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9/11 Families Urge Congress to Pass Intelligence Reform Bill; A Look at Spyware
Aired December 05, 2004 - 09:00 ET
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TONY HARRIS, CNN ANCHOR: It's time to straighten up a little bit.
BETTY NGUYEN, CNN ANCHOR: It is.
HARRIS: Quite right.
From the CNN Center in Atlanta, this is CNN SUNDAY MORNING. It is December 5, 9:00 a.m. here in the East and 6:00 a.m. out West. Good morning, everyone. I'm Tony Harris.
NGUYEN: And I'm Betty Nguyen. Thanks for being with us today. Here are the stories "Now in the News."
A deadly day in Iraq. Twenty-one Iraqis are dead in three separate insurgent attacks. The victims are 17 civilians working for coalition forces and four Iraqi police. In the biggest attack, gunmen in two vehicles opened fire on buses, letting the workers off near Tikrit.
Meanwhile, the only humanitarian group in Falluja says it will temporarily suspend its operations there. The Iraqi Red Crescent says it will stop working for two days as part of an agreement with coalition forces who will soon be conducting security searches in that area. The group works with Marines to hand out foods and supplies to citizens still in the battle-torn city.
Elsewhere in the Middle East, Egypt and Israel confirm a prisoner exchange. Azzam Azzam is back in Israel after spending eight years in a Egyptian prison for spying, and the Israelis are releasing six Egyptian students. The six were captured after sneaking into Israel, and were charged with conspiring to kidnap Israeli soldiers.
And in France, police are trying to prevent a potentially dangerous situation. A French soldier has holed himself up with explosives inside an explosive warehouse where he works and is threatening to blow up some 62 tons of the dangerous materials. About 400 people have been evacuated from nearby villages about 660 miles east of Paris. Police not sure why the soldier is making those threats.
HARRIS: And coming up this hour in our segment "A Soldier's Story," he couldn't find a job, so he headed to Iraq as a soldier. Here how a once homeless man is going from the rough streets of Atlanta to the tough streets of Iraq. And think you can hide behind a computer? Well, private eyes are probably watching you. Beware. Spyware, it could be all over your PC but hiding in plain sight.
Ever heard of it? What you don't know could hurt you. We'll explain.
And going once, going twice, sold to the highest clicker. Well, eBay is a mainstay of auction sites abound on the Internet. We will tell you which ones are hot and which ones are not in our "Best of the Web" segment.
NGUYEN: But first, relatives of some 9/11 victims are holding vigils around the country. They are demanding lawmakers vote on the intelligence reform bill when the lame duck Congress returns to work tomorrow.
Now, the measure is being held up by some House Republicans who say the bill does not do the job. The president is also trying to persuade lawmakers to bring the bill to a vote.
And CNN's Kathleen Koch joins us now from the White House with all of this.
Good morning, Kathleen.
KATHLEEN KOCH, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Good morning, Betty.
And President Bush is in a very interesting position. He was initially against creating the 9/11 Commission, and now he has become a cheerleader for this intelligence reform bill that implements its recommendations.
The president and the vice president have been personally calling lawmakers to lobby for its passage. So has senior White House adviser Karl Rove. But now in addition to countering the opposition of some House Republicans, a key GOP senator may need persuading.
Senator John Warner, chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, in a statement Friday worried that the measure could disrupt the chain of command, slowing key intelligence from reaching military troops in the field. Mr. Bush in his weekend radio address insisted that that wouldn't happen and said that the measure would make the country safer.
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GEORGE W. BUSH, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: To protect America our country needs the best possible intelligence. The recommendations of the 9/11 Commission chart a clear, sensible path toward needed reforms to our government's intelligence capabilities. I strongly support most of those recommendations. And my administration is already implementing the vast majority of those that can be enacted without a vote of Congress.
(END VIDEO CLIP) KOCH: And the bill's fortunes may be boosted by the endorsement of a top Pentagon leader. The chairman of the Joints Chiefs of Staff, General Richard Myers, Thursday said that his initial concerns about the intelligence bill have been addressed.
President Bush is expected to continue lobbying as Congress does get back to work on Monday. There's even a letter ready to send to lawmakers if necessary, making the president's case. But there growing concern right now that if Congress bucks President Bush on this measure, that this could signal a bumpy road ahead for other items that the president wants to get through Congress -- Betty.
NGUYEN: Absolutely. And Kathleen, I want to ask you, though, what are you hearing from Washington insiders about how confident the president is that he can get Republicans to pass this?
KOCH: Well, Betty, that's really a tossup right now. It's not clear one way or another.
As we all recall, right after the election Mr. Bush said he had earned some political capital and he intended to spend it. I don't think that anyone thought he would be spending it this early. And, indeed, they're really using it to try to persuade, to arm wrestle members of his own party. So it's really unclear, but certainly we will know in a matter of days whether or not he's been successful.
NGUYEN: Absolutely. CNN's Kathleen Koch at the White House. Thank you, Kathleen.
And what do you think? Will the intelligence reform bill make America safer? Email us now at WAM@CNN.com and we will read your comments throughout the show.
HARRIS: And still in the war on terror, President Bush praises Pakistan's effort to flush out Osama bin Laden, even though that country has scaled back its search. The president met with Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf at the White House yesterday. Mr. Musharraf says his country is still committed to finding the al Qaeda leader, as well as other terrorists.
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PERVEZ MUSHARRAF, PAKISTANI PRESIDENT: When you talk only of bin Laden, frankly, there is no -- the issue is not going and locating one individual. We are operating against all terrorists. Now, within that, we don't know where he is. He may be anywhere.
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HARRIS: CNN's Wolf Blitzer sat down for an exclusive interview with President Musharraf. You can watch it this afternoon on "LATE EDITION" beginning at noon Eastern.
NGUYEN: Looking briefly this morning at the Iraq war front, 21 Iraqis have been killed so far today alone. Seventeen were civilians gunned down on their way to work near Tikrit. Four were Iraqi security personnel killed in two attacks. Small arms fire in Samarra and a suicide car bomb north of that city.
Meanwhile, in the battle-damaged city of Falluja, the Iraqi Red Crescent is suspending operation for two days. The Red Crescent has been helping the U.S. Marines distribute food, water and medicine. The pause is to allow security searches of the area where the aid group has had its headquarters.
HARRIS: And today's deaths cap a bloody weekend in Iraq. Saturday's casualties include 16 killed and 38 wounded in two car bomb explosions in a busy intersection near Baghdad's Green Zone. CNN's Karl Penhaul went to a hospital and talked with some of those wounded people.
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KARL PENHAUL, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Smoke billows skyward minutes after two car bombs explode. Seconds later, you can hear the bullets fly as insurgents trade fire with Iraqi guards, manning two checkpoints into the fortified Green Zone.
Iraqi officials say the main target was just opposite a district police station. As the ambulances shuffle away the dead and injured, it's clear the police have borne the brunt of the blast. It's been a busy few days at Baghdad's Yarmuk (ph) hospital after a wave of guerrilla strikes across the capital.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translator): We were standing outside when we saw the car drive up with the young man. Suddenly it exploded. It's a process that took no longer than 10 seconds, and then everybody was dead in the street.
PENHAUL: Insurgents seem to be increasingly target security forces, instead of better-equipped, better-trained coalition troops. Muqthad Tali Ali (ph) joined the police just nine days ago, one of the riskiest jobs in the country right now. The pay roughly $220 a month.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translator): The hunger was killing my family. We have no work. What are we supposed to do? Steal?
PENHAUL: He's been watching medics bandage up his wounded buddies all morning and wheeling out others who died. He says he had a premonition.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translator): Just this morning we were thinking that today something was going to happen to us. I had a dream last night that I was passing around empty glasses. If they were full I would have died.
PENHAUL: Ali's (ph) leg has been ripped apart. Looking at the stretches of blood in the yard, it could have been worse. Each day since Ali (ph) began his new job he kisses his wife goodbye and warns her he might not make it home.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translator): I tell her that if I die she should get married again. Where else would she go, back to her family? It's better for her to remarry. PENHAUL (on camera): And as the countdown to the January 30 elections continues, government officials believe the resistance fighters whom they describe as desperadoes will step up their sabotage campaign.
Karl Penhaul, CNN Baghdad.
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NGUYEN: And American troops in Iraq who won't make it home for the holidays will be getting care packages stuffed with goodies. Volunteers in Fort Belvoir, Virginia, packed thousands of boxes yesterday, with items ranging from phone calling cards to snacks. The USO, or United Service Organizations, hosted that event. Their goal was to fill more than 20,000 packages in a single day.
HARRIS: About 138,000 U.S. troops are in Iraq. Most have to put their personal lives and careers on hold when they serve. But one Atlanta man hopes to get his life started. CNN's Sara Dorsey explains.
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ROBERT HENDERSON, GEORGIA NATIONAL GUARD: This is the bulletproof vest that you have to wear.
SARA DORSEY, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Robert Henderson is heading to Iraq. Not necessarily because he wants to go, but because he feels the battlefield has more to offer than the opportunities at home.
(on camera): Why did you sign up?
HENDERSON: Well, employment, like I said, for the first job.
DORSEY (voice-over): A steady full-time job is all he's hoping for. After being laid off from work, Henderson's life was a battle to survive. For about a year he was homeless, living anywhere he could.
HENDERSON: And you lay your mat and your sleeping bag down, put up your tent, and, you know, you're sleeping and hope for a better tomorrow.
DORSEY: A better tomorrow usually only meant getting a roof over his head.
HENDERSON: And so we would come here, people would just find a spot out here where they could sleep.
DORSEY (on camera): Oh, so you were -- you were on the floor.
HENDERSON: On the floor. On the floor, yes. Yes.
DORSEY (voice-over): But sleeping on the floor was not where Henderson planned on staying. Then came a break, two part-time jobs.
He was hired into the superb (ph) project, an Atlanta program designed to help the homeless get back on their feet. For $35 a day he picked up trash. Together, with his fiance, Marie, Henderson was finally able to get an apartment.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It's been very hard. And I have never been in this situation before until recently, and I did not believe how hard it was to get back up.
DORSEY: But when his second job, a seasonal one a the ballpark, came to an end, Henderson felt his only option for steady work was the National Guard.
HENDERSON: Going to work. They are employing me.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Here we are on the sendoff of Robert Henderson.
DORSEY: A success story honored by a city for completing one program, but faced again with a hard decision: homelessness or the horror of war. Henderson chose to serve.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Good speed, and be safe. And you will be in our thoughts and prayers.
DORSEY: Sara Dorsey, CNN Atlanta.
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NGUYEN: All right. Something is watching you, and it lives in your computer. Oh, yes, that's right. All you need to know about spyware, Tony, that is coming up.
HARRIS: Plus, rallying for a recount as some say their votes for John Kerry were not counted. The Reverend Jesse Jackson joins us live.
NGUYEN: And good morning, Las Vegas. We will have your complete weather forecast in about 10 minutes. You can bet on that.
Stay with us.
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HARRIS: Checking our top stories now, 21 Iraqis are dead after three separate attacks this morning near Tikrit. Insurgents killed 17 civilians who worked for a private contractor. And an attack near Beiji left three National Guardsmen dead. And in Samarra, an Iraqi soldier was killed when insurgents attacked his convoy.
In Falluja, a temporary halt in aid. The Iraqi Red Crescent is suspending relief work for two days to allow coalition troops to do security sweeps.
President Bush throws new weight behind the recommendations of the 9/11 Commission. He says the panel's findings chart a clear, sensible path to reform, and he's urging Congress to quickly pass the stalled measures. After spending eight years in an Egyptian jail, an Israeli businessman returns home. But it wasn't an ordinary prison release. We'll get a live report from Jerusalem in just about 15 minutes.
NGUYEN: Now to the growing steroid scandal surrounding Major League Baseball. The Players Union will talk about their tougher penalties and more frequent testing at a meeting tomorrow. Meantime, Senator John McCain is threatening a political crackdown if the league does not police itself. He says the scandal goes far beyond the individual athletes.
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SEN. JOHN MCCAIN (R), ARIZONA: It's very clear that there was a number of people involved in this. And finally, I don't care much about Mr. Bonds or Mr. Sheffield or anybody else. What I care about are high school athletes who are tempted to use steroids because they think that's the only way they can make it in the major leagues.
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NGUYEN: The head of a company accused of distributing steroids tells ABC it's easy for many athletes to skirt the current rules -- Tony.
HARRIS: Tired of pesky pop-ups? Is your PC running super slow? Spyware could be to blame. We have what you need to know about this pesky problem. That's coming up.
NGUYEN: Plus, when this tiny football team was told they would be in the playoffs, well, they refused to play. What changed their tune when CNN SUNDAY MORNING returns.
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NGUYEN: Well, good morning, Las Vegas. Look at that blue sky this morning, where cowboys and cowgirls from around the world are gathering today for the Wrangler National Finals Rodeo. About 120 cowboys will do their thing in seven events, including bareback riding, bull riding, and Tony's favorite, barrel racing.
HARRIS: Yes.
NGUYEN: Up for grabs, a $5 million prize, and the epitome of cowboy style. We're talking gold belt buckles, of course.
HARRIS: Nice. Nice.
We begin our look at news "Across America" with one man who came between a father and son. Democratic state Representative Charles Millicon won the congressional seat in Louisiana's third district in a runoff yesterday. He defeated Republican Billy Tauzin III. Tauzin ran to secede his father, Representative Billy Tauzin Sr, who once held the seat.
In the 7th district, Republican Charles Boustani Jr. beat Democrat state senator Willie Landry Mount. I don't know if I put enough Cajun on that.
In New Hampshire, Senator John Kerry says thank you to his supporters. Kerry visited the state yesterday to acknowledge their hard work during the campaign. The Granite State placed its four electoral votes in Kerry's column. That was a reverse course from four years ago when New Hampshire went to President Bush.
In California, putting the Ho-Ho Hoya in Christmas. Oscar de la Hoya hosted an annual Christmas toy giveaway in Los Angeles yesterday. The world champion boxer handed out toys to about 3,500 children and their families.
Also in California, pitting prayers and praise against Xs, and Os. The Generals finally have their say, the Fontana Generals. A youth football team successfully lobbied to move their championship game from today to Tuesday.
The nine and 10-year-olds boycotted today's planned playoff game, saying they wouldn't miss church to play football. When told of the news, one proud parent said, "We give credit to Jesus."
NGUYEN: Hopefully they will play well on it Tuesday.
But today, Orelon Sidney joins us.
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NGUYEN: Thank you, Orleon.
Well, if you use the Internet, but have never heard about spyware, you need to get up to speed. Odds are pretty good that, on your computer at home, you are being secretly tracked or recorded. Now, that includes sensitive information like passwords.
CNN technology correspondent Daniel Sieberg has more.
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DANIEL SIEBERG, CNN TECHNOLOGY CORRESPONDENT: You may not know much about spyware, but let's start with something you probably know way too much about, those pesky pop-up ads.
(voice-over): The pop-up ad for the X10 camera -- remember that? It was among the very first pop up ads to really sweep the Web. For a while there in 2001, it popped up again and again and again.
(on camera): Back then, such ads were pretty new. But to help illustrate how things have changed, imagine that this tennis racket is like the cursor or the mouse on your screen and you're trying to close down those pop up ads. Well, initially, there was sort of a slow, steady stream -- annoying, but still manageable. Then, along came something called spyware, little software programs that would install themselves on your computer. And pretty soon that slow, steady stream turned into a raging flood, a torrent, if you will, of pop up ads popping up faster than you can close them down. A little help? (voice-over): And that's no coincidence. Most spyware is adware, as in advertisements, pus designed to force you to click on them. But other versions of spyware actually track you around the Web, reporting your movements back to third parties. Some spyware even records everything you type, including sensitive information.
How does this stuff get on your computer in the first place?
Well, you get it just by surfing the Web. When you visit certain sites, spyware programs insert themselves on your machine.
(on camera): So how do you know if you've got it? Well, the truth is there's no easy way to know. Look around on your desktop and you're not going to find an icon for spyware. That's because the people who make spyware don't want you to know that it's there.
(voice-over): One big tip-off that your machine has been infected is it'll start to run slower, freeze up or even crash frequently. A recent study found that nine out of 10 computers connected to the Internet have been compromised with spyware lots of times. Dozens of different spyware programs are running all at the same time.
We sat down with Mark Rasch, a lawyer and computer security expert with the company Solutionary, to find out more.
(on camera): Now, spyware, beyond just providing all of these pop up ads, you're saying that it collects information, it collects what I am typing? What do they then do with that information?
MARK RASCH, SOLUTIONARY, INC.: What we've created with the Internet is this whole market economy in personal information. It's very important for me to know what are you looking at, what are you buying, what are you not buying, what time of day are you surfing, who are you. So there's a whole marketplace for information. And so what that spyware is trying to do is collect that information and the people who are purveying it trying to sell it.
SIEBERG (on camera): Actually, we've been tracked online since the early days of the Web through something called a cookie. Most company Web sites use them. Here's how they work. When you visit Company X's Web site, a small file gets placed on your computer called a cookie, which tracks your movement on that particular Web site and remembers things like the links you clicked on and how long you were there.
Now, once you leave that Web site, the cookie stays on your computer. But it doesn't report back on where else you go on the Web.
Not so with spyware. It can follow you anywhere.
RASCH: So here we have a computer that's acting very sluggish and we don't know why.
SIEBERG (voice-over): We turned off the spyware filter on a computer in our office then we ran some spyware scanning software to see what it picked up.
RASCH: So we'll run one of the programs here and see how many copies of spyware we've got on this machine.
SIEBERG: How many would you guess are on there?
RASCH: I would guess if it's been running for about a day and a half, I would guess probably around a thousand.
SIEBERG: A thousand different programs or files that are all trying to generate ads and get your information?
RASCH: That's right. So, so far, in the last six or seven seconds, it's got 211 different objects recognized and 44 running processes.
SIEBERG: It's just overwhelming at this point.
RASCH: And so what people end up doing is they end up buying new computers that they don't need, simply because their old computers are just filled with this gunk.
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NGUYEN: Gunk is right. This year, two bills prohibiting spyware passed through the House but stalled in the Senate. They would levy fines or even jail time against someone who hijacks a person's Internet use or steals information. But there will be almost certainly enforcement issues, and it likely will not solve the whole problem.
So, for now, it's up to you. Download an anti-spyware program Ad-Aware, Spy Sweeper or Spyware Doctor, and scan your computer. It won't take long, and you will be amazed and probably unnerved by what you find.
Tony, I've had this problem. You say you have, too. They just keep popping up.
HARRIS: Yes. Yes. And sometimes that's what you do. You get a whole new computer, and whatever that costs, instead of trying to deal with the problem because it's just such a nuisance.
NGUYEN: A mess.
Calling for a recount in Ohio, supporters yesterday spoke out, saying John Kerry was robbed of his electoral votes. The Reverend Jesse Jackson joins us next when CNN SUNDAY MORNING returns.
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NGUYEN: An Israeli businessman is back home after spending eight years in an Egyptian prison for spying. So what was the give-and-take surrounding his release?
Welcome back. I'm Betty Nguyen. HARRIS: And I'm Tony Harris. A live report from Jerusalem is coming up. First, here's what's happening "Now in the News."
The Iraqi Red Crescent will suspend its relief operations in Falluja for two days. The break will allow U.S. troop to conduct security searches in the area where the aid group has its headquarters. The Red Crescent is the only aid agency in the city. It's been distributing food, water and medicine.
Twenty-one Iraqis have been killed so far today, including 17 civilians shot down on their way to work near Tikrit. In two other attacks north of Baghdad, three Iraqi National Guardsmen and one Iraqi soldier were killed.
Meantime, two U.S. soldiers were killed yesterday in an attack in Mosul. According to numbers from the Pentagon, that brings the number of hostile deaths of U.S. soldiers in Iraq to 1,000.
Twenty-three miners are dead after an explosion ripped through a coal mine in Kazakhstan. Eighty-seven people were working in the mine when the blast happened early this morning. Two of the injured miners were hospitalized, and the third was released after treatment.
NGUYEN: A prisoner exchange this morning between Israel and Egypt. Could it lead to warmer relations between the two Mideast neighbors? Some people on both sides of the border are hoping so.
CNN's John Vause joins us now live from Jerusalem with the detail.
Hi, John.
JOHN VAUSE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Hello, Betty.
It really seemed to come from nowhere. Suddenly today, the Israeli and the Egyptian governments both announced there would be this prisoner swap.
The Egyptians releasing Azzam Azzam, an Israeli-Arab businessman who spent the last eight years in an Egyptian jail. He was accused of spying on Egypt for the Israeli Secret Service. It's a charge both Azzam and the Israeli government have always denied.
A few hours ago he crossed from Egypt into Israel. He spoke by phone with his family. They have been celebrating. He is on a plane home to his village in the northern part of Israel.
He also spoke by phone with the prime minister, Ariel Sharon, thanking the prime minister for personally negotiating his release. The prime minister welcomed Azzam home.
Now, in return, the Israeli government has agreed to free six Egyptian students who were arrested in August. They were charged with illegally entering Israel, armed with an air gun, as well as 14 knives. Now, prosecutors say these Egyptian students were part of a plot to kidnap and kill Israeli soldiers and also to be part of an elaborate bank robbery which involved commandeering an Israeli tank. Now, those students have been released and they, too, are now heading home -- Betty.
NGUYEN: CNN's John Vause in Jerusalem. Thank you, John -- Tony.
HARRIS: The Navy is investigating a new batch of photos that seem to show mistreatment of Iraqi prisoners. CNN's Kimberly Osias has that report.
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KIMBERLY OSIAS, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Caught on film. These photos posted on the Internet by the wife of a U.S. serviceman. She says he brought them home after a tour in Iraq, according to The Associated Press.
One detainee appearing to be grabbed at the neck. Another appearing with a bloody face. Navy officials say at the minimum poor judgment was exhibited by the elite servicemen.
A preliminary investigation is currently under way to see if there was any criminal wrongdoing. The date stamp on the photo indicates May 2003, months before the far more brutal photos taken from Iraq's Abu Ghraib prison. Former military officials say there's a vast gulf between the two cases. According to experts, these may have been taken at a point of capture, where different standards apply.
KEN ROBINSON, CNN MILITARY ANALYST: At a point when you are trying to capture an enemy, you need to be aggressive. You need to be rough, because you neat to disarm them and you need to make sure they are no longer a threat to you or your unit.
OSIAS: CNN's military analyst Ken Robinson urges caution.
ROBINSON: These issues are complex. We need to hopefully let the chain of command identify specifically what the context was, and then let's look to scrutinize to judge it.
OSIAS: What exactly this means difficult to say since the conditions surrounding the pictures are still under investigation. Navy special warfare command spokesperson Jeff Bender says, "There are strict Navy regulations prohibiting photographs of detainees for other than official purposes. Additionally, prior to deployment naval special warfare personnel are instructed that taking unofficial photographs of POWs and detainees is prohibited."
(on camera): Experts say there are circumstances where photographing detainees is important, like for identification and documentation. Sources say if the preliminary investigation suggests criminal wrongdoing, the Navy Criminal Investigative Services will be called in. As of yet, that hasn't happened.
Kimberly Osias, CNN, Washington.
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HARRIS: Well, the presidential election may be over, but the fallout continues, at least in Ohio. Yesterday, about 400 people rallied at the state house in Columbus to protest alleged voting fraud in the Buckeye State. They say John Kerry wrongly lost key votes to President Bush. One group contesting the election results in the state supreme court.
Ohio became the battleground state this year. Our next guest is one of the most prominent voices to question the Ohio vote. The Reverend Jesse Jackson says there are too many questions still unanswered one month after the election. Reverend Jackson joins us this morning from Chicago.
Reverend Jackson, good to see you.
REVEREND JESSE JACKSON, RAINBOW PUSH COALITION: Good morning. What is astounding is that this December the 5th, a month and three days later, and the election has not been certified. So really, in reality, it is not over. The press has left, and Kerry has left, but the election is not certified yet.
HARRIS: So Reverend Jackson, what is the main, the number one issue you want an answer to? What's your -- what's your top question?
JACKSON: A host of irregularities. The top question is that the election has not been certified.
Why has it not been certified? Because you have 88 counties. In those counties, you have different machines and different mechanisms of determining who is counted and who is discounted.
There are questions about the military ballots and the question about the absentee ballots. And so there's not yet an account. Because there are some gross inconsistencies, there will be an appeal in court tomorrow for relief. And that relief consists of a recount to address these irregularities.
HARRIS: Well, I was going to ask you, if it's over tomorrow, you know Ken Blackwell is going to certify the results in Ohio tomorrow. But I guess you are saying it's not over then?
JACKSON: No, he's certifying it a month and four days later. Can you imagine in other states a month and four days later certifying the elections, or in the Ukraine certifying the election a month and four days later? It is very suggestive.
We should never again have a case where the secretary of state is a partisan supporter of one candidate and expected to be a fair judge of the whole process. You can't be an owner of the team and be the umpire the seventh game of the World Series.
HARRIS: Well, Reverend Jackson, David Cobb, as you know, the Green Party, and Michael Badnarik of the Libertarian Party are going to challenge the results. Once they are certified, are you joining them, or are you plotting something a little different?
JACKSON: No, absolutely joining them, because they are the ones at this point who are standing in the court. You have things -- for example, Ellen Connally, an African-American running for supreme court justice in Cuyahoga County, in Cleveland, where she is best known, Kerry got 120,000 more votes than she got.
Then around Cincinnati, Butler County, Clermont County, where she is least well known, in 15 counties she got 190,000 more than -- that he got. Well, is that a glitch?
They want the machines to come under forensic computer analysis. We can accept the winner winning and the loser losing. But right now there is so much doubt cast.
HARRIS: Right.
JACKSON: In the -- in the spring of the year, you could vote in the county provisionally. But by November you could only vote in precincts. Some places you had three precincts in one room. So if you went to line A, and you were not in that line, you had to go back out to line C.
There were others (ph) confused. That's why you have a month and five days later no certification. And Americans deserve better.
HARRIS: OK. Are you disappointed? I'm not going to lay it on the Kerry campaign. Let's go right to John Kerry.
Are you disappointed John Kerry conceded the election? Do you think he did it too soon?
JACKSON: He conceded too quickly and not on good information. But with a $15 million surplus, he had some obligation, legal, moral and political, to pull up some of that money to demand an even -- an even, fair count for all of the citizens of that state. And his voice and his resources should be used to assure all of America that this election is fair and square.
HARRIS: But Reverend Jackson, he says there's no way to change the results.
JACKSON: Well, in my judgment, he promised to cover the people's back and not let -- and then let every vote count. And so far every voice has not been counted. And so that is the promise he made, the legal, political, moral obligation.
I hope that his coming into one of the suits last week in Ohio is just a step in the right direction. But there will be a court suit filed tomorrow morning, and, of course, the supreme court justice who hear it should be recused, because he, in fact, is a partisan Republican who ran for state election.
Again, we want -- we want what? We want an investigation, we want electronic forensic experts to look at those machines. We want a recount, and we want those who ran it to be recused. And that's a reasonable expectation.
HARRIS: But you do -- but you do accept that President Bush won Ohio and the election?
JACKSON: I don't accept it, and you don't either, because you don't know. How can you -- you keep arriving at the -- investigation -- you can't start an investigation without a conclusion.
We need to know whether the integrity of the machines is an issue, of counting the votes is an issue. Discounting the votes is an issue. And until these issues are resolved, as Americans, we have the right to protest for the right -- the right to appeal for relief.
And we seek that relief. We seek the full knowledge that this election was -- was -- is over and on a fair basis. Right now none of us know that, neither you nor I.
HARRIS: Reverend Jackson, good to see you.
JACKSON: Thank you.
HARRIS: Always good to talk to you.
And right now I think we have a statement from Ken Blackwell. No, this is the press secretary for the Ohio secretary of state, who says, "Ohio's process really isn't the problem here. It's a bipartisan election system. Democrats and Republicans are working together to make sure that they get it right. I think the problem is that Reverend Jackson's candidate didn't win."
And that's from Ken Blackwell's office. Ken Blackwell is the secretary of state in Ohio.
NGUYEN: Time now to take a look at some of the stories that will be making headlines this week.
Steroids will be the hot topic at tomorrow's meeting of the executive board of the baseball Players Union. Baseball's drug testing policies are being scrutinized after reports about steroid use by some of the league's top players.
Congress is back in session tomorrow after its holiday break. The September 11th Commission and the White House are urging lawmakers to pass the intelligence reform bill that has stalled since last month.
Hamid Karzai will be sworn in Tuesday as Afghanistan's newly- elected president. Vice President Dick Cheney will attend that inauguration. He is the most senior U.S. official to visit since the Taliban were overthrown in 2001.
Well, are you interested in buying and selling online? And do you think you know the best place to do it? Well, there are just some other Web sites out there that you may not be familiar with. And that happens to be this week's "Best of the Web" when we return.
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HARRIS: And welcome back to CNN SUNDAY MORNING, everyone. I'm Tony Harris.
Checking our top stories now, an Israeli businessman jailed in Egypt was released today as part of an agreement between the two countries. In exchange, six Egyptian students held in Israel were also released.
In Iraq, at least 21 Iraqis have been killed so far today in three separate insurgent attacks. In one incident, 17 civilians were gunned down near Tikrit on their way to work.
And baseball Players Union executives meet tomorrow amid a threat from Senator John McCain to fix the steroid scandal or face legislative action.
Doing it eBay. The Web site auctions just about anything, everything. But a ghost? Coming right up, we'll tell you how a woman is trying to sell the spirit haunting her home.
NGUYEN: Back to that ghost in just a minute, but first another auction. The city of Chicago is for sale. Well, not the city itself, but for a price, you can paint the Chicago River green, flip the switch on Buckingham Fountain, or own an original "Playboy" bunny costume, size zero.
It's all on eBay, and it is to raise money for Chicago's arts fund. While eBay is a mainstay on the Internet, there are many other auction sites out there. And here to talk about them is Adam Rogers of "Wired" Magazine. He's in San Francisco.
Good morning to you, Adam.
ADAM ROGERS, SENIOR ASSOCIATE EDITOR, "WIRED": Good morning.
NGUYEN: Well, we do all know about eBay and what's for sale there, some really interesting items, including that ghost story, which we'll get to in just a moment. But there are other auction sites out there, like ubid.com. What is this one all about?
ROGERS: That's right. So UBid does something a little bit different than eBay.
Where on eBay it's sort of, you know, people like you and me selling their stuff, what UBid does it tries to provide a place where corporations, you know, companies, can move their stock that they've made too much of, that they've had in had storage, that they've refit. So it's kind of a place for businesses to have a different channel to get to consumers who are looking for cheap stuff, you know, filling the nagging, empty spaces on bookshelves and that kind of thing.
NGUYEN: All right. So if manufacturers use this site, does it mean most of items are new, unlike some of the items you buy on eBay, where many of them are used? ROGERS: Yes, that's right. So, you know, as with any of these kind of shopping sites and auction sites, you have to make sure that you know what you're getting. And it's always good to have a digital picture, let's say, and be able to look at the stuff that you are buying. But because these things are coming direct from manufacturers, some of them are going to be new, you know, (UNINTELLIGIBLE), as we say in the action figure geek world.
NGUYEN: So is this site as easy as eBay in the sense that you can use your credit cards and feel safe about it?
ROGERS: Yes, it's sort of the same level of ease of use and comfort that eBay is going to have. I mean, again, you always want to have a sense of caution about where you are giving out your credit card number. But that's going to be true on eBay or, again, any other shopping site.
And UBid is just as safe as any of the others, of course. And because you are interacting with a site that is kind of vetting the companies that are selling their stuff, that gives you sort of an added level of trustworthiness.
NGUYEN: OK. Well, another auction site is Christie's. And when I think of Christie's, I think of these really expensive items that only the rich can afford. But you say that's not true.
ROGERS: Yes, it's true. I mean, you know, Christie's is this giant international auction house. And like a bunch of these other auction houses, they'll sell zillion-dollar Rembrandts and that sort of thing. But what they're also doing is they'll sell cheaper things.
The price point that they're at will vary from auction to auction. So it's not all these multimillion-dollar art sales or antiques.
I'm actually sort of looking forward to watching. In a couple of weeks they are selling rock 'n' roll memorabilia. They've got one of the Beatles' guitars, that kind of stuff. And that will probably go for more than I would necessarily want to be...
NGUYEN: I was going to say, that would kind of -- that would go for a pretty penny there, though.
ROGERS: That's right. That would probably set me back on the action figures thing again.
NGUYEN: Better save your money now. All right. What about propertyroom.com? This is a very interesting idea.
ROGERS: I love this Web site. This is really cool.
So you know how when -- when the cops confiscate stuff, like when they bust up a burglary ring, let's say, and they find a garage full of stolen stereos? All that stuff goes into a storage room someplace, and then eventually the police are supposed to auction that off. But it costs money to keep it in storage, it costs money to run the auctions.
So what PropertyRoom.com does is they essentially take all that stuff off police officers' and police department's hands -- I guess not the officers, because they're not supposed to keep that kind of thing.
NGUYEN: Right.
ROGERS: So they go -- they go into those property rooms, essentially, police departments across the country, and they auction it off. So instead of having it go down to one police plaza, you can do it on line. And they've got everything from, you know, the stereos that used to be in somebody else's car to like property in Arizona that you can buy.
NGUYEN: So you may even be able to find your own property if you've lost it or it was stolen?
ROGERS: Yes, that's true, too. They have a feature on the site that if the police department in your city is part of the consortium who contributes stuff, you know, tries to sell it on the site, then you can actually register. And if you you've had something stolen, they'll -- and it turns up on the site, you get it back.
NGUYEN: Yes, you get your stuff back. I like some of that. All right. Adam Rogers, senior associate editor of "Wired" Magazine. Thanks, Adam.
ROGERS: My pleasure.
NGUYEN: Tony.
HARRIS: Yes, but I can beat all of that. If you are looking for the most unusual Christmas gift of this holiday, bet no one on your list has a ghost.
Bidding on eBay for the spirit of the late Colin Anderson of Hobart, Indiana, is already at more than $180. Mary Anderson says she's auctioning her father's ghost because her six-year-old son is afraid of it.
Grandpa died in the house last year. Now, Mary insists the auction is no joke. And to sweeten the deal, she will throw in her late father's walking cane.
Just thought I would pass that along.
The forecast for the rest of your weekend when CNN SUNDAY MORNING returns.
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HARRIS: And Orelon, those pictures out of New Orleans, a little soupy. They look a little socked in there.
ORELON SIDNEY, CNN METEOROLOGIST: Just a little bit. I guess -- I guess it's not pea soup. I guess it would be gumbo.
HARRIS: Gumbo, there you go.
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NGUYEN: Well, way to kick of the week. All right. Thanks, Orelon.
SIDNEY: You're welcome.
NGUYEN: Now we want to go to Kelly Wallace in Washington for a preview of "INSIDE POLITICS."
KELLY WALLACE, CNN ANCHOR: Hello to you, Betty.
Coming up next on "INSIDE POLITICS SUNDAY," President Bush has made his case to Congress, pass that intelligence reform bill. But a few opponents are standing firm. We'll debate with two top members of Congress.
Plus, the cabinet shuffle. We will examine the president's pick to run the Homeland Security Department, Bernard Kerik. Is he the right man for the job?
And the most politically incorrect phrases of the year. You may be surprised at what words made the top 10.
That's all ahead at the top of the hour.
Back to you, Betty and Tony.
HARRIS: I nominate "blog."
(LAUGHTER)
NGUYEN: That's going to be on there. Thanks, Kelly.
WALLACE: I bet it will.
HARRIS: That's all for us. "INSIDE POLITICS SUNDAY" with Kelly Wallace is next after a check of the headlines.
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HARRIS: Quite right.
From the CNN Center in Atlanta, this is CNN SUNDAY MORNING. It is December 5, 9:00 a.m. here in the East and 6:00 a.m. out West. Good morning, everyone. I'm Tony Harris.
NGUYEN: And I'm Betty Nguyen. Thanks for being with us today. Here are the stories "Now in the News."
A deadly day in Iraq. Twenty-one Iraqis are dead in three separate insurgent attacks. The victims are 17 civilians working for coalition forces and four Iraqi police. In the biggest attack, gunmen in two vehicles opened fire on buses, letting the workers off near Tikrit.
Meanwhile, the only humanitarian group in Falluja says it will temporarily suspend its operations there. The Iraqi Red Crescent says it will stop working for two days as part of an agreement with coalition forces who will soon be conducting security searches in that area. The group works with Marines to hand out foods and supplies to citizens still in the battle-torn city.
Elsewhere in the Middle East, Egypt and Israel confirm a prisoner exchange. Azzam Azzam is back in Israel after spending eight years in a Egyptian prison for spying, and the Israelis are releasing six Egyptian students. The six were captured after sneaking into Israel, and were charged with conspiring to kidnap Israeli soldiers.
And in France, police are trying to prevent a potentially dangerous situation. A French soldier has holed himself up with explosives inside an explosive warehouse where he works and is threatening to blow up some 62 tons of the dangerous materials. About 400 people have been evacuated from nearby villages about 660 miles east of Paris. Police not sure why the soldier is making those threats.
HARRIS: And coming up this hour in our segment "A Soldier's Story," he couldn't find a job, so he headed to Iraq as a soldier. Here how a once homeless man is going from the rough streets of Atlanta to the tough streets of Iraq. And think you can hide behind a computer? Well, private eyes are probably watching you. Beware. Spyware, it could be all over your PC but hiding in plain sight.
Ever heard of it? What you don't know could hurt you. We'll explain.
And going once, going twice, sold to the highest clicker. Well, eBay is a mainstay of auction sites abound on the Internet. We will tell you which ones are hot and which ones are not in our "Best of the Web" segment.
NGUYEN: But first, relatives of some 9/11 victims are holding vigils around the country. They are demanding lawmakers vote on the intelligence reform bill when the lame duck Congress returns to work tomorrow.
Now, the measure is being held up by some House Republicans who say the bill does not do the job. The president is also trying to persuade lawmakers to bring the bill to a vote.
And CNN's Kathleen Koch joins us now from the White House with all of this.
Good morning, Kathleen.
KATHLEEN KOCH, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Good morning, Betty.
And President Bush is in a very interesting position. He was initially against creating the 9/11 Commission, and now he has become a cheerleader for this intelligence reform bill that implements its recommendations.
The president and the vice president have been personally calling lawmakers to lobby for its passage. So has senior White House adviser Karl Rove. But now in addition to countering the opposition of some House Republicans, a key GOP senator may need persuading.
Senator John Warner, chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, in a statement Friday worried that the measure could disrupt the chain of command, slowing key intelligence from reaching military troops in the field. Mr. Bush in his weekend radio address insisted that that wouldn't happen and said that the measure would make the country safer.
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GEORGE W. BUSH, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: To protect America our country needs the best possible intelligence. The recommendations of the 9/11 Commission chart a clear, sensible path toward needed reforms to our government's intelligence capabilities. I strongly support most of those recommendations. And my administration is already implementing the vast majority of those that can be enacted without a vote of Congress.
(END VIDEO CLIP) KOCH: And the bill's fortunes may be boosted by the endorsement of a top Pentagon leader. The chairman of the Joints Chiefs of Staff, General Richard Myers, Thursday said that his initial concerns about the intelligence bill have been addressed.
President Bush is expected to continue lobbying as Congress does get back to work on Monday. There's even a letter ready to send to lawmakers if necessary, making the president's case. But there growing concern right now that if Congress bucks President Bush on this measure, that this could signal a bumpy road ahead for other items that the president wants to get through Congress -- Betty.
NGUYEN: Absolutely. And Kathleen, I want to ask you, though, what are you hearing from Washington insiders about how confident the president is that he can get Republicans to pass this?
KOCH: Well, Betty, that's really a tossup right now. It's not clear one way or another.
As we all recall, right after the election Mr. Bush said he had earned some political capital and he intended to spend it. I don't think that anyone thought he would be spending it this early. And, indeed, they're really using it to try to persuade, to arm wrestle members of his own party. So it's really unclear, but certainly we will know in a matter of days whether or not he's been successful.
NGUYEN: Absolutely. CNN's Kathleen Koch at the White House. Thank you, Kathleen.
And what do you think? Will the intelligence reform bill make America safer? Email us now at WAM@CNN.com and we will read your comments throughout the show.
HARRIS: And still in the war on terror, President Bush praises Pakistan's effort to flush out Osama bin Laden, even though that country has scaled back its search. The president met with Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf at the White House yesterday. Mr. Musharraf says his country is still committed to finding the al Qaeda leader, as well as other terrorists.
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PERVEZ MUSHARRAF, PAKISTANI PRESIDENT: When you talk only of bin Laden, frankly, there is no -- the issue is not going and locating one individual. We are operating against all terrorists. Now, within that, we don't know where he is. He may be anywhere.
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HARRIS: CNN's Wolf Blitzer sat down for an exclusive interview with President Musharraf. You can watch it this afternoon on "LATE EDITION" beginning at noon Eastern.
NGUYEN: Looking briefly this morning at the Iraq war front, 21 Iraqis have been killed so far today alone. Seventeen were civilians gunned down on their way to work near Tikrit. Four were Iraqi security personnel killed in two attacks. Small arms fire in Samarra and a suicide car bomb north of that city.
Meanwhile, in the battle-damaged city of Falluja, the Iraqi Red Crescent is suspending operation for two days. The Red Crescent has been helping the U.S. Marines distribute food, water and medicine. The pause is to allow security searches of the area where the aid group has had its headquarters.
HARRIS: And today's deaths cap a bloody weekend in Iraq. Saturday's casualties include 16 killed and 38 wounded in two car bomb explosions in a busy intersection near Baghdad's Green Zone. CNN's Karl Penhaul went to a hospital and talked with some of those wounded people.
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KARL PENHAUL, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Smoke billows skyward minutes after two car bombs explode. Seconds later, you can hear the bullets fly as insurgents trade fire with Iraqi guards, manning two checkpoints into the fortified Green Zone.
Iraqi officials say the main target was just opposite a district police station. As the ambulances shuffle away the dead and injured, it's clear the police have borne the brunt of the blast. It's been a busy few days at Baghdad's Yarmuk (ph) hospital after a wave of guerrilla strikes across the capital.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translator): We were standing outside when we saw the car drive up with the young man. Suddenly it exploded. It's a process that took no longer than 10 seconds, and then everybody was dead in the street.
PENHAUL: Insurgents seem to be increasingly target security forces, instead of better-equipped, better-trained coalition troops. Muqthad Tali Ali (ph) joined the police just nine days ago, one of the riskiest jobs in the country right now. The pay roughly $220 a month.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translator): The hunger was killing my family. We have no work. What are we supposed to do? Steal?
PENHAUL: He's been watching medics bandage up his wounded buddies all morning and wheeling out others who died. He says he had a premonition.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translator): Just this morning we were thinking that today something was going to happen to us. I had a dream last night that I was passing around empty glasses. If they were full I would have died.
PENHAUL: Ali's (ph) leg has been ripped apart. Looking at the stretches of blood in the yard, it could have been worse. Each day since Ali (ph) began his new job he kisses his wife goodbye and warns her he might not make it home.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translator): I tell her that if I die she should get married again. Where else would she go, back to her family? It's better for her to remarry. PENHAUL (on camera): And as the countdown to the January 30 elections continues, government officials believe the resistance fighters whom they describe as desperadoes will step up their sabotage campaign.
Karl Penhaul, CNN Baghdad.
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NGUYEN: And American troops in Iraq who won't make it home for the holidays will be getting care packages stuffed with goodies. Volunteers in Fort Belvoir, Virginia, packed thousands of boxes yesterday, with items ranging from phone calling cards to snacks. The USO, or United Service Organizations, hosted that event. Their goal was to fill more than 20,000 packages in a single day.
HARRIS: About 138,000 U.S. troops are in Iraq. Most have to put their personal lives and careers on hold when they serve. But one Atlanta man hopes to get his life started. CNN's Sara Dorsey explains.
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ROBERT HENDERSON, GEORGIA NATIONAL GUARD: This is the bulletproof vest that you have to wear.
SARA DORSEY, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Robert Henderson is heading to Iraq. Not necessarily because he wants to go, but because he feels the battlefield has more to offer than the opportunities at home.
(on camera): Why did you sign up?
HENDERSON: Well, employment, like I said, for the first job.
DORSEY (voice-over): A steady full-time job is all he's hoping for. After being laid off from work, Henderson's life was a battle to survive. For about a year he was homeless, living anywhere he could.
HENDERSON: And you lay your mat and your sleeping bag down, put up your tent, and, you know, you're sleeping and hope for a better tomorrow.
DORSEY: A better tomorrow usually only meant getting a roof over his head.
HENDERSON: And so we would come here, people would just find a spot out here where they could sleep.
DORSEY (on camera): Oh, so you were -- you were on the floor.
HENDERSON: On the floor. On the floor, yes. Yes.
DORSEY (voice-over): But sleeping on the floor was not where Henderson planned on staying. Then came a break, two part-time jobs.
He was hired into the superb (ph) project, an Atlanta program designed to help the homeless get back on their feet. For $35 a day he picked up trash. Together, with his fiance, Marie, Henderson was finally able to get an apartment.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It's been very hard. And I have never been in this situation before until recently, and I did not believe how hard it was to get back up.
DORSEY: But when his second job, a seasonal one a the ballpark, came to an end, Henderson felt his only option for steady work was the National Guard.
HENDERSON: Going to work. They are employing me.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Here we are on the sendoff of Robert Henderson.
DORSEY: A success story honored by a city for completing one program, but faced again with a hard decision: homelessness or the horror of war. Henderson chose to serve.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Good speed, and be safe. And you will be in our thoughts and prayers.
DORSEY: Sara Dorsey, CNN Atlanta.
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NGUYEN: All right. Something is watching you, and it lives in your computer. Oh, yes, that's right. All you need to know about spyware, Tony, that is coming up.
HARRIS: Plus, rallying for a recount as some say their votes for John Kerry were not counted. The Reverend Jesse Jackson joins us live.
NGUYEN: And good morning, Las Vegas. We will have your complete weather forecast in about 10 minutes. You can bet on that.
Stay with us.
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HARRIS: Checking our top stories now, 21 Iraqis are dead after three separate attacks this morning near Tikrit. Insurgents killed 17 civilians who worked for a private contractor. And an attack near Beiji left three National Guardsmen dead. And in Samarra, an Iraqi soldier was killed when insurgents attacked his convoy.
In Falluja, a temporary halt in aid. The Iraqi Red Crescent is suspending relief work for two days to allow coalition troops to do security sweeps.
President Bush throws new weight behind the recommendations of the 9/11 Commission. He says the panel's findings chart a clear, sensible path to reform, and he's urging Congress to quickly pass the stalled measures. After spending eight years in an Egyptian jail, an Israeli businessman returns home. But it wasn't an ordinary prison release. We'll get a live report from Jerusalem in just about 15 minutes.
NGUYEN: Now to the growing steroid scandal surrounding Major League Baseball. The Players Union will talk about their tougher penalties and more frequent testing at a meeting tomorrow. Meantime, Senator John McCain is threatening a political crackdown if the league does not police itself. He says the scandal goes far beyond the individual athletes.
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SEN. JOHN MCCAIN (R), ARIZONA: It's very clear that there was a number of people involved in this. And finally, I don't care much about Mr. Bonds or Mr. Sheffield or anybody else. What I care about are high school athletes who are tempted to use steroids because they think that's the only way they can make it in the major leagues.
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NGUYEN: The head of a company accused of distributing steroids tells ABC it's easy for many athletes to skirt the current rules -- Tony.
HARRIS: Tired of pesky pop-ups? Is your PC running super slow? Spyware could be to blame. We have what you need to know about this pesky problem. That's coming up.
NGUYEN: Plus, when this tiny football team was told they would be in the playoffs, well, they refused to play. What changed their tune when CNN SUNDAY MORNING returns.
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NGUYEN: Well, good morning, Las Vegas. Look at that blue sky this morning, where cowboys and cowgirls from around the world are gathering today for the Wrangler National Finals Rodeo. About 120 cowboys will do their thing in seven events, including bareback riding, bull riding, and Tony's favorite, barrel racing.
HARRIS: Yes.
NGUYEN: Up for grabs, a $5 million prize, and the epitome of cowboy style. We're talking gold belt buckles, of course.
HARRIS: Nice. Nice.
We begin our look at news "Across America" with one man who came between a father and son. Democratic state Representative Charles Millicon won the congressional seat in Louisiana's third district in a runoff yesterday. He defeated Republican Billy Tauzin III. Tauzin ran to secede his father, Representative Billy Tauzin Sr, who once held the seat.
In the 7th district, Republican Charles Boustani Jr. beat Democrat state senator Willie Landry Mount. I don't know if I put enough Cajun on that.
In New Hampshire, Senator John Kerry says thank you to his supporters. Kerry visited the state yesterday to acknowledge their hard work during the campaign. The Granite State placed its four electoral votes in Kerry's column. That was a reverse course from four years ago when New Hampshire went to President Bush.
In California, putting the Ho-Ho Hoya in Christmas. Oscar de la Hoya hosted an annual Christmas toy giveaway in Los Angeles yesterday. The world champion boxer handed out toys to about 3,500 children and their families.
Also in California, pitting prayers and praise against Xs, and Os. The Generals finally have their say, the Fontana Generals. A youth football team successfully lobbied to move their championship game from today to Tuesday.
The nine and 10-year-olds boycotted today's planned playoff game, saying they wouldn't miss church to play football. When told of the news, one proud parent said, "We give credit to Jesus."
NGUYEN: Hopefully they will play well on it Tuesday.
But today, Orelon Sidney joins us.
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NGUYEN: Thank you, Orleon.
Well, if you use the Internet, but have never heard about spyware, you need to get up to speed. Odds are pretty good that, on your computer at home, you are being secretly tracked or recorded. Now, that includes sensitive information like passwords.
CNN technology correspondent Daniel Sieberg has more.
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DANIEL SIEBERG, CNN TECHNOLOGY CORRESPONDENT: You may not know much about spyware, but let's start with something you probably know way too much about, those pesky pop-up ads.
(voice-over): The pop-up ad for the X10 camera -- remember that? It was among the very first pop up ads to really sweep the Web. For a while there in 2001, it popped up again and again and again.
(on camera): Back then, such ads were pretty new. But to help illustrate how things have changed, imagine that this tennis racket is like the cursor or the mouse on your screen and you're trying to close down those pop up ads. Well, initially, there was sort of a slow, steady stream -- annoying, but still manageable. Then, along came something called spyware, little software programs that would install themselves on your computer. And pretty soon that slow, steady stream turned into a raging flood, a torrent, if you will, of pop up ads popping up faster than you can close them down. A little help? (voice-over): And that's no coincidence. Most spyware is adware, as in advertisements, pus designed to force you to click on them. But other versions of spyware actually track you around the Web, reporting your movements back to third parties. Some spyware even records everything you type, including sensitive information.
How does this stuff get on your computer in the first place?
Well, you get it just by surfing the Web. When you visit certain sites, spyware programs insert themselves on your machine.
(on camera): So how do you know if you've got it? Well, the truth is there's no easy way to know. Look around on your desktop and you're not going to find an icon for spyware. That's because the people who make spyware don't want you to know that it's there.
(voice-over): One big tip-off that your machine has been infected is it'll start to run slower, freeze up or even crash frequently. A recent study found that nine out of 10 computers connected to the Internet have been compromised with spyware lots of times. Dozens of different spyware programs are running all at the same time.
We sat down with Mark Rasch, a lawyer and computer security expert with the company Solutionary, to find out more.
(on camera): Now, spyware, beyond just providing all of these pop up ads, you're saying that it collects information, it collects what I am typing? What do they then do with that information?
MARK RASCH, SOLUTIONARY, INC.: What we've created with the Internet is this whole market economy in personal information. It's very important for me to know what are you looking at, what are you buying, what are you not buying, what time of day are you surfing, who are you. So there's a whole marketplace for information. And so what that spyware is trying to do is collect that information and the people who are purveying it trying to sell it.
SIEBERG (on camera): Actually, we've been tracked online since the early days of the Web through something called a cookie. Most company Web sites use them. Here's how they work. When you visit Company X's Web site, a small file gets placed on your computer called a cookie, which tracks your movement on that particular Web site and remembers things like the links you clicked on and how long you were there.
Now, once you leave that Web site, the cookie stays on your computer. But it doesn't report back on where else you go on the Web.
Not so with spyware. It can follow you anywhere.
RASCH: So here we have a computer that's acting very sluggish and we don't know why.
SIEBERG (voice-over): We turned off the spyware filter on a computer in our office then we ran some spyware scanning software to see what it picked up.
RASCH: So we'll run one of the programs here and see how many copies of spyware we've got on this machine.
SIEBERG: How many would you guess are on there?
RASCH: I would guess if it's been running for about a day and a half, I would guess probably around a thousand.
SIEBERG: A thousand different programs or files that are all trying to generate ads and get your information?
RASCH: That's right. So, so far, in the last six or seven seconds, it's got 211 different objects recognized and 44 running processes.
SIEBERG: It's just overwhelming at this point.
RASCH: And so what people end up doing is they end up buying new computers that they don't need, simply because their old computers are just filled with this gunk.
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NGUYEN: Gunk is right. This year, two bills prohibiting spyware passed through the House but stalled in the Senate. They would levy fines or even jail time against someone who hijacks a person's Internet use or steals information. But there will be almost certainly enforcement issues, and it likely will not solve the whole problem.
So, for now, it's up to you. Download an anti-spyware program Ad-Aware, Spy Sweeper or Spyware Doctor, and scan your computer. It won't take long, and you will be amazed and probably unnerved by what you find.
Tony, I've had this problem. You say you have, too. They just keep popping up.
HARRIS: Yes. Yes. And sometimes that's what you do. You get a whole new computer, and whatever that costs, instead of trying to deal with the problem because it's just such a nuisance.
NGUYEN: A mess.
Calling for a recount in Ohio, supporters yesterday spoke out, saying John Kerry was robbed of his electoral votes. The Reverend Jesse Jackson joins us next when CNN SUNDAY MORNING returns.
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NGUYEN: An Israeli businessman is back home after spending eight years in an Egyptian prison for spying. So what was the give-and-take surrounding his release?
Welcome back. I'm Betty Nguyen. HARRIS: And I'm Tony Harris. A live report from Jerusalem is coming up. First, here's what's happening "Now in the News."
The Iraqi Red Crescent will suspend its relief operations in Falluja for two days. The break will allow U.S. troop to conduct security searches in the area where the aid group has its headquarters. The Red Crescent is the only aid agency in the city. It's been distributing food, water and medicine.
Twenty-one Iraqis have been killed so far today, including 17 civilians shot down on their way to work near Tikrit. In two other attacks north of Baghdad, three Iraqi National Guardsmen and one Iraqi soldier were killed.
Meantime, two U.S. soldiers were killed yesterday in an attack in Mosul. According to numbers from the Pentagon, that brings the number of hostile deaths of U.S. soldiers in Iraq to 1,000.
Twenty-three miners are dead after an explosion ripped through a coal mine in Kazakhstan. Eighty-seven people were working in the mine when the blast happened early this morning. Two of the injured miners were hospitalized, and the third was released after treatment.
NGUYEN: A prisoner exchange this morning between Israel and Egypt. Could it lead to warmer relations between the two Mideast neighbors? Some people on both sides of the border are hoping so.
CNN's John Vause joins us now live from Jerusalem with the detail.
Hi, John.
JOHN VAUSE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Hello, Betty.
It really seemed to come from nowhere. Suddenly today, the Israeli and the Egyptian governments both announced there would be this prisoner swap.
The Egyptians releasing Azzam Azzam, an Israeli-Arab businessman who spent the last eight years in an Egyptian jail. He was accused of spying on Egypt for the Israeli Secret Service. It's a charge both Azzam and the Israeli government have always denied.
A few hours ago he crossed from Egypt into Israel. He spoke by phone with his family. They have been celebrating. He is on a plane home to his village in the northern part of Israel.
He also spoke by phone with the prime minister, Ariel Sharon, thanking the prime minister for personally negotiating his release. The prime minister welcomed Azzam home.
Now, in return, the Israeli government has agreed to free six Egyptian students who were arrested in August. They were charged with illegally entering Israel, armed with an air gun, as well as 14 knives. Now, prosecutors say these Egyptian students were part of a plot to kidnap and kill Israeli soldiers and also to be part of an elaborate bank robbery which involved commandeering an Israeli tank. Now, those students have been released and they, too, are now heading home -- Betty.
NGUYEN: CNN's John Vause in Jerusalem. Thank you, John -- Tony.
HARRIS: The Navy is investigating a new batch of photos that seem to show mistreatment of Iraqi prisoners. CNN's Kimberly Osias has that report.
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KIMBERLY OSIAS, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Caught on film. These photos posted on the Internet by the wife of a U.S. serviceman. She says he brought them home after a tour in Iraq, according to The Associated Press.
One detainee appearing to be grabbed at the neck. Another appearing with a bloody face. Navy officials say at the minimum poor judgment was exhibited by the elite servicemen.
A preliminary investigation is currently under way to see if there was any criminal wrongdoing. The date stamp on the photo indicates May 2003, months before the far more brutal photos taken from Iraq's Abu Ghraib prison. Former military officials say there's a vast gulf between the two cases. According to experts, these may have been taken at a point of capture, where different standards apply.
KEN ROBINSON, CNN MILITARY ANALYST: At a point when you are trying to capture an enemy, you need to be aggressive. You need to be rough, because you neat to disarm them and you need to make sure they are no longer a threat to you or your unit.
OSIAS: CNN's military analyst Ken Robinson urges caution.
ROBINSON: These issues are complex. We need to hopefully let the chain of command identify specifically what the context was, and then let's look to scrutinize to judge it.
OSIAS: What exactly this means difficult to say since the conditions surrounding the pictures are still under investigation. Navy special warfare command spokesperson Jeff Bender says, "There are strict Navy regulations prohibiting photographs of detainees for other than official purposes. Additionally, prior to deployment naval special warfare personnel are instructed that taking unofficial photographs of POWs and detainees is prohibited."
(on camera): Experts say there are circumstances where photographing detainees is important, like for identification and documentation. Sources say if the preliminary investigation suggests criminal wrongdoing, the Navy Criminal Investigative Services will be called in. As of yet, that hasn't happened.
Kimberly Osias, CNN, Washington.
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HARRIS: Well, the presidential election may be over, but the fallout continues, at least in Ohio. Yesterday, about 400 people rallied at the state house in Columbus to protest alleged voting fraud in the Buckeye State. They say John Kerry wrongly lost key votes to President Bush. One group contesting the election results in the state supreme court.
Ohio became the battleground state this year. Our next guest is one of the most prominent voices to question the Ohio vote. The Reverend Jesse Jackson says there are too many questions still unanswered one month after the election. Reverend Jackson joins us this morning from Chicago.
Reverend Jackson, good to see you.
REVEREND JESSE JACKSON, RAINBOW PUSH COALITION: Good morning. What is astounding is that this December the 5th, a month and three days later, and the election has not been certified. So really, in reality, it is not over. The press has left, and Kerry has left, but the election is not certified yet.
HARRIS: So Reverend Jackson, what is the main, the number one issue you want an answer to? What's your -- what's your top question?
JACKSON: A host of irregularities. The top question is that the election has not been certified.
Why has it not been certified? Because you have 88 counties. In those counties, you have different machines and different mechanisms of determining who is counted and who is discounted.
There are questions about the military ballots and the question about the absentee ballots. And so there's not yet an account. Because there are some gross inconsistencies, there will be an appeal in court tomorrow for relief. And that relief consists of a recount to address these irregularities.
HARRIS: Well, I was going to ask you, if it's over tomorrow, you know Ken Blackwell is going to certify the results in Ohio tomorrow. But I guess you are saying it's not over then?
JACKSON: No, he's certifying it a month and four days later. Can you imagine in other states a month and four days later certifying the elections, or in the Ukraine certifying the election a month and four days later? It is very suggestive.
We should never again have a case where the secretary of state is a partisan supporter of one candidate and expected to be a fair judge of the whole process. You can't be an owner of the team and be the umpire the seventh game of the World Series.
HARRIS: Well, Reverend Jackson, David Cobb, as you know, the Green Party, and Michael Badnarik of the Libertarian Party are going to challenge the results. Once they are certified, are you joining them, or are you plotting something a little different?
JACKSON: No, absolutely joining them, because they are the ones at this point who are standing in the court. You have things -- for example, Ellen Connally, an African-American running for supreme court justice in Cuyahoga County, in Cleveland, where she is best known, Kerry got 120,000 more votes than she got.
Then around Cincinnati, Butler County, Clermont County, where she is least well known, in 15 counties she got 190,000 more than -- that he got. Well, is that a glitch?
They want the machines to come under forensic computer analysis. We can accept the winner winning and the loser losing. But right now there is so much doubt cast.
HARRIS: Right.
JACKSON: In the -- in the spring of the year, you could vote in the county provisionally. But by November you could only vote in precincts. Some places you had three precincts in one room. So if you went to line A, and you were not in that line, you had to go back out to line C.
There were others (ph) confused. That's why you have a month and five days later no certification. And Americans deserve better.
HARRIS: OK. Are you disappointed? I'm not going to lay it on the Kerry campaign. Let's go right to John Kerry.
Are you disappointed John Kerry conceded the election? Do you think he did it too soon?
JACKSON: He conceded too quickly and not on good information. But with a $15 million surplus, he had some obligation, legal, moral and political, to pull up some of that money to demand an even -- an even, fair count for all of the citizens of that state. And his voice and his resources should be used to assure all of America that this election is fair and square.
HARRIS: But Reverend Jackson, he says there's no way to change the results.
JACKSON: Well, in my judgment, he promised to cover the people's back and not let -- and then let every vote count. And so far every voice has not been counted. And so that is the promise he made, the legal, political, moral obligation.
I hope that his coming into one of the suits last week in Ohio is just a step in the right direction. But there will be a court suit filed tomorrow morning, and, of course, the supreme court justice who hear it should be recused, because he, in fact, is a partisan Republican who ran for state election.
Again, we want -- we want what? We want an investigation, we want electronic forensic experts to look at those machines. We want a recount, and we want those who ran it to be recused. And that's a reasonable expectation.
HARRIS: But you do -- but you do accept that President Bush won Ohio and the election?
JACKSON: I don't accept it, and you don't either, because you don't know. How can you -- you keep arriving at the -- investigation -- you can't start an investigation without a conclusion.
We need to know whether the integrity of the machines is an issue, of counting the votes is an issue. Discounting the votes is an issue. And until these issues are resolved, as Americans, we have the right to protest for the right -- the right to appeal for relief.
And we seek that relief. We seek the full knowledge that this election was -- was -- is over and on a fair basis. Right now none of us know that, neither you nor I.
HARRIS: Reverend Jackson, good to see you.
JACKSON: Thank you.
HARRIS: Always good to talk to you.
And right now I think we have a statement from Ken Blackwell. No, this is the press secretary for the Ohio secretary of state, who says, "Ohio's process really isn't the problem here. It's a bipartisan election system. Democrats and Republicans are working together to make sure that they get it right. I think the problem is that Reverend Jackson's candidate didn't win."
And that's from Ken Blackwell's office. Ken Blackwell is the secretary of state in Ohio.
NGUYEN: Time now to take a look at some of the stories that will be making headlines this week.
Steroids will be the hot topic at tomorrow's meeting of the executive board of the baseball Players Union. Baseball's drug testing policies are being scrutinized after reports about steroid use by some of the league's top players.
Congress is back in session tomorrow after its holiday break. The September 11th Commission and the White House are urging lawmakers to pass the intelligence reform bill that has stalled since last month.
Hamid Karzai will be sworn in Tuesday as Afghanistan's newly- elected president. Vice President Dick Cheney will attend that inauguration. He is the most senior U.S. official to visit since the Taliban were overthrown in 2001.
Well, are you interested in buying and selling online? And do you think you know the best place to do it? Well, there are just some other Web sites out there that you may not be familiar with. And that happens to be this week's "Best of the Web" when we return.
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HARRIS: And welcome back to CNN SUNDAY MORNING, everyone. I'm Tony Harris.
Checking our top stories now, an Israeli businessman jailed in Egypt was released today as part of an agreement between the two countries. In exchange, six Egyptian students held in Israel were also released.
In Iraq, at least 21 Iraqis have been killed so far today in three separate insurgent attacks. In one incident, 17 civilians were gunned down near Tikrit on their way to work.
And baseball Players Union executives meet tomorrow amid a threat from Senator John McCain to fix the steroid scandal or face legislative action.
Doing it eBay. The Web site auctions just about anything, everything. But a ghost? Coming right up, we'll tell you how a woman is trying to sell the spirit haunting her home.
NGUYEN: Back to that ghost in just a minute, but first another auction. The city of Chicago is for sale. Well, not the city itself, but for a price, you can paint the Chicago River green, flip the switch on Buckingham Fountain, or own an original "Playboy" bunny costume, size zero.
It's all on eBay, and it is to raise money for Chicago's arts fund. While eBay is a mainstay on the Internet, there are many other auction sites out there. And here to talk about them is Adam Rogers of "Wired" Magazine. He's in San Francisco.
Good morning to you, Adam.
ADAM ROGERS, SENIOR ASSOCIATE EDITOR, "WIRED": Good morning.
NGUYEN: Well, we do all know about eBay and what's for sale there, some really interesting items, including that ghost story, which we'll get to in just a moment. But there are other auction sites out there, like ubid.com. What is this one all about?
ROGERS: That's right. So UBid does something a little bit different than eBay.
Where on eBay it's sort of, you know, people like you and me selling their stuff, what UBid does it tries to provide a place where corporations, you know, companies, can move their stock that they've made too much of, that they've had in had storage, that they've refit. So it's kind of a place for businesses to have a different channel to get to consumers who are looking for cheap stuff, you know, filling the nagging, empty spaces on bookshelves and that kind of thing.
NGUYEN: All right. So if manufacturers use this site, does it mean most of items are new, unlike some of the items you buy on eBay, where many of them are used? ROGERS: Yes, that's right. So, you know, as with any of these kind of shopping sites and auction sites, you have to make sure that you know what you're getting. And it's always good to have a digital picture, let's say, and be able to look at the stuff that you are buying. But because these things are coming direct from manufacturers, some of them are going to be new, you know, (UNINTELLIGIBLE), as we say in the action figure geek world.
NGUYEN: So is this site as easy as eBay in the sense that you can use your credit cards and feel safe about it?
ROGERS: Yes, it's sort of the same level of ease of use and comfort that eBay is going to have. I mean, again, you always want to have a sense of caution about where you are giving out your credit card number. But that's going to be true on eBay or, again, any other shopping site.
And UBid is just as safe as any of the others, of course. And because you are interacting with a site that is kind of vetting the companies that are selling their stuff, that gives you sort of an added level of trustworthiness.
NGUYEN: OK. Well, another auction site is Christie's. And when I think of Christie's, I think of these really expensive items that only the rich can afford. But you say that's not true.
ROGERS: Yes, it's true. I mean, you know, Christie's is this giant international auction house. And like a bunch of these other auction houses, they'll sell zillion-dollar Rembrandts and that sort of thing. But what they're also doing is they'll sell cheaper things.
The price point that they're at will vary from auction to auction. So it's not all these multimillion-dollar art sales or antiques.
I'm actually sort of looking forward to watching. In a couple of weeks they are selling rock 'n' roll memorabilia. They've got one of the Beatles' guitars, that kind of stuff. And that will probably go for more than I would necessarily want to be...
NGUYEN: I was going to say, that would kind of -- that would go for a pretty penny there, though.
ROGERS: That's right. That would probably set me back on the action figures thing again.
NGUYEN: Better save your money now. All right. What about propertyroom.com? This is a very interesting idea.
ROGERS: I love this Web site. This is really cool.
So you know how when -- when the cops confiscate stuff, like when they bust up a burglary ring, let's say, and they find a garage full of stolen stereos? All that stuff goes into a storage room someplace, and then eventually the police are supposed to auction that off. But it costs money to keep it in storage, it costs money to run the auctions.
So what PropertyRoom.com does is they essentially take all that stuff off police officers' and police department's hands -- I guess not the officers, because they're not supposed to keep that kind of thing.
NGUYEN: Right.
ROGERS: So they go -- they go into those property rooms, essentially, police departments across the country, and they auction it off. So instead of having it go down to one police plaza, you can do it on line. And they've got everything from, you know, the stereos that used to be in somebody else's car to like property in Arizona that you can buy.
NGUYEN: So you may even be able to find your own property if you've lost it or it was stolen?
ROGERS: Yes, that's true, too. They have a feature on the site that if the police department in your city is part of the consortium who contributes stuff, you know, tries to sell it on the site, then you can actually register. And if you you've had something stolen, they'll -- and it turns up on the site, you get it back.
NGUYEN: Yes, you get your stuff back. I like some of that. All right. Adam Rogers, senior associate editor of "Wired" Magazine. Thanks, Adam.
ROGERS: My pleasure.
NGUYEN: Tony.
HARRIS: Yes, but I can beat all of that. If you are looking for the most unusual Christmas gift of this holiday, bet no one on your list has a ghost.
Bidding on eBay for the spirit of the late Colin Anderson of Hobart, Indiana, is already at more than $180. Mary Anderson says she's auctioning her father's ghost because her six-year-old son is afraid of it.
Grandpa died in the house last year. Now, Mary insists the auction is no joke. And to sweeten the deal, she will throw in her late father's walking cane.
Just thought I would pass that along.
The forecast for the rest of your weekend when CNN SUNDAY MORNING returns.
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HARRIS: And Orelon, those pictures out of New Orleans, a little soupy. They look a little socked in there.
ORELON SIDNEY, CNN METEOROLOGIST: Just a little bit. I guess -- I guess it's not pea soup. I guess it would be gumbo.
HARRIS: Gumbo, there you go.
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NGUYEN: Well, way to kick of the week. All right. Thanks, Orelon.
SIDNEY: You're welcome.
NGUYEN: Now we want to go to Kelly Wallace in Washington for a preview of "INSIDE POLITICS."
KELLY WALLACE, CNN ANCHOR: Hello to you, Betty.
Coming up next on "INSIDE POLITICS SUNDAY," President Bush has made his case to Congress, pass that intelligence reform bill. But a few opponents are standing firm. We'll debate with two top members of Congress.
Plus, the cabinet shuffle. We will examine the president's pick to run the Homeland Security Department, Bernard Kerik. Is he the right man for the job?
And the most politically incorrect phrases of the year. You may be surprised at what words made the top 10.
That's all ahead at the top of the hour.
Back to you, Betty and Tony.
HARRIS: I nominate "blog."
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NGUYEN: That's going to be on there. Thanks, Kelly.
WALLACE: I bet it will.
HARRIS: That's all for us. "INSIDE POLITICS SUNDAY" with Kelly Wallace is next after a check of the headlines.
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