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House to Vote on Intel Reform; Steroids Top MLB Players Union Agenda
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CAROL COSTELLO, CNN ANCHOR: Good morning to you. Welcome to the second half hour of DAYBREAK. From the Time Warner Center in New York, I'm Carol Costello. Let's get right to the headlines now.
Oh, what an historic day in Afghanistan. Just hours ago, Hamid Karzai was sworn in at that country's first elected president. Karzai served as Afghanistan's interim leader following the U.S. led war that ousted the Taliban regime, after the September 11 attacks.
The Saudi wing of al Qaeda claims responsibility for the attack on the American consulate in Jeddah. Saudi officials say eight people were killed in yesterday's assault. Five consulate employees and three attackers.
The fire is finally out, but streets still closed this morning around a downtown skyscraper in Chicago. Yesterday's blaze sent at least 25 people, including 12 firefighters to the hospital. No cause, yet. That is on the 29 floor, by the way.
Arson is blamed for these fires in Maryland. Federal investigators are due on the scene today in Charles County, Maryland. Some 40 unoccupied homes in an upscale subdivision were damaged or destroyed. Authorities say eco terrorism maybe the motive.
To the Forecast Center now and Rob Marciano.
Good morning.
(WEATHER REPORT)
COSTELLO: All right. Thank you, Rob.
The 9/11 reform bill, designed to help make America safer is cleared for action. The House is expected to vote on the intelligence reform bill today. The Senate will vote tomorrow. It comes after congressional negotiators hammered out a compromise. Here's CNN's Ed Henry.
(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
ED HENRY, CNN CONGRESSIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice over): More than three years after the 9/11 terror attacks, Congress has forged a deal to reshape the nation's intelligence community, the most radical shake-up in over 40 years.
The deal got a major shot in the arm when a key Republican hold out, Duncan Hunter, signed on to new language.
REP. DUCAN HUNTER, (R) ARMED SERVICES CHAIRMAN: We have received a satisfactory provision that protects them, and so I will vote for the bill.
HENRY: Hunter had been concerned that a director of national intelligence would interfere with the military's chain of command. But a tweaking of four words in the bill appeased Hunter. The director of national intelligence will now serve as quarterback of the nation's 15 spy agencies. The 9/11 Commission said that was a key change to help prevent another terror attack.
The deal capped a frenetic day of lobbying that included a flurry of calls to the Hill from Vice President Cheney and urgent calls from some 9/11 families who held a vigil outside the White House.
ABRAHAM SCOTT, WIFE KILLED ON 9/11: I just want to say that President Bush, you need to step up to the plate, and convince these congressmen to do the right thing.
HENRY: President Bush heard the call and with some of his own political capital on the line, he prodded Congress to act.
GEORGE W. BUSH, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: I certainly hope the bill gets to my desk soon. I believe we had addressed the concerns of by far the majority of the members of both the House and the Senate.
HENRY (on camera): Left out in the cold was Republican Congressman James Sensenbrenner. He wanted to attach tough immigration provisions, but settled for a separate vote next year -- Ed Henry, CNN, Capitol Hill.
(END VIDEOTAPE)
COSTELLO: A New York jury has ruled that the September 11 attack on the World Trade Center was two separate events. The decision means the lease holder, Larry Silverstein, can collect an extra $1 billion from his insurance policies. He says the extra money will make it easier to rebuild the complex, including the Freedom Tower.
There is a lot more ahead on DAYBREAK. Jason Giambi's agent speaks out. Does he mention steroids? You'll have to stay tuned.
Plus, prohibition in 2004? A law that is still on the books makes illegal to ship wind over state lines.
And we want to hear from you, of course, we want to have some fun this morning, too. What is the cheesiest movie line of all time? Or what's your favorite cheesy movie line? We want to laugh this morning. E-mail us at Daybreak@cnn.com, that's Daybreak@cnn.com.
But first here is a look at what else is making news this Tuesday morning.
(GRAPHIC WITH HEADLINES) (COMMERCIAL BREAK)
COSTELLO: Oh, you've probably heard by now, the New York Yankees are looking for ways to get rid of Jason Giambi in the wake that steroid admission to the grand jury, at least.
A newspaper reported last week that Giambi admitted to a grand jury that he did indeed use steroids. Giambi has four years and $82 million left on his Yankees contract. His agent, Arn Tellern, has issued this statement.
Allow me to read it for you: "Jason loves the game of baseball, the Yankees and the extraordinary New York Yankees fans. Jason has always appreciated the steadfast support of the fans who have been there through good times and bad. He is determined, focused, and working hard to return to form in 2005 and help the Yankees get back to the World Series."
So it seems Jason Giambi wants to stay. Mmm, in the meantime, pressure is on the powerful players union to make some progress in addressing the steroids issue. CNN Sports' Matt Morrison reports.
(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
MATT MORRISON, CNN SPORTS CORRESPONDENT (voice over): Amid a major credibility crisis, the subject of steroid use is issue No. 1 at the baseball players union executive board meetings in Arizona.
SEN. JOHN MCCAIN, (R) ARIZONA: I hope that they will come out of that meeting with an agreement to act with the baseball owners. The owners have to sit down and negotiate as well, because the owners did not negotiate a strong agreement last time. So they bear responsibility for this as well.
MORRISON: Senator McCain said if the owners and players union don't make strides to change the steroid policy, he'll introduce legislation in January to instigate government involvement.
Baseball Commissioner Bud Selig responded with a statement, saying he "would prefer to resolve the problem directly with the Players Association and joint implement a much stronger drug testing policy." Going on to say, "If we cannot resolve this issue privately, I gladly will accept whatever help is offered by Senator McCain to achieve our ultimate goal."
McCAIN: The fact is that it is a growing belief on the part of high school athletes that the only way they can make it in the big leagues is to take -- ingest these performance-enhancing drugs into their bodies, which is incredibly damaging. That is really the problem here.
MORRISON: The baseball players union, under the direction of Don Fehr, is considered the strongest union in sports, with a collective bargaining agreement that runs through 2006. If the executive board doesn't agree to adjust its steroid policy the future of baseball carries a question mark. (END VIDEOTAPE)
COSTELLO: That was CNN's Matt Morrison.
One union official says not to expect any agreements from this week's meetings, but they could be laying the groundwork for future discussions with management. Of course, we will keep you posted.
Your news, money, weather and sports, it is 5:43 Eastern. Here's what is all new this morning.
U.S. Army deserter Charles Jenkins is finally a free man. He walked off and American military base near Tokyo this morning to begin his new life. We'll have live coverage of his first news conference. That is coming up in the next hour of DAYBREAK.
NASA says the next space shuttle should lift off sometime in May. It has been nearly two years since the Columbia disaster grounded the shuttle program. Hurricane damage in Florida also forced NASA to postpone a test flight last March.
In money news, the HUMMER 2 is under investigation after some people complained that the wheels tend to fall off. Not a good thing when you're driving. Federal regulators are looking at more than 59,000 of the vehicles produced in 2003 and 2004.
In culture, the parody textbook written by the folks at Comedy Central's "Daily Show" is the book of the year. "America, The Book" was deemed best book by "Publisher's Weekly" magazine. It is currently also No. 1 on "The New York Times" best-seller list.
Oooh, that John Stewart.
In sports, fired University of Florida head football coach Ron Zook has already landed his next job. The University of Illinois is expected to name Zook as their new head coach later today. Illinois fired their coach two weeks ago.
Rob?
(WEATHER REPORT)
COSTELLO: You know, Rob, I'm just reading some of our viewer e- mails about the cheesy movie lines?
ROB MARCIANO, CNN METEOROLOGIST: Yes?
COSTELLO: The one by Clint Eastwood, "Come on, punk, make my day."
MARCIANO: That's cheesy? That is classic.
COSTELLO: That is classic. We'll give you more later.
A security update now. Our ears perked up when outgoing Health and Human Services Secretary Tommy Thompson indicated how vulnerable our food supply is to terrorists. You may recall some of the 9/11 hijackers expressed interest in crop dusting planes. CNN's Frank Buckley takes a look at the crop dusting industry more than three years later.
(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
FRANK BUCKLEY, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice over): Peter Frecissi's air tractor roars to life as the second-generation crop duster takes flight.
Frecissi says a potential terrorist who wanted to do the same would be in for a big surprise. Since 9/11 crop dusters nationwide have installed security features like ignition switches.
PETER FRECISSI, CROP DUSTER: Anything is possible, but they have to get in it first. They have to get it running. And that is going to be nearly impossible.
BUCKLEY (on camera): Crop dusters say 9/11 made their already highly regulated and scrutinized industry even more so.
(Voice over): Experts cite the industry's tight controls among the reason's crop dusters are unlikely platforms to be used for attacking people. But some say they could theoretically be used to contaminate agriculture and livestock. Still, experts like UC Davis Microbiologist Mark Wheeler say, the risks of stealing a crop duster and the expertise required make other less sophisticated methods of bio-terrorism more probable.
MARK WHEELER, MICROBIOLOGIST: Crop dusters are not likely to be used by terrorists for any purpose.
BUCKLEY: And FBI officials say that while they remain concerned about crop dusting planes they don't see them as threats to the food supply. Still, at a convention of crop dusters in Reno, the aerial applicators say they remain on high alert.
ANDREW MOORE, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, NAAA (ph): We live in a different world after 9/11, but the agriculture aviation industry is doing its part.
BUCKLEY: Frank Buckley, CNN, Lodi, California.
(END VIDEOTAPE)
COSTELLO: Later today our CNN "Security Watch" focuses on fighting the flu. We'll look at the flu vaccine shortage, and what's being done about. And we'll talk abut the Avian flu and explore the concern for a flu pandemic.
On this day, we remember the anniversary of the attack on Pearl Harbor.
(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
FRANKLIN D. ROOSEVELT, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: A date that will live in infamy.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
COSTELLO: The surprise attack struck a critical blow against the Pacific Fleet and drew the United States into World War II. Which brings us to today's history question, are you ready? What two world leaders met on this day in 1987?
Mmm, we'll have the answer after the break.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
COSTELLO: All right, our history trivia question for the morning is: What two world leaders met on this day in 1987?
The answer is, Russian leader Mikhail Gorbachev arrives in the United States for a summit with President Ronald Reagan. Happened on this day back in 1987.
Let's talk a little bit more about the Chicago fire. This morning fire investigators will be coming through the rubble of an historic skyscraper in downtown Chicago. At least 34 people were injured in a fire that burned for, oh, jeez, five and a half hours.
Authorities say there are still some hot spots in the 45-story building. Joining us live, from Chicago, is Tom Lia, he is the executive director of the Northern Illinois Fire Sprinkler Advisory Board.
Thank you for joining us, Tom.
TOM LIA, EXEC. DIR., N. ILLINOIS FIRE SPRINKLER ADVISORY BD.: Thank you, Carol.
COSTELLO: And the reason we're talking to you this morning is because this building wasn't outfitted with sprinklers. Did it have to be?
LIA: No, it did not have to be at the time that is was built, however, the state adopted the Life Safety Code 101, the 2000 edition, January 2 of 2002. So retrofitting should have been in progress after that point.
COSTELLO: And as far as you know, was it?
LIA: They had, from the initial reports, we tried to contact contractors in the area, they were beginning to install some of the larger pipes in the lower levels, but no fire sprinklers had been installed in any of the fire areas of the building.
COSTELLO: Tell us what difference fire sprinklers would have made, because there were flames shooting out -- what, the 29th floor of the building?
LIA: I know, it is a shame. Can you imagine the heat that the firefighters were going through trying to gain access to the fire floors? It must have been tremendous, probably 1200 to 1500 degrees.
Well, basically, the fire sprinkler technology has changed in the last decade and it's quick response fire sprinkler technology where a sprinkler head can activate four times faster than the normal sprinkler heads than we are used to seeing. So, a fire can be contained in a small area. You have a small trash can fire, curtain fire, that could be contained by one or two fire sprinkler heads only. And we wouldn't even be reading about this or talking about this fire at the time, Carol.
COSTELLO: You know the frightening thing about this is all the floors, many of the floors were filled with smoke. The smoke was actually coming through the vents in the building.
LIA: That's correct. And there were some problems with the fire stopping in the building. So fire was getting from floor to floor, through that area. And basically I think you could tell that by the smoke inhalation injuries that the firefighters had; at least 12 of them had smoke inhalation injuries, and the remaining, I think you said 34, Carol.
COSTELLO: Yes.
LIA: The remainder were all smoke inhalation injuries.
COSTELLO: And many of those people are in critical condition this morning in the hospital.
The other thing that was of concern that seems strange to me. A bank employee was quoted, his name was Paul Sawyer (ph), he was on the lower floors of the building. He was told to leave 10 minutes after the first alarms went off. He was told to wait, instead of like, you know, getting out of the building. Is that normal?
LIA: Well, Chicago has been more or less a little bit paranoid since the fire at the Cooke County Building at 69 West Washington, about 54 weeks ago, where six people were killed.
So, maybe some normal evacuation techniques were changes. Normally they would try to have you evacuate the fire floor below the fire floor and the fire floor above the fire. So, to have somebody wait on the sixth floor, I think, we'd have to ask the experts from the National Fire Protection Association.
I know if it was myself, I would be leaving.
COSTELLO: Oh, you are not kidding. I would get the heck out of there.
LIA: Right.
COSTELLO: You know the other frightening thing though is the stairwells to the building were also filled with smoke, so people going down the stairs had to get really low so they could breath.
LIA: Absolutely. And one thing that worked out a little bit better this time is that I understood that there was a voice alarm enunciator that did identify and tell people to go other stairways. Unless they were going on the floor that the firefighters were trying to make access to the floor on, that would be contaminated there is no doubt. And I don't know of anything that could stop that.
However, the other ones should have been clear. And hopefully the reports and studies will find that out.
COSTELLO: We'll see in the days to come. Tom Lia, the executive director of the Northern Illinois Fire Sprinkler Advisory Board, joining DAYBREAK this morning.
Thank you, Tom.
DAYBREAK will be right back.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
COSTELLO: Sorry about that, this may not be the Grammys, but we've got the winners of the cheesiest movie lines for you. And I know you've been waiting for these.
They are, let's count them down. No. 5, from the movie "Top Gun", when Val Kilmer says, "You can be my wingman anytime." And he says that to Tom Cruise.
No. 4, from "Ghost", Demi Moore's "Ditto". Three comes from the movie "Four Weddings and a Funeral", "Is it still raining, hadn't noticed."
The No. 2 cheesiest line, is when Patrick Swayze says, "Nobody puts, Baby in the corner" in the movie "Dirty Dancing".
We're going to give you the No. 1 cheesiest line of all time in the next hour of DAYBREAK, so we want you to stay tuned. And we also want to read some of your e-mails because we've been asking you what you think the cheesiest movie line of all time is. And we've got some good ones.
So, let me read these from Sarah, from Houston, Texas, her favorite, "I'm not dead yet," from "Monty Python and the Holy Grail". She also likes "My name is Indigo Montoya, you killed my father, prepare to die." You know what movie that is from? "Princess Bride", oh, I love that movie.
This is from Elizabeth in Toronto, she says, "You can't handle the truth." The famous line from Jack Nicholson.
And this one from Jonathan, from Nacogdoches (ph), Texas, from "The Wizard of Oz", when Dorothy says, "Something tells me we're not in Kansas anymore, Toto." No kidding.
The next hour of DAYBREAK starts right now.
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Aired December 7, 2004 - 05:30 ET
THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.
CAROL COSTELLO, CNN ANCHOR: Good morning to you. Welcome to the second half hour of DAYBREAK. From the Time Warner Center in New York, I'm Carol Costello. Let's get right to the headlines now.
Oh, what an historic day in Afghanistan. Just hours ago, Hamid Karzai was sworn in at that country's first elected president. Karzai served as Afghanistan's interim leader following the U.S. led war that ousted the Taliban regime, after the September 11 attacks.
The Saudi wing of al Qaeda claims responsibility for the attack on the American consulate in Jeddah. Saudi officials say eight people were killed in yesterday's assault. Five consulate employees and three attackers.
The fire is finally out, but streets still closed this morning around a downtown skyscraper in Chicago. Yesterday's blaze sent at least 25 people, including 12 firefighters to the hospital. No cause, yet. That is on the 29 floor, by the way.
Arson is blamed for these fires in Maryland. Federal investigators are due on the scene today in Charles County, Maryland. Some 40 unoccupied homes in an upscale subdivision were damaged or destroyed. Authorities say eco terrorism maybe the motive.
To the Forecast Center now and Rob Marciano.
Good morning.
(WEATHER REPORT)
COSTELLO: All right. Thank you, Rob.
The 9/11 reform bill, designed to help make America safer is cleared for action. The House is expected to vote on the intelligence reform bill today. The Senate will vote tomorrow. It comes after congressional negotiators hammered out a compromise. Here's CNN's Ed Henry.
(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
ED HENRY, CNN CONGRESSIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice over): More than three years after the 9/11 terror attacks, Congress has forged a deal to reshape the nation's intelligence community, the most radical shake-up in over 40 years.
The deal got a major shot in the arm when a key Republican hold out, Duncan Hunter, signed on to new language.
REP. DUCAN HUNTER, (R) ARMED SERVICES CHAIRMAN: We have received a satisfactory provision that protects them, and so I will vote for the bill.
HENRY: Hunter had been concerned that a director of national intelligence would interfere with the military's chain of command. But a tweaking of four words in the bill appeased Hunter. The director of national intelligence will now serve as quarterback of the nation's 15 spy agencies. The 9/11 Commission said that was a key change to help prevent another terror attack.
The deal capped a frenetic day of lobbying that included a flurry of calls to the Hill from Vice President Cheney and urgent calls from some 9/11 families who held a vigil outside the White House.
ABRAHAM SCOTT, WIFE KILLED ON 9/11: I just want to say that President Bush, you need to step up to the plate, and convince these congressmen to do the right thing.
HENRY: President Bush heard the call and with some of his own political capital on the line, he prodded Congress to act.
GEORGE W. BUSH, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: I certainly hope the bill gets to my desk soon. I believe we had addressed the concerns of by far the majority of the members of both the House and the Senate.
HENRY (on camera): Left out in the cold was Republican Congressman James Sensenbrenner. He wanted to attach tough immigration provisions, but settled for a separate vote next year -- Ed Henry, CNN, Capitol Hill.
(END VIDEOTAPE)
COSTELLO: A New York jury has ruled that the September 11 attack on the World Trade Center was two separate events. The decision means the lease holder, Larry Silverstein, can collect an extra $1 billion from his insurance policies. He says the extra money will make it easier to rebuild the complex, including the Freedom Tower.
There is a lot more ahead on DAYBREAK. Jason Giambi's agent speaks out. Does he mention steroids? You'll have to stay tuned.
Plus, prohibition in 2004? A law that is still on the books makes illegal to ship wind over state lines.
And we want to hear from you, of course, we want to have some fun this morning, too. What is the cheesiest movie line of all time? Or what's your favorite cheesy movie line? We want to laugh this morning. E-mail us at Daybreak@cnn.com, that's Daybreak@cnn.com.
But first here is a look at what else is making news this Tuesday morning.
(GRAPHIC WITH HEADLINES) (COMMERCIAL BREAK)
COSTELLO: Oh, you've probably heard by now, the New York Yankees are looking for ways to get rid of Jason Giambi in the wake that steroid admission to the grand jury, at least.
A newspaper reported last week that Giambi admitted to a grand jury that he did indeed use steroids. Giambi has four years and $82 million left on his Yankees contract. His agent, Arn Tellern, has issued this statement.
Allow me to read it for you: "Jason loves the game of baseball, the Yankees and the extraordinary New York Yankees fans. Jason has always appreciated the steadfast support of the fans who have been there through good times and bad. He is determined, focused, and working hard to return to form in 2005 and help the Yankees get back to the World Series."
So it seems Jason Giambi wants to stay. Mmm, in the meantime, pressure is on the powerful players union to make some progress in addressing the steroids issue. CNN Sports' Matt Morrison reports.
(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
MATT MORRISON, CNN SPORTS CORRESPONDENT (voice over): Amid a major credibility crisis, the subject of steroid use is issue No. 1 at the baseball players union executive board meetings in Arizona.
SEN. JOHN MCCAIN, (R) ARIZONA: I hope that they will come out of that meeting with an agreement to act with the baseball owners. The owners have to sit down and negotiate as well, because the owners did not negotiate a strong agreement last time. So they bear responsibility for this as well.
MORRISON: Senator McCain said if the owners and players union don't make strides to change the steroid policy, he'll introduce legislation in January to instigate government involvement.
Baseball Commissioner Bud Selig responded with a statement, saying he "would prefer to resolve the problem directly with the Players Association and joint implement a much stronger drug testing policy." Going on to say, "If we cannot resolve this issue privately, I gladly will accept whatever help is offered by Senator McCain to achieve our ultimate goal."
McCAIN: The fact is that it is a growing belief on the part of high school athletes that the only way they can make it in the big leagues is to take -- ingest these performance-enhancing drugs into their bodies, which is incredibly damaging. That is really the problem here.
MORRISON: The baseball players union, under the direction of Don Fehr, is considered the strongest union in sports, with a collective bargaining agreement that runs through 2006. If the executive board doesn't agree to adjust its steroid policy the future of baseball carries a question mark. (END VIDEOTAPE)
COSTELLO: That was CNN's Matt Morrison.
One union official says not to expect any agreements from this week's meetings, but they could be laying the groundwork for future discussions with management. Of course, we will keep you posted.
Your news, money, weather and sports, it is 5:43 Eastern. Here's what is all new this morning.
U.S. Army deserter Charles Jenkins is finally a free man. He walked off and American military base near Tokyo this morning to begin his new life. We'll have live coverage of his first news conference. That is coming up in the next hour of DAYBREAK.
NASA says the next space shuttle should lift off sometime in May. It has been nearly two years since the Columbia disaster grounded the shuttle program. Hurricane damage in Florida also forced NASA to postpone a test flight last March.
In money news, the HUMMER 2 is under investigation after some people complained that the wheels tend to fall off. Not a good thing when you're driving. Federal regulators are looking at more than 59,000 of the vehicles produced in 2003 and 2004.
In culture, the parody textbook written by the folks at Comedy Central's "Daily Show" is the book of the year. "America, The Book" was deemed best book by "Publisher's Weekly" magazine. It is currently also No. 1 on "The New York Times" best-seller list.
Oooh, that John Stewart.
In sports, fired University of Florida head football coach Ron Zook has already landed his next job. The University of Illinois is expected to name Zook as their new head coach later today. Illinois fired their coach two weeks ago.
Rob?
(WEATHER REPORT)
COSTELLO: You know, Rob, I'm just reading some of our viewer e- mails about the cheesy movie lines?
ROB MARCIANO, CNN METEOROLOGIST: Yes?
COSTELLO: The one by Clint Eastwood, "Come on, punk, make my day."
MARCIANO: That's cheesy? That is classic.
COSTELLO: That is classic. We'll give you more later.
A security update now. Our ears perked up when outgoing Health and Human Services Secretary Tommy Thompson indicated how vulnerable our food supply is to terrorists. You may recall some of the 9/11 hijackers expressed interest in crop dusting planes. CNN's Frank Buckley takes a look at the crop dusting industry more than three years later.
(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
FRANK BUCKLEY, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice over): Peter Frecissi's air tractor roars to life as the second-generation crop duster takes flight.
Frecissi says a potential terrorist who wanted to do the same would be in for a big surprise. Since 9/11 crop dusters nationwide have installed security features like ignition switches.
PETER FRECISSI, CROP DUSTER: Anything is possible, but they have to get in it first. They have to get it running. And that is going to be nearly impossible.
BUCKLEY (on camera): Crop dusters say 9/11 made their already highly regulated and scrutinized industry even more so.
(Voice over): Experts cite the industry's tight controls among the reason's crop dusters are unlikely platforms to be used for attacking people. But some say they could theoretically be used to contaminate agriculture and livestock. Still, experts like UC Davis Microbiologist Mark Wheeler say, the risks of stealing a crop duster and the expertise required make other less sophisticated methods of bio-terrorism more probable.
MARK WHEELER, MICROBIOLOGIST: Crop dusters are not likely to be used by terrorists for any purpose.
BUCKLEY: And FBI officials say that while they remain concerned about crop dusting planes they don't see them as threats to the food supply. Still, at a convention of crop dusters in Reno, the aerial applicators say they remain on high alert.
ANDREW MOORE, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, NAAA (ph): We live in a different world after 9/11, but the agriculture aviation industry is doing its part.
BUCKLEY: Frank Buckley, CNN, Lodi, California.
(END VIDEOTAPE)
COSTELLO: Later today our CNN "Security Watch" focuses on fighting the flu. We'll look at the flu vaccine shortage, and what's being done about. And we'll talk abut the Avian flu and explore the concern for a flu pandemic.
On this day, we remember the anniversary of the attack on Pearl Harbor.
(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
FRANKLIN D. ROOSEVELT, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: A date that will live in infamy.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
COSTELLO: The surprise attack struck a critical blow against the Pacific Fleet and drew the United States into World War II. Which brings us to today's history question, are you ready? What two world leaders met on this day in 1987?
Mmm, we'll have the answer after the break.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
COSTELLO: All right, our history trivia question for the morning is: What two world leaders met on this day in 1987?
The answer is, Russian leader Mikhail Gorbachev arrives in the United States for a summit with President Ronald Reagan. Happened on this day back in 1987.
Let's talk a little bit more about the Chicago fire. This morning fire investigators will be coming through the rubble of an historic skyscraper in downtown Chicago. At least 34 people were injured in a fire that burned for, oh, jeez, five and a half hours.
Authorities say there are still some hot spots in the 45-story building. Joining us live, from Chicago, is Tom Lia, he is the executive director of the Northern Illinois Fire Sprinkler Advisory Board.
Thank you for joining us, Tom.
TOM LIA, EXEC. DIR., N. ILLINOIS FIRE SPRINKLER ADVISORY BD.: Thank you, Carol.
COSTELLO: And the reason we're talking to you this morning is because this building wasn't outfitted with sprinklers. Did it have to be?
LIA: No, it did not have to be at the time that is was built, however, the state adopted the Life Safety Code 101, the 2000 edition, January 2 of 2002. So retrofitting should have been in progress after that point.
COSTELLO: And as far as you know, was it?
LIA: They had, from the initial reports, we tried to contact contractors in the area, they were beginning to install some of the larger pipes in the lower levels, but no fire sprinklers had been installed in any of the fire areas of the building.
COSTELLO: Tell us what difference fire sprinklers would have made, because there were flames shooting out -- what, the 29th floor of the building?
LIA: I know, it is a shame. Can you imagine the heat that the firefighters were going through trying to gain access to the fire floors? It must have been tremendous, probably 1200 to 1500 degrees.
Well, basically, the fire sprinkler technology has changed in the last decade and it's quick response fire sprinkler technology where a sprinkler head can activate four times faster than the normal sprinkler heads than we are used to seeing. So, a fire can be contained in a small area. You have a small trash can fire, curtain fire, that could be contained by one or two fire sprinkler heads only. And we wouldn't even be reading about this or talking about this fire at the time, Carol.
COSTELLO: You know the frightening thing about this is all the floors, many of the floors were filled with smoke. The smoke was actually coming through the vents in the building.
LIA: That's correct. And there were some problems with the fire stopping in the building. So fire was getting from floor to floor, through that area. And basically I think you could tell that by the smoke inhalation injuries that the firefighters had; at least 12 of them had smoke inhalation injuries, and the remaining, I think you said 34, Carol.
COSTELLO: Yes.
LIA: The remainder were all smoke inhalation injuries.
COSTELLO: And many of those people are in critical condition this morning in the hospital.
The other thing that was of concern that seems strange to me. A bank employee was quoted, his name was Paul Sawyer (ph), he was on the lower floors of the building. He was told to leave 10 minutes after the first alarms went off. He was told to wait, instead of like, you know, getting out of the building. Is that normal?
LIA: Well, Chicago has been more or less a little bit paranoid since the fire at the Cooke County Building at 69 West Washington, about 54 weeks ago, where six people were killed.
So, maybe some normal evacuation techniques were changes. Normally they would try to have you evacuate the fire floor below the fire floor and the fire floor above the fire. So, to have somebody wait on the sixth floor, I think, we'd have to ask the experts from the National Fire Protection Association.
I know if it was myself, I would be leaving.
COSTELLO: Oh, you are not kidding. I would get the heck out of there.
LIA: Right.
COSTELLO: You know the other frightening thing though is the stairwells to the building were also filled with smoke, so people going down the stairs had to get really low so they could breath.
LIA: Absolutely. And one thing that worked out a little bit better this time is that I understood that there was a voice alarm enunciator that did identify and tell people to go other stairways. Unless they were going on the floor that the firefighters were trying to make access to the floor on, that would be contaminated there is no doubt. And I don't know of anything that could stop that.
However, the other ones should have been clear. And hopefully the reports and studies will find that out.
COSTELLO: We'll see in the days to come. Tom Lia, the executive director of the Northern Illinois Fire Sprinkler Advisory Board, joining DAYBREAK this morning.
Thank you, Tom.
DAYBREAK will be right back.
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COSTELLO: Sorry about that, this may not be the Grammys, but we've got the winners of the cheesiest movie lines for you. And I know you've been waiting for these.
They are, let's count them down. No. 5, from the movie "Top Gun", when Val Kilmer says, "You can be my wingman anytime." And he says that to Tom Cruise.
No. 4, from "Ghost", Demi Moore's "Ditto". Three comes from the movie "Four Weddings and a Funeral", "Is it still raining, hadn't noticed."
The No. 2 cheesiest line, is when Patrick Swayze says, "Nobody puts, Baby in the corner" in the movie "Dirty Dancing".
We're going to give you the No. 1 cheesiest line of all time in the next hour of DAYBREAK, so we want you to stay tuned. And we also want to read some of your e-mails because we've been asking you what you think the cheesiest movie line of all time is. And we've got some good ones.
So, let me read these from Sarah, from Houston, Texas, her favorite, "I'm not dead yet," from "Monty Python and the Holy Grail". She also likes "My name is Indigo Montoya, you killed my father, prepare to die." You know what movie that is from? "Princess Bride", oh, I love that movie.
This is from Elizabeth in Toronto, she says, "You can't handle the truth." The famous line from Jack Nicholson.
And this one from Jonathan, from Nacogdoches (ph), Texas, from "The Wizard of Oz", when Dorothy says, "Something tells me we're not in Kansas anymore, Toto." No kidding.
The next hour of DAYBREAK starts right now.
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