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Hunting Eric Rudolph; 'New You Revolution'

Aired March 01, 2005 - 09:30   ET

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SOLEDAD O'BRIEN, CNN ANCHOR: Welcome back, everybody. Just about half past the hour on this AMERICAN MORNING. Authorities looking into a possible threat from the United States to two of the most wanted men in the world, Abu Musab Al Zarqawi and Osama Bin laden. We'll take a look this morning at what authorities have learned from a secret communique, and just how seriously they're taking that threat.
BILL HEMMER, CNN ANCHOR: Eric Robert Rudolph? Remember him? About to go on trial for bombings in the Southeast, but perhaps it was the man hunt that made his case so infamous. We'll talk with CNN senior producer Henry Schuster in a few moments about a new book on that investigation just out today, and ultimately why it took so long. We'll get to that in a moment.

O'BRIEN: Headlines first, though. Carol Costello sitting in with us.

Hello. Good morning.

CAROL COSTELLO, CNN ANCHOR: Good morning.

I just read a review about that book, and it's said to be very good. Yes, so congratulations over there.

Good morning, everyone.

Now in the news, the suspected BTK killer is expected to appear in court for the first time in less than three hours. Authorities say Dennis Rader can be linked to the killings of at least 10 people from 1974 and 1991. It's not clear yet if Rader has a lawyer.

Authorities in Florida say search dogs may be called in this morning to help look for that missing 9-year-old Jessica Lunsford. Police say the full-scale search for the girl is now over, and they're turning to child-abduction experts for help. Jessica was last seen Wednesday night when her grandmother put her to bed. These are new pictures, by the way, of the bedroom. Authorities are not calling the case an abduction at this point, but her father says he does believe Jessica was taken.

The Food and Drug Administration going under the microscope this hour. A Senate committee holding a hearing today, looking at whether the FDA is too quick to approve new drugs. The drug Vioxx will be a big part of discussions today. Manufacturer Merck pulled the arthritis amid fears it raised the chances of heart attacks and strokes. And out in California, Michael Jackson set to be back in court within three hours. His lawyer's expected to wrap up opening statements in his molestation trial. When proceedings start again in Santa Maria, British journalist Martin Bashir, who produced that documentary on Jackson, is expected to be the prosecution's first witness. And, oh, I would love to be in the courtroom for that one.

HEMMER: Did you hear Jeff and Soledad talking 20 minutes ago, all in day one.

O'BRIEN: We could go on for hours and it's only day one.

Lots to talk about. Carol, thanks.

O'BRIEN: An Al Qaeda message about possible attacks on the United States is in our CNN Security Watch this morning. Osama bin Laden is apparently directing Abu Musab Al Zarqawi to reach outside Iraq to conduct terrorism.

CNN's homeland security correspondent Jeanne Meserve in Washington for us this morning.

Jeanne, good morning.

JEANNE MESERVE, CNN HOMELAND SECURITY CORRESPONDENT: Good morning, Soledad.

The source of the intelligence, an intercepted communication believed to be from Osama bin Laden to Abu Musab Al Zarqawi, who has conducted scores of attacks inside Iraq. The communication urged Zarqawi to launch attacks outside Iraq, officials say. It did not mention the U.S. specifically, but that is the inference that analysts are making. Although it was not specific about the time, place or means of possible attack, officials characterize the information as credible, and it was enough for the Department of Homeland Security to issue a classified bulletin to its state and local partners last Friday.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

ASA HUTCHINSON, HOMELAND SECURITY UNDERSECRETARY: Whenever we get this kind of intelligence, we regularly share that with our homeland security advisers in the 50 states with local law enforcement, so they have the same information that we have, but whenever it is nonspecific, that means it's difficult to mount an operational response.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

MESERVE: DHS spokesman Brian Rorcast (ph) says based on this new information this are no plans to raise the nation's terror threat level -- Soledad.

O'BRIEN: Jeanne, any more information about the intercepting of this message? MESERVE: Well, officials say the intercept was made recently, and was made overseas, but we don't know what kind of communication it was. And although officials believe it was between these two men, they note that lines of communication often become, as they say, polluted. That is, other people begin to use them.

One knowledgeable former official says an intercept could be noteworthy, because Zarqawi is renowned for maintaining exceptionally good communications security. Is it one of the reasons he has not been apprehended -- Soledad.

O'BRIEN: Jeanne Meserve for us. Jeanne, thanks.

You want to stay tuned to CNN day and night for the most reliable news about your security -- Bill.

HEMMER: Eric Robert Rudolph may be one of the most notorious domestic terrorists ever. For five years, it's believed he hid from the FBI and local authorities in the mountains of North Carolina. A bit later this month, jury selection begins in his trial, the bombing of a clinic in Birmingham, Alabama. "Hunting for Eric Rudolph" hits bookstores today. Henry Schuster is the author. He's also a senior producer with us here at CNN.

Good to see you, Henry. Good morning to you.

HENRY SCHUSTER, CNN SR. PRODUCER: Good morning, Bill.

HEMMER: In addition to this story, you cover security matters for us quite often here at CNN. What are you to make of this communication between Zarqawi and Osama bin Laden?

SCHUSTER: The interesting thing is how did they know how to get in touch with each other than these public channels when they've had the public messages? And as important as the content of these messages is, what can be learned about finding either man? If they can intercept the message, can they trace it back to either Bin laden or Zarqawi?

HEMMER: And if you listen to different military officials, working on the Iraqi side or the American side in Iraq, they're saying sometimes they're just hours, if not days away, from finding Zarqawi.

SCHUSTER: From finding Zarqawi, but the hunt for Bin Laden, the trail seems to have gotten pretty cold.

HEMMER: Let's talk about the hunt for hunting Eric Rudolph. How was this man able to elude capture for five years?

SCHUSTER: It's a good question. The person who -- as I've learned, the person who spent the most time with him immediately after he was captured happened to be an investigator who had a lot of experience. He had gone to survival school for the Navy. He looked at Eric, and he said, you know, the story doesn't add up. He learned a lot about how he lived for the last few months. He learned a lot about the first year. Rudolph claimed it was a five-year camping trip, but when I talked to these investigators, they said, you know, he looked too good; his teethwork was too good.

HEMMER: So you're saying he got help. Do we know that?

SCHUSTER: Well, we know one person who gave him help, who ultimately went to the local sheriff, and that was six months after he started on the run.

What we don't know that vast area in the middle, whether people were looking the other way, whether they were putting things on the porch. The police closest to this, the local police out there, believe he had help. But so far, the only person that's claimed that she helped Eric Rudolph turned out to be somebody who hadn't. So there was a lot of suspicions, there are some very elaborate rumors, but so far, neither the FBI, nor the local police have been able to pin somebody.

HEMMER: You say this five-year manhunt should never have happened. What do you mean by that?

SCHUSTER: Well, if you look at the timeline, if the U.S. attorney in Birmingham had waited a couple of hours before going public, then they would have been on Eric Rudolph's doorstep. The agents were hunting him. As it turned out, when they were literally about half hour away from finding him, the FBI agent who was on the ground hunting for him, pulled up to one of Rudolph's friends houses, and the guy came here and said, oh, you must be here about Eric, I just saw it on CNN. The U.S. attorney down in Birmingham announced that they were looking for Eric Rudolph.

HEMMER: That was just minutes away.

SCHUSTER: Well, 15 minutes later they had Rudolph's address. The local sheriff said, I can go out and get him, but 30 minutes after that, he was gone.

HEMMER: In a bigger sense, this is what I'm curious about, there have been a lot of changes since 9/11 with the FBI. Have the changes that have been initiated in Washington, will they prevent an Eric Robert Rudolph from happening again in this country again?

SCHUSTER: You can't prevent a lone wolf, and the good news is there have been a number of arrests since 9/11. There was a man down in Florida who was arrested, and he's now in federal prison, and he said his aim was to be the next Eric Rudolph. He wanted to bomb some abortion clinics and go to the hills. This guy in Texas, a man named William Clark, who was arrested with sodium cyanide, he's now in federal prison as well. There's another guy in Oklahoma City, of all places, who was arrested after fire bombing a synagogue, and he apparently claimed that this was going to be first of 14 acts he was going to carry out.

So they are catching these lone wolves, but lone wolves, as Timothy McVeigh case pointed out, Eric Rudolph -- remember in Eric Rudolph's case, for 18 months they didn't know who this guy was. You know, after the Olympic Park bombings, after the bombings in Atlanta, they had no clue. It was only after the Birmingham bombing. HEMMER: It's called "Hunting Eric Rudolph." Congratulations to you on the book, and getting fine reviews, too.

SCHUSTER: Thank you.

HEMMER: Good to see you, Henry, Henry Schuster here in New York.

If you want to read more and excerpts from the book, head to our Web site right now in fact at CNN.com. Again, that book is out today.

Thanks, Henry.

(WEATHER REPORT)

HEMMER: Researchers may have found an odor that can get to you spend money. Wouldn't your husband love that? Andy's "Minding Your Business," tells us about it in a moment here.

O'BRIEN: And we're talking about the "New You Revolution." Today one participant comes up with a unique plan to quit smoking. A look at that's ahead on AMERICAN MORNING.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

HEMMER: We are getting close. Week seven of the "New You Revolution" today.

O'BRIEN: And Dr. Sanjay Gupta is at the CNN center.

Sanjay -- good morning to you.

SANJAY GUPTA, CNN MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT: Good morning.

O'BRIEN: It's the home stretch. How is everybody doing?

GUPTA: The people are doing very well. It's hard to believe two months have already come and gone. But all five appear to be well on their way to meeting their goals, which was breaking their bad health habits.

Now, for Leigh Ann, Jonathan and Sandra, there have been some unexpected developments.

LEIGH ANN RAYNOR, "NEW YOU" PARTICIPANT: My goal was to lose weight, to start exercising and to learn to cook.

GUPTA (voice over): But Leigh Ann has one other bad habit we really want her to tackle.

RAYNOR: Y'all won't leave me alone about the smoking.

GUPTA: So, we introduced her to her neighbor, who just happens to be the deputy chief medical officer for the American Cancer Society, Dr. Len Lichtenfeld. RAYNOR: I mean, I've been smoking since I was 18, and I'm 49. And in terms of getting emphysema or heart disease, is it too late?

DR. LEN LICHTENFELD, AMERICAN CANCER SOCIETY: The answer is it's never too late.

GUPTA: She's already taking steps towards quitting. She tried hypnosis again, and she's come up with her own unique nicotine cessation program.

RAYNOR: My little baggy of cigarettes instead of carrying them in the pack. This way, I can keep count of exactly how many I smoke. And each day, I take one away. So, I have you know, one less each day until I get down to about 10. And then we'll see.

GUPTA: She's already smoking half a pack less than she used to.

Jonathan only wanted to stop biting his nails, something he's been quite successful at so far. But exercise and diet was not part of his "New You Revolution." And yet, he's eating better and exercising more. Why?

JONATHAN KARP, "NEW YOU" PARTICIPANT: Just because everybody else is, you know, doing it.

GUPTA: Watching the others made an impression on him.

KARP: I heard Sandra's clip, you know, her battling with depression.

GUPTA: She also suffers from depression.

SANDRA GARTH, "NEW YOU" PARTICIPANT: I was diagnosed with it in 2002.

KARP: You know, I know about depression, too. So I know that that's just good to do. I've been down her road, and something that I didn't want to take pills either. You know, you've got to get out there and be just strong by being active.

GUPTA: Telling a national audience that she suffers from depression was a big step for Sandra, something we didn't know at the beginning of the "New You Revolution." We did, however, know about her son, Casey, and daughter-in-law, Teresa, who are stationed in Iraq. It was a big motivator for Sandra to get healthy. Now, she has more motivation.

GARTH: I got a phone call from Iraq. It was Casey. I knew from his e-mails that Teresa may be back to Germany last week. She is there safe and sound, thank God. And he's going to be leaving the 3rd or the 5th of March.

GUPTA: She'll lose her exercise buddy when grandson, Shannon, returns to his parents. But it's a sacrifice she's happy to make.

(on camera): And we just got some updates as well. Sandra's daughter-in-law, we were just talking about, is now in Detroit, and has been reunited with her son. So good news there.

As for Thekla and Harald, you remember them, we thought they might benefit from some encouragement from a couple of last year's "New You" participants.

(voice over): Thekla Fischer has come a long way in her "New You Revolution." But seven weeks into this, she still has some anxiety about starting a family. So we introduced her to one of last year's "New You" participants, Michael Kirkbride. His wife and fellow "New You-er," Pam, was on a business trip. But daughter Olivia joined her dad in sharing some "New You" wisdom.

THEKLA FISCHER, "NEW YOU" PARTICIPANT: The thing that scares me the most is just the time commitment.

MICHAEL KIRKBRIDE, FMR. "NEW YOU" PARTICIPANT: It's a constant struggle.

FISCHER: So, how long did it take before she started sleeping through the night?

KIRKBRIDE: I think she was six or seven months.

GUPTA: Thekla admits she's more comfortable with children that are old enough to carry on a conversation, but little Olivia found a way to lessen Thekla's fear and open her heart.

2004 "New You-er" Kim Everett and this year participant Harald Fricker joined for the same reasons: lose weight and get healthy.

We thought she might have some words of encouragement for him, so we hooked them up by phone.

KIM EVERETT, FMR. "NEW YOU" PARTICIPANT: So, I heard you lost 20 pounds. Congratulations on that.

HARALD FRICKER, "NEW YOU" PARTICIPANT: Thank you very much. Yes. It feels great.

GUPTA: Kim is still sticking to her "New You" new habits. She lost 10 pounds last year and has kept it off.

EVERETT: The "New You" just a year ago changed my life. So it's definitely going to change theirs.

GUPTA (on camera): And you remember them as well from last year. They both look pretty good.

Of course, you can follow everyone's progress by reading their journals. Just logon to cnn.com/am. One more week, though.

HEMMER: That's right.

O'BRIEN: How great to see them. What a great thing to see Kim looking so great, and then, of course, little baby Olivia so giant now. HEMMER: What happens next week?

GUPTA: Well, again, it's hard to believe, but next week is the grand finale. Two months come and gone. All five participants, we're going to invite them back to New York to be in the studio with you guys, and we'll let you judge just how much of a difference, how much of a difference the "New You Revolution" has made for them. That's next Tuesday.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

O'BRIEN: Good to see all that good progress.

Well, the color of money is green, but what does it smell like? Retailers find a fragrance that's going to get to you open up your wallet. Andy is "Minding Your Business," up next on AMERICAN MORNING.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

HEMMER: Welcome back, everyone. How do you turn oranges into greenbacks? good question for Andy Serwer. Watching the markets, "Minding Your Business" as well. Good morning.

ANDY SERWER, "FORTUNE" MAGAZINE: Good morning to you.

Let's check out and see how trading is going at the open this morning. Stocks moving higher, that's the word I had and well, it's actually true. Up 45 points. What's moving this morning? X.M. Radio -- that's the other satellite radio company, besides Sirius. And what they've done is they've decided to raise prices, their monthly fee from 9.95 to 12.95, to match Sirius stock. Was up 14 percent yesterday, up seven percent today. And what a battle that is between those two companies.

You know, for years researchers have known that music and lighting affects consumer behavior in stores. Soft music makes people stay longer. Loud rock music makes people buy impulsively. Lighting does weird things. But what about scents, smells? Researchers in Canada have discovered that one scent in particular seems to make shoppers lay out the moolah even more.

Chris, could we please bring it in? Can you guess what it is? Citrus. The smell of citrus. Researchers in Mareal (ph), Canada, did some testing in the mall up there. They had five different scents and citrus was the one that made shoppers spend more. They tried lavender and other scents. How you feeling here? Now, how would you like to buy this "Fortune" magazine here, you guys? Let me see if this works. My cover story here.

You guys are the greatest. No, that's it. Not going to sell anything else. Kind of interesting stuff. So you might be seeing some little scent things going on in malls. You know, these stores will try anything.

HEMMER: What determines that? Gupta?

SERWER: I don't know. Well, we could ask him.

HEMMER: Thank you, Andy.

O'BRIEN: Have a look at the "Question of the Day."

JACK CAFFERTY, CNN ANCHOR: Which is not as compelling, actually, as using citrus fruit to make you buy copies of "Fortune" magazine. Nevertheless. Is the Middle East moving towards democracy or instability?

David in Iowa writes: "The Middle East is heading where it's always been heading, in its own direction. The French, English, Germans and Russians have all tried moving it in the direction they wanted and they all failed miserably. What makes us think that we can move it in the direction we want it to go?"

Corporal in the U.S. Army named John: "The Middle East has never been stable, and from someone who's had boots on the ground extensively in that part of the world, let me be the first to tell you that they're headed towards something, but it's not democracy. You can hold all the free elections you want until you're blue in the face, but it won't change the fact that they hate us."

Karen writes from Alabama: "Liberals are so determined not to credit anything positive to Bush's action that they're now reduced to labeling the spread of democracy in the Middle East as instability. Remember all those unstable times in the past here: the American Revolution, the suffrage and civil rights movements?"

O'BRIEN: Well, they were unstable.

CAFFERTY: Indeed, they were. The whole birth of democracy in this country was -- I mean, it was so unstable at one point we fought a civil war over it.

SERWER: And you know, South Africa was unstable when that regime changed, the Philippines, and so, it can be...

HEMMER: You know, while you're talking, I got this urge to buy Jack's jeans today.

SERWER: You do?

HEMMER: Is it the oranges?

SERWER: Yes, it's the fruits.

CAFFERTY: You can't afford my jeans.

HEMMER: Thank you, Jack.

SERWER: It's designer.

HEMMER: Next hour here, an unseen enemy. Terrorist sleeper cells. Hundreds of people under surveillance across the country. And they could be living near you. Daryn and Rick have a much closer look at that on "CNN LIVE TODAY." We're back in a moment here on AMERICAN MORNING right after this.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

HEMMER: Before we get out of here, a quick preview of what's coming up later tonight on "NEWSNIGHT." Here's Aaron Brown with that -- Aaron.

AARON BROWN, CNN ANCHOR: Thank you, Bill. Tonight on "NEWSNIGHT," more questions on Wichita. The city has 15 unsolved murder cases on the books. Will any of them be tied to BTK? We'll look at where those investigations are heading. We'll have that, the top stories of the day, morning papers and everything else that makes "NEWSNIGHT" "NEWSNIGHT." CNN tonight, 10:00 p.m. Eastern -- Bill.

HEMMER: 12 hours away. Check out Andy Serwer's cover story in "Fortune" magazine on Michael...

SERWER: And you had to buy it, didn't you?

HEMMER: Not for you. Thank you.

SERWER: Thanks.

O'BRIEN: That's it. We're out of time. We're done for the morning. Thanks, you guys. See you back here, same time tomorrow. How about that?

CAFFERTY: How about that?

O'BRIEN: Let's throw it down to Daryn and Rick. They're at the CNN Center, going to take you through the next few hours.

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Aired March 1, 2005 - 09:30   ET
THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.
SOLEDAD O'BRIEN, CNN ANCHOR: Welcome back, everybody. Just about half past the hour on this AMERICAN MORNING. Authorities looking into a possible threat from the United States to two of the most wanted men in the world, Abu Musab Al Zarqawi and Osama Bin laden. We'll take a look this morning at what authorities have learned from a secret communique, and just how seriously they're taking that threat.
BILL HEMMER, CNN ANCHOR: Eric Robert Rudolph? Remember him? About to go on trial for bombings in the Southeast, but perhaps it was the man hunt that made his case so infamous. We'll talk with CNN senior producer Henry Schuster in a few moments about a new book on that investigation just out today, and ultimately why it took so long. We'll get to that in a moment.

O'BRIEN: Headlines first, though. Carol Costello sitting in with us.

Hello. Good morning.

CAROL COSTELLO, CNN ANCHOR: Good morning.

I just read a review about that book, and it's said to be very good. Yes, so congratulations over there.

Good morning, everyone.

Now in the news, the suspected BTK killer is expected to appear in court for the first time in less than three hours. Authorities say Dennis Rader can be linked to the killings of at least 10 people from 1974 and 1991. It's not clear yet if Rader has a lawyer.

Authorities in Florida say search dogs may be called in this morning to help look for that missing 9-year-old Jessica Lunsford. Police say the full-scale search for the girl is now over, and they're turning to child-abduction experts for help. Jessica was last seen Wednesday night when her grandmother put her to bed. These are new pictures, by the way, of the bedroom. Authorities are not calling the case an abduction at this point, but her father says he does believe Jessica was taken.

The Food and Drug Administration going under the microscope this hour. A Senate committee holding a hearing today, looking at whether the FDA is too quick to approve new drugs. The drug Vioxx will be a big part of discussions today. Manufacturer Merck pulled the arthritis amid fears it raised the chances of heart attacks and strokes. And out in California, Michael Jackson set to be back in court within three hours. His lawyer's expected to wrap up opening statements in his molestation trial. When proceedings start again in Santa Maria, British journalist Martin Bashir, who produced that documentary on Jackson, is expected to be the prosecution's first witness. And, oh, I would love to be in the courtroom for that one.

HEMMER: Did you hear Jeff and Soledad talking 20 minutes ago, all in day one.

O'BRIEN: We could go on for hours and it's only day one.

Lots to talk about. Carol, thanks.

O'BRIEN: An Al Qaeda message about possible attacks on the United States is in our CNN Security Watch this morning. Osama bin Laden is apparently directing Abu Musab Al Zarqawi to reach outside Iraq to conduct terrorism.

CNN's homeland security correspondent Jeanne Meserve in Washington for us this morning.

Jeanne, good morning.

JEANNE MESERVE, CNN HOMELAND SECURITY CORRESPONDENT: Good morning, Soledad.

The source of the intelligence, an intercepted communication believed to be from Osama bin Laden to Abu Musab Al Zarqawi, who has conducted scores of attacks inside Iraq. The communication urged Zarqawi to launch attacks outside Iraq, officials say. It did not mention the U.S. specifically, but that is the inference that analysts are making. Although it was not specific about the time, place or means of possible attack, officials characterize the information as credible, and it was enough for the Department of Homeland Security to issue a classified bulletin to its state and local partners last Friday.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

ASA HUTCHINSON, HOMELAND SECURITY UNDERSECRETARY: Whenever we get this kind of intelligence, we regularly share that with our homeland security advisers in the 50 states with local law enforcement, so they have the same information that we have, but whenever it is nonspecific, that means it's difficult to mount an operational response.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

MESERVE: DHS spokesman Brian Rorcast (ph) says based on this new information this are no plans to raise the nation's terror threat level -- Soledad.

O'BRIEN: Jeanne, any more information about the intercepting of this message? MESERVE: Well, officials say the intercept was made recently, and was made overseas, but we don't know what kind of communication it was. And although officials believe it was between these two men, they note that lines of communication often become, as they say, polluted. That is, other people begin to use them.

One knowledgeable former official says an intercept could be noteworthy, because Zarqawi is renowned for maintaining exceptionally good communications security. Is it one of the reasons he has not been apprehended -- Soledad.

O'BRIEN: Jeanne Meserve for us. Jeanne, thanks.

You want to stay tuned to CNN day and night for the most reliable news about your security -- Bill.

HEMMER: Eric Robert Rudolph may be one of the most notorious domestic terrorists ever. For five years, it's believed he hid from the FBI and local authorities in the mountains of North Carolina. A bit later this month, jury selection begins in his trial, the bombing of a clinic in Birmingham, Alabama. "Hunting for Eric Rudolph" hits bookstores today. Henry Schuster is the author. He's also a senior producer with us here at CNN.

Good to see you, Henry. Good morning to you.

HENRY SCHUSTER, CNN SR. PRODUCER: Good morning, Bill.

HEMMER: In addition to this story, you cover security matters for us quite often here at CNN. What are you to make of this communication between Zarqawi and Osama bin Laden?

SCHUSTER: The interesting thing is how did they know how to get in touch with each other than these public channels when they've had the public messages? And as important as the content of these messages is, what can be learned about finding either man? If they can intercept the message, can they trace it back to either Bin laden or Zarqawi?

HEMMER: And if you listen to different military officials, working on the Iraqi side or the American side in Iraq, they're saying sometimes they're just hours, if not days away, from finding Zarqawi.

SCHUSTER: From finding Zarqawi, but the hunt for Bin Laden, the trail seems to have gotten pretty cold.

HEMMER: Let's talk about the hunt for hunting Eric Rudolph. How was this man able to elude capture for five years?

SCHUSTER: It's a good question. The person who -- as I've learned, the person who spent the most time with him immediately after he was captured happened to be an investigator who had a lot of experience. He had gone to survival school for the Navy. He looked at Eric, and he said, you know, the story doesn't add up. He learned a lot about how he lived for the last few months. He learned a lot about the first year. Rudolph claimed it was a five-year camping trip, but when I talked to these investigators, they said, you know, he looked too good; his teethwork was too good.

HEMMER: So you're saying he got help. Do we know that?

SCHUSTER: Well, we know one person who gave him help, who ultimately went to the local sheriff, and that was six months after he started on the run.

What we don't know that vast area in the middle, whether people were looking the other way, whether they were putting things on the porch. The police closest to this, the local police out there, believe he had help. But so far, the only person that's claimed that she helped Eric Rudolph turned out to be somebody who hadn't. So there was a lot of suspicions, there are some very elaborate rumors, but so far, neither the FBI, nor the local police have been able to pin somebody.

HEMMER: You say this five-year manhunt should never have happened. What do you mean by that?

SCHUSTER: Well, if you look at the timeline, if the U.S. attorney in Birmingham had waited a couple of hours before going public, then they would have been on Eric Rudolph's doorstep. The agents were hunting him. As it turned out, when they were literally about half hour away from finding him, the FBI agent who was on the ground hunting for him, pulled up to one of Rudolph's friends houses, and the guy came here and said, oh, you must be here about Eric, I just saw it on CNN. The U.S. attorney down in Birmingham announced that they were looking for Eric Rudolph.

HEMMER: That was just minutes away.

SCHUSTER: Well, 15 minutes later they had Rudolph's address. The local sheriff said, I can go out and get him, but 30 minutes after that, he was gone.

HEMMER: In a bigger sense, this is what I'm curious about, there have been a lot of changes since 9/11 with the FBI. Have the changes that have been initiated in Washington, will they prevent an Eric Robert Rudolph from happening again in this country again?

SCHUSTER: You can't prevent a lone wolf, and the good news is there have been a number of arrests since 9/11. There was a man down in Florida who was arrested, and he's now in federal prison, and he said his aim was to be the next Eric Rudolph. He wanted to bomb some abortion clinics and go to the hills. This guy in Texas, a man named William Clark, who was arrested with sodium cyanide, he's now in federal prison as well. There's another guy in Oklahoma City, of all places, who was arrested after fire bombing a synagogue, and he apparently claimed that this was going to be first of 14 acts he was going to carry out.

So they are catching these lone wolves, but lone wolves, as Timothy McVeigh case pointed out, Eric Rudolph -- remember in Eric Rudolph's case, for 18 months they didn't know who this guy was. You know, after the Olympic Park bombings, after the bombings in Atlanta, they had no clue. It was only after the Birmingham bombing. HEMMER: It's called "Hunting Eric Rudolph." Congratulations to you on the book, and getting fine reviews, too.

SCHUSTER: Thank you.

HEMMER: Good to see you, Henry, Henry Schuster here in New York.

If you want to read more and excerpts from the book, head to our Web site right now in fact at CNN.com. Again, that book is out today.

Thanks, Henry.

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HEMMER: Researchers may have found an odor that can get to you spend money. Wouldn't your husband love that? Andy's "Minding Your Business," tells us about it in a moment here.

O'BRIEN: And we're talking about the "New You Revolution." Today one participant comes up with a unique plan to quit smoking. A look at that's ahead on AMERICAN MORNING.

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HEMMER: We are getting close. Week seven of the "New You Revolution" today.

O'BRIEN: And Dr. Sanjay Gupta is at the CNN center.

Sanjay -- good morning to you.

SANJAY GUPTA, CNN MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT: Good morning.

O'BRIEN: It's the home stretch. How is everybody doing?

GUPTA: The people are doing very well. It's hard to believe two months have already come and gone. But all five appear to be well on their way to meeting their goals, which was breaking their bad health habits.

Now, for Leigh Ann, Jonathan and Sandra, there have been some unexpected developments.

LEIGH ANN RAYNOR, "NEW YOU" PARTICIPANT: My goal was to lose weight, to start exercising and to learn to cook.

GUPTA (voice over): But Leigh Ann has one other bad habit we really want her to tackle.

RAYNOR: Y'all won't leave me alone about the smoking.

GUPTA: So, we introduced her to her neighbor, who just happens to be the deputy chief medical officer for the American Cancer Society, Dr. Len Lichtenfeld. RAYNOR: I mean, I've been smoking since I was 18, and I'm 49. And in terms of getting emphysema or heart disease, is it too late?

DR. LEN LICHTENFELD, AMERICAN CANCER SOCIETY: The answer is it's never too late.

GUPTA: She's already taking steps towards quitting. She tried hypnosis again, and she's come up with her own unique nicotine cessation program.

RAYNOR: My little baggy of cigarettes instead of carrying them in the pack. This way, I can keep count of exactly how many I smoke. And each day, I take one away. So, I have you know, one less each day until I get down to about 10. And then we'll see.

GUPTA: She's already smoking half a pack less than she used to.

Jonathan only wanted to stop biting his nails, something he's been quite successful at so far. But exercise and diet was not part of his "New You Revolution." And yet, he's eating better and exercising more. Why?

JONATHAN KARP, "NEW YOU" PARTICIPANT: Just because everybody else is, you know, doing it.

GUPTA: Watching the others made an impression on him.

KARP: I heard Sandra's clip, you know, her battling with depression.

GUPTA: She also suffers from depression.

SANDRA GARTH, "NEW YOU" PARTICIPANT: I was diagnosed with it in 2002.

KARP: You know, I know about depression, too. So I know that that's just good to do. I've been down her road, and something that I didn't want to take pills either. You know, you've got to get out there and be just strong by being active.

GUPTA: Telling a national audience that she suffers from depression was a big step for Sandra, something we didn't know at the beginning of the "New You Revolution." We did, however, know about her son, Casey, and daughter-in-law, Teresa, who are stationed in Iraq. It was a big motivator for Sandra to get healthy. Now, she has more motivation.

GARTH: I got a phone call from Iraq. It was Casey. I knew from his e-mails that Teresa may be back to Germany last week. She is there safe and sound, thank God. And he's going to be leaving the 3rd or the 5th of March.

GUPTA: She'll lose her exercise buddy when grandson, Shannon, returns to his parents. But it's a sacrifice she's happy to make.

(on camera): And we just got some updates as well. Sandra's daughter-in-law, we were just talking about, is now in Detroit, and has been reunited with her son. So good news there.

As for Thekla and Harald, you remember them, we thought they might benefit from some encouragement from a couple of last year's "New You" participants.

(voice over): Thekla Fischer has come a long way in her "New You Revolution." But seven weeks into this, she still has some anxiety about starting a family. So we introduced her to one of last year's "New You" participants, Michael Kirkbride. His wife and fellow "New You-er," Pam, was on a business trip. But daughter Olivia joined her dad in sharing some "New You" wisdom.

THEKLA FISCHER, "NEW YOU" PARTICIPANT: The thing that scares me the most is just the time commitment.

MICHAEL KIRKBRIDE, FMR. "NEW YOU" PARTICIPANT: It's a constant struggle.

FISCHER: So, how long did it take before she started sleeping through the night?

KIRKBRIDE: I think she was six or seven months.

GUPTA: Thekla admits she's more comfortable with children that are old enough to carry on a conversation, but little Olivia found a way to lessen Thekla's fear and open her heart.

2004 "New You-er" Kim Everett and this year participant Harald Fricker joined for the same reasons: lose weight and get healthy.

We thought she might have some words of encouragement for him, so we hooked them up by phone.

KIM EVERETT, FMR. "NEW YOU" PARTICIPANT: So, I heard you lost 20 pounds. Congratulations on that.

HARALD FRICKER, "NEW YOU" PARTICIPANT: Thank you very much. Yes. It feels great.

GUPTA: Kim is still sticking to her "New You" new habits. She lost 10 pounds last year and has kept it off.

EVERETT: The "New You" just a year ago changed my life. So it's definitely going to change theirs.

GUPTA (on camera): And you remember them as well from last year. They both look pretty good.

Of course, you can follow everyone's progress by reading their journals. Just logon to cnn.com/am. One more week, though.

HEMMER: That's right.

O'BRIEN: How great to see them. What a great thing to see Kim looking so great, and then, of course, little baby Olivia so giant now. HEMMER: What happens next week?

GUPTA: Well, again, it's hard to believe, but next week is the grand finale. Two months come and gone. All five participants, we're going to invite them back to New York to be in the studio with you guys, and we'll let you judge just how much of a difference, how much of a difference the "New You Revolution" has made for them. That's next Tuesday.

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O'BRIEN: Good to see all that good progress.

Well, the color of money is green, but what does it smell like? Retailers find a fragrance that's going to get to you open up your wallet. Andy is "Minding Your Business," up next on AMERICAN MORNING.

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HEMMER: Welcome back, everyone. How do you turn oranges into greenbacks? good question for Andy Serwer. Watching the markets, "Minding Your Business" as well. Good morning.

ANDY SERWER, "FORTUNE" MAGAZINE: Good morning to you.

Let's check out and see how trading is going at the open this morning. Stocks moving higher, that's the word I had and well, it's actually true. Up 45 points. What's moving this morning? X.M. Radio -- that's the other satellite radio company, besides Sirius. And what they've done is they've decided to raise prices, their monthly fee from 9.95 to 12.95, to match Sirius stock. Was up 14 percent yesterday, up seven percent today. And what a battle that is between those two companies.

You know, for years researchers have known that music and lighting affects consumer behavior in stores. Soft music makes people stay longer. Loud rock music makes people buy impulsively. Lighting does weird things. But what about scents, smells? Researchers in Canada have discovered that one scent in particular seems to make shoppers lay out the moolah even more.

Chris, could we please bring it in? Can you guess what it is? Citrus. The smell of citrus. Researchers in Mareal (ph), Canada, did some testing in the mall up there. They had five different scents and citrus was the one that made shoppers spend more. They tried lavender and other scents. How you feeling here? Now, how would you like to buy this "Fortune" magazine here, you guys? Let me see if this works. My cover story here.

You guys are the greatest. No, that's it. Not going to sell anything else. Kind of interesting stuff. So you might be seeing some little scent things going on in malls. You know, these stores will try anything.

HEMMER: What determines that? Gupta?

SERWER: I don't know. Well, we could ask him.

HEMMER: Thank you, Andy.

O'BRIEN: Have a look at the "Question of the Day."

JACK CAFFERTY, CNN ANCHOR: Which is not as compelling, actually, as using citrus fruit to make you buy copies of "Fortune" magazine. Nevertheless. Is the Middle East moving towards democracy or instability?

David in Iowa writes: "The Middle East is heading where it's always been heading, in its own direction. The French, English, Germans and Russians have all tried moving it in the direction they wanted and they all failed miserably. What makes us think that we can move it in the direction we want it to go?"

Corporal in the U.S. Army named John: "The Middle East has never been stable, and from someone who's had boots on the ground extensively in that part of the world, let me be the first to tell you that they're headed towards something, but it's not democracy. You can hold all the free elections you want until you're blue in the face, but it won't change the fact that they hate us."

Karen writes from Alabama: "Liberals are so determined not to credit anything positive to Bush's action that they're now reduced to labeling the spread of democracy in the Middle East as instability. Remember all those unstable times in the past here: the American Revolution, the suffrage and civil rights movements?"

O'BRIEN: Well, they were unstable.

CAFFERTY: Indeed, they were. The whole birth of democracy in this country was -- I mean, it was so unstable at one point we fought a civil war over it.

SERWER: And you know, South Africa was unstable when that regime changed, the Philippines, and so, it can be...

HEMMER: You know, while you're talking, I got this urge to buy Jack's jeans today.

SERWER: You do?

HEMMER: Is it the oranges?

SERWER: Yes, it's the fruits.

CAFFERTY: You can't afford my jeans.

HEMMER: Thank you, Jack.

SERWER: It's designer.

HEMMER: Next hour here, an unseen enemy. Terrorist sleeper cells. Hundreds of people under surveillance across the country. And they could be living near you. Daryn and Rick have a much closer look at that on "CNN LIVE TODAY." We're back in a moment here on AMERICAN MORNING right after this.

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HEMMER: Before we get out of here, a quick preview of what's coming up later tonight on "NEWSNIGHT." Here's Aaron Brown with that -- Aaron.

AARON BROWN, CNN ANCHOR: Thank you, Bill. Tonight on "NEWSNIGHT," more questions on Wichita. The city has 15 unsolved murder cases on the books. Will any of them be tied to BTK? We'll look at where those investigations are heading. We'll have that, the top stories of the day, morning papers and everything else that makes "NEWSNIGHT" "NEWSNIGHT." CNN tonight, 10:00 p.m. Eastern -- Bill.

HEMMER: 12 hours away. Check out Andy Serwer's cover story in "Fortune" magazine on Michael...

SERWER: And you had to buy it, didn't you?

HEMMER: Not for you. Thank you.

SERWER: Thanks.

O'BRIEN: That's it. We're out of time. We're done for the morning. Thanks, you guys. See you back here, same time tomorrow. How about that?

CAFFERTY: How about that?

O'BRIEN: Let's throw it down to Daryn and Rick. They're at the CNN Center, going to take you through the next few hours.

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