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CNN SUNDAY MORNING

Police Announce BTK's Arrest; Iraqi Authorities Arrest Saddam's Half-Brother

Aired February 27, 2005 - 07:00   ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.


(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The bottom line? BTK is arrested.

(APPLAUSE)

(END VIDEO CLIP)

TONY HARRIS, CNN ANCHOR: Wichita, Kansas police say the reign of terror by the serial killer known as BTK is over. Good morning, everyone. I'm Tony Harris from the CNN Center in Atlanta. This is CNN SUNDAY MORNING. It is February 27th already.

BETTY NGUYEN, CNN ANCHOR: And I'm Betty Nguyen. Thanks so much for being with us today.

The BTK story, that is in just a moment. But first, let's look at what else is going on right now in the news. There is a key arrest in Iraq. This morning, Iraqi officials announced that Saddam Hussein's half-brother has been captured. He's held many spots in Saddam's regime. And it is believed he was funding insurgents in post-war Iraq.

He was number 36 on the U.S. military's list of most wanted Iraqis. And we will bring you a live report from Baghdad in just a minute.

For the first time in 26 years, the pope did not lead Sunday prayers at the Vatican. Instead though, he followed along from a Rome hospital, where he is recovering from throat surgery. In a message read by an aid, the pope asked people to pray for him.

And Israel blames Syrian based militants for a deadly terror attack. This morning, Prime Minister Ariel Sharon says the Islamic Jihad in Syria was behind Friday's suicide bombing at a Tel Aviv night club. Israeli officials won't say if they plan any military action, but they do say they would prefer other nations to put pressure on Syria.

HARRIS: And much more to come this hour on CNN SUNDAY MORNING.

First, they decided they could no longer go on living. We'll explore their life or death decision and talk to the people who shared in it. Also, he's dazzled us with his icy acrobatics, but will Scott Hamilton lace up his skates again? We'll bring you part 2 of a rare interview with the Olympic champ.

And will "The Aviator" soar? Or will "Million Dollar Baby" take the jackpot? We will bring you our certified and (UNINTELLIGIBLE) Oscar picks.

NGUYEN: What kind of jar?

HARRIS: (UNINTELLIGIBLE). As Hollywood gears up for its biggest night of the year.

NGUYEN: Well, that is big time certification then, Tony.

HARRIS: Yes.

NGUYEN: All right, on to our top story right now, the capture of Saddam Hussein's half-brother. Not only was he a key player in Saddam's regime, there is evidence he played a major role in the violence that's gripped the post-Saddam era.

We want to go live now to Nic Robertson, who's in Baghdad, for the latest on this story.

Hi, Nic.

NIC ROBERTSON, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Hi there, Betty.

Well, he was detained. We don't know exactly when, but coalition forces have announced it through the Iraqi government that he was detained by the coalition and Iraqi forces in a raid. Sabawi Ibrahim al-Hassan al Tikriti, Saddam Hussein's brother, number six of diamonds on the so-called deck of cards, the most wanted 55. He was number 36 on that list.

There was a $1 million bounty on his head. It's not clear yet if anyone has claimed that, passing the information that led to his capture. But the Iraqi government says that he's been involved not only in planning operations for the insurgency, but also taking part in some of those operations.

The government here also says that he was responsible during his time under Saddam Hussein's regime, responsible for killing and torturing Iraqis.

During the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait in 1990, he was the head of intelligence. He then became the head of Iraqi security. Then he fell out of favor with Saddam, was arrested, put under house arrest for four or five years, and then became a presidential adviser.

According to the Iraqi government, though, he is now under arrest. We don't know where he is at this time. But quite possibly from what they're indicating at this stage, he could now begin to be processed, along with some of those other key trials in the Iraqi special tribunals that expected to begin in the next few months, Betty.

NGUYEN: Nic, how exactly was he captured? How did they find him?

ROBERTSON: Very few -- very little information about it at this time. We don't even know yet when he was captured.

One of the things we've noticed recently with the government announcements here of the capture of particularly some of the top insurgents, they don't actually announce it until maybe four, five days, even a couple of weeks after it's happened.

Why? Because they want to extract as much information from these people about the insurgency. And if there were any insurgents that have been closely associated with them, perhaps try and capture them before they make the announcement.

So at this time, we still don't know where it happened. We don't even know when it happened. All that we know is that it was a joint operation between Iraqi forces and U.S. forces at this time, Betty.

NGUYEN: The bottom line, Saddam Hussein's half-brother has been captured. Nic Robertson in Baghdad for us. Thank you. Tony?

HARRIS: Police in Wichita, Kansas believe they finally have their man. They've arrested a suspect in the BTK serial killings, which date back more than 30 years. The suspect is area resident Dennis Rader.

Wichita TV station KAKE says a tip from Rader's 26-year old daughter helped put her father behind bars. Police plan to file 10 counts against Rader, 8 counts of first degree murder and two other homicide charges. The charges stem from a series of killings between 1974 and 1991.

CNN's Jonathan Freed has been covering this weekend's developments in the notorious case. And Jonathan joins us live from Wichita now with the latest.

And Jonathan, yesterday at this time, we had plenty of questions. Now we have answers.

JONATHAN FREED, CNN CORRESPONDENT: That's right, Tony. On this quiet Sunday morning, Wichita is marked by some quiet reflection and relief.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The bottom line? BTK is arrested.

(APPLAUSE)

FREED (voice-over): The suspect is 59-year old Dennis Rader of Park City, just north of Wichita, arrested for first degree murder on Friday. Police aren't releasing many details and won't yet say led them to him. CNN affiliate KAKE-TV is reporting that Rader's daughter told police she suspected her father was the killer. Police took a blood sample. And her DNA was a 90 percent match to BTK's.

Police then moved in on Rader. CNN is working to confirm the KAKE report. Local news media are also reporting that Rader works for the city, enforcing local ordinances and as a dog catcher.

KEN LANDWEHR, LT., WICHITA, KANSAS POLICE: Joseph Otero, Julie Otero...

FREED: It took time for the lead investigator to read the victims names out loud.

LANDWEHR: Harold, Jr. Catherine Bright...

FREED: It was painful for their families to hear.

LANDWEHR: Diane Railford...

FREED: But everyone here knew it was necessary.

LANDWEHR: And Vicki Wegerle.

FREED: Police now allege the BTK strangler killed 10 people between 1974 and 1991. The killer was notorious for toying police by sending cryptic notes and packages to the media, enclosing things like trophy photos taken at crime scenes.

KAKE reports the suspect has been the president of his local Lutheran church. And in his Park City community, shock that police say the demon they feared has been living among them all this time.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You have to be really sick to do things like he did. And then, my baby's playing in the yard right here with him. It's just -- I don't know how to tell you how I feel. I'm just flabbergasted.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

FREED: Now the charges are expected to be finalized, Tony, starting tomorrow.

HARRIS: Jonathan Freed in Wichita, Kansas. Jonathan, we appreciate it. Thank you.

NGUYEN: Well, it has been three nights now since little Jessica Lunsford disappeared without a trace from her Florida home. A $25,000 reward has been issued for information leading to her whereabouts. And authorities hope that will persuade someone to come forward.

More now from CNN's Sara Dorsey in Homosassa, Florida. What's the latest there? Any new information?

SARA DORSEY, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, good morning to you, Betty. It is day four of the search for Jessica Lunsford. And still no sign, not even a trace of where this little nine-year old girl could be.

The third grader disappeared from the home she shared with her father and grandparents overnight Wednesday night into Thursday morning. In less than an hour, searchers are supposed to gather to continue looking for Lunsford. Yesterday, authorities were pleasantly surprised more than 500 people came out to help in that search. But authorities say as of now, still no suspects.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

911: What is her name?

RUTH LUNSFORD, GRANDMOTHER: Jessica Lunsford L-u-n-s-f-o-r-d.

911: What is her date of birth, ma'am?

LUNSFORD: October the...

911: That's OK, you're doing good. October what?

LUNSFORD: October 6th, 1995.

911: In '95?

LUNSFORD: Yes.

911: OK, ma'am. We're getting you some help.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

DORSEY: Now that was the 911 call that was put out to the public. Now it came from Jessica's grandmother to 911 early Thursday morning after she disappeared.

There's a lone light on in the home behind me where Jessica disappeared from. And authorities are still standing by, hoping to hear anything.

One woman here said it best this morning. It's hard to believe that a little nine-year old could disappear in the middle of the night, wearing only a nightgown and no shoes, and that no one has any information.

Police are looking right now for that one person that could have any little tidbit of information that could help them find this little girl -- Betty?

NGUYEN: Come very soon. Sara Dorsey, thank you. Tony?

HARRIS: Well, something will be missing this morning in St. Peter's Square in Rome. For the first time in more than two decades, the pope will not lead Sunday services. Live reaction from Vatican City is next. NGUYEN: And we want to say good morning, Orlando. A little rainy there. Look at this shot. All you can see is rain drops. It's been a little wet, as you can tell. But Rob will have the forecast. That's coming up.

HARRIS: And it's Hollywood's big night. This morning's e-mail question, what movie do you think will win best picture and then tell us why. Hit us back with an e-mail at wam@cnn.com. Hit us back with an e-mail.

NGUYEN: OK.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

NGUYEN: Well, the government cracks down on medical researchers. Not for anything they are doing in the lab, but for the stocks that they have in their portfolios. That's story's ahead in the 8:00 hour of CNN SUNDAY MORNING. You'll want to stay with us.

(COLD & FLU REPORT)

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

HARRIS: And top stories now. Captured, Iraqi officials say Saddam Hussein's half-brother has been caught. He was number 36 on the U.S. list of most wanted Iraqis. Sambawi Ibrahim Hassan al Tikriti was Saddam's adviser. And he's suspected of helping to finance the insurgency.

Arrested, Wichita, Kansas police put Dennis Rader behind bars. They say he's the BTK serial killer. Police link him to 10 killings between 1974 and 1991. BTK stands for bind, torture, kill.

Still missing, a reward is now offered for the whereabouts of nine-year old Jessica Lunsford, the Florida girl who disappeared Wednesday night. Atlanta Braves pitcher Mike Hampton is offering a $25,000 reward. Hampton lives in Jessica's hometown.

NGUYEN: Things just aren't the same for worshipers at the Vatican this morning. And with good reason. Pope John Paul II is not there. Instead, though, the pontiff spends a third night in the hospital, where he's asking people to pray for him.

We want to go straight to the Vatican City right now and our senior international correspondent Walt Rodgers, who is in St. Peter's Square.

Walt, the pope did not leave Sunday prayers, but he did go to the window of his hospital today.

WALTER RODGERS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: That's true, Betty. And most of the pilgrims, most of the faithful were fully aware Pope John Paul II would not appear in the square. There was only a small group of pilgrims here at the Piazza San Piedro.

What happened and what was a surprise, of course, was that his holiness, John Paul II, did appear a surprise appearance at his hospital window at the Gemelli Hospital several miles from where I'm standing now.

In that hospital window, an aid to the pope drew back the blinds. And then the pope was wheeled to the window to participate, albeit symbolically, in the Sunday angelus, which is normally conducted here at the Vatican.

The pope was slumped over at first. You could not see the tubes which have been inserted into his throat to facilitate breathing. After the tracheotomy, the operation he had on Friday of this past week.

Twice and rather firmly, the pope made the sign of the cross. He genuflected, but his total appearance was only a minute or two. And then he was wheeled back in his wheelchair. Recall the pope has been in a wheelchair for almost a decade now. Wheeled back from the window.

And then the angelus, the symbolic prayers on Sunday morning, the traditional prayers on Sunday morning, proceeded here in St. Peter's Square. And Archbishop Piedro Sandree, the deputy Secretary of State here in the Vatican read the pope's words. And the pope's words conveyed through Archbishop Sandree were that he thanked the world for the prayers that have been made on his behalf. And the pope again renewed his message that suffering is a condition which he must endure. It is part of the human condition.

And then he reminded the faithful and anyone that suffering is indeed something which is required for those who follow Christ.

Those in the square, the pilgrims with whom I spoke, were disappointed and apprehensive about the pope's condition. And more than a few of them, American Protestants, said to me that they were praying for the pope's recovery.

Still, that message of suffering had more than a little resonance with pilgrims here. And now there is that sense of emptiness and apprehension about the pope's well being, the emptiness of course being the pope is no longer in the Vatican, and we do not know when he'll return -- Betty?

NGUYEN: And we are hoping to get an update on his condition tomorrow. Walt Rodgers, that is, in Vatican City for us today. Thank you, Walt.

HARRIS: Vatican City with some rain. Orlando a little earlier with some rain. Rob, just want to give you a little heads up. Oscar picks? Just to give you a little lead time.

NGUYEN: (UNINTELLIGIBLE) so start formulating.

HARRIS: Oscar picks at 9:00 hour, so...

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HARRIS: Well, one of tonight's Oscar nominated movies sparks a national discussion about assisted suicide.

NGUYEN: When we come back, a poignant interview with the daughters of two women who had the choice of ending their own lives and the emotion behind their final decision.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

HARRIS: Well, one of tonight's Oscar contenders is bringing a lot of attention to the issue of assisted suicide. Clint Eastwood's character in "Million Dollar Baby" is forced to deal with it in the movie. Only one state in the U.S. gives its residents the option of assisted suicide.

I had the chance to speak with two women from Oregon about how this law affected the deaths of their loved ones. Jessica Roger's mother died of cancer. Julie McMurchie's mother also had cancer, but chose assisted suicide to end her life.

I asked Julie what led her mother to the decision.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

JULIE MCMURCHIE, ILL MOTHER TOOK OWN LIFE: My mom had lung cancer from the time of her first diagnosis 'til the day she died was almost exactly a year. It was a very progressive, very debilitating disease for her.

After watching her go through what she went through for that year, I wanted to support my mom. I didn't spend a lot of time questioning her decision. I didn't spend any time.

HARRIS: Jessica, let me ask you. You're 16-years old now. Your mom died a year ago?

JESSICA RODGERS, MOTHER DIED FROM CANCER: Last August, yes.

HARRIS: Last August. The law in Oregon was available for your mom. Was it ever an option?

RODGERS: No.

HARRIS: It wasn't.

RODGERS: No, never. That was never something that she considered or that our family considered at all.

HARRIS: And tell us why?

RODGERS: My mom had a very great respect for life and didn't feel that she had the right to choose when to end her life. And our family continued to learn from her up until the very last moments of her life. Up until she took her last breath, we learned from her how to handle such a horrible disease with the grace and the dignity that she had.

And right now, I would give anything for five minutes with her. And to have lost out on any of that time, I can't imagine that.

HARRIS: OK, let me ask you this. If she had made a different choice, would you have supported that? Would you and your family have supported that choice?

RODGERS: It's difficult to say.

HARRIS: Yes.

RODGERS: Simply because I was brought up in a home where we knew about the law. And it was very clear that she didn't support it. And so, that never entered any of our minds to think otherwise.

HARRIS: Did you feel like your mom was making this decision in part because of a perceived sense of burden on the family, stress on the family?

MCMURCHIE: To be honest, probably in part. Her sister, my mother's sister, died six months prior to my mother of the same disease in another state. And it had been a very difficult, awful death with 100 days in the hospital.

That being said, I believe she didn't want to burden us, but also she wanted to have control over herself. And she wanted to have control over her final moments. She didn't want to cede that control to us.

HARRIS: Yes. Is this in any way, to your way of thinking, about individual choice?

RODGERS: I can very much understand the decision. I saw my mom in an incredible amount of pain for several months. And I can understand the pain that people would feel seeing their loved ones go through it, or going through it themselves.

I don't know that I can fully respect it simply because I don't think because of my beliefs, that we should have the decision to know when to end our lives.

HARRIS: And Julie, you conversely are glad to know that the law is on the books for people who want to make this particular choice?

MCMURCHIE: I think this is a -- entirely a question of personal choice. And I respect everyone's right to make the choice that fits for them in their own spirituality, in their own emotional well-being. And I believe that this law gives comfort to Oregonians just knowing that they have the choice, although very, very few use it.

I think as we approach the end of our life and cancer or Lou Gehrig's disease is another disease that -- where people make this choice -- I just think it gives people some comfort to know that they will have control up until the very end.

HARRIS: Ladies, thank you so very much.

(END VIDEOTAPE) (COMMERCIAL BREAK)

NGUYEN: We want to welcome you back to CNN SUNDAY MORNING. Oscar Day, are you watching?

HARRIS: Oh, for a while and then I'll pass out, fall asleep. And when the kids fall asleep, I'll fall asleep.

NGUYEN: You're out.

HARRIS: Yes.

NGUYEN: Well, good morning, everybody. I'm Betty Nguyen.

HARRIS: Good Sunday morning to you. I'm Tony Harris. Here's a look at what's happening now in the news.

Iraqi officials say Saddam Hussein's half-brother has been arrested. He was the key adviser to the ousted Iraqi president and he's suspected of helping to finance the insurgency. Sabawi Ibrahim Hassan al Tikriti was number 36 on the U.S. list of most wanted Iraqis.

Wichita, Kansas police say this man, Dennis Rader, is the BTK serial killer. Officers arrested him Friday, following a traffic stop. They say he's responsible for 10 deaths between 1974 and 1991. Wichita TV station KAKE reports Rader's daughter helped police capture her father, however, CNN can't confirm that. CNN will air a special on BTK Monday at 10:00 p.m. Eastern.

It's been three nights now since nine-year old Jessica Lunsford disappeared from her Florida home. There's still no trace of her. Atlanta Brave's pitcher Mike Hampton is offering a $25,000 reward for information leading to her whereabouts. He lives in her hometown.

And time now to check in on some of the other stories making news around the world.

NGUYEN: For that, of course, we want to hand it over to Anand Naidoo at the international desk.

Good morning, Anand. What's going on?

ANAND NAIDOO, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Hey, a very good morning to you. Several big stories we are tracking down at the international desk.

First, we're going to go to Iran. A major development there. Russia signs an agreement to supply fuel for Iran's nuclear reactor at Bushir. It's a deal that's causing rising tensions between Moscow and Washington. The U.S. is strongly opposed to the agreement. The Bush administration believes the reactor will be used as a cover by Tehran to build nuclear weapons.

Russia is saying that it is addressing these fears. It's saying that once the fuel is used, the spent fuel rods will be sent back to Russia.

Now to the Middle East crisis and a warning from Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon. Sharon says peace efforts will be frozen if the Palestinians do not crack down on militants. That warning comes just two days after a suicide bomber killed four people and injured 65 outside a Tel Aviv night club. The Palestinians have already made several arrests in connection with that attack.

Could the winds of change be sweeping Egypt? President Hosni Mubarak is calling for a change in election laws that will allow more than one person to run for president. If the change is made, the president could see himself up against a challenger for the first time since he took office in 1981. There have been increasing calls in Egypt for some kind of political reform. And we've heard these calls, especially after the election in Palestine and the election in Iraq.

That's all for me. I'll be back later with an update on the pope and other developments. But for now, let's send it back to Betty and Tony.

HARRIS: Thank you.

NGUYEN: Looking forward to that. Thank you, Anand.

HARRIS: OK, here's the deal. You only have a few hours. The show's at 8:00 tonight Eastern?

NGUYEN: Eastern.

HARRIS: OK, so just a few hours to see all of the Oscar nominated movies before they open the envelope.

NGUYEN: Yes, we have a preview of Hollywood's big night. That's still ahead. And also, we're going to be talking about our picks. I've already laid out all mine. How about you?

HARRIS: You have, really?

NGUYEN: Got them on paper even.

HARRIS: I don't want to commit.

NGUYEN: You don't want to commit?

HARRIS: It's still early.

NGUYEN: You better hurry up.

HARRIS: It's loading, it's loading, it's loading.

NGUYEN: Rob Marciano will have his picks as well, although he's only seen, what, one of the movies, Rob?

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HARRIS: OK, here's the question tonight. You're going to find out what our picks are at 9:00.

NGUYEN: (UNINTELLIGIBLE) question this morning.

HARRIS: Yes, yes, yes.

NGUYEN: About tonight, though.

HARRIS: About tonight. OK, so you're going to find out about our picks.

NGUYEN: Yes.

HARRIS: OK. What movie should win, not what will win?

NGUYEN: Oh, I know.

HARRIS: But what movie should win best picture? And then you have to tell us why. Two parter here. All right, we're going to get some work out of you this morning. Here's the address: wam@cnn.com. And we'll read those e-mail responses coming up in the next 10 minutes.

NGUYEN: So you want to -- want them to hit us back with that? Right, Tony?

HARRIS: I'd appreciate it, thank you.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

NGUYEN: So the movies, the stars, the glamour, the hype? Oh, that's right. Tonight is Hollywood's big night, the biggest night of the year for Hollywood. And from the CNN.com desk, here's eye on entertainment with editor Todd Leopold.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

TODD LEOPOLD, CNN.COM EDITOR: The big story this weekend is the Oscars. And people are wondering what the questions, who's going to win, how will Chris Rock do? We have a whole section devoted to that on cnn.com.

Some of our anchors made their own predictions. You can face off the guests. And if you want, we have an inside the envelope game in which the person who gets closest to what the academy does will win some nice prizes.

We also have information about all the nominees. A lot of galleries. We'll have fashion material up. And my eye on entertainment column, I dealt with both the Oscars themselves, but also got me thinking about the ideas that never made it to the screen.

I spoke to a Hollywood manager, prefer to remain anonymous, about a Web site he runs called query letters I love. And he highlights some rather silly ideas which will never be made into movies.

And there are other events coming up as well. Jennifer Lopez has a new CD out Tuesday. On television, the NYPD Blue finale airs Tuesday night at 10:00. And we have an entertainment calendar on cnn.com so you can keep up with everything that's going on in entertainment.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

NGUYEN: All right, tonight on CNN, check out Hollywood's Gold Rush with host Sibila Vargas and Karyn Bryant. That's live from Los Angeles starting at 7:00 p.m. Eastern.

HARRIS: We're got to get some e-mails going. I think folks are saying they're more important things in the world...

NGUYEN: Than Oscars?

HARRIS: Than this question, which I totally understand. But we need your help this morning. What movie should win best picture and why?

NGUYEN: Are you begging now?

HARRIS: Yes, I'm begging. Yes, yes, we need some e-mails.

And I understand the sentiment, believe me. It's now what picture will win, because that's a different question. And if we'd wanted that answer, we would have asked that question. But it's what movie do you believe...

NGUYEN: Should win?

HARRIS: Your heart of hearts...

NGUYEN: So it doesn't have to be nominated. Just what movie you think should win?

HARRIS: Well, it should be in the category.

NGUYEN: OK.

HARRIS: You think it should be in the category?

NGUYEN: Does everyone else...

HARRIS: Well, finding...

NGUYEN: Here we go.

HARRIS: That's why I'm here, Betty. Gray, "Finding Neverland."

NGUYEN: "Neverland," "Aviator."

HARRIS: "Aviator."

NGUYEN: "Million Dollar Baby."

HARRIS: Right. There's one more. Isn't there one more? There's five. There's usually five. Did we get five?

NGUYEN: Same truth.

HARRIS: Is it? OK, all right, so that's it.

NGUYEN: See, that's why we're not getting e-mails. People don't know.

HARRIS: No, no, no. So that's the question. All right?

NGUYEN: Right.

HARRIS: And we need e-mails.

NGUYEN: Send us your thoughts to wam@cnn.com.

HARRIS: President Bush, Halle Berry, and Arnold Schwarzenegger, hmm, have all been honored as the worst of the worst of the big screen. Bush -- and Mr. Bush won this year's Razzie for his performance as president in "Fahrenheit 9/11."

And perhaps Halle Berry can cherish her Oscar even more now. She's been honored at both ends of the movie spectrum. Berry's lead role in "Catwoman" was named the worst performance by an actress. But the leather suit and the whip, oh my. Berry actually -- yes, she actually turned up to receive the award.

Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger got an honorary Razzie for receiving numerous nominations without ever winning.

NGUYEN: But I don't think she was wearing that suit that you talked about on...

HARRIS: Not to pick up the award.

NGUYEN: Unfortunately for you.

HARRIS: If she was...

NGUYEN: Yes.

HARRIS: ...I want some video right now.

NGUYEN: OK. He is a man who has experienced some of life's greatest moments and some of its lowest as well. Up next on CNN SUNDAY MORNING, find out if legendary figure skater Scott Hamilton is planning to return to the ice.

HARRIS: But first, a CNN extra kids and driving, the Institute for Highway Safety says the number of fatal crashes involving 16-year olds dropped 26 percent from 1993 to 2003. That's because across much of the country, new laws kept more young drivers from getting behind the wheel.

And get this. 16 to 20-year olds make up only 7 percent of all licensed drivers. But 20 percent of all reported accidents. (COMMERCIAL BREAK)

NGUYEN: Well, good morning, Detroit. Listening to Blondie with her "Heart of Glass." Hey, if you like glass, Venetian glass to be exact, there's an exhibit there at the Detroit Institute of Arts today. So get out there and check it out as the sun comes up over Detroit today.

Time for a check of our top stories right now. Police believe this is the elusive BTK serial killer. Officials in Wichita, Kansas have arrested Dennis Rader, reportedly based on a tip from his daughter. Police are now holding him in an undisclosed location. And they plan to file 10 counts of murder against him for some 10 killings over 30 years.

Saddam Hussein's half-brother is captured by Iraqi and coalition forces in Iraq. He is believed to have supervised and financed some of the post-war insurgent attacks. He was also a personal adviser to Saddam Hussein and held many posts, many other office positions in his brother's regime.

And Pope John Paul II did not lead Sunday prayers for the first time in 26 years. Vatican officials say the pontiff took part in the weekly blessing from his hospital room and asked for the public's prayers. The pope is recovering from throat operation.

We will have more on the pope's condition when we take you live to that hospital in Rome next hour. Tony?

HARRIS: Well, 25 years ago, history was made in Lake Placid, New York during the 13th Winter Olympic Games. Miracles were everywhere, but mostly on ice.

From the U.S. Hockey team's stunning victory to the five gold medals in speed skating captured by Eric Hayden, this week those 1980 memories were relived in Lake Placid. And new ones were made with the rink where Herb Brinks coached the hockey team 25 years ago was renamed Herb Brooks arena.

35 members of the U.S. Olympic team were present during emotional night. For at least one of them, those games were the first taste of the Olympic experience.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

SCOTT HAMILTON, 1984 OLYMPIC CHAMPION: You gave me 2.5 weeks of the greatest weeks of my life. IT was unbelievable. The games that you hosted here were just phenomenal. And not just memorable for me because I had a great time on the ice. And you so warmly received me, but because of what you gave to the world.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

HARRIS: And earlier this week, we caught up with this Olympic legend. You saw the first part of the interview yesterday on CNN SATURDAY MORNING. Now the conclusion of my conversation with Scott Hamilton.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

HARRIS: Well, I've got to ask you for some memories. You know, we're talking about the 25th anniversary of the Lake Placid Olympics. And that was an important event for you. You didn't win that year, but it sort of set the stage for you, didn't it, for your win in 1984?

HAMILTON: Well, it's amazing. I had my first international win in the testament there the preceding fall. And I fell in love with the building. I just loved everything about Lake Placid as a city. And the new building was just phenomenal. I just felt so comfortable in there.

And to go to that Olympics, hoping to be top 10, come in fourth in both free skate, fifth overall, carry the flag in the opening ceremonies, watch the hockey team win where two of the players were from my hometown of Bowling Green, Ohio, and just experience that 2.5 weeks, it was the greatest of the great. I mean, I can't even -- it way -- it was way more fun than Sarajevo, which was kind of all business because I was expected to win.

HARRIS: Right, right, right.

HAMILTON: Lake Placid was a joy from the second I got there to the, you know, the second we left. It was not a day where it wasn't just pure fun and joy.

So reliving those memories 25 years later is really fun.

HARRIS: Stars on Ice.

HAMILTON: Yes.

HARRIS: How many years now?

HAMILTON: Nineteen.

HARRIS: How many years with Smuckers?

HAMILTON: This is our third year with Smuckers. So...

HARRIS: Third year with Smuckers.

HAMILTON: Yes. Well, they've been with us as a presenting sponsor. But they're phenomenal. What a great family run business.

HARRIS: Yes.

HAMILTON: And good people. And we benefit Boys and Girls Clubs of America. Every show benefits Boys and Girls Clubs of America and the Literacy Program.

So we're involved in the community through Smuckers that way. And it's -- they've been a terrific sponsor. We're just so proud to have them. And the show's great this year. It's really different. And we changed it up a little bit. And you know, it's funny. I was let go of the Icecapades after two years because men don't sell tickets. And now Stars on Ice is in its 19th year.

HARRIS: Exactly. Hello.

HAMILTON: And Icecapades no longer exists. Yes. Uh-oh. Error in judgment. Oh, well. Life goes on.

HARRIS: So...

HAMILTON: But next year, it'll be our 20th anniversary year. And we're gearing up for that now. And it's pretty exciting to see the show last this long.

HARRIS: So Scott, you know what the obvious follow-up is. You're not skating right now, but are you looking forward to getting back out on the ice?

HAMILTON: You know, it's funny. It's -- skating has always given me life. You know, and when I was sick as a young child, I found skating. And it got me through that illness we think because I started getting better after I started skating.

And skating got me through my last cancer experience. And since I've been going through this, you know, testicular issues, I really feel like the only way for me to get back to my best self is me to get back on the ice.

HARRIS: Well...

HAMILTON: So, yes, I'll get back on the ice. I don't know if I'm going to perform again. I might. If I feel good enough about it, I will because...

HARRIS: Folks want to see you on the ice, though, Scott, you know that. You know that. In your heart and in your head, you know that folks want to see you on the ice.

HAMILTON: Well, my forehead doesn't want to see the ice. And the back of my head doesn't want to see the ice. It is my tailbone. So we'll figure it out. I'd love to get back to it, because nothing really individually, except for obviously marriage and the birth of my son...

HARRIS: Yes.

HAMILTON: ..has given me as much as Katie has.

HARRIS: One final question. All of the health issues in your life, the fact that you've been able to overcome them with your good humor, good grace, good spirits...

HAMILTON: Well, thank you.

HARRIS: Well, what has it all taught you about you? HAMILTON: Wow. I don't know. You know, you think about it every now and then, you get philosophical. And pretty much everything my life, I think, that's happened has been for a reason for me to share that with others and to try to help them with their problems.

You know, everybody out there -- there's always a bigger fish. You know, and it's hard to feel sorry for yourself when you know other people are going through things much worse than you are.

So for me, it's you know, my initial childhood illness, you know. It helped me relate to other kids, you know, with problems that are in hospitals. My bout with cancer, even after I lost my mother to cancer, really got me involved in the cancer community in a way that I understand what chemotherapy feels like. I know what patients are going through. And I want to help them.

And you know, with my brain tumor, you know, I'm hoping that I can really find, you know, what I can do with this to really help others. And it is an extraordinary gift to be able to experience these things and to be able to share it with others and let people know they're not alone, and that they can back to a quality of life that they choose to.

Because every day is what you make it.

HARRIS: Yes.

HAMILTON: And every day is a gift. And I've had to practice what I preach lately. And again, this has been an extraordinary experience and one that I wouldn't trade for anything.

HARRIS: Scott, get healthy and stay healthy.

HAMILTON: Thank you, sir. I appreciate that.

HARRIS: Good to talk to you.

HAMILTON: Nice to talk to you, too.

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HARRIS: Well, 10 days ago, Scott Hamilton had a follow-up visit to his doctor. His benign brain tumor is so far responding favorably to the radiation therapy.

And if you are in the New York area next week, you can catch the Smuckers Stars on Ice at the Nassau Coliseum in Long Island on March 4th. And CNN SUNDAY MORNING will bring you a look behind the scenes when the show comes to the Atlanta area on March 29th.

NGUYEN: Looking forward to that. All right, is "Ray" your pick for tonight's Oscars? What about "Million Dollar Baby" for best picture? Send us an e-mail and tell us why you think that should get best picture. A few comments from you, the viewer, when we come back.

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NGUYEN: All right, we want to get to our e-mail question of the day. What movie should win best picture? And you have to tell us why.

Steve says best picture should be "Million Dollar Baby." "It's the way movies are supposed to be made. All this computer enhanced and modern technology that has crept its way into movies really makes you like the old timers. It's called acting."

HARRIS: There you go, there you go. And this from little curious from Eugene from Ontario. "I hear the people who live on the Moon have picked "The Passion of the Christ." OK, I think that's Eugene's way of mentioning a film that a lot of people believe...

NGUYEN: Should have been in the best picture category, but it wasn't. The ones that you can choose from are "The Aviator," "Finding Neverland," "Million Dollar Baby, "Ray," and "Sideways."

So tell us what you think. Wam@cnn.com.

HARRIS: But you know, we're getting so few e-mails, if you want to go outside of the box, that's fine. We encourage that, too.

NGUYEN: Just send us an e-mail would you?

HARRIS: All right. The next hour of CNN SUNDAY MORNING begins right now.

From the CNN Center this is CNN SUNDAY MORNING. It is February 27th, 8 a.m. at CNN headquarters here in Atlanta, 5 a.m. west. Good morning everyone. I'm Tony Harris.

NGUYEN: And I'm Betty Nguyen. Thanks so much for being with us today.

Now in the news. In Iraq, officials announced the capture of Saddam Hussein's half brother. It's believed he was funding insurgents in post war Iraq and he was number 36 on the U.S. military's list of most wanted Iraqi's.

CNN's Nic Robertson has an update on this arrest. That's live from Baghdad shortly.

Also today police in Wichita, Kansas believe they finally have their man in the BTK serial killings. Wichita city worker Dennis Rader is behind bars facing murder and homicide charges dating back more than 30 years. CNN affiliate KAKE is reporting Rader's daughter is the one who tipped off police.

And Pope John Paul II made a surprise appearance today waving to the faithful from his hospital room window. He is recovering from a flu relapse and throat surgery. This is the first time the Pope has not been able to say the Sunday prayer. Now still to come this hour on CNN SUNDAY MORNING, relief and shock in Wichita, Kansas. Relief that the suspected serial killer is behind bars, and shock over the double life police say he led.

Also officials at one of the nation's top health centers aren't feeling so good. We'll tell you why. Plus worshipers at the Vatican get a special message from the Pope, but it's not the man himself.

HARRIS: But our top story this hour. Check another name off the list. The U.S. military and Iraqi forces nabbed Saddam Hussein's half brother.

NGUYEN: And I'm Betty Nguyen. Thanks so much for being with us today.

Now in the news. In Iraq officials announced the capture of Saddam Hussein's half brother. It's believed he was funding insurgents in post-war Iraq, and he was number 36 on the U.S. military's list of most wanted Iraqis.

CNN's Nic Robertson has an update on this arrest. That's live from Baghdad shortly.

Also today, police in Wichita, Kansas believe they finally have their man in the BTK serial killings. Wichita city worker Dennis Rader is behind bars facing murder and homicide charges dating back more than 40 years.

CNN affiliate KAKE is reporting Rader's daughter is the one who tipped off police.

And Pope John Paul II made a surprise appearance today waving to the faithful from his hospital room window. He is recovering from a flue relapse and throat surgery. This is the first time the Pope has not been able to say the Sunday prayer.

Now still to come this hour on CNN SUNDAY MORNING, relief and shock in Wichita, Kansas. Relief that the suspected serial killer is behind bars and shock over the double life police say he led.

Also, officials at one of the nation's top health centers aren't feeling so good. We'll tell you why. Plus worshipers at the Vatican get a special message from the Pope, but it's not the man himself.

HARRIS: But our top story this hour, check another name off the list. The U.S. military and Iraqi forces nabbed Saddam Hussein's half brother, Sabawi Ibrahim al-Hasan al-Tikriti was number 36 on the U.S. military's list of most wanted Iraqis.

For the very latest we turn to CNN's senior international correspondent, Nic Robertson live in Baghdad. Good morning, Nic.

ROBERTSON: Well, Tony, if you remember that deck of cards, the infamous deck of cards of 55 most wanted, he was the six of diamonds on that deck of cards. Now he was picked up, we are told, by a joint operation U.S. forces and Iraqi forces. We've also been told by the Iraqi government that they believe he's not only been behind the insurgency, helping plan operations and has also been involved in operations.

And the Iraqi government says that under -- during his time under Saddam Hussein's regime he was involved in the killing and torture of people.

In 1990 we're told that he was the head of Iraqi intelligence. That's when the invasion of Kuwait took place. He then went on to become the director of Iraqi security forces during the 1990s. After that, he seemed to fall out of favor with Saddam, was put under house arrest for about four or five years then became a key adviser of Saddam in the late 1990s up until the war.

He is the first person of this most wanted 55 to have been caught in the last year. He did have a million dollar bounty on his head, but it's not clear if anyone has claimed that money.

Tony.

HARRIS: Nic Robertson live in Baghdad for us this morning. Nic, thank you.

NGUYEN: Our next story is well known for three grizzly words, blind torture, kill. For years they've been part of a serial killer's violent vocabulary. Now people in Wichita, Kansas hope he's learned the meaning of a new word, caught.

Police have arrested Dennis Rader. They believe he is the elusive serial killer who has murdered as many as 10 people during the last 30 years. Here's what we know about Rader. He reportedly worked as a compliance supervisor for Park City, just north of Wichita, in charge of animal control and nuisances.

A local news station says Rader was, "A one-time president of a Lutheran church." And it appears Nader graduated from Wichita State University with a degree in justice administration.

For more details on Rader's arrest we go straight to CNN's Jonathan Freed, who is live in Wichita, Kansas with the latest. Good morning, Jonathan.

FREED: Good morning, Betty. I can tell you that our affiliate here, our CNN affiliate KAKE TV has been reporting that Dennis Rader's daughter played a key role in his arrest.

Now according to the station, she became suspicious that her father might be the BTK killer. She went to police with that suspicion. Now a number of people over the past year here have been coming forward with those kinds of statements, but police take all of them very seriously.

In this case, according to KAKE, they took a blood sample from his 26 year old daughter and when that came back the station says it was a 90 percent DNA match.

At that point they obviously believed that they were getting very close. They put her father under surveillance, according to KAKE, and that's when they ultimately moved in on Friday and arrested him.

Now Rader's neighborhood is still coming to terms with his arrest. People -- there's a range of reaction but shock really tops the list.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You have to be really sick to do things like he did, and then my baby is playing in the yard right here with him. It's just -- I don't know how to tell you how I feel. I'm just flabbergasted.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

FREED: Now Betty, police are telling us that the charges against Dennis Rader are expected to be finalized with the district attorney's office starting tomorrow, Monday here in Wichita.

Betty.

NGUYEN: Tell us a little bit more if you would, Jonathan, about Mr. Rader because it seems like people in his neighborhood are very shocked by the fact that he is the man believed to be the BTK killer.

We know that he perhaps was president of the Lutheran church there. Was he involved in his community? Did he know his neighbors well?

FREED: The sense that we're getting from people in his neighborhood is that he was well known and there seems to be a mix of feeling about him. Some people felt that he was very much in their face, that he was often rude with them and they didn't find him a pleasant neighbor. Where others say that their children played with him and they got along just fine.

This is not one of those cases. Very often in stories like this you'd hear that oh, he was a quiet man and everybody liked him. We're not hearing that about this case. There is more of a range of feelings about him.

Betty.

NGUYEN: CNN's Jonathan Freed in Wichita, Kansas. Thank you.

HARRIS: An overwhelming mist of grief and relief. That's what many victims relatives say they are feeling about the arrest of BTK suspect Dennis Rader, the man seen here on the left holding the shot gun.

Now many of the relatives are speaking out.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You could look in his eyes and see in his eyes that, you know, he was a cruel person. I could tell by looking right in his eyes.

STEVE MELFORD, WITNESSED 1977 MURDER OF MOTHER: I would just like to thank everybody that helped take him, you know. I've waited 28 years for this day.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

HARRIS: Well tomorrow night CNN's Aaron Brown will anchor a special on the BTK investigation. "NEWSNIGHT'S" special edition of "Catching BTK" will air at 10 p.m. Eastern right here on CNN.

NGUYEN: Some other news across America now. Rain and strong storms could hamper the search for a missing Florida girl today. Nine year old Jessica Marie Lunsford seen here vanished from her bedroom Wednesday night.

Police and volunteers plan to resume their search in Homosassa Springs. That will take place a little bit later this morning.

Police respond to a disturbance at Scott Peterson's home in Modesto, California. Members of Scott's family were removing items from the home when members of Lacy's family showed up to stop them. Police were documenting what items were taken for the records.

And no apologies from Arnold Schwarzenegger. The California governor says he is not sorry for pumping up with steroids during his hay day as a champion body builder. At the time, Schwarzenegger says it was something new on the market. It was legal, and he used it under doctor's supervision.

HARRIS: It is one of the nation's top medical research centers, but workers at the National Institutes of Health are feeling a bit under the weather these days. CNN's Kathleen Koch has the details.

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KATHLEEN KOCH, CNN CORRESPONDENT (cover-over): Cynthia Dunbar's husband invested heavily in pharmaceutical companies before they ever met. Cynthia works at the National Institutes of Health and now under a conflicts of interest crackdown they may be forced to sell the stock.

DR. CYNTHIA DUNBAR, NATIONAL INSTITUTES OF HEALTH: I 'm being put in a position of having either to follow these regulations and divest the stock or leave the NIH. It's a very personal upsetting situation.

KOCH: Under the new rules thousands of workers, spouses and minor dependents have to sell stocks they owned in any biotech or pharmaceutical company, and employees cannot take any compensation from such firms.

Long time NIH scientist like Dr. Elaine Jaffe are angry. DR. ELAINE JAFFE, NATIONAL CANCER INSTITUTE: Many of the NIH employees who have abided by the rules feel like they're being singled out and subjected to attack based on the transgressions of others.

KOCH: In fact, according to a December 2003 investigation by the Los Angeles Times hundreds of consulting payments and stock options were accepted by NIH scientist.

NIH investigators this week did clear as many as 80 percent of employees implicated in a recent congressional probe, according to the Washington Post. Still the NIH director says problems remain.

DR. ELIAS ZERHOUS, DIRECTOR, NIH: This is not just isolated events it's a systemic problem And frankly, a year ago I had no clue of the -- to the extent of the problem.

KOCH: Dunbar is getting anxious calls from perspective employees and worries this could start a downward spiral at NIH.

DUNBAR: If people are worried enough and then the next year they leave or we have difficulty recruiting it will take a decade to build it back up again.

KOCH (on-camera): NIH will decide based on employee feed back over the next year whether or not to change the regulations.

(voice-over): The director already met Thursday with one group of scientist proposing less stringent rules.

ZERHOUS: As I hear those concerns, I want to study them, I want to have an objective assessment of them. To me the integrity of this agency and its perception by the American public is the best source of scientific information is paramount.

KOCH: Kathleen Koch, CNN, Bethesda, Maryland.

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NGUYEN: The pope has given his Sunday blessing for more than a quarter century, but today it was very different. Ahead in our Faces of Faith, the Pope's condition and what lies ahead.

HARRIS: And tonight is Oscar night and we want to hear from you. This can't be that bad a question this morning. It's Oscar -- isn't this a question for today?

NGUYEN: It's Oscars. People should be interested in this.

HARRIS: It's topical -- it's top of mind, it's -- all right, what movie should win best picture? And then you have to tell us why, OK? Send your comments to -- maybe we're asking...

NGUYEN: Too much.

HARRIS: Yes, yes, yes. OK. Send the comments to wam@cnn.com. NGUYEN: Easy question there. We also want to say good morning New Orleans. Look at this live picture of the Super Dome now. We'll have a complete look at the nation's weather straight ahead.

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HARRIS: Peanuts, crackerjacks and steroids, is baseball forever tainted by the scandal or are fans willing to forgive and forget? We'll bat that one around in the 9 o'clock hour on CNN SUNDAY MORNING.

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NGUYEN: And this has to be Harry Connick, Jr., New Orleans' own. And good morning New Orleans and you Mardi Gras marathon runners. We'll have your complete weather forecast in just about a minute or two.

HARRIS: But first let's check our top stories this Sunday morning. He was a key figure in Saddam Hussein's regime, now he's behind bars. Iraqi and coalition forces have captured Saddam's half brother. It's believe he was funding postwar insurgents.

Back in the U.S., he was a leader of his church and a city worker. The police of Wichita, Kansas say Dennis Rader is also the BTK serial killer. Police plan to charge him in a string of murders dating back to 1974.

And the pope is asking people to pray for him this morning. John Paul II appeared briefly at his hospital room window, but he missed the Sunday blessing at the Vatican for the first time in 26 years. The Pope is recovering from throat surgery.

NGUYEN: We want to check on the weather now with Rob Marciano. It's a big day, Tony. Lots of pressure on Rob today and you know why.

HARRIS: Why is that?

NGUYEN: The Oscars of course. You're the one getting dressed up in your tux tonight to watch it.

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HARRIS: OK, folks are absolutely right. And here's the question. What movie should win tonight's Oscar and why? And this thing has taken on a life of its own. You ask the question you never know where it's going to go.

This one is from Jim. "The best movie of the year without any doubt was "The Passion of the Christ." The fact that it wasn't even nominated by the Academy just shows how out of touch with what is really going on they are."

Thank you, Jim.

NGUYEN: Larry also thinks people are out of touch. He says, "The movie that should", capital letters here, "that should win an Oscar is "Fahrenheit 911." The reason is obvious. It was such a good movie that 51 percent of Americans were afraid of watching it in fear it might make them realize they were supporting the wrong candidate."

HARRIS: OK. See, you ask the question you can't predict it.

NGUYEN: No.

HARRIS: There's the question. What -- these movies aren't nominated.

NGUYEN: No, those aren't nominated, but we can tell you which ones are if they want to pick from there.

HARRIS: They don't care. They don't care. What movie should win best picture and why, wan @cnn.com.

NGUYEN: And be sure to tune in for CNN tonight for all, all of your Academy Award coverage. That's tonight at 7 p.m. We're live from the red carpet outside the Kodak Theater.

The Pope urges followers to pray for him as he manages a silent greeting from his hospital window. You see it here. Straight ahead in our Faces of Faith, a complete update from Rome on the Pope's situation.

HARRIS: And one of three adults in the U.S. uses at least one form of alternative therapy from acupuncture to dead sea baths. "HOUSE CALL" looks at whether or not these treatments actually work to improve your health. We'll be right back.

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NGUYEN: Pope John Paul makes a surprise appearance today at his hospital window. He waved to the faithful just after a Vatican aide delivered the traditional Sunday blessing.

We want to go live now to Rome and CNN's Alessio Vinci with the latest on the surprise appearance.

Alessio.

ALESSIO VINCI, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Hello, Betty. Well about two hours ago Pope John Paul II did indeed make this brief but unexpected appearance from his hospital window here. He was wheeled to the edge of this window, which was kept closed however to shield him from the cold. It is raining and extremely cold here in Rome today.

Nevertheless, the Pope did manage to deliver his blessing to a few hundred pilgrims. Mainly young people who are gathered outside his hospital window here, the Gemelli polyclinic, and the pope did manage to deliver this message, this blessing.

However, it came as a total surprise. So much, in fact, that his brief appearance was not relayed live to a few thousand pilgrims who had gathered at the same time in St. Peter's Square as they do every Sunday, who were at the time were actually listening to the Pope's words -- to the Pope's own words, which were read out loud by a top Vatican official.

Sunday, of course, is the traditional day when the Pope delivers his angelus. It's a prayer message -- prayer and a message to pilgrims around the world. And traditionally this angelus has been delivered from where the Pope is, whether it's the Vatican or when he travels around the world. Nevertheless, this is the first time in his 26 years that the Pope did not manage to participate himself at the prayer from St. Peter's Square.

Betty.

NGUYEN: Alessio but he did, as you mentioned, make that brief appearance today. What do you make of that? What kind of message was he sending with that?

VINCI: I think it was a very powerful message to pilgrims around the world, to one billion Catholics around the world that indeed he is recovering well. There was wide speculation here earlier this week that the Pope perhaps was on a life support machine or a respirator, if you want.

This was clearly not the case. We saw the Pope sitting. He was sitting in his chair. He was wheeled to the window. He did look in good form if you want. Nevertheless, he does -- he's still recovering from surgery. But still this was a message that the Pope is still very much in control and very much -- he wants to go back to the Vatican as soon as possible.

NGUYEN: Alessio we're looking at video of that appearance and the Pope just for a brief moment moved his hand up by his throat where that tracheal tube is. Do we have any idea when or if that will be removed?

VINCI: No. We have no idea. We asked that question to Vatican officials who are keeping a tight lid on any information, especially medical information coming out of the building here behind me. So we do not know. We're told that we will know in due course.

The question of course is that many experts believe that it will take at least several weeks for the Pope to learn again how to speak especially if this tube is kept inside his throat.

NGUYEN: Alessio Vinci in Rome for us. Thank you for that.

HARRIS: And straight ahead on "HOUSE CALL" our Dr. Sanjay Gupta looks at ancient cures, centuries old medicines that have become popular today.

I'm Tony Harris.

NGUYEN: And I'm Betty Nguyen. We'll see you again at the top of the hour.

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