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BTK Suspect Makes First Court Appearance; Day 2 of Michael Jackson Trial

Aired March 01, 2005 - 19:00   ET

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ANDERSON COOPER, HOST: Good evening from New York. I'm Anderson Cooper.
A new look at the man accused of being the BTK killer, in court today for the first time.

360 starts now.

ANNOUNCER: After a 30-year reign of fear, the BTK suspect makes his first appearance in court.

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JUDGE GREGG WALKER, SEDGWICK COUNTY, KANSAS: Do you understand that you're charged with 10 counts of first-degree murder?

DENNIS RADER: Yes, sir.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

ANNOUNCER: Tonight, beyond the headlines, how one woman was targeted by BTK and lived to tell the tale.

A federal judge walks into her home to make a horrifying discovery.

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JAMES MALLOY, CHIEF OF DETECTIVES, CHICAGO POLICE: Judge Lefkow arrived home last night to find her mother and her husband slain in the basement.

ANNOUNCER: Tonight, is a white supremacist leader behind the brutal murders?

Day two in the Michael Jackson molestation trial. Emotional moments as Jackson cries in court. Plus, testimony from the prosecution's first witness, Martin Bashir, whose film launched the investigation.

A doctor who dedicated his life to care for patients stricken with Lou Gehrig's disease, now faced with the same fate. Tonight, his final act of selflessness, sacrificing his body in hopes of finding a cure. And lie detector tests. Are they really reliable? Tonight, are you a good liar? Take the 360 lying test and see if you could lie without batting an eye.

ANNOUNCER: Live from the CNN Broadcast Center in New York, this is ANDERSON COOPER 360.

COOPER: Hey, good evening to you. Thanks for joining us. Hope you've had a good day.

We begin tonight in Wichita, Kansas, where, for 31 years, three letters alone, BTK, attached neither to a name, nor a face, nor even a description, were enough all by themselves to create a toxic fog of menace and fear. But that all changed with the arrest of Dennis Rader, who, today, made his first appearance before of a judge on closed-circuit TV.

CNN's Bob Franken is covering the case.

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BOB FRANKEN, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): It was a routine court proceeding, but hardly a routine case.

JUDGE GREGG WALKER, SEDGWICK COUNTY, KANSAS: Do you understand that you're charged with 10 counts of first-degree murder?

DENNIS RADER: Yes, sir.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

FRANKEN: Dennis Rader was having his official first appearance to answer for killings that terrorized Wichita for more than three decades. Police say he was the one who sent taunting letters in which he had named himself BTK, for bind, torture, and kill.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: BTK is arrested.

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FRANKEN: But several defense lawyers in Wichita say the police chief's comments on Saturday were so incendiary that there should be a change of venue.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He was convicted on Saturday morning at around 11:00 by a statement made by the chief of police. That was the worst thing I've experienced in -- as a defense lawyer in 47 years.

FRANKEN: The police chief refused comment, and the district attorney brushed it off.

NOLA POULSTON, 18TH JUDICIAL DISTRICT ATTORNEY: I do not believe it will be a problem when we try this case.

FRANKEN: There's been no comment from Rader's newly appointed public defender.

WALKER: All right, I'm going to set this case for 9:00 in the morning on March 15. Bond will be in the amount of $10 million. Based upon your request for a court-appointed lawyer, I'm going to appoint the public defender's office to represent you in this matter. Should the case proceed to sentencing, it will be assigned to Division Five (UNINTELLIGIBLE).

Thank you very much.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Thank you, sir.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

FRANKEN: Lawyers warn that that court date could slip quite a bit, because the notoriety of this case, Anderson, is a problem for the prosecution and defense, Anderson.

COOPER: So fascinating to see that video image of him for the first time. Bob Franken, thanks very much for that.

We're going to have more later this evening on 360, another angle on the BTK killings, this one almost impossible to imagine. We're going to bring you the story of a woman who is sure, convinced, that one night, the bind, torture, and kill murderer came looking for her. That's later on 360.

Police in Chicago are investigating the execution-style murders of the husband and mother of a federal court judge, a judge who was once marked for death by a white supremacist.

CNN's Keith Oppenheim is on the case.

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KEITH OPPENHEIM, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): In the alley of a three-story home on Chicago's North Side, police searched through the trash. They're looking for anything that might explain what happened before U.S. District Judge Joan Humphrey Lefkow came home Monday evening.

JAMES MALLOY, CHIEF OF DETECTIVES, CHICAGO POLICE: Judge Lefkow arrived home last night shortly after 5:30 p.m. to find her mother and her husband slain in the basement.

OPPENHEIM: Her mother, Dorothy Humphrey, was 89. Her husband, attorney Michael Lefkow, was 64. Both died from gunshot wounds.

While the family and neighbors are traumatized, the idea that the Judge Lefkow or her family could be targeted was, in fact, not new.

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MATT HALE, WHITE SUPREMACIST: I will be the person who helps lead the white race to its resurrection.

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OPPENHEIM: Matt Hale is a white supremacist. In 2000, Judge Lefkow ruled that Hale's white racist organization, the World Church of the Creator, change its name because another church trademarked it. When Hale refused, the judge imposed a $200,000 fine. Hale was then arrested, and last year convicted, for soliciting others to kill Judge Lefkow.

In fact, around the time of the trial, Lefkow's home was temporarily guarded by U.S. marshals. Since the conviction, Hale has been behind bars. And investigators made a point to say that any connection between Hale, hate groups, and these murders has yet to be established.

MALLOY: This is but one facet of our investigation. We are looking in many, many directions, but it would be far too early to draw any definitive links.

OPPENHEIM: On the street where Judge Lefkow lived, neighbors mourned.

GEORGE PLENSENER, NEIGHBOR: Why anything like this had to happen to such a gracious couple like them, I don't know.

OPPENHEIM: At this point, neither do investigators. But they have created a task force, a mix of FBI, U.S. marshals, and Chicago police working two round-the-clock shifts to find out.

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OPPENHEIM: Anderson, joining you live now from the neighborhood in the crime scene. And neighbors here say that Judge Lefkow yesterday was crying in the street, being consoled by police. Judge Lefkow and her husband have four daughters, a family that's trying to understand what case or what connection to the judge's job, if any, could explain this brutal double murder.

Anderson, back to you.

COOPER: All right, Keith, Keith, thanks very much. Appreciate it.

That this mysterious double murder is getting a lot of attention on the Internet today.

360's Rudi Bakhtiar has been following the story being, story in cyberspace, and as she does every night, brings us another angle on this story, a story angle you won't see anywhere else. Rudi?

RUDI BAKHTIAR, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Yes, Anderson, we've been following this story pretty closely. It's been a big story on CNN.com all day. And even though officials are saying that they don't know who is responsible for the murder of the family members of this judge, we were looking into the one person who actually wanted her murdered, and we found a lot about him, and the group that he was heading up.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Blacks, Jews, hate them?

HALE: Yes, we hate them.

BAKHTIAR (voice-over): And hate is what Matthew Hale is all about. The white supremacist who put stickers of Hitler on his wall has been head of the World Church of the Creator since the mid-'90s.

HALE: No court has the power or the right to order the burning of Bibles.

BAKHTIAR: But when Judge Joan Lefkow ordered his group to change the name on its Web site and Bibles, Hale sued her, and was convicted of soliciting someone to murder her.

So what was called the World Church of the Creator is now known as Creativity Movement. It was founded back in 1973 by Ben Klassen, who committed suicide in 1993.

The Creativity Movement's motto is RAHOWA, which means racial holy war. According to the Anti-Defamation League, it boasts more than 30 affiliated Web sites, with a worldwide following primarily of young white males.

Creativity Movement considers all Jews and nonwhites natural enemies of the white people.

As for Matthew Hale, he was born back in 1971 and has reportedly been a racist since the young age of 12. He earned a law degree from Southern Illinois University and was denied a license to practice law in Illinois.

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BAKHTIAR: And I think, Anderson, it's really important to say again here that officials have not linked Hale to the murders of the family of this judge in particular. We need to stress this.

COOPER: Right, he's behind bars right now.

How many people belong to this -- what I guess used to be called World Church of the Creators, now the Creativity Movement?

BAKHTIAR: We were really trying to figure that out, making calls, going on the Web. It's very hard to figure out. But they're definitely intricately involved in the network. They have 30 different sites...

COOPER: They want you to believe they have a huge following.

BAKHTIAR: They want you believe that. And they're worldwide, which shocks me. They're in Poland, they're in Russia, South Africa, Austria, Belgium. They're all over the United States.

And what's different about this particular group is, is, that they actually don't exclude women and children. Even though they don't think women are equal, they like to keep them involved. They have chapters for them.

They also recruit children on Web sites. They have games that they can play to, you know, for example, they'll give them clues like, The blank are the deadliest enemies of the white race. And the answer is, Jews. And, you know, little games that even children can play to learn more...

COOPER: Charming...

BAKHTIAR: ... about this group.

COOPER: ... charming people. Great. Rudi Bakhtiar, thanks very much.

Some 70 people on death row, criminals before they could even vote, may now be able to live out the rest of their lives. Today the nation's highest court, in a five-to-four ruling, declared it is unconstitutional to execute anyone for a crime committed before that person turned 18.

And while the decision changes the future for those criminals, it also impacts the families of their victims.

CNN's Jeanne Meserve takes us beyond the headlines with the story of a family who've lost a son to a teenager murderer.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You are convicted of capital murder and sentenced to death.

JEANNE MESERVE, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Texas court said Michael Anthony Lopez should die for his crimes. Now, the U.S. Supreme Court says he will not, because he was only 17 when he committed murder.

Janet and Bill Green find it hard to stomach.

BILL GREEN, FATHER OF MURDERED OFFICER: Our son was just 25 years old. Each day that Michael Lopez draws a breath of fresh air is a breath of fresh air that our son will not be able to breathe. Each sunup, sundown that he sees is one that our son will not be able to see.

MESERVE: The man they raised as their son, Michael Eken (ph). In 1998, he was a deputy constable in Harris County, Texas. The 17- year-old Lopez, high on paint thinner, shot and killed him during a traffic stop.

JANET GREEN, MOTHER OF MURDERED OFFICER: This sort of decision today just brings it back full tilt and reminds us of the loss.

MESERVE: And despite what the Supreme Court says, Bill Green wants Lopez executed. BILL GREEN: Personally, I would do it in a second. I -- should the executioner that day be sick or ill, and if anybody was called by a show of hands that would like to volunteer, I'd do it in a second.

MESERVE: The Lopez family was distraught when Michael Anthony Lopez was sentenced to die. Now that he will live, one of the lawyers who represented him is expressing thanks. Stanley Schneider says, "It is a long time coming. It brings the U.S., and Texas especially, in line with the rest of the world.'

MESERVE: But for Janet and Bill Green, this isn't about international norms or even the future of Michael Lopez. It is about another young man whose future was lost.

Jeanne Meserve, CNN, Washington.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

COOPER: Well, those secretly made tapes of President Bush are now in the hands of his lawyer. That story tops our look at news right now cross-country.

In Washington, D.C., Doug Wead, former political ally of the president, handed over the tapes, just like he said he would right here on 360 last week. He recorded Mr. Bush while he was governor of Texas. On the tapes, the now-president appears to acknowledge past drug use. Wead released them as he promoted his new book. Now he says he regrets that move. No word on what President Bush will do with the tapes.

Salt Lake City, Utah, a legal battle to medicate this woman. Remember her, Wanda Barzee? Prosecutors say that will make her competent if they medicate her to stand trial on charges she and her husband kidnapped Elizabeth Smart back in June of 2002. Smart and the two defendants were found nine months later. Barzi's lawyer plans to fight the request.

Back in Washington, new research shows that more young drivers across America are yakking away on their cell phones. According to a federal study, 8 percent of drivers between the ages of 16 and 24 used handheld cell phones last summer. That's an increase of 3 percent from two years before. Officials are fearing the rise is going to lead to more car accidents.

That's a quick look at stories right now cross-country.

Coming up next on 360, a Texas shootout, the 911 tapes. An angry father goes on a rampage at a courthouse. Hear for yourself as it unfolded.

Plus, Michael Jackson in his own words. Jurors watch the documentary that raised eyebrows around the world. That was the scene. Will that scene come back to haunt him? That's the question they're trying to figure out.

Also tonight, the man suspected of being the BTK serial killer. You're going to meet one woman who says she escaped a brush with death.

All that ahead. First, (UNINTELLIGIBLE) your picks, the most popular stories on CNN right now.

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(BEGIN AUDIO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Automatic weapon. He is at the back door, shooting at these people.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Ma'am, hold on.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Oh, my gosh, they're still shooting...

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK, OK...

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I'm on the...

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Oh, my God.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He's killing somebody right now.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK, we (UNINTELLIGIBLE)...

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COOPER: Sheer terror caught on security and 911 tapes, just released by police, allowing us to see firsthand and hear Thursday's deadly shooting spree outside a Tyler, Texas, courthouse. As we told you last week, David Hernandez Arroyo ambushed his ex-wife outside the building, killing her with a semiautomatic rifle. Another man had rushed there with his own gun to try to stop Arroyo's rampage. He too was killed.

Heidi Collins is here with more on the shootings and the newly released tapes. What did we learn today?

HEIDI COLLINS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Yes, they're amazing. I mean, as if the story wasn't frightening enough just hearing about it, but now, seeing this, seeing these tapes, shows how exactly chilling this scene really was, how shocked everyone was to see this man open fire in broad daylight, and in front of a courthouse, nonetheless, unfazed by anyone who tried to get in his way.

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(BEGIN AUDIO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Tyler 911.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: There's an emergency at the courthouse, (UNINTELLIGIBLE) shot...

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK, we got TV on the way...

(END AUDIO CLIP)

COLLINS (voice-over): Surveillance tapes showed the confusion outside the county courthouse in Tyler's town square. At the same time, frantic callers were dialing 911, desperate for help.

(BEGIN AUDIO CLIPS)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: 911, do you have emergency for police, fire, ambulance?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Police.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What happened, ma'am?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Fire shots at the courthouse on North Spring Street.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: On North -- OK...

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: ... do you see anything?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes. I can't hear you.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Did you see anything?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: There's a policemen coming out the back door. I think one might have been hit. He's on the ground.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Somebody's on the ground?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Several people down.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK, at the courthouse...

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (UNINTELLIGIBLE)...

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: ... someone fire shots, someone on the ground.

(END AUDIO CLIPS)

COLLINS: The gunman, David Hernandez Arroyo, Sr., opened fire, killing his ex-wife, wounding his son and three law enforcement officers. Police say he was angry about being sued for unpaid child support.

As his victims fell to the ground or dove for cover, the terrifying calls kept coming in, witnesses doing their best to help.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Do you know what street it's on? UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I think they're on the side that's facing, like...

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Like Spring, or (UNINTELLIGIBLE)...

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No...

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: ... Irwin, (UNINTELLIGIBLE)...

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They're facing, like, Ferguson, on that side.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: On Ferguson side?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: But not the side facing the black -- the big, tall black building, the other -- Oh, my gosh. They're still shooting.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And one is wearing a black jacket, a black pants. The other one...

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Oh, my god!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Maroon truck, and he's getting in the truck now, backing out.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Backing out in the maroon truck.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He's killing somebody right now.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK, we got them on the way. (UNINTELLIGIBLE), which way is he going?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He's going -- he's coming toward the Regent's Bank Building.

(END AUDIO CLIPS)

COLLINS: Arroyo fled, but his shooting spree did not end. He shot and killed another man, Mark Allen Wilson, who shot at Arroyo to protect the gunman's son and paid with his life, one last killing before Arroyo himself was brought down by police.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

COLLINS: Just incredible pictures to see there.

We also want to update you on what will happen to the children in all of this. And there are three to talk about. Twenty-three-year- old David Arroyo, Jr., who was shot in the leg by his father, is still in the hospital tonight. He is in fair condition.

And two other children, a 6-year-old and a 17-year-old, are now living with their grandparents. They are the parents of Marybelle (ph) Estrada, who is Arroyo's ex-wife and his first shooting victim. She died in front of the courthouse, Anderson. COOPER: Heidi Collins, thanks very much.

360 next, a 9-year-old girl vanishes from her own bed, and police run out of leads. Is someone lying about their involvement? That's the question tonight.

And we want to look at lies tonight, and whether you would be able to tell if someone is lying. Tonight, you can take our 360 quiz on truth and deception. You can take it at home, find out if you can tell when someone is lying. That's ahead later tonight.

Also ahead, a close brush with death, the suspected BTK serial killer. You're going to meet one woman who says she escaped his grip.

And a little later tonight, the Michael Jackson trial. His own words used against him in court. We're covering all the angles.

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COOPER: Tonight in Homosassa Springs, Florida, a family is holding onto hope that 9-year-old Jessica Marie Lunsford will come home. Police say they still have no solid leads as to why she disappeared last week.

Today, a state-trained search and rescue team scoured the area near the girl's home after the volunteer search was called off. Police also had the girl's father, Mark Lunsford, undergo lie detector tests. They say the results showed, quote, "nothing alarming." The girl's grandfather will take a polygraph next week.

OK, police will likely be interviewing a lot of people as they try to figure out exactly what happened Lunsford using all kinds of tools to determine whether anyone is lying. Police routinely use lie detector tests, but often people refuse to submit to them.

So we wondered if there really is any way you can tell if someone's lying without using all that equipment.

Our next guest has that answer. Stan Walters, also known as the Lie Guy, is the author of "The Truth About Lying: How to Spot a Lie and Protect Yourself from Deception." He joins us from Richmond, Virginia, with some actual interrogation clips.

Stan, thanks very much for being with us.

STAN WALTERS, AUTHOR, "THE TRUTH ABOUT LYING": Glad to be with you again, Anderson.

COOPER: We've got three video clips that we want to play for our viewers tonight. And they're, our viewers at home can actually watch these clips, listen to what the people are saying, and try to judge for themselves whether people are lying. I haven't seen the clips. I don't know if the people are lying or telling the truth. I'll be taking the quiz as long.

So let's play the first clip. And the description of what, what it is, in the first one, a man is accused of burglary. He is asked by an interrogator how he knows which drugstore was hit. Let's watch.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How did you know what drugstore to hit?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Random. It's probably (UNINTELLIGIBLE).

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well, anybody of a particular size, or the type of drugs?

(END VIDEO CLIP)

COOPER: Now, Stan, I mean, it's not much to go on. As you're looking at that, I would guess he's lying just because he's kind of, seems shifty and kind of did the shoulder shrug and seemed kind of fake. But I don't know.

WALTERS: You (UNINTELLIGIBLE), you got that one right. And you got a 50-50 chance. And most people missed that cue. You picked one of them right. Did you see the body had that sudden move away from the interviewer at that time he asked the question? That's an away or an aversion behavior, which we've found is a common cue. And did you notice also that his hand went up over his face at that point? That's a negation signal, or neutralizing, or, like, masking. That's also a deception signal.

So the two of them together, a cluster, gives you pretty high reliability that's probably a deceptive answer.

COOPER: Interesting, the old hand over the face thing.

WALTERS: Yes, kind of like, (UNINTELLIGIBLE) kind of like the Freud's three monkeys that are hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil.

COOPER: OK, well, I'm no longer going to do this, then.

WALTERS: (UNINTELLIGIBLE).

COOPER: Let's move, let's move, let's move on to the second clip. This man is accused of murder. The interrogator asks if he shot the victim three times in the back and one time in the head. Let's take a look.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You put three in his back and one in his head.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I don't know. I don't, see, I don't know. I don't know. See, I couldn't see him. It was dark. (UNINTELLIGIBLE) hit him when he was (UNINTELLIGIBLE), how I shot him in the head when it was dark, I couldn't see him at all. It was dark.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

WALTERS: OK, how about that one?

COOPER: I, well, I'm going to go, I'm going to go, since he's doing the hand in front of the face thing, I'm going to go with that, and a lot of the shrugging. It seemed kind of phony to me.

WALTERS: Good. OK, you got the hand to the face. That's good negation. Did you notice he said, I don't know? There's a memory lapse. That's one of our common cues that people use. They have convenient memory failures with critical issues. So again, we have a cluster. We have a memory lapse and we have another mask or negation (UNINTELLIGIBLE). So you have, the answer is, (UNINTELLIGIBLE), you have a deceptive response from that subject.

COOPER: But wouldn't the guy say, I don't know? I mean, what's wrong with saying, I don't know? That, I don't get.

WALTERS: Well, in this case, you have a combination of cues. If it's sitting out there by itself, random symptoms don't mean anything.

COOPER: I see.

WALTERS: People accidentally do cues. But this one, in combination with the hand on the face, is a cluster consistent with somebody withholding details.

COOPER: OK, last video on our test, finally, the third clip, this guy is accused of serial rape. The interrogator asks if some photos appear to be incriminating. Let's look.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (UNINTELLIGIBLE) appear to be incriminating?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No, not based off of their testimony, no. But it turned out to be incriminating. But if you would listen to the version of the story (UNINTELLIGIBLE), the pictures wouldn't match what they said (UNINTELLIGIBLE).

(END VIDEO CLIP)

WALTERS: OK, that's a tough one. There's a lot in that one. (UNINTELLIGIBLE)...

COOPER: I'd say he's telling the truth, but I don't know why I think that.

WALTERS: No, it's deceptive. It's another one. In that 13 seconds, that subject gives 12 behaviors of stress and deception. You have, again, a multiple no answer. He says No, no. You see the aversion, the interviewer asks the question, suddenly his head turns away from the interviewer. We have the hand to the mouth again. Then we have, but, no, not based on testimony, but turns out to be (UNINTELLIGIBLE), but, and that's a disqualifying statement.

So that's enormous cluster consistent with being deceptive about those photographs. COOPER: All right, a fascinating test. Dan Walters, thanks very much, appreciate it.

WALTERS: Thanks, good to be with you again, Anderson.

COOPER: All right.

ANNOUNCER: After a 30-year reign of fear, the BTK suspect makes his first appearance in court.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

JUDGE GREGG WALKER, SEDGWICK COUNTY, KANSAS: Do you understand that you're charged with 10 counts of first-degree murder?

DENNIS RADER: Yes, sir.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

ANNOUNCER: Tonight, beyond the headlines, how one woman was targeted by BTK and lived to tell the tale.

And day two in the Michael Jackson molestation trial. Emotional moments as Jackson cries in court. Plus, testimony from the prosecution's first witness, Martin Bashir, whose film launched the investigation.

360 continues.

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COOPER: Michael Jackson cries in court. Find out what struck a nerve. We're covering all the angles. 360 next.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There was one night (UNINTELLIGIBLE), and I asked if I could stay in the bedroom. He let me stay in the bedroom. I was like, Michael, you can sleep in the bed. He was like, no, no, you sleep in the bed. Sleep with me. I was like, no, no, you sleep in the bed. And then he finally said, OK, if you love me, you'll sleep in the bed. I was like, oh, man. So, I finally slept on the bed. It was fun that night.

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COOPER: Yes, (UNINTELLIGIBLE), he slept on the floor. Today, the jury deciding the fate of Michael Jackson sat in a Santa Maria courtroom, saw that clip from the British version of the documentary, that put the bizarre private life of the singer in full public view. The British journalist who made that film, Martin Bashir, took the stand today as the prosecutions first witness, but not before the defense attorney finished his opening statement with a blistering attack of his own. It was a day that reportedly left Michael Jackson in tears.

CNN's Ted Rowlands has the latest from the courthouse.

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TED ROWLANDS, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): According to observers, Michael Jackson wept in court while watching video of himself dangling his infant son over a hotel balcony in Germany.

MICHAEL CARDOZA, LEGAL ANALYST: He reached for a tissue paper, dabbed his eyes, dabbed his nose, a number of times. That went on for about 10 minutes. Though he had very much of an emotion reaction.

ROWLANDS: Jurors were shown the British documentary "Living With Michael Jackson." This is a version shown in the United States on ABC, jurors saw a slightly different version aired in Europe. While Jackson may have wept during some of the documentary, at the beginning of it, he seemed up beat, moving back and forth in his chair to his music.

STEVE CARBETT, "SANTA MARIA TIMES": "Thriller," he move, he nodded, he bopped. "Billy Jean," he moved, he nodded, he -- he seemed enthralled and somewhat disconnected with the fact that he's on trial for a very, very serious, serious crime.

ROWLANDS: The first prosecution witness was Martin Bashir who produced the documentary. In a contentious exchange during cross examination, Bashir refused to answer a number of questions from Jackson's attorney, Thomas Mesereau, citing the California Shield Law, which give journalist the right not to answer certain questions.

Before the documentary was played, the defense finished opening statements. Defense Attorney, Thomas Mesereau, told jurors that investigators couldn't find any of the victim's DNA in Jackson's room at his Neverland Ranch saying, that proves there was no abuse. Mesereau spent most of his time hammering away at the victim's mother, insinuation, she's behind the sexual molestation accusations. Mesereau said the mother turned against Michael Jackson only after she realized he wasn't going to support her and her family. Mesereau told jurors, "When she realized she couldn't make millions one way, she looked for another way, and here we all."

When levering the courthouse, Jackson had this to say when asked by reporters how are you as feeling.

MICHAEL JACKSON, ENTERTAINER: Angry.

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ROWLANDS: At one point today, Jackson's attorney, Thomas Mesereau, seemed to indicate to jurors, that Jackson will take the stand at one point. He said Michael Jackson will tell you he had a bad feeling. We're talking about this family. Clearly, indicating to jurors that Jackson may, at one point, take the stand here. Obviously, that will be a decision that is made once the defense starts their case -- Anderson. COOPER: Ted Rowlands, thanks for that. Appreciate it.

CNN senior legal analyst, Jeffrey Toobin, was inside the courthouse all day. He joins us now from Santa Maria, California.

Jeff, thanks for being with us.

Is Michael Jackson really going to take the stand?

JEFFREY TOOBIN, CNN SENIOR LEGAL ANALYST CORRESPONDENT: Boy, I was -- I really sort of jumped when Tom Mesereau said that in court twice. He said Michael Jackson will tell you. It's possible.

COOPER: It could be a figure of speech, though.

TOOBIN: It could be, and it was less than an iron clad commitments. Based on everything I have seen, and just a pattern here, I think it would be extremely unlikely that he will take the witness stand, especially because he has such a defensible case here without taking the stand himself.

COOPER: The jury saw the entire documentary on Jackson today. The documentary that really started it all. It shows him holding the hand of his alleged victim. As the jurors watched it, how did they respond.

TOOBIN: Well, you know, it was one of the weirdest things I've ever seen in a court room. Because you know, he's in a courtroom. You have strict rules of evidence, about what can be said, and hearsay, and here you have this crazy TV show played for the jurors. And you know, the jurors were laughing at parts of it, when Martin Bashir tried to dance along with Michael, they were laughing.

Everybody seemed to enjoy the music. Michael was tapping his feet, a lot of people in the audience were tapping their feet. But you know, I think, on balance, it wasn't as incriminating as I remember it. There -- of course, is this part at the end, where Jackson is with the boy who is the accuser in this case. And he says he thinks it's appropriate to sleep in the same room with boys. But repeatedly, he does says there was no sexual contact, that this was not sexual thing. So on balance, it wasn't as incriminating as I remembered it.

COOPER: The defense admitted, though, that Jackson reads, I think what they refer to as, girly magazines, which is sort of a 1950s term, I think. But I think the girly magazines are "Hustler" and "Playboy." I guess -- I mean, very important for them to do that, since I guess that's going to be introduced into evidence later on, anyway.

TOOBIN: Right, and Michael Jackson's fingerprints are on the magazines, so they can't very well deny it. But what he did say, and this is one of the times he said, Michael Jackson will tell you, that he caught his accuser and his brother sneaking into his stash of girly magazines. So the defense's explanation is going to be, he didn't give the magazines to the kids, they took them without his permission. COOPER: The -- I mean, a lot of this will boil down to time line. The time line of this. The accusation is that it's after that documentary aired that the molestation occurred.

TOOBIN: And that was one of the most effective parts of Tom Mesereau's opening, I thought. Because here he said, look, the defense claims that this documentary sent Michael Jackson into a tizzy, a frenzy of preparations. You know, he hired lawyers, he hired P.R. people, the D.A. was investigation, the county was investigating, it is only then, according the prosecution, that he starts abusing this boy. It does seem peculiar. Now it's not impossible. But it is certainly odd, that Michael Jackson, having spent years with this kid, would suddenly start abusing him at the moment he becomes a suspect.

COOPER: All right. Jeffrey Toobin, thanks very much. We're going to hear a lot about that time line later on. Thanks, Jeffrey.

360 next, the BTK suspect in court. Tonight, we take you beyond the headlines. Here from a woman who says, she was one of the lucky ones who got away from his grasp.

And a little later, a doctor who helped those fighting a deadly disease, finds himself in the same fight. He has the same disease he has been treating people with all these years. He's now effectively a medical guinea pig, hoping to save his life and others.

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COOPER: That's Dennis Rader again as he appeared today on closed-circuit television before a judge in Kansas. Ten people died at the hands of the BTK killer, perhaps as many as 13. Whatever the actual number turns out to be, there's a woman who is sure the toll was supposed to have been higher, by one at least, because she has reason to believe that on a certain day years ago she was an intended victim of the BTK killer. CNN's John Zarrella takes us tonight "Beyond the Headlines."

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JOHN ZARRELLA, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Cheryl does not want you to know what she looks like today. Perhaps more precisely, she does not want him to know.

CHERYL: After living with 28 years of fear, there's still a little portion of me that's not ready to let it all go.

ZARRELLA: All those years, Cheryl -- she also asked us not to use her last name -- has believed she might have been an intended victim of BTK. Her emotions now are understandable as they swing between cautious hope and elation.

(on camera): What was your reaction when they announced that they'd caught him?

CHERYL: At the moment when they announced, we do have the BTK...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The bottom line, BTK is arrested.

CHERYL: ... I just -- the flood gates of emotion just were opened, and I actually -- I just was so overcome with emotion that all day, I was physically ill. I thought I was going to throw up.

ZARRELLA (voice-over): In 1977, Cheryl, a single mother with a 5-year-old son, lived with a roommate on Hydraulic Street in Wichita. One spring day, she came home from work to find a mother of three, Shirley Vian, a neighbor, had been murdered. One of Vian's children told police the murderer had been to another house first.

CHERYL: The little boy had talked to the murderer before he came to her house, and the little boy told the police that he had seen the man go to my house and knock on my door.

ZARRELLA: And there was more.

CHERYL: My understanding was was that the man showed the little boy a picture of a woman and a child and said, do you know these people? And the little boy said, no.

ZARRELLA: From that day on, Cheryl's life was changed.

CHERYL: After the murder, it was gut-wrenching, debilitating, life-altering fear.

ZARRELLA: At home, she added locks to every door, but still couldn't sleep.

CHERYL: I caught naps at doctors' office appointments, and you know, when friends came to visit. I would sit there and sleep. And I slept every day on my lunch hour when I was at work.

ZARRELLA: And she had a 5-year-old, Phillip, to worry about.

CHERYL: Although I felt a lot of need to protect him at the time, I never stopped to sit down and say, are you scared?

PHILLIP, CHERYL'S SON: I feel now that I was in danger, maybe.

ZARRELLA: Phillip is 33 now and lives in New York, willing to show his face but not share his last name.

PHILLIP: (UNINTELLIGIBLE) comprehend (UNINTELLIGIBLE), but more so I feel thankful that my mother didn't get killed.

ZARRELLA: Cheryl and her old roommate Judy have talked since the arrest. Both think they might have known Dennis Rader 30 years ago, but neither can place him.

But more than anything else, Cheryl is haunted by that picture of a mother and child BTK showed to Shirley Vian's boy.

(on camera): What are the kinds of questions that are still unanswered out there that you want answers to? CHERYL: I want to know who the picture was of, and if indeed it was of me and my son. And if I was the original victim, I want to know how he knew me and why I was the victim.

ZARRELLA: Cheryl says if that picture was of her and her son, it would change how she's felt all these years.

CHERYL: I've never felt or allowed myself to feel any guilt about Shirley Vian's death. At that point, I absolutely would.

ZARRELLA: Did Shirley Vian die because Cheryl wasn't home, or was Cheryl never the intended victim? Has she lived needlessly in fear for three decades? Cheryl understands she may never know without a shadow of doubt who the target was on the Hydraulic Street in the spring of 1977.

John Zarrella, CNN, in South Florida.

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COOPER: Well, at the top of the hour, "PAULA ZAHN NOW" will have a lot more on the BTK case. Paula joins us with a preview -- Paula.

PAULA ZAHN, HOST, "PAULA ZAHN NOW": Thanks, Anderson. Welcome back. And tonight, now that there is a suspect in the BTK killings, how many cold cases are heating up? We're going to take a look at that. We'll be talking with the husband of a woman murdered years ago. Her case unsolved, now being reopened. I'm going to ask him if he thinks BTK was responsible for his wife's death in Kansas.

And we'll have along an expert who will decipher the killer's own letters. It's interesting to look at some of the language. Anderson, I know you have seen some of the letters. It's absolutely fascinating what this killer was trying to communicate. All that and more at the top of the hour.

COOPER: And whether it was accurate or misleading or not.

ZAHN: Absolutely, very good point.

COOPER: Paula, thanks very much.

360 next, a world famous doctor turns himself into a human guinea pig, hoping to save his patients and maybe even his own life.

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COOPER: There's an injunction that must already have been old by the time it was quoted in the Bible, or it wouldn't have been called a proverb. The injunction is, "physician, heal thyself." From Dr. Sanjay Gupta now, the story of a physician who did not know until recently that that is precisely what he will now have to do.

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DR. SANJAY GUPTA, CNN SR. MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): As a doctor, Richard Olney has dedicated his life to caring for and caring about people with amyotrophic lateral sclerosis, or ALS. Most call it Lou Gehrig's disease.

In 1993, he founded the ALS Center at the University of San Francisco. He has written more than 50 scientific papers, many of them on ALS.

But now the neurologist is a patient himself. In June, he was diagnosed with the fatal disease, and he made the shocking discovery.

DR. RICHARD OLNEY, ALS PATIENT: The first clear neurological symptom was my right leg getting stiff and moving more slowly.

GUPTA: That was August of 2003. At first, his doctors thought it was a compressed disk. But after three operations, he was getting worse. It was then he says that he knew ALS was the likely culprit.

(on camera): It's a disease that causes nerve cells in the brain and spinal cord to degenerate. Muscles become weak and immobile. But the mind remains sharp. The intellect is unaffected. In 10 percent of cases, the cause is genetic. The other 90 percent, we just don't know, and there is no cure.

R. OLNEY: I was disappointed to have that diagnosis, but I was most concerned with how it would affect my wife and children.

GUPTA: Paula, his wife of 30 years, says she never thought it would happen to him.

PAULA OLNEY, HUSBAND HAS ALS: I couldn't believe it. He suspected that he had it sooner that it was called. And I said, no, no, you can't be right. You can't be. And he was.

GUPTA: Some patients live years with ALS, but for Olney, the disease is progressing very quickly. He had to retire from patient care a month after being diagnosed. But while it has slowed him down physically, he's still actively involved in research at the center, now run by a doctor he once mentored.

DR. CATHERINE LOMEN-HOERTH, UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA SAN FRANCISCO ALS CENTER: To have someone that we have known for so long develop this disease, particularly after all of his hard work with the disease, just was devastating.

GUPTA: Now, Olney spends his time in physical therapy while trying to get the word out about ALS. And as a final selfless act, he's the first human enrollee in a six-month clinical trial of his own design, using an AIDS drug and a cancer drug that have proven effective in slowing down the disease in mice. The twist, Olney doesn't know if he's on the drug or the placebo.

LOMEN-HOERTH: He is progressing quickly, and so to be willing to devote that six months to potentially be on a placebo is a really great sacrifice.

GUPTA: In the meantime, he spends time with his son Nick, and his daughter Amy. Both have moved back home, and he and Paula say they are at peace with what has come to pass.

P. OLNEY: We put one foot in front of the other. We don't -- we just take it one day at a time. We don't look too far forward. That's a little too scary.

GUPTA: And, as his voice gets weaker, he has recorded computerized messages for his family.

R. OLNEY: "I love you, Paula," -- who is my wife, or I have others that say, "I love you, Amy" -- my daughter -- or "I love you, Nick" -- my son.

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COOPER: And the toll, I mean, on the families is just so hard. When someone gets this disease, what is the prognosis? How long does it last?

GUPTA: It's not a very good prognosis. ALS, a typical lifespan can be up to five years, somewhere between two and five years. About 5,600 people die of ALS every year. A lot of people don't know enough about it, Anderson. A lot of people pay a lot more attention to MS, for example, because people live a normal lifespan with MS. But ALS is something that researchers are really starting to focus on.

COOPER: All right, Dr. Sanjay Gupta, thanks. Appreciate the story.

360 next, the suspected BTK killer behind bars. Well, BTK's reign of fear -- we take that to "The Nth Degree."

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COOPER: Finally tonight, taking fear to "The Nth Degree."

There's something startling about the face of the man accused of being the BTK killer, Dennis Rader. At first, I wasn't sure what it was, but the more looked at his face, in court today, in this mugshot, the more apparent it became.

The face of Dennis Rader is disturbing not because he looks like a killer, not because he looks like a sociopath. No, what is most disturbing is that Dennis Rader doesn't look like either of these things, or at least what killers and sociopaths are made to look like in Hollywood movies and "Lifetime" TV shows.

His is the face of the man in the crowd, the man on the train sitting across from you, reading a paper. He's your neighbor. He could be your co-worker.

Now, we don't know if Dennis Rader is guilty or innocent. He's yet to be tried, yet to mount his own defense. But the accusations are certainly terrible, and certainly someone out there did commit these crimes, someone who has escaped notice all these years. Someone who blends in, someone who is just a face in the crowd.

I'm Anderson Cooper. Thanks for watching 360. Prime-time continues now with Paula Zahn -- Paula.

ZAHN: Thanks so much, Anderson.

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ANDERSON COOPER, HOST: Good evening from New York. I'm Anderson Cooper.
A new look at the man accused of being the BTK killer, in court today for the first time.

360 starts now.

ANNOUNCER: After a 30-year reign of fear, the BTK suspect makes his first appearance in court.

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JUDGE GREGG WALKER, SEDGWICK COUNTY, KANSAS: Do you understand that you're charged with 10 counts of first-degree murder?

DENNIS RADER: Yes, sir.

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ANNOUNCER: Tonight, beyond the headlines, how one woman was targeted by BTK and lived to tell the tale.

A federal judge walks into her home to make a horrifying discovery.

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JAMES MALLOY, CHIEF OF DETECTIVES, CHICAGO POLICE: Judge Lefkow arrived home last night to find her mother and her husband slain in the basement.

ANNOUNCER: Tonight, is a white supremacist leader behind the brutal murders?

Day two in the Michael Jackson molestation trial. Emotional moments as Jackson cries in court. Plus, testimony from the prosecution's first witness, Martin Bashir, whose film launched the investigation.

A doctor who dedicated his life to care for patients stricken with Lou Gehrig's disease, now faced with the same fate. Tonight, his final act of selflessness, sacrificing his body in hopes of finding a cure. And lie detector tests. Are they really reliable? Tonight, are you a good liar? Take the 360 lying test and see if you could lie without batting an eye.

ANNOUNCER: Live from the CNN Broadcast Center in New York, this is ANDERSON COOPER 360.

COOPER: Hey, good evening to you. Thanks for joining us. Hope you've had a good day.

We begin tonight in Wichita, Kansas, where, for 31 years, three letters alone, BTK, attached neither to a name, nor a face, nor even a description, were enough all by themselves to create a toxic fog of menace and fear. But that all changed with the arrest of Dennis Rader, who, today, made his first appearance before of a judge on closed-circuit TV.

CNN's Bob Franken is covering the case.

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BOB FRANKEN, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): It was a routine court proceeding, but hardly a routine case.

JUDGE GREGG WALKER, SEDGWICK COUNTY, KANSAS: Do you understand that you're charged with 10 counts of first-degree murder?

DENNIS RADER: Yes, sir.

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FRANKEN: Dennis Rader was having his official first appearance to answer for killings that terrorized Wichita for more than three decades. Police say he was the one who sent taunting letters in which he had named himself BTK, for bind, torture, and kill.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: BTK is arrested.

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FRANKEN: But several defense lawyers in Wichita say the police chief's comments on Saturday were so incendiary that there should be a change of venue.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He was convicted on Saturday morning at around 11:00 by a statement made by the chief of police. That was the worst thing I've experienced in -- as a defense lawyer in 47 years.

FRANKEN: The police chief refused comment, and the district attorney brushed it off.

NOLA POULSTON, 18TH JUDICIAL DISTRICT ATTORNEY: I do not believe it will be a problem when we try this case.

FRANKEN: There's been no comment from Rader's newly appointed public defender.

WALKER: All right, I'm going to set this case for 9:00 in the morning on March 15. Bond will be in the amount of $10 million. Based upon your request for a court-appointed lawyer, I'm going to appoint the public defender's office to represent you in this matter. Should the case proceed to sentencing, it will be assigned to Division Five (UNINTELLIGIBLE).

Thank you very much.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Thank you, sir.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

FRANKEN: Lawyers warn that that court date could slip quite a bit, because the notoriety of this case, Anderson, is a problem for the prosecution and defense, Anderson.

COOPER: So fascinating to see that video image of him for the first time. Bob Franken, thanks very much for that.

We're going to have more later this evening on 360, another angle on the BTK killings, this one almost impossible to imagine. We're going to bring you the story of a woman who is sure, convinced, that one night, the bind, torture, and kill murderer came looking for her. That's later on 360.

Police in Chicago are investigating the execution-style murders of the husband and mother of a federal court judge, a judge who was once marked for death by a white supremacist.

CNN's Keith Oppenheim is on the case.

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KEITH OPPENHEIM, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): In the alley of a three-story home on Chicago's North Side, police searched through the trash. They're looking for anything that might explain what happened before U.S. District Judge Joan Humphrey Lefkow came home Monday evening.

JAMES MALLOY, CHIEF OF DETECTIVES, CHICAGO POLICE: Judge Lefkow arrived home last night shortly after 5:30 p.m. to find her mother and her husband slain in the basement.

OPPENHEIM: Her mother, Dorothy Humphrey, was 89. Her husband, attorney Michael Lefkow, was 64. Both died from gunshot wounds.

While the family and neighbors are traumatized, the idea that the Judge Lefkow or her family could be targeted was, in fact, not new.

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MATT HALE, WHITE SUPREMACIST: I will be the person who helps lead the white race to its resurrection.

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OPPENHEIM: Matt Hale is a white supremacist. In 2000, Judge Lefkow ruled that Hale's white racist organization, the World Church of the Creator, change its name because another church trademarked it. When Hale refused, the judge imposed a $200,000 fine. Hale was then arrested, and last year convicted, for soliciting others to kill Judge Lefkow.

In fact, around the time of the trial, Lefkow's home was temporarily guarded by U.S. marshals. Since the conviction, Hale has been behind bars. And investigators made a point to say that any connection between Hale, hate groups, and these murders has yet to be established.

MALLOY: This is but one facet of our investigation. We are looking in many, many directions, but it would be far too early to draw any definitive links.

OPPENHEIM: On the street where Judge Lefkow lived, neighbors mourned.

GEORGE PLENSENER, NEIGHBOR: Why anything like this had to happen to such a gracious couple like them, I don't know.

OPPENHEIM: At this point, neither do investigators. But they have created a task force, a mix of FBI, U.S. marshals, and Chicago police working two round-the-clock shifts to find out.

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OPPENHEIM: Anderson, joining you live now from the neighborhood in the crime scene. And neighbors here say that Judge Lefkow yesterday was crying in the street, being consoled by police. Judge Lefkow and her husband have four daughters, a family that's trying to understand what case or what connection to the judge's job, if any, could explain this brutal double murder.

Anderson, back to you.

COOPER: All right, Keith, Keith, thanks very much. Appreciate it.

That this mysterious double murder is getting a lot of attention on the Internet today.

360's Rudi Bakhtiar has been following the story being, story in cyberspace, and as she does every night, brings us another angle on this story, a story angle you won't see anywhere else. Rudi?

RUDI BAKHTIAR, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Yes, Anderson, we've been following this story pretty closely. It's been a big story on CNN.com all day. And even though officials are saying that they don't know who is responsible for the murder of the family members of this judge, we were looking into the one person who actually wanted her murdered, and we found a lot about him, and the group that he was heading up.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Blacks, Jews, hate them?

HALE: Yes, we hate them.

BAKHTIAR (voice-over): And hate is what Matthew Hale is all about. The white supremacist who put stickers of Hitler on his wall has been head of the World Church of the Creator since the mid-'90s.

HALE: No court has the power or the right to order the burning of Bibles.

BAKHTIAR: But when Judge Joan Lefkow ordered his group to change the name on its Web site and Bibles, Hale sued her, and was convicted of soliciting someone to murder her.

So what was called the World Church of the Creator is now known as Creativity Movement. It was founded back in 1973 by Ben Klassen, who committed suicide in 1993.

The Creativity Movement's motto is RAHOWA, which means racial holy war. According to the Anti-Defamation League, it boasts more than 30 affiliated Web sites, with a worldwide following primarily of young white males.

Creativity Movement considers all Jews and nonwhites natural enemies of the white people.

As for Matthew Hale, he was born back in 1971 and has reportedly been a racist since the young age of 12. He earned a law degree from Southern Illinois University and was denied a license to practice law in Illinois.

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BAKHTIAR: And I think, Anderson, it's really important to say again here that officials have not linked Hale to the murders of the family of this judge in particular. We need to stress this.

COOPER: Right, he's behind bars right now.

How many people belong to this -- what I guess used to be called World Church of the Creators, now the Creativity Movement?

BAKHTIAR: We were really trying to figure that out, making calls, going on the Web. It's very hard to figure out. But they're definitely intricately involved in the network. They have 30 different sites...

COOPER: They want you to believe they have a huge following.

BAKHTIAR: They want you believe that. And they're worldwide, which shocks me. They're in Poland, they're in Russia, South Africa, Austria, Belgium. They're all over the United States.

And what's different about this particular group is, is, that they actually don't exclude women and children. Even though they don't think women are equal, they like to keep them involved. They have chapters for them.

They also recruit children on Web sites. They have games that they can play to, you know, for example, they'll give them clues like, The blank are the deadliest enemies of the white race. And the answer is, Jews. And, you know, little games that even children can play to learn more...

COOPER: Charming...

BAKHTIAR: ... about this group.

COOPER: ... charming people. Great. Rudi Bakhtiar, thanks very much.

Some 70 people on death row, criminals before they could even vote, may now be able to live out the rest of their lives. Today the nation's highest court, in a five-to-four ruling, declared it is unconstitutional to execute anyone for a crime committed before that person turned 18.

And while the decision changes the future for those criminals, it also impacts the families of their victims.

CNN's Jeanne Meserve takes us beyond the headlines with the story of a family who've lost a son to a teenager murderer.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You are convicted of capital murder and sentenced to death.

JEANNE MESERVE, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Texas court said Michael Anthony Lopez should die for his crimes. Now, the U.S. Supreme Court says he will not, because he was only 17 when he committed murder.

Janet and Bill Green find it hard to stomach.

BILL GREEN, FATHER OF MURDERED OFFICER: Our son was just 25 years old. Each day that Michael Lopez draws a breath of fresh air is a breath of fresh air that our son will not be able to breathe. Each sunup, sundown that he sees is one that our son will not be able to see.

MESERVE: The man they raised as their son, Michael Eken (ph). In 1998, he was a deputy constable in Harris County, Texas. The 17- year-old Lopez, high on paint thinner, shot and killed him during a traffic stop.

JANET GREEN, MOTHER OF MURDERED OFFICER: This sort of decision today just brings it back full tilt and reminds us of the loss.

MESERVE: And despite what the Supreme Court says, Bill Green wants Lopez executed. BILL GREEN: Personally, I would do it in a second. I -- should the executioner that day be sick or ill, and if anybody was called by a show of hands that would like to volunteer, I'd do it in a second.

MESERVE: The Lopez family was distraught when Michael Anthony Lopez was sentenced to die. Now that he will live, one of the lawyers who represented him is expressing thanks. Stanley Schneider says, "It is a long time coming. It brings the U.S., and Texas especially, in line with the rest of the world.'

MESERVE: But for Janet and Bill Green, this isn't about international norms or even the future of Michael Lopez. It is about another young man whose future was lost.

Jeanne Meserve, CNN, Washington.

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COOPER: Well, those secretly made tapes of President Bush are now in the hands of his lawyer. That story tops our look at news right now cross-country.

In Washington, D.C., Doug Wead, former political ally of the president, handed over the tapes, just like he said he would right here on 360 last week. He recorded Mr. Bush while he was governor of Texas. On the tapes, the now-president appears to acknowledge past drug use. Wead released them as he promoted his new book. Now he says he regrets that move. No word on what President Bush will do with the tapes.

Salt Lake City, Utah, a legal battle to medicate this woman. Remember her, Wanda Barzee? Prosecutors say that will make her competent if they medicate her to stand trial on charges she and her husband kidnapped Elizabeth Smart back in June of 2002. Smart and the two defendants were found nine months later. Barzi's lawyer plans to fight the request.

Back in Washington, new research shows that more young drivers across America are yakking away on their cell phones. According to a federal study, 8 percent of drivers between the ages of 16 and 24 used handheld cell phones last summer. That's an increase of 3 percent from two years before. Officials are fearing the rise is going to lead to more car accidents.

That's a quick look at stories right now cross-country.

Coming up next on 360, a Texas shootout, the 911 tapes. An angry father goes on a rampage at a courthouse. Hear for yourself as it unfolded.

Plus, Michael Jackson in his own words. Jurors watch the documentary that raised eyebrows around the world. That was the scene. Will that scene come back to haunt him? That's the question they're trying to figure out.

Also tonight, the man suspected of being the BTK serial killer. You're going to meet one woman who says she escaped a brush with death.

All that ahead. First, (UNINTELLIGIBLE) your picks, the most popular stories on CNN right now.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Automatic weapon. He is at the back door, shooting at these people.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Ma'am, hold on.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Oh, my gosh, they're still shooting...

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK, OK...

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I'm on the...

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Oh, my God.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He's killing somebody right now.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK, we (UNINTELLIGIBLE)...

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COOPER: Sheer terror caught on security and 911 tapes, just released by police, allowing us to see firsthand and hear Thursday's deadly shooting spree outside a Tyler, Texas, courthouse. As we told you last week, David Hernandez Arroyo ambushed his ex-wife outside the building, killing her with a semiautomatic rifle. Another man had rushed there with his own gun to try to stop Arroyo's rampage. He too was killed.

Heidi Collins is here with more on the shootings and the newly released tapes. What did we learn today?

HEIDI COLLINS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Yes, they're amazing. I mean, as if the story wasn't frightening enough just hearing about it, but now, seeing this, seeing these tapes, shows how exactly chilling this scene really was, how shocked everyone was to see this man open fire in broad daylight, and in front of a courthouse, nonetheless, unfazed by anyone who tried to get in his way.

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(BEGIN AUDIO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Tyler 911.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: There's an emergency at the courthouse, (UNINTELLIGIBLE) shot...

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK, we got TV on the way...

(END AUDIO CLIP)

COLLINS (voice-over): Surveillance tapes showed the confusion outside the county courthouse in Tyler's town square. At the same time, frantic callers were dialing 911, desperate for help.

(BEGIN AUDIO CLIPS)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: 911, do you have emergency for police, fire, ambulance?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Police.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What happened, ma'am?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Fire shots at the courthouse on North Spring Street.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: On North -- OK...

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: ... do you see anything?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes. I can't hear you.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Did you see anything?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: There's a policemen coming out the back door. I think one might have been hit. He's on the ground.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Somebody's on the ground?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Several people down.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK, at the courthouse...

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (UNINTELLIGIBLE)...

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: ... someone fire shots, someone on the ground.

(END AUDIO CLIPS)

COLLINS: The gunman, David Hernandez Arroyo, Sr., opened fire, killing his ex-wife, wounding his son and three law enforcement officers. Police say he was angry about being sued for unpaid child support.

As his victims fell to the ground or dove for cover, the terrifying calls kept coming in, witnesses doing their best to help.

(BEGIN AUDIO CLIPS)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Do you know what street it's on? UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I think they're on the side that's facing, like...

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Like Spring, or (UNINTELLIGIBLE)...

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No...

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: ... Irwin, (UNINTELLIGIBLE)...

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They're facing, like, Ferguson, on that side.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: On Ferguson side?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: But not the side facing the black -- the big, tall black building, the other -- Oh, my gosh. They're still shooting.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And one is wearing a black jacket, a black pants. The other one...

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Oh, my god!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Maroon truck, and he's getting in the truck now, backing out.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Backing out in the maroon truck.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He's killing somebody right now.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK, we got them on the way. (UNINTELLIGIBLE), which way is he going?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He's going -- he's coming toward the Regent's Bank Building.

(END AUDIO CLIPS)

COLLINS: Arroyo fled, but his shooting spree did not end. He shot and killed another man, Mark Allen Wilson, who shot at Arroyo to protect the gunman's son and paid with his life, one last killing before Arroyo himself was brought down by police.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

COLLINS: Just incredible pictures to see there.

We also want to update you on what will happen to the children in all of this. And there are three to talk about. Twenty-three-year- old David Arroyo, Jr., who was shot in the leg by his father, is still in the hospital tonight. He is in fair condition.

And two other children, a 6-year-old and a 17-year-old, are now living with their grandparents. They are the parents of Marybelle (ph) Estrada, who is Arroyo's ex-wife and his first shooting victim. She died in front of the courthouse, Anderson. COOPER: Heidi Collins, thanks very much.

360 next, a 9-year-old girl vanishes from her own bed, and police run out of leads. Is someone lying about their involvement? That's the question tonight.

And we want to look at lies tonight, and whether you would be able to tell if someone is lying. Tonight, you can take our 360 quiz on truth and deception. You can take it at home, find out if you can tell when someone is lying. That's ahead later tonight.

Also ahead, a close brush with death, the suspected BTK serial killer. You're going to meet one woman who says she escaped his grip.

And a little later tonight, the Michael Jackson trial. His own words used against him in court. We're covering all the angles.

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COOPER: Tonight in Homosassa Springs, Florida, a family is holding onto hope that 9-year-old Jessica Marie Lunsford will come home. Police say they still have no solid leads as to why she disappeared last week.

Today, a state-trained search and rescue team scoured the area near the girl's home after the volunteer search was called off. Police also had the girl's father, Mark Lunsford, undergo lie detector tests. They say the results showed, quote, "nothing alarming." The girl's grandfather will take a polygraph next week.

OK, police will likely be interviewing a lot of people as they try to figure out exactly what happened Lunsford using all kinds of tools to determine whether anyone is lying. Police routinely use lie detector tests, but often people refuse to submit to them.

So we wondered if there really is any way you can tell if someone's lying without using all that equipment.

Our next guest has that answer. Stan Walters, also known as the Lie Guy, is the author of "The Truth About Lying: How to Spot a Lie and Protect Yourself from Deception." He joins us from Richmond, Virginia, with some actual interrogation clips.

Stan, thanks very much for being with us.

STAN WALTERS, AUTHOR, "THE TRUTH ABOUT LYING": Glad to be with you again, Anderson.

COOPER: We've got three video clips that we want to play for our viewers tonight. And they're, our viewers at home can actually watch these clips, listen to what the people are saying, and try to judge for themselves whether people are lying. I haven't seen the clips. I don't know if the people are lying or telling the truth. I'll be taking the quiz as long.

So let's play the first clip. And the description of what, what it is, in the first one, a man is accused of burglary. He is asked by an interrogator how he knows which drugstore was hit. Let's watch.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How did you know what drugstore to hit?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Random. It's probably (UNINTELLIGIBLE).

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well, anybody of a particular size, or the type of drugs?

(END VIDEO CLIP)

COOPER: Now, Stan, I mean, it's not much to go on. As you're looking at that, I would guess he's lying just because he's kind of, seems shifty and kind of did the shoulder shrug and seemed kind of fake. But I don't know.

WALTERS: You (UNINTELLIGIBLE), you got that one right. And you got a 50-50 chance. And most people missed that cue. You picked one of them right. Did you see the body had that sudden move away from the interviewer at that time he asked the question? That's an away or an aversion behavior, which we've found is a common cue. And did you notice also that his hand went up over his face at that point? That's a negation signal, or neutralizing, or, like, masking. That's also a deception signal.

So the two of them together, a cluster, gives you pretty high reliability that's probably a deceptive answer.

COOPER: Interesting, the old hand over the face thing.

WALTERS: Yes, kind of like, (UNINTELLIGIBLE) kind of like the Freud's three monkeys that are hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil.

COOPER: OK, well, I'm no longer going to do this, then.

WALTERS: (UNINTELLIGIBLE).

COOPER: Let's move, let's move, let's move on to the second clip. This man is accused of murder. The interrogator asks if he shot the victim three times in the back and one time in the head. Let's take a look.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You put three in his back and one in his head.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I don't know. I don't, see, I don't know. I don't know. See, I couldn't see him. It was dark. (UNINTELLIGIBLE) hit him when he was (UNINTELLIGIBLE), how I shot him in the head when it was dark, I couldn't see him at all. It was dark.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

WALTERS: OK, how about that one?

COOPER: I, well, I'm going to go, I'm going to go, since he's doing the hand in front of the face thing, I'm going to go with that, and a lot of the shrugging. It seemed kind of phony to me.

WALTERS: Good. OK, you got the hand to the face. That's good negation. Did you notice he said, I don't know? There's a memory lapse. That's one of our common cues that people use. They have convenient memory failures with critical issues. So again, we have a cluster. We have a memory lapse and we have another mask or negation (UNINTELLIGIBLE). So you have, the answer is, (UNINTELLIGIBLE), you have a deceptive response from that subject.

COOPER: But wouldn't the guy say, I don't know? I mean, what's wrong with saying, I don't know? That, I don't get.

WALTERS: Well, in this case, you have a combination of cues. If it's sitting out there by itself, random symptoms don't mean anything.

COOPER: I see.

WALTERS: People accidentally do cues. But this one, in combination with the hand on the face, is a cluster consistent with somebody withholding details.

COOPER: OK, last video on our test, finally, the third clip, this guy is accused of serial rape. The interrogator asks if some photos appear to be incriminating. Let's look.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (UNINTELLIGIBLE) appear to be incriminating?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No, not based off of their testimony, no. But it turned out to be incriminating. But if you would listen to the version of the story (UNINTELLIGIBLE), the pictures wouldn't match what they said (UNINTELLIGIBLE).

(END VIDEO CLIP)

WALTERS: OK, that's a tough one. There's a lot in that one. (UNINTELLIGIBLE)...

COOPER: I'd say he's telling the truth, but I don't know why I think that.

WALTERS: No, it's deceptive. It's another one. In that 13 seconds, that subject gives 12 behaviors of stress and deception. You have, again, a multiple no answer. He says No, no. You see the aversion, the interviewer asks the question, suddenly his head turns away from the interviewer. We have the hand to the mouth again. Then we have, but, no, not based on testimony, but turns out to be (UNINTELLIGIBLE), but, and that's a disqualifying statement.

So that's enormous cluster consistent with being deceptive about those photographs. COOPER: All right, a fascinating test. Dan Walters, thanks very much, appreciate it.

WALTERS: Thanks, good to be with you again, Anderson.

COOPER: All right.

ANNOUNCER: After a 30-year reign of fear, the BTK suspect makes his first appearance in court.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

JUDGE GREGG WALKER, SEDGWICK COUNTY, KANSAS: Do you understand that you're charged with 10 counts of first-degree murder?

DENNIS RADER: Yes, sir.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

ANNOUNCER: Tonight, beyond the headlines, how one woman was targeted by BTK and lived to tell the tale.

And day two in the Michael Jackson molestation trial. Emotional moments as Jackson cries in court. Plus, testimony from the prosecution's first witness, Martin Bashir, whose film launched the investigation.

360 continues.

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COOPER: Michael Jackson cries in court. Find out what struck a nerve. We're covering all the angles. 360 next.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There was one night (UNINTELLIGIBLE), and I asked if I could stay in the bedroom. He let me stay in the bedroom. I was like, Michael, you can sleep in the bed. He was like, no, no, you sleep in the bed. Sleep with me. I was like, no, no, you sleep in the bed. And then he finally said, OK, if you love me, you'll sleep in the bed. I was like, oh, man. So, I finally slept on the bed. It was fun that night.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

COOPER: Yes, (UNINTELLIGIBLE), he slept on the floor. Today, the jury deciding the fate of Michael Jackson sat in a Santa Maria courtroom, saw that clip from the British version of the documentary, that put the bizarre private life of the singer in full public view. The British journalist who made that film, Martin Bashir, took the stand today as the prosecutions first witness, but not before the defense attorney finished his opening statement with a blistering attack of his own. It was a day that reportedly left Michael Jackson in tears.

CNN's Ted Rowlands has the latest from the courthouse.

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TED ROWLANDS, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): According to observers, Michael Jackson wept in court while watching video of himself dangling his infant son over a hotel balcony in Germany.

MICHAEL CARDOZA, LEGAL ANALYST: He reached for a tissue paper, dabbed his eyes, dabbed his nose, a number of times. That went on for about 10 minutes. Though he had very much of an emotion reaction.

ROWLANDS: Jurors were shown the British documentary "Living With Michael Jackson." This is a version shown in the United States on ABC, jurors saw a slightly different version aired in Europe. While Jackson may have wept during some of the documentary, at the beginning of it, he seemed up beat, moving back and forth in his chair to his music.

STEVE CARBETT, "SANTA MARIA TIMES": "Thriller," he move, he nodded, he bopped. "Billy Jean," he moved, he nodded, he -- he seemed enthralled and somewhat disconnected with the fact that he's on trial for a very, very serious, serious crime.

ROWLANDS: The first prosecution witness was Martin Bashir who produced the documentary. In a contentious exchange during cross examination, Bashir refused to answer a number of questions from Jackson's attorney, Thomas Mesereau, citing the California Shield Law, which give journalist the right not to answer certain questions.

Before the documentary was played, the defense finished opening statements. Defense Attorney, Thomas Mesereau, told jurors that investigators couldn't find any of the victim's DNA in Jackson's room at his Neverland Ranch saying, that proves there was no abuse. Mesereau spent most of his time hammering away at the victim's mother, insinuation, she's behind the sexual molestation accusations. Mesereau said the mother turned against Michael Jackson only after she realized he wasn't going to support her and her family. Mesereau told jurors, "When she realized she couldn't make millions one way, she looked for another way, and here we all."

When levering the courthouse, Jackson had this to say when asked by reporters how are you as feeling.

MICHAEL JACKSON, ENTERTAINER: Angry.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

ROWLANDS: At one point today, Jackson's attorney, Thomas Mesereau, seemed to indicate to jurors, that Jackson will take the stand at one point. He said Michael Jackson will tell you he had a bad feeling. We're talking about this family. Clearly, indicating to jurors that Jackson may, at one point, take the stand here. Obviously, that will be a decision that is made once the defense starts their case -- Anderson. COOPER: Ted Rowlands, thanks for that. Appreciate it.

CNN senior legal analyst, Jeffrey Toobin, was inside the courthouse all day. He joins us now from Santa Maria, California.

Jeff, thanks for being with us.

Is Michael Jackson really going to take the stand?

JEFFREY TOOBIN, CNN SENIOR LEGAL ANALYST CORRESPONDENT: Boy, I was -- I really sort of jumped when Tom Mesereau said that in court twice. He said Michael Jackson will tell you. It's possible.

COOPER: It could be a figure of speech, though.

TOOBIN: It could be, and it was less than an iron clad commitments. Based on everything I have seen, and just a pattern here, I think it would be extremely unlikely that he will take the witness stand, especially because he has such a defensible case here without taking the stand himself.

COOPER: The jury saw the entire documentary on Jackson today. The documentary that really started it all. It shows him holding the hand of his alleged victim. As the jurors watched it, how did they respond.

TOOBIN: Well, you know, it was one of the weirdest things I've ever seen in a court room. Because you know, he's in a courtroom. You have strict rules of evidence, about what can be said, and hearsay, and here you have this crazy TV show played for the jurors. And you know, the jurors were laughing at parts of it, when Martin Bashir tried to dance along with Michael, they were laughing.

Everybody seemed to enjoy the music. Michael was tapping his feet, a lot of people in the audience were tapping their feet. But you know, I think, on balance, it wasn't as incriminating as I remember it. There -- of course, is this part at the end, where Jackson is with the boy who is the accuser in this case. And he says he thinks it's appropriate to sleep in the same room with boys. But repeatedly, he does says there was no sexual contact, that this was not sexual thing. So on balance, it wasn't as incriminating as I remembered it.

COOPER: The defense admitted, though, that Jackson reads, I think what they refer to as, girly magazines, which is sort of a 1950s term, I think. But I think the girly magazines are "Hustler" and "Playboy." I guess -- I mean, very important for them to do that, since I guess that's going to be introduced into evidence later on, anyway.

TOOBIN: Right, and Michael Jackson's fingerprints are on the magazines, so they can't very well deny it. But what he did say, and this is one of the times he said, Michael Jackson will tell you, that he caught his accuser and his brother sneaking into his stash of girly magazines. So the defense's explanation is going to be, he didn't give the magazines to the kids, they took them without his permission. COOPER: The -- I mean, a lot of this will boil down to time line. The time line of this. The accusation is that it's after that documentary aired that the molestation occurred.

TOOBIN: And that was one of the most effective parts of Tom Mesereau's opening, I thought. Because here he said, look, the defense claims that this documentary sent Michael Jackson into a tizzy, a frenzy of preparations. You know, he hired lawyers, he hired P.R. people, the D.A. was investigation, the county was investigating, it is only then, according the prosecution, that he starts abusing this boy. It does seem peculiar. Now it's not impossible. But it is certainly odd, that Michael Jackson, having spent years with this kid, would suddenly start abusing him at the moment he becomes a suspect.

COOPER: All right. Jeffrey Toobin, thanks very much. We're going to hear a lot about that time line later on. Thanks, Jeffrey.

360 next, the BTK suspect in court. Tonight, we take you beyond the headlines. Here from a woman who says, she was one of the lucky ones who got away from his grasp.

And a little later, a doctor who helped those fighting a deadly disease, finds himself in the same fight. He has the same disease he has been treating people with all these years. He's now effectively a medical guinea pig, hoping to save his life and others.

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COOPER: That's Dennis Rader again as he appeared today on closed-circuit television before a judge in Kansas. Ten people died at the hands of the BTK killer, perhaps as many as 13. Whatever the actual number turns out to be, there's a woman who is sure the toll was supposed to have been higher, by one at least, because she has reason to believe that on a certain day years ago she was an intended victim of the BTK killer. CNN's John Zarrella takes us tonight "Beyond the Headlines."

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JOHN ZARRELLA, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Cheryl does not want you to know what she looks like today. Perhaps more precisely, she does not want him to know.

CHERYL: After living with 28 years of fear, there's still a little portion of me that's not ready to let it all go.

ZARRELLA: All those years, Cheryl -- she also asked us not to use her last name -- has believed she might have been an intended victim of BTK. Her emotions now are understandable as they swing between cautious hope and elation.

(on camera): What was your reaction when they announced that they'd caught him?

CHERYL: At the moment when they announced, we do have the BTK...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The bottom line, BTK is arrested.

CHERYL: ... I just -- the flood gates of emotion just were opened, and I actually -- I just was so overcome with emotion that all day, I was physically ill. I thought I was going to throw up.

ZARRELLA (voice-over): In 1977, Cheryl, a single mother with a 5-year-old son, lived with a roommate on Hydraulic Street in Wichita. One spring day, she came home from work to find a mother of three, Shirley Vian, a neighbor, had been murdered. One of Vian's children told police the murderer had been to another house first.

CHERYL: The little boy had talked to the murderer before he came to her house, and the little boy told the police that he had seen the man go to my house and knock on my door.

ZARRELLA: And there was more.

CHERYL: My understanding was was that the man showed the little boy a picture of a woman and a child and said, do you know these people? And the little boy said, no.

ZARRELLA: From that day on, Cheryl's life was changed.

CHERYL: After the murder, it was gut-wrenching, debilitating, life-altering fear.

ZARRELLA: At home, she added locks to every door, but still couldn't sleep.

CHERYL: I caught naps at doctors' office appointments, and you know, when friends came to visit. I would sit there and sleep. And I slept every day on my lunch hour when I was at work.

ZARRELLA: And she had a 5-year-old, Phillip, to worry about.

CHERYL: Although I felt a lot of need to protect him at the time, I never stopped to sit down and say, are you scared?

PHILLIP, CHERYL'S SON: I feel now that I was in danger, maybe.

ZARRELLA: Phillip is 33 now and lives in New York, willing to show his face but not share his last name.

PHILLIP: (UNINTELLIGIBLE) comprehend (UNINTELLIGIBLE), but more so I feel thankful that my mother didn't get killed.

ZARRELLA: Cheryl and her old roommate Judy have talked since the arrest. Both think they might have known Dennis Rader 30 years ago, but neither can place him.

But more than anything else, Cheryl is haunted by that picture of a mother and child BTK showed to Shirley Vian's boy.

(on camera): What are the kinds of questions that are still unanswered out there that you want answers to? CHERYL: I want to know who the picture was of, and if indeed it was of me and my son. And if I was the original victim, I want to know how he knew me and why I was the victim.

ZARRELLA: Cheryl says if that picture was of her and her son, it would change how she's felt all these years.

CHERYL: I've never felt or allowed myself to feel any guilt about Shirley Vian's death. At that point, I absolutely would.

ZARRELLA: Did Shirley Vian die because Cheryl wasn't home, or was Cheryl never the intended victim? Has she lived needlessly in fear for three decades? Cheryl understands she may never know without a shadow of doubt who the target was on the Hydraulic Street in the spring of 1977.

John Zarrella, CNN, in South Florida.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

COOPER: Well, at the top of the hour, "PAULA ZAHN NOW" will have a lot more on the BTK case. Paula joins us with a preview -- Paula.

PAULA ZAHN, HOST, "PAULA ZAHN NOW": Thanks, Anderson. Welcome back. And tonight, now that there is a suspect in the BTK killings, how many cold cases are heating up? We're going to take a look at that. We'll be talking with the husband of a woman murdered years ago. Her case unsolved, now being reopened. I'm going to ask him if he thinks BTK was responsible for his wife's death in Kansas.

And we'll have along an expert who will decipher the killer's own letters. It's interesting to look at some of the language. Anderson, I know you have seen some of the letters. It's absolutely fascinating what this killer was trying to communicate. All that and more at the top of the hour.

COOPER: And whether it was accurate or misleading or not.

ZAHN: Absolutely, very good point.

COOPER: Paula, thanks very much.

360 next, a world famous doctor turns himself into a human guinea pig, hoping to save his patients and maybe even his own life.

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COOPER: There's an injunction that must already have been old by the time it was quoted in the Bible, or it wouldn't have been called a proverb. The injunction is, "physician, heal thyself." From Dr. Sanjay Gupta now, the story of a physician who did not know until recently that that is precisely what he will now have to do.

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DR. SANJAY GUPTA, CNN SR. MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): As a doctor, Richard Olney has dedicated his life to caring for and caring about people with amyotrophic lateral sclerosis, or ALS. Most call it Lou Gehrig's disease.

In 1993, he founded the ALS Center at the University of San Francisco. He has written more than 50 scientific papers, many of them on ALS.

But now the neurologist is a patient himself. In June, he was diagnosed with the fatal disease, and he made the shocking discovery.

DR. RICHARD OLNEY, ALS PATIENT: The first clear neurological symptom was my right leg getting stiff and moving more slowly.

GUPTA: That was August of 2003. At first, his doctors thought it was a compressed disk. But after three operations, he was getting worse. It was then he says that he knew ALS was the likely culprit.

(on camera): It's a disease that causes nerve cells in the brain and spinal cord to degenerate. Muscles become weak and immobile. But the mind remains sharp. The intellect is unaffected. In 10 percent of cases, the cause is genetic. The other 90 percent, we just don't know, and there is no cure.

R. OLNEY: I was disappointed to have that diagnosis, but I was most concerned with how it would affect my wife and children.

GUPTA: Paula, his wife of 30 years, says she never thought it would happen to him.

PAULA OLNEY, HUSBAND HAS ALS: I couldn't believe it. He suspected that he had it sooner that it was called. And I said, no, no, you can't be right. You can't be. And he was.

GUPTA: Some patients live years with ALS, but for Olney, the disease is progressing very quickly. He had to retire from patient care a month after being diagnosed. But while it has slowed him down physically, he's still actively involved in research at the center, now run by a doctor he once mentored.

DR. CATHERINE LOMEN-HOERTH, UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA SAN FRANCISCO ALS CENTER: To have someone that we have known for so long develop this disease, particularly after all of his hard work with the disease, just was devastating.

GUPTA: Now, Olney spends his time in physical therapy while trying to get the word out about ALS. And as a final selfless act, he's the first human enrollee in a six-month clinical trial of his own design, using an AIDS drug and a cancer drug that have proven effective in slowing down the disease in mice. The twist, Olney doesn't know if he's on the drug or the placebo.

LOMEN-HOERTH: He is progressing quickly, and so to be willing to devote that six months to potentially be on a placebo is a really great sacrifice.

GUPTA: In the meantime, he spends time with his son Nick, and his daughter Amy. Both have moved back home, and he and Paula say they are at peace with what has come to pass.

P. OLNEY: We put one foot in front of the other. We don't -- we just take it one day at a time. We don't look too far forward. That's a little too scary.

GUPTA: And, as his voice gets weaker, he has recorded computerized messages for his family.

R. OLNEY: "I love you, Paula," -- who is my wife, or I have others that say, "I love you, Amy" -- my daughter -- or "I love you, Nick" -- my son.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

COOPER: And the toll, I mean, on the families is just so hard. When someone gets this disease, what is the prognosis? How long does it last?

GUPTA: It's not a very good prognosis. ALS, a typical lifespan can be up to five years, somewhere between two and five years. About 5,600 people die of ALS every year. A lot of people don't know enough about it, Anderson. A lot of people pay a lot more attention to MS, for example, because people live a normal lifespan with MS. But ALS is something that researchers are really starting to focus on.

COOPER: All right, Dr. Sanjay Gupta, thanks. Appreciate the story.

360 next, the suspected BTK killer behind bars. Well, BTK's reign of fear -- we take that to "The Nth Degree."

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COOPER: Finally tonight, taking fear to "The Nth Degree."

There's something startling about the face of the man accused of being the BTK killer, Dennis Rader. At first, I wasn't sure what it was, but the more looked at his face, in court today, in this mugshot, the more apparent it became.

The face of Dennis Rader is disturbing not because he looks like a killer, not because he looks like a sociopath. No, what is most disturbing is that Dennis Rader doesn't look like either of these things, or at least what killers and sociopaths are made to look like in Hollywood movies and "Lifetime" TV shows.

His is the face of the man in the crowd, the man on the train sitting across from you, reading a paper. He's your neighbor. He could be your co-worker.

Now, we don't know if Dennis Rader is guilty or innocent. He's yet to be tried, yet to mount his own defense. But the accusations are certainly terrible, and certainly someone out there did commit these crimes, someone who has escaped notice all these years. Someone who blends in, someone who is just a face in the crowd.

I'm Anderson Cooper. Thanks for watching 360. Prime-time continues now with Paula Zahn -- Paula.

ZAHN: Thanks so much, Anderson.

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