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ANDERSON COOPER 360 DEGREES

Martha Stewart Ready to Leave Prison; Flying Into History

Aired March 3, 2005 - 19:00   ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.


ANDERSON COOPER, HOST: Good evening from New York. I'm Anderson Cooper.
Martha Stewart leaving prison in a matter of hours. Her new life awaits.

360 starts now.

From prison to freedom, Martha Stewart readies to leave the bars behind. Tonight, exclusive video of her life in prison, images you've never seen before, and what's waiting for Stewart when she steps back into life.

Touchdown. Steve Fossett makes history, the first person to fly solo around the world, no stopping, no refueling. Tonight, how he did it, nearly three days awake, alone, and rarely moving.

Two men dangling 100 feet above the ground. Tonight, firefighters rush to the rescue. The race against time, caught on tape.

Michael Jackson, face to face with his accuser's family. The alleged victim's sister takes the stand, saying she saw her brother drinking at Neverland. Tonight, we take you inside the courtroom.

And a remarkable story of survival. Tonight, meet a man who died not once but 100 times, and lives to tell his story.

ANNOUNCER: Live from the CNN Broadcast Center in New York, this is ANDERSON COOPER 360.

COOPER: Good evening again.

Her time is up. After serving five months, Martha Stewart is readying to leave prison behind. Martha Stewart will be emerging from federal prison camp at Alderson, West Virginia, anytime after midnight tonight.

And this is exclusive footage, not seen before, of Martha Stewart inside the prison she's about to leave. It was taken in the visitors' room, Stewart greeting some people who'd come to see her. Many of those who visited her say they see a different Martha Stewart than the one who went to prison.

CNN's Deborah Feyerick is there in West Virginia, waiting for the new Martha Stewart to emerge. (BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

DEBORAH FEYERICK, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Martha Stewart will leave with a few belongings she carried in, like her watch and glasses. It takes about half an hour to drive from Alderson Prison to the Greenbriar Valley Airport, a little longer if her driver takes one of two back routes.

A private plane will be waiting on the runway, and, 100 feet away, dozens of television cameras, most of them shooting from atop a flatbed truck brought in by Stewart's company.

This is expected to be Stewart's million-dollar moment, perhaps a smile and a wave as she walks to the plane and heads off into her future beginning a beautiful friendship with Mark Burrnett, the king of reality TV, ready to singlehandedly reinvent Martha through her planned "Apprentice" spinoff and a live daytime television show.

The plane ride will last about two hours. The takeoff, likely bumpy because of the cold air over snow-covered mountains. Stewart doesn't have to go straight home to her estate in Bedford, New York. The probation department says she has 72 hours before she has to contact her probation officer. That means she could stay at her daughter's apartment in Manhattan, or even dine out.

If she does go to Bedford straightaway, her probation officer could set her up with an ankle bracelet as early as Friday afternoon.

Stewart's five-month home confinement doesn't begin till she's strapped up to the device. She can receive as many visitors as she wants, as long as they don't have a criminal record. But she must stay inside the house. Walking around the grounds isn't allowed, unless she's doing actual work, like filming for her TV show.

Stewart could start work Monday morning and tackle some of those long to-do lists that she put together in prison.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

FEYERICK: Now, Anderson, Stewart's not going to stay here any longer than she has to. Just after midnight, she's going to hand in her prison khakis, close out her commissary account, and then, according to her company, she's going to head to the airport. She should get there sometime between 12:30 and 1:30 in the morning.

As she boards the plane, she's going to be taking no questions. All of this being very carefully directed. When we were at the airport earlier this afternoon, we ran into somebody who'd been the advance man for presidential candidate John Kerry's campaign. He said he had brought -- been brought in to help out Martha Stewart.

Once she does get out, there's going to be a message posted on her Web site saying she's done, Anderson.

COOPER: All right, Deborah Feyerick, thanks very much. Opinions about Martha Stewart remain very mixed. A new CNN-"USA Today"-Gallup poll finds that 48 percent of those who responded say they feel sympathetic toward Stewart, 50 percent say they do not.

It's been just short of a year now since Martha Stewart was convicted. And at (UNINTELLIGIBLE) at the time, things looked pretty bad for her and her business empire. A year later, things look a whole lot better for her and for the business.

Here's CNN's Allan Chernoff.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

ALLAN CHERNOFF, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Doing time at the Alderson prison camp appears to have been good for Martha Stewart's body, mind, and image. "I have had time to think, time to write, time to exercise," Stewart says on her Web site, Marthatalks.com. She's lost weight, say friends, and turned prison into a positive experience.

RICHARD FEIGEN, FRIEND OF MARTHA STEWART: She has gained from it. She's grown. She's been in dialog with these women that are incarcerated. And I think she's really learned a lot about them.

CHERNOFF: Feigen, an old friend, says Stewart will likely become an advocate for prison reform. "I beseech you all to think about these women," Stewart urges on her Web site.

In her second act postprison, Martha Stewart is likely to return a more sympathetic character. Even in Alderson, home to many prison employees, the talk of town is that Martha Stewart has been a popular inmate.

CATHY LEGG, RESIDENT OF ALDERSON, WEST VIRGINIA: She's got friends that they all like to go and sit with her and eat at the tables. And it's, kind of like going around about, taking turns doing it and getting to talk to her. But she gets along very well with everyone.

CHERNOFF: Those friendships, says the new chief executive of Martha Stewart Living Omnimedia, may give Stewart new business insights.

SUSAN LYNE, CEO, MARTHA STEWART OMNIMEDIA: These are women who might very well be Kmart shoppers, were they at home. And it's a useful thing, probably would be a useful thing for all of us.

CHERNOFF: Business, in fact, has been very good to Martha Stewart during imprisonment. NBC has announced it will air two Martha Stewart television shows, a new version of "The Apprentice," and a daytime lifestyle show. Her magazine is promoting Stewart's return as a columnist.

(on camera): While she's been in prison, Martha Stewart's company has been losing money, but the stock price has doubled as investors have been anticipating her return As a result, at least on paper, Martha Stewart will be leaving prison about $500 million wealthier than she entered, once again a billionaire.

Allan Chernoff, CNN, New York.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

COOPER: Another question on the subject, does Martha Stewart have the power to cloud journalists' minds? "Newsweek" magazine finds itself questioned over this week's cover, which puts the real Martha Stewart's head atop the body of a model. It's photo illustration. The magazine say it has no intention to deceive, just wanted to show what the new, svelte Martha Stewart Martha Stewart might look like. Sure, think of it as the "Newsweek" diet.

A programming note now, CNN will air a special edition of "PEOPLE IN THE NEWS" at 10:00 Eastern, on the eve of Stewart's release. There'll be more footage that's never seen before of Martha Stewart in prison, and an interview with "Apprentice" producer Mark Burrnett, who plans to make Stewart the next star of reality TV. That's at 10:00 p.m. Eastern on CNN.

President Bush says stopping Osama bin Laden is America's biggest challenge. That story tops our look news cross-country.

Washington, D.C., the remark came at a swearing-in ceremony for Michael Chertoff, the new leader of the Dem -- Department of Homeland Security. President Bush also said America is working night and day to bring bin Laden to justice.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

GEORGE W. BUSH, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: War on a constant hunt for bin Laden. We're keeping the pressure on him. Keeping him in hiding.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

COOPER: And we take you to Chicago, Illinois, now. Tonight, police are searching for these two men. Take a close look. They are possible suspects in the killings of a federal judge's husband and mother. Police say the men were spotted near the scene of the crime.

We take you to Lake City, Florida, now. For sale by owner, waterfront property. Actually it's next to a massive sinkhole. It's a little homeowner humor there. This is a serious situation. The sinkhole is close to swallowing the home and has forced the evacuation of a nearby mobile home park.

And farther south now, off the Florida keys, dolphins in danger. One point, almost 100 dolphins were stuck in shallow waters. The number right now is down to at least 20. The rest have moved back out to sea, or are in a pen. At least five dolphins have died.

And Boston, Massachusetts, now, legal trouble not over for the first winner of "Survivor." Richard Hatch has backed out of a deal to plead guilty to tax fraud charges. Prosecutors say Hatch failed to declare his $1 million prize from the hit reality TV show and other income.

That's a look at stories right now cross-country.

Did he, did he think no one would notice? People notice that kind of thing when it's on TV.

Coming up next on 360, the Michael Jackson trial. His accuser's sister has taken the stand, and says she saw her brother drinking alcohol at Neverland Ranch.

Plus, flying into history, a record-shattering plane ride. But what was it really like for the pilot, 67 hours in a cramped little plane? Find out details ahead.

Also tonight, chimps attack at a California animal sanctuary. That's right, they attacked. Two humans were badly injured. Some of the chimps are still on the run. What really happened to set them off? We're going to try to find out ahead.

All that coming up. First, your picks, the most popular stories right now on CNN.com.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

COOPER: And there it is, touchdown, a successful end in Kansas today for Steve Fossett, the very rich and very daring adventurer. He became the first person ever to circumnavigate the globe in a plane without stopping or refueling, or checking his bank account.

Helping him celebrate, a fellow billionaire, Sir Richard Branson, who bankrolled a lot of the expedition. It's been one of the most popular stories on the Web today.

360's Rudi Bakhtiar has been looking into it, bring you an angle you won't see anywhere else. Rudi, what did you find out?

RUDI BAKHTIAR, CNN CORRESPONDENT: I've been following this all day. An exciting, exciting day for those of us who are interested.

Anderson, this record is one thing. But how he survived up there for all those hours may be his greatest achievement.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

STEVE FOSSETT, PILOT: I know that I need a nap worst of all.

BAKHTIAR: I bet he does. After flying around the world with virtually no sleep, Steve Fossett is entitled to some R&R. And even though he's back on solid ground, Fossett seems to be still floating on air.

FOSSETT: I'm a really lucky guy now. God to achieve my ambition.

BAKHTIAR: The feat is a remarkable one, made all the more so by his living conditions. I spoke to the man who built the plane, Burt Rutan, and he told me that Fossett was cramped inside of a cabin just seven feet long and 38 inches wide. The only view out of the window would be if he propped himself up on cushions.

During his 67 hours of zigzagging the globe, Fossett survived on water, diet shakes, and sports drinks. And for most of the trip, he was leaning back, just listening to the blasting sound of an engine.

The 18,100 pounds of fuel that he started the journey with burned quickly, and for a while there, the success of the mission seemed in jeopardy.

FOSSETT: We have to do a lot of adjustments on the...

BAKHTIAR: But a tailwind of 150 miles per hour helped him reach his final destination. By the time he landed, the global flyer's 13 fuel tanks were almost completely empty.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

BAKHTIAR: And Anderson, this guy has been challenging the odds for years. Here's a guy who's done the Iditerod, he's done the Boston Marathon, he swam the English Channel, he's got numerous record- breaking things for circumnavigating the globe, whether it's been in a balloon or a boat, or...

COOPER: What's the purpose, though, of doing this? I mean, I know, obviously, he's got, I guess, got a lot of money, I guess he's a rich guy. And I know Branson, you know, has his Virgin Atlantic name all over the plane, so I get for that is publicity. But is there any actual benefit to the rest of us for this?

BAKHTIAR: Well, we'd like to think that these people are interested in the advancement of science, that they're interested in being part of the future. And with people like Richard Branson, I mean, the guy who built this ship, also is, the guy who built Global Flyer is also the guy who built SpaceshipOne, which back in October won the Ansari X Prize, which was the first manned suborbital spaceflight which was funded privately.

What does that mean for you and me, Anderson? That means that in our lifetime, Burt Rutan believes that within 15 years, for around $20,000, we'll be able to go to space. Pretty exciting stuff.

COOPER: All right, all right, Rudi Bakhtiar, thanks very much.

An ultimatum in the Middle East tops our look at global stories right now in the uplink.

Take you to Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. Crown Prince Abdullah tells Syria's president to immediately start pulling his troops from Lebanon. He warns if they don't, then Saudi-Syrian relations will go through some difficulties. Damascus is under pressure to end its military dominance with Lebanon after last month's assassination of the former Lebanese prime minister.

We take you to Anges (ph), France, now. A massive sex abuse trial begins, 66 men and women are accused of raping and abusing 45 low-income children from 1999 to 2002. Prosecutors allege the kids were raped by their parents or offered to other adults in exchange for money or food. A bizarre case. We'll see what happens with it.

Take you to Mexicali, cap -- Mexico, now. A drug tunnel to the U.S. uncovered in, of all places, a bedroom of someone's home. It's not your basic tunnel. Three foot by five foot passage, it had ventilation, it had lighting, it had wooden beams for support. The home was abandoned. There have been no arrests at this point. Took a long time to build that tunnel.

And in Israel, the first open brain surgery for a lion. In a 12- hour operation, veterinarians cut out up to six centimeters of Samson, the lion's skull to minimize pressure on his brain. They say he is doing just fine now.

That's a quick look at stories round the globe in the uplink.

Coming up next on 360, dangling in thin air by a very thin rope. Find out firefighters pulled off this dangerous rescue.

Also tonight, the sister of Michael Jackson's accuser takes the stand. She says the pop star served them alcohol. We have details from inside the courtroom.

And a little later, a man who died 100 times on the operating table brought back to life over and over. Our 360 M.D., Sanjay Gupta, with the story of an amazing medical feat.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

COOPER: That's video capturing the end of perhaps one of the scariest moments in the lives of two painters. They were working on a building in downtown Los Angeles when their scaffolding broke, leaving them dangling some 10 stories above the ground.

CNN's Rusty Dornin followed the dramatic rescue, all caught on tape.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The call came in at 7:18 this morning, so it's now 7:56. But, as you mentioned, they do have a safety rope. And that is what's saving their lives, that...

RUSTY DORNIN, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Hanging on for their lives, these painters have security guard Isias Yepes to thank for making that 911 call. For 16 years, he's walked the floors of the building next door. So when he heard a loud bang, he knew something was wrong.

ISIAS YEPES, SECURITY GUARD: When I hear the noise, I go for this window...

DORNIN: He ran to a window that opened, but it was stuck.

YEPES: I use my keychain. That's -- I pull it, I pulled it, the window. And I saw from here, like that.

DORNIN (on camera): And that's when you yelled up to them.

YEPES: Yes. That is why I (UNINTELLIGIBLE), I called the fire department, don't worry. They're coming right away.

DORNIN (voice-over): Firefighters Captain Willy Cajiao and engineer Al Hugo were some of the first on the scene.

CAPT. WILLY CAJIAO, LOS ANGELES FIREFIGHTER: Initially, we got dispatched to the 10th floor.

DORNIN: When they got there, they could see the workers, but couldn't get to them.

CAJIAO: The scaffolding, the ramp that they're on, was completely parallel to this building. So it's sideways like this, and it was dangling right here.

DORNIN (on camera): Did you call to them, say, Are you OK?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, we tried to communicate as much as we could between the glass, which is a little difficult. And they were Spanish speaking, so Captain Cajiao were able to, you know, converse with the guys.

CAJIAO: Looking at the two individuals, the individual here was a little bit more calmer. This individual was panicked and very nervous. I could see it in his face. And, by the thickness of these walls, he was trying to converse with us. And we were trying to converse with him, and basically we were yelling to him, in Spanish, because, he couldn't -- for example, look away from the window, Are you OK, any injuries?

DORNIN (voice-over): Down below, the alley was too narrow to get a truck in and put a ladder up to them. So firefighters inflated a rescue air-cushion just in case. They decided, better to go through the window than having rescuers rappel down from the roof.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What we wanted to do was break the molding off the sides and see if we can pull the window in. And even with the assistance of the victim on the left, who was kind of tethered off, and he was kind of dangling on the edge.

DORNIN: Then came the decision, break the window.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We moved the rescue air-cushion out of the way, and then we started taping up the window, so before we break it, so when it starts to crack, it going to crack in bigger pieces.

DORNIN: With safe harbor within arm's reach, the workers wanted to hurry things up.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He wanted to come in right away, both guys. But little do they know, we had lines, rescue lines, that were tethered out. DORNIN: As each was pulled to safety, the realization for one of just how close he came.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The individual that got rescued second, he came down here, we disconnected him and everything, and he fell to his knees right here, and he broke down. He started crying and was kind of speechless.

DORNIN: Both were taken to a nearby hospital, treated, and released for minor injuries. Bystanders say this was the fourth time they'd seen the pair painting the building. But for this crew, perhaps, it was one time too many.

Rusty Dornin, CNN, Los Angeles.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

COOPER: Michael Jackson, face to face with his accuser's family. The alleged victim's sister takes the stand, saying she saw her brother drinking at Neverland. Tonight, we take you inside the courtroom.

And chimpanzees attack. Escaping from an animal shelter, they seriously injure two humans. Tonight, what caused the chimps to go wild? And how many are still on the loose?

360 continues.

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COOPER: Jurors in the Michael Jackson trial were given a very dark description of what may have taken place inside his Neverland Ranch today. They were given a video tour of his house, which was shot by sheriffs.

Now, in the tour, you saw a lifesized Boy Scout doll, complete with merit badges, seated on a throne in a hallway leading to Jackson's bedroom. Video also showed the singer keeps a giant portrait of the Last Supper hanging over his bed.

Jackson strolled into court to see all of this and hear his accuser's sister testify, saying the singer gave alcohol to children. And that's not all she said she saw.

CNN's Ted Rowlands is following the case, has the very latest from Santa Maria, California.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

TED ROWLANDS, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): The older sister of the boy allegedly abused by Michael Jackson testified that she and her two younger brothers drank wine with Jackson at his Neverland Ranch. The sister, now 18, says Jackson was the only adult present when he was pouring alcohol into cups for her brothers, herself, and another child to drink in a cellar below an arcade at Neverland. She also said that the only time she was in the master bedroom at Neverland, she saw Michael Jackson lying on his bed with both of her brothers. She said she saw several half-full and empty bottles of alcohol around the room.

ANN BREMNER, LEGAL ANALYST: What she had to say, she was honest, forthright. She didn't seem biased, she didn't seem to be exaggerating.

ROWLANDS: The sister also testified that on a private plane, she saw Jackson and her brother passing a can of diet Coke back and forth while whispering. Prosecutors alleged there was wine in that can, not soda.

When asked about Michael Jackson being a father figure to her family, she said she liked him in the beginning, but her feelings for him changed over time.

On the way out of the courthouse, Jackson, when asked for reaction to the testimony, said it was both interesting and frustrating.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It's very difficult, when, you know, you're hearing things about yourself, and you want to just stand up and say, Oh, that's not true, or, Oh, no, that's wrong. But, you know, he respects the court, and, of course, you know, we're going to be here every day. So his side will be heard.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

ROWLANDS: The sister also testified that her family was, in essence, held captive at a Los Angeles hotel for days. She is expected to be back on the stand when court resumes in the morning, Anderson.

COOPER: Ted Rowlands, thanks for that.

CNN senior legal analyst Jeffrey Toobin has spent much of this week in the court, watching the trial. He joins us live for a look beyond the headlines. Jeff, good to see you.

JEFFREY TOOBIN, CNN SENIOR LEGAL ANALYST: Hi.

COOPER: What was Michael Jackson like in the courtroom?

TOOBIN: You know, I thought O.J. Simpson was a compelling presence in a courtroom, but Michael Jackson is so weird-looking and so sort of fascinating to look at. He's just utterly riveting. He...

COOPER: Does the jury find, do they watch him as well?

TOOBIN: You know, I think they're a little nervous at first. They are just getting started. And they don't want to be gawking at the celebrity. But that doesn't stop the rest of us. I mean, he is -- he's so thin. He's just -- he's not that -- he's pretty tall, actually. He's almost 5-10. But, he walks down the court, you know, down the aisle. And, you know, we're right there. And he moves with a dancer's grace. But he looks so unhealthy. That skin color, you know, everybody's seen it in prison, but it's like no one you've ever seen. He doesn't look black, he doesn't look white. And his nose is all, you know, messed up, as we all know -- it's a fascinating, and you know, disturbing frankly (UNINTELLIGIBLE).

COOPER: And you saw the video they were playing, the documentary. They played the British version of the documentary in the courtroom. We're going to be airing some of the American version. This is it.

You said it was different seeing it in the courtroom as you remember seeing it originally?

TOOBIN: Well, it was so surreal, for one thing. I mean, for one thing, I forgot how much music there was. People were tapping their feet, enjoying it. Some of the jurors were laughing at parts of it, because parts of it was funny. But overall, it was much more sympathetic to Jackson than I remembered. And there was one passage -- moment that I thought was particularly memorable. Michael, in the documentary, is talking about being abused by his father. And seated in the second row were his mother and his brother Jackie. And Jackie was kind of nodding along in a rueful way about how mean Joe was. And I just thought it was painful to have to watch that.

COOPER: Does the prosecution have a case? I mean, how have they done so far? And their case overall -- it doesn't seem all that solid.

TOOBIN: They certainly have a case, because they are going to have an accuser stand up there on the witness stand and say, he did this to me. And if the jury believes him, that is the end of the story, Jackson was convicted.

Except for that I was surprised at how many holes there appear to be in Jackson's -- in the case against Jackson. And in terms of the dynamics of the courtroom, the person who is dominating so far is Tom Mesereau. Tom Mesereau, he's this big guy, the defense attorney. Big buy, with a big thick head of gray hair, very commanding presence. In his opening statement, in his first few cross-examinations, Mesereau is running the show there.

COOPER: Really?

TOOBIN: And I think that's going to be -- that will be helpful to Jackson.

COOPER: How are the prosecutors doing? I mean, they are...

TOOBIN: Well, I thought the opening statement was very weak. Tom Sneddon doesn't try many cases, and it showed. Other than that, they haven't done much so far. Mesereau has really been the story.

COOPER: It's the commanding presence of people with gray hair. It's what it is.

TOOBIN: You know what? I think that is it. It must be what it was.

COOPER: You have a little bit of gray. Jeffrey Toobin, thanks very much.

TOOBIN: More every day.

COOPER: Yeah, well, join the club.

Jay Leno wants to keep using Michael Jackson as material, even though he's under a gag order not to. Here's a quick news note for you. The "Tonight Show" host has been subpoenaed as a possible witness at the trial. All witnesses are being told not to talk about the case. Leno is asking the court to lift or modify his gag order. He says he should be allowed to poke fun of Jackson in his monologues, insisting the order violates his First Amendment rights.

TOOBIN: Gag order.

COOPER: Hey, there you go, you're funny, Jeffrey Toobin. Who knew? Senior legal analyst Jeffrey Toobin. He'll be here all week.

All right, enough about Michael Jackson. Let's turn back to a truly weighty subject, Martha Stewart -- and by weighty you understand I mean important. This exclusive video of Martha Stewart inside the prison, she's about to leave in a few hours. Tonight, we're talking with someone who has been through exactly what Martha Stewart has gone through there in prison in the last few months, and what she is about to go through during her release.

Joining us from Asheville, North Carolina, Clare Hanrahan, also stepped back into the world from the Alderson prison camp. Clare, we appreciate you joining us tonight.

Describe for me the feeling you got when you left Alderson after six months of incarceration, adjusting back into your old life.

CLARE HANRAHAN, FORMER ALDERSON INMATE: Well, one is never the same after six months inside a prison camp. And mostly because of all the people we see inside. The people Martha will see as well, and spending that time with. It's kind of scary leaving prison, because you know you're a different person.

COOPER: How did your priorities change after your release?

HANRAHAN: Well, you begin to understand that the things that troubled you, the things that you thought were very serious problems in your own life pale by comparison to the lives of many of the women locked inside, and many locked away for five, 10, or 15 years.

So, I began, in my own life, just to think about what's really important, and how to live my life more clearly and authentically.

COOPER: In that way, it sounds like a beneficial thing.

HANRAHAN: Well, prison -- there's nothing rehabilitative about our prison system. Our Department of Justice is without mercy. I think though that the women inside are who are your best teachers. And they will teach you a lot about life and courage.

COOPER: You said one of the biggest adjustments for you was the curiosity you encountered. Tell me about that.

HANRAHAN: What I encountered inside prison, the difficult adjustment was coming outside. People are curious about what your life was like. And I would hope that people will give Martha Stewart a little time of privacy so that she can recover some. You're under scrutiny all of the time in prison, and it hasn't let up for her. So, that would be a good thing.

COOPER: Does time pass? I mean, you know, you always see in movies, I've heard other people who have spent time inside prisons saying, you know, time passes extraordinarily slowly. On the outside, it seems like five months just went by. When you're inside -- what was it like for you?

HANRAHAN: Some nights were endless. Anderson, some nights, you didn't think you could take another step, especially if that step was leading you into the barracks. It's very difficult to always be under the rule of someone else, when you're accustomed to making your own choices. And some days went by very quickly. But time takes on a whole new meaning in prison. And, you're right, it does seem to fly by out here, but those five months for Martha were difficult months, and they're life-changing, I'm sure.

COOPER: Clare Hanrahan, I appreciate you being in tonight to talk about this. Fascinating. Thank you.

HANRAHAN: Thank you.

COOPER: Coming up at the top of the hour on "PAULA ZAHN NOW," more on Martha Stewart's impending freedom. Paula joins us with a preview. Hey, Paula.

PAULA ZAHN, HOST, "PAULA ZAHN NOW": Thanks so much, Anderson, and we are going to show you more pictures you've probably never seen before of Martha prison -- or Martha Stewart, that is, in prison. We're going to find out what the five months was like for her, and we will hear from another woman who made friends with Stewart while they both were serving time and see what lessons if any were learned. Join me at 8:00 Eastern, and don't forget our special edition of "PEOPLE IN THE NEWS" tonight, on Martha Stewart, at 10:00 p.m. Eastern. Got a two-fer for you tonight.

COOPER: All right, Paula Zahn, thanks very much. Appreciate it.

Coming up next on 360, chimpanzees attack, after escaping an animal sanctuary -- this is just a bizarre story -- two humans are hurt. One of them pretty severely. Question is, why did these chimps go wild?

Plus, an amazing story. A man who died 100 times. Each time, doctors saved his life. 360 M.D. Sanjay Gupta has his remarkable story. Also a little later tonight, Martha Stewart getting out of prison, just hours, where she made the best of her situation. Just think about what she can do in other trouble spots in the world. We'll take that to "The Nth Degree."

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(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

JEFF CORWIN, ANIMAL PLANET: There's a chimp on my back.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

COOPER: That's my next guest, Animal Planet, Jeff Corwin. On a recent trip to Africa with chimpanzees, as they're normally seen, lovable, kind of funny, no real threat. That's how you usually see them. But, at this animal sanctuary in Caliente, California, several chimps showed a much darker side. They broke free from their cages, attacked brutally, seriously injuring two people, including one of the chimps former owners, St. James Davis. A neighbor saw it all happen.

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ARCHIE SIPE, NEIGHBOR: Apparently while Mr. Davis and his wife were visiting their chimpanzee named Moe, four other claim chimpanzee's got out of the cage. And one of them attacked Mr. Davis, and was mauling him rather savagely. A resident of the establishment, a male resident, armed himself with a firearm and came outside to ward off the attack, and by that time, a second chimpanzee was advancing.

He fired on that second chimpanzee, and realized he had light ammunition to do the job. So, he had to go back in and reload, and came back out, and shot and killed the chimpanzee that was advancing on Mr. Davis, who was down and being mauled by the bigger chimpanzee.

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COOPER: One other chimp was shot and killed. Two chimps are on the lose, still, right now. Earlier, I discussed the unusual behavior with Animal Planet's Jeff Corwin. He's also the author of "Living on the Edge: Amazing Relationships in the Natural World.

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COOPER: So, are chimps aggressive?

CORWIN: You know, it's a simple question, and the answer is far more complex. Like human beings, chimps exhibit all sorts of diverse behavior, everything from compassion, to gentleness, to sexuality, to violence. You find violence in human society and you can find violence in chimps.

COOPER: And there -- I mean, they're very strong, though.

CORWIN: Powerful, powerful primates. It's often said that an adult chimpanzee weighing in at 150 pounds is three to seven times stronger than a human being.

COOPER: Three to seven times stronger?

CORWIN: Yes. Absolutely powerful.

COOPER: What causes them to attack? I mean, why -- I hadn't heard of this kind of thing. Obviously, we don't know the details of this animal sanctuary.

CORWIN: Well, you know, the thing about chimpanzees is, we sort of look at them through our rose colored cultural glasses of the cute little chimp in the "Tarzan" movie. Those are very young chimps. Chimps grow up, they become very powerful. They are very complex in their behavior. They have a whole range of emotions, including violence and anger. And they -- chimps, in chimp society, while you may see a display of compassion, at the same time, you can see chimp murder. We just got back from Uganda, and we, actually, looked at footage of chimps that had murdered another chimp.

COOPER: When you say murder, why would they do that?

CORWIN: Because, the chimp -- the chimp that was murdered had violated the rules by leaving his area of sanctuary, and entered his competitors domain. And the other chimps ganged up on him and they strangled him, broke all his bones and emasculated him. But the thing -- what you have to remember, Anderson, is that it's so easy to vilify the chimps in this situation. The truth is, it goes far beyond this. Why need to ask ourselves, why are the chimps in captivity. Is there a legitimate reason to be having chimps. Is it for the entertainment industry with the cute chimp, when it becomes an adult, why do we do this? Smart, sentient, complex life form, a primate, genetically, very close to ourselves. What's the future for this animal that may live 30, 40 years?

COOPER: According to one report, one of the chimps, we don't know if it was one of the chimps that was involved in this, but at this sanctuary had been in someone's home for 30 years. They had picked it up in Africa, allegedly, from poachers that killed the parents. Raised this thing, and then at 30 years into it, the chimp bit off somebody finger, and they gave it away. And so, it's sort of stuck in this animal sanctuary.

CORWIN: And that's not surprising at all. These chimps, as primates, use intelligence for survival, right? And they use their physical strength for survival, but it's a byproduct of all this. They have no stimulation. They become bored. They become frustrated. And they physically exercise their frustration in violence, as with human beings in some situations. So, again, it goes back to this whole thing -- and it's not just chimps. You can apply it to many wild animals in captivity. Last year, in Texas, eight human beings were critically injured by tigers and lions.

And it's quick to vilify tigers and lions. Yet, they're not native to that part of the world. Chimpanzees are used in the entertainment industry, and then they become throw away casualties of their sexuality, and their adulthood. And then they become prisoners in their captivity, and they have no alternative to diffuse their anger. And unfortunately, human beings, in this case at a sanctuary, who may be doing very good things, people trying to help, got in the way and were injured.

COOPER: It's fascinating. Jeff Corwin, thanks very much.

CORWIN: Thank you.

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COOPER: Well, coming up next on 360, a man who died 100 times and each time, doctors saved his life. Remarkable story.

Also, later tonight, some ways Martha Stewart can use her skills after her prison release in just a few hours.

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COOPER: We've heard a lot of stories of people surviving against incredible odds, but never one quite like this. In Atlanta, a man who'd suffered a heart attack, died in a hospital and was brought back to life not once, no twice, but 100 times. And believe it or not, today he is back living a normal life.

CNN's senior medical correspondent, Dr. Sanjay Gupta explores this medical anomaly, in tonight's "360 MD."

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DR. SANJAY GUPTA, CNN SENIOR MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): You're looking at a man doctors say almost died 100 times. On November 20, 54-year-old Jim McClatchy was rushed into the hospital after his wife found him on the floor of his house, totally unresponsive and blue.

MCCLATCHEY: And the first thing I remember is waking up and having my wife standing, there talking on her cell phone to 911.

GUPTA: McClatchey suffered from ventricular fibrillation, more commonly known as cardiac arrest. By the time he reached the operating room table, he'd be in and out of consciousness.

MCCLATCHEY: And I remember seeing the heart monitor. It was kind of amazing to watch your own heart. And it's doing this, and then it starts doing this. You know you have about three or four seconds before you're going to black out.

DR. CHARLES WILMER, CARDIOLOGIST: He was so unstable that he would literally be shocked, go back into regular rhythm long enough to start to wake up, and then he would fibrillate lose consciousness. And we'd have to shock him again.

GUPTA: Doctors tried everything they could to revive McClatchey, pumping in at least 4 kinds of medications to help him. But the best tool in their arsenal, a defibrillator they used 100 times to revive his failing heart. WILMER: We really were sort of thinking on the go, how can we save this man's life? We've tried all the proven therapies. He's not living. So, let's take a chance, let's make a step, see if we can advance the science.

GUPTA: The chance they took was to continue shocking McClatchey. After a 48-hour period, he narrowly pulled through. By the time it was over, he'd been shocked so many times, doctors say he sustained second degree burns on his chest.

Many doctors would have given up, but no one is happier than McClatchey that they stuck with him.

MCCLATCHEY: Not only do I feel fortunate I survived, I feel fortunate it happened. I mean, I really have been given a great gift. I've had an experience very few people get to have.

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COOPER: Sanjay, that's incredible that he had burns on his chest because he was shocked so much. They call it a medical miracle that he even survived. What caused his cardiac arrest in the first place? Is it known?

GUPTA: We don't know for sure, Anderson. Just looking at him, you can tell he's a pretty healthy guy. Doctors think it was actually sort of a perfect storm of the fact that he was on some cold medications, he had a viral infection and caffeine. And in some situations, the dosage can cause some significant problems with the heart, that's very rare, Anderson.

Even more rare, though, was the fact he survived the initial cardiac arrest. About 95 percent die of patients die of that alone. Getting him to the hospital and then a 100 shocks in the hospital, really remarkable.

COOPER: Why does someone -- I mean, why do some people respond to those shocks and why did his heart not respond?

GUPTA: Well, you know, it seemed that it was responding each time and then going back into the abnormal rhythm. It's really unclear, when someone's in the ventricular fibrillation, that's the fancy term for cardiac arrest, it's just that the heart electricity is not conducting properly. Exactly why that was happening, unclear. As soon as the medications that he was on wore off, that's probably when his heart started to function more normally again.

COOPER: So, if his heart stopped 100 times, is it considered really that really he died 100 times?

GUPTA: No. And this is an important point. The harder question, you might think, Anderson, death is actually defined very narrowly. Each individual hospital have their own criteria for that sort of thing. He almost died 100 times.

But when you die, you actually die. You know, you stay dead. In 1965, for example, they defined brain death when they did the first transplant. So that when someone was brain dead, they could take the organs even though the heart hadn't stopped beating.

Nowadays, death means that there is no breathing, there is no heart beat and there is no brain function. He clearly didn't meet all those criteria. And he's obviously still alive today.

COOPER: All right, 360 MD Sanjay Gupta, thanks.

GUPTA: Thank you.

COOPER: 360 next. Martha Stewart, her freedom just hours away. We have some suggestions on how she can use her skills after prison.

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COOPER: All right, time again to check some viewer mail. We got a number of responses about our teen brain segment last night. And research that shows brains of teens are still developing, particularly in areas of judgment. Brian in St. Marys, Georgia writes, "would you please ask Dr. Gupta if a 16-year-old brain is not developed sufficiently to achieve mature judgment in driving a car, would the brain of a 12-year-old who kills his grandparent be capable of mature judgment sufficient to be tried as an adult for the crime? The jury's judgment must be similarly immature or lacking entirely."

Tony from Sevierville, Tennessee writes -- he really got angry. He writes, "as a 15-year-old viewer, I felt insulted by your teen brain segment which presented junk science relating to the supposed mental inferiority of teenagers and those in their early 20's thereby attacking my brain as well. 16-year-olds are indeed probably the worst drivers in Amercia. Why? Not because we're mentally inferior to you, Mr. Cooper, or anyone else, but because we're new drivers. If you raise the minimum driving age to 18, the status of worst drivers in America will merely be shifted to that particular age bracket."

Tony, I'm sorry you felt insulted. I don't think the report was saying that your brain is inferior. The research simply showed brains take time to develop, and a 16-year-old brain is different than that of a 26-year-old brain.

And finally, from Marie in Potomac Falls, Virginia, "you look whipped buddy. Get some rest."

Marie, I know. I have a herniated disc in my back. I'm not sleeping all that well. But I'm wearing a ton of makeup. If you think I look bad, here's what I look like before makeup. Take a look at this.

Yes, I know. It's tough, isn't it.

I kid. I kid because I'm envious.

As always, send us your thoughts to CNN.com/360. We love getting your viewer e-mail. We read them all even if we don't put them all on TV. Thanks very much. Tonight, taking graciousness to the "Nth Degree."

You know what, she really is the ultimate hostess. Martha Stewart we mean. A wonderful story in today's Wall Street Journal recounts the things she's done in prison: taught those in the slammer with her how to weave, giving them pep talks and financial advice, conducted seminars on sentencing guidelines, made a beautiful floral decoration for the memorial service of a deceased guard. Talk about making the best of a bad situation. And be to get along with just about anyone at all.

With all due respect to Condi Rice, think what Secretary of State Stewart could do. She'd have Iraq Sunnis and Shias working peacefully together sewing up a big patchwork quilt. Kim Jong-il would join her in the kitchen to cook kimchi, and forswear nuclear menace. She'd organize a conga line for Syria's troops and dance them right out of Lebanon. And just imagine Israelis and Palestinians making gingerbread houses together.

Diplomacy, it's a good thing. And having settled those other old and terrible enmities, maybe she can take on one of the worst of all, the one between Republicans and Democrats.

Actually, nah. That be too much for even Martha Stewart.

I'm Anderson Cooper, thanks for watching 360. Primetime coverage continues now with Paula Zahn -- Paula.

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