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What Caused 12-Year-Old Boy To Kill Grandparents?; Female Teacher Accused of Statutory Rape; Family Secrets

Aired February 8, 2005 - 19:00   ET


ANDERSON COOPER, HOST: Good evening from New York. I'm Anderson Cooper.
The crime, murder. But what caused a 12-year-old boy to kill his grandparents?

360 starts now.

COOPER: A young man accused of a terrible crime, killing his grandparents. Did an antidepressant make him do it? We'll take you inside the courtroom for today's dramatic testimony.

A female teacher arrested, charged with statutory rape. Her crime, an on going sexual relationship with a then-13-year-old student. Tonight, the crime that has parents outraged and a community concerned.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We intend to prosecute it to the fullest extent possible...


COOPER: A family's dark secret. He thought his wife was the love of his life, but it turned out she had another husband.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I about died. I was still so much in love with her, I didn't want to believe it.


COOPER: Tonight, the hidden life of a bigamist.

And a new look at "Deep Throat," the movie that started a revolution.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I liked it. I wanted to see a dirty picture, and that's what I saw. I don't want somebody telling me I can't see a dirty picture.

(END VIDEO CLIP) COOPER: A new documentary raises new questions about the movie that pushed porn into the mainstream.

ANNOUNCER: Live from the CNN Broadcast Center in New York, this is ANDERSON COOPER 360.

COOPER: Good evening.

We begin tonight with a crime, and a question. Did a popular antidepressant drive a 12-year-old boy to murder?

No one doubts Christopher Pittman, who's now 15 years old, murdered his grandparents. He walked into their bedroom while they were sleeping, he aimed a pump-action rifle at their heads, and shot them to death.

That happened. What a South Carolina jury must decide, however, now is why. His lawyers say the prescription antidepressant Zoloft made him insane, unable to know right from wrong. The state, however, says the young defendant did know right from wrong, that he could have stopped himself from pulling that trigger, but he chose not to.

CNN medical correspondent Elizabeth Cohen is covering the trial.


ELIZABETH COHEN, CNN MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): His older sister called Christopher Pittman "my best friend" when they were growing up together in a single-parent home. She described Chris as a quiet, shy child.

DANIELLE PITTMAN FINCHUM, DEFENDANT'S SISTER: I used to call him Kissy Fur. I (UNINTELLIGIBLE) call him that because I don't (UNINTELLIGIBLE).

COHEN: But when Danielle saw her 12-year-old brother the weekend before he killed their grandparents, she said Chris was different.

FINCHUM: You'd be talking with him, and he'd be sitting there fidgeting with his hands the whole time. He was constantly up and down in that house. He was just crazy.

COHEN: His Aunt Mendy (ph) phoned that weekend and said Chris told her his medication made his skin crawl.

MELINDA RECTOR, DEFENDANT'S AUNT: He says, It's like I'm burning under my skin, and I can't put it out.

COHEN: That medication was the antidepressant Zoloft. The Food and Drug Administration says restlessness and agitation are possible side effects among teens.

This defense psychiatrist testified the night Chris shot his parents, he was suffering a mood disorder induced by the drug. Chris told her he heard voices. LANETTE ATKINS, CHILD FORENSIC PSYCHIATRIST: He sat there and started having echoes from inside his head, saying, Kill, kill, do it, do it. He went upstairs and killed his grandparents.

COHEN: The boy burned the house down that night, and when caught the next day, blamed a black stranger for the deaths. In cross- examination, the prosecutor argued those reactions reveal a crafty, sly boy trying to cover up his crime.

JOHN MEADOWS, PROSECUTOR: Escaping and leaving something is consistent with knowing you've done something wrong, isn't it? You do something wrong, and you leave. Doesn't that make sense? Isn't that logical?

ATKINS: That's one explanation.

COHEN: Chris, now 15, looked shy and scared in the courtroom. But when the psychiatrist saw him Sunday, out on bail, staying with family members, once again, there was a different person.

ATKINS: He was very bright, interacting in a playful way with his sister, you know, joking back and forth, talking with family members. Just a typical kid. No evidence of aggression...


COHEN: Jurors are -- have now heard two versions of the Christopher Pittman who committed these crimes. The first is that he was an angry, aggressive boy. And the second is he was a sweet child who was ruined by this prescription drug. Now, which version the jurors believe, that's going to decide how this case goes, whether he's freed, or whether he possibly spends the rest of his life in prison, Anderson.

COOPER: Elizabeth Cohen, thanks very much.

In a statement, Pfizer, the maker of Zoloft, said the following, and I quote, "The murders of Christopher Pittman's grandparents, while tragic, are in no way connected to the use of Pfizer's antidepressant, Zoloft. A vast amount of clinical and patient experience continues to support the safety and efficacy of this medication. There's no scientific evidence to establish that Zoloft contributes to violent behavior in either adults or children. It's unfortunate that unfounded allegations in this case may create undue concern on the part of the patients who benefit most from this medicine."

COOPER: Of course, on this program, we like to cover all the angles. So in justice served tonight, we're joined by Court TV anchor Lisa Bloom, and from Miami, defense attorney Jayne Weintraub.

Good to see both of you.

COOPER: Lisa, let me start off with you. The defense has done a good job at trying to poke holes in the prosecution's case. Have they done a good enough job? LISA BLOOM, COURT TV ANCHOR: Well, the defense has to do more than poke holes in the prosecution case on this one. They have to show that Zoloft caused him to be a killer, where otherwise he would not have been, that it so infected his mind, he didn't know the difference between right and wrong.

And Anderson, the problem is, before he took the Zoloft, this was already a violent young man, who came after his sister with a baseball bat, who shot darts at a bull, who took a knife to himself and threatened to kill himself.

Now, the defense says all of those incidents were just childhood pranks. After the Zoloft, this is much more serious violence. I don't know how the jury's going to distinguish between the two.

COOPER: What about that, Jayne? Are, is, was it just childhood pranks? I mean, I seem to recall taking a baseball bat, or wanting to, at least, when I was a kid.

JAYNE WEINTRAUB, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: I was going to ask Lisa. She must be an only child. I had an older brother who used to like to beat me up, and I don't think I was abused. However...

BLOOM: Well, I don't think you tried to kill yourself with a knife, in all seriousness. I mean, this was a seriously troubled kid...


BLOOM: ... which is why he went on the Zoloft in the first place.

WEINTRAUB: (UNINTELLIGIBLE), but that's what I was just going to say. Lisa, he tried to kill himself. He was aggressive. He was psychotic. But you don't just put a child on Zoloft. There were no clinical studies we know that the Zoloft makes erratic behavior. We know that it tends to link to suicide. And then Pfizer comes out and says, But not homicide.

Why not? If you could be aggressive towards yourself, more so, from the drug, why not homicide?

BLOOM: But the problem, Jayne, is that the science is just not there yet. We know from FDA studies from last year that Zoloft does increase suicidality in adolescents, but we just don't know yet about...


BLOOM: ... homicidality.

WEINTRAUB: ... homicide? And don't forget, Lisa...

BLOOM: Yes, but the defense...

WEINTRAUB: ... (UNINTELLIGIBLE)... BLOOM: ... has the burden of proof here. They're going to show involuntary intoxication. They have to show that it did so infect his mind that he didn't know the difference between right and wrong. We can't base it on a whim, on a maybe...

COOPER: So, so Danny (ph), you're saying...


WEINTRAUB: Lisa, the psychiatrist testified today that she basically took a leave of absence from her state job. She's a state psychiatrist. She believed so much in what was happening to this poor kid Pittman that she left her job. And she has treated him and worked with him for over a year and a half and given him sessions.

And she says, she's the psychiatrist, the battle of the experts...

COOPER: So Jayne, though, Jayne, though...


COOPER: ... why, if he didn't know right from wrong, which I guess is what you're arguing here, he had diminished capacity, why did he try to cover up the crime, burning down the house, blaming it on...

WEINTRAUB: It's not that he didn't know...

COOPER: ... an African-American person?

WEINTRAUB: ... right from wrong, Anderson. It's that he couldn't appreciate the consequences of his actions. And that's the difference. He acted impulsively. He acted impulsively when he killed them, he acted impulsively to cover it up, and...

BLOOM: (UNINTELLIGIBLE) that's a hallmark...


BLOOM: ... of a 12-year-old in general, acting impulsively? Should we blame Zoloft for that?

WEINTRAUB: Lisa, that's another whole issue. Why is this 12- year-old little boy being charged as an adult...


BLOOM: ... psychotherapy. And I agree with you there. I mean, there's a lot of causes of blame here, a drug that just throws, a doctor who throws a handful of drugs at a kid instead of giving him treatment, a dad who put...


BLOOM: ... a gun in the hand of a troubled 12-year-old, instead of waiting until a more appropriate time to pass down the family gun, a week before these killings, that's when you give this guy a gun, after he's been acting out violently? There's a lot of problems here.

WEINTRAUB: Why wasn't there a warning on the label? They already knew that it was connected to adolescent suicide. Why isn't there a warning? How about a wakeup call for parents and pediatricians, who aren't specifically trained in psychic (UNINTELLIGIBLE), psychotropic drugs?

COOPER: Well, well, we did it, we have a, we had a psychiatrist on the program last night, who was saying, you know, Zoloft has helped an enormous amount of people.

WEINTRAUB: Well, and that's true.

COOPER: And, and, and, and a lot of doctors have concerns that a case like this is going to stop people from going for, for, for...

BLOOM: And, you know, Anderson, the expert who testified today strongly favored the defense, says she herself prescribes Zoloft, her number one prescribed drug is Zoloft. She thinks it's very effective...

COOPER: We're going to, we're going to...

BLOOM: ... and yet in this case, she's saying it caused this young man to kill.

COOPER: We're going to have to leave it there. Jayne Weintraub, good to see you. And Lisa Bloom as well.

BLOOM: Thanks, Anderson.

WEINTRAUB: Thanks, Anderson.

COOPER: Thanks very much.

Rare images at America at war tops our look at news right now cross-country.

Here's what's happening in Washington, D.C. This video was released by the Air Force today. Take a look. It shows an unmanned Predator aircraft attacking what officials say are insurgent positions in Iraq. Image is pretty hard to make out, but officials say they show clear evidence of insurgents gathering to attack U.S. troops. It's hard to see on the images, but -- well, that's pretty clear right there, hitting a building.

Fort Stewart, Georgia, the Army is issuing its first new batch of new uniforms, several changes designed to help save soldiers' lives. These are the first major changes in two decades. The biggest difference, a new camouflage pattern for concealing soldiers in almost any terrain.

Richmond, Virginia, now, droopy drawers no more. That's right, watch out. A state legislator has proposed a bill that would outlaw, outlaw, low-riding pants. Lisa Bloom, take note. The kind, he says, that young people wear, you know, those kinds that the kids are wearing now, the kind that expose their underwear. The punishment for such indecent exposure would be $50. We shall see.

New Orleans, now, Louisiana, not Tuesday in the Big Easy, no, no, no, it is Fat Tuesday, as in F-A-T, not P-H-A-T, the end of Mardi Gras. Little rain was there, but who cares. I'm not even going to try -- I, I was going to try to speak some French, but I'm not going to (UNINTELLIGIBLE) -- Have you ever been to, have you ever been to...


COOPER: Oui, (UNINTELLIGIBLE), (UNINTELLIGIBLE). Have you been to Mardi Gras?


COOPER: Yes. (UNINTELLIGIBLE), what doesn't really get it, what the pictures don't show, the smell of beer and urine. It's everywhere.


COOPER: All right. Let the good times roll there in New Orleans. That's the end of Mardi Gras.

That's a look at stories cross-country tonight.

Well, all the Mardi Gras hoopla ends tomorrow with the beginning of Lent. the Christian season of fasting and sacrifice. If you listen to President Bush and his friends talk about the budget, you'd think the season had already begin. The president was on the road today, making a stop in Detroit to promote his lean budget. Mr. Bush's proposal calls for the biggest cuts since the Reagan administration, and more than 150 government programs will be sliced and diced, according to the proposal.

Sacrifice can be a tough sell. The president's team already working hard at it. Just listen to their talking points.



COOPER (voice-over): The Republicans' talking points about the new budget might sound more like cooking tips than fiscal policy.

BUSH: The strategy has three pillars. We will insist on a budget that limits the -- and tames the spending appetite of the federal government...

It's a budget that is a lean budget.

COOPER: They're on a strict fiscal diet. The message from the White House, we're trimming the fat, eliminating and reducing.

BUSH: It's a budget that reduces and eliminates redundancy.

JOSH BOLTEN, CMB DIRECTOR: The budget generally proposes to reduce or eliminate its funding.

COOPER: Over and over, Republicans will tell you they're being responsible.

BOLTEN: This budget restrains spending in a responsible way...

SCOTT MCCLELLAN, WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY: The president has outlined a responsibility budget...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We've got to be fiscally more responsible than we have been in the past.

COOPER: And they're using restraint.

BUSH: The first pillar of sound economic policy is spending restraint.

BOLTEN: Because of this increased spending restraint...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Together with spending restraint...

COOPER: Spending restraint seems to be the favorite phrase coming from the White House these days.

MCCLELLAN: ... exercising greater spending restraint...

... responsible spending restraint...

... even greater spending restraint...

COOPER: The president's spokesman repeated the words exactly 13 times yesterday. Not bad for a 23-minute-long press conference.

The Democrats, of course, have budget talking points of their own. They use the two D-words a lot, deficit and debt. And they seem to favor mountain metaphors.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It will put us on a path to endless deficits and a Mount Everest of mountainous debt.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's going to take us right over the cliff into massive deficits and massive debt.

COOPER: When it comes to talk points, both parties, it seems, have a mountain of experience and very little spending restraint.


COOPER: One of the most influential members of President Bush's staff, the architect of his reelection campaign, is about to get even more powerful. Here's a quick news note for you. The White House today announced Karl Rove, the president's senior adviser, will become White House deputy chief of staff, giving him a larger role in designing government policy. Rove, though, is not done advising the president. He'll continue to oversee the strategy to push the president's agenda. 360 next, female teachers accused of having sex with young pupils. Cases are popping up across the country. What is really going on? We'll take a closer look. This, she's a teacher, I know she looks like a student. She's a teacher accused of having sex with a young student, 13 years old.

Plus tonight, solo daredevil, a record-breaking sail around the world, a remarkable woman. We're going to take you along for the ride.

Also tonight, a married mom with five kids and two other husbands on the side. That's one of them there. Part of our special series, Family Secrets. This is quite a secret, I can tell you.

First, let's take a look at your picks, the most popular stories on right now.


COOPER: The Web site at Center Town Elementary School in Tennessee promises, and I quote, "a safe and nurturing environment for all students."

Tonight, a teacher there stands charged with breaking that promise. She's accused of having a sexual relationship with a teenaged student. We've heard stories like this before, of course.

CNN's Brian Todd looks at these new allegations and asks, why are some teachers putting themselves and their students at such risk?


BRIAN TODD, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Another young, attractive teacher. Another sordid case. Twenty-seven-year-old Pamela R. Turner, a gym teacher at Center Town Elementary School in Warren County, central Tennessee,m arrested this week, accused of having a sexual relationship with one of her students, a boy then 13 years old.

DALE POTTER, WARREN COUNTY DISTRICT ATTORNEY: We've got 15 counts of sexual battery by an authority figure, based on the position as a teacher, and that she had with this student at Center Town Elementary School. There's 13 counts of statutory rape.

TODD: The Warren County district attorney tells CNN the relationship began this past November and ended in January.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you have anything to say.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did you have an affair with this boy?

TODD: Seem familiar? We've reported recently on the case of Debra Lafave, the 24-year-old remedial reading teacher facing trial in two Florida jurisdictions for allegedly having sex with a then-14- year-old boy from her middle school. Her attorney is pursuing the insanity defense.

JOHN FITZSIMMONS, DEBRA LAFAVE'S ATTORNEY: Debbie has some profound emotional issues that are not her fault. I think once anyone reads what the doctors have to say, they will understand a lot more.

TODD: The attorney wouldn't comment when we called to find out what those issues are. Lafave's husband has spoken of the emotional trauma she suffered when her sister was killed in a car accident. But does this explain this entry in a Florida sheriff's probable cause affidavit? When the boy told detectives Lafave was, quote, "turned on by the fact that having sexual relations with him was not allowed"

(on camera): Psychiatrists and psychologists say that attraction to danger is a common theme in these cases, along with immaturity on the part of the teacher. One psychologist says they become almost emotionally on par with the student.

(voice-over): Here's part of a taped phone conversation between Lafave and her alleged victim, released by Florida prosecutors.







TODD: In these cases, experts say, some female teachers see themselves as nurturers, blocking out the idea that the affair is wrong or illegal.

Brian Todd, CNN, Washington.



Renewed hope for peace in the Middle East. That tops our look at global stories right now in the uplink.

Sharm-el-Sheik, Egypt, Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas and Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon have agreed to a ceasefire. Under the plan, Israel would cease its military operations. In return, Palestinians would end violence against Israelis. However, the Islamic militant group Hamas says it is not bound by the agreement.

London, England, now, Dolly's maker targets human cells. Today, the British government gave a license to clone human embryos to Ian Wilmott (ph), the man who led the team that created the first cloned mammal. Wilmott plans to clone embryos to study the causes of motor neuron disease, not, he says, to create cloned babies.

Colombo, Sri Lanka, DNA testing for a tsunami baby. An infant, known only as Baby 81, is on route to the capital for a test that will hopefully prove once and for all who his parents are. Nine couples initially claimed to be parents of the boy after he was discovered in the ruins of the tsunami.

And across China tonight, the biggest festival of the year. Millions of people have begun celebrating the Lunar New Year with fairs and ceremonies. Week-long event ushers in Year of the Rooster.

And in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, well, they have been celebrating also. Today's the last day of the country's Carneval, a massive party filled with parades, music, a dancing competition. I think that was Lou Dobbs. I think -- I'm not sure, in the green. Maybe not. The festivals end tomorrow with the dawn of Lent. Or was it Aaron? No, I'm not sure. The dawn of Lent, the somber, of course, Christian season before Easter. But it is not somber tonight in Rio.

That's a quick look at the uplink.

There was also quite a party today in Falmouth, England, but it had nothing to do with preparing to give something up for Lent. It was a welcome-home party for a woman who is months -- whose months of doing without already are over, and whose name is now in the record books.

Take a look.


COOPER (voice-over): Don't be fooled by the Flash Gordon look of Ellen MacArthur's gleaming 75-foot-long triple capsule of a sailboat. Yes, the trimoran (ph) was built for speed, of the very latest materials, and, yes, she boasts every space-age widget and system imaginable.

But the two things that made it possible for her to shave 33 hours off the record time for a solo round-the-world sail are not newfangled at all. They're among the oldest forces known to humankind. Wind is the first force. The other is courage.

This is how it was for 28-year-old Ellen MacArthur of England's Isle of Wight. For 71 days and 14 hours, by herself, alone at sea, half the time in the dark, but almost always, dark or daylight, pitched, tossed, sprayed, facing great swells and waves. For 27,000 miles, nature wanted one thing, to stop her. And she wanted another, to keep going.

ELLEN MACARTHUR, YACHTSWOMAN: There were some times out there that were excruciatingly difficult. There's no doubt about it. I have never in my life had to dig as deep as I did on this trip. And not just once or twice, but over consecutive weeks.

COOPER: She says she nearly hit a whale once, and often slept in 15- to 30-minute increments, catnapping in a crawl space inside one of the long arrows that make up her boat.

But she did it, sailed round the world by herself, faster than any other lone sailor ever has before.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The faster person in the world, Ellen MacArthur, (UNINTELLIGIBLE) solo lap of the planet, to open the champagne.


COOPER: Imagine what it's like seeing all those people after being away so long.

360 next, a coal miner's daughter and a rock star. Loretta Lynn making news once again. We'll tell you why ahead.

Also tonight, our special series, Family Secrets. Every family has them. Tonight, a wife, a mother who married more than one man at the same time. A double life that has her in trouble with the law.

And a little later on, sex, indecency, and a cautionary tale. Inside the movie "Deep Throat," how a film on a shoestring budget turned the porn industry on its head. A new documentary takes a look.

Covering all the angles tonight. Be right back.


COOPER: Oh, you talk about staying power. For over four decades now, Loretta Lynn, the coal miner's daughter, has been a superstar with solid roots in country, but an appeal that really cuts across the board. That was a clip from her new album, which, after all these years, has her up for five Grammy Awards this weekend. It's a personal best.

CNN's A.J. Hammer has a preview of a woman who could be a big winner on the Grammys on Sunday.


A.J. HAMMER, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Take a country music legend and an acclaimed young rock star. Put on spin cycle. What comes out? In the case of Loretta Lynn, possibly the crowning achievement of her long career.

CHRIS WILLMAN, MUSIC WRITER, "ENTERTAINMENT WEEKLY": I think this was far and away the best album of 2004, as far as I'm concerned. And I also think it's the album of her career.

HAMMER: The unlikely collaboration of 60-something Lynn and 20- something Jack White began after she learned he was a big fan. She invited White, the driving force behind the Grammy-winning White Stripes, to Nashville, and they bonded over her homemade chicken and dumplings. The album, "Van Lear Rose," began to take shape with his simple directive.

LORETTA LYNN: He wanted me to write all these songs...

COOPER: Write she did, penning every tune. White produced the album, played guitar on it, and sang a duet that's up for a Grammy Award. While it stripped the sounds to its essentials, letting Lynn's voice and lyrics do the talking.

JACK WHITE, PRODUCER, "VAN LEAR ROSE": I wanted to get away from the modern country type of production, because (UNINTELLIGIBLE) it's gotten to the point of it being -- a lot of stuff is being really heartless and very unemotional. And she's so emotional and real in her songwriting.

COOPER: Despite acclaim from critics, Lynn's peers didn't give her a single nomination for a Country Music Association Award back in November.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I confronted somebody who's on the CNA board and I said, You realize this is a scandal, right?

COOPER: Was it backlash for working with a Nashville outsider like White? Whatever the case, Grammy voters made up for the snub by giving her five nominations, including best country album.

And while victory is uncertain, one thing seems assured, her continuing friendship with White.

WHITE: We're good buddies now. We're really good buddies.

HAMMER: A.J. Hammer, CNN, Los Angeles.


COOPER: Well, coming up next on 360, a mother's secret life, married with five kids and an extra husband or two on the side. Part of our special series, Family Secrets.

Also tonight, inside "Deep Throat." A seedy film on a shoestring budget becomes an American blockbuster and revolutionizes the porn industry. A new documentary takes a look.

We'll be right back.


COOPER: Every family has secrets. Some are healthy. Some are dark and dangerous. And you're about to see one which is heartbreaking. All this week we're looking at family secrets, problems that millions of families have even if they may not know about it or talk about it until something or someone shines a harsh light on the truth. Tonight we look at a type of deception that shattered one man's trust, one who, as CNN's Gary Tuchman reports, he thought he'd found the perfect woman.


GARY TUCHMAN, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Staff Sergeant Mark Hunt had been alone for many years when he met a woman in an Internet chat room.

STAFF SGT. MARK HUNT, MARRIED ACCUSED BIGAMIST: I started falling in love with her pretty much within a week or so after I started talking to her, that's when I said, she's the one.

TUCHMAN: Sergeant Hunt is based in Missouri's Fort Leonard Wood, a 19-year veteran of the U.S. Army, but not a veteran of a truly loving relationship. That's the major reason he was so happy.

HUNT: She had asked me if I wanted to get married. I said, yes, of course, I do.

TUCHMAN: Mark Hunt and Julia Bish (ph) got married in Las Vegas last February. Sergeant Hunt's parents and brothers and sister were witnesses. The sergeant says plans were made for Julia Bish to move from Pennsylvania so the two could be together, but it didn't happen.

Instead, newlywed Mark Hunt received an e-mail from this man who said he has been married to Julia Bish for 15 years and has five children with her.

HUNT: I about had a coronary heart attack. I about died, but I still was in love with her. I didn't want to believe it.

TUCHMAN: But in December, Julia Bish was arrested on charges of bigamy.

HUNT: It basically destroyed me. I didn't know what to do no more. I couldn't sleep. I couldn't really eat. I started losing weight again.

TUCHMAN: Julia Bish admits she lived a secret life, not only marrying Sergeant Hunt, but another man in Las Vegas in 2002. She claims she did it to make herself safer from husband No. 1.

JULIA BISH, ACCUSED BIGAMIST: I left in a very abusive relationship, and I'm sorry that Mr. Bish is using this to control me.

TUCHMAN: Mr. Bish, who turned his wife in, says abuse allegations are untrue and adds...

RANDY BISH, FIRST HUSBAND: My only comment right now is that my only concern is for the children.

TUCHMAN: Julia Bish's attorney says she is not guilty because of a technicality.

LARRY BURNS, JULIA BISH'S ATTORNEY: What happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas. Pennsylvania has no jurisdiction over actions of people out in Las Vegas and they never have.

TUCHMAN: Is that true?

PROF. MICHAEL BROYDE, EMORY UNIV. SCHOOL OF LAW: If you are validly married to a person in Pennsylvania and then you validly marry another in Las Vegas, you have violated the bigamy statute. No question about it.

TUCHMAN (on camera): Sergeant Hunt says he hopes to get an annulment by the end of the month. And when he gets married again, not surprisingly, he is adamant that he'll know a lot more about the bride-to-be beforehand.

(voice-over): But despite everything that has happened, he hasn't ruled out that bride could be Julia Bish again, who tells CNN she loves Mark Hunt and wants him back.

Gary Tuchman, CNN, St. Robert, Missouri.


COOPER: The woman at the center of this family secret joins us now from Pittsburgh. Also with her tonight, her attorney Larry Burns.

Thanks very much for being with us, both of you, Julia and Larry. Julia, let me start off with you. Why did you marry two other people while you were still married to your husband in another state?

J. BISH: I was in a very abusive relationship. And for me, I thought it was a way out. Especially...

COOPER: What do you mean you thought it was a way out?

J. BISH: For me, marriage, it was all that I knew. And it was with my husband, Randy, a very controlling situation. And I thought if I married somebody else, that that person would keep me safe. Marriage was something -- it was harder to leave a wife than it is a girlfriend or fiancee.


J. BISH: And I thought if somebody...

COOPER: I understand that, OK, if that was the reason for husband No. 2, Lawrence Judah (ph) in June of 2002, why then a third husband?

J. BISH: Unfortunately, Mr. Judah wasn't able to help me. He had gotten himself tangled up in something and it didn't work out. And I met Mark, and I am very fortunate that I met Mark, because no matter what the situation is, I'm sorry that Mark got tangled up and I'm sorry that Mark got hurt. I wish I could change that, out of anything I wish I could change that.

COOPER: But you acknowledge -- this guy, Mark, the husband No. 3, you lied to him. You lied to him. You went through a whole wedding. All that was a lie, right?

J. BISH: Right. But I intended to be with Mark. And Mark, and also his family have been absolutely wonderful.

COOPER: Did you tell husband No. 2, Lawrence Judah, that you were married also? J. BISH: After the fact.

COOPER: OK. So you lied to him, too.

J. BISH: Yes. I would have done anything to try to be safe, to get out of the situation and find myself in a better situation, one that I was safe in.

COOPER: Right. Just so -- we'd like to cover all the angles and all the bases, we talked to husband No. 1 who denies that it was a controlling or abusive relationship. We gave him the chance to talk tonight. He didn't want to. But he said that -- in fact, what he said about the controlling thing -- he said, would a controlling man allow his wife to go to Las Vegas by herself? That was his response. But I...

J. BISH: There's a great deal more to that.

COOPER: ... don't really want to get into sort of the nature of your relationship. I guess -- I mean, did you have any bad feelings about lying to two people who seemed to love you?

J. BISH: At the time, my focus was to get out. I didn't even really think about so much of what was going to happen other than I could get out. And I had planned to be with Mark.

COOPER: Let me ask you, Larry, is your defense really going to be "what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas," because, I mean, that's a tag line for a commercial?

BURNS: Yes, that's one way of stating it. Pennsylvania doesn't have jurisdiction. The second marriage, or whatever marriage, if it occurred, it occurred in Las Vegas. And that's where the jurisdiction would be. The marriage in Pennsylvania...

COOPER: Yes. But any state recognizes another state.

BURNS: No, that's not necessarily true. If they suspend your driving privileges in the state of Pennsylvania, they don't recognize if you go over to Ohio and get a driving permit...

COOPER: Right. We're not talking about driving. We're talking about marriage. And if someone gets married in one state -- anyway, it's for a court to decide. It's a strange case, to say the least. I'm sure, Larry, it's one of the stranger cases you have been involved with. We appreciate you joining us. And Julia, I appreciate you joining us as well. Thanks very much.

All this week, we're going to be exposing some of the other double lives that millions of Americans are living. Tomorrow on 360, the secret lives of suburban wives. Interesting discussion, that. And the secret life of a porn addict on Thursday. On Friday, the secret life of a stripper.

360 next, tonight's current, inside the movie "Deep Throat." A new documentary asks some new questions about the movie that changed the way Americans viewed porn, so they say. We'll talk about it ahead.


COOPER: Porn is a huge business in America. Tonight, the film that started it all. 360 next.




UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes, I don't enjoy it.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What do you mean, you don't enjoy it?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: All right, that's not a right. It makes me sort of feel sort of tingly all over. And then...



UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I mean, there should be more...


COOPER: Well, I don't think it was the rich complex dialogue like that that was the reason that people went to see "Deep Throat" in drovers. The 1972 film put porn in the main stream. And it gave Woodward and Bernstein a name that would help bring down Nixon. All these years later, producer Brain Glazer is turning his attention to the cult classic with a document that looks at the legacy of an X- rated phenomenon. Here's more in tonight's "Current."


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I don't know. Something is missing.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Something is missing.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Something is missing.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: There should be more to it than a lot of little tingles.


COOPER: It was a film made on shoe string that turned into a blockbuster.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I want to hear bells.



UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And dams bursting!

COOPER: "Deep Throat," a tawdry porn film made for just $25,000, it went on to gross 600 million.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I don't want somebody telling me that I can't see a dirty picture.

COOPER: In 1972, everyone, it seemed, wanted to see it.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I want to see "Deep Throat" because I'm fond of animal pictures. I thought it was about Giraffes.

COOPER: And that acceptance paved the way for porn to enter the main stream.

BRIAN GRAZER, PRODUCER "INSIDE DEEP THROAT": The movie "Deep Throat" ignited a cultural revolution.

COOPER: A few years ago, famed Hollywood producer Brian Grazer wanted to make a film about "Deep Throat's" star, Linda Lovelace, who died in 2002. Instead, he ended up focusing on "Deep Throat" itself. The film's impact on our culture and the legal challenges it faced. In the early 70's in city after city, "Deep Throat" was dogged by obscenity charges. The film's male lead, Harry Reems, was himself convicted of indecency.

HARRY REEMS, "DEEP THROAT" STAR: Do I belong in jail for acting in these films?

COOPER: That convict was later overturned. Feminists protested the film's premise, and high profile attorneys, high powered celebrities, even everyday people made it their cause celeb. But no matter what the government did to stop "Deep Throat," people kept lining up to see it.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You would see movie stars there. You would see society people there. The next week the gross doubled.

COOPER: The star of "Deep Throat" Linda Lovelace, later testified before the Meese Commission on pornography that she was forced to make the film by her husband and later said she was repeatedly raped. No one who made "Deep Throat" could have ever imagined the impact this film would have.


COOPER: Well, as you just heard, Producer Brian Grazer was obsessed with the idea of making a documentary about "Deep Throat." He had much more to tell me about the project earlier today.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE) COOPER: I -- I heard that you got interesting in "Deep Throat", and that you first heard about it from your grandmother.


COOPER: I find this impossible to believe. Wow.

GRAZER: It seems -- it is unlikely. My grandmother who is a 65- year-old relatively conservative woman about this tall said, we saw the movie today. I said, what movie was that? We saw the film. We stood in line. And...


GRAZER: '72. So, she and her husband went to west Hollywood and stood in a three-block line to get in to see the movie "Deep Throat."

COOPER: And that's the first you heard of it.

GRAZER: And that's the first I heard of it.

COOPER: Johnny Carson talked about it. Bob Hope talked about it. There was something about it, that it caught people's focus.

GRAZER: It did. It could people's focus. People became very curious about it. It become pervasive in the language in America. I mean, people were either talking about it as it related to the Watergate affair or the movie itself.

COOPER: And it changes what in American culture in the relation to sex or the relation to pornography.

GRAZER: Well, it was the first film that crossed over into the main stream, where the establish embraced it. And Jackie Onassis or on the West Coast you would sigh Warren Betty and Jack Nicholson and Dennis Hopper and that whole group. They were very much embracing this film.

COOPER: It was part of the fact that, I mean, it was sort of comedic. I mean, there was -- there was -- billed as a comedy in some way. Did that help it, you think, crossover.

GRAZER: Well, I think there were a couple of issues. One is, it was just -- it was right after the Vietnam War. And it was during an innocent time. And the movie was kind of an accident. It was originally called the nurses. And they just found this woman, girl, Linda Lovelace, that they decided to change the movie.


COOPER: Yes, sorry.


GRAZER: Linda Lovelace...

COOPER: She had a unique ability and they built a film around it.

GRAZER: And they built a film around it. And it just had never been used as a theme. And it also did have humor, and it was sort of a blend of both things. It was sex and humor and people went out and saw it, and continued to see it. And the film was seized hundreds of different times and produced almost 1,000 different legal battles. It was banned in 23 states. And every time it was banned or seized, more and more people saw it.

COOPER: It's unbelievable how big it is. I mean, people don't, I think, realize...

GRAZER: That it's an $11 billion business.

COOPER: Right.

GRAZER: So, it's tremendous. It's gigantic. And anything that seems to be worth selling in our culture gets sexualized. So, just as a student of the culture, as film making, I look at that and I say how did that begin. And every arrow points to the movie "Deep Throat."

COOPER: I know you've probably already heard some criticism that in some way you're glorifying, you know, pornography. Or -- I mean, Linda Lovelace at some point in her life sort of said -- said that she had been raped during the filming of this. Do you feel you're glorifying it?

GRAZER: No. And in fact to the contrary, I think that -- I know that our movie is a cautionary tale, as far as pornography itself is concerned, because Linda Lovelace was the most famous porn graphic actress in the world ever, and Harry Reems an actor. And they both have, you know, very bad endings. So, as far as that goes, as far as pornography, it's a message to anyone really, don't go into it in any way, behind the camera, in front of the camera. It's just not the right thing to do. It's not going to lead you to anyplace positive. There's very little redemption.

COOPER: Hey, Brian, thanks very much.

GRAZER: All right, thanks a lot.

COOPER: Appreciate it.


COOPER: Well, coming up next on 360, low riding droopy pants. The outrage, the state of Virginia may ban them. That's right, make them illegal. The fight over your backside next.


COOPER: It is Fashion Week here in New York. And what better time to bring you a story about droopy pants. Earlier in the broadcast we told you about a Virginia lawmaker who has introduced a bill to ban droopy pants the kind the kids are wearing these days, the kind that exposed one's underwear for all to see. The question, how low can it go? CNN's Jeanne Moos takes a look.


JEANNE MOOS, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Is it hitting below the belt? What belt? Wearing exposed underwear like this could one day expose you to a $50 fine in Virginia.

ALGIE HOWELL JR. (D), VIRGINIA STATE REPRESENTATIVE: Undergarments were made to be worn under other clothing.

MOOS: A freshman state lawmaker, Algie Howell Jr., is going after droopy, low-slung pants, because he kept hearing from customers in his barber shop that something should be done about young people exposing their underwear.

KENT WILLIS, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, VIRGINIA ACLU: This falls in the silly bill category.

MOOS: The ACLU calls it unconstitutional. Others says it is racial profiling of young black men.

LIONELL SPRUILL JR. (D), VIRGINIA STATE REPRESENTATIVE: You should be ashamed of yourself, those who are lawyers, who voted for this bill.

MOOS: But vote, they did. Droopy pants exposing underwear have long gotten under people's skin. One annoyed Internet user even turned a famous song into a parody by changing the words to "pull your pants up."


MOOS (on camera): Let's see your waistline.

(voice-over): Droopy-pants-wearing guys in New York were staying warm, instead of exposing skin, but they had sympathy for their counterparts in Virginia.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That's crazy. Like, are they going to have a ruler and measure how low it is?

MOOS: The bill isn't that specific. It outlaws wearing below- waist undergarments in a lewd and indecent manner. Some guys called it a double standard.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Females do it, too.

MOOS: Theoretically, thongs would be covered. Uncovered thongs would be covered, that is. But there are worse things to expose than underwear.

PHILIP BLOCH, STYLIST: And there's always the old plumber theory, just say no to crack.

MOOS: Tell that to Homer Simpson. Why stop at this? Maybe they could ban this while they're at it. You may think your undies are cute.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Got fish on them.

MOOS: But fish could get you hooked.

Jeanne Moos, CNN, New York.


COOPER: Homer Simpson better not go to Virginia. We'll see. The bill is still pending.

Now let's find out what's coming up at the top of the hour on "PAULA ZAHN NOW" -- Paula.

PAULA ZAHN, CNN ANCHOR: Hi, Anderson. The Marine Corps has revoked purple hearts awarded to 11 wounded marines. Tonight, two of them will tell us how they feel about that. You can imagine.

And T.D. Jakes, one of the most successful evangelical preachers in the country has inspired millions with his preaching, his writing, his music, he's in movies. He does it all. We're going to ask him about politics and leadership in America, and which party he thinks best represents the interests of African-Americans. He's going to have a lot of interesting things to say tonight -- Anderson.

COOPER: We'll be watching Paula Zahn in about six minutes. Thanks very much, Paula.

Coming up next on 360, don't touch the monkey. Name the monkey. That's right. You could win the right to name this new species of monkey. We'll tell you how to do it in the Nth Degree.

And tomorrow, secret lives of suburban wives. Meet a wife, a mother who is having an affair. What is driving her to cheat? Part of our special series: family secrets.


COOPER: Tonight, taking bidding to the Nth Degree. All right, ladies and gentlemen, step right up for the chance of the lifetime. Never mind your run of the mill naming rights, the chance that is to stick your personal or corporate moniker on a stadium or theater or airport or some other such two-bit bric-a-brac. That for chumps. We can get you in on the ground floor of something really really big.

Yes, sir, you can win yourself the right to name this monkey, no, not as in Bozo or Bob or Billy or Buttons, we mean give the little fellow his actual scientific name. This is a new species, you see, and so up for grabs in the official classification department. The World Conservation Society is going to be having an auction later this month to raise money for the Bolivian National Park in which the monkey was discovered.

No holds barred but nothing naughty of course. And you do have to abide by the international conventions of taxonomy meaning using a generic name, this guy is of the genus Callicebus so that's taken care of already and then a specific name, generally in Latin. You know, like Callicebus Trumpadumpus (ph) or Callicebus Gatesarooni (ph). Think of it, some day at the zoo some cute little buck-toothed kid may point at one of these guys and say, look, ma, it's a Wal-martarilla (ph). Wow. Money well spent, we'd say.

I'm Anderson Cooper. Thanks for watching 360. Primetime coverage continues now with Paula Zahn.

ZAHN: We will not be talking about taxonomy, Anderson.

COOPER: Oh, well.


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