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Aired November 05, 2004 - 08:30 ET
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BILL HEMMER, CNN ANCHOR: Welcome back, everybody. 8:30 in New York City. Jobs report out in just about a minute here. Soledad is out today, but Kelly Wallace helping us out.
KELLY WALLACE, CNN ANCHOR: Good to be here.
HEMMER: It's good to have you here, by the way.
We're going to sleep this weekend, right?
WALLACE: Yes, we're going to catch up on a lot sleepless weekends.
HEMMER: She's been working, working, working.
WALLACE: All of us, yes.
HEMMER: Getting back to the Scott Peterson trial in a moment. The jury beginning day three of deliberations today. We'll get a report on that. Also this decision from the judge for what's going to happen when the verdict is reached. There is a decision on that. We'll get to it.
WALLACE: Also, Bill, we have been talking about Elizabeth Edwards. Her best cancer diagnosis. Medical correspondent Elizabeth Cohen will talk to us about the case involving Mrs. Edwards, and also what doctors can do now that was not possible a few years ago.
And we know that the new job numbers were expected to come out momentarily. Andy Serwer is here. Andy, do we have the numbers?
ANDY SERWER, "FORTUNE" MAGAZINE: We do have the numbers, and they're gangbusters. The economy added 337,000 jobs in the month of October, much higher than expected. We were looking for only 169,000. A little bit difficult to digest, because the unemployment rate actually ticked up to 5.5 percent. That means that more people than that 337,000 were out looking for jobs. So all in all, I'd have to say it's a very positive report, even though that unemployment rate did notch up .1 percent. 337,000, you've got to go back to March, when we created over 350,000 jobs to get back to that level. Very positive news for the president as he begins his new term.
WALLACE: And signal for the economy?
SERWER: Has to be a positive sign. You know, there were some questions that the economy was starting to slow back down. We were heading back down in a recession. Job growth was a key concern, and because -- particularly because we had peeked in march and gone down, now it looks like we're trending back up.
WALLACE: Good news.
SERWER: Surprising.
WALLACE: Yes, good news.
HEMMER: Andy, thanks for that.
Daryn Kagan at the CNN Center, watching the headlines this morning.
Hey, Daryn, good morning.
DARYN KAGAN, CNN ANCHOR: Bill, good morning to you.
Now in the news, there is word that a French hospital will soon release more details about the condition of Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat. A Palestinian official speaking last hour denied rumors that Arafat was brain dead. But according to two U.S. officials, the Palestinian leader is being kept alive by machines, as negotiators discuss where he should be buried.
In Iraq, U.S. forces are waiting word from top officials about commanders to begin an assault in Falluja. Witnesses say that U.S. troops blocked roads on the fringe of the city today after pounding insurgent targets overnight. There's word that civilians are being asked to leave the area, but that has not been confirmed.
Here in the U.S., a decision today on whether pilots for Northwest Airline will accept steep paycuts. Northwest pilots rank among the second highest paid in the country. But under a proposed plan, they would forfeit 15 percent of pay for two years. In return, the carrier would not cut retirement plans. The pilots concessions could save the airline $265 million.
Kelly, back to you in New York City.
WALLACE: Great, Daryn. Good to see you. Thanks so much.
Today is day No. 3 of deliberations in the Scott Peterson double- murder trial. Yesterday, the judge in the case made a decision about cameras in the courtroom when the jury finally comes to a verdict. What did the judge decide?
CNN's Ted Rowlands has that story.
(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
TED ROWLANDS, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): The jury of six men and six women deliberating now for a day and a half is deciding the fate of Scott Peterson in sequestration, away from their homes and families, until they can reach a verdict.
In closing arguments, lead prosecutor Rick Distaso told the jury that the case is like a puzzle and when all the circumstantial evidence is pieced together, the picture is very clear that Scott Peterson planned and carried out the murder of his pregnant wife. Distaso told the jury that the fact that the remains of both Laci Peterson and her unborn son were found in the same place that Scott Peterson was fishing was evidence enough to convicted him of first degree murder.
Defense attorney Mark Geragos, in his close, told the jury that prosecutors didn't prove anything, except that Scott Peterson is a liar.
Despite defense objections, Judge Al Delucchi instructed the jury to also consider second degree murder which, because there are two victims, would most likely carry a sentence of 30 years to life.
JUDGE ALFRED DELUCCHI: Murder in the second degree is the unlawful killing of a human being with malice aforethought, when the perpetrator intended unlawfully to kill a human being, but the evidence is insufficient to prove premeditation and deliberation.
ROWLANDS: Judge Delucchi denied a media request for a camera in the courtroom for the verdict, saying emotions are running very high and he did not want to be a part of broadcasting any sort of "family meltdown."
(on camera): While there is no indication how long jurors will take, the judge in the case has indicated he believes they'll be out at least a week. Late in the day, we learned that the jury did request to see some evidence, specifically photographs. We also know that the foreman in this case is juror number five, who has a law degree and a degree in medicine.
Ted Rowlands, CNN, Redwood City, California.
(END VIDEOTAPE)
WALLACE: And prior to deliberations, the jury listened to nearly five months of testimony in the case -- Bill.
HEMMER: Every Friday at this time, it's we turned to our "Gimme a Minute" gang. It's all politics today.
From New York City, WABC Radio host Mark Simone is back to us.
Mark, good morning to you. Nice to see you.
MARK SIMONE, WABC RADIO HOST: Great to see you again.
HEMMER: From D.C., Jenny Baucus, Democrat strategist and a first time. How are you? Good morning.
JENNY BAUCUS, DEMOCRATIC STRATEGIST: Great.
Also here in New York City, Andy Borowitz of Borowitzreport.com, and he has a whole lot of material now, huh? '
Andy, good morning to you. ANDY BOROWTIZ, BOROWITZREPORT.COM: Good morning.
HEMMER: Jenny, let's start with you. Democrats, how do they gain back ground over the first four years? Forget that, let's go to Mark first -- Mark, good morning.
SIMONE: How do they gain background? First of all, when someone says they're religious, they pray, they go to church, you don't sneer at them, you don't mock them. I would also recommend there are two Americas. If you don't want to seem elitist or condescending, you don't nominate a Beacon Hill windsurfer with five mansions and nine yachts, who's wife actually says that the people who disagree with her husband are Neanderthals.
HEMMER: All right, what about it, Jenny? How do you gain back ground?
BAUCUS: How you gain back ground is you hold the Republicans responsible for stuff that Mark just said. Look, democrats have to seize patriotism. Democrats have to seize patriotism. We did a great job with Kerry. We're going to do better now. Something's happening to our country. It's being led in the wrong direction, and for the next four years, we just have to call them on it. We believe in the Bible. We believe in God. We're not going to let them characterize us any more.
HEMMER: All right, Andy, weigh in on this today.
BOROWITZ: Well, I think we need a candidate who talks about the issues that Americans care about, also a candidate who has a pulse would be good.
HEMMER: Hey, Jenny, let's talk about the exit polling, very interesting stuff, too. What do you think it was most surprising thing you found after that race?
BAUCUS: I think there's a couple things. First of all, if you look inside the exit polling, looking at new voters, people who either never voted in the last presidential election or are new restraints, they moved towards the Democrats. I think that that shows that there are people out there that were upset about how things are going.
The other thing that was really interesting, I though, is the moving of men, especially downscale men, back toward the Democrats. I think that's a warning sign for the Republicans, and I think you'll see the Democrats having a lot more conversations about issues, pocketbook issues with these kind of voters.
HEMMER: All right, Mark, what did you see?
SIMONE: Well, I saw in a more general way. If you stand back and look at that map, it's all red with some blue trim on the edges. You know, I traced this. You could drive through 27 red states without ever hitting a blue states. With blue states, you could only go through about four or five.
HEMMER: All right, we'll watch the map again over the next four years.
Andy, what did you find in the exit polling?
BOROWITZ: You know, there's all this talk about massive turnout, but if you look at The exit polls, a lot of people got in line just because they thought it was a line for flu shots.
HEMMER: Keep looking.
BOROWITZ: Yes.
HEMMER: Mark, back to you about the whole political capital comment from the president yesterday. What is the one thing you believe he can be the most effective at getting done over the next term?
SIMONE: Well, let's be honest. Every president says they're in the in foreign oil, fix Social Security, get us all health care. It never happens. When he said he could reform the tax code, simplify that, that he could get done, and that could generate revenue, that could save a lot of people a lot of money.
HEMMER: All right, Jenny, what about you?
BAUCUS: I would hope the president would actually use political capital, both here and abroad, to end the mess in Iraq. I don't see it. I think the president -- it was sort of jarring to hear the president on one hand say I want to try to heal the country and bring it back together, and on the other hand, say, oh wow, look at me, I'm so great, I'm going to do what I want, damn the torpedoes. So I think that shows probably more the true character of the president, and I hope that, you know, somehow we can work together to make the country stronger.
HEMMER: All right, here we go again. Let the battle begin -- Andy.
BOROWITZ: I think President Bush is going to cancel the agreement between nouns and verbs. Start on that yesterday.
HEMMER: You've been pushing for that, haven't you, Andy?
BOROWITZ: Absolutely.
HEMMER: Under the radar -- Jenny, what's the most undercovered story of the past week, do you believe?
BAUCUS: Well, keep an eye on the U.S. Senate. First of all, my old boss, Harry Reed, he's going to be a fantastic majority leader and two rising stars, and two new rising stars in the Democratic Party, ken Salazar, who came out of nowhere in Colorado to win, one of our first Hispanic senators, and Barack Obama. I think watch those two senators. They're going to have a lot to say. They're not going fit the little stereotype box that the Republicans are going to put out for them. Keep an eye on them.
HEMMER: You got it, we'll watch that.
Mark, what about you? What are you missing this past week?
SIMONE: Well, we had a lot of anger after this election, and I couldn't believe this interview with Al Sharpton? He threatened -- he was so upset, he threatened to leave the country. I didn't quite hear where the -- that's like IRS auditors threatening to go on strike -- didn't really worry me.
HEMMER: Andy?
BOROWITZ: Well, Ralph Nader wrapped up his presidential campaign and said he would now focus on wrecking Christmas.
HEMMER: Stay tuned for more. How many shopping days left? Count them up.
Thanks to all three of you, Jenny, and Mark and Andy, have a good weekend all right -- Kelly.
BOROWITZ: You, too.
WALLACE: Thanks, Bill. Always so funny.
(WEATHER REPORT)
HEMMER: David Letterman already taking some shots at this election, also talking at the buzz surrounding a potential candidate in 2008.
Listen here -- "The Late Show."
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
DAVID LETTERMAN, "THE LATE SHOW": If you love political rumors, here's the hot rumor. The rumor is that Hillary Clinton is running for president in 2008. Yep. And here's why people think that. Today she was in Ohio duck hunting.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
WALLACE: Did she have her camouflage jacket?
HEMMER: Remember back on Halloween, Karl Rove and the others. Who are they talking about in 2008? Is Hillary still on the front burner? Is John Edwards still on the front burner?
WALLACE: Well, you talk to Democrats following the election results, and some believe it will be very tough for Hillary Clinton to win, looking at the map as we see it now, because of the results. And also even John Edwards, I think some Democrats think that he was somewhat disappointing. But who knows. Some people talking at an Evan Bayh, Midwestern senator, Mary Landrieu, another senator from this town. Clearly the Democrats need to sort of think they need to look another the South, the Midwest.
HEMMER: Does it hurt John Edwards because he doesn't have office now, gave up his Senate seat?
WALLACE: It could work in his favor, some believe. He'll be an outsider for four years.
HEMMER: Something to consider.
WALLACE: Always an option.
HEMMER: Listen, the job numbers are out, and they are big. Andy had them about 12 minutes ago. We'll get back to that, and we'll sort through it with Andy in a moment here.
WALLACE: Plus, we've been talking all morning about Elizabeth Edwards' battle with cancer, how that has just begun. But doctors say there are more weapons than ever to fight it. That's ahead on AMERICAN MORNING.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
WALLACE: Sanjay's off today. In our medical segment this morning, Elizabeth Edwards' breast cancer diagnosis. There's a lot we don't know about her condition. Elizabeth Cohen, though, is here to tell us what we do know about beating breast cancer.
Good to see you, Elizabeth.
What do we know?
ELIZABETH COHEN, CNN MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, one thing that we know for sure, Kelly, is that Elizabeth Edwards stands as an example of what women can do to catch breast cancer early.
(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
COHEN (voice-over): She found out on the campaign trail. She felt a lump, and it was cancer. We don't know enough about the details of Elizabeth Edwards' case to know what her future holds. Will she have the lump removed, or a full mastectomy? Will she need radiation and chemotherapy, or just radiation?
But we do know this, breast cancer is far from a death sentence it used to be. In fact, when breast cancer is caught early, 98 percent of the women survive. There are two million breast cancer survivors in the United States.
DR. CARL DORSI, DIR. OF BREAST IMAGING, EMORY UNIVERSITY: We are very well armed in seeking to control and hopefully prevent breast cancer. Every day there are new discoveries coming out.
COHEN: Treatments include surgery, chemotherapy, radiation and hormones, depending upon the type of tumor.
DORSI: Breast cancer is not just one disease. We know that it's a very variable disease, and maybe even different within one tumor itself. COHEN: To catch breast cancer early, doctors urge self exams every month and doctor exams every year. And women over age 40 should have a annual mammograms.
There are certain things that make a woman more likely to get breast cancer, if she's over age 50, has a family history of the disease, if she's overweight or has more than two alcoholic drink as day. But usually breast cancer is random. There's no explanation. Most women have no known risk factors, only reassurances that breast cancer is usually treatable.
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COHEN: Mrs. Edwards discovered the lump last week, but didn't see a doctor until this week.
WALLACE: Is that a problem, the fact that she delayed discovered the lump and didn't get the final diagnosis until Wednesday?
COHEN: Actually, it sounds strange, because you always say let's catch it as early as you can, but actually it's not a problem. What happens was Mrs. Edwards felt the lump, she went to a general practitioner who said this doesn't look good, and make an appointment when you can with a specialist, and she didn't do it until this week. And the doctor said that that was OK. It's a very -- breast cancer is usually a very slow growing cancer, so seeing someone on a Wednesday rather than the Friday before, it really doesn't make a difference; a matter of days doesn't make a difference.
WALLACE: Do we know if she's had a family history, if that plays a role at all?
COHEN: We don't know about her personal family history. Of course, family history can play a very strong role if your mother, or sister, aunt, grandmother had breast cancer. But it's important to remember that 80 percent of women who get breast cancer had no family history. So most women have no family history at all; it's just a pretty much random event.
WALLACE: OK, important information. Important information. Our thoughts, of course, with Elizabeth Edwards and her family as they deal with this.
Still to come here on AMERICAN MORNING, Andy's "Minding Your Business." He'll breakdown the first post-election jobs report for us.
Stay with us. That's all ahead here on AMERICAN MORNING.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
HEMMER: Welcome back, everybody.
Closer examination now what the new jobs report says and what it means. With that and a market preview, back to Andy Serwer, "Minding Your Business." A big number. ANDY SERWER, "FORTUNE" MAGAZINE: Yes, what were the economist thinking? I mean, they were way off here, right? Really stunning numbers. It's only way to put it, Bill. Number of jobs created in the month of October, you can see there are 337,000. The important point here is basically double what the economists were looking for, because they were looking for 169,000.
Get a load of some of these revisions, too, because they revised some of the previous months. We did say that we reported 96,000 jobs in September, actually now 139,000; 128,000 in August, previously. Now 198,000.
HEMMER: Wow.
SERWER: So that's pretty amazing. Let's talk about some of the sectors. Service sector, 272,000 jobs. Construction, 71,000 jobs. Manufacturing lost a little bit. And you have to go back to march of this year where we made 353,000 jobs to match that kind of level. And before that, you have to go back to March of 2000.
HEMMER: No kidding.
SERWER: The peak of the boom, the Internet bubble and all that, where he created 493,000 jobs. The unemployment rate ticking up slightly; that just means more people out there looking for work. I wouldn't take a lot of stock in that number.
Interesting that now I think all attention will be focused on the Federal Reserve and a rate hike coming up next week. I think that is an absolute a certainty.
HEMMER: Politically, when these numbers came out, my first thought went to, if Kerry won and Bush had lost, how much would this have looked like his father's administration at the end of his four years in 1992 with a recovery underway.
SERWER: Right. I mean, maybe not quite as immediate as that, because this happened just a couple days after the election. But that's true, after President Bush, the elder, lost, the economy picked up when Bill Clinton came in, and here you are the economy seems to be picking up in the second term.
HEMMER: 337,000. Thank you, Andy.
SERWER: Yes, Big number.
HEMMER: All right -- Kelly.
WALLACE: All right, no "Cafferty File" today. Instead, it's the "Toure Experience." Doesn't rhyme, but I still like it, though.
TOURE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: I want to talk about reality TV. Reality TV tends to be pretty stupid and demeaning for both contestants and viewers alike, and yet it's come to dominate modern pop culture. Now, me, I cringe at the name of the genre, because there's nothing realistic about airlifting 16 adults to the South Pacific or corralling 30 women to compete for the affection of one guy. How come none of them say, I just don't like him. Indeed, "Friends" and "Seinfeld" are way more realistic than "Survivor" and "The Bachelor," but I digress. Even though reality TV is less than intellectually stimulating, it's being studied in American universities.
HEMMER: No, please.
TOURE: Indiana University, former home of Bobby Knight, has a class called "The Surreal World of Reality TV."
HEMMER: Go Hoosiers.
TOURE: it covers historical, legal, ethical, psychological and sociological perspectives on reality TV. Little Centenary College in New Jersey offers the sociology of reality TV, Tufts, a great school in Massachusetts, has a reality TV as the sight of knowledge production. And Northern Illinois University has a class modeled on "The Apprentice," where your grade depends on how long you last before the professor fires you.
And the expansion of reality TV's hegemony continues, coming soon to a mall near you. In South Africa now, they have this major network called M-Net, which has reality TV booths that go in the mall. Remember those old photo booths they used to have -- like that. You go in the booth, you do your thing. The network airs the best and worst of the tapes, and there you go. When Andy Warhol said, well, I'll be famous for 15 minutes, he was talking about reality TV.
HEMMER: He meant it. That is true.
I like that course at NIU, by the way. Oh, God.
TOURE: Oh, god.
HEMMER: Butter up to the professor, stay on the job. How's "The Apprentice" doing in the second season, by the way?
TOURE: I'm loving it. I mean, it's doing great. I was crushed by last night.
HEMMER: What happened?
TOURE: My fellow metrosexual brother Rog got kicked off.
SERWER: Calling yourself a metrosexual.
TOURE: Hey, man.
SERWER: I don't know that I'm ready to do that personally.
WALLACE: It's working on you, Andy.
SERWER: No, I'm good where I am right now. Thank you, Kelly. HEMMER: You're a bigger man than we are.
TOURE: That's right, baby.
HEMMER: In a moment here, we're looking ahead to President Bush's second term in his cabinet. Who stays and who goes? David Gergen, former presidential adviser, has a number of thoughts on this lineup. Back in a moment, we'll talk to David after this.
WALLACE: Still to come, Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat is reportedly near death, but there is still no word on a successor, who's most likely to fill that role. A look at that ahead on AMERICAN MORNING.
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Aired November 5, 2004 - 08:30 ET
THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.
BILL HEMMER, CNN ANCHOR: Welcome back, everybody. 8:30 in New York City. Jobs report out in just about a minute here. Soledad is out today, but Kelly Wallace helping us out.
KELLY WALLACE, CNN ANCHOR: Good to be here.
HEMMER: It's good to have you here, by the way.
We're going to sleep this weekend, right?
WALLACE: Yes, we're going to catch up on a lot sleepless weekends.
HEMMER: She's been working, working, working.
WALLACE: All of us, yes.
HEMMER: Getting back to the Scott Peterson trial in a moment. The jury beginning day three of deliberations today. We'll get a report on that. Also this decision from the judge for what's going to happen when the verdict is reached. There is a decision on that. We'll get to it.
WALLACE: Also, Bill, we have been talking about Elizabeth Edwards. Her best cancer diagnosis. Medical correspondent Elizabeth Cohen will talk to us about the case involving Mrs. Edwards, and also what doctors can do now that was not possible a few years ago.
And we know that the new job numbers were expected to come out momentarily. Andy Serwer is here. Andy, do we have the numbers?
ANDY SERWER, "FORTUNE" MAGAZINE: We do have the numbers, and they're gangbusters. The economy added 337,000 jobs in the month of October, much higher than expected. We were looking for only 169,000. A little bit difficult to digest, because the unemployment rate actually ticked up to 5.5 percent. That means that more people than that 337,000 were out looking for jobs. So all in all, I'd have to say it's a very positive report, even though that unemployment rate did notch up .1 percent. 337,000, you've got to go back to March, when we created over 350,000 jobs to get back to that level. Very positive news for the president as he begins his new term.
WALLACE: And signal for the economy?
SERWER: Has to be a positive sign. You know, there were some questions that the economy was starting to slow back down. We were heading back down in a recession. Job growth was a key concern, and because -- particularly because we had peeked in march and gone down, now it looks like we're trending back up.
WALLACE: Good news.
SERWER: Surprising.
WALLACE: Yes, good news.
HEMMER: Andy, thanks for that.
Daryn Kagan at the CNN Center, watching the headlines this morning.
Hey, Daryn, good morning.
DARYN KAGAN, CNN ANCHOR: Bill, good morning to you.
Now in the news, there is word that a French hospital will soon release more details about the condition of Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat. A Palestinian official speaking last hour denied rumors that Arafat was brain dead. But according to two U.S. officials, the Palestinian leader is being kept alive by machines, as negotiators discuss where he should be buried.
In Iraq, U.S. forces are waiting word from top officials about commanders to begin an assault in Falluja. Witnesses say that U.S. troops blocked roads on the fringe of the city today after pounding insurgent targets overnight. There's word that civilians are being asked to leave the area, but that has not been confirmed.
Here in the U.S., a decision today on whether pilots for Northwest Airline will accept steep paycuts. Northwest pilots rank among the second highest paid in the country. But under a proposed plan, they would forfeit 15 percent of pay for two years. In return, the carrier would not cut retirement plans. The pilots concessions could save the airline $265 million.
Kelly, back to you in New York City.
WALLACE: Great, Daryn. Good to see you. Thanks so much.
Today is day No. 3 of deliberations in the Scott Peterson double- murder trial. Yesterday, the judge in the case made a decision about cameras in the courtroom when the jury finally comes to a verdict. What did the judge decide?
CNN's Ted Rowlands has that story.
(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
TED ROWLANDS, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): The jury of six men and six women deliberating now for a day and a half is deciding the fate of Scott Peterson in sequestration, away from their homes and families, until they can reach a verdict.
In closing arguments, lead prosecutor Rick Distaso told the jury that the case is like a puzzle and when all the circumstantial evidence is pieced together, the picture is very clear that Scott Peterson planned and carried out the murder of his pregnant wife. Distaso told the jury that the fact that the remains of both Laci Peterson and her unborn son were found in the same place that Scott Peterson was fishing was evidence enough to convicted him of first degree murder.
Defense attorney Mark Geragos, in his close, told the jury that prosecutors didn't prove anything, except that Scott Peterson is a liar.
Despite defense objections, Judge Al Delucchi instructed the jury to also consider second degree murder which, because there are two victims, would most likely carry a sentence of 30 years to life.
JUDGE ALFRED DELUCCHI: Murder in the second degree is the unlawful killing of a human being with malice aforethought, when the perpetrator intended unlawfully to kill a human being, but the evidence is insufficient to prove premeditation and deliberation.
ROWLANDS: Judge Delucchi denied a media request for a camera in the courtroom for the verdict, saying emotions are running very high and he did not want to be a part of broadcasting any sort of "family meltdown."
(on camera): While there is no indication how long jurors will take, the judge in the case has indicated he believes they'll be out at least a week. Late in the day, we learned that the jury did request to see some evidence, specifically photographs. We also know that the foreman in this case is juror number five, who has a law degree and a degree in medicine.
Ted Rowlands, CNN, Redwood City, California.
(END VIDEOTAPE)
WALLACE: And prior to deliberations, the jury listened to nearly five months of testimony in the case -- Bill.
HEMMER: Every Friday at this time, it's we turned to our "Gimme a Minute" gang. It's all politics today.
From New York City, WABC Radio host Mark Simone is back to us.
Mark, good morning to you. Nice to see you.
MARK SIMONE, WABC RADIO HOST: Great to see you again.
HEMMER: From D.C., Jenny Baucus, Democrat strategist and a first time. How are you? Good morning.
JENNY BAUCUS, DEMOCRATIC STRATEGIST: Great.
Also here in New York City, Andy Borowitz of Borowitzreport.com, and he has a whole lot of material now, huh? '
Andy, good morning to you. ANDY BOROWTIZ, BOROWITZREPORT.COM: Good morning.
HEMMER: Jenny, let's start with you. Democrats, how do they gain back ground over the first four years? Forget that, let's go to Mark first -- Mark, good morning.
SIMONE: How do they gain background? First of all, when someone says they're religious, they pray, they go to church, you don't sneer at them, you don't mock them. I would also recommend there are two Americas. If you don't want to seem elitist or condescending, you don't nominate a Beacon Hill windsurfer with five mansions and nine yachts, who's wife actually says that the people who disagree with her husband are Neanderthals.
HEMMER: All right, what about it, Jenny? How do you gain back ground?
BAUCUS: How you gain back ground is you hold the Republicans responsible for stuff that Mark just said. Look, democrats have to seize patriotism. Democrats have to seize patriotism. We did a great job with Kerry. We're going to do better now. Something's happening to our country. It's being led in the wrong direction, and for the next four years, we just have to call them on it. We believe in the Bible. We believe in God. We're not going to let them characterize us any more.
HEMMER: All right, Andy, weigh in on this today.
BOROWITZ: Well, I think we need a candidate who talks about the issues that Americans care about, also a candidate who has a pulse would be good.
HEMMER: Hey, Jenny, let's talk about the exit polling, very interesting stuff, too. What do you think it was most surprising thing you found after that race?
BAUCUS: I think there's a couple things. First of all, if you look inside the exit polling, looking at new voters, people who either never voted in the last presidential election or are new restraints, they moved towards the Democrats. I think that that shows that there are people out there that were upset about how things are going.
The other thing that was really interesting, I though, is the moving of men, especially downscale men, back toward the Democrats. I think that's a warning sign for the Republicans, and I think you'll see the Democrats having a lot more conversations about issues, pocketbook issues with these kind of voters.
HEMMER: All right, Mark, what did you see?
SIMONE: Well, I saw in a more general way. If you stand back and look at that map, it's all red with some blue trim on the edges. You know, I traced this. You could drive through 27 red states without ever hitting a blue states. With blue states, you could only go through about four or five.
HEMMER: All right, we'll watch the map again over the next four years.
Andy, what did you find in the exit polling?
BOROWITZ: You know, there's all this talk about massive turnout, but if you look at The exit polls, a lot of people got in line just because they thought it was a line for flu shots.
HEMMER: Keep looking.
BOROWITZ: Yes.
HEMMER: Mark, back to you about the whole political capital comment from the president yesterday. What is the one thing you believe he can be the most effective at getting done over the next term?
SIMONE: Well, let's be honest. Every president says they're in the in foreign oil, fix Social Security, get us all health care. It never happens. When he said he could reform the tax code, simplify that, that he could get done, and that could generate revenue, that could save a lot of people a lot of money.
HEMMER: All right, Jenny, what about you?
BAUCUS: I would hope the president would actually use political capital, both here and abroad, to end the mess in Iraq. I don't see it. I think the president -- it was sort of jarring to hear the president on one hand say I want to try to heal the country and bring it back together, and on the other hand, say, oh wow, look at me, I'm so great, I'm going to do what I want, damn the torpedoes. So I think that shows probably more the true character of the president, and I hope that, you know, somehow we can work together to make the country stronger.
HEMMER: All right, here we go again. Let the battle begin -- Andy.
BOROWITZ: I think President Bush is going to cancel the agreement between nouns and verbs. Start on that yesterday.
HEMMER: You've been pushing for that, haven't you, Andy?
BOROWITZ: Absolutely.
HEMMER: Under the radar -- Jenny, what's the most undercovered story of the past week, do you believe?
BAUCUS: Well, keep an eye on the U.S. Senate. First of all, my old boss, Harry Reed, he's going to be a fantastic majority leader and two rising stars, and two new rising stars in the Democratic Party, ken Salazar, who came out of nowhere in Colorado to win, one of our first Hispanic senators, and Barack Obama. I think watch those two senators. They're going to have a lot to say. They're not going fit the little stereotype box that the Republicans are going to put out for them. Keep an eye on them.
HEMMER: You got it, we'll watch that.
Mark, what about you? What are you missing this past week?
SIMONE: Well, we had a lot of anger after this election, and I couldn't believe this interview with Al Sharpton? He threatened -- he was so upset, he threatened to leave the country. I didn't quite hear where the -- that's like IRS auditors threatening to go on strike -- didn't really worry me.
HEMMER: Andy?
BOROWITZ: Well, Ralph Nader wrapped up his presidential campaign and said he would now focus on wrecking Christmas.
HEMMER: Stay tuned for more. How many shopping days left? Count them up.
Thanks to all three of you, Jenny, and Mark and Andy, have a good weekend all right -- Kelly.
BOROWITZ: You, too.
WALLACE: Thanks, Bill. Always so funny.
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HEMMER: David Letterman already taking some shots at this election, also talking at the buzz surrounding a potential candidate in 2008.
Listen here -- "The Late Show."
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DAVID LETTERMAN, "THE LATE SHOW": If you love political rumors, here's the hot rumor. The rumor is that Hillary Clinton is running for president in 2008. Yep. And here's why people think that. Today she was in Ohio duck hunting.
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WALLACE: Did she have her camouflage jacket?
HEMMER: Remember back on Halloween, Karl Rove and the others. Who are they talking about in 2008? Is Hillary still on the front burner? Is John Edwards still on the front burner?
WALLACE: Well, you talk to Democrats following the election results, and some believe it will be very tough for Hillary Clinton to win, looking at the map as we see it now, because of the results. And also even John Edwards, I think some Democrats think that he was somewhat disappointing. But who knows. Some people talking at an Evan Bayh, Midwestern senator, Mary Landrieu, another senator from this town. Clearly the Democrats need to sort of think they need to look another the South, the Midwest.
HEMMER: Does it hurt John Edwards because he doesn't have office now, gave up his Senate seat?
WALLACE: It could work in his favor, some believe. He'll be an outsider for four years.
HEMMER: Something to consider.
WALLACE: Always an option.
HEMMER: Listen, the job numbers are out, and they are big. Andy had them about 12 minutes ago. We'll get back to that, and we'll sort through it with Andy in a moment here.
WALLACE: Plus, we've been talking all morning about Elizabeth Edwards' battle with cancer, how that has just begun. But doctors say there are more weapons than ever to fight it. That's ahead on AMERICAN MORNING.
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WALLACE: Sanjay's off today. In our medical segment this morning, Elizabeth Edwards' breast cancer diagnosis. There's a lot we don't know about her condition. Elizabeth Cohen, though, is here to tell us what we do know about beating breast cancer.
Good to see you, Elizabeth.
What do we know?
ELIZABETH COHEN, CNN MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, one thing that we know for sure, Kelly, is that Elizabeth Edwards stands as an example of what women can do to catch breast cancer early.
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COHEN (voice-over): She found out on the campaign trail. She felt a lump, and it was cancer. We don't know enough about the details of Elizabeth Edwards' case to know what her future holds. Will she have the lump removed, or a full mastectomy? Will she need radiation and chemotherapy, or just radiation?
But we do know this, breast cancer is far from a death sentence it used to be. In fact, when breast cancer is caught early, 98 percent of the women survive. There are two million breast cancer survivors in the United States.
DR. CARL DORSI, DIR. OF BREAST IMAGING, EMORY UNIVERSITY: We are very well armed in seeking to control and hopefully prevent breast cancer. Every day there are new discoveries coming out.
COHEN: Treatments include surgery, chemotherapy, radiation and hormones, depending upon the type of tumor.
DORSI: Breast cancer is not just one disease. We know that it's a very variable disease, and maybe even different within one tumor itself. COHEN: To catch breast cancer early, doctors urge self exams every month and doctor exams every year. And women over age 40 should have a annual mammograms.
There are certain things that make a woman more likely to get breast cancer, if she's over age 50, has a family history of the disease, if she's overweight or has more than two alcoholic drink as day. But usually breast cancer is random. There's no explanation. Most women have no known risk factors, only reassurances that breast cancer is usually treatable.
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COHEN: Mrs. Edwards discovered the lump last week, but didn't see a doctor until this week.
WALLACE: Is that a problem, the fact that she delayed discovered the lump and didn't get the final diagnosis until Wednesday?
COHEN: Actually, it sounds strange, because you always say let's catch it as early as you can, but actually it's not a problem. What happens was Mrs. Edwards felt the lump, she went to a general practitioner who said this doesn't look good, and make an appointment when you can with a specialist, and she didn't do it until this week. And the doctor said that that was OK. It's a very -- breast cancer is usually a very slow growing cancer, so seeing someone on a Wednesday rather than the Friday before, it really doesn't make a difference; a matter of days doesn't make a difference.
WALLACE: Do we know if she's had a family history, if that plays a role at all?
COHEN: We don't know about her personal family history. Of course, family history can play a very strong role if your mother, or sister, aunt, grandmother had breast cancer. But it's important to remember that 80 percent of women who get breast cancer had no family history. So most women have no family history at all; it's just a pretty much random event.
WALLACE: OK, important information. Important information. Our thoughts, of course, with Elizabeth Edwards and her family as they deal with this.
Still to come here on AMERICAN MORNING, Andy's "Minding Your Business." He'll breakdown the first post-election jobs report for us.
Stay with us. That's all ahead here on AMERICAN MORNING.
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HEMMER: Welcome back, everybody.
Closer examination now what the new jobs report says and what it means. With that and a market preview, back to Andy Serwer, "Minding Your Business." A big number. ANDY SERWER, "FORTUNE" MAGAZINE: Yes, what were the economist thinking? I mean, they were way off here, right? Really stunning numbers. It's only way to put it, Bill. Number of jobs created in the month of October, you can see there are 337,000. The important point here is basically double what the economists were looking for, because they were looking for 169,000.
Get a load of some of these revisions, too, because they revised some of the previous months. We did say that we reported 96,000 jobs in September, actually now 139,000; 128,000 in August, previously. Now 198,000.
HEMMER: Wow.
SERWER: So that's pretty amazing. Let's talk about some of the sectors. Service sector, 272,000 jobs. Construction, 71,000 jobs. Manufacturing lost a little bit. And you have to go back to march of this year where we made 353,000 jobs to match that kind of level. And before that, you have to go back to March of 2000.
HEMMER: No kidding.
SERWER: The peak of the boom, the Internet bubble and all that, where he created 493,000 jobs. The unemployment rate ticking up slightly; that just means more people out there looking for work. I wouldn't take a lot of stock in that number.
Interesting that now I think all attention will be focused on the Federal Reserve and a rate hike coming up next week. I think that is an absolute a certainty.
HEMMER: Politically, when these numbers came out, my first thought went to, if Kerry won and Bush had lost, how much would this have looked like his father's administration at the end of his four years in 1992 with a recovery underway.
SERWER: Right. I mean, maybe not quite as immediate as that, because this happened just a couple days after the election. But that's true, after President Bush, the elder, lost, the economy picked up when Bill Clinton came in, and here you are the economy seems to be picking up in the second term.
HEMMER: 337,000. Thank you, Andy.
SERWER: Yes, Big number.
HEMMER: All right -- Kelly.
WALLACE: All right, no "Cafferty File" today. Instead, it's the "Toure Experience." Doesn't rhyme, but I still like it, though.
TOURE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: I want to talk about reality TV. Reality TV tends to be pretty stupid and demeaning for both contestants and viewers alike, and yet it's come to dominate modern pop culture. Now, me, I cringe at the name of the genre, because there's nothing realistic about airlifting 16 adults to the South Pacific or corralling 30 women to compete for the affection of one guy. How come none of them say, I just don't like him. Indeed, "Friends" and "Seinfeld" are way more realistic than "Survivor" and "The Bachelor," but I digress. Even though reality TV is less than intellectually stimulating, it's being studied in American universities.
HEMMER: No, please.
TOURE: Indiana University, former home of Bobby Knight, has a class called "The Surreal World of Reality TV."
HEMMER: Go Hoosiers.
TOURE: it covers historical, legal, ethical, psychological and sociological perspectives on reality TV. Little Centenary College in New Jersey offers the sociology of reality TV, Tufts, a great school in Massachusetts, has a reality TV as the sight of knowledge production. And Northern Illinois University has a class modeled on "The Apprentice," where your grade depends on how long you last before the professor fires you.
And the expansion of reality TV's hegemony continues, coming soon to a mall near you. In South Africa now, they have this major network called M-Net, which has reality TV booths that go in the mall. Remember those old photo booths they used to have -- like that. You go in the booth, you do your thing. The network airs the best and worst of the tapes, and there you go. When Andy Warhol said, well, I'll be famous for 15 minutes, he was talking about reality TV.
HEMMER: He meant it. That is true.
I like that course at NIU, by the way. Oh, God.
TOURE: Oh, god.
HEMMER: Butter up to the professor, stay on the job. How's "The Apprentice" doing in the second season, by the way?
TOURE: I'm loving it. I mean, it's doing great. I was crushed by last night.
HEMMER: What happened?
TOURE: My fellow metrosexual brother Rog got kicked off.
SERWER: Calling yourself a metrosexual.
TOURE: Hey, man.
SERWER: I don't know that I'm ready to do that personally.
WALLACE: It's working on you, Andy.
SERWER: No, I'm good where I am right now. Thank you, Kelly. HEMMER: You're a bigger man than we are.
TOURE: That's right, baby.
HEMMER: In a moment here, we're looking ahead to President Bush's second term in his cabinet. Who stays and who goes? David Gergen, former presidential adviser, has a number of thoughts on this lineup. Back in a moment, we'll talk to David after this.
WALLACE: Still to come, Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat is reportedly near death, but there is still no word on a successor, who's most likely to fill that role. A look at that ahead on AMERICAN MORNING.
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