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Official Opening Today For Memorial to Princess Di; Senate Issues Report This Week on Prewar Intelligence

Aired July 06, 2004 - 06:30   ET

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CAROL COSTELLO, CNN ANCHOR: Tribute to a princess marked by a rare public statement from Queen Elizabeth. You're looking at live pictures of the Princess Diana memorial fountain in Hyde Park, London.
It is Tuesday, July 6. This is DAYBREAK.

And good morning to you from the CNN Global Headquarters in Atlanta. I'm Carol Costello. Let me bring you up to date right now with the latest headlines.

This may be the day. Senator John Kerry is expected to announce his pick for vice president in just three and a half hours from now. CNN will be at that Pittsburgh rally, and we'll bring you extensive live coverage.

Four Palestinians and one Israeli soldier have been killed in heavy fighting in the West Bank. The Israeli military was conducting an arrest operation at a refugee camp when that fighting broke out.

In money news, Delta Airlines is reportedly going to ask its pilots for over a billion dollars in concessions. "USA Today" reports that would cut pilot labor costs almost in half.

In culture, it is a losing battle. A study has found that parents try but fail to limit their children's exposure to violence on TV and in video games. The study looked at health clinics in the nation's capital.

And in sports, L.A. pitcher Eric Gagne's streak is over. Gagne had 84 consecutive saves through last night, but then he lost a 5-3 lead against the Arizona Diamondbacks. The Dodgers still won 6-5 after rallying in the 10th inning.

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COSTELLO: It's a fountain, it's a child's playground, it's a memorial to Princess Diana. And, oh, yes, it's controversial, and not only for its design but for who showed up to unveil it today.

Let's take you live to London and Paula Hancocks. Although the queen said some very nice things about the princess.

PAULA HANCOCKS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: That's right, Carol. Yes. Good morning from London.

She made a speech just about 15 minutes ago and officially opened the Diana Princess of Wales memorial fountain. She did have some very nice things to say about Diana. She talked a little bit about the extraordinary sense of loss and grief that they felt in the days just after learning about her death almost seven years ago now in that car crash in Paris.

She also said that she would like to open the memorial on behalf of the royal family and also on behalf of Earl Spencer. Now, this is Diana's brother who has not exactly got on well with the royal family in the past. If you'll remember at the funeral back in 1997 at Westminster Abbey, Earl Spencer made a very bitter speech about the way that Diana was treated during her life.

But the queen did make quite a short speech and did say that Diana touched the lives of many people that she met and also had the capacity to change the lives of many people that she met. But she also did acknowledge that they didn't always see eye to eye.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

QUEEN ELIZABETH, II, BRITAIN: Of course, there were difficult times, but memories mellow with the passing of the years. I remember especially the happiness she gave to my two grandsons. Such memories are most people's memorials, (UNINTELLIGIBLE) live on in those have helped to shape in life. But for some exceptional people there is a need for something more, a permanent and more public recognition.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

HANCOCKS: The queen was also joined by her husband, the duke of Edinburgh, also Diana's former husband, Prince Charles, and her sons, Princes William and Harry. They're just behind me at the moment in a marquee, where they're having refreshments, meeting the designers of this fountain, which has been controversial. It's been mixed criticism and praise over the last week or so since the opening about last Tuesday. The official opening, though, coming today.

Now, it's a water fountain, which shows different stages of Diana Princess of Wales' life. There are choppy parts of the water. It's supposed to show her turbulent married and public life. And then it ends up in a very cool and calm pond at the bottom, which is supposed to show the peace and tranquility that she got in later life. Also at the bottom in that pond children will be able to paddle in, showing her love of children -- that's what the designers say -- showing, mirroring the cycles of Diana's live.

Now, just in about 10 or 15 minutes or so the royal family will come out of the marquee and will walk and greet the crowd behind me. There are about 320 official guests, members of the royal family, of the Spencer family and of the designer. And, of course, a tremendous amount of public have turned up as well, and they have been applauding rapturously.

Back to you.

COSTELLO: Paula Hancocks live in Hyde Park in London. Thank you. John Kerry, well, he's been very tight-lipped about his pick for a running mate, but that is about to change. He is expected to make his choice this morning at a Pittsburgh rally. Most of the speculation has centered on Senator John Edwards of North Carolina, Representative Dick Gephardt of Missouri and Iowa Governor Tom Vilsack.

President Bush, well, it's his birthday today. He turns 58, and there is no word on how he will celebrate, but it looks like he will spend his birthday working. He has an Oval Office meeting planned with the prime minister of Iceland.

And this week, we'll hear from the Senate panel looking into prewar intelligence on Iraq's alleged weapons of mass destruction, and what we could find out could prove damning for the CIA.

CNN's Dick Uliano joins us live by phone from Washington with what we can expect in that report.

Good morning.

DICK ULIANO, CNN RADIO CORRESPONDENT: Good morning to you, Carol.

Well, the Senate Intelligence Committee spent more than a year looking into prewar intelligence that estimated Iraq had weapons of mass destruction, and a survey of Iraq has turned up no such weapons.

And we have to remember Congress backed the war based on the Bush administration's justification that the United States needed to secure weapons of mass destruction, so that Saddam would not transfer them to terrorists who could use them inside the United States, leaving no fingerprints.

But earlier this year, former chief weapons inspector David Kay told Congress, we were probably all wrong about weapons of mass destruction. And the Senate Intelligence Committee that's been looking into this for more than a year will issue its final report. That's expected to be released here in Washington on Thursday -- Carol.

COSTELLO: So, Dick, will this report pin the blame solely on the CIA?

ULIANO: Well, actually the Senate Intelligence Committee chairman, Pat Roberts, a Republican from Kansas, told reporters last week it was a worldwide intelligence failure, but that's not going to let the CIA off the hook. Roberts points out that although the failure was worldwide, you have to remember that CIA Director George Tenet had assured President Bush, according to the Bob Woodward book, that it was a slam dunk that Iraq had such weapons.

Tons of chemical and biological weapons was the story, but no such weapons have been found in Iraq, and the report is going to deal with that.

COSTELLO: So, I guess we don't have to wonder anymore why George Tenet stepped down.

ULIANO: Well, Tenet stepped down earlier this year, and he had served a term. He said it was for family reasons. But certainly he knew well that this committee report was coming and other criticism of the CIA expected in the months ahead and as we approached the November elections, criticism expected.

By the way, the committee also says, Carol, very disappointed the CIA has blacked out many of the details in the report, saying it's classified information.

COSTELLO: Interesting. Dick Uliano from CNN Radio joining us live on the phone from Washington this morning. Thank you.

Still to come on DAYBREAK, "Today's Talker." Should Iraq's new government cut a deal with insurgents?

And John Kerry's running mate. An announcement could happen today. How will Kerry's choice be viewed by Republicans and Democrats? A look from the right and the left when we come back.

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COSTELLO: Democrats, are you excited this morning? John Kerry is set to announce his running mate. It's supposed to happen at 9:00 a.m. Eastern in Pittsburgh, and that is our hot talker for Tuesday.

Joining us in our studios, liberal talk master Mike Malloy, and conservative talk master Martha Zoller. She's in for Neal Boortz today.

Welcome to you both.

MARTHA ZOLLER, CONSERVATIVE TALK SHOW HOST: Good morning.

MIKE MALLOY, LIBERAL TALK SHOW HOST: Hey, Carol.

COSTELLO: Martha, let's start with you. John Kerry has kept his choice top secret. He'll spring it at an adoring campaign rally today. A good strategy?

ZOLLER: Oh, absolutely it's a good strategy. They've gone as far having placards made up with all of the different names that are in consideration. I think that having this kind of momentum around it and the buzz around it is certainly going to help them.

We anticipate a bounce for Kerry leading up to the convention and afterward, and then there will be the bounce for President Bush and his convention. And then -- you know, then the race is on, as they say.

COSTELLO: As they say. Mike, will anyone be surprised by Kerry's choice in the end?

MALLOY: Probably so, Carol. And that raises an intriguing question for me: Why do we care about vice presidential choice? I don't think anyone in this country, Democrat or Republican, has ever voted for a candidate because of the person that candidate chose to be the No. 2 man.

And I think also it's important for these candidates to pick people who are less than they are, in some way, either personality- wise or in their approach to issues. For example, think about the people that Nixon picked, think about Johnson, who he picked, think about who...

COSTELLO: Dan Quayle?

MALLOY: Right. Think about...

COSTELLO: That was a big surprise.

MALLOY: The one to really think about is the one that Dick Cheney picked, so, you know, always pick...

COSTELLO: Well, actually you bring up Dick Cheney. And didn't Bush pick Dick Cheney because of his experience in government and military affairs?

MALLOY: Well...

ZOLLER: Well, he also headed up -- he headed up the list of who was looking, so we sort of had an inside track.

But, Mike, don't you think it's theater in a lot of ways? I mean, it's the closest thing you get to theater in a presidential campaign, because, you know, you're looking at this guy and you're thinking about how he balances out the other candidate. So, it's the closest thing to theater they're going to get until the convention.

MALLOY: Well, there's probably some truth to that. But, again, I don't think most voters pay that much attention to it, and I'm surprised both of you kind of missed what I said: 'The person that Cheney picked.'

COSTELLO: Oh!

ZOLLER: Right. I didn't miss it. That's why I said he headed up the committee.

MALLOY: You didn't want to comment, I can understand that. I can understand.

COSTELLO: But, you know, one thing, Mike, the media is certainly paying attention to John Kerry.

MALLOY: Right.

COSTELLO: And this will certainly turn the focus on him, and it's something that he has been lacking of late.

MALLOY: Well, for Democrats that's a good thing. And no offense to anybody in media, I work in media. But this is a media event, this selecting of -- or the anticipation for the vice presidential nominee or candidate. It is media-created.

Now, it does give both camps, as Carol pointed out, it does give both camps a bounce, a bump.

ZOLLER: Well, and it's sort of a step into the general campaign, where you're sort of starting to put your wares in front of both parties and independents a little more than you normally would. Teresa Heinz-Kerry said a couple of weeks ago, I'm not sure how John is doing because we're only seeing Democrats right now. And certainly during the convention that's who they're going to see.

But this vice president choice is going to give them a little opportunity to push themselves out in front of independents, and Republicans too.

COSTELLO: So, Mike, do the Bush people care who Kerry chooses?

MALLOY: I think they do. The southern strategy that was put together by Richard Nixon all those years ago to create wedge issues, to pull voters away from the Democrats to the Republicans, I think it matters if a southerner is picked. Obviously, the front runner I think for a lot of people is John Edwards.

So, it does make a difference, and I think the Bush campaign will be paying close attention, probably closer attention than the American public to who...

ZOLLER: Well, that's easy.

MALLOY: ... to who John Kerry picks.

COSTELLO: Well, we'll see what happens at 9:00 a.m. Eastern in Pittsburgh.

I want to turn the topic now to the insurgents and the -- well, they're thinking about giving some of the insurgents within Iraq amnesty, the new prime minister, the interim prime minister in Iraq. Is that a good idea, Martha?

ZOLLER: Well, I think the challenge here is that we have made Iraq a sovereign country, so at this point in time they're doing what they think is the right thing. I don't like the idea of insurgents that may have killed American soldiers getting amnesty, but that's something we will counsel with the Iraqi government about.

But they'll ultimately have to make that decision themselves. And I think that they feel that a lot of these people got dragged into these movements, and that maybe they really weren't opposed to the Iraqi government. And now that there's an Iraqi government, maybe they can bring them along.

I think it's a bad idea, but I think this is one of the things when you give a country sovereignty that you've got to let them work on their own.

COSTELLO: Mike? MALLOY: Had this occurred in our country, had we been invaded the way Iraq was invaded, regardless of what the reasons were, the people in our country who picked up arms and went after the invader would be considered heroes. I think it's absolutely necessary to have this amnesty. I'm reminded of what happened in South Africa once the apartheid government was overthrown and the truth and reconciliation hearings were put together.

So, it is necessary. It's a shame that we had to lose over 800 soldiers. It's a shame that thousands of Iraqis had to die for this adventure. But it's time now, I think, to go ahead and try to reconcile, try to offer amnesty. It's a good idea.

COSTELLO: Mike Malloy, Martha Zoller, thank you for joining DAYBREAK this morning.

MALLOY: Thanks, Carol.

ZOLLER: Thanks.

COSTELLO: Let's head live to New York now to check in with Bill and Heidi to see what's coming up on "AMERICAN MORNING."

Good morning.

BILL HEMMER, CNN ANCHOR: Guess what we're talking about?

COSTELLO: John Kerry's running mate?

HEIDI COLLINS, CNN ANCHOR: Yes.

HEMMER: That's the only guess you get, Carol.

COLLINS: Something like that. It's going to be an obvious headline this morning, Carol. You've already been talking about it quite a bit. John Kerry is going to announce his vice presidential candidate this morning, probably in the 9:00 hour. We're, of course, going to have that live for you.

We've been talking about how important the pick is, so we'll be speaking with Jeff Greenfield and Bill Schneider on that. Lots of different guesses going around.

HEMMER: There's a whole long list of folks, too.

COLLINS: Yes.

HEMMER: Also from Iraq today, the status of that captured Marine. He might be free. The family is waiting for confirmation minute by minute out in Utah, where they live. We'll have a look at that this morning as well.

COLLINS: We will also be looking at the Peterson trial once again. The trial resumes today, and prosecution star witness Amber Frey to testify very soon. What can she say to bolster the case? We're going to talk to Jeffrey Toobin about that. HEMMER: After a long weekend off, too, in that case.

COLLINS: Yes, this is true. So, that and more, Carol, it's all ahead on "AMERICAN MORNING."

COSTELLO: OK, I'll be right here listening.

COLLINS: All right, Carol.

COSTELLO: Thank you, Bill and Heidi.

COLLINS: Thanks.

COSTELLO: Still to come on DAYBREAK, it is that time again. Call them brave or call them foolish, but every year they just can't resist the thrill of the chase in Pamplona, Spain. We'll take you to the kickoff party for the running of the bulls.

That's coming up on DAYBREAK.

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COSTELLO: It is that time of year again, time for hundreds of crazy people to run through the streets of Pamplona, Spain, while being chased by a herd of very angry bulls. One of those crazy people, John Hollander, who has also written a book about his experiences at festival, he joins us live by phone from Pamplona, where it's one day and counting until the bulls come on running.

Welcome.

JIM HOLLANDER, PHOTOGRAPHER: Thank you. Hello.

COSTELLO: You've done this a lot, Jim.

HOLLANDER: Yes. I've been here -- oh, this is my 36th year at San Fermin.

COSTELLO: So, why do people do this?

HOLLANDER: Well, because I guess there's a wide assortment of reasons. The running of the bulls is an extremely exciting, adrenaline-filled thing to do. But, of course, there are a lot of other things to do in San Fermin during the week-long fiesta. There is great food, great wine, wonderful people. The people of Pamplona are extremely generous and open-hearted. And it's just a great fiesta.

COSTELLO: We're taking a look at some of the pictures you take every year at the running of the bulls. Those are fantastic pictures. You really put yourself in danger, it seems.

HOLLANDER: Well, thank you. Sometimes. Usually the press photographers have a place to position themselves behind a fence. So, it's relatively safe, but something could always happen. But when I was younger, I used to run the bulls. I had run the bulls for about 90 times before I sort of retired and took up photography. So, maybe I sensed a little of where the bulls might be best and where they might do something a little more emotional than other places. So...

COSTELLO: So, you're running with...

HOLLANDER: But it's...

COSTELLO: You're running with hundreds of other people. How many bulls are released into the streets?

HOLLANDER: There are six bulls that are released each morning in the fiesta, so there are eight different emciettos (ph), it's called, the running of the bulls. It takes place exactly at 8:00 in the morning. And they let out six fighting bulls.

COSTELLO: Is there...

HOLLANDER: These are not domesticated animals. These are wild bulls.

COSTELLO: Oh. Oh, my goodness!

HOLLANDER: And they do that every morning for the fiesta, so there are eight different runs. And actually the running of the bulls is an ancient means of getting the bulls from the corrals outside of town to the bull rings, where they will be fought and killed.

So, each bull -- the six bulls run in the morning. They're accompanied by five or six steers, which basically keep them herding together and keep it much safer. And then those bulls are killed in the afternoon in the bullfight. And then the next morning, six different bulls run again to the bull ring, and then they're killed that afternoon.

COSTELLO: You know, that just seems cruel at face value.

HOLLANDER: What, the bullfight itself?

COSTELLO: Well, no, the bulls, the treatment of the bulls.

HOLLANDER: Well, there are sort of norms in the running of the bulls. One should not call attention for the bull. You're not allowed to touch the bulls. You're not allowed to district them from their run. You have to understand the bulls are running through a city street for the first time in their life. The bulls have grown up for four and a half years in a very pastoral setting and beautiful countryside.

And then they run the bulls in the morning to the bull ring, and it takes about between two and a half minutes and three and a half minutes, and they are petrified. The bulls are as scared as the people.

So, the bulls want to stay together with their brothers. So, it's really not cruel for them. They're not hurt. Nobody wants to see a bull injured at all. And the worst that happens usually is one or two fall down, and then they get up and they see where their brothers are, and they continue on the path.

COSTELLO: Well, last question...

HOLLANDER: It's more dangerous for the runners.

COSTELLO: A last question for you, Jim.

HOLLANDER: Yes.

COSTELLO: Protesters are there, and supposedly they're partially naked and protesting the running of the bulls. Do you see any of them? Oh, there are some pictures of them now. Do you see them?

HOLLANDER: Yes, they did that yesterday. The people from the PETA organization have a protest. This is the third year they did it, where they tried to -- they took off all of their clothes and protest against what they call the torture of the bullfight.

And the police were restraining them yesterday, and said you can march and you can be, you know, on the streets, but you have to be decent. We don't want to see any -- you know, there are children here and women and older men, and you're not to make a scene of it. So, they kept their clothes on, sort of bathing suits and underwear.

COSTELLO: Yes, we saw the underwear and the strategically-placed signs as well. Jim Hollander live from Pamplona. Thank you very much for joining DAYBREAK this morning.

Chad, you love this pictures, don't you?

CHAD MYERS, CNN METEOROLOGIST: We'll be right back with the coffee mug.

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COSTELLO: It is that time to give away a DAYBREAK coffee mug.

MYERS: Is that it right there?

COSTELLO: Oh, no. We're giving away my paper cup this morning.

MYERS: She's giving away the paper cup.

Here it is, the questions and the answers from yesterday. What city just opened the first subway system? The answer to that question was Bangkok. And what is the name of the flower that we showed you on the "Photo of the Day?" And that was the blooming water lotus.

And the winner, Leilani Devries from Sudbury, Ontario, Canada.

COSTELLO: Congratulations. And what a beautiful name.

MYERS: Leilani.

COSTELLO: That is a beautiful name.

MYERS: It sounds like you belong in, like, Hawaii.

COSTELLO: I know. I thought you were going to say Honolulu.

MYERS: Exactly. A very pretty name.

And now the questions for today. And I must remind you, you have to answer them both.

Where in London -- where in London is the Princess Diana of Wales memorial fountain? And, we just gave you this one. How many times will the bulls run during this year's festival in Pamplona?

The answers tomorrow. Give me both answers, your name and address to daybreak@CNN.com.

COSTELLO: That second question is hard.

MYERS: The second one?

COSTELLO: Yes.

MYERS: How many times?

COSTELLO: Yes.

MYERS: You just talked to that guy about it.

COSTELLO: I don't even remember that.

MYERS: Oh. I heard him say it like 10 times.

COSTELLO: Daybreak@CNN.com. I'm Carol Costello, along with Chad Myers.

MYERS: Severe weather...

COSTELLO: Go ahead.

MYERS: Severe weather breaking on the Plains. We'll have more on that on "AMERICAN MORNING."

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Aired July 6, 2004 - 06:30   ET
THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.
CAROL COSTELLO, CNN ANCHOR: Tribute to a princess marked by a rare public statement from Queen Elizabeth. You're looking at live pictures of the Princess Diana memorial fountain in Hyde Park, London.
It is Tuesday, July 6. This is DAYBREAK.

And good morning to you from the CNN Global Headquarters in Atlanta. I'm Carol Costello. Let me bring you up to date right now with the latest headlines.

This may be the day. Senator John Kerry is expected to announce his pick for vice president in just three and a half hours from now. CNN will be at that Pittsburgh rally, and we'll bring you extensive live coverage.

Four Palestinians and one Israeli soldier have been killed in heavy fighting in the West Bank. The Israeli military was conducting an arrest operation at a refugee camp when that fighting broke out.

In money news, Delta Airlines is reportedly going to ask its pilots for over a billion dollars in concessions. "USA Today" reports that would cut pilot labor costs almost in half.

In culture, it is a losing battle. A study has found that parents try but fail to limit their children's exposure to violence on TV and in video games. The study looked at health clinics in the nation's capital.

And in sports, L.A. pitcher Eric Gagne's streak is over. Gagne had 84 consecutive saves through last night, but then he lost a 5-3 lead against the Arizona Diamondbacks. The Dodgers still won 6-5 after rallying in the 10th inning.

(WEATHER BREAK)

COSTELLO: It's a fountain, it's a child's playground, it's a memorial to Princess Diana. And, oh, yes, it's controversial, and not only for its design but for who showed up to unveil it today.

Let's take you live to London and Paula Hancocks. Although the queen said some very nice things about the princess.

PAULA HANCOCKS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: That's right, Carol. Yes. Good morning from London.

She made a speech just about 15 minutes ago and officially opened the Diana Princess of Wales memorial fountain. She did have some very nice things to say about Diana. She talked a little bit about the extraordinary sense of loss and grief that they felt in the days just after learning about her death almost seven years ago now in that car crash in Paris.

She also said that she would like to open the memorial on behalf of the royal family and also on behalf of Earl Spencer. Now, this is Diana's brother who has not exactly got on well with the royal family in the past. If you'll remember at the funeral back in 1997 at Westminster Abbey, Earl Spencer made a very bitter speech about the way that Diana was treated during her life.

But the queen did make quite a short speech and did say that Diana touched the lives of many people that she met and also had the capacity to change the lives of many people that she met. But she also did acknowledge that they didn't always see eye to eye.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

QUEEN ELIZABETH, II, BRITAIN: Of course, there were difficult times, but memories mellow with the passing of the years. I remember especially the happiness she gave to my two grandsons. Such memories are most people's memorials, (UNINTELLIGIBLE) live on in those have helped to shape in life. But for some exceptional people there is a need for something more, a permanent and more public recognition.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

HANCOCKS: The queen was also joined by her husband, the duke of Edinburgh, also Diana's former husband, Prince Charles, and her sons, Princes William and Harry. They're just behind me at the moment in a marquee, where they're having refreshments, meeting the designers of this fountain, which has been controversial. It's been mixed criticism and praise over the last week or so since the opening about last Tuesday. The official opening, though, coming today.

Now, it's a water fountain, which shows different stages of Diana Princess of Wales' life. There are choppy parts of the water. It's supposed to show her turbulent married and public life. And then it ends up in a very cool and calm pond at the bottom, which is supposed to show the peace and tranquility that she got in later life. Also at the bottom in that pond children will be able to paddle in, showing her love of children -- that's what the designers say -- showing, mirroring the cycles of Diana's live.

Now, just in about 10 or 15 minutes or so the royal family will come out of the marquee and will walk and greet the crowd behind me. There are about 320 official guests, members of the royal family, of the Spencer family and of the designer. And, of course, a tremendous amount of public have turned up as well, and they have been applauding rapturously.

Back to you.

COSTELLO: Paula Hancocks live in Hyde Park in London. Thank you. John Kerry, well, he's been very tight-lipped about his pick for a running mate, but that is about to change. He is expected to make his choice this morning at a Pittsburgh rally. Most of the speculation has centered on Senator John Edwards of North Carolina, Representative Dick Gephardt of Missouri and Iowa Governor Tom Vilsack.

President Bush, well, it's his birthday today. He turns 58, and there is no word on how he will celebrate, but it looks like he will spend his birthday working. He has an Oval Office meeting planned with the prime minister of Iceland.

And this week, we'll hear from the Senate panel looking into prewar intelligence on Iraq's alleged weapons of mass destruction, and what we could find out could prove damning for the CIA.

CNN's Dick Uliano joins us live by phone from Washington with what we can expect in that report.

Good morning.

DICK ULIANO, CNN RADIO CORRESPONDENT: Good morning to you, Carol.

Well, the Senate Intelligence Committee spent more than a year looking into prewar intelligence that estimated Iraq had weapons of mass destruction, and a survey of Iraq has turned up no such weapons.

And we have to remember Congress backed the war based on the Bush administration's justification that the United States needed to secure weapons of mass destruction, so that Saddam would not transfer them to terrorists who could use them inside the United States, leaving no fingerprints.

But earlier this year, former chief weapons inspector David Kay told Congress, we were probably all wrong about weapons of mass destruction. And the Senate Intelligence Committee that's been looking into this for more than a year will issue its final report. That's expected to be released here in Washington on Thursday -- Carol.

COSTELLO: So, Dick, will this report pin the blame solely on the CIA?

ULIANO: Well, actually the Senate Intelligence Committee chairman, Pat Roberts, a Republican from Kansas, told reporters last week it was a worldwide intelligence failure, but that's not going to let the CIA off the hook. Roberts points out that although the failure was worldwide, you have to remember that CIA Director George Tenet had assured President Bush, according to the Bob Woodward book, that it was a slam dunk that Iraq had such weapons.

Tons of chemical and biological weapons was the story, but no such weapons have been found in Iraq, and the report is going to deal with that.

COSTELLO: So, I guess we don't have to wonder anymore why George Tenet stepped down.

ULIANO: Well, Tenet stepped down earlier this year, and he had served a term. He said it was for family reasons. But certainly he knew well that this committee report was coming and other criticism of the CIA expected in the months ahead and as we approached the November elections, criticism expected.

By the way, the committee also says, Carol, very disappointed the CIA has blacked out many of the details in the report, saying it's classified information.

COSTELLO: Interesting. Dick Uliano from CNN Radio joining us live on the phone from Washington this morning. Thank you.

Still to come on DAYBREAK, "Today's Talker." Should Iraq's new government cut a deal with insurgents?

And John Kerry's running mate. An announcement could happen today. How will Kerry's choice be viewed by Republicans and Democrats? A look from the right and the left when we come back.

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COSTELLO: Democrats, are you excited this morning? John Kerry is set to announce his running mate. It's supposed to happen at 9:00 a.m. Eastern in Pittsburgh, and that is our hot talker for Tuesday.

Joining us in our studios, liberal talk master Mike Malloy, and conservative talk master Martha Zoller. She's in for Neal Boortz today.

Welcome to you both.

MARTHA ZOLLER, CONSERVATIVE TALK SHOW HOST: Good morning.

MIKE MALLOY, LIBERAL TALK SHOW HOST: Hey, Carol.

COSTELLO: Martha, let's start with you. John Kerry has kept his choice top secret. He'll spring it at an adoring campaign rally today. A good strategy?

ZOLLER: Oh, absolutely it's a good strategy. They've gone as far having placards made up with all of the different names that are in consideration. I think that having this kind of momentum around it and the buzz around it is certainly going to help them.

We anticipate a bounce for Kerry leading up to the convention and afterward, and then there will be the bounce for President Bush and his convention. And then -- you know, then the race is on, as they say.

COSTELLO: As they say. Mike, will anyone be surprised by Kerry's choice in the end?

MALLOY: Probably so, Carol. And that raises an intriguing question for me: Why do we care about vice presidential choice? I don't think anyone in this country, Democrat or Republican, has ever voted for a candidate because of the person that candidate chose to be the No. 2 man.

And I think also it's important for these candidates to pick people who are less than they are, in some way, either personality- wise or in their approach to issues. For example, think about the people that Nixon picked, think about Johnson, who he picked, think about who...

COSTELLO: Dan Quayle?

MALLOY: Right. Think about...

COSTELLO: That was a big surprise.

MALLOY: The one to really think about is the one that Dick Cheney picked, so, you know, always pick...

COSTELLO: Well, actually you bring up Dick Cheney. And didn't Bush pick Dick Cheney because of his experience in government and military affairs?

MALLOY: Well...

ZOLLER: Well, he also headed up -- he headed up the list of who was looking, so we sort of had an inside track.

But, Mike, don't you think it's theater in a lot of ways? I mean, it's the closest thing you get to theater in a presidential campaign, because, you know, you're looking at this guy and you're thinking about how he balances out the other candidate. So, it's the closest thing to theater they're going to get until the convention.

MALLOY: Well, there's probably some truth to that. But, again, I don't think most voters pay that much attention to it, and I'm surprised both of you kind of missed what I said: 'The person that Cheney picked.'

COSTELLO: Oh!

ZOLLER: Right. I didn't miss it. That's why I said he headed up the committee.

MALLOY: You didn't want to comment, I can understand that. I can understand.

COSTELLO: But, you know, one thing, Mike, the media is certainly paying attention to John Kerry.

MALLOY: Right.

COSTELLO: And this will certainly turn the focus on him, and it's something that he has been lacking of late.

MALLOY: Well, for Democrats that's a good thing. And no offense to anybody in media, I work in media. But this is a media event, this selecting of -- or the anticipation for the vice presidential nominee or candidate. It is media-created.

Now, it does give both camps, as Carol pointed out, it does give both camps a bounce, a bump.

ZOLLER: Well, and it's sort of a step into the general campaign, where you're sort of starting to put your wares in front of both parties and independents a little more than you normally would. Teresa Heinz-Kerry said a couple of weeks ago, I'm not sure how John is doing because we're only seeing Democrats right now. And certainly during the convention that's who they're going to see.

But this vice president choice is going to give them a little opportunity to push themselves out in front of independents, and Republicans too.

COSTELLO: So, Mike, do the Bush people care who Kerry chooses?

MALLOY: I think they do. The southern strategy that was put together by Richard Nixon all those years ago to create wedge issues, to pull voters away from the Democrats to the Republicans, I think it matters if a southerner is picked. Obviously, the front runner I think for a lot of people is John Edwards.

So, it does make a difference, and I think the Bush campaign will be paying close attention, probably closer attention than the American public to who...

ZOLLER: Well, that's easy.

MALLOY: ... to who John Kerry picks.

COSTELLO: Well, we'll see what happens at 9:00 a.m. Eastern in Pittsburgh.

I want to turn the topic now to the insurgents and the -- well, they're thinking about giving some of the insurgents within Iraq amnesty, the new prime minister, the interim prime minister in Iraq. Is that a good idea, Martha?

ZOLLER: Well, I think the challenge here is that we have made Iraq a sovereign country, so at this point in time they're doing what they think is the right thing. I don't like the idea of insurgents that may have killed American soldiers getting amnesty, but that's something we will counsel with the Iraqi government about.

But they'll ultimately have to make that decision themselves. And I think that they feel that a lot of these people got dragged into these movements, and that maybe they really weren't opposed to the Iraqi government. And now that there's an Iraqi government, maybe they can bring them along.

I think it's a bad idea, but I think this is one of the things when you give a country sovereignty that you've got to let them work on their own.

COSTELLO: Mike? MALLOY: Had this occurred in our country, had we been invaded the way Iraq was invaded, regardless of what the reasons were, the people in our country who picked up arms and went after the invader would be considered heroes. I think it's absolutely necessary to have this amnesty. I'm reminded of what happened in South Africa once the apartheid government was overthrown and the truth and reconciliation hearings were put together.

So, it is necessary. It's a shame that we had to lose over 800 soldiers. It's a shame that thousands of Iraqis had to die for this adventure. But it's time now, I think, to go ahead and try to reconcile, try to offer amnesty. It's a good idea.

COSTELLO: Mike Malloy, Martha Zoller, thank you for joining DAYBREAK this morning.

MALLOY: Thanks, Carol.

ZOLLER: Thanks.

COSTELLO: Let's head live to New York now to check in with Bill and Heidi to see what's coming up on "AMERICAN MORNING."

Good morning.

BILL HEMMER, CNN ANCHOR: Guess what we're talking about?

COSTELLO: John Kerry's running mate?

HEIDI COLLINS, CNN ANCHOR: Yes.

HEMMER: That's the only guess you get, Carol.

COLLINS: Something like that. It's going to be an obvious headline this morning, Carol. You've already been talking about it quite a bit. John Kerry is going to announce his vice presidential candidate this morning, probably in the 9:00 hour. We're, of course, going to have that live for you.

We've been talking about how important the pick is, so we'll be speaking with Jeff Greenfield and Bill Schneider on that. Lots of different guesses going around.

HEMMER: There's a whole long list of folks, too.

COLLINS: Yes.

HEMMER: Also from Iraq today, the status of that captured Marine. He might be free. The family is waiting for confirmation minute by minute out in Utah, where they live. We'll have a look at that this morning as well.

COLLINS: We will also be looking at the Peterson trial once again. The trial resumes today, and prosecution star witness Amber Frey to testify very soon. What can she say to bolster the case? We're going to talk to Jeffrey Toobin about that. HEMMER: After a long weekend off, too, in that case.

COLLINS: Yes, this is true. So, that and more, Carol, it's all ahead on "AMERICAN MORNING."

COSTELLO: OK, I'll be right here listening.

COLLINS: All right, Carol.

COSTELLO: Thank you, Bill and Heidi.

COLLINS: Thanks.

COSTELLO: Still to come on DAYBREAK, it is that time again. Call them brave or call them foolish, but every year they just can't resist the thrill of the chase in Pamplona, Spain. We'll take you to the kickoff party for the running of the bulls.

That's coming up on DAYBREAK.

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COSTELLO: It is that time of year again, time for hundreds of crazy people to run through the streets of Pamplona, Spain, while being chased by a herd of very angry bulls. One of those crazy people, John Hollander, who has also written a book about his experiences at festival, he joins us live by phone from Pamplona, where it's one day and counting until the bulls come on running.

Welcome.

JIM HOLLANDER, PHOTOGRAPHER: Thank you. Hello.

COSTELLO: You've done this a lot, Jim.

HOLLANDER: Yes. I've been here -- oh, this is my 36th year at San Fermin.

COSTELLO: So, why do people do this?

HOLLANDER: Well, because I guess there's a wide assortment of reasons. The running of the bulls is an extremely exciting, adrenaline-filled thing to do. But, of course, there are a lot of other things to do in San Fermin during the week-long fiesta. There is great food, great wine, wonderful people. The people of Pamplona are extremely generous and open-hearted. And it's just a great fiesta.

COSTELLO: We're taking a look at some of the pictures you take every year at the running of the bulls. Those are fantastic pictures. You really put yourself in danger, it seems.

HOLLANDER: Well, thank you. Sometimes. Usually the press photographers have a place to position themselves behind a fence. So, it's relatively safe, but something could always happen. But when I was younger, I used to run the bulls. I had run the bulls for about 90 times before I sort of retired and took up photography. So, maybe I sensed a little of where the bulls might be best and where they might do something a little more emotional than other places. So...

COSTELLO: So, you're running with...

HOLLANDER: But it's...

COSTELLO: You're running with hundreds of other people. How many bulls are released into the streets?

HOLLANDER: There are six bulls that are released each morning in the fiesta, so there are eight different emciettos (ph), it's called, the running of the bulls. It takes place exactly at 8:00 in the morning. And they let out six fighting bulls.

COSTELLO: Is there...

HOLLANDER: These are not domesticated animals. These are wild bulls.

COSTELLO: Oh. Oh, my goodness!

HOLLANDER: And they do that every morning for the fiesta, so there are eight different runs. And actually the running of the bulls is an ancient means of getting the bulls from the corrals outside of town to the bull rings, where they will be fought and killed.

So, each bull -- the six bulls run in the morning. They're accompanied by five or six steers, which basically keep them herding together and keep it much safer. And then those bulls are killed in the afternoon in the bullfight. And then the next morning, six different bulls run again to the bull ring, and then they're killed that afternoon.

COSTELLO: You know, that just seems cruel at face value.

HOLLANDER: What, the bullfight itself?

COSTELLO: Well, no, the bulls, the treatment of the bulls.

HOLLANDER: Well, there are sort of norms in the running of the bulls. One should not call attention for the bull. You're not allowed to touch the bulls. You're not allowed to district them from their run. You have to understand the bulls are running through a city street for the first time in their life. The bulls have grown up for four and a half years in a very pastoral setting and beautiful countryside.

And then they run the bulls in the morning to the bull ring, and it takes about between two and a half minutes and three and a half minutes, and they are petrified. The bulls are as scared as the people.

So, the bulls want to stay together with their brothers. So, it's really not cruel for them. They're not hurt. Nobody wants to see a bull injured at all. And the worst that happens usually is one or two fall down, and then they get up and they see where their brothers are, and they continue on the path.

COSTELLO: Well, last question...

HOLLANDER: It's more dangerous for the runners.

COSTELLO: A last question for you, Jim.

HOLLANDER: Yes.

COSTELLO: Protesters are there, and supposedly they're partially naked and protesting the running of the bulls. Do you see any of them? Oh, there are some pictures of them now. Do you see them?

HOLLANDER: Yes, they did that yesterday. The people from the PETA organization have a protest. This is the third year they did it, where they tried to -- they took off all of their clothes and protest against what they call the torture of the bullfight.

And the police were restraining them yesterday, and said you can march and you can be, you know, on the streets, but you have to be decent. We don't want to see any -- you know, there are children here and women and older men, and you're not to make a scene of it. So, they kept their clothes on, sort of bathing suits and underwear.

COSTELLO: Yes, we saw the underwear and the strategically-placed signs as well. Jim Hollander live from Pamplona. Thank you very much for joining DAYBREAK this morning.

Chad, you love this pictures, don't you?

CHAD MYERS, CNN METEOROLOGIST: We'll be right back with the coffee mug.

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COSTELLO: It is that time to give away a DAYBREAK coffee mug.

MYERS: Is that it right there?

COSTELLO: Oh, no. We're giving away my paper cup this morning.

MYERS: She's giving away the paper cup.

Here it is, the questions and the answers from yesterday. What city just opened the first subway system? The answer to that question was Bangkok. And what is the name of the flower that we showed you on the "Photo of the Day?" And that was the blooming water lotus.

And the winner, Leilani Devries from Sudbury, Ontario, Canada.

COSTELLO: Congratulations. And what a beautiful name.

MYERS: Leilani.

COSTELLO: That is a beautiful name.

MYERS: It sounds like you belong in, like, Hawaii.

COSTELLO: I know. I thought you were going to say Honolulu.

MYERS: Exactly. A very pretty name.

And now the questions for today. And I must remind you, you have to answer them both.

Where in London -- where in London is the Princess Diana of Wales memorial fountain? And, we just gave you this one. How many times will the bulls run during this year's festival in Pamplona?

The answers tomorrow. Give me both answers, your name and address to daybreak@CNN.com.

COSTELLO: That second question is hard.

MYERS: The second one?

COSTELLO: Yes.

MYERS: How many times?

COSTELLO: Yes.

MYERS: You just talked to that guy about it.

COSTELLO: I don't even remember that.

MYERS: Oh. I heard him say it like 10 times.

COSTELLO: Daybreak@CNN.com. I'm Carol Costello, along with Chad Myers.

MYERS: Severe weather...

COSTELLO: Go ahead.

MYERS: Severe weather breaking on the Plains. We'll have more on that on "AMERICAN MORNING."

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