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Ohio, Battleground State; Anti-American Demonstrations Outside Baghdad Prison

Aired May 05, 2004 - 06:30   ET

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CAROL COSTELLO, CNN ANCHOR: Our Judy Woodruff has been in Ohio a lot herself. She's talked to voters in Stark County, where manufacturing jobs continue to dry up.
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JUDY WOODRUFF, CNN ANCHOR (voice-over): Stark County, Ohio, is the kind of place where flags fly everywhere, but all too often, next to "for sale" signs.

FRED HANNON, STEELWORKER: There's been so many plants closed and people out of work around here right now that there's a lot of uneasiness going on.

WOODRUFF: When this factory shut down two years ago, its jobs went overseas, some of the 3,500 jobs lost here since President Bush narrowly won the county in 2000. It is the issue Stark County Republicans and Democrats agree will be the key to November.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Unemployment, the economy, the economy, the economy. That's what it is here.

JANET WEIR CREIGHTON (R), CANTON, OHIO MAYOR: Jobs, I believe, are at the top of everybody's agenda, because that's what puts the bread and butter on our tables.

WOODRUFF: Voters here say they are looking for answers.

T.J. MCCARTHY, CANTON RESIDENT: I think that's going to be a big issue. What can the president, what can Congress do to help get this part of the country back on an even keel and get the factories moving again, get work going again in places that aren't working?

WOODRUFF: A vacant shopping center, the parking lot now used mainly for softball practice. Despite the economic problems, this team backs the president.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He's kept us safe at the home front right now, and he's eliminated a lot of the terrorist attacks that we've had in our country since 9/11.

WOODRUFF: The war is front-page news here, but the economy is never far from mind, pushing this voter to John Kerry.

CHRIS MCHENRY, NORTH CANTON RESIDENT: No jobs are available anymore. It's either working at fast food or grocery stores or, like, retail jobs. That's it. That's it. All of the rest of your good- paying jobs are gone.

WOODRUFF: Stark County has picked the winner in every presidential election but one in the last century.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's reflective of the rest of the nation. It's reflective in the fact that, you know, we have all of the issues that are everywhere.

WOODRUFF: It's such a bellwether, that when Canton's mayor was elected last fall, her first phone call was from Karl Rove, the president's political adviser.

CREIGHTON: Our makeup here in this county, our Independents far overwhelm our Republican and Democratic base. So you really have the big middle. I mean, that's what we're trying to attract.

WOODRUFF: Judy Woodruff, CNN, reporting.

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COSTELLO: And let's talk more about this important swing state in the 2004 election. No one has won the presidency without winning Ohio, so let's head live to our Washington bureau and the Cleveland "Plain Dealer" political reporter, Tom Diemer.

Good morning, Tom.

TOM DIEMER, CLEVELAND "PLAIN DEALER": Good morning, Carol.

COSTELLO: Full disclosure. I was born in Canton, and my family is there. So...

DIEMER: Oh, that's why they did the Canton piece.

COSTELLO: It's very important, though, you have to admit.

DIEMER: I agree with it, yes.

COSTELLO: Exactly. Sixteen visits by President Bush to Ohio so far. That's got to be a record.

DIEMER: Yes, it is. I thought the visit yesterday was interesting, though, because that was a straight-ahead campaign visit. That was meat and potatoes campaigning. There was no pretense about it. He took his suit coat off, got on the bus and rolled through western Ohio, far away from Canton actually. They were concentrating on another part of the state.

But, you know, the basic raw campaigning nature of it this early is kind of interesting.

COSTELLO: Very interesting. The president really does seem to like Toledo a lot in northwest Ohio. It's a city that economically depressed and mostly Democratic. Does visiting a city or a state time and time and time again really help a candidate to become sort of a de facto neighbor?

DIEMER: Well, it does help. He's not going to win the city of Toledo; however, outside of Toledo in northwestern Ohio, those flat plains, those farmlands, they're very Republican. And northwestern Ohio taken as a whole, similar to Canton and Stark County, is a pretty good predictor of where the state is going.

But what you get with a candidate visit to a place like Toledo or Dayton or Cincinnati, the insiders will tell you, it moves numbers five, six points. The candidate visit, the candidate on the ground, really causes those poll numbers to take a little spike.

Now, you might say, well, so what? This early in the campaign why would you worry about that kind of fluctuation? And I think that rolls into a second point here and the reason for the visit. Kerry was in Ohio last week. So, what has Bush done? He comes this week. He's not going to let Kerry have the last word or have the stage for long.

COSTELLO: Oh, but you can bet Kerry will be back. Kerry has been there himself six times.

DIEMER: Oh, sure.

COSTELLO: And how many more times do you think he'll visit the great state of Ohio?

DIEMER: Oh, I think he'll be there a dozen times or more before it's over. It's Ohio and Missouri. Those are the two states that people are looking at. If Al Gore had won Ohio four years ago, he wouldn't have been worrying about Florida. If he had stayed in Ohio, he might, might have won Ohio, but he pulled out.

COSTELLO: You know, just a little interesting fact that we found out, President Bush's bus was actually made in Canada.

DIEMER: Yes.

COSTELLO: And it went through Toledo, where Jeeps are made.

DIEMER: Yes. That's right. The whole state of Ohio is a big auto state, second only to Michigan and the big auto parts state, and Jeeps are -- in Ohio, the Jeeps have stickers on the back, "Made in Ohio by Ohioans." Now, how many people actually knew or cared that the bus was made in Canada is questionable, but that is an interesting factoid, isn't it?

COSTELLO: It is, especially for John Kerry. So, maybe when he goes back, he'll bring that up. I don't know.

DIEMER: They bring everything up. There is no stone left unturned.

COSTELLO: Tim Diemer, thanks for joining us from the Cleveland "Plain Dealer" joining us live from our Washington bureau.

DIEMER: Thank you, Carol. Now back to Iraq, where we have been telling you about an anti- American rally outside of that notorious prison near Baghdad. The protest is now over.

Our Ben Wedeman was there. He watched the demonstration. He joins us live from Baghdad to tell us more.

Hello -- Ben.

BEN WEDEMAN, CNN CAIRO BUREAU CHIEF: Yes, Carol, this demonstration, as you said, is over. It had several hundred people who marched toward the front of the Abu Ghraib prison, where relatives normally wait for a chance to visit people inside. They were calling for those soldiers involved in these alleged incidents of abuse to be punished. They want Iraqi human rights organizations to have full access to the prison.

A small group of religious leaders who were at the head of this demonstration did speak to officials from the prison. And afterwards, though, they said that despite the fact that they were able to air their grievances, they don't have a lot of trust in the United States, the U.S.-led coalition, to make good on its promises to try to clean up the prison.

Now, we've heard from Major General Geoffrey Miller, who has been put in charge of the prison, that he's going to change some of the methods of interrogation, reduce overcrowding. But for the Iraqis in the crowd, it just didn't seem like enough; that what they really want is for the United States to relinquish control altogether of that prison and free as many people as possible from there -- Carol.

COSTELLO: Ben Wedeman live in Baghdad this morning.

The chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee says to expect hearings on prisoner abuse. Republican Senator John Warner also says he wants Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld to testify.

In the meantime, the Senate Intelligence Committee holds closed- door hearings today on what role intelligence agents played in prison -- played in this prison scandal, I should say. Senators on both sides of the aisle agree there's a problem.

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SEN. JEFF SESSIONS (R), ALABAMA: We've got a real problem. It's a clear problem of public relations, particularly for the people of Iraq, and it's a clear violation of the standards we expect of our military. I have to say the military moved promptly, a single soldier complained, and a general was put on the case to investigate it immediately, and he produced this report.

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COSTELLO: Coming up on "AMERICAN MORNING," Senate Intelligence Committee member Dianne Feinstein will talk about today's hearings and the Senate's take on the abuse investigation. That will come your way at 8:00 a.m. Eastern.

Still to come on DAYBREAK, a president's memoirs. What will be in it? What will be left out? And who does Bill Clinton point a finger at in his new book?

And then, the eyes of the world are looking up at this man.

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COSTELLO: Welcome back to DAYBREAK. It is time to pump up the volume with our hot "Talker" of the morning. Every few days, we like to tune the radio dial to see what's being said over the airwaves. This morning, the dial has landed on News Radio WTOP Radio in Washington, D.C., Judlyne Lilly, an anchor reporter that.

Good morning, Judlyne.

JUDLYNE LILLY, WTOP ANCHOR: Good morning, Carol. How are you?

COSTELLO: I'm fine. Let's talk about Bill Clinton's book. It's supposed to be out soon.

LILLY: Yes. In late June it's expected to come out. And there's already little peeks as to what he's actually going to say in the book in an article out of "Vanity Fair."

It's interesting that it comes out now, because it's just around 10 years ago this week, this is the lawsuit that was filed by Paula Jones. She's the one alleging sexual harassment of him. And so the "Vanity Fair" article, of course, is talking about what the president will say in his memoir, which is called, "My Life."

Apparently, it's going to settle a few scores, and he's going to tell the truth, according to what, but, you know, from the eye of the beholder.

COSTELLO: I want to read something to you that I found, well, interesting. This is a quote from "Vanity Fair": "Former President Bill Clinton's memoir, 'My Life,' will settle some scores starting with the supine press."

And "supine," I had to look up the definition, means lying in a face-up position. What exactly does he mean by that, do you think?

LILLY: I guess, to your face. I suppose that's what he's talking about, because, like I said...

COSTELLO: So, he's going to blame the media?

LILLY: He's blaming the media, but, you know, you haven't seen much of Clinton lately, except when the 9/11 Commission came out. So, he says he's working night and day on this book to finish it. And apparently, he may be trying to beat his wife in selling the number of copies in record time, because, you know, she sold "Living History" a million copies in record time...

COSTELLO: Boy, did she ever.

LILLY: ... and making some people eat their shoes.

COSTELLO: That's right. I think that would be an employee of CNN named Tucker Carlson.

LILLY: Yes!

COSTELLO: She was quite nice about that, though.

LILLY: Yes.

COSTELLO: Another question for you, because a lot of people have said that this will take attention off of John Kerry; that President Bush (sic) is releasing this book.

LILLY: President Clinton is releasing the book, yes. You know, that's interesting you should say that. The people around here in the Washington area, there is so much going on that there are many things that could take people's minds off of Kerry. As they say, most people, most voters don't pay attention to the election until the fall.

So, if we're not hearing anything about Kerry in the fall, than that might be a problem.

COSTELLO: That's right. That's why everyone is eager, at least the Democrats, that Bill Clinton's book come out on time in June. Judlyne Lilly from WTOP Radio in Washington, D.C.

Your news, money, weather and sports. It is 6:43 Eastern Time. Here's what's all new this morning.

About 300 Iraqis gathered for an anti-American demonstration outside of the Abu Ghraib prison. Some of the protest leaders met with American military officials at the prison.

Appearing on "LARRY KING LIVE," Secretary of State Colin Powell says he was surprised by the level of resistance to coalition forces in Iraq. Powell also says he's shocked by the abuse of Iraqi prisoners.

In money news, two consumer groups plan to release a report saying 66 percent of Americans want their cable channels on an a la carte basis. That is only paying for the channels they want. Industry officials oppose such a plan.

In sports, the Miami Heat beat the New Orleans Hornets 85-77 in game seven of the playoff series. The Heat move on to round two against the Indiana Pacers.

In culture, a company led by former Vice President Al Gore has bought a 24-hour TV network. It's News World International, which Gore says will not become a political network.

(WEATHER BREAK) COSTELLO: Those are the latest headlines for you.

Now we want to head live to New York to check in with Bill and Heidi, who is in for Soledad.

Good morning.

BILL HEMMER, CNN ANCHOR: Good morning, Carol.

HEIDI COLLINS, CNN ANCHOR: Good morning, Carol.

HEMMER: A lot more on what's happening out of Iraq today. Suzanne Malveaux is at the White House. The president is going to give those interviews in about three hours from now.

Also, Ben Wedeman is taking that tour of the Abu Ghraib prison. We'll talk to Ben also about what he found inside. The prison population is cut in half now at that place.

COLLINS: We're also going to be learning more about Thomas Hamill. He will hopefully be reunited with his wife, Kellie, today. A very, very exciting time. We have Chris Burns standing by in Landstuhl, Germany, to tell us more about that.

HEMMER: Also to California and the wildfires again. Chad has been talking about this and warning us for many, many weeks now, and you're going to speak with someone today to find out what's happening.

COLLINS: Yes, to find out if they're going to be able to get enough fire resources to actually battle these blazes that are just spreading like wildfire (UNINTELLIGIBLE).

HEMMER: All right. OK, we'll have it for you at the top of the hour. Jack, too, along here in about 13 minutes, Carol. See you then.

COSTELLO: And we actually just got word that Thomas Hamill has been reunited with his wife.

COLLINS: Oh, great!

HEMMER: Yes.

COSTELLO: She's going to cook him a great meal, some steak and some chocolate cake.

HEMMER: And she brought him a red t-shirt, his favorite t-shirt.

COLLINS: And cowboy boots, right?

COSTELLO: Exactly. Exactly.

HEMMER: To make him feel comfortable.

COSTELLO: All right, thanks to you, both. We'll see you in about 10 minutes. Before you pour that bowl of low-fat cereal and put skim milk over it this morning, stick around to hear how milk, the full-powered kind, may actually be helpful for people trying to lose weight.

Plus, school's in for one hard rocker. We'll be back.

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COSTELLO: Chad keeps yawning. I don't understand it.

CHAD MYERS, CNN METEOROLOGIST: Sorry.

COSTELLO: Wake up for goodness sakes!

MYERS: (UNINTELLIGIBLE) to pass it on.

COSTELLO: Calcium is important to protect our bones. That much we know. But can food and drink, like milk and even ice cream, help you lose weight? Gosh, I hope so.

Joining us now with more is our nutritionist, Lisa Drayer.

So, tell us about this new research that is out?

LISA DRAYER, REGISTERED DIETICIAN: Yes, Carol, that's right. In this study published in this month's "Obesity Research," all individuals were told to consume 500 fewer calories as compared to what they were previously consuming.

But those who consumed three to four servings of dairy foods per day as part of their diet, including milk, yogurt and full-fat cheese, lost about 24 pounds over a period of about six months, or 11 percent of their body weight. And that those who cut back calories but took a calcium supplement of 800 milligrams of calcium lost 19 pounds, or 9 percent of their body weight. And those who cut back calories but consumed a diet low in calcium, only 400 milligrams, lost 15 pounds, or about 6 percent of their body weight. That's about half of what the high dairy group lost.

COSTELLO: You know, I just know the dairy industry is involved in this study for some reason.

DRAYER: Yes, you're absolutely right. The National Dairy Council did help to fund this study. We do what to point that out.

Also, Carol, if we look at the numbers very carefully, this study was very small. Only 32 obese individuals were looked at in this study. Also, the high-dairy group only lost a pound a week. Now, you might expect that if dairy had a benefit above and beyond calorie restriction that we might see a loss of greater (AUDIO GAP). The high-dairy group, Carol, was consuming 1,200 milligrams of calcium. That's about what we should be getting on a daily basis for bone health.

Now, I spoke to Dr. Zemel. He's the lead author and also the author of "The Calcium Key," and he says that there's a plateau effect once you get 1,000 milligrams of calcium in your diet. So, if you're already consuming what you should be in terms of calcium to protect your bones, you might not necessarily see a greater weight loss.

COSTELLO: OK, so...

DRAYER: That is if you're already cutting back on calories.

COSTELLO: So, what's the bottom line here? Should we up our dairy intake, or is this study just something we should take note of, but pass by?

DRAYER: Right. Well, you do want to get dairy in your diet, and considering that 90 percent of women don't get enough calcium in their diet, this new theory might provide an incentive to consume more dairy. But you do want to go for low-fat dairy; for example, skim milk, low-fat milk, low-fat or fat-free yogurts, reduced-fat cheese. You do what to consume that on a daily basis in order to reach the 1,000 to 1,200 milligrams. Avoid whole milk and ice cream. This is a rich source of calories and saturated fat, the fat that boosts the LDL cholesterol levels.

And also, be careful of some of these weight loss claims that sound too good to be true. As I mentioned, if we look at those numbers, the high-dairy group was consuming what we should be getting anyway in our diet in terms of our calcium needs. So, just be careful of that as the summer approaches and we'll probably see more of these weight loss claims.

COSTELLO: OK, Lisa. You know, someday we're going to have to have a debate about the Atkins diet, because me and Chad here, we're fighting about it every morning. He loves it; I don't. But we'll do that at another time, Chad.

DRAYER: I know.

MYERS: Maybe these people have lost weight because they're eating cheese or milk, the dairy products, and there's no (UNINTELLIGIBLE) in there.

COSTELLO: I knew (UNINTELLIGIBLE) that for Atkins diet. I'm telling you, we're going to debate this one morning. I'm going to bring in some nutritionists.

MYERS: Fine.

COSTELLO: You can debate them.

MYERS: I'll bring in some cheese.

Hey, if you want to win this coffee mug right here, now is the time. Two questions you have to answer, both of them, please.

What number of troops does the Pentagon expect to keep in Iraq through 2005?

And, what film is Disney blocking Miramax from distributing? We'll name the winner tomorrow morning. Daybreak@CNN.com.

COSTELLO: You know, that -- Daybreak@CNN.com. That's my favorite cup.

MYERS: It is. It's a great cup.

COSTELLO: Isn't it?

MYERS: Yes.

COSTELLO: It's very elegant.

MYERS: Vanna (ph).

COSTELLO: He's so mad at me. I can tell.

MYERS: I'm not mad at you.

COSTELLO: You're mad at me.

MYERS: She just doesn't get it.

COSTELLO: Chad will join me for "The Lightning Round" coming up, but first the latest headlines for you.

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COSTELLO: Did you see Ann B. Davis? She's 78.

MYERS: Yes.

COSTELLO: She's in a new commercial.

MYERS: Oh, right.

COSTELLO: Oh, it's great. She's jumping off a diving board, loving it.

MYERS: Good.

COSTELLO: It is time for our "Lightning Round," so let's get to it.

MYERS: Ready.

COSTELLO: A total eclipse of the moon, Chad.

MYERS: Yes.

COSTELLO: Take a -- oh, you can't see -- oh, there it is. You can see it. You couldn't see it in the states, however. Lunar lovers in the east of England had the best view, and this is where the sun and the Earth and moon align.

MYERS: They do. COSTELLO: Did I get that right?

MYERS: Yes, the Earth gets in the way of the sunlight, so the sun does not shine on the moon. It's called a lunar eclipse.

COSTELLO: (UNINTELLIGIBLE). How about these, Chad? Bear-proof trash cans? It does sound like an impossible feat.

MYERS: I was going to say. It sounds like a challenge to me.

COSTELLO: They're testing these trash cans. They weigh like 400 pounds. They were actually made by jail inmates. But the bears weigh 900 pounds. So who knows? These are being put to the test in Montana to protect the people there.

Eight feet, four inches tall, and still growing. Take a look at that guy.

MYERS: Oh, my!

COSTELLO: He's 33 years old. He is now the tallest living man. He had a brain operation at the age of 14 that stimulated his pituitary gland and prompted his extreme growth. So there you have it.

MYERS: Wow! Look at those shoes.

COSTELLO: School's almost out for summer, and Alice Cooper will receive an honorary degree from Grand Canyon University at Saturday's commencement ceremony. Congratulations, Mr. Cooper.

MYERS: You bet.

COSTELLO: "AMERICAN MORNING" starts right now. You make it a great day.

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Aired May 5, 2004 - 06:30   ET
THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.
CAROL COSTELLO, CNN ANCHOR: Our Judy Woodruff has been in Ohio a lot herself. She's talked to voters in Stark County, where manufacturing jobs continue to dry up.
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JUDY WOODRUFF, CNN ANCHOR (voice-over): Stark County, Ohio, is the kind of place where flags fly everywhere, but all too often, next to "for sale" signs.

FRED HANNON, STEELWORKER: There's been so many plants closed and people out of work around here right now that there's a lot of uneasiness going on.

WOODRUFF: When this factory shut down two years ago, its jobs went overseas, some of the 3,500 jobs lost here since President Bush narrowly won the county in 2000. It is the issue Stark County Republicans and Democrats agree will be the key to November.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Unemployment, the economy, the economy, the economy. That's what it is here.

JANET WEIR CREIGHTON (R), CANTON, OHIO MAYOR: Jobs, I believe, are at the top of everybody's agenda, because that's what puts the bread and butter on our tables.

WOODRUFF: Voters here say they are looking for answers.

T.J. MCCARTHY, CANTON RESIDENT: I think that's going to be a big issue. What can the president, what can Congress do to help get this part of the country back on an even keel and get the factories moving again, get work going again in places that aren't working?

WOODRUFF: A vacant shopping center, the parking lot now used mainly for softball practice. Despite the economic problems, this team backs the president.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He's kept us safe at the home front right now, and he's eliminated a lot of the terrorist attacks that we've had in our country since 9/11.

WOODRUFF: The war is front-page news here, but the economy is never far from mind, pushing this voter to John Kerry.

CHRIS MCHENRY, NORTH CANTON RESIDENT: No jobs are available anymore. It's either working at fast food or grocery stores or, like, retail jobs. That's it. That's it. All of the rest of your good- paying jobs are gone.

WOODRUFF: Stark County has picked the winner in every presidential election but one in the last century.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's reflective of the rest of the nation. It's reflective in the fact that, you know, we have all of the issues that are everywhere.

WOODRUFF: It's such a bellwether, that when Canton's mayor was elected last fall, her first phone call was from Karl Rove, the president's political adviser.

CREIGHTON: Our makeup here in this county, our Independents far overwhelm our Republican and Democratic base. So you really have the big middle. I mean, that's what we're trying to attract.

WOODRUFF: Judy Woodruff, CNN, reporting.

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COSTELLO: And let's talk more about this important swing state in the 2004 election. No one has won the presidency without winning Ohio, so let's head live to our Washington bureau and the Cleveland "Plain Dealer" political reporter, Tom Diemer.

Good morning, Tom.

TOM DIEMER, CLEVELAND "PLAIN DEALER": Good morning, Carol.

COSTELLO: Full disclosure. I was born in Canton, and my family is there. So...

DIEMER: Oh, that's why they did the Canton piece.

COSTELLO: It's very important, though, you have to admit.

DIEMER: I agree with it, yes.

COSTELLO: Exactly. Sixteen visits by President Bush to Ohio so far. That's got to be a record.

DIEMER: Yes, it is. I thought the visit yesterday was interesting, though, because that was a straight-ahead campaign visit. That was meat and potatoes campaigning. There was no pretense about it. He took his suit coat off, got on the bus and rolled through western Ohio, far away from Canton actually. They were concentrating on another part of the state.

But, you know, the basic raw campaigning nature of it this early is kind of interesting.

COSTELLO: Very interesting. The president really does seem to like Toledo a lot in northwest Ohio. It's a city that economically depressed and mostly Democratic. Does visiting a city or a state time and time and time again really help a candidate to become sort of a de facto neighbor?

DIEMER: Well, it does help. He's not going to win the city of Toledo; however, outside of Toledo in northwestern Ohio, those flat plains, those farmlands, they're very Republican. And northwestern Ohio taken as a whole, similar to Canton and Stark County, is a pretty good predictor of where the state is going.

But what you get with a candidate visit to a place like Toledo or Dayton or Cincinnati, the insiders will tell you, it moves numbers five, six points. The candidate visit, the candidate on the ground, really causes those poll numbers to take a little spike.

Now, you might say, well, so what? This early in the campaign why would you worry about that kind of fluctuation? And I think that rolls into a second point here and the reason for the visit. Kerry was in Ohio last week. So, what has Bush done? He comes this week. He's not going to let Kerry have the last word or have the stage for long.

COSTELLO: Oh, but you can bet Kerry will be back. Kerry has been there himself six times.

DIEMER: Oh, sure.

COSTELLO: And how many more times do you think he'll visit the great state of Ohio?

DIEMER: Oh, I think he'll be there a dozen times or more before it's over. It's Ohio and Missouri. Those are the two states that people are looking at. If Al Gore had won Ohio four years ago, he wouldn't have been worrying about Florida. If he had stayed in Ohio, he might, might have won Ohio, but he pulled out.

COSTELLO: You know, just a little interesting fact that we found out, President Bush's bus was actually made in Canada.

DIEMER: Yes.

COSTELLO: And it went through Toledo, where Jeeps are made.

DIEMER: Yes. That's right. The whole state of Ohio is a big auto state, second only to Michigan and the big auto parts state, and Jeeps are -- in Ohio, the Jeeps have stickers on the back, "Made in Ohio by Ohioans." Now, how many people actually knew or cared that the bus was made in Canada is questionable, but that is an interesting factoid, isn't it?

COSTELLO: It is, especially for John Kerry. So, maybe when he goes back, he'll bring that up. I don't know.

DIEMER: They bring everything up. There is no stone left unturned.

COSTELLO: Tim Diemer, thanks for joining us from the Cleveland "Plain Dealer" joining us live from our Washington bureau.

DIEMER: Thank you, Carol. Now back to Iraq, where we have been telling you about an anti- American rally outside of that notorious prison near Baghdad. The protest is now over.

Our Ben Wedeman was there. He watched the demonstration. He joins us live from Baghdad to tell us more.

Hello -- Ben.

BEN WEDEMAN, CNN CAIRO BUREAU CHIEF: Yes, Carol, this demonstration, as you said, is over. It had several hundred people who marched toward the front of the Abu Ghraib prison, where relatives normally wait for a chance to visit people inside. They were calling for those soldiers involved in these alleged incidents of abuse to be punished. They want Iraqi human rights organizations to have full access to the prison.

A small group of religious leaders who were at the head of this demonstration did speak to officials from the prison. And afterwards, though, they said that despite the fact that they were able to air their grievances, they don't have a lot of trust in the United States, the U.S.-led coalition, to make good on its promises to try to clean up the prison.

Now, we've heard from Major General Geoffrey Miller, who has been put in charge of the prison, that he's going to change some of the methods of interrogation, reduce overcrowding. But for the Iraqis in the crowd, it just didn't seem like enough; that what they really want is for the United States to relinquish control altogether of that prison and free as many people as possible from there -- Carol.

COSTELLO: Ben Wedeman live in Baghdad this morning.

The chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee says to expect hearings on prisoner abuse. Republican Senator John Warner also says he wants Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld to testify.

In the meantime, the Senate Intelligence Committee holds closed- door hearings today on what role intelligence agents played in prison -- played in this prison scandal, I should say. Senators on both sides of the aisle agree there's a problem.

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SEN. JEFF SESSIONS (R), ALABAMA: We've got a real problem. It's a clear problem of public relations, particularly for the people of Iraq, and it's a clear violation of the standards we expect of our military. I have to say the military moved promptly, a single soldier complained, and a general was put on the case to investigate it immediately, and he produced this report.

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COSTELLO: Coming up on "AMERICAN MORNING," Senate Intelligence Committee member Dianne Feinstein will talk about today's hearings and the Senate's take on the abuse investigation. That will come your way at 8:00 a.m. Eastern.

Still to come on DAYBREAK, a president's memoirs. What will be in it? What will be left out? And who does Bill Clinton point a finger at in his new book?

And then, the eyes of the world are looking up at this man.

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COSTELLO: Welcome back to DAYBREAK. It is time to pump up the volume with our hot "Talker" of the morning. Every few days, we like to tune the radio dial to see what's being said over the airwaves. This morning, the dial has landed on News Radio WTOP Radio in Washington, D.C., Judlyne Lilly, an anchor reporter that.

Good morning, Judlyne.

JUDLYNE LILLY, WTOP ANCHOR: Good morning, Carol. How are you?

COSTELLO: I'm fine. Let's talk about Bill Clinton's book. It's supposed to be out soon.

LILLY: Yes. In late June it's expected to come out. And there's already little peeks as to what he's actually going to say in the book in an article out of "Vanity Fair."

It's interesting that it comes out now, because it's just around 10 years ago this week, this is the lawsuit that was filed by Paula Jones. She's the one alleging sexual harassment of him. And so the "Vanity Fair" article, of course, is talking about what the president will say in his memoir, which is called, "My Life."

Apparently, it's going to settle a few scores, and he's going to tell the truth, according to what, but, you know, from the eye of the beholder.

COSTELLO: I want to read something to you that I found, well, interesting. This is a quote from "Vanity Fair": "Former President Bill Clinton's memoir, 'My Life,' will settle some scores starting with the supine press."

And "supine," I had to look up the definition, means lying in a face-up position. What exactly does he mean by that, do you think?

LILLY: I guess, to your face. I suppose that's what he's talking about, because, like I said...

COSTELLO: So, he's going to blame the media?

LILLY: He's blaming the media, but, you know, you haven't seen much of Clinton lately, except when the 9/11 Commission came out. So, he says he's working night and day on this book to finish it. And apparently, he may be trying to beat his wife in selling the number of copies in record time, because, you know, she sold "Living History" a million copies in record time...

COSTELLO: Boy, did she ever.

LILLY: ... and making some people eat their shoes.

COSTELLO: That's right. I think that would be an employee of CNN named Tucker Carlson.

LILLY: Yes!

COSTELLO: She was quite nice about that, though.

LILLY: Yes.

COSTELLO: Another question for you, because a lot of people have said that this will take attention off of John Kerry; that President Bush (sic) is releasing this book.

LILLY: President Clinton is releasing the book, yes. You know, that's interesting you should say that. The people around here in the Washington area, there is so much going on that there are many things that could take people's minds off of Kerry. As they say, most people, most voters don't pay attention to the election until the fall.

So, if we're not hearing anything about Kerry in the fall, than that might be a problem.

COSTELLO: That's right. That's why everyone is eager, at least the Democrats, that Bill Clinton's book come out on time in June. Judlyne Lilly from WTOP Radio in Washington, D.C.

Your news, money, weather and sports. It is 6:43 Eastern Time. Here's what's all new this morning.

About 300 Iraqis gathered for an anti-American demonstration outside of the Abu Ghraib prison. Some of the protest leaders met with American military officials at the prison.

Appearing on "LARRY KING LIVE," Secretary of State Colin Powell says he was surprised by the level of resistance to coalition forces in Iraq. Powell also says he's shocked by the abuse of Iraqi prisoners.

In money news, two consumer groups plan to release a report saying 66 percent of Americans want their cable channels on an a la carte basis. That is only paying for the channels they want. Industry officials oppose such a plan.

In sports, the Miami Heat beat the New Orleans Hornets 85-77 in game seven of the playoff series. The Heat move on to round two against the Indiana Pacers.

In culture, a company led by former Vice President Al Gore has bought a 24-hour TV network. It's News World International, which Gore says will not become a political network.

(WEATHER BREAK) COSTELLO: Those are the latest headlines for you.

Now we want to head live to New York to check in with Bill and Heidi, who is in for Soledad.

Good morning.

BILL HEMMER, CNN ANCHOR: Good morning, Carol.

HEIDI COLLINS, CNN ANCHOR: Good morning, Carol.

HEMMER: A lot more on what's happening out of Iraq today. Suzanne Malveaux is at the White House. The president is going to give those interviews in about three hours from now.

Also, Ben Wedeman is taking that tour of the Abu Ghraib prison. We'll talk to Ben also about what he found inside. The prison population is cut in half now at that place.

COLLINS: We're also going to be learning more about Thomas Hamill. He will hopefully be reunited with his wife, Kellie, today. A very, very exciting time. We have Chris Burns standing by in Landstuhl, Germany, to tell us more about that.

HEMMER: Also to California and the wildfires again. Chad has been talking about this and warning us for many, many weeks now, and you're going to speak with someone today to find out what's happening.

COLLINS: Yes, to find out if they're going to be able to get enough fire resources to actually battle these blazes that are just spreading like wildfire (UNINTELLIGIBLE).

HEMMER: All right. OK, we'll have it for you at the top of the hour. Jack, too, along here in about 13 minutes, Carol. See you then.

COSTELLO: And we actually just got word that Thomas Hamill has been reunited with his wife.

COLLINS: Oh, great!

HEMMER: Yes.

COSTELLO: She's going to cook him a great meal, some steak and some chocolate cake.

HEMMER: And she brought him a red t-shirt, his favorite t-shirt.

COLLINS: And cowboy boots, right?

COSTELLO: Exactly. Exactly.

HEMMER: To make him feel comfortable.

COSTELLO: All right, thanks to you, both. We'll see you in about 10 minutes. Before you pour that bowl of low-fat cereal and put skim milk over it this morning, stick around to hear how milk, the full-powered kind, may actually be helpful for people trying to lose weight.

Plus, school's in for one hard rocker. We'll be back.

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COSTELLO: Chad keeps yawning. I don't understand it.

CHAD MYERS, CNN METEOROLOGIST: Sorry.

COSTELLO: Wake up for goodness sakes!

MYERS: (UNINTELLIGIBLE) to pass it on.

COSTELLO: Calcium is important to protect our bones. That much we know. But can food and drink, like milk and even ice cream, help you lose weight? Gosh, I hope so.

Joining us now with more is our nutritionist, Lisa Drayer.

So, tell us about this new research that is out?

LISA DRAYER, REGISTERED DIETICIAN: Yes, Carol, that's right. In this study published in this month's "Obesity Research," all individuals were told to consume 500 fewer calories as compared to what they were previously consuming.

But those who consumed three to four servings of dairy foods per day as part of their diet, including milk, yogurt and full-fat cheese, lost about 24 pounds over a period of about six months, or 11 percent of their body weight. And that those who cut back calories but took a calcium supplement of 800 milligrams of calcium lost 19 pounds, or 9 percent of their body weight. And those who cut back calories but consumed a diet low in calcium, only 400 milligrams, lost 15 pounds, or about 6 percent of their body weight. That's about half of what the high dairy group lost.

COSTELLO: You know, I just know the dairy industry is involved in this study for some reason.

DRAYER: Yes, you're absolutely right. The National Dairy Council did help to fund this study. We do what to point that out.

Also, Carol, if we look at the numbers very carefully, this study was very small. Only 32 obese individuals were looked at in this study. Also, the high-dairy group only lost a pound a week. Now, you might expect that if dairy had a benefit above and beyond calorie restriction that we might see a loss of greater (AUDIO GAP). The high-dairy group, Carol, was consuming 1,200 milligrams of calcium. That's about what we should be getting on a daily basis for bone health.

Now, I spoke to Dr. Zemel. He's the lead author and also the author of "The Calcium Key," and he says that there's a plateau effect once you get 1,000 milligrams of calcium in your diet. So, if you're already consuming what you should be in terms of calcium to protect your bones, you might not necessarily see a greater weight loss.

COSTELLO: OK, so...

DRAYER: That is if you're already cutting back on calories.

COSTELLO: So, what's the bottom line here? Should we up our dairy intake, or is this study just something we should take note of, but pass by?

DRAYER: Right. Well, you do want to get dairy in your diet, and considering that 90 percent of women don't get enough calcium in their diet, this new theory might provide an incentive to consume more dairy. But you do want to go for low-fat dairy; for example, skim milk, low-fat milk, low-fat or fat-free yogurts, reduced-fat cheese. You do what to consume that on a daily basis in order to reach the 1,000 to 1,200 milligrams. Avoid whole milk and ice cream. This is a rich source of calories and saturated fat, the fat that boosts the LDL cholesterol levels.

And also, be careful of some of these weight loss claims that sound too good to be true. As I mentioned, if we look at those numbers, the high-dairy group was consuming what we should be getting anyway in our diet in terms of our calcium needs. So, just be careful of that as the summer approaches and we'll probably see more of these weight loss claims.

COSTELLO: OK, Lisa. You know, someday we're going to have to have a debate about the Atkins diet, because me and Chad here, we're fighting about it every morning. He loves it; I don't. But we'll do that at another time, Chad.

DRAYER: I know.

MYERS: Maybe these people have lost weight because they're eating cheese or milk, the dairy products, and there's no (UNINTELLIGIBLE) in there.

COSTELLO: I knew (UNINTELLIGIBLE) that for Atkins diet. I'm telling you, we're going to debate this one morning. I'm going to bring in some nutritionists.

MYERS: Fine.

COSTELLO: You can debate them.

MYERS: I'll bring in some cheese.

Hey, if you want to win this coffee mug right here, now is the time. Two questions you have to answer, both of them, please.

What number of troops does the Pentagon expect to keep in Iraq through 2005?

And, what film is Disney blocking Miramax from distributing? We'll name the winner tomorrow morning. Daybreak@CNN.com.

COSTELLO: You know, that -- Daybreak@CNN.com. That's my favorite cup.

MYERS: It is. It's a great cup.

COSTELLO: Isn't it?

MYERS: Yes.

COSTELLO: It's very elegant.

MYERS: Vanna (ph).

COSTELLO: He's so mad at me. I can tell.

MYERS: I'm not mad at you.

COSTELLO: You're mad at me.

MYERS: She just doesn't get it.

COSTELLO: Chad will join me for "The Lightning Round" coming up, but first the latest headlines for you.

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COSTELLO: Did you see Ann B. Davis? She's 78.

MYERS: Yes.

COSTELLO: She's in a new commercial.

MYERS: Oh, right.

COSTELLO: Oh, it's great. She's jumping off a diving board, loving it.

MYERS: Good.

COSTELLO: It is time for our "Lightning Round," so let's get to it.

MYERS: Ready.

COSTELLO: A total eclipse of the moon, Chad.

MYERS: Yes.

COSTELLO: Take a -- oh, you can't see -- oh, there it is. You can see it. You couldn't see it in the states, however. Lunar lovers in the east of England had the best view, and this is where the sun and the Earth and moon align.

MYERS: They do. COSTELLO: Did I get that right?

MYERS: Yes, the Earth gets in the way of the sunlight, so the sun does not shine on the moon. It's called a lunar eclipse.

COSTELLO: (UNINTELLIGIBLE). How about these, Chad? Bear-proof trash cans? It does sound like an impossible feat.

MYERS: I was going to say. It sounds like a challenge to me.

COSTELLO: They're testing these trash cans. They weigh like 400 pounds. They were actually made by jail inmates. But the bears weigh 900 pounds. So who knows? These are being put to the test in Montana to protect the people there.

Eight feet, four inches tall, and still growing. Take a look at that guy.

MYERS: Oh, my!

COSTELLO: He's 33 years old. He is now the tallest living man. He had a brain operation at the age of 14 that stimulated his pituitary gland and prompted his extreme growth. So there you have it.

MYERS: Wow! Look at those shoes.

COSTELLO: School's almost out for summer, and Alice Cooper will receive an honorary degree from Grand Canyon University at Saturday's commencement ceremony. Congratulations, Mr. Cooper.

MYERS: You bet.

COSTELLO: "AMERICAN MORNING" starts right now. You make it a great day.

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