close, security officials across the U.S. are hoping the last hours will tick away without a terrorist attack. CNN's Miguel Marquez reports.
(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
MIGUEL MARQUEZ, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): In Los Angeles, in the collective sprawl of nearly 10 million people, a weekend of religious observance brings a special focus to the city's Jewish community.
CHIEF WILLIAM BRATTON, LOS ANGELES POLICE: I have directed all our my area commanding offices, all 18 areas, to conduct a review of all the synagogues in Jewish community censors (ph) in their areas.
MARQUEZ: Though L.A.P.D says there has been no specific credible threat against any religious institution, bombs on Spanish trains and foiled London chemical attacks are warning enough.
BRATTON: Our efforts in this area being taken to address heightened concerns during this period in light of the recent string of events around the world.
MARQUEZ: At LAX, the holy weekend brings no change to ever- heightened security.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: LAX is really the gateway to the United States, and the gateway to Asia. So it is constantly targeted.
MARQUEZ: And beyond planes, the TSA (ph) wants all travelers, no matter how they are getting around, to remain alert.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Every mode of transportation is obviously a concern.
(END VIDEOTAPE)
MARQUEZ (on-camera): Something else L.A.P.D. says it's doing, staying in close contact with federal officials, and beeping up the number of officers controlling the streets. Miguel Marquez, CNN, Los Angeles.
LIN: He is on the fairways without his right-hand man.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Damn this disease, damn it. They are going to find a cure.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
LIN: Still to come, the bond between golfer Tom Watson, and his caddy. First, the Super Bowl, then talk shows, and then now "Saturday Night Live." Is Janet Jackson overkill?
Plus, they won't be strutting their stuff this year. Find out how Janet convinced Victoria to dump runway stride.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
LIN: Well, the buzz at the Masters today, lefties revenge. Left-handed golfer Phil Nicholson has won the 68th Masters Golf tournament. He's never won a major title until today. Nicholson beat Ernie Ells (ph) by one stroke, stroke closing out the last round at three under par for 69. Hand that man a green jacket. Congratulations.
Well the opening rounds at Augusta National this year were especially emotional. Fans watched Arnold Palmer play his 50th and final Masters Friday. And golfer Tom Watson acknowledged the passing of Bruce Edwards, the caddie who was by his side for nearly 30 years. Josie Burke reports.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
JOSIE BURKE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: For three decades, Tom Watson has been playing in the Masters every spring. But on Thursday, he was lost on the course he knows so well. TOM WATSON, PROFESSIONAL GOLFER: I did something I have rarely done in the last 25 years, that is to carry a yardage book in my hip pocket.
Burke: He needed the book because his long time caddie Bruce Edwards wasn't there to show him the way. They have been a team for the better part of 30 years. When the 49-year-old Edwards lost his battle with Lou Garrett's disease early Thursday morning, he left Watson to carry on their crusade.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
Watson: First of all, I want to say damn this disease. Damn it! We're going to find a cure. We don't have one right now.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
BURKE: Edwards and Watson had a final round of glory together last summer. Watson opened with a 65 at the U.S. Open, with an ailing Edwards along every step of the way. Privately, they shared another moment in Augusta at their final Masters together.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
WATSON: When I left Bruce last year, he was crying in the parking lot. Because he thought that it was going to be the last Masters. Of course, it was. \
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BURKE: Edwards leaves a legacy any golfer can appreciate.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
WATSON: The Arnold Palmer of caddies. I think when a young guy came out and a guy who was a rookie out here, Bruce would -- he wouldn't hesitate to tell him the ropes. Show him the ropes. Say, hey, this is the way you do it.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A man that loved the game and would do anything for you. Just a great guy.
BURKE (on-camera): Watson said he thought it was appropriate that Edwards died on the first day of the Masters, because it was his favorite tournament and it gave the golf community a chance to celebrate his life. Josie Burke, CNN, Augusta, Georgia.
LIN: John Feinstein was a nervous Cub reporter for the "The Washington Post" when he first met Bruce Edwards. Like a good reporter, he ignored the sign that said "Players, Caddies, Officials Only" and marched right up to Bruce Edwards. John, your first conversation with Bruce actually started with a confession on your part about your lack of experience. JOHN FEINSTEIN, THE WASHINGTON POST: Absolutely, Carol. It was 1981. The first golf tournament I ever covered for the "The Washington Post" as you said. I told Bruce, look, I don't know anything about golf. He said, well, you must know something. You recognized the caddie.
I said, not just any caddie. You're the caddie for Tom Watson. Everybody knows you. That day was the beginning of a friendship. We spent two-and-a-half hours talking and he became in effect, my first PGA tour guide. And that's what led to this book.
LIN: Yes, at 6:26 a.m. on Thursday, the first day of the Masters. What do you make of the time of his death? The timing.
FEINSTEIN: Well, it's obviously very sad and very shocking even though we -- those of us who were close to Bruce knew that this was coming. But there was something right about the notion of Tom Watson mourning Bruce by going out to play that day.
A number of people asked me that morning if I was surprised that Tom went out and played. And I said, no, not in the least. If he didn't, Bruce would come back and kick his butt. The last thing in the world that Bruce wanted was for his death to have a negative affect on anybody that he loved. That was the only thing about dying that bothered Bruce. Was that he knew that those who loved him would suffer and be sad. He wasn't afraid to die.
LIN: The thing is that he had known for months if not years that the day was going to come, and I think all of us wonder what would it be like to be in that position and in the spotlight where death becomes the story of your life.
FEINSTEIN: When he first got sick, one of the things Bruce dreaded was being in the limelight. He always enjoyed being the man behind the man. But he understood to get the word out ALS, to make people aware of the horrors of this disease which had no cure, to raise money, he and Tom both had to be willing to talk about it, to be visible, to be available to people. Even though Bruce was having trouble talking at that point and didn't really want to speak publicly. But he did.
LIN: What do you think made him a great caddie?
FEINSTEIN: It was a combination of things. First of all, he loved the game. He loved his job. He loved his boss, Tom Watson. He loved being on a golf course. He told me he never had a bad day on a golf course. He had some disappointing days when Tom didn't play that well, but never had a bad day on the golf course.
And the other thing was because of Tom's demeanor. Bruce knew that he could stand up to him. That he could tell him when he was wrong. There's a famous story about Bruce getting on Tom because Tom wanted to lay up on a par five one day, and screaming at him, if you don't hit this 3 wood, you're a chicken blank mother blank and storming away from him.
And Tom hit the three wood. And it takes a player with a lot of confidence and a caddie with a lot of confidence to have that sort of relationship.
LIN: Thank you very much John Feinstein, for sharing those stories with us.
FEINSTEIN: Thank you, my pleasure, Carol.
LIN: I got to talk to john just yesterday. John Feinstein's new book is "Caddie for Life, the Bruce Edwards Story." We'll be right back in a moment.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: When you first came into office, you'd just been through a very difficult campaign. You walk in and -- they were talking about al Qaeda should be our number one priority. What did you think and what did you tell the President as you hit that kind of -- I suppose new information for you?
JANET JACKSON: Well -- w-w-w -- live from New York, it's Saturday Night!
(END VIDEO CLIP)
LIN: Janet Jackson there having some fun with her now infamous Super Bowl half-time incident. At last NBC was ready was ready with the pixilation this time. We all know sex sells. Jackson has been capitalizing on the breast-baring incident. Is it helping or hurting her career or just getting her more publicity? Elizabeth Spiers follows pop culture in New York. She's a Freelance journalist contributing writer for "New York" magazine.
Elizabeth, the bottom line is, a lot mothers are out there saying if they want their daughters to succeed, this is what their daughter's see on television. The message sent is, honey, if you want to get ahead in the world, and get attention in the word, all you have to do is just show it. What do you think?
ELIZABETH SPIERS, NEW YORK MAGAZINE: I don't think that it's necessarily a foolproof way to get publicity or attention, and certainly not the best or perhaps the most consistent route to exposure and fame. But it is in some ways a good short cut method, and that's not really something, I think, that a lot of these mothers really want their daughters to look at as a model for success.
LIN: Yes, but I don't mean to be, overly prim about this, really, but I'm just trying to figure out what the message is here. Americans seem to be really tolerant of indecent behavior.
SPIERS: I don't know that that's really true. I mean, you see this sort of post Super Bowl brouhaha (ph) of the things that happened after Janet had her (UNINTELLIGIBLE) called the wardrobe malfunction. You did see a lot of outrage, from not just conservative groups, but from a lot of middle Americans. I'm not entirely sure that that's true.
Topless women on a beach in St, Barts (ph) really are not scandalous, but in certain context like the Super Bowl incident, you find most of middle America reacting very violently to this sort of thing happening.
LIN: Isn't she going to sell more records, though?
SPIERS: Oh, absolutely.
LIN: There you go, right? I mean beauty, some brains, enough to do something like this on worldwide television, and a record deal that is going to make her company money and herself.
SPIERS: Sure.
LIN: So what do you think would have happened if Condoleeza Rice did flash the 9/11 Commission?
SPIERS: I think there would have been a little shock and awe maybe. I don't think that it would have been -- obviously it would have been completely inappropriate in that situation. I'm not sure that it would have necessarily distracted the people sitting on the council, from what Miss Rice was saying. Maybe she should have tried it.
LIN: Would you pull a stunt like that if it meant, advancing your career? You're in the media.
SPIERS: I wouldn't, but mostly because I would hope that I could view that on my own merits without having to resort to that.
LIN: All right. Well, that's what our daughters are going to be watching tonight. Thanks so much Elizabeth Spiers, New York Magazine.
SPIERS: No problem.
LIN: Well, talk about body baring fallout. Victoria's Secret is pulling the plug on its nationally televised fashion show. The lingerie chain made the call weeks ago. Right when Janet Jackson was catching all the heat for the wardrobe malfunction at the Super Bowl. The company says it's exploring new ways to expose America to its product.
That's it for us. Coming up at 7:00 Eastern, an in-depth look at the life of Evangelist Billy Graham on PEOPLE IN THE NEWS. At 8:00, a special CNN PRESENTS. CNN Correspondent Nick Robertson returns to Iraq on the anniversary of the war to take stock of the U.S. Occupation.
At 9:00 Eastern, actress Linda Evans joins Larry King to talk about her career, her life on Dynasty, kissing Rock Hudson and more. I'm going to be back at 10:00 Eastern with Heidi from "The Apprentice." She was fired, but now she's back in the game trying to help Donald Trump pick a winner. The headlines today when I come back and then PEOPLE IN THE NEWS.
TO ORDER A VIDEO OF THIS TRANSCRIPT, PLEASE CALL 800-CNN-NEWS OR USE OUR SECURE ONLINE ORDER FORM LOCATED AT www.fdch.com
