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Interview with Gloria Allred; A Look at How Japanese People are Preparing for Terrorists
Aired December 14, 2004 - 09:30 ET
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SOLEDAD O'BRIEN, CNN ANCHOR: And it is exactly half past the hour on this AMERICAN MORNING.
In just a few minutes, reaction to Scott Peterson's death sentence from his former mistress Amber Frey. Her attorney, Gloria Allred, is our guest. She's spoken to her client since yesterday's sentencing. We'll ask what they talked about.
Also Bill Hemmer back in Tokyo takes a look at how the Japanese people are preparing for terrorists, learning from the deadly sarin gas attack almost 10 years ago. But first, a check of the headlines with Kelly Wallace.
Good morning again.
KELLY WALLACE, CNN ANCHOR: Thanks so much, Soledad.
Good morning again, everyone.
Now in the news, what could be a significant development in the Bush administration's war on terrorism, reports that two key Taliban leaders have been caught by Afghan forces. The arrests happened near the southern Afghan city of Kandahar. According to wire reports, one of the men held is a former security chief for Taliban leader Mullah Omar. Officials are hoping this latest arrest could potentially lead to Omar's capture.
To India now, where at least 27 people are dead in a horrific train accident. These pictures you'll see showing the torn wreckage of two passenger trains. Authorities say at least three cars derailed when the trains collided some 240 miles north of New Delhi.
Back here in the United States, in the next two hours, a ceremony at the White House. President Bush is expected to bestow the nation's highest civilian honor to three men central to his policy in Iraq. The Medal of Freedom will go to former CIA director George Tenet, former Iraq administrator Paul Bremer, and retired Army General Tommy Franks.
CNN will have live coverage at 11:30 a.m. Eastern.
And news about talk show host Regis Philbin. He will be ringing in the new year at New York's Times Square. Philbin replacing Dick Clark for the New Year's Rockin' Eve Show. The 75-year-old Clark is recovering from what's being described as a mild stroke. Clark has hosted the New Year's Eve special on ABC for more than 30 years. He says he's thankful Regis could step in on such short notice. Of course we hope Dick Clark gets better very soon. And, Soledad, we know Regis will do a very good job on New Year's Eve.
O'BRIEN: Yes, no question about that. But you still miss Dick Clark, huh?
WALLACE: Yes, absolutely. It won't be the same without him.
O'BRIEN: That's the way to put it. All right, Kelly, thanks.
WALLACE: Nearly two years after Laci Peterson was murdered, the jury in the case handed Scott Peterson his fate.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: People of the state of California versus Scott Peterson. We the jury in the above entitled cause fix the penalty at death, dated December 13th, 2004, foreperson No. 6.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
O'BRIEN: It took the jury a little over 11 hours of deliberation to recommend that Peterson get the death penalty. And a key part of the prosecution's case was, of course, testimony of his former girlfriend. Joining us this morning to talk about that Gloria Allred, the attorney for Amber Frey.
Nice to see you. Thanks for coming in.
GLORIA ALLRED, ATTY. FOR AMBER FREY: You, too. Thanks, Soledad.
O'BRIEN: What's been Amber's reaction? I know you've spoken to her. Does she feel vindicated? Does she feel relieved? Does she feel happy? Does she feel that justice was meted out?
ALLRED: It was a very emotional day for Amber yesterday. Obviously her feelings towards Scott Peterson are very complicated. But, Soledad, she's always said that the judge and the jury, after hearing all of the evidence, would be in a position to decide what a just result should be. And yesterday, they decided that the death penalty was the recommendation of the jury.
O'BRIEN: Of the jurors when we saw them come out and again this morning when we were talking to some of them, seem really, I think it's fair to describe it, as shell-shocked, a long process. Would you describe amber the same way?
ALLRED: It has been. I mean, it's been a real roller coaster. And I really admire her, because she's had so much courage through all of this. She's done the right thing. She immediately agreed to assist law enforcement when they asked her to tape record those telephone calls between Scott Peterson and herself. I think they were very important. I think the many members of the jury really thought it was bizarre, that a man whose pregnant wife was missing would be on the telephone with his girlfriend just about less than a week after the wife went missing, and would be talking pillow talk, romantic talk to his girlfriend, from the vigil for his missing wife.
In addition, he kept up that long string of telephone calls with Amber. He acknowledged in those phone calls that he had said to Amber that he had lost his wife. These would be the first holidays without her. Then he talked about wanting a future with her, wanting to be with her forever. Some of the jurors yesterday, Soledad, talked about the fact that they thought that Scott Peterson perhaps had done what he did, committed the doubler murder, because he wanted freedom. I think that the relationship with amber helped to demonstrate that he didn't want a relationship with Laci. He didn't want to be a father. He did want his freedom.
O'BRIEN: You said that Amber took some great risks. And then you talked about a map that was found in Scott Peterson's car when he was arrested.
ALLRED: Yes.
O'BRIEN: And some other things that were found in that vehicle as well. Elaborate on that for me a little.
ALLRED: Yes. I was concerned about a possible risk of harm to herself. What if Scott Peterson had discovered that she was assisting police? In fact, when he was arrested on April 18th, in his car, law enforcement, who by the way did a great job in this case, found, among other things, they found a shovel, they found ropes, they found knives, and they found a Mapquest map to Amber's workplace, dated that very day, April 18th. What was Scott Peterson planning to do? Was he planning to drive there? For what purpose? Was he going to harm her? Did he discover that she was taping phone calls, and then handing the tapes over to the police? I guess we'll never know. But that certainly sent chills up my spine when I heard about it.
O'BRIEN: You've alluded to, in addition to all the tapes that we've heard coming, that the jurors had access to as well, many more tapes that were not played for anybody. What other story does amber have to tell? She's obviously -- doesn't take a genius to figure out a book deal has got to be in the works, maybe a movie deal has got to be in the works.
ALLRED: Well, I certainly hope that she does tell her story. I've certainly encouraged her to do that.
O'BRIEN: What's on those other tapes?
ALLRED: Well, I mean, there's a lot on those tapes. It shows what the relationship was, and the intensity of the relationship, and a lot of that didn't come out during the prosecution's case, because, of course, you know, they couldn't just keep playing tape after tape. I think they made the point with the tapes that they played. But I think it showed how obsessed Scott was with Amber. And what he was planning with her in the future, if they were going to have a future together, and the details of that. And I thought it was very important that he said on those tapes, as well, that if he were with Amber, he didn't want to have a biological child. Did he mean Conner? I guess we'll never know. But he said a lot that revealed the true Scott Peterson.
O'BRIEN: Another question that we'll probably never have answered. Gloria Allred, nice to have you come in and chat with us.
ALLRED: Thank you.
O'BRIEN: We certainly appreciate it.
ALLRED: Thank you, Soledad.
O'BRIEN: It must be nice to have the last six months over with now finally.
Let's go back now to Tokyo and Bill Hemmer -- Bill.
BILL HEMMER, CNN ANCHOR: All right, Soledad, thank you. Terrorism now a global concern, we know that. But before Al Qaeda become synonymous with terror, a Japanese cult shocked the world by using weapons of mass destruction to terrorize Tokyo's subway riders.
In our CNN Security Watch this morning, that horrific event has been called Japan's crime of the century.
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DAVID KAPLAN, AUTHOR, "THE CULT AT THE END OF THE WORLD": Aum was a doomsday sect that was intent on jumpstarting the apocalypse.
HEMMER (voice-over): On march 20th, 1995 this group of homegrown terrorists launched an attack on Tokyo's subway system, the world's busiest, using deadly sarin nerve gas. Twelve people were killed, more than 5,000 injured, and Japan's image as a safe haven from terror was shattered.
KAPLAN: Aum's attacks paralyzed Japanese society. They declared a day of fear which paralyzed much of Tokyo. People didn't go out of their houses. I mean, it really was quite amazing what this one doomsday sect was able to accomplish in a pretty sophisticated society.
HEMMER: David Kaplan, author of the cult at the end of the world, says the Aum Shinrikyo attack sounded alarms in Tokyo and in Washington.
KAPLAN: The 9/11 Commission in the United States talked about a failure of imagination, why we didn't see 9/11 coming. This attack, the subway attack, was almost 9/11. And so it's been a huge wake-up call, not just for the Japanese, but for people everywhere, that terrorists can get a hold of these terribly destructive weapons.
HEMMER: Although it's not clear what, if anything, Al Qaeda may have learned from Aum, Japan, nearly 10 years after the sarin gas attack, could become a target again.
KAPLAN: Japan's been part of the coalition that's gone into Iraq. Japanese are strong backers of elements of U.S. foreign policy that have upset radical Muslims around the world.
HEMMER: And, Kaplan says, counterterrorism officials believe another attack on Japanese soil is a case of not if, but when.
KAPLAN: What I think the big danger is now that Aum is pretty well contained is what comes next. What is on the boards heading our way that we just don't see? We didn't see Oklahoma City coming. We didn't see 9/11 coming. We didn't see the Tokyo subway attack. What's next?
(END VIDEOTAPE)
HEMMER: This past March, after a trial that lasted eight years, the cult leader, Shoko Asahara was sentenced to death for masterminding the sarin gas attacks of 1995, nine years ago.
About eight hours ago, just west of our location here in Tokyo, a beautiful shot of the tallest point in all of Japan, Mount Fuji, a mountain that is sacred to the Japanese people, really a stunning view every day, and when the skies are clear, it's a quite easy sight to see from downtown Tokyo. In fact, we can see it out of our hotel room every morning. Great place to wake up.
(WEATHER REPORT)
HEMMER: It is almost midnight here in Tokyo. And these people have been very intrepid again tonight, hanging out in the chilly temperatures.
How are you doing tonight. What's your name?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Christa Rudder (ph).
HEMMER: Christa, where are you from?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Philadelphia.
HEMMER: And I take it you're a fan of AMERICAN MORNING and you catch it here on CNN.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I watch it all the time.
HEMMER: Excellent.
How about yourself? Where are you from?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hong Kong.
HEMMER: From Hong Kong. What's your name?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Katherine (ph).
HEMMER: Katherine, what is that around your eye, and where did you get that design?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Made it myself, what can I say? HEMMER: Well, it looks beautiful.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Thank you.
HEMMER: And who is this down here?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Pokey.
HEMMER: Who is it?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Pokey.
HEMMER: Uh-huh.
Hey, Pokey. How are you?
What's your name? Where are you from?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Karen, and I'm from Arizona, and Florida.
HEMMER: OK, well, terrific. Thanks for coming out tonight. And to everybody here, stay warm, OK? Because it's chilly.
I will do that. From the Jets fan, done for that.
Back to Soledad now in New York -- Soledad.
O'BRIEN: All right, Bill, thank you.
Coming up this morning, a caution for women: men who remarry tend to gain weight. Dr. Sanjay Gupta explains why, up next.
Also the search engine Google is adding a ton of information to its service. Lots of it will be free. We'll tell you exactly what, ahead on AMERICAN MORNING.
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O'BRIEN: Guess what? There's good news and bad news for men who are trying marriage the second time around. A new study says it's good for your diet, but it's bad for your health. Dr. Sanjay Gupta joins us from the CNN center to explain a little good news/bad news there.
Hey, Sanjay, good morning.
DR. SANJAY GUPTA, CNN MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT: Good morning, Soledad.
Go figure, right? We've known for some time that marriage in general, at least the first time around, is good for a man's health, as long as it's a good marriage. And that if the marriage ends, either by divorce or by death of the spouse, that's generally a bad thing in terms of health outcomes, in terms of survival.
The question that Harvard researchers wanted to answer was, what happens if you remarry? Does that put you back into that state of good health through couplehood? Here's what they found. They followed 40,000 men. The body mass index in these men who remarried went up, physical activity went down, both bad things, obviously. Healthy diet did improve somewhat, but not enough to offset the overall body mass index and physical inactivity, so overall bad for your health, at least by the conclusion of these researchers, unclear what the ultimate effect is in terms of survival or outcome. But at least in the short run, doesn't appear to payoff in terms of health -- Soledad.
O'BRIEN: What's the impact on age? I mean, does that play a role in this, or is it sort of across the board? Doesn't matter what the age of the man is?
GUPTA: It really does play an impact. Sort of strikes at the reason why this occurs in the first place. And what they tried to figured out was it has to do with social-support networks, people who had better social-support networks tended to do better. So older men actually better, better coping skills. They have something known as the hardy survivor effect. That's what researchers termed it. They can cope better. Younger men, on the other hand, who don't have the social support network as strong tended to do more poorly -- Soledad.
O'BRIEN: So, would you extrapolate to the same results for women? You know, is it relaxing for women to be -- or healthy for women to be married a second time? Or is it less healthy?
GUPTA: Well, you know, here's the thing, and they actually did a study on this, a parallel study on women, as well. This study was just done on men, and they found it really goes back to the social support network thing, which I found really interesting. Women first of all, tend to have better social support networks in general than men. So what this says, according to the study,is they're more likely to do better, even after being remarried. They're not likely to perpetuate bad habits that may have developed during a period of divorce or death of a spouse. So not as striking an effect on women, Soledad.
O'BRIEN: This might be good news if you cut somebody loose. You know where I'm going with that. All right, Sanjay. As always, thank you.
Still to come this morning, after nearly three years we're about to meet one of the most quoted people on our program. We'll explain ahead, on AMERICAN MORNING. Stay with us.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
O'BRIEN: Is a virtual library headed your way? Plus, the NFL limiting its use of video games. With a look at that and the markets, Andy Serwer is "Minding Your Business."
Want to start with the markets?
ANDY SERWER, "FORTUNE" MAGAZINE": I do. Let's check out the impact of the Scott Peterson sentencing on the markets. I'm just kidding. It's not impacting the markets, of course.
O'BRIEN: I fell for that.
SERWER: You did fall for it. You were very serious about it. Markets are down eight, not having anything to do with Scott Peterson.
What's moving today, Electronic Arts, the big video game company, signed an exclusive deal with the NFL. What a juggernaut this company is. Madden football, 40 million copies since it debuted in 1989. Now they're going to have an exclusive deal for five years. That stock is up 3 1/2 to $60. It was $45 a month ago. A lot of stuff moving with all the software guys and the telecom stocks moving, as well.
Google, though, is the big story of the morning. They are expanding a business model so that they are going to be able to allow you to look at some of the nation's top research libraries. They're going to be digitizing all the books, Harvard, Stanford, New York Public Library. Each one of these libraries is going to allow a different amount of their books to be copied, and it's going to be a huge project. It's going to take years and years and years.
O'BRIEN: It's free, right?
SERWER: Yes. And some librarians said that within two decades most of the nation's, if not world's libraries, will be digitized and free on the Internet, which raises a lot of issues. It's a good thing, but think about term papers and colleges at that sort of thing.
O'BRIEN: You would go right there, wouldn't you?
SERWER: I would.
O'BRIEN: All right, Andy, thanks. Want to look at the Question of the Day.
JACK CAFFERTY, CNN ANCHOR: John McCain and Norman Schwarzkopf, a couple of influential Republican voices critical of the secretary of defense, Donald Rumsfeld, over his handling of the war in Iraq and his handling of some questions the other day from the troops when he was visiting over there in Baghdad.
The question is, should Donald Rumsfeld consider resigning as the secretary of defense?
Lloyd in Youngstown, Ohio writes, "Leave Rummy alone. He inherited a military disaster left by the Clinton administration. He's making a tremendous effort to not only rebuild a devastated military, but to reorganize it to fit today's and tomorrow's needs."
Ed in Rogers, Missouri writes, "A mistake? The Bush administration admitting a mistake? I don't think so."
And Reed, who's a member of the United States Air Force in Arlington, Virginia, "No, he shouldn't resign. One of the reasons everyone likes him is that he doesn't tap dance around questions. We do go to war with the military we have, and our elected officials are the ones that appropriate the funds to improve that, not the secretary of defense."
Some thoughts on Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld.
O'BRIEN: Interesting question of the day. I liked it.
CAFFERTY: Well, aim to please. That's what we're trying to do.
(CROSSTALK)
SERWER: It's good stuff for people who weren't watching.
(CROSSTALK)
CAFFERTY: We had this story about these pillows they're selling in Japan.
O'BRIEN: It's a long...
CAFFERTY: Yes, you had to be there.
I withdraw the question.
O'BRIEN: OK, we'll consider it withdrawn. Thank you, Jack. Let's go back to Tokyo and Bill Hemmer -- Bill.
HEMMER: Don't hit him. Yet.
Until now, Soledad, we have known him only as Dave in Japan. He's an AMERICAN MORNING viewer who always has a rather unique response every day to Jack's Question of the Day.
Here's a look at some of Dave's more memorable e-mail moments on our show.
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CAFFERTY: The question is whether you care if professional athletes use this stuff. And Dave in Japan writes this, "As far as Major League baseball goes, drug use of any kind should warrant an immediate and permanent expulsion from the game. And if you don't think the problem's that widespread, take a look at the cubs. That ain't ivy they're growing on the outfield walls."
The question is, who ought to get credit for the birth of rock 'n' roll. Dave in Japan, "Oprah Winfrey should get the credit. I know it doesn't make any sense, but if she sees this, maybe we'll give me a car."
Dave in Japan. Dave, we have not heard from you recently. I'm glad to hear your alive and well.
"I had this job sending e-mails to a morning news show every, day did it for a year, gave the anchorman some great material, suffered nothing but on air abuse from the guy and didn't even get so much as a CNN coffee mug for my efforts."
Dave, here's the deal. Life sucks and then you die.
HEMMER: Here in Tokyo, say hello to Dave Williams. He's no longer Dave from Japan. He's our guest here now. How are you doing, man?
DAVE WILLIAMS: Pretty good.
HEMMER: Great to see you tonight.
Say hello to Jack Cafferty back in New York.
WILLIAMS: I thought it was life sucks, get a helmet, Jack.
CAFFERTY: If you wish, Dave.
Nice to see you. Nice hat, Dave, where'd you get the hat?
WILLIAMS: Well, I'm Canadian. I got it in Ottawa, Canada.
CAFFERTY: You were whining we didn't send you a coffee mug. Have you seen the CNN coffee mugs, Dave? We're doing you a huge favor. They are the cheesiest coffee mugs ever made.
WILLIAMS: DAYBREAK has the coffee mug. "ANDERSON COOPER" has a "360" T-shirt.
Jack, what do you got, man?
HEMMER: Jack, we got something for him.
CAFFERTY: What?
HEMMER: AMERICAN MORNING in japanese.
WILLIAMS: Hey, that's pretty nifty.
HEMMER: You've come a long way, baby. That's for you, and I hope it fits.
WILLIAMS: Thank you very much, Bill.
HEMMER: If it doesn't, wash your car with it.
Good to see you, man.
WILLIAMS: Thank you very much.
HEMMER: Thanks for being a good sport.
Dave in Japan here in Tokyo.
Back to Soledad now.
O'BRIEN: All right, Bill, thanks. Coming up on CNN this morning, news that most of the nation is dangerously unprepared for bioterrorist attack. That's coming up in the next hour with Daryn Kagan and Rick Sanchez on "CNN LIVE TODAY."
American moment back in just a morning.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
HEMMER: Reminder for you tomorrow, join us here on AMERICAN MORNING again here in Japan. I will talk exclusively with Japan's prime minister, Junichiro Koizumi, about his close relationship with the president, President Bush, also talk about North Korea, the issue of Iraq, the state of U.S.-Japanese relations and that alliance. An awful lot to talk about. We'll have it for you tomorrow, only here on AMERICAN MORNING, yet again live in Tokyo.
It's almost midnight. We're going to say good night. Sayonara for another day from Japan.
Soledad, we will see you again tomorrow, on Wednesday.
O'BRIEN: Yes, we will see you then. We're out of time here as well. Bill, thanks, everybody. From all of us here, thank you for joining us this morning.
Let's throw it down to Daryn Kagan, Rick Sanchez at the CNN Center. They're going to take you through the next couple of hours on "CNN LIVE TODAY."
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Aired December 14, 2004 - 09:30 ET
THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.
SOLEDAD O'BRIEN, CNN ANCHOR: And it is exactly half past the hour on this AMERICAN MORNING.
In just a few minutes, reaction to Scott Peterson's death sentence from his former mistress Amber Frey. Her attorney, Gloria Allred, is our guest. She's spoken to her client since yesterday's sentencing. We'll ask what they talked about.
Also Bill Hemmer back in Tokyo takes a look at how the Japanese people are preparing for terrorists, learning from the deadly sarin gas attack almost 10 years ago. But first, a check of the headlines with Kelly Wallace.
Good morning again.
KELLY WALLACE, CNN ANCHOR: Thanks so much, Soledad.
Good morning again, everyone.
Now in the news, what could be a significant development in the Bush administration's war on terrorism, reports that two key Taliban leaders have been caught by Afghan forces. The arrests happened near the southern Afghan city of Kandahar. According to wire reports, one of the men held is a former security chief for Taliban leader Mullah Omar. Officials are hoping this latest arrest could potentially lead to Omar's capture.
To India now, where at least 27 people are dead in a horrific train accident. These pictures you'll see showing the torn wreckage of two passenger trains. Authorities say at least three cars derailed when the trains collided some 240 miles north of New Delhi.
Back here in the United States, in the next two hours, a ceremony at the White House. President Bush is expected to bestow the nation's highest civilian honor to three men central to his policy in Iraq. The Medal of Freedom will go to former CIA director George Tenet, former Iraq administrator Paul Bremer, and retired Army General Tommy Franks.
CNN will have live coverage at 11:30 a.m. Eastern.
And news about talk show host Regis Philbin. He will be ringing in the new year at New York's Times Square. Philbin replacing Dick Clark for the New Year's Rockin' Eve Show. The 75-year-old Clark is recovering from what's being described as a mild stroke. Clark has hosted the New Year's Eve special on ABC for more than 30 years. He says he's thankful Regis could step in on such short notice. Of course we hope Dick Clark gets better very soon. And, Soledad, we know Regis will do a very good job on New Year's Eve.
O'BRIEN: Yes, no question about that. But you still miss Dick Clark, huh?
WALLACE: Yes, absolutely. It won't be the same without him.
O'BRIEN: That's the way to put it. All right, Kelly, thanks.
WALLACE: Nearly two years after Laci Peterson was murdered, the jury in the case handed Scott Peterson his fate.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: People of the state of California versus Scott Peterson. We the jury in the above entitled cause fix the penalty at death, dated December 13th, 2004, foreperson No. 6.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
O'BRIEN: It took the jury a little over 11 hours of deliberation to recommend that Peterson get the death penalty. And a key part of the prosecution's case was, of course, testimony of his former girlfriend. Joining us this morning to talk about that Gloria Allred, the attorney for Amber Frey.
Nice to see you. Thanks for coming in.
GLORIA ALLRED, ATTY. FOR AMBER FREY: You, too. Thanks, Soledad.
O'BRIEN: What's been Amber's reaction? I know you've spoken to her. Does she feel vindicated? Does she feel relieved? Does she feel happy? Does she feel that justice was meted out?
ALLRED: It was a very emotional day for Amber yesterday. Obviously her feelings towards Scott Peterson are very complicated. But, Soledad, she's always said that the judge and the jury, after hearing all of the evidence, would be in a position to decide what a just result should be. And yesterday, they decided that the death penalty was the recommendation of the jury.
O'BRIEN: Of the jurors when we saw them come out and again this morning when we were talking to some of them, seem really, I think it's fair to describe it, as shell-shocked, a long process. Would you describe amber the same way?
ALLRED: It has been. I mean, it's been a real roller coaster. And I really admire her, because she's had so much courage through all of this. She's done the right thing. She immediately agreed to assist law enforcement when they asked her to tape record those telephone calls between Scott Peterson and herself. I think they were very important. I think the many members of the jury really thought it was bizarre, that a man whose pregnant wife was missing would be on the telephone with his girlfriend just about less than a week after the wife went missing, and would be talking pillow talk, romantic talk to his girlfriend, from the vigil for his missing wife.
In addition, he kept up that long string of telephone calls with Amber. He acknowledged in those phone calls that he had said to Amber that he had lost his wife. These would be the first holidays without her. Then he talked about wanting a future with her, wanting to be with her forever. Some of the jurors yesterday, Soledad, talked about the fact that they thought that Scott Peterson perhaps had done what he did, committed the doubler murder, because he wanted freedom. I think that the relationship with amber helped to demonstrate that he didn't want a relationship with Laci. He didn't want to be a father. He did want his freedom.
O'BRIEN: You said that Amber took some great risks. And then you talked about a map that was found in Scott Peterson's car when he was arrested.
ALLRED: Yes.
O'BRIEN: And some other things that were found in that vehicle as well. Elaborate on that for me a little.
ALLRED: Yes. I was concerned about a possible risk of harm to herself. What if Scott Peterson had discovered that she was assisting police? In fact, when he was arrested on April 18th, in his car, law enforcement, who by the way did a great job in this case, found, among other things, they found a shovel, they found ropes, they found knives, and they found a Mapquest map to Amber's workplace, dated that very day, April 18th. What was Scott Peterson planning to do? Was he planning to drive there? For what purpose? Was he going to harm her? Did he discover that she was taping phone calls, and then handing the tapes over to the police? I guess we'll never know. But that certainly sent chills up my spine when I heard about it.
O'BRIEN: You've alluded to, in addition to all the tapes that we've heard coming, that the jurors had access to as well, many more tapes that were not played for anybody. What other story does amber have to tell? She's obviously -- doesn't take a genius to figure out a book deal has got to be in the works, maybe a movie deal has got to be in the works.
ALLRED: Well, I certainly hope that she does tell her story. I've certainly encouraged her to do that.
O'BRIEN: What's on those other tapes?
ALLRED: Well, I mean, there's a lot on those tapes. It shows what the relationship was, and the intensity of the relationship, and a lot of that didn't come out during the prosecution's case, because, of course, you know, they couldn't just keep playing tape after tape. I think they made the point with the tapes that they played. But I think it showed how obsessed Scott was with Amber. And what he was planning with her in the future, if they were going to have a future together, and the details of that. And I thought it was very important that he said on those tapes, as well, that if he were with Amber, he didn't want to have a biological child. Did he mean Conner? I guess we'll never know. But he said a lot that revealed the true Scott Peterson.
O'BRIEN: Another question that we'll probably never have answered. Gloria Allred, nice to have you come in and chat with us.
ALLRED: Thank you.
O'BRIEN: We certainly appreciate it.
ALLRED: Thank you, Soledad.
O'BRIEN: It must be nice to have the last six months over with now finally.
Let's go back now to Tokyo and Bill Hemmer -- Bill.
BILL HEMMER, CNN ANCHOR: All right, Soledad, thank you. Terrorism now a global concern, we know that. But before Al Qaeda become synonymous with terror, a Japanese cult shocked the world by using weapons of mass destruction to terrorize Tokyo's subway riders.
In our CNN Security Watch this morning, that horrific event has been called Japan's crime of the century.
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DAVID KAPLAN, AUTHOR, "THE CULT AT THE END OF THE WORLD": Aum was a doomsday sect that was intent on jumpstarting the apocalypse.
HEMMER (voice-over): On march 20th, 1995 this group of homegrown terrorists launched an attack on Tokyo's subway system, the world's busiest, using deadly sarin nerve gas. Twelve people were killed, more than 5,000 injured, and Japan's image as a safe haven from terror was shattered.
KAPLAN: Aum's attacks paralyzed Japanese society. They declared a day of fear which paralyzed much of Tokyo. People didn't go out of their houses. I mean, it really was quite amazing what this one doomsday sect was able to accomplish in a pretty sophisticated society.
HEMMER: David Kaplan, author of the cult at the end of the world, says the Aum Shinrikyo attack sounded alarms in Tokyo and in Washington.
KAPLAN: The 9/11 Commission in the United States talked about a failure of imagination, why we didn't see 9/11 coming. This attack, the subway attack, was almost 9/11. And so it's been a huge wake-up call, not just for the Japanese, but for people everywhere, that terrorists can get a hold of these terribly destructive weapons.
HEMMER: Although it's not clear what, if anything, Al Qaeda may have learned from Aum, Japan, nearly 10 years after the sarin gas attack, could become a target again.
KAPLAN: Japan's been part of the coalition that's gone into Iraq. Japanese are strong backers of elements of U.S. foreign policy that have upset radical Muslims around the world.
HEMMER: And, Kaplan says, counterterrorism officials believe another attack on Japanese soil is a case of not if, but when.
KAPLAN: What I think the big danger is now that Aum is pretty well contained is what comes next. What is on the boards heading our way that we just don't see? We didn't see Oklahoma City coming. We didn't see 9/11 coming. We didn't see the Tokyo subway attack. What's next?
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HEMMER: This past March, after a trial that lasted eight years, the cult leader, Shoko Asahara was sentenced to death for masterminding the sarin gas attacks of 1995, nine years ago.
About eight hours ago, just west of our location here in Tokyo, a beautiful shot of the tallest point in all of Japan, Mount Fuji, a mountain that is sacred to the Japanese people, really a stunning view every day, and when the skies are clear, it's a quite easy sight to see from downtown Tokyo. In fact, we can see it out of our hotel room every morning. Great place to wake up.
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HEMMER: It is almost midnight here in Tokyo. And these people have been very intrepid again tonight, hanging out in the chilly temperatures.
How are you doing tonight. What's your name?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Christa Rudder (ph).
HEMMER: Christa, where are you from?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Philadelphia.
HEMMER: And I take it you're a fan of AMERICAN MORNING and you catch it here on CNN.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I watch it all the time.
HEMMER: Excellent.
How about yourself? Where are you from?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hong Kong.
HEMMER: From Hong Kong. What's your name?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Katherine (ph).
HEMMER: Katherine, what is that around your eye, and where did you get that design?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Made it myself, what can I say? HEMMER: Well, it looks beautiful.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Thank you.
HEMMER: And who is this down here?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Pokey.
HEMMER: Who is it?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Pokey.
HEMMER: Uh-huh.
Hey, Pokey. How are you?
What's your name? Where are you from?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Karen, and I'm from Arizona, and Florida.
HEMMER: OK, well, terrific. Thanks for coming out tonight. And to everybody here, stay warm, OK? Because it's chilly.
I will do that. From the Jets fan, done for that.
Back to Soledad now in New York -- Soledad.
O'BRIEN: All right, Bill, thank you.
Coming up this morning, a caution for women: men who remarry tend to gain weight. Dr. Sanjay Gupta explains why, up next.
Also the search engine Google is adding a ton of information to its service. Lots of it will be free. We'll tell you exactly what, ahead on AMERICAN MORNING.
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O'BRIEN: Guess what? There's good news and bad news for men who are trying marriage the second time around. A new study says it's good for your diet, but it's bad for your health. Dr. Sanjay Gupta joins us from the CNN center to explain a little good news/bad news there.
Hey, Sanjay, good morning.
DR. SANJAY GUPTA, CNN MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT: Good morning, Soledad.
Go figure, right? We've known for some time that marriage in general, at least the first time around, is good for a man's health, as long as it's a good marriage. And that if the marriage ends, either by divorce or by death of the spouse, that's generally a bad thing in terms of health outcomes, in terms of survival.
The question that Harvard researchers wanted to answer was, what happens if you remarry? Does that put you back into that state of good health through couplehood? Here's what they found. They followed 40,000 men. The body mass index in these men who remarried went up, physical activity went down, both bad things, obviously. Healthy diet did improve somewhat, but not enough to offset the overall body mass index and physical inactivity, so overall bad for your health, at least by the conclusion of these researchers, unclear what the ultimate effect is in terms of survival or outcome. But at least in the short run, doesn't appear to payoff in terms of health -- Soledad.
O'BRIEN: What's the impact on age? I mean, does that play a role in this, or is it sort of across the board? Doesn't matter what the age of the man is?
GUPTA: It really does play an impact. Sort of strikes at the reason why this occurs in the first place. And what they tried to figured out was it has to do with social-support networks, people who had better social-support networks tended to do better. So older men actually better, better coping skills. They have something known as the hardy survivor effect. That's what researchers termed it. They can cope better. Younger men, on the other hand, who don't have the social support network as strong tended to do more poorly -- Soledad.
O'BRIEN: So, would you extrapolate to the same results for women? You know, is it relaxing for women to be -- or healthy for women to be married a second time? Or is it less healthy?
GUPTA: Well, you know, here's the thing, and they actually did a study on this, a parallel study on women, as well. This study was just done on men, and they found it really goes back to the social support network thing, which I found really interesting. Women first of all, tend to have better social support networks in general than men. So what this says, according to the study,is they're more likely to do better, even after being remarried. They're not likely to perpetuate bad habits that may have developed during a period of divorce or death of a spouse. So not as striking an effect on women, Soledad.
O'BRIEN: This might be good news if you cut somebody loose. You know where I'm going with that. All right, Sanjay. As always, thank you.
Still to come this morning, after nearly three years we're about to meet one of the most quoted people on our program. We'll explain ahead, on AMERICAN MORNING. Stay with us.
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O'BRIEN: Is a virtual library headed your way? Plus, the NFL limiting its use of video games. With a look at that and the markets, Andy Serwer is "Minding Your Business."
Want to start with the markets?
ANDY SERWER, "FORTUNE" MAGAZINE": I do. Let's check out the impact of the Scott Peterson sentencing on the markets. I'm just kidding. It's not impacting the markets, of course.
O'BRIEN: I fell for that.
SERWER: You did fall for it. You were very serious about it. Markets are down eight, not having anything to do with Scott Peterson.
What's moving today, Electronic Arts, the big video game company, signed an exclusive deal with the NFL. What a juggernaut this company is. Madden football, 40 million copies since it debuted in 1989. Now they're going to have an exclusive deal for five years. That stock is up 3 1/2 to $60. It was $45 a month ago. A lot of stuff moving with all the software guys and the telecom stocks moving, as well.
Google, though, is the big story of the morning. They are expanding a business model so that they are going to be able to allow you to look at some of the nation's top research libraries. They're going to be digitizing all the books, Harvard, Stanford, New York Public Library. Each one of these libraries is going to allow a different amount of their books to be copied, and it's going to be a huge project. It's going to take years and years and years.
O'BRIEN: It's free, right?
SERWER: Yes. And some librarians said that within two decades most of the nation's, if not world's libraries, will be digitized and free on the Internet, which raises a lot of issues. It's a good thing, but think about term papers and colleges at that sort of thing.
O'BRIEN: You would go right there, wouldn't you?
SERWER: I would.
O'BRIEN: All right, Andy, thanks. Want to look at the Question of the Day.
JACK CAFFERTY, CNN ANCHOR: John McCain and Norman Schwarzkopf, a couple of influential Republican voices critical of the secretary of defense, Donald Rumsfeld, over his handling of the war in Iraq and his handling of some questions the other day from the troops when he was visiting over there in Baghdad.
The question is, should Donald Rumsfeld consider resigning as the secretary of defense?
Lloyd in Youngstown, Ohio writes, "Leave Rummy alone. He inherited a military disaster left by the Clinton administration. He's making a tremendous effort to not only rebuild a devastated military, but to reorganize it to fit today's and tomorrow's needs."
Ed in Rogers, Missouri writes, "A mistake? The Bush administration admitting a mistake? I don't think so."
And Reed, who's a member of the United States Air Force in Arlington, Virginia, "No, he shouldn't resign. One of the reasons everyone likes him is that he doesn't tap dance around questions. We do go to war with the military we have, and our elected officials are the ones that appropriate the funds to improve that, not the secretary of defense."
Some thoughts on Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld.
O'BRIEN: Interesting question of the day. I liked it.
CAFFERTY: Well, aim to please. That's what we're trying to do.
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SERWER: It's good stuff for people who weren't watching.
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CAFFERTY: We had this story about these pillows they're selling in Japan.
O'BRIEN: It's a long...
CAFFERTY: Yes, you had to be there.
I withdraw the question.
O'BRIEN: OK, we'll consider it withdrawn. Thank you, Jack. Let's go back to Tokyo and Bill Hemmer -- Bill.
HEMMER: Don't hit him. Yet.
Until now, Soledad, we have known him only as Dave in Japan. He's an AMERICAN MORNING viewer who always has a rather unique response every day to Jack's Question of the Day.
Here's a look at some of Dave's more memorable e-mail moments on our show.
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CAFFERTY: The question is whether you care if professional athletes use this stuff. And Dave in Japan writes this, "As far as Major League baseball goes, drug use of any kind should warrant an immediate and permanent expulsion from the game. And if you don't think the problem's that widespread, take a look at the cubs. That ain't ivy they're growing on the outfield walls."
The question is, who ought to get credit for the birth of rock 'n' roll. Dave in Japan, "Oprah Winfrey should get the credit. I know it doesn't make any sense, but if she sees this, maybe we'll give me a car."
Dave in Japan. Dave, we have not heard from you recently. I'm glad to hear your alive and well.
"I had this job sending e-mails to a morning news show every, day did it for a year, gave the anchorman some great material, suffered nothing but on air abuse from the guy and didn't even get so much as a CNN coffee mug for my efforts."
Dave, here's the deal. Life sucks and then you die.
HEMMER: Here in Tokyo, say hello to Dave Williams. He's no longer Dave from Japan. He's our guest here now. How are you doing, man?
DAVE WILLIAMS: Pretty good.
HEMMER: Great to see you tonight.
Say hello to Jack Cafferty back in New York.
WILLIAMS: I thought it was life sucks, get a helmet, Jack.
CAFFERTY: If you wish, Dave.
Nice to see you. Nice hat, Dave, where'd you get the hat?
WILLIAMS: Well, I'm Canadian. I got it in Ottawa, Canada.
CAFFERTY: You were whining we didn't send you a coffee mug. Have you seen the CNN coffee mugs, Dave? We're doing you a huge favor. They are the cheesiest coffee mugs ever made.
WILLIAMS: DAYBREAK has the coffee mug. "ANDERSON COOPER" has a "360" T-shirt.
Jack, what do you got, man?
HEMMER: Jack, we got something for him.
CAFFERTY: What?
HEMMER: AMERICAN MORNING in japanese.
WILLIAMS: Hey, that's pretty nifty.
HEMMER: You've come a long way, baby. That's for you, and I hope it fits.
WILLIAMS: Thank you very much, Bill.
HEMMER: If it doesn't, wash your car with it.
Good to see you, man.
WILLIAMS: Thank you very much.
HEMMER: Thanks for being a good sport.
Dave in Japan here in Tokyo.
Back to Soledad now.
O'BRIEN: All right, Bill, thanks. Coming up on CNN this morning, news that most of the nation is dangerously unprepared for bioterrorist attack. That's coming up in the next hour with Daryn Kagan and Rick Sanchez on "CNN LIVE TODAY."
American moment back in just a morning.
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HEMMER: Reminder for you tomorrow, join us here on AMERICAN MORNING again here in Japan. I will talk exclusively with Japan's prime minister, Junichiro Koizumi, about his close relationship with the president, President Bush, also talk about North Korea, the issue of Iraq, the state of U.S.-Japanese relations and that alliance. An awful lot to talk about. We'll have it for you tomorrow, only here on AMERICAN MORNING, yet again live in Tokyo.
It's almost midnight. We're going to say good night. Sayonara for another day from Japan.
Soledad, we will see you again tomorrow, on Wednesday.
O'BRIEN: Yes, we will see you then. We're out of time here as well. Bill, thanks, everybody. From all of us here, thank you for joining us this morning.
Let's throw it down to Daryn Kagan, Rick Sanchez at the CNN Center. They're going to take you through the next couple of hours on "CNN LIVE TODAY."
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