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AMERICAN MORNING

9/11 Report: The Military; Missing Jogger; '90-Second Pop'

Aired July 23, 2004 - 07:30   ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.


BILL HEMMER, CNN ANCHOR: All right, 7:30 here in New York on Friday morning. Hope you're having a good one out there. We're getting here. Good morning, Heidi.
HEIDI COLLINS, CNN ANCHOR: Good morning.

HEMMER: How are you today?

COLLINS: I'm doing great.

HEMMER: The close of the week, huh?

COLLINS: Oh, yes!

HEMMER: We you like that.

COLLINS: Yes, we do.

HEMMER: In a moment here, some of the most highly-trained members of the U.S. military could get new marching orders if these recommendations from the commission from yesterday are approved.

Barbara Starr is standing by at the Pentagon with a new report on the impact of some key restructuring proposals, what it could mean for the U.S. military. Could it make it more effective? We'll get to that.

COLLINS: Also in a few minutes, we'll go back to the missing woman case in Utah. Some new developments to tell you all about. We're also going to be talking to a close friend of Lori Hacking and get her reaction to some of what is being said, as well as talk to Ed Smart, father of Elizabeth Smart, who disappeared in that city. You see them there life.

HEMMER: Also about 20 minutes away now, "90-Second Pop" today. Is it a change of heart for the "CSI" actor George Eads. Am I right, Heidi?

COLLINS: Yes.

HEMMER: Yes.

COLLINS: Or just maybe an alarm clock?

HEMMER: Yes, maybe.

COLLINS: Yes. HEMMER: We'll talk about the attempts to get him unfired.

COLLINS: Huh.

HEMMER: Do you know about this?

COLLINS: I don't know about this.

HEMMER: I don't really care.

COLLINS: A lot people watch that show, yes.

HEMMER: Stay tuned.

COLLINS: All right. We are going to move on for now, though, to the 9/11 report and details. It details a number of intelligence failures before the terror attacks, and recommends a number of changes, of course.

Among them: bringing together the counterterrorism efforts of the CIA, FBI, Defense and Homeland Security Departments under one roof; the naming of a national intelligence director to oversee all of those agencies and report directly to the president; plus, creating permanent oversight committees for homeland security in each house of Congress.

So, how would these recommendations affect U.S. military efforts? Well, Barbara Starr is answering that question for us. She is live at the Pentagon once again this morning.

Good morning -- Barbara.

BARBARA STARR, CNN PENTAGON CORRESPONDENT: Good morning to you, Heidi.

Well, the Pentagon and Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld actually control about 80 percent of the $40 billion intelligence budget. The commission says some of those programs and operations could be better organized.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

STARR (voice over): Within weeks of the 9/11 attacks, CIA operatives and military special operations forces secretly moved into Afghanistan, paving the way for the war to begin against al Qaeda. While the CIA and Pentagon commandos had great success gathering and equipping Afghan Northern Alliance forces to fight, the independent commission says the shortcomings before 9/11 are clear.

THOMAS KEAN (R), COMMISSION CHAIR: Our military forces and covert action capabilities did not have the options on the table to defeat al Qaeda or kill or capture either bin Laden or his top lieutenants.

STARR: The commission is now calling for all paramilitary operations to be consolidated at the Pentagon. The commission saying, the United States cannot afford to build two separate capabilities for carrying out separate military operations, secretly operating standoff missiles, and secretly training foreign military or paramilitary forces.

Special operations forces have been given increased authority to operate in recent years, and top Pentagon officials told the commission earlier this year they work well with the CIA.

GEN. RICHARD MYERS, JOINT CHIEF CHAIRMAN: Teamwork is pretty darn good, actually.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

STARR: But, Heidi, the goal still remains, according to the commission, better organized paramilitary operations share intelligence across the government --- Heidi.

COLLINS: All right, Barbara Starr, thanks so much for that, live from the Pentagon this morning.

HEMMER: Heidi, about 27 minutes now before the hour. Some curious stories about the actions of Mark Hacking after reporting his wife missing on Monday morning. The "Salt Lake Tribune" reports that Hacking bought a mattress 30 minutes before informing police about Lori's disappearance. A box spring was confiscated from the Hacking apartment.

There's another report that says police responded to a disturbance involving Hacking at a Salt Lake City hotel on Monday night hours after she disappeared.

Twenty-seven-year-old Lori Hacking has not been seen since she apparently went out for a job in Salt Lake early Monday morning.

Lori's close friend, coworker and running partner, Elizabeth Read, is with us today. Also Ed Smart, the father of Elizabeth Smart who is helping with that search. Both are live in Salt Lake.

And we appreciate your time. I know it's tough going out there throughout the week here.

But, Elizabeth, it's my understanding the last time you saw Lori was on Friday evening. What was your conversation about?

ELIZABETH READ, MISSING JOGGER'S FRIEND: Well, we had gone up to another coworker's cabin, and, you know, it was a going away party. So, you know, we talked about work and we talked about, you know, just their move to North Carolina. And she was excited about it.

HEMMER: Did you know she was pregnant?

READ: I did know she was pregnant. I found out last Thursday that she was pregnant.

HEMMER: Yes. Did they talk about having children?

READ: Yes, they did. I know that they were -- they were trying to have a family.

HEMMER: What do you make, Elizabeth, of the reports we have now about him lying about medical school, these reports about a hotel disturbance, a mattress that was purchased on Monday morning? Can you make sense of this? Is there any explanation you can offer?

READ: No. I mean, I think, like everyone, I'm shocked. I have no reason to believe, you know, that Mark had anything to do with Lori. And I think we just need, really, to return the focus to Lori. You know, her car was found in Memory Grove. It's a place she runs three to four times a week. And, you know, she's still out there, and we just -- you know, we need to find her.

HEMMER: I know as a coworker and a jogging partner, you were quite close with her. Were you close to Mark?

READ: No, I wasn't close to Mark. They work different schedules, and he worked from 3:00 to midnight. She worked from 7:00 in the morning until 4:00 in the afternoon. And so, generally I saw Lori at work. And then in the evenings, you know, we would go either running or out to dinner.

HEMMER: Ed, thanks for your time this morning and thanks for coming on with us. Elizabeth, thank you.

READ: Thank you.

HEMMER: Ed, tell us about, with your own experience, what you can help people in Salt Lake during this search.

ED SMART, AIDING SEARCH FOR MISSING JOGGER: Well, you know, we just know that, you know, the person can be right in your back yard, and unless you're thoroughly covering the area, you can miss them. And that happens repeatedly in a number of investigations. And having people come out and help comb the area and re-comb the area is critical.

And, you know, the issues come up with family members. Of course, the family members are the first area that the law enforcement looks at in an investigation, and they have to do that. They have to do a thorough job. But it has to be done very quickly so that the family can be put out of the way, issues can be taken care of to focus on finding the person. Because in so many cases, these distractions or these other issues can take away from finding the person.

And, you know, time is of the essence. There's no question about that. And the family needs the support of the community, and we need to get back on finding Lori.

HEMMER: Yes. Ed, quickly in the time we have left here, have detectives told you or Elizabeth as well about new leads that they are tracking that will help you in your own search?

SMART: You know, I don't believe that a lot of leads come back to the center. The police are doing their investigation. It was never a point that they ever came back to ask for help, unless they found something very significant that they needed the public's help in finding.

So, I don't think that that is something that the family will hear very much from. I mean, they'll be, of course, kept up on factors in the investigation, but as far as participation from leads, that won't happen unless it's something substantial.

HEMMER: Well understood, absolutely. Our best to you, OK? Ed Smart, thanks. Elizabeth Read, appreciate your time today -- Heidi.

READ: Thank you.

SMART: Thanks.

COLLINS: Still to come on AMERICAN MORNING, another chapter in the Martha Stewart saga comes to a close. This time, it involves the man who helped convict the domestic diva.

Plus, some "90-Second Pop." Matt Damon is back with "The Bourne Supremacy." But this time around he's got a cat nipping at his heels. Stay with us on AMERICAN MORNING.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(WEATHER BREAK)

COLLINS: Let's check in with Jack now and the "Question of the Day."

JACK CAFFERTY, CNN ANCHOR: The 9/11 report, Heidi, is out. So, what happens next? Well, apparently nothing, because Congress says it just won't be able to give the time to address these recommendations in the report until next year. Got no time left this year. Only five and a half months left in the year.

The legislative agenda is already full. No time. Who sets the agenda? Well, Congress does. But you can be sure that Congress will find time to take their recesses and their breaks. And, of course, they'll all be scurrying about campaigning to be re-elected. They'll have time for that. But no time to act on the recommendations of the 9/11 Commission until next year (AUDIO GAP).

What should Congress do about the 9/11 report is the question?

Richard in New York: "There are only a portion of these that are actually airable. Some of them are filled with a lot of unseemly words about what Congress ought to do."

Richard in New York: "They should heave a sigh of relief. White-washing the outhouse with a broad brush doesn't make it smell any better. The unholy alliance of five programmed Republicans and five programmed Democrats was unwilling to point a finger at any of their involved brothers and sisters while they were giving it to the rest of us, the finger that is. What a fiasco."

Patrick in Cedar Park, Texas: "It's obvious that terrorism is not on the radar scope of the Republican leadership. I guess gay marriage is a greater threat than terrorism to our national security."

Tom writes from Knoxville, Iowa: "Get off their lazy, partisan, bickering derrieres and put the recommendations into effect now instead of waiting until after we get attacked again."

By the way, that's one of the things the 9/11 Commission suggests is that another attack will happen that will be worst than the last one.

And Doug in Bloomfield has the way government works down. He says: "After reading the report, Congress should establish a committee to create a commission to gather input from the answers to Jack's 'Question of the Day.'"

About these conventions, time was that there was actually news made at the political conventions. That doesn't happen anymore. So, have they, in fact, become long, empty advertisements? Well, yes! We'll talk about that this weekend on "IN THE MONEY" Saturday at 1:00, Sunday at 3:00. We invite you to join us. Spend your weekend watching "IN THE MONEY." There is nothing better you could be doing with your time, unless, of course, it would be contacting your senator or congressman and suggesting they do something for a change.

HEMMER: And they're all going home today, too, a recess.

CAFFERTY: Well, of course. Yes, they have time for that.

(CROSSTALK)

CAFFERTY: Why doesn't somebody say there is going to be a special session and we're going to deal with the security of this country. And until you do that, you're not going anywhere.

HEMMER: Bingo.

CAFFERTY: Huh?

HEMMER: Thank you, Jack.

In a moment here, looking for answers in the midst of wreckage, a massive derailment overseas. Details ahead as the toll numbers there continue to grow. Back in a moment.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

HEMMER: We're at 47 minutes past the hour. Back to Fredricka Whitfield with the other news today.

Fred -- good morning.

FREDRICKA WHITFIELD, CNN ANCHOR: Thanks again. Good morning to you again.

Two Americans were killed today in a roadside bombing in Iraq. The military said the convoy was struck in the city of Samarra north of Baghdad. Some 903 Americans have been killed in Iraq since the war began.

And in Baghdad, a minibus collided with a U.S. tank, killing 9 Iraqis and wounding 10 others. No American forces were injured in the incident.

Crews in Turkey are clearing the wreckage of a new high-speed train that derailed between Istanbul and Ankara. At least 36 people were killed and some 80 others injured yesterday when the train jumped the track. Investigators are looking at whether faulty train tracks or speed is to blame.

Congress has passed a resolution declaring the situation in Sudan's Darfur region a genocide. It's estimated that up to 30,000 people have been killed and more than a million left homeless by continuing violence there. The U.S. has also submitted a draft resolution to the U.N. Security Council threatening economic sanctions against the Sudanese government.

And finally, the government's star witness in the Martha Stewart trial is being sentenced today. Douglas Faneuil pleaded guilt to a misdemeanor for accepting bribes to keep quiet about the infamous ImClone stock sale. Faneuil is expected to receive probation from the same judge who sentenced Stewart last week.

Back to you -- Heidi.

COLLINS: All right, Fred, thanks so much for that. We'll check in with you in just a little while.

Still to come, some "90-Second Pop" to kick off your weekend. "Catwoman" breaks away from Batman on the big screen. But can she handle Matt Damon's new "Bourne" flick all by her lonesome? Stay with us on AMERICAN MORNING.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

COLLINS: Well, in guess you haven't guessed, it's time for our Friday edition of "90-Second Pop" with our stars of the show, Sarah Bernard of "New York" magazine, B.J. Sigesmund of "US Weekly," and Jessica Shaw with "Entertainment Weekly" magazine.

Thanks, guys. Nice to see you on a Friday.

JESSICA SHAW, "ENTERTAINMENT WEEKLY": You too.

COLLINS: We have lots to talk about. Let's get straight to "CSI." Oh my gosh! OK, first of all, one of the actors -- actresses or actors, I should say, is coming back.

SARAH BERNARD, "NEW YORK" MAGAZINE: Right.

COLLINS: Jorja Fox, she's coming back to the show after being fired. But George Eads, his situation has not changed...

BERNARD: Still up in the air.

COLLINS: ... except to say that the reason why he didn't show up is because his alarm clock didn't work.

BERNARD: We need to get this guy a new alarm clock, don't we?

(CROSSTALK)

SHAW: The contract is (UNINTELLIGIBLE).

BERNARD: Yes, he couldn't afford it. Well, what happens apparently in TV when you are in the middle of a contract negotiation, you just don't show up for work one day, and they understand that that means that you need more money. They actually got paid about 100,000 an episode. It wasn't enough, which equals 2 million a year, I might add.

COLLINS: Ah!

SHAW: And for what? Like, who even knew who these people were. They were such minor bit players.

BERNARD: I know. And the thing is that they are not -- Jorja Fox and George Eads, they are not the stars of the show. And so, this kind of strategy might have worked on a different kind of show. But it really is -- "CSI" is kind of like "Law & Order." It's more about the whole ensemble. It's more about the franchise. And they were just not popular enough.

COLLINS: It's a popular show, though, right?

BERNARD: Very popular.

B.J. SIGESMUND, "US WEEKLY": I love the alarm clock story, though. There is no way it's true. But what the alarm clock story did, though, his public apology made...

SHAW: What do you mean it's not?

SIGESMUND: His public apology, though, was a way of making amends with CBS, because Les Moonves, no one messes with him.

(CROSSTALK)

SIGESMUND: It was a way of making it possible. And now "Variety" is reporting that it looks like he is going to be coming back next week.

COLLINS: Oh, really? OK.

SHAW: Well, of course! I mean, I'm sure he was begging. That was his way of begging for his job back.

SIGESMUND: Right.

SHAW: And he was saying to the press...

COLLINS: Right. SHAW: ... you know, I tried to get in to see Les Moonves, but it's so hard to get in to see him. It's, like, honey, he doesn't want to see you!

(CROSSTALK)

SIGESMUND: And it's not like Steven Spielberg was asking him to be in his next movie.

SHAW: Right.

SIGESMUND: He's playing Evel Knievel on TNT.

COLLINS: Right. Well, you know, we'll have to wait to see what happens with this one. But there is another show out there right now called this "Fat Actress" with Kirstie Alley. Does anybody want to watch this show, do you think?

SHAW: Personally, I do.

COLLINS: Yes?

SHAW: I think this is the best career move for her to make. She's doing a show for Showtime, "Fat Actress," based on her own issues with weight and love and family and work.

BERNARD: It is a major problem.

COLLINS: Reality show or not?

SHAW: No, it's going to be a scripted show. And they start shooting in September. And I think, you know, more power to her. There are pictures in the tabloids of her every other week, you know, gobbling down In and Out burgers in her car.

SIGESMUND: Yes. I have to say, like, I don't think it's very promising, and I don't think many people are going to be watching this show. But a good thing about it is, it has a producer from "Curb Your Own Enthusiasm."

COLLINS: A great show.

SIGESMUND: So, it's going to be better than we think.

SHAW: (UNINTELLIGIBLE) from "Seventh Heaven."

BERNARD: Right.

SHAW: So, it's going to be a very weird...

BERNARD: Well, you know, I think for a while now actors have been doing this thing where when they're disgraced in some way, they go on "Saturday Night Live," like Paris Hilton did. They make fun of themselves a little bit.

(CROSSTALK) BERNARD: Right? That's kind of the formula.

SIGESMUND: But when is...

BERNARD: But this is taking it way too far.

SHAW: I think she's (UNINTELLIGIBLE).

BERNARD: I mean, this is like a cry for help!

SHAW: No, I think this is a great move.

BERNARD: This is not the...

SIGESMUND: I don't...

SHAW: I think this is like doing -- it's like Larry David doing "Curb."

COLLINS: Yes.

SHAW: It's sort of taking -- owning your own insanity and running with it and making money off of it, you know?

COLLINS: All right, B.J., I think I'm with you on this one.

Meanwhile, a couple of new movies are coming out this weekend.

SIGESMUND: Yes.

COLLINS: We're talking about "The Bourne Supremacy," Matt Damon. And the other movie...

SIGESMUND: "Catwoman."

COLLINS: ... is "Catwoman," all about Halle Berry...

SIGESMUND: Yes.

COLLINS: ... and the cat suit.

SIGESMUND: Exactly. Well, let's talk about Halle Berry and "Catwoman" first.

COLLINS: OK.

SIGESMUND: This has nothing in common with the Michelle Pfeiffer Catwoman that we saw in the "Batman" movie in the early '90s. This is a totally new concept. Halle Berry an ad director at a cosmetics company, who one day stumbles upon the secret of their new makeup, which is that it, (a), disfigures women, and, (b), gets them addicted to the makeup. And she gets killed because of this knowledge. But then a mysterious Egyptian cat brings her back to life as a half- feline, half-hybrid.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Come on! SIGESMUND: And she's out to wreak havoc on her killers, which include Sharon Stone.

SHAW: It's such a horrible story. I mean, Nicole Kidman turned this down. Like, this is the worst plot for a movie I have ever heard in...

COLLINS: Why did she pick it up?

SHAW: Twelve and a half million.

(CROSSTALK)

COLLINS: Oh, is that all.

BERNARD: I want to know why it's taking years and years to put a decent plot together for "Superman," right? And they just threw this together, and it needs some work.

SIGESMUND: Well, four writers wrote this movie. The rule of thumb should be the more writers on a script, the worse it's going to be. There are four writers on this.

COLLINS: (UNINTELLIGIBLE) so many cooks in the kitchen.

SHAW: And she doesn't show up in the cat suit until half an hour into the movie, which is -- that is really the only reason...

COLLINS: A lot of the guys...

SHAW: ... that people even want to go see that movie to begin with.

COLLINS: ... yes, are gone by then, right?

SHAW: Exactly.

SIGESMUND: Yes, yes. It's not going to do well.

BERNARD: They're getting popcorn.

COLLINS: All right, you guys, thanks so much, as always, for being with us. Sarah, B.J. and Jessica, thanks again -- Bill.

HEMMER: And on top of all of that, the trailers were terrible.

COLLINS: Yes.

HEMMER: Have you seen them?

BERNARD: Yes, you're right.

SIGESMUND: I'm not sure...

HEMMER: Not promising. Thanks, guys. In a moment here, the election is fast approaching. Will the recommendations in the final 9/11 report fall victim to politics? Former Senator Bob Kerrey, one of the 9/11 commissioners, is our guest live here in a moment on AMERICAN MORNING.

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