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ANDERSON COOPER 360 DEGREES

Deadly Helicopter Crash Claims Thirty-One U.S. Lives in Iraq; Fatal Train Collision in California; Dark Side of Pregnancy; Remembering Auschwitz

Aired January 26, 2005 - 19:00   ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.


CHRISTIANE AMANPOUR, HOST: I'm Christiane Amanpour, live from Baghdad. Good evening.
A deadly helicopter crash claims dozens of U.S. lives.

360 starts right now.

ANNOUNCER: The deadliest day for U.S. forces in Iraq since the war began. Thirty-one U.S. troops perish in a helicopter crash. Tonight, was it an accident? We'll have the latest on the investigation.

He traveled to Iraq to fight the Americans. Badly burned in a mission, he speaks of regret and revenge on those who sent him on the deadly mission he survived.

A fatal rush-hour train collision in California. Rescuers struggle to reach trapped survivors inside the mangled metal. Tonight, coming up, details on what has become a homicide investigation.

Our special series, Conquering Depression. Tonight, breaking the silence, pregnant and depressed. A look at the dark side of pregnancy no one seems to want to talk about.

And remembering millions of lives lost who entered the gates of Auschwitz. Tonight, CNN correspondent Allan Chernoff with a very personal story of his mother, how she survived hell on earth.

This is a special edition of ANDERSON COOPER 360 with Christiane Amanpour in Baghdad and Heidi Collins in New York.

HEIDI COLLINS, ANCHOR: Good evening once again, everybody. I am Heidi Collins.

A developing story out of Glendale, California, today. At least 10 people were killed, more than 100 injured, in the derailment and crash of two commuter trains and a freight train.

The accident happened when a car was left on the tracks by a man who apparently intended to commit suicide. But he jumped out before the collision, and is now under arrest and at the center of a homicide investigation. We will have more on this bizarre story coming up a little bit later on, but first now, we go back to Christiane Amanpour in Baghdad. Christiane?

AMANPOUR: Thanks, Heidi. And Anderson is on assignment tonight. He'll be able to tell us tomorrow what he's been up to, on this, the deadliest day so far for U.S. forces since the Iraq campaign began.

Of the 1,418 U.S. service men and women killed in this war, 37 more are now dead. Most of those were killed in one single deadly helicopter crash.

CNN's Jeff Koinange has our first report.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

JEFF KOINANGE, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): It's the single deadliest incident for U.S. forces since the invasion of Iraq. U.S. officials say 30 U.S. Marines and one sailor were killed after their helicopter crashed in the early hours of Wednesday morning near the town of Rutba in a remote part of western Iraq.

Still no word on whether the crash was an accident, or whether the helicopter, a CH-53 Super Stallion like this, was brought down by fire. Bad weather may have also been a factor, according to a spokesman for the 1st Marine Expeditionary Force, who add, search and rescue teams are combing the area, and an investigation is under way.

And on a dark day for U.S. forces here, four other Marines were killed in combat operations, also in western Iraq.

Nor was just U.S. forces that suffered this day. And near Kirkuk in the country's north, three car bombs in the space of an hour targeted Iraq's security forces, killing several and wounding a number of soldiers and policemen.

Insurgents have already started targeting schools, which will become polling centers on election day. Three were firebombed late Tuesday, causing extensive damage.

Despite the violence, some candidates are campaigning hard to be elected to the new national assembly.

This is Sadr City, a sprawling, low-income neighborhood in eastern Baghdad, home to more than 2 million people, most of them Shi'ites. Candidates of the Independent Patriotic Movement are hustling for votes. They are followers of the radical Shi'ite cleric Muqtada Sadr. He's not running for office, but his supporters are, and have high hopes that Sunday's vote will pay dividends for the long-oppressed Shi'ite majority.

"The southern followers are tired and have sacrificed a lot," this man says. "We want free and decent elections if God wills. That's all we want. We are fed up with the present situation."

(END VIDEOTAPE) AMANPOUR: Now, this deadly helicopter crash came just four days ahead of elections, and as we wait to see whether it was a hostile action or just one of those terrible accidents of war, President Bush happened to hold his first press conference of his second term.

CNN's Judy Woodruff reports.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

GEORGE W. BUSH, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: The story today is going to be very discouraging to the American people. I understand that. We value life. And we weep and mourn when soldiers lose their life.

JUDY WOODRUFF, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): The president, referring to the helicopter crash and other deaths of U.S. troops in Iraq today, the danger intensifying before Iraqi elections on Sunday. The president urged the Iraqi people to defy terrorists threatening to attack polling places and kill voters.

BUSH: Clearly, there are some who are intimidated. Surveys show that the vast majority of people do want to participate in democracy. And some are feeling intimidated. I urge all people to vote.

WOODRUFF: Mr. Bush urged Americans to have patience as his administration works toward its long-term goal of promoting democracy in Iraq and other parts of the world. He suggested his inaugural address pledge to fight tyranny across the globe was not a shift in U.S. foreign policy but rather part of a process.

BUSH: This will require the commitment of generations, but we're seeing much progress in our own time.

WOODRUFF: Mr. Bush held the 18th full-blown news conference of his presidency shortly before the Senate voted to confirm Condoleezza Rice as secretary of state. Asked about critics of Rice and her role in shaping his Iraq policy, the president promised Rice would do a wonderful job.

Judy Woodruff, CNN, Washington.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

AMANPOUR: So with the majority of Iraqis now considering American troops here an occupying force rather than a liberating force, how long should U.S. forces stay in Iraq after the election? It's a controversial issue, because none of the parties are allowed under U.S. rules to call for a precise U.S. troop withdrawal.

I put the question to Iraq's interim president, who is also running for election.

When you look ahead, and you see that increasingly a majority of Iraqi people consider the American forces here an occupation force rather than a liberation force, when do you think America should pull its forces out? When will the job be done? GHAZI AL-YAWAR, INTERIM PRESIDENT OF IRAQ: When the job has been well done. That's when we have established our -- the first steps toward democracy, when we have enough strength within the government, and when we have capable security forces.

AMANPOUR: Capable security forces, that is the big question when it is America's exit strategy. Will the insurgents be defeated after the elections? Nobody thinks it'll happen anytime soon, but that is the ongoing aim.

And it's not often that you get to talk to an insurgent or question him about what he did, a suicide bomber. Obviously most of these are usually blown up in their attacks. But not always.

Anderson Cooper now on an interrogation of one who says he was duped into delivering death.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

ANDERSON COOPER, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): This is the face of an alleged bomber. The man, badly burned, says his name is Ahmed Abdullah al-Shea (ph). He says he came to Iraq from Saudi Arabia to fight the Americans.

His first mission was to deliver a tanker truck, though he denies knowing it was going to explode. "They gave me the truck," he says, "told me to go right, then go left, where I would see barriers. There were supposed to be people there who would meet me to take the tanker from me. Once I arrived at the location, the tanker detonated while I was in it."

The tanker was filled with gasoline, and the explosion, on Christmas day, killed nine people. Twenty others were wounded, many of them women and children, badly burned. The man is now in the custody of Iraq's interior ministry, who made this tape and provided it to CNN.

"Do you feel regret?" Iraqi officials ask him. "Yes," he says, though his voice is barely audible.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

AMANPOUR: Now, these terrorists and insurgents are terrorizing, as you can imagine, voters ahead of the elections. There are some fliers going around warning people not to go to the polls, but most people here want to vote and will be watching that.

For now, we go back to Heidi with the rest of the day's news. Heidi?

COLLINS: All right, Christiane, thanks so much.

The attorney general nomination moves along, and that tops our look at news cross-country now.

Washington, D.C., the nomination of Alberto Gonzales as attorney general has now gone to the full Senate. There could be a confirmation vote next week.

San Francisco, California, a proposed new smoking ban in all public parks, recreational areas, piers, playgrounds, and playing fields. The only exception, public golf courses. Legislators worry golfers may take their handicaps and their money to private courses.

Ocala, Florida, two boys, ages 9 and 10, are in big trouble for stick figures they drew in school. Both boys were charged with felonies and led away in handcuffs for threatening pictures of a classmate being stabbed and hung.

Jefferson City, Missouri, the governor has banned video games in a state's prison after reports that some of the state's most violent inmates were allowed to play games simulating murder, carjackings, and cop killings.

Cape Canaveral, Florida, mission accomplished. The two space station astronauts, an American and a Russian, left their orbiting home and floated outside to install an experimental robotic arm.

And that's a look at stories cross-country tonight.

360 next, a deadly train crash. Police blame a man they say was suicidal. Find out why they're now charging him with murder.

Plus, the dark side of pregnancy. Why some women suffer extreme sadness during what is supposed to be the happiest time of their lives. Part of our special series, Conquering Depression.

Also tonight, hate, Hitler, and heavy metal, Neonazis in America. Our special report commemorating the liberation of Auschwitz.

But first, your picks, the most popular stories on CNN.com right now.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

COLLINS: You are looking at some pictures now from Glendale, California, near Los Angeles, where an early-morning routine turned into a nightmare. At least 10 people were killed when a commuter train hit a car, then derailed, and smashed into two other trains. Police say the owner of the car wanted to commit suicide. But now he is accused of homicide.

Here's CNN's Ted Rowlands.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

TED ROWLANDS, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Filled with people headed to work, two commuter trains collided just after 6:00 a.m.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It was terrible. And I can hear screams. I can see people crying, people covered in blood. It was terrible. To get out of the train, we have to break the window and jump off the train. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It was all, like, steamy in there, and things you see on TV, you know, like it's really steamy, and you can hear hoses broken and people screaming.

ROWLANDS: It took hours to get the injured free. Search and rescue teams used infrared cameras to locate victims. In some cases, portions of the twisted metal had to be cut away. The first people on scene were a group of employees who heard the crash from a Costco store. They helped pull victims out, including a man who later died.

MARK ZAVALA, COSTCO EMPLOYEE: He was still conscious at that time and told us, Don't let me die, you know, and he said, you know, Pray for me, you know. And we're -- and that's -- it sticks -- it sticks in my head. And then a little bit -- about 10 minutes or five minutes later, when the fire department got there, my last thing seeing was them working on him, giving him CPR and giving him mouth- to-mouth. And then later we find out, he didn't make it.

ROWLANDS: A car left on the tracks is what investigators say caused the accident, derailing one of the commuter trains.

DAVID MORRISON, PASSENGER: It sounded like the train was dragging something across the tracks in front of it. And then all of a sudden, the lights went out, the train jerked to a stop...

ROWLANDS: Investigators say the car that caused the crash belongs to 26-year-old Juan Manuel Alvarez (ph), who, they say, drove onto the tracks to commit suicide, but jumped out of his car before the train hit. Investigators say instead of killing himself, Alvarez stood and watched others die in the collision.

RANDY ADAMS, GLENDALE POLICE CHIEF: Mr. Alvarez has been arrested, and has been charged or will be charged with at least 10 counts of murder.

ROWLANDS: Among the dead, L.A. sheriff's deputy James Tutuno (ph), who leaves behind a wife and four children. Like most of the passengers, he was on his way to work.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

ROWLANDS: Of the 10 dead, nine are adult males, one is an adult female. As for Alvarez, he is 25 years old. He's in the hospital tonight with self-inflicted wounds. A final decision on what exact charges he will face is expected to be made by Friday, Heidi.

COLLINS: Tragic in so many ways. Ted Rowlands, thanks so much.

Chinese hostages return home, and that tops our look at global stories in the uplink.

Fu-jen (ph) Province, China, eight Chinese construction workers, freed from Iraqi insurgents last weekend, came home today. China's foreign ministry says the men are in good shape. Their return had been delayed because of fighting near Baghdad's airport. South Asia, mourning tsunami victims one month later. In Colombo, Sri Lanka, hundreds of people gathered in Independence Square for a silent vigil to mark the moment the tsunami struck.

In Indonesia, many children returned to damaged schools and prayed for missing classmates. At least 143,000 died in the tsunami. More than 146,000 still missing.

On MTV Europe, actress Angelina Jolie will present a 30-minute documentary on sex trafficking. The program will include interviews with victims of Europe's trafficking chain as well as the criminals behind it. It's set to air next month, and Jolie she hopes it will empower women and girls.

And that's tonight's uplink.

360 next, breaking the silence. Pregnant women coping with depression when everyone expects them to be happy. Dr. Sanjay Gupta explores this dark secret of the maternity ward, part of our special series, Conquering Depression.

Also tonight, Dr. Death. Joseph Mangele, his gruesome human experiments in Nazi death camps. The story of one woman whom survived them.

Plus, Neonazis in the U.S. How heavy metal is being used to lure teens into hate. Part of our special report on the 60th anniversary of the liberation of Auschwitz.

We're covering all the angles here on 360.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

COLLINS: Now to our special series on conquering depression. And tonight, breaking the silence about pregnancy and depression.

Most women think they'll have nine months of excitement and happiness, with maybe a little morning sickness here and there, but something unexpected is happening to some women who are expecting, and very few are talking about it.

CNN's Dr. Sanjay Gupta talks with one woman who's battling the demons of depression even as she is expecting a bundle of joy.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

SANJAY GUPTA, CNN SENIOR MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): It's the dark side of pregnancy that no one seems to talk about. Not the joyful expectancy or anticipation, but sadness, fatigue, even profound depression.

Thirty-five-year-old Kim Allard suffered all of those feelings in silence during her pregnancy.

KIM ALLARD, SUFFERED DEPRESSION DURING PREGNANCY: We're supposed to be happy and serene and joyful and excited, and we're not supposed to talk about the things that are hard about pregnancy.

GUPTA: And it was hard. When Allard's lifelong history of depression hit during her second trimester, for weeks at a time, she dreaded going to work, socializing with friends. Everything normal became a chore.

ALLARD: At one of the worst points, you know, food didn't even seem that interesting. And there were actually times when I had to remind myself to eat.

GUPTA: A 2001 study in the "British Medical Journal" indicates that depression during pregnancy may be more common than postpartum depression. Problem is...

ALLARD: Some of it is hard to tease out from the hormonal of people of pregnancy.

GUPTA: It's probably not just hormones, when moms have experienced depression before or had a family history, if the pregnancy is complicated, or inordinately stressful. And left unchecked, depression could cause problems not only for Mom but for the baby as well, like preterm delivery and low birth weight.

DR. ZACHARY STOWE, EMORY UNIVERSITY: We're not talking about the sniffles, you know. We're talking about something that can truly have an impact on the pregnancy.

GUPTA: For more serious case, some experts suggest taking antidepressants, but it's not known yet how these drugs will impact the fetus. Antidepressants during the third trimester could cause problems such as jitteriness when the baby is born.

DR. LORI ALTSHULER, UCLA: So to add now to that burden, in a very depressed woman whose doctor has made the decision with them that they need to be on medication, that they may additionally be harming their baby by causing a withdrawal syndrome in the child.

GUPTA: With all of this to weigh, Kim Allard decided to see a therapist. In her case, talk therapy alone worked, one of the best decisions she ever made.

Dr. Sanjay Gupta, CNN, Atlanta.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

COLLINS: What Kim Allard experienced during her pregnancy, many women suffer from after their babies are born. In fact, according to the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists, about 10 percent of new mothers fall into postpartum depression, a serious condition that can stretch on for months.

Mary Jo Codey, the wife of New Jersey's acting governor, was one of those women. She had struggled with depression most of her life, but things got much worse after the birth of her first child 20 years ago, so bad, she even had what she called "scary thoughts," like drowning her infant son. We talked to her a little bit earlier about this battle.

Let's talk about when you first realized that you indeed had postpartum depression, with that label on it, if you will.

MARY JO CODEY, FIRST LADY OF NEW JERSEY: I didn't expect to have postpartum depression at all. It took me three years to get pregnant with my son. So the last thing I expected was postpartum depression.

But a pediatrician in the hospital said to me, sometimes women, after they give birth, have postpartum depression, and I think that you might have it, because you seem very withdrawn. And I thought he was crazy, because I couldn't imagine having postpartum depression. I couldn't wait to have the baby. It's just that I was withdrawn and I didn't want to see anyone, but I thought I was tired.

COLLINS: Can you paint a picture for us of what that's like? I mean, this is the birth of a baby, it's a joyous time. This is probably something that you thought you were going to be feeling.

CODEY: Right. And I saw the look on my husband's face when my son was born, and I saw joy in his face, and I thought, Where's mine? I mean, I couldn't wait for the moment, and I felt nothing. I felt no joy. But I didn't realize the depression had set in already, right after his birth.

COLLINS: And there's a process to it, it seems. You say you started -- you were feeling withdrawn, sort of a feeling of indifference.

CODEY: I had a feeling of indifference, which I thought was strange, especially for me, because I love kids, and I couldn't wait. But the indifference went to irritability, because after I -- like, people were calling me and sending me gifts. You know, my husband was a senator already, so I was getting a lot of flowers. And it was, like, I wanted everyone to go away and leave me alone.

COLLINS: Those things bothered you.

CODEY: They bothered me. I just wanted to be left alone. I didn't want to see anyone, I didn't want to talk to anybody. And I wanted to be in a dark closet, just to be left alone.

COLLINS: You talk about those feelings going from indifference, to irritability, to, at one point, some scary thoughts...

CODEY: Right.

COLLINS: ... when you were working with and bathing and all the things that you do for a brand-new little boy.

CODEY: Those are intrusive thoughts that people that have severe postpartum depression can experience. They're not intentions. They're horrible thoughts that terrified me. They're pretty hard to shake, and I got them like 10, 12 times a day. And finally I wanted to go to the hospital just to make sure the baby would be OK. COLLINS: One of those scary thoughts that you had mentioned when you were working (UNINTELLIGIBLE)...

CODEY: They're terrifying thoughts.

COLLINS: ... of Kevin, you had thought about...

CODEY: They're terrifying.

COLLINS: ... putting him into the microwave, and that was the breaking point for you, when you said, That's it.

CODEY: Yes, no more. No more would I try to stay home.

COLLINS: You also had thoughts of suicide, though.

CODEY: Right. I think when you're taking care of your baby, and you have those thoughts -- and the hospital didn't work for me. And they couldn't find the right medication for me. Those were comforting thoughts to me. I wasn't afraid to commit suicide. I mean, if you think you are going to hurt your baby, wouldn't you much rather hurt yourself? It was a way out for me.

COLLINS: What type of treatment actually worked for you, though? After you'd gone through all of this, you came up with the diagnosis, what worked?

CODEY: A certain type of medication called an MAO inhibitor worked for me. And when it worked, it worked for -- you know, it worked in two weeks. So in two weeks' time, I went from being suicidal to being fine.

COLLINS: That's amazing.

CODEY: It took a year, it took a year for them to find the right medication for me. And I think the important part of -- an important thing for mothers to remember is to have to -- they have to hang in with the medication. They have to give it six weeks, and if it doesn't work, you have to try a different one for six weeks. And then they could combine them.

I think the important thing is to hang in there. And I think an important thing for new mothers, too, is to realize if they have a severe postpartum depression, it's no indicator of what kind of a mom they're going to be. They could be a wonderful mom and suffer from postpartum depression. And I think when you have a brand-new baby, and you're having these horrible thoughts, you think, What kind of mother am I? What kind of human being am I?

COLLINS: Sure.

CODEY: But they could be -- I met so many wonderful mothers that have gone through this, wonderful mothers.

COLLINS: Those are very helpful thoughts. Mary Jo Codey, the first lady of New Jersey, we appreciate your time here tonight. CODEY: Thank you.

COLLINS: Thanks so much.

CODEY: Thank you.

COLLINS: And we will be continuing our special series on conquering depression next week.

On Monday, masking depression, understanding the warning signs. And on Tuesday, we'll look at how the mind and body are connected when it comes to depression. That's next week, as 360 continues to examine all the angles on depression.

And this just in to us now here at CNN. Condoleezza Rice now officially secretary of state. She was sworn in by the White House chief of staff, Andy Card, just a few moments ago. Earlier today, the Senate voted to confirm her nomination by a vote of 85 to 13.

360 next, remembering lives lost at Auschwitz. CNN correspondent Allan Chernoff with a very personal story of his mother, how she survived one of the most notorious death camps, part of our special report on the 60th anniversary of the liberation of Auschwitz.

And why are some Americans worshiping Adolf Hitler and the Nazis?

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

COLLINS: For the U.S. military in Iraq, today was the worst day yet. A total of 37 troops killed, most of them in a helicopter crash. Those that died came from a great many places in the U.S., and needless to say, there is profound sadness today at all of those great many places. But the pain is particularly great in southern California, at the hub through which so many bound for Iraq pass. Miguel Marquez reports.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

MIGUEL MARQUEZ, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Leroy Hernandez (ph) and Jan Trout got the news that their son Lance Corporal Tony Hernandez was killed when the chopper he was in crashed in western Iraq.

JAN TROUT, MOTHER OF KILLED MARINE TONY HERNANDEZ: It's every nightmare for their child to be in a war and you pray every day that they come home safe but you know deep in your heart that there's always that chance that they won't.

MARQUEZ: Hernandez was based at Camp Pendleton, the home of the First Marine Division. All the marines on the chopper were assigned to the First Marine Division. It's not clear yet how many of the dead were based at Pendleton.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I don't. I mention, I don't. It's like I heard the crash this morning. And it was just like, oh, my god. And it was like, my god. You know? That's all that you can think of is oh, my god.

MARQUEZ: Dott Thompkins (ph) runs a dry cleaning business in the town at the gates of Camp Pendleton. Oceanside, California is a town of dry cleaners and barbershops. It's a military town.

I am a military brat. I was born and raised here in Oceanside. I have never moved away.

MARQUEZ: For 37 years, this military brat has been cleaning, sewing, and caring for the uniforms of Marines. These days she has lots of uniforms that never get picked up.

This one right here is from March 6 of last year. April 10, April 5.

MARQUEZ: Almost a year and several uniforms haven't been claimed. And that's just for the last names beginning with "B." If you went through...

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The whole rack, there would probably be a good 75 orders maybe.

MARQUEZ: Waiting?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Waiting, yes. It's been here a year.

MARQUEZ: When no one has claimed the uniform in a year, she tries to call the owner. But oftentimes, there is no answer or just a disconnected phone. The one thing she won't do is look at the list of the dead and try to match it up with the uniforms left behind.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I don't want to think about it. I mean, the published in the paper, the deaths from Pendleton and it's like I could go to the rack if I wanted to but I don't want to.

MARQUEZ: At ABC Laundry, like many places in Oceanside, the politics are clearly stated. But when the laundry gets picked up, it is still a bit of a mystery.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Well, it feels like you just hope for the best for these guys. You hope that they're OK. That's how -- I hope this person didn't die, you know? That's how, you know, I hope they just get transferred. There's a lot of hope.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

MARQUEZ: It's a lot of hope both here at Camp Pendleton and at Marine bases around the world. The PIO, the public information office here at Camp Pendleton, says of the 400 marines killed in Iraq, 167 approximately have been from Camp Pendleton. They hope to inform the family of the recent dead in the next 24 hours and once that is done, they will release the names of their home towns and their units. Back to you.

COLLINS: So tough for everybody. All right, Miguel Marquez, thanks for that. The somber ceremonies have already begun in Poland where tomorrow, Vice President Dick Cheney and dozens of world leaders will mark the 60th anniversary of the liberation of the largest and most notorious Nazi concentration camp Auschwitz. On January 27, 1945, Russian soldiers freed the few that lived. The sick and starving survivors of Hitler's final solution. Hitler and his abiding followers wanted to kill every Jew in Europe, and they nearly succeeded, more than six million died. At least 1.1 million people, mostly Jews died at Auschwitz.

This photograph shows the victims arriving by cattle train. After being separated and stripped of their clothes, most of the prisoners were marched into rooms like this one, where they were ordered to take showers. But it is here where they were gassed to death. This is Auschwitz today. A crumbling, decaying physical memorial to all of the victims of the genocide. And tomorrow, when the world pauses to remember what happened we will be reminded of this, never forget, never again.

Of the survivors of Auschwitz, only several hundred were children. One is connected to the CNN family. Allan Chernoff has the story now of his mother, an Auschwitz survivor.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

ALLAN CHERNOFF, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Among the few child survivors of Auschwitz, an 11-year-old girl, Rina Margulis (ph), my mother. She and her mother Hinda (ph) had endured half a year at the death factory. Each day pushed deeper into the hell on earth that was Auschwitz. Eleven years ago, our family visited the camp in Poland. My mother described the last time she saw her 9-year-old brother Romek (ph), the day he was selected to be gassed.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And he took this piece of bread and threw it here over the fence to my mother and said, you take it. I won't need it anymore. And then he started crying and ran away into the barrack.

CHERNOFF: Shipped in a cattle car from the slave labor camp legion my mom was tattooed upon arrival Prisoner A15647. Her bed was a wooden slat.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It was just filled in straight through. Ten people.

CHERNOFF: Starvation was the daily diet. Chicory-flavored water masquerading as coffee. A sliver of bread and a bowl of watery soup. Sometimes there was a chance to swipe or organize food as the prisoners said. 60 years later, my mother remembers grabbing a cabbage near the kitchen.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I looked left and I looked right and no one was around. And I took this cabbage as a birthday gift to my aunt Eva, and this was the best gift I could ever give her. It was worth more than any jewelry or gold or anything.

CHERNOFF: My mother got by as only a child could. Using her imagination.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I always told my mother and my aunt what I am going to eat after the war. This was the big pleasure. I always said, I'm going to have for breakfast, 20 loaves of bread and five dozen eggs.

CHERNOFF: Yet every day she was surrounded by death. The crematory of smokestacks towered over the camp, blown up by the Nazis before liberators arrived.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Fire was coming out all of the time, day and night, and this was crematory where people were burned. And the smell of the flesh was all over the camp.

CHERNOFF: Were you afraid of dying?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I didn't think of death. I always figured out this is my last chance, I'm going to tell them, let's put up an uprising and not go in there and let's resist. And this was my plan.

CHERNOFF: By sheer luck, her selection never came. She and her mother survived. Her father, Abraham (ph) was killed trying to escape a death march.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I don't know how I survived it, it's a pure chance. Not that I was in any way different from everybody else.

CHERNOFF: My mother Rina Margulis Chernoff (ph) witness and survivor, survivor of some of the darkest days on this planet, witness to man's inhumanity against man. Allan Chernoff, CNN, New York.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

COLLINS: Hard to believe, but despite stories like Rina Margulis Chernoff, there are some who out of hatred and ignorance, turn their backs on the truth. They are revisionist, they insist it never happened. Which is why teachers are making sure the young know it did. CNN's Jim Bittermann now has this report from France.

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JIM BITTERMANN, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): On a gray day, French high school kids learning about a dark heritage. Several times a week, young people are brought here to the drab suburbs of Paris to visit (UNINTELLIGIBLE) the World War II transit camp where 70,000 French Jews rounded up by their own countrymen were stuffed into railroad box cars and shipped off to the Nazi concentration camps.

ESTELLE MONDINE, HIGH SCHOOL TEACHER: It's good for them to come to places and to see real people, to realize that it just happened. That it was the truth.

BITTERMANN: A thousand people were in Jules Van Zan's (ph) train load. He's is one of only eight who survived.

If the young visitors ask, he shows them the identification number the Nazis tattooed on his arm. Just part of his living history lesson that he believes is essential to properly educating a new generation of Europeans.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That's what I told them. (UNINTELLIGIBLE) something what was happened to me and that is more important and only that what you can find in books.

BITTERMANN: In a world where a British prince appears to think parading in a Nazi uniform is good fun...

And a former French presidential candidate says the war years in France really were not all that bad.

The teachers who lead the field trips to (UNINTELLIGIBLE) worry how well their students will handle history when they no longer have the advantage of hearing from eyewitnesses. That need to solidify the truth in European minds is behind a lot of activity as the 60th anniversary of the liberation of Auschwitz draws near. The Holocaust memorial here in the Jewish quarter of Paris has been refurbished and expanded.

(voice-over): To that end, many say a new German film portraying the last days of Hitler's regime shows just how easy it is for large evils to grow from small crimes.

As commemorations began here for the Auschwitz remembrance the may are on of Paris invited several hundreds death camp survivors to a concert at city hall.

Still, 60 years after they were spared from death in the concentration camps, the former deportees remain the most powerful weapon against those who tried to forget or distort the past. But their dramatic and living history cannot go on much longer. Jim Bittermann, CNN, Paris.

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COLLINS: 360 next, worshiping Hitler and the Nazis through hate rock. Could your kids get hooked on the music?

Plus, another Nazi horror revisited. Twins who face the angel of death and his gruesome experiments. Many died, but tonight you'll hear from a survivor.

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COLLINS: 60 years after the liberation of Auschwitz, the lessons of what happened at the death camp are being twisted by those who believe in the Nazi ideology of racial purity and the master race. And what makes this all the more chilling is those believers include young Americans who are using music to spread their message.

CNN's Rick Sanchez reports, but first now, a warning, the language could be offensive to some of you.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE) RICK SANCHEZ, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): This is Minnesota, 2005, not Munich in the 1930s. It's a new generation, an American generation, worshipping the ideals of a Nazis to a heavy metal beat.

It's hate, Hitler, and heavy metal, as the man behind the music proudly looks on.

BYRON CALVERT, PANZERFAUST RECORDS: Do you know how many labels I could start with a quarter of a million?

SANCHEZ: From his home in South St. Paul, Minnesota, ex-con Byron Calvert, real name Brian Accini (ph) has made it his mission and business to market hate rock. He calls it white power music.

CALVERT: What we sell is survival, dude, survival and that (EXPLETIVE DELETED) sells it itself.

SANCHEZ: And what Calvert sell, he seems to believe. It's in his music, in his books and on his body.

(on camera): Are you a devotee of Adolf Hitler?

CALVERT: There's a lot of things that he did that was spot on.

SANCHEZ (voice-over): The label is called Panzerfaust in tribute to the Nazis. The lyrics glorify violence against Blacks, against Hispanics but with a special emphasis on Jews.

(on camera): Let me read to you some of the songs. Now the Jew must pay the bill, now it is crystal night once more. Your race once again burns. It sounds pretty violent, sounds pretty hateful.

CALVERT: Hey, hey, hey, hey nobody ever said -- I'm not trying to convince everybody that I'm a pussy, we're in the a bunch of pacifists. There are there angry white kids writing this music, there are angry white kids listening to it, there is no doubt about that.

SANCHEZ (voice-over): Kids that Calvert wants to convert with his music and his Web site.

(on camera): Let me read something from your Web site. We don't entertain racist kids, you write, we create them.

CALVERT: Now I obviously -- see, you asked me that like, but aren't you concerned that you will make these kids be -- I am a racist. I obviously think that the world would think there is a better place if there was a lot more racist people.

SANCHEZ: This is where the mood goes from someone's belief no matter how hateful, to something most would consider much worse. In fact, they call it Project School Yard. They are targeting kids, maybe your kids, by trying to get them hooked on their music.

(voice-over): Students across the country, Calvert says, tens of thousands of them are receiving this CD with music from bands like, Hate Machine and the Bully Boys. CALVERT: It's an outreach effort. And it's not really any different than any other company that gives samples of its product to people. For example, if I have a coffee company and I want to give people samples of my coffee, I'm not going to give it to my own customers.

SANCHEZ: Coffee doesn't come with a message of hate.

CALVERT: Who gives a damn. The purpose of that example was -- as a marketing example.

SANCHEZ: The principle of this West Virginian town gave a damn when 2 people tried to distribute the CDs to his students.

JEFF NELSON, MADISON MIDDLE SCHOOL: We certainly don't appreciate unwanted people coming and trying take advantage of 10 to 14-year-olds with hateful propaganda.

SANCHEZ: But that's exactly what Calvert and Panderfaust are trying to do. And when the principal tried to stop it, he got this phone call from Calvert, who then recorded it and put it on his Web site.

CALVERT: I suggest you mind your own (EXPLETIVE DELETED) business and stop stealing CDs from your students but get the (EXPLETIVE DELETED) out of you.

SANCHEZ: Byron, they're children. Would you like it if your kid went to a school and somebody came and gave him this message.

CALVERT: If I have to make room for homosexuals and hot and tots and name it, you're going to make room for white kids with rebel flags and white power CDs. And if you don't like it, tough (EXPLETIVE DELETED).

SANCHEZ: For all of the music CDs that Project School Yard has distributed, it's not clear how many new Nazis Panzerfaust has created. Meantime, Calvert is now in a business dispute with his partner.

(on camera): You're having problems with Panzerfaust in particular. Will that mean the demise of the movement?

CALVERT: Of course not. No. . One monkey don't stop no show.

SANCHEZ (voice-over): The monkey slur is aimed at Calvert's partner. Calvert now wants to cut ties with him, because he's part Hispanic, not pure enough, nor white enough for him and the other angry young men who gather in basements like this one surrounded by the sounds and the images of a hateful time. A time they want to bring back. Rick Sanchez, CNN, in South St. Paul, Minnesota.

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COLLINS: I want to take a second now and find out what is coming up on the top of the hour on PAULA ZAHN NOW. Hi, Paula. PAULA ZAHN, CNN ANCHOR: Hi, Heidi. Thanks so much. Tonight, a very personal and emotional look at the fight for Iraq through the eyes of the men, a Marine platoon Pale Rider 3. We're going to follow them through the first stages of the war, to the bloody chaos of Fallujah and then as they face the terror of insurgent attacks.

This is a platoon that took enormous losses. And if you want to know what our American forces are made of, all you have to do is meet these men and hear their stories, which you'll hear in just about 10 minutes from now.

COLLINS: I can only imagine.

All right. Paula, we'll be watching, thank you.

ZAHN: Thank you.

COLLINS: 360 next now, Josef Mengele, he performed twisted medical experiments in Nazi death camps. Meet one woman who survived his evil.

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COLLINS: He was trained to save lives, but Dr. Joseph Mangele choose to take lives and take he did. As Auschwitz's "angel of death" Mangele's genocidal crimes were barbaric by any measure. But it was his experiments on children, twins in particular, that may have been the most horrific. Few of them survived Mangele's evil. Here again, Dr. Sanjay Gupta now with the story of one woman who did.

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EVA KOR, HOLOCAUST SURVIVOR: (UNINTELLIGIBLE) was running up and down, yelling in German, "twins," (SPEAKING IN GERMAN). He approached us and demanded know if we were twins.

DR. SANJAY GUPTA, CNN MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Sixty years later, as she recounts her story, 70-year-old Eva Moses Kor say it's as if she's back at Auschwitz -- the pain and horror still very real.

KOR: (UNINTELLIGIBLE) came pulled my mother in one direction, we were pulled in the opposite direction. We were crying. She was crying. I remember looking back and see my mother's arms stretched out and disparaged as she was pulled away. I never even got say good- bye to her, because this was the last time we saw her.

GUPTA: As a routine, this man, Dr. Josof Mangele, called "The Angel of Death," decided with the flick of his hand, to either send people to prison camp or to death in the gas chamber. And by mere virtue of being twins, Eva and Miriam's (ph) lives would be saved.

KOR: They said, well, you might have noticed that we are all twins and we are used in experiments on -- by Dr. Mangele. As long as Dr. Mangele wanted us alive, no one dared harm us. We were Mangele's kids. GUPTA: Mangele and fellow doctors performed gruesome genetic experiments on thousands of twins.

KOR: Our clothes would be removed, and we would sit naked on benches for six to eight hours, most of the day. Every part of my body was measured, compared to charts, and compared between each twin. Other experiments were much more dangerous. They would tie both of my arms, take a lot of blood from my left arm -- on occasion, enough blood until I fainted. And that was they wanted to know how much a blood a person could lose and still live. At the same time, I was given a minimum of five injections into my right arm. We do not know what the substance were, but the rumors were that they were germs and chemicals.

GUPTA: Under Mangele's watch, she's says, other twins were sterilized, had limbs amputated and were castrated without anesthesia. Mangele's aim with the experiments...

KOR: Mangele wanted to play God. We have to understand, he didn't just do these expedients because he was crazy. He wanted to play blue-eyed blonds in multiple numbers.

GUPTA: The experiments did not contribute to greater scientific progress. Most historians regard his treatment of the twins merely as an exercise in cruelty.

KOR: These windows at night will have the lights.

GUPTA: Decade after Auschwitz' liberation, Eva Kor is still healing. Part of that by erecting museum called, CANDLES, which stand for Children of Auschwitz Nazi Deadly Lab Experiments Survivors. Kor says she was forced to rebuild it after anti-Semites burned it down in 2003.

KOR: It was a tremendous pain and burden for me to drive by every day and see this building stand here in ruins.

GUPTA: Remarkably, Kor says she's forgiven the arsonist and forgiven Mangele for the experiments, for a lifetime of ill health. She also forgives Mangele for her sister's death by a rare form of cancer which she believes is the results of the experiments.

KOR: Here I was, that nobody, that guinea pig that had no value in Mangele's eyes, yet, I had the power to forgive the God of Auschwitz. Forgiveness is nothing more and nothing less, but an act of self-healing -- an act of reclaiming your life.

GUPTA: Dr. Sanjay Gupta, CNN, Atlanta.

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COLLINS: 360 next now, Jeanne Moos ends the show on a bit of a lighter note. Keep it here.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK) COLLINS: Eighty-four-year-old Alfred Tibor has seen a great many things in his life, but what happened Monday caught him totally by surprise.

CNN's Jeanne Moos reports on his unusual encounter with a deer.

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JEANNE MOOS, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Imagine this was your window and a deer just jumped through it.

CALLER: A deer? Oh (EXPLETIVE DELETED). There's a deer in the house.

OPERATOR: There's a deer in the house?

CALLER: Yes, Ma'am.

MOOS: A 300-pound deer crashed into the house of Alfred Tibor, the famous sculpture and Holocaust survivor who lives in a wooded area in Columbus, Ohio. Tibor heard glass break, went and tried to lead the deer out and ended up pinned by the panicking buck. This was no Bambi. Tibor's wife hit the deer with a broom, and ran outside and flagged down this taxi driver.

RANDALL RADER, WITNESSED ATTACK: She was saying, her husband was inside and there was somebody on top of him.

CALLER: And the one guy is bleeding very bad.

OPERATOR: Can he get out of the house?

CALLER: Yes. (UNINTELLIGIBLE) but buck's got him pinned.

ALFRED TIBOR, DEER ATTACKED HIM: If he would touch me here and I would be dead.

MOOS: When the taxi driver entered the house, he startled the deer and it pulled away from Tibor, the police then moved furniture to corral the buck, but couldn't get it to leave.

SGT. ANTHONY WILSON, COLUMBUS, OHIO POLICE DEPT.: I could see that it had significant injuries to its front and hind legs. At that point, we made a decision to put down.

MOOS: Sergeant Anthony Wilson shot the deer. Tibor was hospitalized, but is in very good condition.

(on camera): So what makes a deer jump through a window? Wildlife experts say it's probably not because the deer wanted to come inside, but rather that the buck mistook the reflection in the glass for opened space. At one point police say, the deer tried to exit through the bathroom mirror. As for Alfred Tibor, he feels bad that the deer ended up dearly departed.

Jeanne Moos, CNN, New York. (END VIDEOTAPE)

COLLINS: Well, as the Iraq election draws near, we want to remind you that CNN will have special coverage beginning tomorrow and throughout the weekend. Tomorrow night, join Anderson and Christiane Amanpour from Baghdad, and Paula Zahn right here in New York for a look at the run-up to the vote and the sacrifices made by unsung American heroes who have made that vote possible.

That's 360 for tonight. Thanks for watch, everybody. I am Heidi Collins. CNN's prime time coverage continues now with Paula Zahn -- Paula.

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