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Iraq: What's Next?; 'The War Room'; Diagnosis Depression; Michael Mania

Aired February 01, 2005 - 05:30   ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.


CAROL COSTELLO, CNN ANCHOR: Good morning to you, welcome to the second half-hour of DAYBREAK. From the Time Warner Center in New York, I'm Carol Costello, along with Chad Myers.
"Now in the News."

Pop icon Michael Jackson returns to a California courtroom in seven hours for the second day of jury selection. Only one person was dismissed during the first day. The trial is expected to last up to six months.

Paul Shanley's attorneys are expected to only call one witness in the defrocked priest child molestation trial. The prosecution wrapped up its case yesterday. An expert in repressed memory is expected to testify when court resumes tomorrow or Thursday.

In the Himalayan Kingdom of Nepal, the king has fired the government and declared a state of emergency. Troops are patrolling the streets of the capital and phone lines there have been cut.

And look now because it may be a really long time before you ever see this again. A high school guard hurls the ball 92 feet to make a basket with six tenths of a second left in overtime. And, yes, that gave his team the game. We're going to have more on this later -- Chad.

CHAD MYERS, CNN METEOROLOGIST: And guess what -- Carol?

COSTELLO: What?

MYERS: That was a three pointer. Of course that was way beyond the three-point line.

Good morning. Good morning, everybody.

(WEATHER REPORT)

Carol, back to you.

COSTELLO: All right, thank you -- Chad.

MYERS: You're welcome.

COSTELLO: The curfew imposed in Iraq for national elections has now been lifted. That comes as the final vote tally is taking place today. But as one experienced former government official says, this is only the beginning.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

MADELEINE ALBRIGHT, FORMER SECRETARY OF STATE: It is a very important event that happened, but it's only the beginning. And democracy is not an event, democracy is a process. And we are at the beginning of a long process here to make sure that the Iraqi people really have the government that they want and that the country stays together.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

COSTELLO: Let's get more on the elections and what's going on right now in Iraq from our Jeff Koinange, he's in Baghdad.

Hello -- Jeff.

JEFF KOINANGE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Hello there, Carol.

And you're right, you just mentioned the lockdown issue. Yes, Baghdad slowly coming back to life 48 hours after their historic day. People trickling out of their homes. As you know, this is the first day that vehicles will be allowed into the streets. So there is some kind of traffic flow going on. Baghdad airport has been reopened. Borders, too, have been reopened. So some kind of normalcy returning to a place that is far from normal.

A short while ago, the outgoing President Ghazi al-Yawar, of course you know he belongs to the Sunni minority ethnic group here, coming out in his first post election press conference talking about unity. Saying Iraqis both are winners coming out of elections, there are no losers from election day. And also trying to bring people together.

And asked the most important questions on just about every Iraqi's lips, when will U.S. troops be withdrawing? This is what he had to say.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

GHAZI Al-YAWAR, IRAQI INTERIM PRESIDENT (through translator): There is a timetable which has not been put to paper yet. This depends on the speed of building the Iraqi security forces and armed forces. This is not a difficult task. Secondly, we should protect our borders and accomplish security across the country.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

KOINANGE: And, Carol, pressed further, he said it would be impossible to ask U.S. troops to withdrawal at this time, what he called chaos and a vacuum in power. We asked an official of the U.S. Embassy here in Baghdad to comment on it, and he said -- in his words -- "the subject has not been approached through official channels." But if you had noticed on election day, Carol, there was a great deal of cooperation and what you would see, what you would call mutual trust between Iraqi forces and U.S. troops. So it looks like this is the beginning of a really solid relationship.

A bit of violence to report across the country today, Carol. In the northern city of Arbil in Kurdistan, the guards of one top Kurdish political official, they noticed a bomb outside his house. They went to try to detonate it. It went off, killing both guards instantly.

Other than that, Carol, it seems 48 hours after the historic day, a country slowly getting back on its feet -- Carol.

COSTELLO: We hope so. Jeff Koinange, live in Baghdad this morning, thank you.

British investigators are trying to figure out what caused a military transport plane to crash near Baghdad, killing at least 10 people. It happened on Sunday. The chief of the British Air Staff says speculation that a missile downed the plane is not confirmed.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

SIR JOCK STIRRUP, BRITISH AIR CHIEF MARSHAL: But we have to find out the facts. We have set up an investigation to look into it. President of that investigation is on his way out to Iraq, and we will find out what happened. But until then, I have to say that speculation is not in the least bit helpful.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

COSTELLO: Video from the Al Jazeera television network is said to show the attack on the British C-130 and wreckage from the plane. CNN has not confirmed either the attack or the wreckage. But CNN military adviser Don Shepperd, General Don Shepperd that is, says while the missile may not be one used in the attack, the wreckage appears to be authentic.

Now this plane crash is another stark reminder that Iraq remains a dangerous place. And that's our focus as we enter "The War Room" this morning.

CNN's senior international editor David Clinch tells us what the Bush administration is doing to acknowledge those dangers both on the battlefield and off.

Good morning -- David.

DAVID CLINCH, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL EDITOR: Good morning, Carol.

And, yes, and British officials are literally combing through that wreckage to see if they can confirm whether or not that plane was shot down. But really, the plane went down and a number of British troops died. And of course we saw a helicopter crash in the last couple of weeks in which a number of U.S. Marines died, which, as far as we know, was an accident.

And really, when you think about it, these soldiers are dying, accident or combat zone. This is a big issue, which fades into the background sometimes, no matter whether there are elections, hand overs of power. No matter which way you look at it, an average of two to three coalition troops are dying every day of this war.

And the Bush administration very conscious of this, taking an approach not only on the political side because of the elections having happened and wanting to reconfigure U.S. troops the way in which those U.S. troops are used in Iraq to perhaps move them to the background and train Iraqi troops.

But also something we're going to be covering today here in the U.S., a strong push from both Democrats and Republicans in Washington to increase what's called the death benefit for any family that loses a family member in Iraq. For the last few years, that benefit has been set at around $12,000.

A push in Washington over the next few days, and we hear that President Bush may even address this in his State of the Union, to lift that significantly to $100,000 or more. And also enhance the life insurance benefits that families would get if their family members are killed in Iraq. And again, accident or in combat.

This month or last month, January, was the third most deadly month for coalition troops, 123 or more killed in that month. So again, the events, elections, political, military, don't seem to really matter, the death toll seems to maintain itself. And the Bush administration, very conscious of that with troops going back on second and third rotations, wanting to do everything they can to help those families.

COSTELLO: Well it was pretty astounding it was that low, I mean $12,000. It just seems incredible to me that it was ever that low.

I want to go back to the crash for just a second, because why can't they just go out and look at the wreckage and determine what happened, whether it was an accident or whether it was shot down?

CLINCH: Well they are doing that. But as in any plane crash or accident or a shoot down, it does take time, and they want to be absolutely sure. Because the scary prospect, if in fact it was shot down by a missile, that the militants have these missiles, are using them and have actually worked out a way to shoot down these planes, which take very significant evasion action when they're flying and landing, is a very frightening prospect. These planes are used all over Iraq. And that's something that would perhaps require a change of planning and a change of transport on the ground, for not only British, but U.S. troops as well.

COSTELLO: David Clinch, live in Atlanta, thank you.

Still to come on DAYBREAK, more than a month after the earthquake and tsunamis hit south Asia, new pictures emerge, people pulling together to save lives. Also ahead, doctors known more for saving lives are taking their own. Dr. Sanjay Gupta looks at the reasons.

But first, here's a look at what else is making news this Tuesday morning.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

COSTELLO: We get new pictures into CNN all the time. And this morning, we got some new video in and we're going to show it to you. It's from the Banda Aceh region in Indonesia. Take a look at this, just incredible pictures.

You know this is, of course, after the tsunami hit. A resident was getting ready to take a marathon when the massive tsunami hit. In the meantime, officials say they just came across another 1,000 victims' bodies in Indonesia, bringing the overall death toll there to at least 154,000. Almost 128,000 people still missing in that country alone. It's been five weeks since the earthquake and the massive tidal waves hit.

Your news, money, weather and sports. It's 5:42 Eastern. Here's what's all new this morning.

Michael Jackson takes the legal stage again this morning. He'll be back in a California courtroom for day two of jury selection in his child molestation case.

A man who ran a Georgia crematory gets 12 years in prison for dumping more than 300 bodies around his property. At his sentencing, Ray Brent Marsh did not say why he did it, but he did say he was sorry.

In money news, a little more breathing room for Social Security. Analysts at the Congressional Budget Office now say the system will start losing money in 2020. That's two years later than they first estimated.

In culture, Keanu Reeves will have people walking all over him, but he doesn't mind. The star of the "Matrix" movies has gotten a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame.

In sports, the Philadelphia 76ers beat the Indiana Pacers 89-88 to move into first place in the Atlantic division. Allen Iverson returned from a three-game absence and he scored 27 points.

To the Forecast Center and -- Chad.

MYERS: And good morning, Carol.

(WEATHER REPORT)

Carol.

COSTELLO: Thank you, Chad.

Those are the latest headlines for you this morning.

There he was wearing white and strolling under his trademark umbrella, but it was only Michael Jackson's fans reigning down affection. We'll take a look at them.

From New York, this is DAYBREAK for a Tuesday.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

COSTELLO: In "Health Headlines" for you this morning, a new test may be able to tell us sooner when a person is likely to get Alzheimer's. Researchers say it's as much as a million times more sensitive than other tests out there. Identifying the disease earlier could help with therapies for victims.

You can add X-rays to the official list of suspected cancer- causing agents. The list was updated by a government agency. Along with X-rays, other cancer causers are viruses, compounds found in grilled meats, chemicals in textile dyes, paint and ink. Doesn't that make you feel good this morning?

Also more this morning on obesity. Researchers in California say they found a gene in mice that may promote obesity. The gene's effects on a person's blood sugar levels and insulin may help with new therapies for diabetics.

Almost all of us have heard the saying physician heal thyself, but those words have little meaning when it comes to depression.

CNN's Dr. Sanjay Gupta takes a look at why suicide keeps claiming some of the best and brightest physicians.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

DR. SANJAY GUPTA, CNN SENIOR MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Around the holidays last year, I sat down with one of the best-known pediatric heart surgeons in the country. Seemingly happy, confident and successful, he was the guy who saved lives where other doctors turned away.

DR. JONATHON DRUMMOND-WEBB, PEDIATRIC CARDIAC SURGEON: Tell the parents, I'm going to do the best I can for their child. I've got to find an option. We're backed up against a wall. I mean, it's, you know, it's a cliche, you're between a rock and a hard place, but you've got to find a way out for this kid. You can't throw up your hands and walk away from it.

GUPTA: But Dr. Jonathon Drummond-Webb did throw up his hands and walk away. CNN aired the story on December 23. Three days later, I was horrified to learn that he had written a note to his wife and then took enough pills to stop his own heart forever. He died. It was the day after Christmas.

DR. MARYANNE CHRISANT, FRIEND AND COLLEAGUE: I know that Jonathon struggled with some demons, but I never knew that he was depressed to the extent that he was. He was very upbeat. He was excited about the CNN show. There was a lot of future talk and present talk, and it was just a normal, very upbeat conversation. And there wasn't a hint.

GUPTA: Now, there usually aren't any clues, especially with doctors.

DR. HERBERT HENDIN, AMERICAN FOUNDATION FOR SUICIDE PREVENTION: It's remarkable how physicians can function at work, containing everything, and hiding their depression.

GUPTA: Dr. Herbert Hendin is a psychiatrist at the American Foundation for Suicide Prevention, a group seeking greater awareness of depression, especially in the medical community.

HENDIN: There is no evidence that they necessarily have more depression than other people, but they certainly don't seek help for it with any significant degree.

GUPTA: Probably because of simple things, like not enough time, or worries that seeking help might affect a license, or insurance coverage. But it may also have to do with the stigma that still chases people with depression, especially people who are responsible for the lives of others.

MICHAEL RUHLMAN, AUTHOR, "WALK ON WATER": A person like that, a person who operates on babies' hearts, has to be in control all the time, has to be in charge.

HENDIN: But they don't see themselves the way the outside world would judge them objectively, and they are always focused on what they think are their inadequacies, their failures.

GUPTA: Despite the countless lives Dr. Drummond-Webb had helped, even one failure could counteract all of that.

CHRISANT: When a patient died, that's when I would see him very depressed and very angry at himself. If only he had done X, Y or Z, or had been there to do X, Y or Z.

GUPTA: We may never know for sure why Jonathon Drummond-Webb decided to end his own life, but we can say for certain that many patients will feel the loss.

DRUMMOND-WEBB: I just really try and show compassion, and just try and be as nonjudgmental towards everything that I can, and respect everybody's right to a happy existence and to happiness. So I don't pray for guidance. I mean, I'm just trying to do the best that I possibly can all the time.

GUPTA: Dr. Sanjay Gupta, CNN, Atlanta.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

COSTELLO: And we'll be right back.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK) COSTELLO: Chad, before we get to "Web Clicks," I'd like to solicit more e-mails from our viewers this morning. DAYBREAK@CNN.com. We're asking the question, would you like to serve on the Michael Jackson jury?

MYERS: Right.

COSTELLO: You know the trial is going to last six months. It's going to be rather strange and sad all at the same time. And the thing we were amazed at is all of these jurors that are being interviewed, perspective jurors I should say that are being interviewed,...

MYERS: Yes. Sure.

COSTELLO: ... like 50 percent of them said yes, I'll stay six months, no problem. And that's unusual.

MYERS: It is, but 138 asked to be excused out of the 300. I thought that was a high number. And only one so far has actually been excused, an eight-month pregnant young lady, so.

COSTELLO: For obvious reasons.

MYERS: Of course.

COSTELLO: But, actually, that's not a high number,...

MYERS: No?

COSTELLO: ... because most people do not want to serve on juries.

MYERS: Well of course.

COSTELLO: But 50 percent want to serve on this one. So we were wondering about our viewers, would you like to serve on a Michael Jackson jury for up to six months, a high-profile jury? DAYBREAK@CNN.com. That's DAYBREAK...

MYERS: I have some answers here already.

COSTELLO: You do?

MYERS: Yes.

COSTELLO: OK, well hold off, because we have this great Jeanne Moos package now.

MYERS: OK.

COSTELLO: You know her packages are always great.

Everywhere Michael Jackson goes, he draws a crowd. His child molestation trial is no exception. Hordes of screaming fans gathered outside the Santa Barbara courtroom trying to get a glimpse of the pop icon.

CNN's Jeanne Moos is on the fan beat.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

JEANNE MOOS, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): An umbrella, but no rain. The forecast is for Michael Jackson to be showered with affection.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We love you!

MOOS: Several hundred fans showed up...

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Give me an I!

CROWD: I!

MOOS: ... spelling things like "innocent." And when Michael's defense attorney appeared, it sounded more like a football game than a molestation trial.

CROWD: Let's go defense. Let's go defense.

MOOS: A few were selling T-shirts or themselves. An Australian, who calls himself "Future Man" was pushing his own CD.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's a good opportunity, world's media.

MOOS: Silver seemed to be big. The author of a book coming out called "Starstruck" spent days with Michael Jackson fans and says there's a core group of well-educated European women who follow him everywhere and think of him as a spiritual humanitarian.

MICHAEL JOSEPH GROSS, AUTHOR, "STARSTRUCK": Michael Jackson fans view their devotion to him as a kind of moral duty. Their interest in him is also almost completely non-sexual.

MOOS: Peace signs were popular.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Peace to you.

MOOS: And Michael flashed back. Peace reigned except among sign holders. Amid all the pro-Jackson messages, "we support the survivor" popped up. "Dear God, please give Michael justice" tried to eclipse "we support the survivor," but it was this sign that prompted a scuffle.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Children, you can say, those are my private parts!

MOOS: The sign belongs to an anti-pedophile organization. When one of Michael's supporters allegedly tried to take away the sign, he was arrested. That and a bicycle mishap involving an officer were the only incidents. The favorite fan of photographers was this Michael Jackson look alike.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Representing Michael, so to be here today to represent him, I'm very proud to be here.

MOOS: Michael impersonators like this one in Germany could end up out of work if Jackson ends up in handcuffs instead of gloves.

Jeanne Moos, CNN, New York.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

COSTELLO: All right, it's time to review our e-mails right now. The question was would you like to serve on a Michael Jackson jury for up to six months or some other high-profile case? DAYBREAK@CNN.com.

So take it away -- Chad.

MYERS: From Jess (ph) in Kapalua, Hawaii, which may be paradise if you've never been there, you couldn't pay me enough to be in the same room with Michael Jackson for that long was one.

Enough is enough, says JenJen (ph). Six months of other trials and all of this now, oh jeez, just way, way too much. But she said she would be on the jury if it depends how much it pays.

COSTELLO: It doesn't pay very much.

MYERS: No, it's like $15 a day.

COSTELLO: Yes.

MYERS: Yes, no, it doesn't pay.

COSTELLO: I actually like this one from...

MYERS: Go ahead.

COSTELLO: ... Caitlin (ph) from Skokie, Illinois. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

MYERS: And that's it.

COSTELLO: That's it.

MYERS: That's it. I read that one. It was pretty quick.

And another one, and Fred (ph) says I think it would be very interesting to serve on the jury, but why months? This should take two weeks. Heck, Perry Mason could get it done in 60 minutes every day of the week.

COSTELLO: Exactly. It's hard to understand, isn't it?

Let's see, this is from Chris (ph) in Wisconsin, sure, about as much as an ice pick jabbed into my head.

So I guess that's a very succinct answer as well.

Thank you for your comments. MYERS: All right.

COSTELLO: The next hour of DAYBREAK starts right now.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

COSTELLO: Straight-ahead on DAYBREAK, this is how it all started. Some dramatic new pictures to show you from the first moments of the tsunami disaster.

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Aired February 1, 2005 - 05:30   ET
THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.
CAROL COSTELLO, CNN ANCHOR: Good morning to you, welcome to the second half-hour of DAYBREAK. From the Time Warner Center in New York, I'm Carol Costello, along with Chad Myers.
"Now in the News."

Pop icon Michael Jackson returns to a California courtroom in seven hours for the second day of jury selection. Only one person was dismissed during the first day. The trial is expected to last up to six months.

Paul Shanley's attorneys are expected to only call one witness in the defrocked priest child molestation trial. The prosecution wrapped up its case yesterday. An expert in repressed memory is expected to testify when court resumes tomorrow or Thursday.

In the Himalayan Kingdom of Nepal, the king has fired the government and declared a state of emergency. Troops are patrolling the streets of the capital and phone lines there have been cut.

And look now because it may be a really long time before you ever see this again. A high school guard hurls the ball 92 feet to make a basket with six tenths of a second left in overtime. And, yes, that gave his team the game. We're going to have more on this later -- Chad.

CHAD MYERS, CNN METEOROLOGIST: And guess what -- Carol?

COSTELLO: What?

MYERS: That was a three pointer. Of course that was way beyond the three-point line.

Good morning. Good morning, everybody.

(WEATHER REPORT)

Carol, back to you.

COSTELLO: All right, thank you -- Chad.

MYERS: You're welcome.

COSTELLO: The curfew imposed in Iraq for national elections has now been lifted. That comes as the final vote tally is taking place today. But as one experienced former government official says, this is only the beginning.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

MADELEINE ALBRIGHT, FORMER SECRETARY OF STATE: It is a very important event that happened, but it's only the beginning. And democracy is not an event, democracy is a process. And we are at the beginning of a long process here to make sure that the Iraqi people really have the government that they want and that the country stays together.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

COSTELLO: Let's get more on the elections and what's going on right now in Iraq from our Jeff Koinange, he's in Baghdad.

Hello -- Jeff.

JEFF KOINANGE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Hello there, Carol.

And you're right, you just mentioned the lockdown issue. Yes, Baghdad slowly coming back to life 48 hours after their historic day. People trickling out of their homes. As you know, this is the first day that vehicles will be allowed into the streets. So there is some kind of traffic flow going on. Baghdad airport has been reopened. Borders, too, have been reopened. So some kind of normalcy returning to a place that is far from normal.

A short while ago, the outgoing President Ghazi al-Yawar, of course you know he belongs to the Sunni minority ethnic group here, coming out in his first post election press conference talking about unity. Saying Iraqis both are winners coming out of elections, there are no losers from election day. And also trying to bring people together.

And asked the most important questions on just about every Iraqi's lips, when will U.S. troops be withdrawing? This is what he had to say.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

GHAZI Al-YAWAR, IRAQI INTERIM PRESIDENT (through translator): There is a timetable which has not been put to paper yet. This depends on the speed of building the Iraqi security forces and armed forces. This is not a difficult task. Secondly, we should protect our borders and accomplish security across the country.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

KOINANGE: And, Carol, pressed further, he said it would be impossible to ask U.S. troops to withdrawal at this time, what he called chaos and a vacuum in power. We asked an official of the U.S. Embassy here in Baghdad to comment on it, and he said -- in his words -- "the subject has not been approached through official channels." But if you had noticed on election day, Carol, there was a great deal of cooperation and what you would see, what you would call mutual trust between Iraqi forces and U.S. troops. So it looks like this is the beginning of a really solid relationship.

A bit of violence to report across the country today, Carol. In the northern city of Arbil in Kurdistan, the guards of one top Kurdish political official, they noticed a bomb outside his house. They went to try to detonate it. It went off, killing both guards instantly.

Other than that, Carol, it seems 48 hours after the historic day, a country slowly getting back on its feet -- Carol.

COSTELLO: We hope so. Jeff Koinange, live in Baghdad this morning, thank you.

British investigators are trying to figure out what caused a military transport plane to crash near Baghdad, killing at least 10 people. It happened on Sunday. The chief of the British Air Staff says speculation that a missile downed the plane is not confirmed.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

SIR JOCK STIRRUP, BRITISH AIR CHIEF MARSHAL: But we have to find out the facts. We have set up an investigation to look into it. President of that investigation is on his way out to Iraq, and we will find out what happened. But until then, I have to say that speculation is not in the least bit helpful.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

COSTELLO: Video from the Al Jazeera television network is said to show the attack on the British C-130 and wreckage from the plane. CNN has not confirmed either the attack or the wreckage. But CNN military adviser Don Shepperd, General Don Shepperd that is, says while the missile may not be one used in the attack, the wreckage appears to be authentic.

Now this plane crash is another stark reminder that Iraq remains a dangerous place. And that's our focus as we enter "The War Room" this morning.

CNN's senior international editor David Clinch tells us what the Bush administration is doing to acknowledge those dangers both on the battlefield and off.

Good morning -- David.

DAVID CLINCH, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL EDITOR: Good morning, Carol.

And, yes, and British officials are literally combing through that wreckage to see if they can confirm whether or not that plane was shot down. But really, the plane went down and a number of British troops died. And of course we saw a helicopter crash in the last couple of weeks in which a number of U.S. Marines died, which, as far as we know, was an accident.

And really, when you think about it, these soldiers are dying, accident or combat zone. This is a big issue, which fades into the background sometimes, no matter whether there are elections, hand overs of power. No matter which way you look at it, an average of two to three coalition troops are dying every day of this war.

And the Bush administration very conscious of this, taking an approach not only on the political side because of the elections having happened and wanting to reconfigure U.S. troops the way in which those U.S. troops are used in Iraq to perhaps move them to the background and train Iraqi troops.

But also something we're going to be covering today here in the U.S., a strong push from both Democrats and Republicans in Washington to increase what's called the death benefit for any family that loses a family member in Iraq. For the last few years, that benefit has been set at around $12,000.

A push in Washington over the next few days, and we hear that President Bush may even address this in his State of the Union, to lift that significantly to $100,000 or more. And also enhance the life insurance benefits that families would get if their family members are killed in Iraq. And again, accident or in combat.

This month or last month, January, was the third most deadly month for coalition troops, 123 or more killed in that month. So again, the events, elections, political, military, don't seem to really matter, the death toll seems to maintain itself. And the Bush administration, very conscious of that with troops going back on second and third rotations, wanting to do everything they can to help those families.

COSTELLO: Well it was pretty astounding it was that low, I mean $12,000. It just seems incredible to me that it was ever that low.

I want to go back to the crash for just a second, because why can't they just go out and look at the wreckage and determine what happened, whether it was an accident or whether it was shot down?

CLINCH: Well they are doing that. But as in any plane crash or accident or a shoot down, it does take time, and they want to be absolutely sure. Because the scary prospect, if in fact it was shot down by a missile, that the militants have these missiles, are using them and have actually worked out a way to shoot down these planes, which take very significant evasion action when they're flying and landing, is a very frightening prospect. These planes are used all over Iraq. And that's something that would perhaps require a change of planning and a change of transport on the ground, for not only British, but U.S. troops as well.

COSTELLO: David Clinch, live in Atlanta, thank you.

Still to come on DAYBREAK, more than a month after the earthquake and tsunamis hit south Asia, new pictures emerge, people pulling together to save lives. Also ahead, doctors known more for saving lives are taking their own. Dr. Sanjay Gupta looks at the reasons.

But first, here's a look at what else is making news this Tuesday morning.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

COSTELLO: We get new pictures into CNN all the time. And this morning, we got some new video in and we're going to show it to you. It's from the Banda Aceh region in Indonesia. Take a look at this, just incredible pictures.

You know this is, of course, after the tsunami hit. A resident was getting ready to take a marathon when the massive tsunami hit. In the meantime, officials say they just came across another 1,000 victims' bodies in Indonesia, bringing the overall death toll there to at least 154,000. Almost 128,000 people still missing in that country alone. It's been five weeks since the earthquake and the massive tidal waves hit.

Your news, money, weather and sports. It's 5:42 Eastern. Here's what's all new this morning.

Michael Jackson takes the legal stage again this morning. He'll be back in a California courtroom for day two of jury selection in his child molestation case.

A man who ran a Georgia crematory gets 12 years in prison for dumping more than 300 bodies around his property. At his sentencing, Ray Brent Marsh did not say why he did it, but he did say he was sorry.

In money news, a little more breathing room for Social Security. Analysts at the Congressional Budget Office now say the system will start losing money in 2020. That's two years later than they first estimated.

In culture, Keanu Reeves will have people walking all over him, but he doesn't mind. The star of the "Matrix" movies has gotten a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame.

In sports, the Philadelphia 76ers beat the Indiana Pacers 89-88 to move into first place in the Atlantic division. Allen Iverson returned from a three-game absence and he scored 27 points.

To the Forecast Center and -- Chad.

MYERS: And good morning, Carol.

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Carol.

COSTELLO: Thank you, Chad.

Those are the latest headlines for you this morning.

There he was wearing white and strolling under his trademark umbrella, but it was only Michael Jackson's fans reigning down affection. We'll take a look at them.

From New York, this is DAYBREAK for a Tuesday.

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COSTELLO: In "Health Headlines" for you this morning, a new test may be able to tell us sooner when a person is likely to get Alzheimer's. Researchers say it's as much as a million times more sensitive than other tests out there. Identifying the disease earlier could help with therapies for victims.

You can add X-rays to the official list of suspected cancer- causing agents. The list was updated by a government agency. Along with X-rays, other cancer causers are viruses, compounds found in grilled meats, chemicals in textile dyes, paint and ink. Doesn't that make you feel good this morning?

Also more this morning on obesity. Researchers in California say they found a gene in mice that may promote obesity. The gene's effects on a person's blood sugar levels and insulin may help with new therapies for diabetics.

Almost all of us have heard the saying physician heal thyself, but those words have little meaning when it comes to depression.

CNN's Dr. Sanjay Gupta takes a look at why suicide keeps claiming some of the best and brightest physicians.

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DR. SANJAY GUPTA, CNN SENIOR MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Around the holidays last year, I sat down with one of the best-known pediatric heart surgeons in the country. Seemingly happy, confident and successful, he was the guy who saved lives where other doctors turned away.

DR. JONATHON DRUMMOND-WEBB, PEDIATRIC CARDIAC SURGEON: Tell the parents, I'm going to do the best I can for their child. I've got to find an option. We're backed up against a wall. I mean, it's, you know, it's a cliche, you're between a rock and a hard place, but you've got to find a way out for this kid. You can't throw up your hands and walk away from it.

GUPTA: But Dr. Jonathon Drummond-Webb did throw up his hands and walk away. CNN aired the story on December 23. Three days later, I was horrified to learn that he had written a note to his wife and then took enough pills to stop his own heart forever. He died. It was the day after Christmas.

DR. MARYANNE CHRISANT, FRIEND AND COLLEAGUE: I know that Jonathon struggled with some demons, but I never knew that he was depressed to the extent that he was. He was very upbeat. He was excited about the CNN show. There was a lot of future talk and present talk, and it was just a normal, very upbeat conversation. And there wasn't a hint.

GUPTA: Now, there usually aren't any clues, especially with doctors.

DR. HERBERT HENDIN, AMERICAN FOUNDATION FOR SUICIDE PREVENTION: It's remarkable how physicians can function at work, containing everything, and hiding their depression.

GUPTA: Dr. Herbert Hendin is a psychiatrist at the American Foundation for Suicide Prevention, a group seeking greater awareness of depression, especially in the medical community.

HENDIN: There is no evidence that they necessarily have more depression than other people, but they certainly don't seek help for it with any significant degree.

GUPTA: Probably because of simple things, like not enough time, or worries that seeking help might affect a license, or insurance coverage. But it may also have to do with the stigma that still chases people with depression, especially people who are responsible for the lives of others.

MICHAEL RUHLMAN, AUTHOR, "WALK ON WATER": A person like that, a person who operates on babies' hearts, has to be in control all the time, has to be in charge.

HENDIN: But they don't see themselves the way the outside world would judge them objectively, and they are always focused on what they think are their inadequacies, their failures.

GUPTA: Despite the countless lives Dr. Drummond-Webb had helped, even one failure could counteract all of that.

CHRISANT: When a patient died, that's when I would see him very depressed and very angry at himself. If only he had done X, Y or Z, or had been there to do X, Y or Z.

GUPTA: We may never know for sure why Jonathon Drummond-Webb decided to end his own life, but we can say for certain that many patients will feel the loss.

DRUMMOND-WEBB: I just really try and show compassion, and just try and be as nonjudgmental towards everything that I can, and respect everybody's right to a happy existence and to happiness. So I don't pray for guidance. I mean, I'm just trying to do the best that I possibly can all the time.

GUPTA: Dr. Sanjay Gupta, CNN, Atlanta.

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COSTELLO: And we'll be right back.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK) COSTELLO: Chad, before we get to "Web Clicks," I'd like to solicit more e-mails from our viewers this morning. DAYBREAK@CNN.com. We're asking the question, would you like to serve on the Michael Jackson jury?

MYERS: Right.

COSTELLO: You know the trial is going to last six months. It's going to be rather strange and sad all at the same time. And the thing we were amazed at is all of these jurors that are being interviewed, perspective jurors I should say that are being interviewed,...

MYERS: Yes. Sure.

COSTELLO: ... like 50 percent of them said yes, I'll stay six months, no problem. And that's unusual.

MYERS: It is, but 138 asked to be excused out of the 300. I thought that was a high number. And only one so far has actually been excused, an eight-month pregnant young lady, so.

COSTELLO: For obvious reasons.

MYERS: Of course.

COSTELLO: But, actually, that's not a high number,...

MYERS: No?

COSTELLO: ... because most people do not want to serve on juries.

MYERS: Well of course.

COSTELLO: But 50 percent want to serve on this one. So we were wondering about our viewers, would you like to serve on a Michael Jackson jury for up to six months, a high-profile jury? DAYBREAK@CNN.com. That's DAYBREAK...

MYERS: I have some answers here already.

COSTELLO: You do?

MYERS: Yes.

COSTELLO: OK, well hold off, because we have this great Jeanne Moos package now.

MYERS: OK.

COSTELLO: You know her packages are always great.

Everywhere Michael Jackson goes, he draws a crowd. His child molestation trial is no exception. Hordes of screaming fans gathered outside the Santa Barbara courtroom trying to get a glimpse of the pop icon.

CNN's Jeanne Moos is on the fan beat.

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JEANNE MOOS, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): An umbrella, but no rain. The forecast is for Michael Jackson to be showered with affection.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We love you!

MOOS: Several hundred fans showed up...

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Give me an I!

CROWD: I!

MOOS: ... spelling things like "innocent." And when Michael's defense attorney appeared, it sounded more like a football game than a molestation trial.

CROWD: Let's go defense. Let's go defense.

MOOS: A few were selling T-shirts or themselves. An Australian, who calls himself "Future Man" was pushing his own CD.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's a good opportunity, world's media.

MOOS: Silver seemed to be big. The author of a book coming out called "Starstruck" spent days with Michael Jackson fans and says there's a core group of well-educated European women who follow him everywhere and think of him as a spiritual humanitarian.

MICHAEL JOSEPH GROSS, AUTHOR, "STARSTRUCK": Michael Jackson fans view their devotion to him as a kind of moral duty. Their interest in him is also almost completely non-sexual.

MOOS: Peace signs were popular.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Peace to you.

MOOS: And Michael flashed back. Peace reigned except among sign holders. Amid all the pro-Jackson messages, "we support the survivor" popped up. "Dear God, please give Michael justice" tried to eclipse "we support the survivor," but it was this sign that prompted a scuffle.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Children, you can say, those are my private parts!

MOOS: The sign belongs to an anti-pedophile organization. When one of Michael's supporters allegedly tried to take away the sign, he was arrested. That and a bicycle mishap involving an officer were the only incidents. The favorite fan of photographers was this Michael Jackson look alike.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Representing Michael, so to be here today to represent him, I'm very proud to be here.

MOOS: Michael impersonators like this one in Germany could end up out of work if Jackson ends up in handcuffs instead of gloves.

Jeanne Moos, CNN, New York.

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COSTELLO: All right, it's time to review our e-mails right now. The question was would you like to serve on a Michael Jackson jury for up to six months or some other high-profile case? DAYBREAK@CNN.com.

So take it away -- Chad.

MYERS: From Jess (ph) in Kapalua, Hawaii, which may be paradise if you've never been there, you couldn't pay me enough to be in the same room with Michael Jackson for that long was one.

Enough is enough, says JenJen (ph). Six months of other trials and all of this now, oh jeez, just way, way too much. But she said she would be on the jury if it depends how much it pays.

COSTELLO: It doesn't pay very much.

MYERS: No, it's like $15 a day.

COSTELLO: Yes.

MYERS: Yes, no, it doesn't pay.

COSTELLO: I actually like this one from...

MYERS: Go ahead.

COSTELLO: ... Caitlin (ph) from Skokie, Illinois. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

MYERS: And that's it.

COSTELLO: That's it.

MYERS: That's it. I read that one. It was pretty quick.

And another one, and Fred (ph) says I think it would be very interesting to serve on the jury, but why months? This should take two weeks. Heck, Perry Mason could get it done in 60 minutes every day of the week.

COSTELLO: Exactly. It's hard to understand, isn't it?

Let's see, this is from Chris (ph) in Wisconsin, sure, about as much as an ice pick jabbed into my head.

So I guess that's a very succinct answer as well.

Thank you for your comments. MYERS: All right.

COSTELLO: The next hour of DAYBREAK starts right now.

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