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AMERICAN MORNING

'Gimme a Minute'; Dealing With Multiple Births

Aired April 30, 2004 - 08:30   ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.


SOLEDAD O'BRIEN, CNN ANCHOR: The U.S. Senate agreed to extend a ban on taxing Internet access. The four-year extension ended months of debate on Capitol Hill. Some state and local governments say millions of dollars in tax revenues are lost as more phone services become available over the Internet. President Bush calls the Senate vote an important step toward making high-speed Internet service more affordable.
And it all happened in one hospital in the suburbs of Chicago. In the span of 13 hours, 13 babies were delivered, all of them girls. One of the doctors at the hospital suggested that the girls come back for a reunion, maybe on their 13th birthday. Who says the number 13 is unlucky. Very cute little babies.

Even better, they are all sleeping.

BILL HEMMER, CNN ANCHOR: Nice and quiet.

(WEATHER REPORT)

HEMMER: It's Friday. Time for "Gimme a Minute."

From D.C., Donna Brazile back with us, Democratic strategist, CNN contributor.

Good morning, Donna.

DONNA BRAZILE, CNN POL. CONTRIBUTOR: Hello, my brother.

HEMMER: And my sister.

Jonah Goldberg, National Review Online. Jonah, good morning to you. Nice to have you back.

JONAH GOLDBERG, NATIONAL REVIEW ONLINE: Good to see you.

HEMMER: Andy Borowitz of "The New Yorker" here in our New York studios.

Andy, how are you? Right across the room from me here.

ANDY BOROWITZ, "THE NEW YORKER": And I approve this message.

HEMMER: That you do. Well stated at the outset.

Donna, I want to start with you, Donna. One year ago tomorrow is when the president stood on that aircraft carrier off the coast of San Diego. This past month the deadly in for U.S. forces in Iraq. Where are we on this issue a year later?

BRAZILE: Well, you know, there's an old saying, the more things change, the more they stay the same. And right now, our troops are doing a great job. But their commander still lacks a real exit strategy.

HEMMER: What about it, Jonah? Where are we?

GOLDBERG: The real exit strategy is success, it's victory, it's a successful Iraq. And that way -- that means the only way forward is forward, and we shouldn't even be talking about an exit strategy. I agree, it's a mess, it's a complicated situation, it's not getting any easier, but we have to keep trying.

HEMMER: Let's move forward with Andy. Might be a tough one, Andy.

BOROWITZ: Interesting footnote, Bill. A year ago Saddam Hussein's birthday was a national holiday. This year, he didn't even get a card.

HEMMER: He did get a visit from the Red Cross earlier in the week. Does that count, Andy?

BOROWITZ: That was awesome.

HEMMER: Let's go back to Jonah for our next topic. Different week, different book out of D.C. Ambassador Joe Wilson angry he alleges the White House outed his wife essentially for her work with the CIA. How much more do you want to know about this story, Jonah?

GOLDBERG: How about absolutely zero. I think of all the books that have been coming out, this one is going to be a flop from everything I've read about it. He doesn't have anything new to offer. He hasn't offered any more news. It's just a lot of conjecture. The anti-Bush crowd will eat it up, but it's not going to do like Clarke or Woodward.

HEMMER: What about you, Donna?

BRAZILE: Well, I think the politics of truth will sell very well, because Ambassador Wilson will finally tell us what happens to those weapons of mass destruction. It's the last American official to see Saddam Hussein. I think he has a great deal to tell us.

HEMMER: All right, Andy, My hunch is you've heard enough already, or not?

BOROWITZ: Well, you know, President Bush says he has no interest in reading Joe Wilson's book because in his words, it's a book.

HEMMER: Thank you for that, Andy.

On Capitol Hill, Donna, back to you.

John McCain says we need to call a cease-fire in the arguments and the debates about Vietnam 35 years ago. Is this an issue that will stick with us throughout this entire campaign leading up to the 2nd of November?

BRAZILE: The long shadow of Vietnam will always be with us, because the war rages on in the minds of some people. But look, when it comes to John Kerry, the guy is a true soldier, a true hero, and they can't take that away from him.

HEMMER: Washington loves to debate this issue, Jonah.

GOLDBERG: Yes, although I got to say, the reason that Vietnam is an issue, is because John Kerry continually makes it an issue. He campaigns on his campaign record. He uses it in ads. He goes around with his band of brothers, who 30 years ago, he called war criminals, and then make an issue of Bush's service during Vietnam. They're the ones making an issue, so Republicans are arguing back.

HEMMER: My hunch is that there's a Kucinich joke in here somewhere, Andy.

BOROWITZ: There is not. I think President Bush put this issue to rest, when he said, take a look at my Vietnam war record. You won't find anything.

HEMMER: Read the book. Under the radar, Jonah, what did we miss this week?

GOLDBERG: In the pro-abortion march this week, Maxine Waters declared to the crowd that the reason she was there was because her mother couldn't have an abortion.

HEMMER: Wow -- Donna.

BRAZILE: Well, in the war that's still raging internally with Catholics, Nancy Pelosi said this week that she intends to continue to take communion. As a fellow catholic, I agree with her.

HEMMER: Andy, what about you? Wrap it up.

BOROWITZ: The Al Jazeera network plans to broadcast the final episode of "Friends" under the title "Enemies."

HEMMER: Must-see TV.

BOROWITZ: Absolutely.

HEMMER: On Thursday night, right?

Without question, thanks. Have a great weekend, all three of you.

Nice to see you. So long -- Soledad.

O'BRIEN: Several malls in Los Angeles had a strong police presence yesterday in the wake of a terrorist threat of an attack on a shopping complex. But trust late night comics to find the funny side in that story. Here's Jay Leno from last night's "Tonight Show."

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

JAY LENO, "TONIGHT SHOW" HOST: Do you know about this? A terrorist alert was announced today here in Los Angeles. Apparently malls in West L.A. have been targeted by terrorists. They say this is the worst threat to hit L.A. merchants, well, since Winona Ryder.

(LAUGHTER)

(END VIDEO CLIP)

O'BRIEN: City officials asked people to go about their daily routines, as usual, but to be on the lookout for anything unusual, and to report it to authorities immediately.

Still to come this morning on AMERICAN MORNING, preparing for an onslaught. Fans already starting to gather in California for Michael Jackson's court appearance. We've got a live report coming up in our next hour.

HEMMER: Also, a judge who has spoken on the Kentucky Derby, where the jockeys went to court, they wanted a ruling on what they can wear this weekend. That's ruling down. We'll talk about it in a moment.

O'BRIEN: And for some parents, the question isn't boy or girl; it's how many boys or how many girls? We've got advice for moms of multiple babies, coming up in our newborn series.

Stay with us. You're watching AMERICAN MORNING.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

O'BRIEN: All this week, we've been looking at the many challenges facing parents of newborns. This morning, in the final part of our series, "Multiple Births," Dr. Sanjay Gupta has some advice for those who are expecting twins, or triplets.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

DR. SANJAY GUPTA, CNN MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT: What do you do when the doctor says, "It's a boy, and it's a girl." What goes through the mind of parents of multiples?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Oh, wow. I'm going to have two doing that at the same time. What do I do? But I think you just figure it out.

GUPTA: Or you can get some tips from the experts.

HEIDI MURKOFF, AUTHOR, "WHAT TO EXPECT WHEN YOU'RE EXPECTING": Nobody else is going to have more valuable insights to share with you than other parents of twins.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: With twins, it's to expect the unexpected.

GUPTA: Our experts are Tara and Ellen. They each have their own set of twin tots.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You feed them at the same time.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They'll tag team you -- one will wake up, and as soon as you've been back asleep for 10 minutes, the other one's up, and that one's hungry.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The most incredible advice before I brought the children home, was you've got to get them on a schedule.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Nap at the same time.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Change diapers, everything, everything they do, they do together.

GUPTA: So how do you breast feed two babies at the same time?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I would put one child here in this arm, and I would balance his head and his hand, and then my other daughter right here, and then you've got two breasts, and then you just put them up simultaneously, just like this, and it's called a football (ph) hold.

GUPTA: Also, be as prepared as possible before the babies come. Have a support system set up.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We had a Sunday school group that had meals lined up for the first three months the babies were born.

GUPTA: Mom and dad have to work as a team, and don't forget to rest. Whenever you can, when the twins nap, you nap.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You are doing the most important thing when you take that nap for yourself. Because when they're up, it's just 24/7. I mean, it is constant activity.

GUPTA: One final tip you may not find in too many baby books: duct tape.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Duct tape on those diapers does not stick very well, but duct tape over that tape, they can't pull it off and lasso their poo-poo around.

GUPTA: Our experts told us no matter how daunting the prospect of raising two babies at the same time may be, they can't imagine having it any other way.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It's cliche. It's twice the love. Twice the hugs. But really it is. It is truly just overwhelming how much you love them so much, both of them equally.

GUPTA: Dr. Sanjay Gupta, CNN, Atlanta.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

O'BRIEN: Heidi Murkoff has had lots of good advice for parents of newborns this week. She's also the author the author of "What to Expect When You're Expecting." And she joins us with some more words of wisdom.

Good morning. Nice to see you. It's been nice to see you...

MURKOFF: Good morning. You look great.

O'BRIEN: Thank you. Appreciate that.

And you know what my biggest concern is because we're expecting twins? It's how do you manage? I mean, we heard one of those moms there say, when you get up, it's when they are awake, it's 24/7. And I just...

MURKOFF: You should try to do as much as possible in tandem with both twins at the same time. So you can burp them together, you know, one across the lap and one over the shoulder.

O'BRIEN: Literally together?

MURKOFF: Yes, literally.

Nap them together. Definitely, definitely feed them together. Because if you try to feed one baby at a time, you're going to be feeding babies 24/7 around the clock.

O'BRIEN: What do you do about your older kids. I've got two older kids, 3 and 2.

MURKOFF: Are they excited about it?

O'BRIEN: I think one is. The little one doesn't have a clue. Her world is going to be so rocked in about four more months, but the big one's excited.

MURKOFF: And if they want to be involved as much as they want to be helpers, then let them be.

O'BRIEN: But I'm worried about my time, so I'm not going to really have time for them anymore.

MURKOFF: Well, that's true, but when you are feeding the babies, you can hopefully sneak in a little story with the other one. And just lots of extra attention whenever possible. And also divide and conquer. So you know, when your husband is home, you can, you know, one of you can be with the twins and one with the other.

O'BRIEN: One of my big fears is people already compare my two older girls, who are relatively close in age. They compare them all the time. Oh, look, you have such nice curly hair and you do this and your sister -- you do this and your sister -- it drives me crazy, and I'm really concerned about twins that people will do that all the time, and I want them to be...

MURKOFF: And you want to treat them as individuals, right from the beginning. O'BRIEN: Even if they're doing everything together.

MURKOFF: Oops, did I say that?

But yes, instead of calling them the twins, you know, call them by their names and, they will have individual personalities. Are they fraternal or identical?

O'BRIEN: Fraternal.

MURKOFF: Yes, so you want to treat them as individuals, as the individuals that they will be, because they will be completely different kids.

O'BRIEN: Every single person i've met with one exception, who was a twin, and now tons of people have said, I'm a twin, or my mom is a twin had a great experience, I mean, just talks about how close they were with their brother or their sister.

MURKOFF: Exactly. In the early weeks -- this hopefully will be a little reassuring. In the early weeks, it's really, really overwhelming, because you are taking care of two babies. But eventually, they get to be each other's best company, so that frees you up a lot more.

O'BRIEN: You just leave them in the room.

MURKOFF: Yes, they develop their own language.

O'BRIEN: They can babysit for each other.

MURKOFF: No, not really. Don't try that at home.

O'BRIEN: Sarcasm, people.

MURKOFF: No, but they really are each other's best company, and they become good friends and not always. And not always, but they will fight, because they also are at the same stage developmentally, so there's a lot of competition as well.

O'BRIEN: Any final words of advice? I mean, I remember when I ran into you on that plane once, and you said, if you need any help, and I had my older daughter, and she was a few months old, and she was screaming...

MURKOFF: That's right, and I ended up holding the baby the entire flight.

O'BRIEN: You did, you said, anything I can do for you.

MURKOFF: I think that new parents get so much advice. The one thing you really got to keep in mind, is that when it comes to parenting, there are so few absolutes. You know, there are so many good ways to be a good parent. So you got to experiment and be flexible, as much as you can and pick and choose from all the conflicting advice you're going to get. But in the end, you've to learn to trust your instincts. Every baby is different and every parent is different.

O'BRIEN: Every multiple is different.

MURKOFF: Exactly.

O'BRIEN: I keep repeating that.

Heidi Murkoff, nice to see you, as always.

MURKOFF: Good luck.

O'BRIEN: Thank you. I'll chat with you before we actually pop out these kids.

MURKOFF: Oh, good, good, good, good.

O'BRIEN: The author of "What to Expect When You're Expecting." Don't forget our weekend "House Call." If you missed any part of Dr. Gupta's special series of reports this week, you get a second chance.

Surviving new parenthood. Surviving? Sanjay.

MURKOFF: That's the operative word.

O'BRIEN: That's Saturday morning on CNN at 8:30 a.m. Eastern Time.

Still to come this morning, making history at the Kentucky Derby, why the jockeys went to court and how the judges' rulings are going to change that race.

Stay with us. We're back in just a moment.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

HEMMER: Welcome back, everybody.

JACK CAFFERTY, CNN ANCHOR: Well, it won't be all horse wagering and mint juleps at the Kentucky Derby this weekend. With that and a market preview, here's my pal Andy Serwer "Minding Your Business," my business, your business, our business, their business.

ANDY SERWER, "FORTUNE" MAGAZINE: Yes, everybody's.

You want to talk Dutch auctions?

CAFFERTY: No.

SERWER: No, I don't want to do that. We already did that about Google.

Let's talk about the markets. Yesterday, not a very good day at all, inflation fears coming into the picture, sending stocks down. This morning, futures are up a little bit. Procter & Gamble's numbers looking good. The pride of Cincinnati, Ohio. But now, let's talk a little bit about the Kentucky Derby, 130th running of the race this weekend at Churchill Downs, and a judge has ruled the jockeys may be allowed to wear advertising on their silks. This would be a first. Those are colorful silks. They always are.

CAFFERTY: Ugly, but colorful.

SERWER: Well, you know. Interesting stuff here about this, Jack, because of course some sports already let advertising on. And you talk about the human billboards, which are NASCAR.

CAFFERTY: NASCAR guys, PGA Tour.

SERWER: Right, PGA Tour, you've got Phil Mickelson -- there's Jeff Gordon, the human billboard. And you've got Mickelson with the Ford things. You notice that when he won?

CAFFERTY: I missed that.

SERWER: And, of course, when you go to soccer in England, those guys wear, the Manchester United, wear Vodafone. You can't even tell which team it is. You have to sort of know. But this would be a first. It's interesting...

CAFFERTY: What do those guys put on their uniforms, like oats and seed companies?

SERWER: Well, I had a couple. How about this, first of all, of course, Jockey brand underwear. That's obvious. Then what else we got. Elevator shoes. Some of those guys are even shorter than I am. And then of course Elmer's glue. OK, that's not very nice.

O'BRIEN: That's horrible.

SERWER: It's horrible. Look, she's shocked.

HEMMER: Outraged.

SERWER: The other thing is, the jockeys don't get paid much money at all. The winning jockey at Churchill Downs only gets about $100,000. Sounds like a lot of money, but considering this is an event gets more viewership than the NBA playoffs, the losing jockey can make as little as $56.

CAFFERTY: You mean the guy who comes in last?

SERWER: Yes, the guy who comes in last.

CAFFERTY: No wonder they're beating the hell out of those horses in the home stretch, you don't want to finish last and get $56.

SERWER: Real incentivized there.

CAFFERTY: Trying to get the rent check.

SERWER: You best believe it.

CAFFERTY: All right, thanks, Andy. On to "The Cafferty File." On to "The Cafferty File." The reality of life in North Korea is not the same as it is elsewhere in our world. Natural disasters like last week's train explosion that killed 161 people, usually accompanied by tails of heroics, people trying to help others. In North Korea, the country's official news agency reported that people were running into burning buildings to save portraits of that goofy little jerk that runs the country, Kim Jong Il, this guy. Portraits of the leader are mandatory in every home and office, and all adults have to wear lapel pins, with images of Kim on their lapel, which accounts for the fact that North Koreans go around laughing out loud a good part of the day when they look at their countrymen, and they're all wearing the pictures of that funny looking little guy.

HEMMER: Hence the reason why they call it a dictatorship.

CAFFERTY: British men think their mother knows best. More than half of men between the ages of 18 and 24 ask mom for medical advice, according to a survey. 44 percent of those between 25 and 34 still go to mom. And 30 percent of men between 35 and 44 trust their mother when it comes to their health care.

Are you listening, Dr. Gupta? You couldn't make very much money in Britain, if this is the case.

Men detest seeking medical advice so much over there, 25 percent of them say they prefer shopping, which is worse than going to the dentist, as far I'm concerned, and 7 percent say they'd actually rather visit their mother-in-law than going to the doctor.

O'BRIEN: I bet those numbers are similar for America men.

CAFFERTY: Maybe, you think going to their mother for health care?

O'BRIEN: Not that I'm speaking about my husband or his family in any way.

HEMMER: I go to Gupta.

CAFFERTY: Yes, I would, too. I think Gupta's pretty good.

HEMMER: One more here. The latest hot retirement spot for the U.S. seniors is where the Sandinistans used to roam wild and free, Nicaragua. Many people still associate the second poorest country in the hemisphere with its revolutionary past. Nicaragua is now home to thousands of older Americans. "The Christian Science Monitor" reports that there are bargains to be had. A three-course meal at a top restaurant for two, 40 bucks, a five-bedroom ocean-front home, $180,000, and a full-time maid costs about $100 a month. So there you go, you want to retire, go to Nicaragua.

O'BRIEN: Do they have nice beaches in Nicaragua?

HEMMER: It's either there or Jersey.

SERWER: Hey, you know what I've just been told, that Martha Stewart Omnimedia just paid Martha Stewart a bonus last year. We just found out about this, $500,000.

CAFFERTY: Really?

SERWER: Yes. I mean, that's pretty amazing you have someone like that, in that much legal trouble, and she's still able to garner $500,000 bonus.

CAFFERTY: It hasn't been such a great year.

SERWER: Yes, I mean, what happens if she had been jailed? Would she have gotten more?

HEMMER: You see where ImClone was trading this week? 71.

SERWER: 79 Also at one point.

HEMMER: Is that so? So it came down a little bit.

But still, at least 10 points above...

CAFFERTY: What did she pick up the phone and sell it at?

SERWER: 60.

CAFFERTY: Dummy.

SERWER: Yes, the whole thing was for nothing. It was all for nothing.

CAFFERTY: Dummy.

SERWER: That's a good way to put.

O'BRIEN: Hindsight is 20/20 would be a nicer way to put that.

CAFFERTY: Dummy.

O'BRIEN: Thank you, guys.

SERWER: He's not going to give her any slack.

O'BRIEN: Still to come this morning, President Bush still dealing with the fateful statement he made just about a year ago. Live to the White House just ahead on AMERICAN MORNING.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

HEMMER: Still to come this morning, Michael Jackson hit the roof after his last court appearance. His next appearance is only 2 1/2 hours away. Live to Santa Maria, California, right after this, on AMERICAN MORNING.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

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