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Jackson Late for Court; 23-Year-Old College Student Disappears in Indianapolis

Aired March 10, 2005 - 20:00   ET

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NANCY GRACE, CNN HOST: Tonight, is that a pajama party? No, wait. It`s Michael Jackson and his entourage showing up over an hour late to court and wearing his pajamas. The defense blames it on a back ailment. Coincidentally, today is D-Day. Jackson`s child accuser, the alleged child molestation victim, is on the stand with bombshell testimony about pornographic Web sites, feeding alcohol to a child, and, ultimately, alleged child sex molestation.
And then, what has become of Molly Dattilo? The 23-year-old college student disappeared in Indianapolis. And tonight, Molly`s sisters want your help.

Good evening, everybody. I`m Nancy Grace. And I want to thank you for being with us tonight.

Molly Dattilo, a college student from Eastern Kentucky University, home with her family in Indiana last summer. Like a lot of us, in college, went to a local Wendy`s to apply for a job. Molly has never been seen again.

Tonight, her family desperate for your help. Please stay with us to meet them.

But, first, it`s a pajama party, everybody. Grab your pillow. Michael Jackson showed up to court today in his pajamas. Let`s see. I got my umbrella. I`ve got my pajamas. I`ve got my entourage. I`ve got my family members. OK, I`m ready for court.

This is after the Judge Rodney Melville ordered a bench warrant for Jackson`s arrest for a no-show to court this morning. Jackson claims he was down in the back.

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WENDY CAPPETTA, VP, SANTA YNEZ VALLEY COTTAGE HOSPITAL: He was here very briefly this morning. He arrived early in the morning. He was released about an hour later and made his way back to court for the judge`s order. So that`s all we have to say. And thank you very much for being here, but that`s it.

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GRACE: We`ll explain the consequences to you of a B.F., a bond forfeiture.

Tonight, in New York, defense attorneys Richard Herman and Alex Sanchez. In L.A., former prosecutor, Mary Fulginiti. Also in New York, psychotherapist Dr. Robi Ludwig.

But, first, to Santa Maria and "Celebrity Justice" correspondent Jane Velez-Mitchell.

Jane, what a day. Bring me up to date.

JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL, "CELEBRITY JUSTICE" CORRESPONDENT: It was one of the most astounding days in a courtroom ever. It`s 8:30 a.m. We`re all there waiting. The jury is outside, though. And suddenly the judge comes in. "I see that the defendant`s not present."

His attorney, Tom Mesereau, jumps up. "He has got a serious back problem, judge. He is in a hospital." The judge doesn`t want to hear it, doesn`t want to talk to the doctor, and says, "I am issuing a warrant for Michael Jackson`s arrest. I`m forfeiting bail, but I`m going to hold it for an hour." And then the clock starts ticking.

And it`s a mad scramble to get Michael Jackson from this hospital about 37 miles away to this courthouse. It`s literally like a race. In fact, if the sheriff`s really wanted to get him, they could have pulled him over and given him a speeding ticket, because it would have thrown him out of the box for getting here as it was.

All the reporters are in a pen outside waiting for this motorcade to arrive. The motorcade finally arrives. The doors fly open before it even stops. And out comes Michael Jackson moving very slowly for somebody who is at least four minutes late and could go to jail. He finally makes it in.

And the judge, I guess, decides to be a nice guy and not send him to jail and let the four minutes or five minutes go. Some say it`s up to eight minutes late by the time he actually got in front of the judge.

And they resumed with this key day of testimony. The accuser on the stand telling his story of molestation allegedly by Michael Jackson. And I don`t think it`s any coincidence that Michael Jackson chose this particular day to do what he did.

GRACE: OK.

I`m going to ask my producer, Elizabeth, while we are talking, could you run that again? Because I had a viewer out of Miami, Christina Sanchez (ph), write me today, and she noticed that while Jackson`s -- yes. Take it from the top. OK.

While he is gingerly walking in with this alleged back ailment, oh, tippy-toe, tippy-toe, here we go. He`s walking in. OK. You can get off his shoes, Elizabeth, but thanks. OK, still walking in.

At some point, a fan calls out to him. Let`s see if we got that shot. And he whips around to shoot a peace sign. I`ve been watching it all day. I don`t know if this is the shot or not.

Here it comes. Here it comes. Oh, hey, thanks, Elizabeth. Keep working on that shot, Elizabeth.

Let me go out to Mary Fulginiti. Hi, friend. What do you think of Judge Melville letting Michael Jackson off the hook?

MARY FULGINITI, FORMER PROSECUTOR: Yes, you know, I was a little surprised, especially after the arraignment, you know, when he showing up late given the fact that he was outside the entire time greeting his fans. I thought he might at least forfeit some of the bond. But he did say, "Get there in an hour." He got there, you know, realistically, I guess, within the hour just about, and wanted to just continue with the proceedings.

But I think the judge sent a very strong message that he`s in control of the courtroom. He`s in control of these proceedings. And Michael Jackson, if you don`t show up on time again, you are going to get arrested. And I`m going to forfeit the bail and/or throw you into jail. So I think Michael Jackson will probably be on time for the remainder of the proceedings.

GRACE: Let me go back to Jane Velez-Mitchell joining us outside the courthouse. Jane, aside from the pajama party Jackson was throwing, tell me about the testimony from the stand.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes. And this was a day of absolutely compelling testimony by this accuser. I mean, this is the crucial day of the trial. The accuser talking about what he says Michael Jackson did to him.

And he says that on two occasions, Michael Jackson masturbated him. He says that Michael Jackson started talking to him about how masturbation was normal, that males need to do it. The boy says that Michael Jackson told him a story about another boy that he`d observed once that didn`t masturbate who ended up having sex with a dog. And said if males get to a level if they don`t masturbate, they might have to rape a girl.

I mean, this is incredibly graphic. And then says that Michael Jackson on two occasions reached over and masturbated him while they were in his bedroom at Neverland. But, of course, who`s dominating the subject today of this trial? Michael Jackson himself with what he pulled this morning. And you know, he is really in a sense in control. You say the judge is in control, but I think because he is really dominating what the headlines are going to be, in a way, Michael Jackson is a puppet master. He`s proven that today.

GRACE: Robi Ludwig, in this case, the comments that Jane Velez- Mitchell was just describing -- as a matter of fact, Elizabeth, can we pull up that screen, the graph, of the testimony today by the boy accuser? It`s very similar to what Jane was just telling us.

"He told me he saw a boy one time who didn`t masturbate and had sex with a dog. He also went on to say that if the child didn`t masturbate, he could end up raping a woman."

DR. ROBI LUDWIG, PSYCHOTHERAPIST: Yes. I mean, if Michael Jackson said this, this is clearly very disturbing because it`s manipulative. And it`s not true. And it sounds...

GRACE: I mean, what does this do to a kid to hear things like this? I mean, it`s hard enough actually to repeat them out of the courtroom, but for a child to be hearing that kind of talk.

LUDWIG: That`s such a sense of betrayal, because really children are inclined to trust adults. And that`s why pedophiles are so dangerous because children are powerless, really. And that`s why they`re targeted. And so when they hear things like this, it just really is off-putting and it disturbs their sense of who they can trust and who they can listen to.

GRACE: We are showing you that one shot again. Unfortunately, we`ve got a shot of the feet. But if you saw from the waist up in that shot, Jackson turns around, and turns his upper torso back toward the crowd to shoot a peace sign at some fans.

Very quickly, Alex, is he a big faker?

ALEX SANCHEZ, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: No. I don`t know if he`s a faker. Those statements that were supposedly made, by the way, about the raping of the dog or something...

GRACE: No, I`m talking to you about showing up late to court in your pajamas.

SANCHEZ: Yes, showing up late -- maybe the guy did have a back problem. And I think the judge treated him unfairly, quite frankly, because the judge did not want to speak to the lawyer or speak to the doctor. Maybe this guy was legitimately hurt.

GRACE: Jane, when was it that he claimed he had the flu, and the doctor said it was flu-like systems, and Jackson moon-walked right out of the hospital while some poor lady was having a heart attack down the hall? That was just, what, seven or eight days ago?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes, I mean, this is the second time in this case. And he`s bitten from this apple, you might say -- how many times can he do this again? This was a very crucial day. And some feel he kind of stole the thunder from the prosecution.

I mean, they got off to a late start. And imagine this boy, the accuser, this is a very difficult day for him. He has got to get up there and confront Michael Jackson, the superstar, and tell this very, very embarrassing story. And he`s sort of ready to do it. He`s in the wings. And then, suddenly, there`s this disruption.

I mean, it could rattle someone. And I don`t know if that was the purpose of it. But, certainly, it`s like throwing a hand grenade in the whole case.

GRACE: I mean, the reality is, Jane, that he went through the whole day with his hair uncombed in his pajamas in front of the jury. So everybody talking about how Jackson won the day and controlled the courtroom, reality check: The jury saw the guy with his hair a big mess, uncombed, unkempt, in his P.J.s, his jammies. I don`t see how any defense attorney can say this was a win for Jackson in court today. Stay with us.

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DIANE DIMOND, COURT TV REPORTER: Michael Jackson looks like he`s clearly in distress. His hair was not combed. He was not wearing his impeccable costumes today. His demeanor seemed to have him listing to the left a little bit as if he`s having a lower back problem.

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GRACE: This is a shot of Michael Jackson on an earlier day coming into the courtroom, a far cry from what went down today.

Welcome back, everybody. I`m Nancy Grace. Thank you for being with us.

Jane Velez-Mitchell, aside from Jackson showing up in the pajamas, how did the testimony go?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, it was extremely compelling. I mean, this young man told his story in tremendous detail, not just about the alleged molestations but about drinking. He says they drank virtually every night at Neverland after returning from the trip to Miami. And he talked about drinking wine, which he said Michael referred to as "Jesus Juice," and vodka, and something he called "Jim Bean." And they asked him, don`t you mean Jim Beam? And he really didn`t know what it was. He said "Jim Bean," B-E-A-N. And that kind of got a chuckle in the gallery.

But he says at one point, he claims Michael Jackson actually gave him a clear liquid that he thought was water. And he says he kind of chug-a- lugged it thinking it was water and then he started to burn. He actually started to burn to the point that his head was spinning and he stuck the head in a couch, because when he was a kid and he used to spin around, he remembered being able to do that and make the room stop spinning.

It was testimony like that. It was very disturbing, frankly.

GRACE: Earlier today, when Mesereau found out that Jackson wasn`t coming to court, he went out on the sidewalk looking, calling, pacing, trying to find his client. This is after Rodney Melville, the judge, had said Jackson`s bond would be forfeited. In other words, the $3 million he put up would be forfeited and Jackson would go to jail.

Now, listen, by all accounts, Mesereau, a veteran trial lawyer, can you imagine, Richard Herman, your client not showing up? This is not the first time Jackson has made a mockery of the court system. And there`s Mesereau on the barbecue taking the heat. What do you do with that, Richard?

RICHARD HERMAN, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, Nancy, it`s inconceivable to me that no one in the Jackson camp called their attorney to say, "Look, we are rushing him to the hospital. He`s got a problem." But, frankly, Nancy, I thought his Bela Lugosi imitation when he got to court was great today. I mean, he walked nice and slow. He looked just like Bela Lugosi coming out of the coffin there.

But I can`t -- Mesereau is obviously embarrassed by this. And I don`t think it will ever happen again during the course of this trial.

GRACE: Whoa, whoa. You know what? If I were a betting woman, I would take you up on that.

Listen, when you think back on it, Jane, remember the Mottola case where Jackson showed up on crutches, claiming he had a spider bite on his toe. Then he made the horny sign. Do we have a shot of that, Elizabeth, where Jackson -- there you go. That`s in court.

I don`t know what Alex and Richard want to do with that. But if my client did that, I would fire him pronto.

Let`s see. Then, in `93, when Jackson was facing those earlier child molestation charges, instead of flying home to have naked photos taken, remember, he got sick and went into rehab, Jane. Then, let`s see. Oh, at the time of the arrest, remember that?

Hey, Elizabeth, how about that booking photo? Complete full hour of hair and makeup. Remember he said he got a dislocated shoulder because of police brutality then? And then got out and danced on the SUV and waved at everybody? You know, every time the heat is on, Jackson gets sick.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Absolutely. He has a history of calling in sick and getting ill during legal proceedings. And, in fact, his attorney, one of his attorneys, Brian Oxman, actually acknowledged that to me in an interview I did after he was scheduled to give a deposition a couple of years ago. And told me flat out -- we have it on camera -- Michael Jackson doesn`t eat, he doesn`t sleep when he has a legal proceeding. He gets run down, and he often gets sick, that it`s extremely traumatic for him.

But I question the timing. I certainly do not begrudge somebody for being ill. And the judge was very careful to warn the jury, Michael Jackson had a medical issue. This is not any commentary on his guilt or innocence.

But I question the timing on this day, the most crucial day of this trial when the accuser takes the stand to go with a back problem to a hospital and be an hour late. To me, that is, I think, very possibly a calculated move designed to throw everything into chaos, to steal the thunder, to steal the spotlight, and essentially make everything that happens in court backstage.

LUDWIG: Well, I think that to assume that it`s calculated is making a very big assumption. There are people who have fragile personalities who get sick. Their body reacts when they are anxious, depressed, embarrassed, overwhelmed. I mean, that is a very big possibility here.

GRACE: If this were somebody else, their bond would have been forfeited. And they wouldn`t go home tonight.

LUDWIG: Well, that`s possible.

GRACE: They would be going to jail tonight.

LUDWIG: That`s possible.

GRACE: I mean, really -- were you a prosecutor before you were a defense lawyer?

SANCHEZ: No, I was not. I was a defense attorney, but I disagree.

GRACE: Richard, were you a prosecutor before you were a defense lawyer?

HERMAN: ... and I think you are overreacting here, Nancy.

GRACE: Well, I asked you a question. Were you a prosecutor before you were a defense lawyer?

HERMAN: No, I was never on the dark side. No.

GRACE: Let me clue everybody in. When people don`t show up for court, especially on felony trials and you`re on bond, you lose that privilege of bond. Your bond is forfeited, sometimes even when you`re late. So I was kind of surprised that this being the second or third time Jackson shown up late...

HERMAN: Nancy, if he didn`t go to the hospital...

GRACE: ... that his bond wasn`t forfeited.

HERMAN: If he wasn`t in the hospital, I agree. This judge probably would have put him in the can tonight. But he had an excuse. He was at the hospital. There are records that reflect that. And people get injured every now and then. He got injured today. And I think the judge did the right thing.

SANCHEZ: I think because Michael Jackson is who he is and he`s a famous, well-known personality, that`s exactly why the judge would threaten to revoke his bond. Most judges, because I`ve been in the same situation as Michael Jackson`s attorney...

GRACE: Well, let me just go to...

SANCHEZ: ... most judges will give the attorney a chance to get the person in.

GRACE: Quick break, everybody.

To "Trial Tracking": A stunning development in the Lefkow double murder. The federal judge found her husband and 89-year-old mom shot execution-style in their Chicago home. Last night, a man pulled over by Wisconsin police for a broken tail light committed suicide on the scene, leaving a note claiming responsibility for the double murder.

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OFFICE RICKY ORLOWSKI, WEST ALLIS POLICE DEPT.: I just started to lean forward to the window because he hadn`t rolled it down. I thought maybe he didn`t see me behind him right away. All of a sudden, the gunshot came out. Felt the concussion, glass hit me in the face. I was like, "That guy just shot at me." Took a couple of steps back, drew my weapon.

I fully expected either to have more rounds come out or have him come out at me. He didn`t. I didn`t return any fire at him, retreated back to my squad car, got to the rear part of it so I could see back into the rear window, and noticed that he was slumped over.

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GRACE: Is it legit or a hoax perpetrated by a radical hate groupie?

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DIMOND: Michael Jackson arrived at court an hour and 40 minutes late. He was wearing a white collarless shirt, a button down, a very simple black blazer and what appeared to be pajama bottoms.

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GRACE: Welcome back, everybody.

Let`s go straight out to California. Standing by, Jane Velez- Mitchell.

Jane, in a nutshell, could you tell me the gist of the boy`s testimony once it finally got started?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, the gist of the testimony is that he thought Michael Jackson was the coolest person in the world and thought he was his best friend until, he claims, things got sinister with the superstar and the superstar began plying him with alcohol and ultimately allegedly masturbating him.

One of the most distressing things that I think I heard is that this boy said while he was drinking, he said to Michael, he claims, "I only have one kidney. I shouldn`t be drinking." And then Michael said, "Don`t worry about it. It`s going to be OK. Don`t worry about it."

Now, if the jury believes that, that`s damaging.

GRACE: Jane, during this testimony, how`s the jury reacting?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, I have been clobbered by people wanting some incredible reaction from the jury. I mean, where are the tears? I can`t force them to do anything. They`re quite stone-faced. They are taking notes. They are paying attention. They`re looking back and forth, but there is absolutely no giving away of the hand.

Is that because they haven`t made up their minds? Is it because they are doing what the judge said and postponing judgment until all the evidence is in? Is it perhaps because they`re not bonding with the accuser? I spoke to an ex-prosecutor who said that, normally, she had the tendency to see a little more empathy on the juror`s faces and she wasn`t seeing it.

GRACE: Robi Ludwig, what do you make of it?

LUDWIG: You know, you have to remember, it is possible for children to falsely accuse adults of sexual abuse. I just want to put that out there.

GRACE: OK, I just got -- so far tonight you`ve said that Jackson probably did have a back ailment. And that you`re suggesting this child is making up the accusation.

LUDWIG: No. I`m not suggesting that.

GRACE: What are you doing here?

LUDWIG: No. I am not suggesting that.

GRACE: Then why did you say that?

LUDWIG: Because it is possible. And I think that people...

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GRACE: ... testimony, and you have heard no cross-examine on it at all. Your response to this boy`s allegation is, well, some kids make things up. Now why would you say that?

LUDWIG: Because I think it`s really important to know that just because a child makes a claim that they`re sexually abused that that does not necessarily mean that it is the case. There are cases where there are false allegations, Nancy. And I feel that that needs to be mentioned. And, in cases like that, it usually has...

GRACE: But that`s your comment on the evidence today. OK.

LUDWIG: It`s a possibility.

GRACE: Quick break, everybody.

We here at NANCY GRACE want desperately to help find missing people. Tonight, take a look at Annali Pichardo, abducted in Woodstock, Illinois, 2001. This girl is believed to be in Mexico City. Annali now eight-years- old. If you have any information, please call the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, 1-800-THE-LOST.

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RENAY SAN MIGUEL, CNN ANCHOR: Hi, everybody. I`m Renay San Miguel. Here`s your "Headline Prime Newsbreak."

The Senate approved a bill today that would overhaul U.S. bankruptcy law. It would toughen the requirements for filing for bankruptcy, effectively barring thousands of Americans from dissolving medical and credit card debt and instead putting them under court-ordered repayment plans. The bill now goes to the House.

Is your cell phone bill longer than your phone book? The FCC wants cell phone companies to follow truth-in-billing guidelines that traditional carriers adhere to. Those include making the charges on your bill brief, clear, and in plain language. Officials say they should be folded into the base rate so consumers have a more accurate cost comparison.

Military officials announced today court-martial proceedings will begin May 3rd for Lynndie England. She is the Army private in the photos of Iraqi prisoners being humiliated. If convicted, she could face up to 16 1/2 years in prison. Her defense argues England and others in her unit were following orders.

That`s the news for now. I`m Renay San Miguel. Now back to NANCY GRACE.

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DIMOND: I was one of the two people standing pool here when Michael Jackson came in. And when he came in, we were, oh, 20 feet away. And as he slowly walked by, I said, "Mr. Jackson, are you all right?" And he looked in our direction, but he really couldn`t focus or didn`t focus on us. And then I said, "Are you OK?" And he just slowly moved in. He was clearly in distress, clearly in pain.

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GRACE: Welcome back, everybody. Michael Jackson is showing up over an hour late today to court in his pajamas. Very quickly out to L.A., standing by, veteran prosecutor, Mary Fulginiti.

Mary, what do you make of the boy`s testimony? Forget the pajamas and the dramatic entrance. Let`s talk about the facts of the case. What do you make of the testimony?

FULGINITI: Yes, I think it`s very damaging. I mean, this boy is giving very specific details about alcohol that Michael Jackson fed to him. And that conduct, as we all know, is completely and wholly inappropriate and wrong.

And this is really a very large piece of the prosecutor`s case, because they`re claiming that, obviously, Michael Jackson plied this boy with alcohol in an effort -- and prior to committing some of the lewd acts. So I think the damaging -- his testimony is not just damaging, but the detail in particular, like even the "Jim Bean" and him not knowing what it is, that to me resonates truth, that he`s actually telling the truth in what occurred here. So I actually think this is very harmful testimony. And we`ll have to see what they do to rebut it.

GRACE: Mary, what`s interesting to me is while, yes, it is quite the spectacle for someone to show up so incredibly late to your felony child molestation trial and in your pajamas, but it seems as if the devastating nature in my mind of the testimony today has been overshadowed by Jackson in his pajamas.

FULGINITI: You know what? I actually sort of disagree with this spin that the panel`s putting on his appearance today. Because I don`t think that this shows that Jackson was in control of this courtroom.

GRACE: I don`t either.

FULGINITI: If I was the prosecutor, I`d got to tell you, I`d be really ecstatic that Michael Jackson showed up in pajamas, looking distressed on the day that he was going to hear extremely damaging testimony about him. Not only does it feed the prosecutor`s theory about him, that he is, you know, weird, eccentric and acts inappropriately, consistently inappropriately, but on a day when Michael Jackson should be showing that he all together, that he is going to look at this boy in the eye. And that he should be sitting there, you know, professing his supposed innocence.

I think it is extremely damaging for him. And if I was Tom Sneddon, I would be ecstatic. I would just sit back and say, you know what, let Michael Jackson do his thing because he is going to basically prove my case for me.

GRACE: Mary, I`m getting a lot of flack on the panel tonight regarding bond forfeitures. You know, when you have got a calendar of 80, 100, 150 new felonies and they don`t show up to court, their bond gets forfeited, end of story. Now, if they show up before 5 o`clock by the end of the day, you may get a reversal on the bond forfeiture. But very often, it`s too late. You`re not there for the calendar call. Your bond is forfeited.

FULGINITI: Yes, no, I agree with you, Nancy. But I see the discrepancy in the California courts. In federal court, that`s definitely the way it`s handled. The courts are very strict. The judges are stricter. But in state court in California, I have seen the judges be far more lenient.

But, I think, on a day when jurors are sitting there, everybody is waiting -- this is a spectacle, this case -- and he doesn`t show up, you know, until, you know, an hour and 40 minutes into the proceedings when they should have begun, the judge should have done something, even if was only forfeit a portion of his bail, he should have forfeited some of the money to send a message to Jackson that you can`t do this anymore.

GRACE: Yes, Jane Velez-Mitchell, Mary is right. That is S.O.P., standard operating procedure, in courts of law. You`re out on bond as a privilege, OK? You don`t always have to get out on bond. That`s allowed. You get out on bond, then you`re supposed to show up at each and every calendar call on time. I`ve seen judges routinely forfeit bond when people were late to court. They cool their heels overnight behind bars, then they get their bond reinstated the next day.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And, Nancy, I think the reason why the judge didn`t do that is that he didn`t want to sort of get sucked into the Michael Jackson vortex. That would have sent the trial spinning off into a side issue. And he wants to move the trial forward.

GRACE: I think you are right, Jane Velez. I think what would have been appropriate is what I`ve seen veteran trial judges do many, many times, they revoke the bond when the person is late. At 5 o`clock, at the end of the day, after the person sits there and sweats it out until 5 o`clock, they let them have their bond back. So at least they`re scared all day, Jane Velez-Mitchell. At least they`re afraid justice will take place.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Absolutely. I think the judge really played it well, because he sent a message, "Don`t fool around with me," but he didn`t get distracted. Remember, his priority number one is to get this trial done, to move it forward. There are people who say it could last as much as eight months.

So if you get distracted and also give him -- if he went to jail. Imagine what we would be covering right now. We`d be covering him in jail. Tomorrow would be another drama. So it would just be a complete distraction.

GRACE: You know what? That`s a darn good point. I think Melville outsmarted me again.

To you, Alex, I`m convinced that you`re convinced this boy is coached. Has anything at all been said in the courtroom to make you think that?

SANCHEZ: No. I`m concerned about the testimony that was given by this boy. Except there`s one big...

GRACE: What specifically?

SANCHEZ: There`s one big gaping hole in this case that the public needs to know about. Bashir made this documentary on Monday...

GRACE: I asked you about the boy`s testimony.

SANCHEZ: The boy`s testimony, it was troubling, but it`s not being confirmed by any other witnesses. It seems to me...

GRACE: You just heard two witnesses before him that corroborated him.

SANCHEZ: Right, it was two witnesses that corroborated. However...

GRACE: You just said there was no corroboration.

SANCHEZ: How can we know -- how could we possibly know that this boy`s telling the truth and not being...

GRACE: All right. So, bottom line, you have heard nothing in court to make you think he was coached? You`re just saying he was coached.

SANCHEZ: No, I do not hear any -- by the parents.

GRACE: Why? Why are you saying that?

SANCHEZ: Because the parent want money in this case. There`s $20 million that they want tax-free and they`re going after that money.

GRACE: Question.

SANCHEZ: Go ahead.

GRACE: Have you heard one thing in court to make you believe this child was coached? Name one thing.

SANCHEZ: Do I believe one thing? What I believe is that the testimony of this child was coached by the parents.

GRACE: OK. If you don`t have anything, that`s fine.

SANCHEZ: They`ve hired an attorney. They want a lot of money.

GRACE: That`s fine. That`s fine. You still have not pointed to one thing that sounds rehearsed or coached.

SANCHEZ: I know. You have to look at the totality of circumstances. You don`t look at one little tiny bit of the case, Nancy. The whole is the sum of its part.

GRACE: OK, you are throwing me into a cardiac fit here.

Let me quickly go back out to Jane Velez-Mitchell. Jane, before I got myself hijacked here, you were telling me the high points and the low points of the testimony today.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And I do have to say that Tom Mesereau began his cross-examination. Everybody expected D.A. Tom Sneddon to sort of carry it out until the end of the day so that that would be what the jurors were left with for three days because there is no testimony tomorrow. But he stopped about 25 minutes before the end of the day.

Tom Mesereau came in like gangbusters and started to try to rip up this boy`s story. And he`s very good at that. I mean, Tom Mesereau is a brilliant attorney who can demolish somebody on cross-examination. Now, this boy was feisty and talked back to the point that the judge warned both of them not to argue with each other. It was that kind of day. Actually, the last thing you`d expect after all of this is this boy to start talking back, which is exactly what he did.

GRACE: What do you mean talking back? What did he say?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, in other words, Tom Mesereau would say, "You say that Michael Jackson didn`t really help you with your cancer. But didn`t he? He brought you out to Neverland. He conducted a blood drive." And the boy was like, "No. I mean, I thought he was my best friend. And he was at Neverland when he told me he wasn`t at Neverland. And he was avoiding me." And that`s something that just about broke my heart. "And George Lopez and Chris Tucker did blah blah."

I mean, he was talking back. He wasn`t just keeping his head down and very quietly mumbling yes or no answers. In fact, at one point, he goes, "Yes, you see, Mr. Mesereau" --- and they cut him off, because he was a little brazen, some might say. Now, I don`t know if that`s going to work for or against the prosecution. That might actually rob him of some of the sympathy factor that he got from the jurors.

GRACE: We`ll be right back with Richard Herman, defense attorney joining us, as well as the veteran prosecutor, Mary Fulginiti. Stay with us.

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GRACE: Michael Jackson en route to the courtroom in his jammies. Of course, that may have been overshadowed to everyone else but the jury by the boy accuser on the stand today. Long, long testimony for this now 15- year-old boy.

Very quickly, let`s go around the robin to Richard Herman, final thought?

HERMAN: Well, Nancy, this young accuser, along with his brother and his sister, have now admitted to this jury that they have lied in the past. Mesereau`s got three days to prepare for this cross-examination on Monday. I think this kid`s going to be exposed on Monday, big time.

GRACE: Alex Sanchez?

SANCHEZ: You know, some parents do incredible things to their kids. They beat them, they kill them, they poison them. What is so incredible to believe that these parents would tell their kids to go into court and lie? Is that such an impossible thought to believe?

GRACE: Of course, both veteran defense attorneys side-stepping the issue of the sworn testimony today regarding child molestation.

Beautifully done, gentlemen.

To prosecutor Mary Fulginiti?

FULGINITI: You know, thus far, we have heard the testimony of the accuser`s sister, the brother, and now the accuser himself, all of whom are corroborating the fact that this boy was molested by Michael Jackson. I believe that we will see even further corroboration, not only in the form of testimony but in physical evidence, which will just lock down the fact that this is what occurred.

GRACE: Jane Velez-Mitchell, I`m still wondering if the cops are going to bring in the hard drive off that computer to corroborate this boy`s story that on day one in Neverland, Jackson took him to a Web site of pornography.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: I think if they -- whatever they have, they are going to use. And my final thought on this case today: Michael Jackson upstaged his accuser. Will it help him or hurt him? That`s the question we don`t know the answer to.

GRACE: Jane Velez-Mitchell, you`re great. To all of my guests on this panel, thank you for being with me. And I hope we live to fight another day.

All the defense attorneys that I`m torturing tonight, veteran trial lawyers, and have won their share of cases, both Alex and Richard. Thank you, everyone.

To our next story. Like so many college and high school students, they want summer jobs. Well, last July, 23-year-old college student Molly Dattilo did just that. She has never been seen since.

Tonight, Molly`s family needs your help. With us tonight, Molly`s sisters, in Salt Lake City, Kendra Skidmore, and in St. Louis, Celestra Hoffman.

Ladies, thank you for being with us.

Very quickly to Celestra, what can you tell me about the last time your sister was seen?

CELESTRA DATTILO HOFFMAN, SISTER OF MISSING GIRL: Well, she came to my house the weekend before she disappeared because it was Fourth of July weekend. And she was telling me about her goals, because she always had them and she always wanted to make herself better, even though she`s an incredible person. She always tries to improve upon her skills and her talent.

And she was -- her goal was to go to "American Idol" and she had to, you know, she had to pay some expenses for a car so she said she had to get a job so she could pay for a car so that she could make it down to "American Idol" in August. And I don`t really know anymore details because, you know, we are all doing our own thing. And I`m just listening as, you know, as I`m working.

And I`m so glad I had the opportunity to talk to her because I know when my sister makes a goal, she always keeps her goal. And that`s why I know that something horrible has happened to her.

GRACE: To Kendra Skidmore, would Molly have just left?

KENDRA SKIDMORE, SISTER OF MISSING GIRL: No. She was always in regular contact with, you know, either friends or family members. She didn`t go more than a couple of days without talking to my mother. We know something`s happened.

GRACE: Let me ask you, Kendra, what can you tell us about the day Molly Dattilo went missing?

SKIDMORE: Well, what we do know is that she did attend her music classes at IUP there in Indianapolis. We know that in her car there were things for her hobbies found and a receipt that was dated July 6th. So we know it was that day.

We know that -- we know that she went to pick up an application at the Wendy`s because there was a witness that said that she did, in fact, make it there. And we were just recently informed by Marion County Sheriff`s Department that she did make it back to Westlake Apartment. So that`s something that`s pretty new.

GRACE: So she made it back to her apartment?

SKIDMORE: That`s right.

GRACE: Do you believe, Kendra, that someone followed her, either from the Wendy`s, from the parking lot, back to her...

SKIDMORE: I just can`t say. We just have no idea what happened. So after that point.

GRACE: Have there been any signs of foul play, Kendra?

SKIDMORE: Well, you know, to the family, there`s very obvious signs. The fact that she left behind all her personal items. All she had, you know, was basically the clothes on her back and her house keys. So we know she didn`t intend to go anywhere. There`s no evidence she packed a bag.

GRACE: You said she did pack a bag?

SKIDMORE: No. I said there`s no evidence that she packed a bag.

GRACE: OK.

SKIDMORE: Yes. I`m sorry. What was the question again?

GRACE: Yes, I was asking you what signs of foul play, when you said her personal items were left behind, are you talking about her wallet, her cell phone, what?

SKIDMORE: Yes, she had no money with her. She had no personal items with her.

GRACE: Question: She was only in Indianapolis for the summer, right?

SKIDMORE: That`s right. Yes.

GRACE: Did she know anybody other than her brother?

SKIDMORE: Yes. There`s some other friends that she had. And I have spoken to them. I don`t think that anyone that I have talked to has anything to do with it as far as I can tell.

GRACE: We`re showing you shots of Molly Dattilo. Molly went missing after going to a Wendy`s to apply for a summer job. She was a college student with big dreams ahead of her. A very disturbing story. Not a trace of this girl has been found since she went looking for a job that day.

Celestra, what was Molly like? What`s the personality?

HOFFMAN: Oh, she`s a wonderfully talented person. And I just wanted to comment that she actually left her car behind, also, which is -- I mean, if someone had a car, and they wanted to go somewhere, they would have taken it.

But anyway, to go on to Molly, she is a fabulous person. She is talented, the most talented person I know. She was state runner in high school, in cross-country and track. She sang very well. She was in swimming. She was academically -- she did very well.

She could do anything. She could do anything she wants to do. And, although she was so talented, I mean, she continued to, you know, gain skills all the time. I`d see her reading up on things.

If she wanted to play guitar, she would be reading up on how to play that guitar. She just was self-driven, and she can do anything she wants to do. And she`s just fabulous, a fabulous person.

GRACE: You know, she seems beautiful on the inside and the outside. It`s just shining through in her photos.

With us tonight, Celestra and Kendra, sisters of Molly Dattilo. Molly has gone missing.

As we go to break, to "Trial Tracking" in the Scott Peterson case. His lawyers are fighting the jury`s death penalty decision. Defense lawyer Mark Geragos subpoenaed book publisher Harper-Collins for details on book deals that they made with Peterson`s ex, Amber Frey, and his half-sister, Anne Bird.

Geragos is arguing Frey had a pecuniary or money interest when she testified for the state. As to Anne Bird, well, she never testified at trial. Peterson convicted of murdering his wife, Laci, and their unborn child, Conner. Local news is next for some of you, but we`ll be right back. And, remember, we bring you live coverage of Jackson, Blake and Johnson, Court TV, 3:00 to 5:00.

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GRACE: Let me thank all of my guests tonight, Jane Velez-Mitchell, Richard Herman, Alex Sanchez, Mary Fulginiti, Robi Ludwig, psychotherapist, Kendra Skidmore and Celestra Dattilo Hoffman.

But my biggest thank you to you for being with us and inviting us into your home tonight.

Coming up next, headlines from around the world. And tomorrow night, a case very dear to my heart, an exclusive interview we Elizabeth Gottlieb, a newly widowed mother of two. Her husband, James, gunned down blocks from his home in Long Island after being stopped by a criminal, a fake cop, complete with sirens, handcuffs, flashing lights, the works.

I`m Nancy Grace signing off for tonight. I hope you join us back here 8 o`clock sharp. Until then, good night, friend.

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ELIZABETH GOTTLIEB, HUSBAND MURDERED: Some people on the side of the road said that they heard someone was murdered. And then I said -- I was falling apart. And I went back in my car. I said, "Brian, go around the other way. It looks like your father`s car."

I looked again and then I sent him to look because we didn`t want to believe that it was the car. And my husband, nowhere to be found. Doors open on all the houses. People all around, police tape, lights and everything.

And then when my son said, "It looks like the car, but there`s a lot of car that look like that," I got out. I said, "Wait here with your sister." I had to find a police officer. And I just came across someone in the street. I said, "Is that a Mercury Mystique?"

And I fell apart at that point, because they had told me. And he didn`t make it. I mean, I wanted to believe that maybe he just had gotten hurt and he was alive in the hospital or something, but those weren`t the words that I heard. It sends shivers through me.

I can just imagine what happened that night. I go over it and over it in my mind. I drive past there a lot. And every time I drive past there I can`t help but think about it. I couldn`t be there with him. I can imagine his struggle. I can imagine him bleeding, and it just terrifies me. Every time we`re in the house, we think about him. Every time we drive.

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NANCY GRACE, CNN HOST: Tonight, is that a pajama party? No, wait. It`s Michael Jackson and his entourage showing up over an hour late to court and wearing his pajamas. The defense blames it on a back ailment. Coincidentally, today is D-Day. Jackson`s child accuser, the alleged child molestation victim, is on the stand with bombshell testimony about pornographic Web sites, feeding alcohol to a child, and, ultimately, alleged child sex molestation.
And then, what has become of Molly Dattilo? The 23-year-old college student disappeared in Indianapolis. And tonight, Molly`s sisters want your help.

Good evening, everybody. I`m Nancy Grace. And I want to thank you for being with us tonight.

Molly Dattilo, a college student from Eastern Kentucky University, home with her family in Indiana last summer. Like a lot of us, in college, went to a local Wendy`s to apply for a job. Molly has never been seen again.

Tonight, her family desperate for your help. Please stay with us to meet them.

But, first, it`s a pajama party, everybody. Grab your pillow. Michael Jackson showed up to court today in his pajamas. Let`s see. I got my umbrella. I`ve got my pajamas. I`ve got my entourage. I`ve got my family members. OK, I`m ready for court.

This is after the Judge Rodney Melville ordered a bench warrant for Jackson`s arrest for a no-show to court this morning. Jackson claims he was down in the back.

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WENDY CAPPETTA, VP, SANTA YNEZ VALLEY COTTAGE HOSPITAL: He was here very briefly this morning. He arrived early in the morning. He was released about an hour later and made his way back to court for the judge`s order. So that`s all we have to say. And thank you very much for being here, but that`s it.

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GRACE: We`ll explain the consequences to you of a B.F., a bond forfeiture.

Tonight, in New York, defense attorneys Richard Herman and Alex Sanchez. In L.A., former prosecutor, Mary Fulginiti. Also in New York, psychotherapist Dr. Robi Ludwig.

But, first, to Santa Maria and "Celebrity Justice" correspondent Jane Velez-Mitchell.

Jane, what a day. Bring me up to date.

JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL, "CELEBRITY JUSTICE" CORRESPONDENT: It was one of the most astounding days in a courtroom ever. It`s 8:30 a.m. We`re all there waiting. The jury is outside, though. And suddenly the judge comes in. "I see that the defendant`s not present."

His attorney, Tom Mesereau, jumps up. "He has got a serious back problem, judge. He is in a hospital." The judge doesn`t want to hear it, doesn`t want to talk to the doctor, and says, "I am issuing a warrant for Michael Jackson`s arrest. I`m forfeiting bail, but I`m going to hold it for an hour." And then the clock starts ticking.

And it`s a mad scramble to get Michael Jackson from this hospital about 37 miles away to this courthouse. It`s literally like a race. In fact, if the sheriff`s really wanted to get him, they could have pulled him over and given him a speeding ticket, because it would have thrown him out of the box for getting here as it was.

All the reporters are in a pen outside waiting for this motorcade to arrive. The motorcade finally arrives. The doors fly open before it even stops. And out comes Michael Jackson moving very slowly for somebody who is at least four minutes late and could go to jail. He finally makes it in.

And the judge, I guess, decides to be a nice guy and not send him to jail and let the four minutes or five minutes go. Some say it`s up to eight minutes late by the time he actually got in front of the judge.

And they resumed with this key day of testimony. The accuser on the stand telling his story of molestation allegedly by Michael Jackson. And I don`t think it`s any coincidence that Michael Jackson chose this particular day to do what he did.

GRACE: OK.

I`m going to ask my producer, Elizabeth, while we are talking, could you run that again? Because I had a viewer out of Miami, Christina Sanchez (ph), write me today, and she noticed that while Jackson`s -- yes. Take it from the top. OK.

While he is gingerly walking in with this alleged back ailment, oh, tippy-toe, tippy-toe, here we go. He`s walking in. OK. You can get off his shoes, Elizabeth, but thanks. OK, still walking in.

At some point, a fan calls out to him. Let`s see if we got that shot. And he whips around to shoot a peace sign. I`ve been watching it all day. I don`t know if this is the shot or not.

Here it comes. Here it comes. Oh, hey, thanks, Elizabeth. Keep working on that shot, Elizabeth.

Let me go out to Mary Fulginiti. Hi, friend. What do you think of Judge Melville letting Michael Jackson off the hook?

MARY FULGINITI, FORMER PROSECUTOR: Yes, you know, I was a little surprised, especially after the arraignment, you know, when he showing up late given the fact that he was outside the entire time greeting his fans. I thought he might at least forfeit some of the bond. But he did say, "Get there in an hour." He got there, you know, realistically, I guess, within the hour just about, and wanted to just continue with the proceedings.

But I think the judge sent a very strong message that he`s in control of the courtroom. He`s in control of these proceedings. And Michael Jackson, if you don`t show up on time again, you are going to get arrested. And I`m going to forfeit the bail and/or throw you into jail. So I think Michael Jackson will probably be on time for the remainder of the proceedings.

GRACE: Let me go back to Jane Velez-Mitchell joining us outside the courthouse. Jane, aside from the pajama party Jackson was throwing, tell me about the testimony from the stand.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes. And this was a day of absolutely compelling testimony by this accuser. I mean, this is the crucial day of the trial. The accuser talking about what he says Michael Jackson did to him.

And he says that on two occasions, Michael Jackson masturbated him. He says that Michael Jackson started talking to him about how masturbation was normal, that males need to do it. The boy says that Michael Jackson told him a story about another boy that he`d observed once that didn`t masturbate who ended up having sex with a dog. And said if males get to a level if they don`t masturbate, they might have to rape a girl.

I mean, this is incredibly graphic. And then says that Michael Jackson on two occasions reached over and masturbated him while they were in his bedroom at Neverland. But, of course, who`s dominating the subject today of this trial? Michael Jackson himself with what he pulled this morning. And you know, he is really in a sense in control. You say the judge is in control, but I think because he is really dominating what the headlines are going to be, in a way, Michael Jackson is a puppet master. He`s proven that today.

GRACE: Robi Ludwig, in this case, the comments that Jane Velez- Mitchell was just describing -- as a matter of fact, Elizabeth, can we pull up that screen, the graph, of the testimony today by the boy accuser? It`s very similar to what Jane was just telling us.

"He told me he saw a boy one time who didn`t masturbate and had sex with a dog. He also went on to say that if the child didn`t masturbate, he could end up raping a woman."

DR. ROBI LUDWIG, PSYCHOTHERAPIST: Yes. I mean, if Michael Jackson said this, this is clearly very disturbing because it`s manipulative. And it`s not true. And it sounds...

GRACE: I mean, what does this do to a kid to hear things like this? I mean, it`s hard enough actually to repeat them out of the courtroom, but for a child to be hearing that kind of talk.

LUDWIG: That`s such a sense of betrayal, because really children are inclined to trust adults. And that`s why pedophiles are so dangerous because children are powerless, really. And that`s why they`re targeted. And so when they hear things like this, it just really is off-putting and it disturbs their sense of who they can trust and who they can listen to.

GRACE: We are showing you that one shot again. Unfortunately, we`ve got a shot of the feet. But if you saw from the waist up in that shot, Jackson turns around, and turns his upper torso back toward the crowd to shoot a peace sign at some fans.

Very quickly, Alex, is he a big faker?

ALEX SANCHEZ, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: No. I don`t know if he`s a faker. Those statements that were supposedly made, by the way, about the raping of the dog or something...

GRACE: No, I`m talking to you about showing up late to court in your pajamas.

SANCHEZ: Yes, showing up late -- maybe the guy did have a back problem. And I think the judge treated him unfairly, quite frankly, because the judge did not want to speak to the lawyer or speak to the doctor. Maybe this guy was legitimately hurt.

GRACE: Jane, when was it that he claimed he had the flu, and the doctor said it was flu-like systems, and Jackson moon-walked right out of the hospital while some poor lady was having a heart attack down the hall? That was just, what, seven or eight days ago?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes, I mean, this is the second time in this case. And he`s bitten from this apple, you might say -- how many times can he do this again? This was a very crucial day. And some feel he kind of stole the thunder from the prosecution.

I mean, they got off to a late start. And imagine this boy, the accuser, this is a very difficult day for him. He has got to get up there and confront Michael Jackson, the superstar, and tell this very, very embarrassing story. And he`s sort of ready to do it. He`s in the wings. And then, suddenly, there`s this disruption.

I mean, it could rattle someone. And I don`t know if that was the purpose of it. But, certainly, it`s like throwing a hand grenade in the whole case.

GRACE: I mean, the reality is, Jane, that he went through the whole day with his hair uncombed in his pajamas in front of the jury. So everybody talking about how Jackson won the day and controlled the courtroom, reality check: The jury saw the guy with his hair a big mess, uncombed, unkempt, in his P.J.s, his jammies. I don`t see how any defense attorney can say this was a win for Jackson in court today. Stay with us.

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DIANE DIMOND, COURT TV REPORTER: Michael Jackson looks like he`s clearly in distress. His hair was not combed. He was not wearing his impeccable costumes today. His demeanor seemed to have him listing to the left a little bit as if he`s having a lower back problem.

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GRACE: This is a shot of Michael Jackson on an earlier day coming into the courtroom, a far cry from what went down today.

Welcome back, everybody. I`m Nancy Grace. Thank you for being with us.

Jane Velez-Mitchell, aside from Jackson showing up in the pajamas, how did the testimony go?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, it was extremely compelling. I mean, this young man told his story in tremendous detail, not just about the alleged molestations but about drinking. He says they drank virtually every night at Neverland after returning from the trip to Miami. And he talked about drinking wine, which he said Michael referred to as "Jesus Juice," and vodka, and something he called "Jim Bean." And they asked him, don`t you mean Jim Beam? And he really didn`t know what it was. He said "Jim Bean," B-E-A-N. And that kind of got a chuckle in the gallery.

But he says at one point, he claims Michael Jackson actually gave him a clear liquid that he thought was water. And he says he kind of chug-a- lugged it thinking it was water and then he started to burn. He actually started to burn to the point that his head was spinning and he stuck the head in a couch, because when he was a kid and he used to spin around, he remembered being able to do that and make the room stop spinning.

It was testimony like that. It was very disturbing, frankly.

GRACE: Earlier today, when Mesereau found out that Jackson wasn`t coming to court, he went out on the sidewalk looking, calling, pacing, trying to find his client. This is after Rodney Melville, the judge, had said Jackson`s bond would be forfeited. In other words, the $3 million he put up would be forfeited and Jackson would go to jail.

Now, listen, by all accounts, Mesereau, a veteran trial lawyer, can you imagine, Richard Herman, your client not showing up? This is not the first time Jackson has made a mockery of the court system. And there`s Mesereau on the barbecue taking the heat. What do you do with that, Richard?

RICHARD HERMAN, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, Nancy, it`s inconceivable to me that no one in the Jackson camp called their attorney to say, "Look, we are rushing him to the hospital. He`s got a problem." But, frankly, Nancy, I thought his Bela Lugosi imitation when he got to court was great today. I mean, he walked nice and slow. He looked just like Bela Lugosi coming out of the coffin there.

But I can`t -- Mesereau is obviously embarrassed by this. And I don`t think it will ever happen again during the course of this trial.

GRACE: Whoa, whoa. You know what? If I were a betting woman, I would take you up on that.

Listen, when you think back on it, Jane, remember the Mottola case where Jackson showed up on crutches, claiming he had a spider bite on his toe. Then he made the horny sign. Do we have a shot of that, Elizabeth, where Jackson -- there you go. That`s in court.

I don`t know what Alex and Richard want to do with that. But if my client did that, I would fire him pronto.

Let`s see. Then, in `93, when Jackson was facing those earlier child molestation charges, instead of flying home to have naked photos taken, remember, he got sick and went into rehab, Jane. Then, let`s see. Oh, at the time of the arrest, remember that?

Hey, Elizabeth, how about that booking photo? Complete full hour of hair and makeup. Remember he said he got a dislocated shoulder because of police brutality then? And then got out and danced on the SUV and waved at everybody? You know, every time the heat is on, Jackson gets sick.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Absolutely. He has a history of calling in sick and getting ill during legal proceedings. And, in fact, his attorney, one of his attorneys, Brian Oxman, actually acknowledged that to me in an interview I did after he was scheduled to give a deposition a couple of years ago. And told me flat out -- we have it on camera -- Michael Jackson doesn`t eat, he doesn`t sleep when he has a legal proceeding. He gets run down, and he often gets sick, that it`s extremely traumatic for him.

But I question the timing. I certainly do not begrudge somebody for being ill. And the judge was very careful to warn the jury, Michael Jackson had a medical issue. This is not any commentary on his guilt or innocence.

But I question the timing on this day, the most crucial day of this trial when the accuser takes the stand to go with a back problem to a hospital and be an hour late. To me, that is, I think, very possibly a calculated move designed to throw everything into chaos, to steal the thunder, to steal the spotlight, and essentially make everything that happens in court backstage.

LUDWIG: Well, I think that to assume that it`s calculated is making a very big assumption. There are people who have fragile personalities who get sick. Their body reacts when they are anxious, depressed, embarrassed, overwhelmed. I mean, that is a very big possibility here.

GRACE: If this were somebody else, their bond would have been forfeited. And they wouldn`t go home tonight.

LUDWIG: Well, that`s possible.

GRACE: They would be going to jail tonight.

LUDWIG: That`s possible.

GRACE: I mean, really -- were you a prosecutor before you were a defense lawyer?

SANCHEZ: No, I was not. I was a defense attorney, but I disagree.

GRACE: Richard, were you a prosecutor before you were a defense lawyer?

HERMAN: ... and I think you are overreacting here, Nancy.

GRACE: Well, I asked you a question. Were you a prosecutor before you were a defense lawyer?

HERMAN: No, I was never on the dark side. No.

GRACE: Let me clue everybody in. When people don`t show up for court, especially on felony trials and you`re on bond, you lose that privilege of bond. Your bond is forfeited, sometimes even when you`re late. So I was kind of surprised that this being the second or third time Jackson shown up late...

HERMAN: Nancy, if he didn`t go to the hospital...

GRACE: ... that his bond wasn`t forfeited.

HERMAN: If he wasn`t in the hospital, I agree. This judge probably would have put him in the can tonight. But he had an excuse. He was at the hospital. There are records that reflect that. And people get injured every now and then. He got injured today. And I think the judge did the right thing.

SANCHEZ: I think because Michael Jackson is who he is and he`s a famous, well-known personality, that`s exactly why the judge would threaten to revoke his bond. Most judges, because I`ve been in the same situation as Michael Jackson`s attorney...

GRACE: Well, let me just go to...

SANCHEZ: ... most judges will give the attorney a chance to get the person in.

GRACE: Quick break, everybody.

To "Trial Tracking": A stunning development in the Lefkow double murder. The federal judge found her husband and 89-year-old mom shot execution-style in their Chicago home. Last night, a man pulled over by Wisconsin police for a broken tail light committed suicide on the scene, leaving a note claiming responsibility for the double murder.

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OFFICE RICKY ORLOWSKI, WEST ALLIS POLICE DEPT.: I just started to lean forward to the window because he hadn`t rolled it down. I thought maybe he didn`t see me behind him right away. All of a sudden, the gunshot came out. Felt the concussion, glass hit me in the face. I was like, "That guy just shot at me." Took a couple of steps back, drew my weapon.

I fully expected either to have more rounds come out or have him come out at me. He didn`t. I didn`t return any fire at him, retreated back to my squad car, got to the rear part of it so I could see back into the rear window, and noticed that he was slumped over.

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GRACE: Is it legit or a hoax perpetrated by a radical hate groupie?

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DIMOND: Michael Jackson arrived at court an hour and 40 minutes late. He was wearing a white collarless shirt, a button down, a very simple black blazer and what appeared to be pajama bottoms.

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GRACE: Welcome back, everybody.

Let`s go straight out to California. Standing by, Jane Velez- Mitchell.

Jane, in a nutshell, could you tell me the gist of the boy`s testimony once it finally got started?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, the gist of the testimony is that he thought Michael Jackson was the coolest person in the world and thought he was his best friend until, he claims, things got sinister with the superstar and the superstar began plying him with alcohol and ultimately allegedly masturbating him.

One of the most distressing things that I think I heard is that this boy said while he was drinking, he said to Michael, he claims, "I only have one kidney. I shouldn`t be drinking." And then Michael said, "Don`t worry about it. It`s going to be OK. Don`t worry about it."

Now, if the jury believes that, that`s damaging.

GRACE: Jane, during this testimony, how`s the jury reacting?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, I have been clobbered by people wanting some incredible reaction from the jury. I mean, where are the tears? I can`t force them to do anything. They`re quite stone-faced. They are taking notes. They are paying attention. They`re looking back and forth, but there is absolutely no giving away of the hand.

Is that because they haven`t made up their minds? Is it because they are doing what the judge said and postponing judgment until all the evidence is in? Is it perhaps because they`re not bonding with the accuser? I spoke to an ex-prosecutor who said that, normally, she had the tendency to see a little more empathy on the juror`s faces and she wasn`t seeing it.

GRACE: Robi Ludwig, what do you make of it?

LUDWIG: You know, you have to remember, it is possible for children to falsely accuse adults of sexual abuse. I just want to put that out there.

GRACE: OK, I just got -- so far tonight you`ve said that Jackson probably did have a back ailment. And that you`re suggesting this child is making up the accusation.

LUDWIG: No. I`m not suggesting that.

GRACE: What are you doing here?

LUDWIG: No. I am not suggesting that.

GRACE: Then why did you say that?

LUDWIG: Because it is possible. And I think that people...

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GRACE: ... testimony, and you have heard no cross-examine on it at all. Your response to this boy`s allegation is, well, some kids make things up. Now why would you say that?

LUDWIG: Because I think it`s really important to know that just because a child makes a claim that they`re sexually abused that that does not necessarily mean that it is the case. There are cases where there are false allegations, Nancy. And I feel that that needs to be mentioned. And, in cases like that, it usually has...

GRACE: But that`s your comment on the evidence today. OK.

LUDWIG: It`s a possibility.

GRACE: Quick break, everybody.

We here at NANCY GRACE want desperately to help find missing people. Tonight, take a look at Annali Pichardo, abducted in Woodstock, Illinois, 2001. This girl is believed to be in Mexico City. Annali now eight-years- old. If you have any information, please call the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, 1-800-THE-LOST.

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RENAY SAN MIGUEL, CNN ANCHOR: Hi, everybody. I`m Renay San Miguel. Here`s your "Headline Prime Newsbreak."

The Senate approved a bill today that would overhaul U.S. bankruptcy law. It would toughen the requirements for filing for bankruptcy, effectively barring thousands of Americans from dissolving medical and credit card debt and instead putting them under court-ordered repayment plans. The bill now goes to the House.

Is your cell phone bill longer than your phone book? The FCC wants cell phone companies to follow truth-in-billing guidelines that traditional carriers adhere to. Those include making the charges on your bill brief, clear, and in plain language. Officials say they should be folded into the base rate so consumers have a more accurate cost comparison.

Military officials announced today court-martial proceedings will begin May 3rd for Lynndie England. She is the Army private in the photos of Iraqi prisoners being humiliated. If convicted, she could face up to 16 1/2 years in prison. Her defense argues England and others in her unit were following orders.

That`s the news for now. I`m Renay San Miguel. Now back to NANCY GRACE.

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DIMOND: I was one of the two people standing pool here when Michael Jackson came in. And when he came in, we were, oh, 20 feet away. And as he slowly walked by, I said, "Mr. Jackson, are you all right?" And he looked in our direction, but he really couldn`t focus or didn`t focus on us. And then I said, "Are you OK?" And he just slowly moved in. He was clearly in distress, clearly in pain.

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GRACE: Welcome back, everybody. Michael Jackson is showing up over an hour late today to court in his pajamas. Very quickly out to L.A., standing by, veteran prosecutor, Mary Fulginiti.

Mary, what do you make of the boy`s testimony? Forget the pajamas and the dramatic entrance. Let`s talk about the facts of the case. What do you make of the testimony?

FULGINITI: Yes, I think it`s very damaging. I mean, this boy is giving very specific details about alcohol that Michael Jackson fed to him. And that conduct, as we all know, is completely and wholly inappropriate and wrong.

And this is really a very large piece of the prosecutor`s case, because they`re claiming that, obviously, Michael Jackson plied this boy with alcohol in an effort -- and prior to committing some of the lewd acts. So I think the damaging -- his testimony is not just damaging, but the detail in particular, like even the "Jim Bean" and him not knowing what it is, that to me resonates truth, that he`s actually telling the truth in what occurred here. So I actually think this is very harmful testimony. And we`ll have to see what they do to rebut it.

GRACE: Mary, what`s interesting to me is while, yes, it is quite the spectacle for someone to show up so incredibly late to your felony child molestation trial and in your pajamas, but it seems as if the devastating nature in my mind of the testimony today has been overshadowed by Jackson in his pajamas.

FULGINITI: You know what? I actually sort of disagree with this spin that the panel`s putting on his appearance today. Because I don`t think that this shows that Jackson was in control of this courtroom.

GRACE: I don`t either.

FULGINITI: If I was the prosecutor, I`d got to tell you, I`d be really ecstatic that Michael Jackson showed up in pajamas, looking distressed on the day that he was going to hear extremely damaging testimony about him. Not only does it feed the prosecutor`s theory about him, that he is, you know, weird, eccentric and acts inappropriately, consistently inappropriately, but on a day when Michael Jackson should be showing that he all together, that he is going to look at this boy in the eye. And that he should be sitting there, you know, professing his supposed innocence.

I think it is extremely damaging for him. And if I was Tom Sneddon, I would be ecstatic. I would just sit back and say, you know what, let Michael Jackson do his thing because he is going to basically prove my case for me.

GRACE: Mary, I`m getting a lot of flack on the panel tonight regarding bond forfeitures. You know, when you have got a calendar of 80, 100, 150 new felonies and they don`t show up to court, their bond gets forfeited, end of story. Now, if they show up before 5 o`clock by the end of the day, you may get a reversal on the bond forfeiture. But very often, it`s too late. You`re not there for the calendar call. Your bond is forfeited.

FULGINITI: Yes, no, I agree with you, Nancy. But I see the discrepancy in the California courts. In federal court, that`s definitely the way it`s handled. The courts are very strict. The judges are stricter. But in state court in California, I have seen the judges be far more lenient.

But, I think, on a day when jurors are sitting there, everybody is waiting -- this is a spectacle, this case -- and he doesn`t show up, you know, until, you know, an hour and 40 minutes into the proceedings when they should have begun, the judge should have done something, even if was only forfeit a portion of his bail, he should have forfeited some of the money to send a message to Jackson that you can`t do this anymore.

GRACE: Yes, Jane Velez-Mitchell, Mary is right. That is S.O.P., standard operating procedure, in courts of law. You`re out on bond as a privilege, OK? You don`t always have to get out on bond. That`s allowed. You get out on bond, then you`re supposed to show up at each and every calendar call on time. I`ve seen judges routinely forfeit bond when people were late to court. They cool their heels overnight behind bars, then they get their bond reinstated the next day.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And, Nancy, I think the reason why the judge didn`t do that is that he didn`t want to sort of get sucked into the Michael Jackson vortex. That would have sent the trial spinning off into a side issue. And he wants to move the trial forward.

GRACE: I think you are right, Jane Velez. I think what would have been appropriate is what I`ve seen veteran trial judges do many, many times, they revoke the bond when the person is late. At 5 o`clock, at the end of the day, after the person sits there and sweats it out until 5 o`clock, they let them have their bond back. So at least they`re scared all day, Jane Velez-Mitchell. At least they`re afraid justice will take place.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Absolutely. I think the judge really played it well, because he sent a message, "Don`t fool around with me," but he didn`t get distracted. Remember, his priority number one is to get this trial done, to move it forward. There are people who say it could last as much as eight months.

So if you get distracted and also give him -- if he went to jail. Imagine what we would be covering right now. We`d be covering him in jail. Tomorrow would be another drama. So it would just be a complete distraction.

GRACE: You know what? That`s a darn good point. I think Melville outsmarted me again.

To you, Alex, I`m convinced that you`re convinced this boy is coached. Has anything at all been said in the courtroom to make you think that?

SANCHEZ: No. I`m concerned about the testimony that was given by this boy. Except there`s one big...

GRACE: What specifically?

SANCHEZ: There`s one big gaping hole in this case that the public needs to know about. Bashir made this documentary on Monday...

GRACE: I asked you about the boy`s testimony.

SANCHEZ: The boy`s testimony, it was troubling, but it`s not being confirmed by any other witnesses. It seems to me...

GRACE: You just heard two witnesses before him that corroborated him.

SANCHEZ: Right, it was two witnesses that corroborated. However...

GRACE: You just said there was no corroboration.

SANCHEZ: How can we know -- how could we possibly know that this boy`s telling the truth and not being...

GRACE: All right. So, bottom line, you have heard nothing in court to make you think he was coached? You`re just saying he was coached.

SANCHEZ: No, I do not hear any -- by the parents.

GRACE: Why? Why are you saying that?

SANCHEZ: Because the parent want money in this case. There`s $20 million that they want tax-free and they`re going after that money.

GRACE: Question.

SANCHEZ: Go ahead.

GRACE: Have you heard one thing in court to make you believe this child was coached? Name one thing.

SANCHEZ: Do I believe one thing? What I believe is that the testimony of this child was coached by the parents.

GRACE: OK. If you don`t have anything, that`s fine.

SANCHEZ: They`ve hired an attorney. They want a lot of money.

GRACE: That`s fine. That`s fine. You still have not pointed to one thing that sounds rehearsed or coached.

SANCHEZ: I know. You have to look at the totality of circumstances. You don`t look at one little tiny bit of the case, Nancy. The whole is the sum of its part.

GRACE: OK, you are throwing me into a cardiac fit here.

Let me quickly go back out to Jane Velez-Mitchell. Jane, before I got myself hijacked here, you were telling me the high points and the low points of the testimony today.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And I do have to say that Tom Mesereau began his cross-examination. Everybody expected D.A. Tom Sneddon to sort of carry it out until the end of the day so that that would be what the jurors were left with for three days because there is no testimony tomorrow. But he stopped about 25 minutes before the end of the day.

Tom Mesereau came in like gangbusters and started to try to rip up this boy`s story. And he`s very good at that. I mean, Tom Mesereau is a brilliant attorney who can demolish somebody on cross-examination. Now, this boy was feisty and talked back to the point that the judge warned both of them not to argue with each other. It was that kind of day. Actually, the last thing you`d expect after all of this is this boy to start talking back, which is exactly what he did.

GRACE: What do you mean talking back? What did he say?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, in other words, Tom Mesereau would say, "You say that Michael Jackson didn`t really help you with your cancer. But didn`t he? He brought you out to Neverland. He conducted a blood drive." And the boy was like, "No. I mean, I thought he was my best friend. And he was at Neverland when he told me he wasn`t at Neverland. And he was avoiding me." And that`s something that just about broke my heart. "And George Lopez and Chris Tucker did blah blah."

I mean, he was talking back. He wasn`t just keeping his head down and very quietly mumbling yes or no answers. In fact, at one point, he goes, "Yes, you see, Mr. Mesereau" --- and they cut him off, because he was a little brazen, some might say. Now, I don`t know if that`s going to work for or against the prosecution. That might actually rob him of some of the sympathy factor that he got from the jurors.

GRACE: We`ll be right back with Richard Herman, defense attorney joining us, as well as the veteran prosecutor, Mary Fulginiti. Stay with us.

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GRACE: Michael Jackson en route to the courtroom in his jammies. Of course, that may have been overshadowed to everyone else but the jury by the boy accuser on the stand today. Long, long testimony for this now 15- year-old boy.

Very quickly, let`s go around the robin to Richard Herman, final thought?

HERMAN: Well, Nancy, this young accuser, along with his brother and his sister, have now admitted to this jury that they have lied in the past. Mesereau`s got three days to prepare for this cross-examination on Monday. I think this kid`s going to be exposed on Monday, big time.

GRACE: Alex Sanchez?

SANCHEZ: You know, some parents do incredible things to their kids. They beat them, they kill them, they poison them. What is so incredible to believe that these parents would tell their kids to go into court and lie? Is that such an impossible thought to believe?

GRACE: Of course, both veteran defense attorneys side-stepping the issue of the sworn testimony today regarding child molestation.

Beautifully done, gentlemen.

To prosecutor Mary Fulginiti?

FULGINITI: You know, thus far, we have heard the testimony of the accuser`s sister, the brother, and now the accuser himself, all of whom are corroborating the fact that this boy was molested by Michael Jackson. I believe that we will see even further corroboration, not only in the form of testimony but in physical evidence, which will just lock down the fact that this is what occurred.

GRACE: Jane Velez-Mitchell, I`m still wondering if the cops are going to bring in the hard drive off that computer to corroborate this boy`s story that on day one in Neverland, Jackson took him to a Web site of pornography.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: I think if they -- whatever they have, they are going to use. And my final thought on this case today: Michael Jackson upstaged his accuser. Will it help him or hurt him? That`s the question we don`t know the answer to.

GRACE: Jane Velez-Mitchell, you`re great. To all of my guests on this panel, thank you for being with me. And I hope we live to fight another day.

All the defense attorneys that I`m torturing tonight, veteran trial lawyers, and have won their share of cases, both Alex and Richard. Thank you, everyone.

To our next story. Like so many college and high school students, they want summer jobs. Well, last July, 23-year-old college student Molly Dattilo did just that. She has never been seen since.

Tonight, Molly`s family needs your help. With us tonight, Molly`s sisters, in Salt Lake City, Kendra Skidmore, and in St. Louis, Celestra Hoffman.

Ladies, thank you for being with us.

Very quickly to Celestra, what can you tell me about the last time your sister was seen?

CELESTRA DATTILO HOFFMAN, SISTER OF MISSING GIRL: Well, she came to my house the weekend before she disappeared because it was Fourth of July weekend. And she was telling me about her goals, because she always had them and she always wanted to make herself better, even though she`s an incredible person. She always tries to improve upon her skills and her talent.

And she was -- her goal was to go to "American Idol" and she had to, you know, she had to pay some expenses for a car so she said she had to get a job so she could pay for a car so that she could make it down to "American Idol" in August. And I don`t really know anymore details because, you know, we are all doing our own thing. And I`m just listening as, you know, as I`m working.

And I`m so glad I had the opportunity to talk to her because I know when my sister makes a goal, she always keeps her goal. And that`s why I know that something horrible has happened to her.

GRACE: To Kendra Skidmore, would Molly have just left?

KENDRA SKIDMORE, SISTER OF MISSING GIRL: No. She was always in regular contact with, you know, either friends or family members. She didn`t go more than a couple of days without talking to my mother. We know something`s happened.

GRACE: Let me ask you, Kendra, what can you tell us about the day Molly Dattilo went missing?

SKIDMORE: Well, what we do know is that she did attend her music classes at IUP there in Indianapolis. We know that in her car there were things for her hobbies found and a receipt that was dated July 6th. So we know it was that day.

We know that -- we know that she went to pick up an application at the Wendy`s because there was a witness that said that she did, in fact, make it there. And we were just recently informed by Marion County Sheriff`s Department that she did make it back to Westlake Apartment. So that`s something that`s pretty new.

GRACE: So she made it back to her apartment?

SKIDMORE: That`s right.

GRACE: Do you believe, Kendra, that someone followed her, either from the Wendy`s, from the parking lot, back to her...

SKIDMORE: I just can`t say. We just have no idea what happened. So after that point.

GRACE: Have there been any signs of foul play, Kendra?

SKIDMORE: Well, you know, to the family, there`s very obvious signs. The fact that she left behind all her personal items. All she had, you know, was basically the clothes on her back and her house keys. So we know she didn`t intend to go anywhere. There`s no evidence she packed a bag.

GRACE: You said she did pack a bag?

SKIDMORE: No. I said there`s no evidence that she packed a bag.

GRACE: OK.

SKIDMORE: Yes. I`m sorry. What was the question again?

GRACE: Yes, I was asking you what signs of foul play, when you said her personal items were left behind, are you talking about her wallet, her cell phone, what?

SKIDMORE: Yes, she had no money with her. She had no personal items with her.

GRACE: Question: She was only in Indianapolis for the summer, right?

SKIDMORE: That`s right. Yes.

GRACE: Did she know anybody other than her brother?

SKIDMORE: Yes. There`s some other friends that she had. And I have spoken to them. I don`t think that anyone that I have talked to has anything to do with it as far as I can tell.

GRACE: We`re showing you shots of Molly Dattilo. Molly went missing after going to a Wendy`s to apply for a summer job. She was a college student with big dreams ahead of her. A very disturbing story. Not a trace of this girl has been found since she went looking for a job that day.

Celestra, what was Molly like? What`s the personality?

HOFFMAN: Oh, she`s a wonderfully talented person. And I just wanted to comment that she actually left her car behind, also, which is -- I mean, if someone had a car, and they wanted to go somewhere, they would have taken it.

But anyway, to go on to Molly, she is a fabulous person. She is talented, the most talented person I know. She was state runner in high school, in cross-country and track. She sang very well. She was in swimming. She was academically -- she did very well.

She could do anything. She could do anything she wants to do. And, although she was so talented, I mean, she continued to, you know, gain skills all the time. I`d see her reading up on things.

If she wanted to play guitar, she would be reading up on how to play that guitar. She just was self-driven, and she can do anything she wants to do. And she`s just fabulous, a fabulous person.

GRACE: You know, she seems beautiful on the inside and the outside. It`s just shining through in her photos.

With us tonight, Celestra and Kendra, sisters of Molly Dattilo. Molly has gone missing.

As we go to break, to "Trial Tracking" in the Scott Peterson case. His lawyers are fighting the jury`s death penalty decision. Defense lawyer Mark Geragos subpoenaed book publisher Harper-Collins for details on book deals that they made with Peterson`s ex, Amber Frey, and his half-sister, Anne Bird.

Geragos is arguing Frey had a pecuniary or money interest when she testified for the state. As to Anne Bird, well, she never testified at trial. Peterson convicted of murdering his wife, Laci, and their unborn child, Conner. Local news is next for some of you, but we`ll be right back. And, remember, we bring you live coverage of Jackson, Blake and Johnson, Court TV, 3:00 to 5:00.

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GRACE: Let me thank all of my guests tonight, Jane Velez-Mitchell, Richard Herman, Alex Sanchez, Mary Fulginiti, Robi Ludwig, psychotherapist, Kendra Skidmore and Celestra Dattilo Hoffman.

But my biggest thank you to you for being with us and inviting us into your home tonight.

Coming up next, headlines from around the world. And tomorrow night, a case very dear to my heart, an exclusive interview we Elizabeth Gottlieb, a newly widowed mother of two. Her husband, James, gunned down blocks from his home in Long Island after being stopped by a criminal, a fake cop, complete with sirens, handcuffs, flashing lights, the works.

I`m Nancy Grace signing off for tonight. I hope you join us back here 8 o`clock sharp. Until then, good night, friend.

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ELIZABETH GOTTLIEB, HUSBAND MURDERED: Some people on the side of the road said that they heard someone was murdered. And then I said -- I was falling apart. And I went back in my car. I said, "Brian, go around the other way. It looks like your father`s car."

I looked again and then I sent him to look because we didn`t want to believe that it was the car. And my husband, nowhere to be found. Doors open on all the houses. People all around, police tape, lights and everything.

And then when my son said, "It looks like the car, but there`s a lot of car that look like that," I got out. I said, "Wait here with your sister." I had to find a police officer. And I just came across someone in the street. I said, "Is that a Mercury Mystique?"

And I fell apart at that point, because they had told me. And he didn`t make it. I mean, I wanted to believe that maybe he just had gotten hurt and he was alive in the hospital or something, but those weren`t the words that I heard. It sends shivers through me.

I can just imagine what happened that night. I go over it and over it in my mind. I drive past there a lot. And every time I drive past there I can`t help but think about it. I couldn`t be there with him. I can imagine his struggle. I can imagine him bleeding, and it just terrifies me. Every time we`re in the house, we think about him. Every time we drive.

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