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Third Day of Jury Deliberations in Peterson Trial; "TIME" Magazine's Post-Election Issue; Elizabeth Edwards Undergoes More Cancer Tests; Blue State Blues

Aired November 05, 2004 - 11:30   ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.


DARYN KAGAN, CNN ANCHOR: And we're just at half past the hour. Hello, once again, I'm Daryn Kagan.
RICK SANCHEZ, CNN ANCHOR: Yes you are. And I'm Rick Sanchez. And here's what's happening in the news right now.

U.S. officials are telling CNN that Yasser Arafat is in a coma on life support and not expected to recover. Statements by Palestinian officials are more optimistic, though. They deny assertions by U.S. officials that Arafat is being kept alive, while funeral arraignments are being finalized. Israel has already said that the burial in Jerusalem will simply not be allowed. We'll follow it.

Also, if Arafat does die, Palestinian militants are vowing to fight on against Israel. Both Hamas and Islamic Jihad said today that Arafat's death would not end their intifada. They also vowed to maintain security in Palestinian legions in Arafat's absence.

Near Falluja in Iraq, CNN's Karl Penhaul embedded, reports that U.S. Military activity is increasing, signaling that ground forces could begin moving against insurgents at any time. Iraq's interim leader, who is in Brussels to meet with European and NATO leaders, also warned that time is running out for a peaceful resolution.

And in economic news, it's good -- 337,000 new jobs added last month. That's according to today's Labor Department statistics. It's nearly double what the Street had expected. Jobs grew in every sector except manufacturing. Construction got a boost because of the hurricanes that hit Florida and the rest of the southeast.

Keeping you informed, CNN, the most trusted name in news.

KAGAN: A third day of jury deliberations got underway this hour in the Scott Peterson double murder trial. Our Rusty Dornin is keeping watch at the courthouse this morning. She joins us from Redwood City, California. Good morning.

RUSTY DORNIN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, Daryn, they've been deliberating this morning for about 20 minutes. And as it turns out, when they reach a verdict -- of course, you always have to add if they reach a verdict -- there will be no cameras in the courtroom. We will hear it, but we won't see it.

The judge deciding to ban cameras, citing the family's privacy, and also citing concerns of a meltdown by family members when the verdict is announced.

Also, we understand yesterday that the jury did ask for some evidence. A source close to the case says it was photos of Laci and Scott Peterson's house, the inside of the house. Also, they did elect a foreman, that is juror number five. Now, this was the man who was the alternate that replaced the juror that was dismissed earlier in the case. He is a doctor and a lawyer for a biotech firm. This could be significant, because this man is trained in the law. He was also apparently trained as a pathologist.

When he left the courtroom to go to the deliberations, he was carrying about 12 notebooks underneath his arm. He has taken, you know, meticulous notes. You can bet it's going to be very methodical. He is going to be very cautious as he takes the other jurors through the case.

Now, if they do not reach a verdict today, they will go back -- they are sequestered -- they will go back to the hotel for the weekend, where they will be only allowed to watch movies and some sports. There will be no regular TV that they will be allowed to watch. And they will be back on Monday morning to begin deliberations again -- Daryn?

KAGAN: As will you, we suspect. Thank you for that. Rusty Dornin, from Redwood City, California.

SANCHEZ: Let's talk more about this. Let's try and break it down a little bit. And who better to do that with than former U.S. attorney and my old friend Kendall Coffey, talking about what's going on in the jury room right now. And he's joining us from my hometown. How are things in Miami, Kendall?

KENDALL COFFEY, FMR. U.S. ATTORNEY: Hey, things are great here, Rick. Good to be talking to you.

SANCHEZ: Hey, what do you make of this superjuror guy? As a lawyer, when these guys go into deliberation, what effect can somebody like this have, somebody who's -- they say he's taken 12 notebooks filled with notes on the trial. What does that mean?

COFFEY: Well, it means just as you say. He's going to be that superjuror that could decide the case one way or another. He's going to be very persuasive, Rick, for example on this big controversy, the medical controversy over time of death. Key point for the defense was that Laci Peterson had to have died sometime after December 24th, which would mean that the prosecution's theory had to be wrong.

He's also, I think, going to perhaps be helpful to the defense. And we don't know how he's going rule on that medical thing. It could be if he says as a former doctor that the defense is full of baloney, that could be curtains for Scott Peterson. He's also going make sure, I think, that the jury carefully follows the judge's instructions.

SANCHEZ: A lot of people aren't sitting there watching this case on Court TV every single day or reading up on it. So, bring us up to date. And here's the key question I think a lot of people would want to know: Is there any physical evidence that's not circumstantial against Scott Peterson?

COFFEY: The physical evidence is almost nonexistent. That single strand of hair of Laci Peterson on the pliers -- and since they were husband and wife, it's explainable in other ways. This was a circumstantial case entirely.

The prosecution did a skillful job of connecting the dots -- especially the ones, Rick, that wrote a circle around San Francisco Bay, the scene of Scott Peterson's gone fishing alibi for December 24th, the day she disappeared, and the same location where the bodies of Laci and Conner washed ashore four months later.

SANCHEZ: So, Geragos is going say to this jury -- in fact, already has -- "Look, he may be a bad guy. He's done some horrible things. He certainly wasn't a great husband. But he's not a killer, and you don't have any evidence that could make him a killer," right?

COFFEY: And he's hoping juror number five will say, "Think with your minds, not with your heart. Look at the holes in the prosecution's case. Is there reasonable doubt? Don't focus on what a bad guy Scott Peterson is." And that's where the defense, I think, is relying on it.

They talked before along the way about showing who might have actually done the crime. But there was no one-armed man theory, as we recall from the movie "The Fugitive" here. This was all a reasonable doubt case battering away at the holes and the weak links in the prosecution's theories.

SANCHEZ: Hey, Kendall, if he were your client, would you have put him on the stand?

COFFEY: I wouldn't have. I think he was so deceptive and would have been absolutely brutalized with all the inconsistencies. Scott Peterson came off, I think, lucky in the sense that at least his voice was heard on audiotape, Rick, denying that he had any involvement in the disappearance, denying that he had anything to do with it and talking about his love for Laci.

So, whatever he had to say that could have helped him, the jury already heard. Putting him on the stand would have been a disaster.

SANCHEZ: There's something, though, that could help him, and that is that I understand now this jury doesn't have to find him guilty of murder. They can find him guilty of a lesser charge, right? So, that kind of gives him an out.

COFFEY: A key thing. And Rick, if I were just to guess and speculate with you, I would tell you that's where the jury might end up. Motive was always a little weak here. I mean, did he really want to kill his wife and unborn son to be with Amber Frey? Wouldn't he have just divorced her?

And I think that's why it was the prosecution that asked for a second-degree murder count. Doesn't require proof of meditation, reduces their burden in terms of a compelling motive. And that's why I have a sense that that could be where the jury comes out here.

SANCHEZ: Well, we'll see. Always good to talk to you, my friend. Kendall Coffey.

COFFEY: Hey, great talking with you, Rick.

SANCHEZ: Likewise -- Daryn?

KAGAN: President Bush is spending the weekend at Camp David, resting after a long and grueling campaign. In its post-election issue, "TIME" magazine gives a behind the scene look at the final days and hours of the campaign, as well as a look ahead to the president's second term.

Matt Cooper is the White House correspondent for "TIME." He joins us from Washington. Matt, good morning. Good to have you here with us.

MATT COOPER, "TIME" MAGAZINE: Hey, morning, Daryn.

KAGAN: Let's start by looking ahead. Who's sticking around, and who's not for the cabinet?

COOPER: Well, we're going to find out soon enough. You know, a lot of the speculation is centered on Attorney General John Ashcroft stepping down, possibly to be replaced by his former deputy, Larry Thompson, who would be the first African-American attorney general. We're also hearing at "TIME" the possibility Colin Powell hanging it up and the possibility of U.N. Ambassador and former Missouri Senator John Danforth taking his place.

So, a lot of tumult coming.

KAGAN: But not that unusual, especially with an administration that had a lot of people stick around through that first term.

COOPER: Well, that's right. It's been a remarkably steady cabinet, Daryn. And you know, this happens in Washington. These are difficult jobs. You know, they're very grueling. There's a lot of burnout, as the president said yesterday at his press conference.

And you know, frankly a lot of these folks can make a lot more money in private life, and that becomes alluring, especially for someone like Danforth, who's been in public service for a long time and hasn't had a big payday yet.

KAGAN: All right. Let's go ahead and look behind the scenes at the campaign. Some things that people wish they knew more about during the campaign. I'm specifically right now thinking about the relationship between President Bush and John McCain. A lot of John McCain supporters thinking these two don't like each other. And forgetting the politics here, what you think of John McCain is he doesn't hang with who he doesn't like.

So, what was that relationship about? COOPER: Well, it's interesting, Daryn, as you said. In "TIME," we talk about how the two became closer during the campaign. You know, they had a bruising primary battle in 2000. It got very personal, very ugly. There was no love lost between the two men or their staffs. But they've come closer together, in large part because of the Iraq war.

I mean, John McCain has been one of the most enthusiastic supporters of this war in Iraq. He was calling for it even during the Clinton years. And it's brought the two men closer.

And so, as they campaigned together, McCain became impressed by Bush, the way he would deal with the widows and family members of killed and wounded soldiers in Iraq. President Bush was struck by McCain's loyalty. And the two, I wouldn't say they're bosom buddies, but they are closer.

KAGAN: And what about their relationship between John Kerry and Bill Clinton?

COOPER: Well, it's fascinating. You know, the two had been fairly close during the '90s as John Kerry was one of his most stalwart allies in the Senate. They got even closer as Bill Clinton morphed into the role of political consultant from being president. And he was full of advice for John Kerry, even from his hospital bed after his near heart attack this summer.

KAGAN: All right. And many more details in "Time" magazine. Matt Cooper, thanks for taking time. I'll bet you're looking forward to a long weekend.

COOPER: I'm thinking about it. Thanks, Daryn.

KAGAN: Yes, I bet you've been dreaming about that for about the last year. OK, thanks for being with us.

SANCHEZ: All the other reports seemed to indicate that John Edwards was the one who was very close with Bill Clinton. I suppose later on, he brought him into the fold, or brought Senator Kerry into the fold.

Speaking of John Edwards, his wife, facing a very serious fight, sad to report.

KAGAN: And the question is, what is next for Elizabeth Edwards after being diagnosed with breast cancer. Options for women, coming up next.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

SANCHEZ: Welcome back.

As we had mentioned, the wife of Senator John Edwards is undergoing more tests to determine the course of treatment after she was diagnosed with breast cancer. Elizabeth Edwards faces a battle that two million women in the United States have fought and survived. Medical correspondent Elizabeth Cohen has more on our "Daily Dose" of health news.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

ELIZABETH COHEN, CNN MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): She found out on the campaign trail. She felt a lump, and it was cancer. We don't know enough about the details of Elizabeth Edwards' case to know what her future holds. Will she have the lump removed, or a full mastectomy? Will she need radiation and chemotherapy, or just radiation?

But we do know this, breast cancer is far from a death sentence it used to be. In fact, when breast cancer is caught early, 98 percent of the women survive. There are two million breast cancer survivors in the United States.

DR. CARL DORSI, DIR. OF BREAST IMAGING, EMORY UNIVERSITY: We are very well armed in seeking to control and hopefully prevent breast cancer. Every day there are new discoveries coming out.

COHEN: Treatments include surgery, chemotherapy, radiation and hormones, depending upon the type of tumor.

DORSI: Breast cancer is not just one disease. We know that it's a very variable disease, and maybe even different within one tumor itself.

COHEN: To catch breast cancer early, doctors urge self exams every month and doctor exams every year. And women over age 40 should have a annual mammograms.

There are certain things that make a woman more likely to get breast cancer, if she's over age 50, has a family history of the disease, if she's overweight or has more than two alcoholic drink as day. But usually breast cancer is random. There's no explanation. Most women have no known risk factors, only reassurances that breast cancer is usually treatable.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

SANCHEZ: Of course for your "Daily Dose" of health news online, log on to our Web site. You'll find the very latest medical stories, special reports and our health library. The address is CNN.com/health.

KAGAN: Vioxx, it is now off the shelves, but should it have been taken off a lot of sooner? You're going to find out what one medical journal has to say about that.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

KAGAN: A report in a British medical journal says the arthritis drug Vioxx should have been pulled from the market four years ago. Swiss researchers say that there was substantial evidence then of the drug's dangerous side effects. Merck withdrew Vioxx in September because of studies showing an increased risk of strokes and heart attacks.

Meanwhile, "The New York Times" says that lawyers plan to meet next week to discuss legal action against Merck.

(STOCK MARKET REPORT)

KAGAN: Well, it's enough to make folks in the blue states see red.

SANCHEZ: Coming up Jeanne Moos takes a look at the New York state of mind when it comes to the big bush victory. And they're feeling blue, next.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

KAGAN: Some people feeling great about the election results. Some feeling a little blue, at least the ones that Jeanne Moos talked to.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

JEANNE MOOS, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): It's a sentence that makes voters in the blue states feel sentenced to...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Four more years of President Bush.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Don't mention the election to me. Because I'm emotionally disturbed about the election.

MOOS: What's the state of mind in the blue states?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (singing): Am I blue?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I'm so, so blue. I'm depressed. I really was hoping.

MOOS (on camera): Clinically?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Well, not clinically.

MOOS (voice-over): New Yorkers are sounding inconsolable, even on voice mail.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hey you, it's me. I still can't believe this. Oh, my God.

MOOS: A listing purportedly from the online marketplace Craig's List reads: "Straight male seeks Bush supporter for fair physical fight to vent my anger."

Democracy Plaza is more like Depression Plaza, and that clever idea of turning the skating rink into an electoral map.

(on camera): You see those maps with a little red all across America and then on the edges the blue states. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It makes you feel like you don't want it travel across the country, that it's, you know, that it's a different territory.

MOOS: You can always fly over it.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You can fly over it but you don't want to go through there. And that you're completely different, and you don't know who these people are.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I feel angry at Americans. I don't understand the mentality of a country -- so much red indicates to me so little tolerance.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I want to move to, like, a different country.

MOOS: But don't pack your bags for Canada yet. Canadian officials made it clear, fed-up Americans would have to wait like other immigrants. "You just can't come into Canada and say, 'I'm going to stay here'."

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I'm not moving, but I'm cursing a lot.

MOOS: Jokesters on the Web have been adding new provinces to Canada, the United States of Canada.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Maybe in the next four years I'll move but not to a red state, I assure you that.

MOOS: As for the president...

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I really think he did a wonderful job of scaring the hell out of people in this country.

MOOS: It figures that a New York-based comedy show would pick up on the red/blue divide.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We in New York are too close to the terrorism and the gay people. Only the red states with the advantage of a safe distance can take in the whole picture.

MOOS: But not every blue state voter is seeing red over the president's re-election.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: God told me he brought Bush, and you're going to see what is going to happen.

MOOS (on camera): Wait a minute, God told you he brought Bush?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, I've seen Jesus Christ. He told me he put Bush in power, OK?

MOOS: That's better than an exit poll.

(voice-over) Despite Senator Kerry's concession, there's no talk of secession, just the blue state blues.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (singing): And I'm blue.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

SANCHEZ: There are those who think one way and those who think another.

KAGAN: Absolutely.

(WEATHER REPORT)

KAGAN: That's going to do it for us.

SANCHEZ: I guess that means we're kind of out of here, huh?

KAGAN: I think we're done for the week.

SANCHEZ: I'm Rick Sanchez.

KAGAN: And I'm Daryn Kagan.

And Wolf Blitzer will be coming up next.

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Aired November 5, 2004 - 11:30   ET
THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.
DARYN KAGAN, CNN ANCHOR: And we're just at half past the hour. Hello, once again, I'm Daryn Kagan.
RICK SANCHEZ, CNN ANCHOR: Yes you are. And I'm Rick Sanchez. And here's what's happening in the news right now.

U.S. officials are telling CNN that Yasser Arafat is in a coma on life support and not expected to recover. Statements by Palestinian officials are more optimistic, though. They deny assertions by U.S. officials that Arafat is being kept alive, while funeral arraignments are being finalized. Israel has already said that the burial in Jerusalem will simply not be allowed. We'll follow it.

Also, if Arafat does die, Palestinian militants are vowing to fight on against Israel. Both Hamas and Islamic Jihad said today that Arafat's death would not end their intifada. They also vowed to maintain security in Palestinian legions in Arafat's absence.

Near Falluja in Iraq, CNN's Karl Penhaul embedded, reports that U.S. Military activity is increasing, signaling that ground forces could begin moving against insurgents at any time. Iraq's interim leader, who is in Brussels to meet with European and NATO leaders, also warned that time is running out for a peaceful resolution.

And in economic news, it's good -- 337,000 new jobs added last month. That's according to today's Labor Department statistics. It's nearly double what the Street had expected. Jobs grew in every sector except manufacturing. Construction got a boost because of the hurricanes that hit Florida and the rest of the southeast.

Keeping you informed, CNN, the most trusted name in news.

KAGAN: A third day of jury deliberations got underway this hour in the Scott Peterson double murder trial. Our Rusty Dornin is keeping watch at the courthouse this morning. She joins us from Redwood City, California. Good morning.

RUSTY DORNIN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, Daryn, they've been deliberating this morning for about 20 minutes. And as it turns out, when they reach a verdict -- of course, you always have to add if they reach a verdict -- there will be no cameras in the courtroom. We will hear it, but we won't see it.

The judge deciding to ban cameras, citing the family's privacy, and also citing concerns of a meltdown by family members when the verdict is announced.

Also, we understand yesterday that the jury did ask for some evidence. A source close to the case says it was photos of Laci and Scott Peterson's house, the inside of the house. Also, they did elect a foreman, that is juror number five. Now, this was the man who was the alternate that replaced the juror that was dismissed earlier in the case. He is a doctor and a lawyer for a biotech firm. This could be significant, because this man is trained in the law. He was also apparently trained as a pathologist.

When he left the courtroom to go to the deliberations, he was carrying about 12 notebooks underneath his arm. He has taken, you know, meticulous notes. You can bet it's going to be very methodical. He is going to be very cautious as he takes the other jurors through the case.

Now, if they do not reach a verdict today, they will go back -- they are sequestered -- they will go back to the hotel for the weekend, where they will be only allowed to watch movies and some sports. There will be no regular TV that they will be allowed to watch. And they will be back on Monday morning to begin deliberations again -- Daryn?

KAGAN: As will you, we suspect. Thank you for that. Rusty Dornin, from Redwood City, California.

SANCHEZ: Let's talk more about this. Let's try and break it down a little bit. And who better to do that with than former U.S. attorney and my old friend Kendall Coffey, talking about what's going on in the jury room right now. And he's joining us from my hometown. How are things in Miami, Kendall?

KENDALL COFFEY, FMR. U.S. ATTORNEY: Hey, things are great here, Rick. Good to be talking to you.

SANCHEZ: Hey, what do you make of this superjuror guy? As a lawyer, when these guys go into deliberation, what effect can somebody like this have, somebody who's -- they say he's taken 12 notebooks filled with notes on the trial. What does that mean?

COFFEY: Well, it means just as you say. He's going to be that superjuror that could decide the case one way or another. He's going to be very persuasive, Rick, for example on this big controversy, the medical controversy over time of death. Key point for the defense was that Laci Peterson had to have died sometime after December 24th, which would mean that the prosecution's theory had to be wrong.

He's also, I think, going to perhaps be helpful to the defense. And we don't know how he's going rule on that medical thing. It could be if he says as a former doctor that the defense is full of baloney, that could be curtains for Scott Peterson. He's also going make sure, I think, that the jury carefully follows the judge's instructions.

SANCHEZ: A lot of people aren't sitting there watching this case on Court TV every single day or reading up on it. So, bring us up to date. And here's the key question I think a lot of people would want to know: Is there any physical evidence that's not circumstantial against Scott Peterson?

COFFEY: The physical evidence is almost nonexistent. That single strand of hair of Laci Peterson on the pliers -- and since they were husband and wife, it's explainable in other ways. This was a circumstantial case entirely.

The prosecution did a skillful job of connecting the dots -- especially the ones, Rick, that wrote a circle around San Francisco Bay, the scene of Scott Peterson's gone fishing alibi for December 24th, the day she disappeared, and the same location where the bodies of Laci and Conner washed ashore four months later.

SANCHEZ: So, Geragos is going say to this jury -- in fact, already has -- "Look, he may be a bad guy. He's done some horrible things. He certainly wasn't a great husband. But he's not a killer, and you don't have any evidence that could make him a killer," right?

COFFEY: And he's hoping juror number five will say, "Think with your minds, not with your heart. Look at the holes in the prosecution's case. Is there reasonable doubt? Don't focus on what a bad guy Scott Peterson is." And that's where the defense, I think, is relying on it.

They talked before along the way about showing who might have actually done the crime. But there was no one-armed man theory, as we recall from the movie "The Fugitive" here. This was all a reasonable doubt case battering away at the holes and the weak links in the prosecution's theories.

SANCHEZ: Hey, Kendall, if he were your client, would you have put him on the stand?

COFFEY: I wouldn't have. I think he was so deceptive and would have been absolutely brutalized with all the inconsistencies. Scott Peterson came off, I think, lucky in the sense that at least his voice was heard on audiotape, Rick, denying that he had any involvement in the disappearance, denying that he had anything to do with it and talking about his love for Laci.

So, whatever he had to say that could have helped him, the jury already heard. Putting him on the stand would have been a disaster.

SANCHEZ: There's something, though, that could help him, and that is that I understand now this jury doesn't have to find him guilty of murder. They can find him guilty of a lesser charge, right? So, that kind of gives him an out.

COFFEY: A key thing. And Rick, if I were just to guess and speculate with you, I would tell you that's where the jury might end up. Motive was always a little weak here. I mean, did he really want to kill his wife and unborn son to be with Amber Frey? Wouldn't he have just divorced her?

And I think that's why it was the prosecution that asked for a second-degree murder count. Doesn't require proof of meditation, reduces their burden in terms of a compelling motive. And that's why I have a sense that that could be where the jury comes out here.

SANCHEZ: Well, we'll see. Always good to talk to you, my friend. Kendall Coffey.

COFFEY: Hey, great talking with you, Rick.

SANCHEZ: Likewise -- Daryn?

KAGAN: President Bush is spending the weekend at Camp David, resting after a long and grueling campaign. In its post-election issue, "TIME" magazine gives a behind the scene look at the final days and hours of the campaign, as well as a look ahead to the president's second term.

Matt Cooper is the White House correspondent for "TIME." He joins us from Washington. Matt, good morning. Good to have you here with us.

MATT COOPER, "TIME" MAGAZINE: Hey, morning, Daryn.

KAGAN: Let's start by looking ahead. Who's sticking around, and who's not for the cabinet?

COOPER: Well, we're going to find out soon enough. You know, a lot of the speculation is centered on Attorney General John Ashcroft stepping down, possibly to be replaced by his former deputy, Larry Thompson, who would be the first African-American attorney general. We're also hearing at "TIME" the possibility Colin Powell hanging it up and the possibility of U.N. Ambassador and former Missouri Senator John Danforth taking his place.

So, a lot of tumult coming.

KAGAN: But not that unusual, especially with an administration that had a lot of people stick around through that first term.

COOPER: Well, that's right. It's been a remarkably steady cabinet, Daryn. And you know, this happens in Washington. These are difficult jobs. You know, they're very grueling. There's a lot of burnout, as the president said yesterday at his press conference.

And you know, frankly a lot of these folks can make a lot more money in private life, and that becomes alluring, especially for someone like Danforth, who's been in public service for a long time and hasn't had a big payday yet.

KAGAN: All right. Let's go ahead and look behind the scenes at the campaign. Some things that people wish they knew more about during the campaign. I'm specifically right now thinking about the relationship between President Bush and John McCain. A lot of John McCain supporters thinking these two don't like each other. And forgetting the politics here, what you think of John McCain is he doesn't hang with who he doesn't like.

So, what was that relationship about? COOPER: Well, it's interesting, Daryn, as you said. In "TIME," we talk about how the two became closer during the campaign. You know, they had a bruising primary battle in 2000. It got very personal, very ugly. There was no love lost between the two men or their staffs. But they've come closer together, in large part because of the Iraq war.

I mean, John McCain has been one of the most enthusiastic supporters of this war in Iraq. He was calling for it even during the Clinton years. And it's brought the two men closer.

And so, as they campaigned together, McCain became impressed by Bush, the way he would deal with the widows and family members of killed and wounded soldiers in Iraq. President Bush was struck by McCain's loyalty. And the two, I wouldn't say they're bosom buddies, but they are closer.

KAGAN: And what about their relationship between John Kerry and Bill Clinton?

COOPER: Well, it's fascinating. You know, the two had been fairly close during the '90s as John Kerry was one of his most stalwart allies in the Senate. They got even closer as Bill Clinton morphed into the role of political consultant from being president. And he was full of advice for John Kerry, even from his hospital bed after his near heart attack this summer.

KAGAN: All right. And many more details in "Time" magazine. Matt Cooper, thanks for taking time. I'll bet you're looking forward to a long weekend.

COOPER: I'm thinking about it. Thanks, Daryn.

KAGAN: Yes, I bet you've been dreaming about that for about the last year. OK, thanks for being with us.

SANCHEZ: All the other reports seemed to indicate that John Edwards was the one who was very close with Bill Clinton. I suppose later on, he brought him into the fold, or brought Senator Kerry into the fold.

Speaking of John Edwards, his wife, facing a very serious fight, sad to report.

KAGAN: And the question is, what is next for Elizabeth Edwards after being diagnosed with breast cancer. Options for women, coming up next.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

SANCHEZ: Welcome back.

As we had mentioned, the wife of Senator John Edwards is undergoing more tests to determine the course of treatment after she was diagnosed with breast cancer. Elizabeth Edwards faces a battle that two million women in the United States have fought and survived. Medical correspondent Elizabeth Cohen has more on our "Daily Dose" of health news.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

ELIZABETH COHEN, CNN MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): She found out on the campaign trail. She felt a lump, and it was cancer. We don't know enough about the details of Elizabeth Edwards' case to know what her future holds. Will she have the lump removed, or a full mastectomy? Will she need radiation and chemotherapy, or just radiation?

But we do know this, breast cancer is far from a death sentence it used to be. In fact, when breast cancer is caught early, 98 percent of the women survive. There are two million breast cancer survivors in the United States.

DR. CARL DORSI, DIR. OF BREAST IMAGING, EMORY UNIVERSITY: We are very well armed in seeking to control and hopefully prevent breast cancer. Every day there are new discoveries coming out.

COHEN: Treatments include surgery, chemotherapy, radiation and hormones, depending upon the type of tumor.

DORSI: Breast cancer is not just one disease. We know that it's a very variable disease, and maybe even different within one tumor itself.

COHEN: To catch breast cancer early, doctors urge self exams every month and doctor exams every year. And women over age 40 should have a annual mammograms.

There are certain things that make a woman more likely to get breast cancer, if she's over age 50, has a family history of the disease, if she's overweight or has more than two alcoholic drink as day. But usually breast cancer is random. There's no explanation. Most women have no known risk factors, only reassurances that breast cancer is usually treatable.

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SANCHEZ: Of course for your "Daily Dose" of health news online, log on to our Web site. You'll find the very latest medical stories, special reports and our health library. The address is CNN.com/health.

KAGAN: Vioxx, it is now off the shelves, but should it have been taken off a lot of sooner? You're going to find out what one medical journal has to say about that.

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KAGAN: A report in a British medical journal says the arthritis drug Vioxx should have been pulled from the market four years ago. Swiss researchers say that there was substantial evidence then of the drug's dangerous side effects. Merck withdrew Vioxx in September because of studies showing an increased risk of strokes and heart attacks.

Meanwhile, "The New York Times" says that lawyers plan to meet next week to discuss legal action against Merck.

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KAGAN: Well, it's enough to make folks in the blue states see red.

SANCHEZ: Coming up Jeanne Moos takes a look at the New York state of mind when it comes to the big bush victory. And they're feeling blue, next.

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KAGAN: Some people feeling great about the election results. Some feeling a little blue, at least the ones that Jeanne Moos talked to.

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JEANNE MOOS, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): It's a sentence that makes voters in the blue states feel sentenced to...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Four more years of President Bush.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Don't mention the election to me. Because I'm emotionally disturbed about the election.

MOOS: What's the state of mind in the blue states?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (singing): Am I blue?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I'm so, so blue. I'm depressed. I really was hoping.

MOOS (on camera): Clinically?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Well, not clinically.

MOOS (voice-over): New Yorkers are sounding inconsolable, even on voice mail.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hey you, it's me. I still can't believe this. Oh, my God.

MOOS: A listing purportedly from the online marketplace Craig's List reads: "Straight male seeks Bush supporter for fair physical fight to vent my anger."

Democracy Plaza is more like Depression Plaza, and that clever idea of turning the skating rink into an electoral map.

(on camera): You see those maps with a little red all across America and then on the edges the blue states. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It makes you feel like you don't want it travel across the country, that it's, you know, that it's a different territory.

MOOS: You can always fly over it.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You can fly over it but you don't want to go through there. And that you're completely different, and you don't know who these people are.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I feel angry at Americans. I don't understand the mentality of a country -- so much red indicates to me so little tolerance.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I want to move to, like, a different country.

MOOS: But don't pack your bags for Canada yet. Canadian officials made it clear, fed-up Americans would have to wait like other immigrants. "You just can't come into Canada and say, 'I'm going to stay here'."

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I'm not moving, but I'm cursing a lot.

MOOS: Jokesters on the Web have been adding new provinces to Canada, the United States of Canada.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Maybe in the next four years I'll move but not to a red state, I assure you that.

MOOS: As for the president...

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I really think he did a wonderful job of scaring the hell out of people in this country.

MOOS: It figures that a New York-based comedy show would pick up on the red/blue divide.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We in New York are too close to the terrorism and the gay people. Only the red states with the advantage of a safe distance can take in the whole picture.

MOOS: But not every blue state voter is seeing red over the president's re-election.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: God told me he brought Bush, and you're going to see what is going to happen.

MOOS (on camera): Wait a minute, God told you he brought Bush?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, I've seen Jesus Christ. He told me he put Bush in power, OK?

MOOS: That's better than an exit poll.

(voice-over) Despite Senator Kerry's concession, there's no talk of secession, just the blue state blues.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (singing): And I'm blue.

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SANCHEZ: There are those who think one way and those who think another.

KAGAN: Absolutely.

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KAGAN: That's going to do it for us.

SANCHEZ: I guess that means we're kind of out of here, huh?

KAGAN: I think we're done for the week.

SANCHEZ: I'm Rick Sanchez.

KAGAN: And I'm Daryn Kagan.

And Wolf Blitzer will be coming up next.

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