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Bush Courts Europe; New Iraqi Prime Minister Addresses Nation
Aired June 4, 2004 - 19:00 ET
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ANDERSON COOPER, CNN ANCHOR: Good evening I'm Anderson Cooper.
The Freedom Fries have hit the pan, but can President Bush make old allies into friends again?
"360" starts right now.
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COOPER (voice-over): The president courts Europe, popes and prime ministers. But thousands of protesters say Bush goes home.
Another first for Iraq. A national address by the new prime minister. He vowed to fight for Iraqi sovereignty and fight insurgents as well.
Few tears for Tenet and harsh CIA report cards on the way. Is the firestorm just beginning for the besieged spy boss?
An alleged gang rape caught on tape. A mistrial is denied. Now will three teens take the stand and defend themselves?
And is your animal trying to tell you something? We'll put a pet psychic and my dog to the test.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Live from the CNN center in New York, this is ANDERSON COOPER, 360.
COOPER: Good evening. We begin tonight with the president in Europe. And what a difference a year makes. President Bush is there to commemorate the 60-anniversary of D-Day. But it's the current war in Iraq and much of Europe's opposition to it that's front and center on the agenda. Today the president met with the pope, he also met with the Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi. And like their greeting, the president's diplomatic dance appeared a big awkward at Times; mending fences never easy.
On the streets of Rome, hundreds of thousands demonstrated against the president, against the war. As we said, mending fences is never easy.
Senior White House correspondent John King is there.
(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE) JOHN KING, CNN SENIOR WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT (VOICE-OVER): At the Vatican, the aging pope's speech was halting, at times slurred. But his message to the president clear. John Paul II spoke of grave unrest in Iraq, called the Vatican's opposition to the war unequivocal, and labeled the abuse of Iraqi prisoners deplorable. Neither war nor terrorism will ever be overcome, the pope told Mr. Bush, without an end to such abuses and a universal commitment to human rights.
But there were words the president and his delegation found encouraging. The Holy Father called for the speedy return of Iraq's sovereignty. And said this week's appointment of an interim government an encouraging step.
At this public session, Mr. Bush presented the pope with a Presidential Medal of Freedom and steered clear of controversy.
GEORGE W. BUSH, PRESIDENT, UNITED STATES OF AMERICA: We appreciate the strong symbol of freedom that you have stood for. And we recognize the power of freedom to change societies and to change the world.
KING: In a private meeting in the pope's study, aides say Mr. Bush defended the war and promised a promised a vigorous investigation of the prisoner abuses.
Opposition to the Iraq War runs deep here in Italy and across Europe, and the president's visit generated boisterous protests...
KING: ... and a massive deployment of police in central Rome, but the demonstrations were overwhelmingly peaceful.
France is the president's next stop. And strained would be an understatement in describing recent relations between Mr. Bush and President Jacques Chirac, an outspoken Iraq War critic.
(on camera): Mr. Bush said he considers Chirac a friend, and looks forward to cooperation with Paris now on a new United Nations resolution, endorsing Iraq's political transition. Asked by a Paris magazine if Mr. Chirac is worthy of an invitation to Crawford, Texas, the president did not specifically mention his ranch there. Bush said, "If he wants to see some cows, he's welcome."
John King, CNN, Rome.
COOPER: We're going to have more on trying to mend fences later on in the program.
Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld is on the move as well. For his part, tomorrow he'll deliver a speech in Singapore to the annual meeting of defense ministers from Asian and Pacific countries. In an exclusive interview with CNN's Maria Ressa aboard the USS Essex, Rumsfeld said he's thinks al Qaeda is likely increase attacks in Iraq in the next several weeks. He also said criticism of U.S. involvement there can be at least partially blamed on the media.
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DONALD RUMSFELD, SECRETARY OF DEFENSE: Well, you know, it's probably the first war we've had, where the -- we've had to live with 24-hour news, seven days a week. And you know we're celebrating the 60-anniversary of Normandy this week. If you think of trying to conduct the Normandy Invasion with 24-hour news, seven days a week, with all the critics in the world watching what was happening, seeing the gliders land in the wrong place, seeing people be killed, seeing the troops stuck at the bottom of Pointe De Hawk, they would have been just blaming General Eisenhower to a fair three well. Calling him back for congressional hearings. Second-guessing him on this, second- guessing him on that. That's the nature of the world we live in.
And you know, if you do something, somebody's not going to like it. Therefore, you've got a choice. You can go do nothing, or you can go do something and live with the fact that somebody's not going to like it.
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COOPER: Secretary Donald Rumsfeld.
In Iraq today, fresh U.S. casualties. A military spokesman says that five U.S. soldiers were killed, five others wounded in an explosion that hit a Humvee in eastern Baghdad. The kind of explosive has not been identified.
Meanwhile, insurgents in the Sadr City neighborhood of Baghdad fired mortar rounds and grenades at a police station housing U.S. troops. A bakery near the police station caught on fire. No other damage or injuries reported.
An Iraqi government official says Iraqi police patrols will replace U.S. forces in parts of Kufa and Najaf, to try to foster a cease-fire. Soldiers have been fighting for weeks with members of Muqtada al Sadr's Mehdi army militia.
These developments all come on a day when Iraq's prime minister went on television to talk directly to the Iraqi people.
CNN's Harris Whitbeck has that.
HARRIS WHITBECK, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Another first in Iraq; an Iraqi leader other than Saddam Hussein addressed the nation on television, asking for the people's support. And he reaffirmed Saddam would be try in an Iraqi court.
IYAD ALLAWI, INTERIM PRESIDENT, IRAQ (through translator): I will meet in the next week with the special court that the Iraqis will accept after transferring sovereignty. This court will be in charge of the crimes that were committed at the time of Saddam.
WHITBECK: While promising he will fight to ensure full sovereignty, Iyad Allawi said told his country men he needed their help, moral support for the new leaders and practical support in standing up to the insurgency, whose attacks are destabilizing the country.
Iraqis gathered at a Baghdad teahouse were generally supportive.
HAIDER YASSIN, IRAQI RESIDENT (through translator): He called for the stability of Iraq, for security to prevail, and for the rebuilding of the country. And we, the Iraqi people, will support him in order for him to do so.
WHITBECK: But the interim prime minister also said foreign troops will have to stay in Iraq for a while longer. And many who heard him were skeptical.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translator): Let the U.S. forces remain in Iraq, but if it continues with its present provocation, they will have to be changed. The resistance is the result of the American provocations.
WHITBECK: Provoked or not, there was another attack on U.S. troops on Friday. A military Humvee was hit by a rocket-propelled grenade, five soldiers were killed, and five wounded.
(on camera): Allawi said continued attacks will delay a return to stability and an improvement in the economy. He asked for patience. But said ultimately, the solution is in the Iraqis' hands.
Harris Whitbeck, CNN, Baghdad.
COOPER: Seventeen American POWs, held during the First Gulf War, lost a legal round today. Here's a quick news note. A U.S. appeals court threw out an award of $959 million in damages against Iraq, Saddam Hussein and Iraqi intelligence services. The court ruled that the former POWs and their relatives were not legally entitled to the judgment. Now, that award was originally issued by a federal judge last July, after Saddam Hussein was removed from power.
In Washington, trying to figure out the reasons George Tenet resigned seems to be the parlor game de jour. Tenet said he wants to spend time more time with his family, which maybe especially be true considering criticism of the job he's done promises to get worse. Possibly much worse when a 400-page report from the Senate Intelligence Committee comes out.
Details from congressional correspondent Joe Johns.
JOE JOHNS, CNN CONGRESSIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): The Senate report is being called a stinging indictment of CIA failures; so harsh, it's seen by some senators as one reason George Tenet resigned. Publicly, the Intelligence Committee chairman calls it, "unflattering."
SEN. PAT ROBERTS (R), CHAIRMAN, INTEL. CMTE.: I think the community is in somewhat denial over the full extent, and I emphasize full extent, of the shortcoming of its work on Iraq.
JOHNS: The report is especially critical of the October 2002 National Intelligence Estimate, detailing evidence the CIA said showed Saddam Hussein had chemical and biological weapons, and was trying to rebuild its nuclear weapons program. Among the findings, committee sources say, claims were based on unfounded assumptions, multiple names were used for the same source, making the evidence look stronger than it was. U.S. intelligence never interviewed sources who said Iraq had mobile weapons labs. And warnings one of those sources was a fabricator were ignored.
ROBERT BAER, FRM. CIA OFFICER: Sometimes in terrorism, if there's an imminent threat, you take un-sourced information, disseminate it. But something to justify a preemptive war is totally unacceptable.
JOHNS: The CIA, which is adding its remarks to the report and taking out classified material, had no comment.
Before George Tenet's resignation, Chairman Roberts suggested that intelligence failures were so serious, someone should be fired or disciplined.
JOHNS: Roberts expects to publicly release the report as early as this month. Then the committee begins work on what could be an equally damaging report to assess whether policy makers hyped the threat of weapons of mass destruction to make the case for war -- Anderson.
COOPER: Joe Johns live on Capitol Hill. Thanks, Joe.
Though President Bush is in Europe, focusing on wars past and present, he made sure to make brief remarks about the economy today. Strong and getting stronger, that's what the president said. Two hundred and forty-eight thousand new jobs were added in May, though the unemployment rate remains unchanged from the month before. And White House advisers say they now expect the economy to expand at an annual rate of 4 percent.
Impressive numbers, but as you may have noticed, in an election year the numbers always have a way of telling two very different stories
CNN's senior political correspondent Candy Crowley on the politics of jobs.
CANDY CROWLEY, CNN SENIOR POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Nine hundred thousand new jobs in three months. What could be wrong with that?
SEN. JOHN KERRY (D-MA), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: You know, I saw that there are 240,000 jobs created last month. That's terrific.
CROWLEY: That's not all, of course. John Kerry and company insists the economy is still a potent issue, particularly in hard-hit Midwestern battle ground states.
KERRY: But guess what? There's still 1.9 million net jobs lost over the course of this presidency.
CROWLEY: And especially when the rhetoric is sprinkled with the inference that George Bush cares only about the rich.
KERRY: There are still too many people who can't afford health care, can't afford to go to college. There are too many people struggling, while at the top end people get ahead.
CROWLEY: That stagnant job market, Democrats hope to hang around the president, is not stagnant anymore. And the failing economy has been booming for months. Surely it is a selling point for the president. But not the only point for John Kerry.
KERRY: I believe that over the course of these last few years, the leader of the free world, the United States of America, has lost respect and influence, alliances are broken, and people are questioning both our values and our ideals. I intend to restore America's respect and influence.
CROWLEY: Even as the economy has improved, the war in Iraq has proven more troublesome. Last year's conventional wisdom that George Bush's strong point would be his role as world leader, his weak point the economy, looks less wise at this moment in 2004. "We are happy," insisted one Kerry strategist, "to make our points on either topic."
Candy Crowley, CNN, Minneapolis.
COOPER: Well, today's "Buzz" is this. What do you think, are you better off today than you were four years ago? It's a question you've probably heard before. Log on to cnn.com/360. Cast your vote, we'll have results at the end of the program tonight.
Voices from September 11 heard again. That story tops our look at what's happening right now "Cross Country."
The 9/11 tapes; family members who lost relatives on the four hijacked planes, gathered in South Brunswick, New Jersey today to hear audiotapes of cell phone calls that passengers and crew made. Afterward, one woman who heard the tapes spoke of and I quote, "The unbelievable courage of the people on those planes." In New York now, children left behind, 10,000 third-graders could be held back after failing citywide reading and math tests. New York spent $8 million preparing for those exams.
In Los Angeles, Halle Berry's ex wants her money. Eric Benet, the guy on the left there, estranged husband of Halle Berry wants her to pay spousal support and legal bees -- bills. And he's challenging their prenup. Berry filed for divorce in April, says Benet cheated on her with many, different women.
That's a quick look at what's happening "Cross Country" tonight.
"360" next, an armed man on a bulldozer plowing a Colorado town; it is happening right now. We will get the very latest report on that right after the break.
Also coming up tonight, big brother and babies. Is the government trying guilt trip -- guilt trip you into breast-feeding? A new ad campaign that's so provocative some of the ads had to be tossed out. We'll take a closer look at that.
And have you ever wondered what your dog is really thinking? Meet a woman who says she knows. The Pet Psychic, is it real or real lame? We'll let you decide for yourself. Part of our special series on "Paranormal Mysteries."
And big time political brawls; some lawmakers get down and dirty. We have the video. All that ahead -- that's not the video. There's the video for that. All that ahead.
Let's take a look right now at your picks. The "Most Popular Stories" on cnn.com right now.
COOPER: We have some breaking news to report out of Colorado. There are reports right now of a person using a large bulldozer to topple buildings. This is coming out -- you see some of the pictures here of some of the buildings. Coming out of the mountain town of Granby, about 70 miles northwest of Denver. Residents say the bulldozer has destroyed, or heavily damaged the town hall, a bank, the library and offices.
I'm not sure which building that is there you're looking at. A number of buildings have been damaged. Witnesses say the bulldozer has actually been fortified with steel plates. Again, this information is just coming in. These are the first time we are seeing these pictures from KMCH. We're going to bring you a live report as soon as we have any more information.
In the 500-channel universe, the chances that you will see, or more importantly, pay attention to any one ad are pretty slim. Unless, of course, you're watching us and seeing yet another toe nail fungus ad. So how do you battle that especially if your message involves public health? Well, a new ad campaign by the Department of Health and Human Services aims to get more women to breast-feed. What it's also getting is controversy.
CNN's medical correspondent Elizabeth Cohen has the story.
ELIZABETH COHEN, CNN MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): The gist of this new campaign is that giving your baby formula instead of breast milk is dangerous. Just as riding a mechanical bull or log rolling would be dangerous when you're pregnant. These public service ads are being put out by the federal government. And a spokesman admits that bottle-feeding your baby isn't really as dangerous as these pregnant acrobatics.
KEVIN KEANE, DEPT. OF HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES: We felt it was time to try something different, try a new approach, something that would get women's attention. And talk a little bit about the consequences of not breast-feeding.
COHEN: And that has some people in an uproar. Including the baby formula industry. "The images of visibly pregnant women log- rolling and bull-riding in the Health and Human Services ads are unnecessarily alarming and misrepresentative.
In an earlier version, which was never released, the ads were even stronger. They said babies who are formula fed have a higher risk of later getting diabetes and leukemia. The government then concluded there wasn't enough scientific evidence to back that up, and changed it to a higher risk of ear infections and respiratory problems. A spokesman for the government says they decided to do the ads because years of other gentler ads just didn't work.
KEANE: Part of the strategy here is to make sure that women know the importance of breast-feeding exclusively for six months.
COHEN: Breast-feeding advocates agree. One nurse's group said, "This important and much-needed, new campaign has the potential to increase the rate of breast-feeding in the United States."
So now the question is, will these new ads really encourage mothers to breast-feed or merely cause panic among those who don't?
COHEN: Now, the original set of ads showed some pregnant women in a roller derby, but the government then decided that was just going too far -- Anderson.
COOPER: All right. Elizabeth Cohen, thanks.
The government says not enough mothers are breast-feeding. But exactly how many are? Let's try and put that number in perspective. According to the Food and Drug Administration, 55.9 percent of women breast-feed their newborns at the hospital. Only 19 percent are still breast-feeding when their babies are six months old. The American Academy of Pediatrics recommends that mothers breast-feed for six to 12 months. The 15-anniversary of the Tiananmen uprising tops our look at global stories in the "Up Link" tonight. Beijing, Chinese authorities blocked public commemorations of the Tiananmen Square protest. Most of the activists from 1989, who remained in China, are under house arrest. And China censors are keeping citizens from seeing CNN's coverage of the anniversary by fading to black every time it's mentioned.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Marks the 15-anniversary of Beijing's bloody crackdown on the 1989 student-led protests. When the former student leaders of the demon...
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COOPER: Subtle? They are not.
In Tokyo, Japan, parliamentary fisticuffs, a shouting and pushing match erupts. Lawmakers try to yank a legislator from a podium, attempting to stop him from announcing the passage of a controversial pension bill.
And in France, Liberty Bell replica, the Normandy Liberty Bell is unveiled, symbolizing French-American friendship, ahead of this weekend's ceremonies commemorating the D-Day landings. The bell is a close copy of the Liberty Bell in Philadelphia.
And in Kenya, four-wheeling for rhinos. Sixty-five teams of drivers compete in a racing event, raised about $400,000 for a fence to keep poachers out of a rain forest that is home to endangered black rhinos.
That's what's going on around the world in the "Up Link" tonight.
An update on the breaking news we told you about a moment ago out of Colorado. There are reports, as we said, of a person using a large bulldozer to topple buildings. That's one of the damaged structures you see there. This is coming out of the mountain town Granby, Colorado. Which is, as we said, about 70 miles northwest of Denver.
Now, residents say the bulldozer has destroyed or at least heavily damaged a number of buildings. We're talking about the town hall, a bank, the library and offices. The bulldozer is apparently fortified with steel plates.
Joining us by phone right now, Granby County manager Lurline Curran.
Mr. Curran, thank you very much for being on the program. I'm sorry, what can you tell us, Miss Curran?
LURLINE CURRAN, COUNTY MANAGER, GRANBY, COLORADO: Hello?
COOPER: Yes, you're on the air. What can you tell us? What is happening right now? CURRAN: A gentleman has methodically moved through the town of Granby, destroying a number of buildings. He is now currently stopped inside the Gamble's store, has been surrounded, and the Jefferson County SWAT team, and the Granby Sheriff's Department are on scene.
COOPER: You say methodically, how long has this been happening for?
CURRAN: About an hour and 45 minutes. It started about an hour and 45 minutes to two hours ago.
COOPER: We've heard reports that this bulldozer is somehow fortified with steel plates. Can you describe it?
CURRAN: Yes, he fortified it with some armored plates. So it was very difficult for our sheriff's department to do anything to stop him. He also had a weapon. So we had to be very cautious.
COOPER: And you say right now, he has been surrounded, and the bulldozer is inside a building?
CURRAN: Yes. He was demolishing the Gamble's store. The vehicle has stopped in there. It has been surrounded. And they're trying right now to extricate the person. But they have to be very cautious, because they don't know if he's still alive, or if -- what's going on there. So they're just moving very cautiously.
COOPER: Do you have any information on who this person is, or why they may be doing this?
CURRAN: Well, we understand that it may have been a person that was not happy with some decisions that were made to the town of Granby on a certain zoning matter.
COOPER: Where did you get that information?
CURRAN: Excuse me?
COOPER: How do you know that? Have the police been able to communicate...
CURRAN: Well, that what's being reported. His name has been reported over the local news station. And of course, being a small community, we knew about this. It's been over a year -- year and a half ago that this happened. So -- but if that's the gentleman, that could be the reason.
COOPER: How big a community is Granby? I mean you said it's a small community. So you actually know this person?
CURRAN: Well, the county itself is 14,000 people. The town of Granby is around 12 to 1500.
COOPER: And these buildings in particular, I mean I can understand the town hall if it was a zoning matter, why the newspaper? Why these offices? CURRAN: Well, there's a batch -- a concrete batch plant, which was the contention of the zoning matter. He did not like the town hall, the bank, the Sky-High newspaper, Gamble's store and Independent Gas Company, which a couple of those buildings are owned by town council members.
COOPER: You said Granby's a town of about 14,000 people, how many police officers...
CURRAN: Fourteen hundred.
COOPER: Fourteen hundred.
CURRAN: The County is 14,000; the town is only about 12 to 1400.
COOPER: Twelve to 1400. How many police officers do you have? and how were you able to respond to this?
CURRAN: Excuse me?
COOPER: How many police officers do you have in Granby and how were they able to deal with this?
CURRAN: Well, we have about 30 police officers. We did call in the Jefferson County SWAT team. We have a very efficient emergency management plan. Our county sheriff is the incident commander, and he does know who to call and when. And evidently he called them quite quickly, because they're here, and they're across the mountain in Denver. So the sheriff is well on top of this.
COOPER: At this point, do you know were any shots fired?
CURRAN: Yes, there were shots fired.
COOPER: Do you know approximately how many? And were the shots...
CURRAN: I don't know. There were shots exchanged a couple of times. I don't know how many shots were fired.
COOPER: So the person in the bulldozer did fire as well?
CURRAN: Yes, that's correct.
COOPER: Now, we're looking at some pictures, where we see what looks like a bulldozer with some sort of a roof on top of it. And some, it looks like police or emergency workers climbing on top of it. Is that the bulldozer in question?
CURRAN: Yes, it is.
COOPER: So, as far as you know, I mean it is completely stationary is what we're seeing right now.
CURRAN: Yes, that's correct.
COOPER: And has there been any communication in the last several minutes with this person in the bulldozer?
CURRAN: No, there has not. All is quiet there. The police officers are trying to figure out how to get inside that -- that armored armor that he's put on there.
COOPER: Well, it's obviously still a very dangerous situation. Lurline Curran, we appreciate you talking -- joining us on the program from Granby, talking about what's going on.
As we said, a man in a fortified bulldozer has, for the last hour or two, been demolishing buildings, basically, in this small town of Granby, a small town of 1400 -- 1200 to 1400 people. The town manager believes it was some sort of a zoning argument that the man had with the town. He went for the town hall, the town newspaper, a number of other structures. We will obviously continue to follow this developing story.
"360" next, what a difference a year makes. President Bush hugs, kisses with world leaders. Is that amore or raw politics. We're going to hear from both sides.
And later, hopes, dreams, and a run for the Triple Crown. And unlikely hero takes center stage. The hot tip for your weekend.
COOPER: It is stunning the amount of money Americans spend on their pets: health insurance, breath mints, little, ridiculous costumes. It seems there's no limits; there are even pet psychics. Some of whom get paid a lot of money, who say they can communicate with your furry friend.
Tonight in the conclusion of our series "Paranormal Mysteries," we sit down with one well-known pet psychic. And when I say "we," I mean my dog Molly and I. Do you believe her mind is being read? Well, judge for yourself.
SONYA FITZPATRICK, PET PSYCHIC: Yes, I'm going to have the privilege of talking to you today.
COOPER (voice-over): If you've ever seen the "Pet Psychic" on Animal Planet, you know Sonya Fitzpatrick. She claims she can communicate with animals telepathically.
FITZPATRICK: Why have you cut that red meat out, he wants to know?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Just availability.
FITZPATRICK: He's annoyed with you for that, and he wants more red meat.
COOPER: Fitzpatrick says she can talk with any kind of animal, even my dog Molly. FITZPATRICK: I work with all of my faculties, all of my senses. And I receive pictures from them. But it's not like seeing them with the physical eye. It's like the imagination. So the first -- and I will feel things and already she's tuning in to me. And she loves it here. But she has somewhere else that she goes backwards and forwards to, which she absolutely adores. And said also she's very good with other dogs. But where she goes, there's a very rude dog.
COOPER: At least with Molly, Fitzpatrick was not very specific.
FITZPATRICK: Where is it you're planning to go?
COOPER (on camera): Where am I planning to go?
FITZPATRICK: Yes. Have you been thinking of going somewhere?
FITZPATRICK: Because she wants to know is she coming with you? So where is it you're going?
COOPER: Well, I'm trying to go to Iraq. I don't think she's going to come with me.
FITZPATRICK: Let me tell her no that she won't be going.
COOPER: Why doesn't she tell you all these things? I mean why doesn't she tell you...
FITZPATRICK: You see, when they're talking to me, she -- I always -- you have to work with someone to validate it. And she's your dog. And she's a little unsure of some things. So she's asking me questions, what she wants to be sure in her mind. Because she doesn't know.
COOPER (voice-over): Looked to me like Molly wasn't all that interested in communicating. But Fitzpatrick claims she was bursting to talk.
FITZPATRICK: And could she have -- she that said she has -- she eats dry food. But she'd like some more variety.
COOPER: She wants more variety?
FITZPATRICK: A bit more variety.
FITZPATRICK: She doesn't feel she gets enough variety.
COOPER: Is that right?
FITZPATRICK: Oh, she says I would like a bit more, few other things.
COOPER: Uh-huh. She's a fussy eater.
FITZPATRICK: Yes. And she said that when she doesn't eat that she'd like a little bit of chicken.
COOPER: A little bit of chicken, OK.
FITZPATRICK: Yes, she's good at eating that. And she also likes cheese.
COOPER: Oh, does she?
(voice-over): Molly has actually never tasted chicken or cheese, but maybe one of her dog friends told her about it.
(on camera): A lot of people would just say what you're doing is a cold reading. You're basically -- you particularly need me here because you need to get clues from me to respond to. I'm sure you've heard that before.
FITZPATRICK: Yes. Well, the thing is, you know your dog, don't you. You know your lifestyle. You know what goes on in your life. So all animals have different lifestyles with people, just like people do.
COOPER: And to the critics who say, this is a scam, you say what?
FITZPATRICK: Well, it really doesn't bother me too much whatever they say. I know that animals have a voice. I know that they can talk. I know that they have a language, a silent language. And it's not a verbal language unless they're barking to convey something, that's the only way they sort of make a noise, barking. So it really doesn't bother me what people say. I know I can do what I do.
COOPER (voice-over): As for Molly, her reaction? Well, maybe all that mind reading wore her out. She seemed tired of the whole thing.
COOPER: An alleged gang rape caught on tape. A mistrial is denied. Now will three teens take the stand and defend themselves.
And the godfather of reality, Mark Burnett, joins me to talks about his rocky new drama "The American Dream," where reality TV goes next. 360 continues.
COOPER: Let's take a quick look at our top stories. Right now some breaking news in the small Colorado town of Granby, about 70 miles northwest of Denver, an armed man driving a massive fortified bulldozer through the city streets. He's torn down builds, including the bank, the town hall, the newspaper offices. You see one of the buildings right there. He has stopped. You can see the bulldozer. It's frozen right there underneath one of the structures. It has been surrounded by the police officers.
The town manager told me a few minutes ago she thought the dispute might be over a zoning issue. It is not clear the status of the man who is armed inside that vehicle right now. We'll continue to follow it throughout the next half hour.
Also today, President Bush in Rome. Earlier in the day, a meeting with the Pope and with the Italian prime minister. Part of a three-day trip that includes the commemoration of the 60th anniversary of D-Day.
Former Senator, John Danforth of Missouri has been tapped by President Bush to be the next ambassador to the United Nations. The current U.N. ambassador, John Negroponte is changing jobs. He'll be the new ambassador to Iraq after the transfer of power June 30.
In Miami, O.J. Simpson is complaining that the media made the public think he's guilty of the murder of his wife Nicole and her friend Ronald Goldman. Simpson's wife and Goldman were slashed to death outside her home ten years ago. Simpson said he was -- he has given up his much publicized pledge to find the real killer, because of the demands of raising two teenage children and paying for their education.
That's a quick look at what's going on in the "Reset."
After a year and a half of seemingly nonstop coverage, the trial of Scott Peterson is finally under way. The prosecution trying to establish right now where Laci Peterson was the night before she went missing, and maybe more importantly, just what she was wearing.
Covering the case for us tonight in "Justice Served," 360 legal analyst Kimberly Guilfoyle Newsom in San Francisco, and from Miami, defense attorney Jayne Weintraub. Thanks both for being on the show.
Kimberly, let me start off with you. Why is this chronology so important? And finding out what Laci Peterson was wearing so crucial?
KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE NEWSOM, 360 LEGAL ANALYST: Well, one of the big problems and puzzles in this case is the timeline, when exactly was Laci Peterson killed. And it really factors into Scott Peterson's defense, the prosecution going on the defensive, trying to show that it happened on December 23 versus the morning of December 24. So, they're trying to lay out a clean case, as they presented in their opening statement. And presenting the evidence in that same order.
COOPER: Well, Jayne, let's talk about this opening statement, because so much attention is put on them. How do you think the prosecution did? They started off with this chronology which is perhaps not the most sort of gang buster way to begin.
JAYNE WEINTRAUB, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, I think what they tried to do is inflame the jurors and the public with all these photographs and opening statement of the autopsy. You know, Anderson, it wasn't really relevant in this murder case.
Sometimes it's relevant if there's a particular stab wound or bullet wound, but in this case the only purpose of putting all the fetus autopsy pictures up there was to inflame the jurors.
What they should have spent time doing, I think, is methodically explaining to the jurors how a circumstance case is put together piece by piece, and why they would call certain witnesses and what they would say to make the quilt complete. They didn't do that.
And so they fumbled when they make overbroad statements like, well, we just relied on the police, and the police maintain, as you'll hear, he was -- she was watching Martha Stewart. But we pulled the tapes and there was Martha Stewart mentioned.
And sure enough, that gave the opening for Mark Geragos to get up there as he did the next day and say, here's the tape the next day. And sure enough, as Mark Geragos had said, the Martha Stewart thing was there.
So, I think right away the prosecutors fumbled. They're not going medically. They're overkilling their case by saying, you know, to a hair salon person, did Laci tell you that her husband was having an affair? You see, ladies and gentlemen, she wasn't. That's ridiculous.
COOPER: Yes, Kimberly, go ahead.
NEWSOM: This case isn't about Martha Stewart and meringue, really. It's about the fact that Laci Peterson was brutally murdered, eight months pregnant, her poor unborn son Conner washing up on shore. The problem is that Mark Geragos overstated the fact that Scott Peterson was a loving doting husband, when in fact what when we know, is on 96 separate occasions, after his wife was missing, when he should have been out looking for her, he was calling Amber Frey.
And on December 14, instead of being at a Christmas party with his wife, he was with his mistress. And the fact that Mark Geragos failed to explain why it is in the exact same spot where Scott Peterson was fishing, the bodies of his wife and his unborn son washed up. You cannot wipe away that kind of evidence, or those kind of issues that come up.
They're saying, oh, this is a coincidence. He said, instead, that a band of homeless people are responsible for Laci's death and disappearance, and that they in fact dropped the bodies in the Bay to frame Scott Peterson. None of that makes sense.
COOPER: Janye, how much of the defense, Jayne, is going to be sort of -- basically taking a page from the O.J. Simpson defense, going after the police, going after the chain of evidence, going after their procedures?
WEINTRAUB: It's not just an O.J., Anderson, as you know, that in every single case, the burden of proof is on the prosecution, it's on the government. That's what our constitution maintains. So, it's our job and our responsibility as a defense lawyer to show the jurors the inconsistencies in the police work, in the shoddy police work.
For example, what came out yesterday in cross-examination was, even from Amy Rocha, why wasn't this witness properly prepared by the prosecutor. She says that she's not even sure that those pair of pants, the maternity pants that she was shown in court, were the same maternity pants that her sister had been wearing.
What could be worse for the prosecutor on the first day of trial. Nothing. What could be worse for the prosecutor than to come out with they have another woman from the salon, and Mark Geragos got up there and said, well the police report says you told the police blah-blah- blah, and she said, I never said that.
So, again, it's showing that the police wrote down things, rushed to judgment, that were inaccurate, that framed their conviction and thought of conviction. so, I think Mark is being very responsible in doing his job.
COOPER: All right, spoken...
NEWSOM: What could be worse than a married man saying he didn't want to have children and telling his lover that he would have a vasectomy instead. That really shows where his mindset was.
WEINTRAUB: Kimberly, that doesn't make him a murderer. That makes him a disgusting, or despicable husband.
COOPER: We're going to have to leave it there. Spoken like a true defense attorney and like former prosecutor. Kimberly Guilfoyle Newsom, thanks very much. Jayne Weintraub, great to talk to you as always.
In political news, President Bush in Europe with a hearty bonjour France. Soccer blue. What a difference a year makes. Pardon my French.
Also tonight, bud a bing, bud a bing, bud a boom. I mangled that. The season finale of "The Sopranos." A preview of that and other family fare -- that's family fare? -- in the "Weekender."
COOPER: Hearing what President Bush is up to this weekend is enough to make you think you imagined that the whole freedom fries never happened. The fact is a year is a long time and things do change when it comes to rifts between leaders, breaking out may be hard to do, but making up, well, that is just raw politics.
COOPER (voice-over): It started with a phone call ten days ago and then this weekend they will finally meet again. Presidents Bush and Chirac together on the beaches of Normandy, along with another longtime friend German Chancellor Gerhardt Schroeder. A year after a public divide over the war in Iraq, no hard feelings? President Bush said it himself in an interview to the French weekly magazine, "Match." I quote, "we argued like friends do. Friends can disagree." So forgotten the freedom fries, the old Europe?
WILLIAM SCHNEIDER, CNN SR. POLITICAL ANALYST: The United States can't afford to have hard feelings. We need help! We need help from these guys. Bush's Iraq policy is in trouble. That's essentially why it looks like his political campaign is in trouble. Iraq, Iraq, Iraq. He needs the rest of the world to help bail the United States out.
COOPER: Many experts say there's another reason why President Bush wants to mend fences. This guy. A recent CNN poll showed a change. Now a majority of Americans think Kerry would do a better job than President Bush on world affairs.
SCHNEIDER: This is crucial for him politically, because one of John Kerry's strongest arguments against George Bush is, he's isolated the United States in the world.
COOPER: The president doesn't see it that way. He's even said he's ready to invite Jacques Chirac to Crawford. If he wants to see the cows, he's more than welcome. He can come see the cows, he told a French reporter. Getting over an argument is no small feat, but it is absolutely necessary in the world of raw politics.
COOPER: Raw politics certainly is a funny business. Nobody covers it better than "TIME" columnist and CNN political contributor Joe Klein here in New York, and in Washington, "Christian Science Monitor" political reporter, Liz Marlantes. Thanks for being on the program, Liz, and Joe, good to see you. Joe, let's start off with you. Does President Bush, he's over there in Europe, does he need actual tangible results politically or is the fact that he appears to be sort of trying to mend fences enough?
JOE KLEIN, COLUMNIST, "TIME": It would be nice if he could get our NATO allies to agree to help out in Iraq. That probably isn't going to happen. I think what his greatest hope is that his speech at Normandy, the D-Day speech is going to be a wonderful, eloquent address as he often does. And that will overwhelm all the protests and -- I guess he's hoping he won't get hit by an egg or something.
COOPER: Yes. But Liz, you know, John Kerry has been saying all along, for quite a long time, we need to internationalize. He has sort of played up his credentials, his abilities, speaks French, to sort of mend those fences. Does George Bush take away some of that fire by being there, by trying to mend those fences?
LIZ MARLANTES, POLITICAL REPORTER, "CHRISTIAN SCIENCE MONITOR": I think he's going to try to. But you're right. Kerry has really been hitting this point recently and `it's become sort of the crux of his foreign policy argument against Bush. He doesn't have much in terms of policy differences, in terms of what he would do differently in Iraq. What he's been arguing very forcefully recently is that he would have a whole different tone, a whole different style that he would bring a multi-lateral approach that would sort of clear the air, and bring in the kind of international support that he says Bush is going to be unable to get. And so in a way, I think this is a very important test for Bush, because if he fails, it will give Kerry more ammunition to bolster this argument that he's been making.
COOPER: Let's talk a little bit about -- do you want to...
KLEIN: They're never going to love George Bush overseas, especially in Europe. It's a really tough lift. When John Kerry says that the rest of the world, the rest of the foreign leaders would rather have him as president, he's telling the truth. It just may not be an advantage in American politics.
COOPER: Let's talk a little bit about George Tenet. There are supposed to be several reports coming out of the Hill from the Senate and Congress, very critical of the CIA. Perhaps very critical of George Tenet personally. Does it soften the blow for the Bush administration to have Tenet out of the way?
KLEIN: I think it makes it a little bit better. But still, you have the problem of all of the faulty intelligence that the CIA was delivering. The CIA director serves at the pleasure of the president. And one of his major jobs is to please the president. And to give him the kind of intelligence he wants to see. And in this case, there were all kinds of signals going to the CIA saying, we want to see Saddam Hussein's working on weapons of mass destruction especially nuclear when the intelligence community knew that the nuclear wasn't -- probably wasn't there. And that the biological and chemical was, you know, pretty strong at that point.
COOPER: Our last topic. Liz, I wanted to talk about the job number out, some 200,000, a little more than that new jobs created though the unemployment rate has not changed in the past month. Are the Republicans getting the traction they would like on this issue?
MARLANTES: So far, they're really not. It's one of the most frustrating things for the Bush campaign is that the economy has been getting steadily better and they really haven't been able to break through the news on Iraq on that front. Bush's poll numbers on the economy, a new poll just came out today that showed 55 percent of Americans still disapprove of his handling of the economy. That really shows that they haven't been able to get the traction that they've been hoping for. They are going to make a major effort going forward to try to get this good economic news out there. They've got a new ad and they had it ready to go in the can up until this morning and as soon as the new numbers came out, they put those new numbers in it and got it ready to go.
COOPER: And the new ad basically saying John Kerry is very pessimistic. We've got to leave it there. Liz Marlantes, thank you very much. Really interesting, from the "Christian Science Monitor." Joe Klein for "TIME," thank you very much.
Well, the weakening of a crackdown in Singapore. They're easing up on a bizarre ban. We'll take that to the Nth Degree ahead. Also tonight, who said reality bites. We'll talk to Mike Burnett, reality ruler and the man who turned the format into must-see TV.
COOPER: So the boy wizard returns, taking fans on a trip to the dark side. And we say good-bye to the family for another season. If you've got to ask, what family? "Fergetit about it." It's all in tonight's "Weekender."
COOPER (voice-over): In movies it's the flick movie-going moguls have been waiting for, "Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban." The third installment of the magical mysteries has has Harry and his Hogwarts cohorts battling dementors, werewolves and mad dogs, with a new director, and new Dumbledor (ph) and a decidedly darker look.
On DVD, "Monster." Charlize Theron took home an Oscar for her portrayal of Aileen Wuornos, the prostitute turned tortured serial killer. Or you can hear from the real Aileen Wuronos in the Nick Broomfield documentary "Aileen: Life and Death of a Serial Killer," also in stores this weekend.
JAMES GANDOLFINI, ACTOR: So, we going to deal with this as a family.
COOPER: Will Tony S turn Tony B over to Johnny Sack? Will Tony and Carmela stay together? Will Adriana stay dead? Will Meadows' boyfriend end up sleeping with the fishes? All, most? Well, at least some will be revealed as the "Sopranos" says good-bye to the next-to- the-last season Sunday night.
If you prefer Broadway tunes to blood feuds and Tony Awards to Tony Sapronos, they're handing out the honors to Broadway's best this Sunday night. Odds on favorites, the boy from "OZ," "Wicked," and "I Am My Own Wife."
The odds on favorite to take home the Triple Crown tomorrow, it is Smarty Jones at 2-5. The horse with the hard luck story has already won the Kentucky Derby and the Preakness and he'll head into race horse history with a win a tomorrow's Belmont Stakes. There have only been 12 Triple Crown winners, the last one in 1978. Post time, 6:28 Eastern.
COOPER: That's what you can do this weekend. And in "The Apprentice," Donald Trump may have made "You're Fired" famous, but Mark Burnett is the producer who got Trump his job. "The Apprentice" is just another in Burnett's string of hits that began with "Survivor." And now his empire is said to expand again. I spoke with him earlier.
(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE) COOPER: Let's talk about "The Contender," because that's your next project. What is it?
MARK BURNETT, TV PRODUCER: "The Contender" is my next unscripted drama in the world of boxing. It's the same as Stallone making "Rocky," which was really not about boxing. It's an American dream story. A story of someone getting shot, coming from the wrong side of the tracks and using boxing, willing to fight one on one in a championship fight to find out who you are and give yourself a chance. It's the American dream story.
COOPER: So, you're going to follow what a core group of wannabe boxers and watch their development?
BURNETT: It's 16 boxers going through 13 weeks of television, down to the final two. And two out of 16, there's a 1 in 8 chance, Anderson, gets a fight in Las Vegas in a title fight.
COOPER: You've always called reality TV unscripted dramas, and you've really been the father of this thing, I mean, from the beginning you sort of have defined the medium. Where is it going? As you see the arc it's made so far.
BURNETT: I've always, you know, you're right, used the word unscripted drama. I don't like the word reality. I think this is reality. You're asking me questions, I'm trying to answer honestly, and it goes out pretty much unedited.
COOPER: Oh, we're going to edit it.
BURNETT: I pick my nose now, right? What I do is just story telling. There's not much difference in what I'm doing than on "CSI" or "E.R." It's just I shoot first, I have 25 different stories, and I choose my storyline backwards, knowing my result.
COOPER: But how do you determine what the stories are going to be in advance? When you cast Amarosa, do you know she's going to cause problems? Do you know she's going to cause a conflict?
BURNETT: No. And anybody who tells you and looks in your eyes, and says I cast that person for conflict, they're lying. There is no way to predict that.
COOPER: But you do want some inherent conflict?
BURNETT: It always happens. You simply take 16 highly driven A- type leaders, put them in a group Democratic setting, and they're going to fight. It always happens. You just don't know who's going to fight with who.
COOPER: You're shows are different. You look at "The Apprentice," you like at "Survivor." it's not "The Bachelor," or "The Littlest Person," or whatever they are, big fat obnoxious groom who's little, you know. What separates your shows -- why don't you do those kind of shows? BURNETT: Because I treat my primetime television hour like a gift from god. It's a motion picture. I'm making a major motion picture. It's all about the story, story, story with character. And it's not stunt TV. Just tell stories. It certainly works on "ER" and "CSI."
COOPER: And you're actually moving now into the realm of "ER" and "CSI." You're doing a scripted comedy, "Commando Nanny."
BURNETT: Yes, you're right.
COOPER: So, is this the wave of the future for you? Are you going to go into more and more sitcoms away from unscripted dramas?
BURNETT: Once again, for me, if it's interesting and it's good story telling, I want to do it.
COOPER: All right. Good luck to you. Mark Burnett, thanks very much.
BURNETT: Thank you.
COOPER: All right. So, many things should be banned, but gum? Singapore has a real problem with the stuff, but they may be easing up. We'll take their ban to the "Nth Degree."
First, today's "Buzz." Still have some moments to get in on it. "Are you better off today than you were four years ago?" CNN.com/360. Go there, cast your vote. Results when we come back.
COOPER: 13 percent of you said you are better off than you were four years ago. 87 percent of you said no. Not a scientific poll, but it is your "Buzz." Thanks for voting.
Finally tonight, taking cleanliness to the "Nth Degree." For the past 12 years the people of Singapore haven't been able to walk and chew gum at the same time. In fact, they haven't been able to chew gum and do anything at the same time, because the chewing of gum was outlawed. The government said the streets were becoming too fouled with spit out wads of gum.
Now, however, under pressure from the U.S., Singapore has chewed it over, and decided to loosen its gum ban, sort of. New rules permit the sale of gum by pharmacists, but in order to buy a pack, you've got to first submit your name and ID card number. Interestingly, if you'd prefer buying a prostitute to buying a pack of gum, you can do that legally and without such restrictions.
Perhaps the Singapore government believes they're easier to clean up off the sidewalks.
That's 360 for tonight, thanks for watching. Have a great weekend. "PAULA ZAHN NOW." is next.
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