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New, Tougher SAT Starts This Year; Wisconsin Church Shooter Identified As Terry Ratzmann; Pakistani Army Caputre 10 al Qaeda In Raid

Aired March 13, 2005 - 16:00   ET

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RUDI BAKHTIAR, CNN ANCHOR: What is this? Or rather who is this? He's not Michael Jackson, but he plays him on television. "Iron Chef" move over, it's the annual Army cook-off and hundreds of soldier's chefs want to win this particular battle.
And what used to take three hours, but now takes almost four. We're going to tell you about that.

Hello, everyone. Welcome to CNN SUNDAY. I'm Rudi Bakhtiar. All of that and a lot more after a check of the headlines for you.

On the mend and back at the Vatican, Pope John Paul II left the hospital in Rome today where he's been recovering from his latest health crisis. A full report on his homecoming coming up in about seven minutes for you.

And preparing to cooperate with the world. Iranian President Mohamed Khatami on his trip to Venezuelan says Tehran is ready to suspend its uranium enrichment program, at least temporarily, but the Iranian insists that his country has a right to nuclear technology. The concession comes just one day after the U.S. agreed not to block Iran's application to join the World Trade Organization.

Vowing to dismantle an authorized Jewish settlements, Israel's cabinet today agreeing that 24 of them in the West Bank have to go. Ministers stopped short of setting a time frame for taking the enclaves down. According to the U.S.-backed road map to peace plan, Israel must remove all Jewish settlements created since March of 2001.

It is day two in two of America's biggest cities, both Atlanta and Milwaukee are trying to come to terms with two shooting sprees that have left numerous people dead or wounded. We have a live reports from both communities. Let's start with CNN's Jonathan Freed. He's in Brookfield, Wisconsin, a suburb of Milwaukee.

Jonathan, what can you tell us?

JONATHAN FREED, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, Rudi, I can tell you that police came out earlier today and confirmed the name of the shooting suspect, the gunman in this case. That's Terry Ratzmann. And he is 44-years-old from New Berlin, Wisconsin, Rudi, which is not too far from us here.

Now, police say that Ratzmann entered the room at that Sheridan Hotel here in Brookfield, Wisconsin without warning, without saying anything and just started shooting.

Now all of it, they say, lasted approximately one minute. After which time he took his own life. But earlier today, the police chief let us in on some of the details of that. And let's hear what he has to say.

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CHIEF DANIEL TUSHAUS, BROOKFIELD POLICE: It appears that the suspect entered into the room during the service. He entered from the back of the room. He did not give any warning, or provided any verbiage before firing a handgun.

At this time we believe 22 rounds were fired by the suspect. He reloaded the weapon once during the exchange of gunfire. And then, as witnesses have reported to us, shot himself in the head.

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FREED: Now police have searched his home, the suspect's home. And they say they have not found a suicide note or any other indication as to why he did this.

They are, though, working on two main theories as a possible motive. One of them is that Ratzmann had either already lost or was about to lose his job. Saying that he was a contract employee here in this area. But they wouldn't give any specifics about the type of work he was in or where he was working.

The other theory that their working on as a possible motive, Rudi, is that perhaps Ratzmann was upset by something he heard at a church service two weeks ago where witnesses say that he walked out looking upset right in the middle of the service.

Now, there were seven people killed, eight if you count Ratzmann when he took his own life. And of those seven people, it includes Randy Gregory who is identified as the 51-year-old pastor of the Living Church of God here in Brookfield -- Rudi.

BAKHTIAR: Tragic story there.

Jonathan, we know that authorities were talking to about 50 to 60 witnesses. Any news coming out of that yet?

FREED: Not yet, not yet.

They are still questioning these people. And they say it's a very long process. They've gone through everybody at least once. But they're hoping to give us more information tomorrow. And we are hoping that they're going to give us more of an indication as to where the suspect worked and sketch a bit wider profile of him.

BAKHTIAR: All right. Jonathan Freed in Brookfield, Wisconsin. Thank you.

Let's move on to Shane Colwell, who was Ratzmann's neighbor. He is on the phone with us from New Berlin, Wisconsin.

Shane, thank you so much for joining us right now.

SHANE COLWELL, NEIGHBOR OF TERRY RATZMANN (via telephone): You're welcome.

BAKHTIAR: How well did you know this person?

COLWELL: Not a personal friendship, just a neighbor relationship. We lived next door to each other, garage faces each other. I we talked to each other while we were mowing the lawns and shovelling driveways.

BAKHTIAR: How many times would you say you would see him in the course of a week, for example?

COLWELL: Once, twice in the winter. Two, three times in the summer when we were out more.

BAKHTIAR: Was he friendly? Was he socially opened?

COLWELL: Yes. He was a completely average guy, to me, anyway. He didn't really talk to many other people in the neighborhood. He didn't go out of his way to meet anybody. But the only reason we're talking in the media so that anybody who didn't talk to him gets an idea that he was some kind of normal guy.

BAKHTIAR: What about his family? Did you see any of his family members? Did you meet anybody who was coming, going from hi home? Could you give us some insight into his personal life at all?

COLWELL: There is nobody coming and going his home. I don't believe anyone is home. His mother has called me and just thanked me for talking to the media because she doesn't want to.

But it pretty much came down to that if nobody said anything good about him, the media would play up the bad stuff they could dig up about him and he'd never have any positive influence short of this one I thing he's done, which I feel terrible for the victim's families along with his mother who said the same thing. I asked how she was doing? She said she's just in shock and feels terrible for the victims.

BAKHTIAR: How did she hear about this?

COLWELL: She was at church and got notified. She was at a different church, got notified the same way.

BAKHTIAR: Did she have any theories as to what happened? Why her son would do something like this?

COLWELL: No, rather not speculate. I don't want to say anything on her behalf. And she was just talking to me privately thanking me for talking to the media. So I don't want to bring up anything else.

BAKHTIAR: All right. Well, we thank you. Shane Colwell, who lived across the street from Terry Ratzmann. We thank you for joining us. A little bit of insight into this person's life and why he would possibly go out a shooting spree like this.

Let's head now to Georgia where a man suspected killing four people in Atlanta is behind bars and under maximum security. Brian Nichols may go before a judge tomorrow.

Meanwhile, there are new details about his time on the run and his capture. CNN's Elizabeth Cohen is at the apartment complex where Nichols surrendered -- Elizabeth.

ELIZABETH COHEN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Rudi, that's right, this is the complex where Brian Nichols surrendered yesterday morning. And the details of what happened are really pretty amazing.

To recap, what happened was that he was at this complex. It was at around 2:00 a.m. That he forced his way into a woman's apartment, held her for some seven hours and she was able to humanize herself. And that apparently is how she saved her life and helped lead to his capture.

They left the apartment in the early morning hours. He wanted to get rid of the car that he had stolen. She drove in her own car. She followed him. They got rid of his car. And then they came back. And then somehow she managed to get away from him. She went to the leasing office of this complex and she called 911.

Now I actually spent afternoon in a different complex. This was the condo complex where Brian Nichols last lived -- that I lived. And I was speaking with his neighbors, asking what kind of person he was. What they knew about him. Here is what one neighbor had to say.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We didn't see him very much. He was out late quite as often. He had a mean, vicious dog. And I didn't want to get near him. I always thought he looked mean and like someone I didn't want to talk to. So, I tried to not deal with him.

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COHEN: Now I talked to another member -- another resident at this complex who was a member of the condo board. And she said that at one point, they tried to evict him because they said that he had a pitbull who was being a nuisance to other residents in the complex -- Rudi.

BAKHTIAR: All right. Elizabeth Cohen here in Atlanta thank you.

It was supposed to be a happy time for one of the people Brian Nichols is suspected of killing. David Wilhelm moved to Atlanta just a few months ago. He was promoted to be second in command over the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement Office in the city. Wilhelm was working on his new house when he was shot.

In a statement, his family says this. "He was a loving husband, son and brother. He cared deeply for his family and coworkers. He had a unique ability to bring out the best in people. We appreciate the support we have received from his many friends and the law enforcement community. Our lives will never be the same."

And don't miss a special edition of "LARRY KING LIVE" on the Atlanta shootings. Nancy Grace guest hosts tonight. She'll be speaking to some key people in the case including the newspaper reporter who allegedly was carjacked by Nichols. The two-hour special begins tonight at 9:00 Eastern right here on CNN.

And quite papal homecoming today. Pope John Paul II is now resting at his apartment overlooking St. Peter's Square. After speaking reassuring words to Roman Catholics, he left the Roman hospital where he'd been recovering from his tracheotomy.

Our Rome bureau chief Alessio Vinci has the latest.

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ALESSIO VINCI, CNN ROME BUREAU CHIEF (on camera): Flanked by his security guards, Pope John Paul II left the Gemelli Holy Clinic being driven in a silver minivan, unlike last time around, in February, when the pope left the hospital. The pope this time did not use his Pope Mobile, but nevertheless, was a very public event here as hundreds of people lined the streets just to get even a glimpse of the pope as he made a short drive from the hospital back to the Vatican.

Now, there had been much speculation about the pope's ability to speak again following his tracheotomy. But earlier today, the pope again surprised everyone by -- not just by making a simple appearance from the window of the hospital, but by publicly thanking hundreds of pilgrims who were gathered outside of his hospital. Telling them, thank you for your visit and have a good Sunday. These were the pope's first words ever since undergoing that surgery to his throat to ease his breathing.

The pope's message and appearance was relayed live on giant television screens in St. Peter's Square where many more pilgrims had gathered. And indeed it was to the media that the pope, today, sent a special thank you, a message, recognizing the importance that journalists had been playing throughout this hospitalization period by broadcasting his messages and his appearances live around the world. The pope said, "thanks to you I feel closer to the people and the people feel closer to me."

Now, even with the pope back at the Vatican, it is still the cardinals who will be presiding over most events during the Holy Week celebrations, in which begin next coming Sunday Palm Sunday at Vatican. The pope expected to make just a few appearances during those events, but he will not preside over those masses most likely watching them on television from his apostolic palaces.

I am Alessio Vinci, CNN, reporting from Rome.

(END VIDEOTAPE) BAKHTIAR: Coming up, new information on the terror front, information from inside al Zarqawi's group. Details on possible targets within the U.S.. "Time" magazine is on the stand tomorrow with that story. We've got their reporter straight ahead with a preview.

We've also been talking to these children, the next generation in Iraq. You may be surprised to hear what scares them.

And a post office comes to life three years after it handled anthrax-laced letters.

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BAKHTIAR: Welcome back, everyone. There is word the Pakistani Army has captured at least 10 al Qaeda suspects in a terror raid. Intelligence sources say the operation took place along the Afghan- Pakistani border where many al Qaeda members are believed to be hiding still. There's no word on the suspects' nationalities. A large number of weapons were also seized in that raid.

Now, back home, there is growing concern within the intelligence community that Abu Musab al Zarqawi, the most wanted terrorists inside of Iraq, is setting his sights on America. Intelligence officials are telling "Time" magazine, they recently interrogated one of al Zarqawi's aides. During the questions, the aides al Zarqawi has talked about hitting soft targets in the U.S. which could include movie theaters, restaurants and schools.

"Time" magazine reporter Adam Zagorin joining me from Washington now with more. Adam, thank you so much for joining us.

ADAM ZAGORIN, TIME: Glad to be with you.

BAKHTIAR: Let's talk about soft targets. First explain what soft targets are? And why al Zarqawi might be targeting them.

ZAGORIN: Well, soft targets are basically targets that are -- you can't protect everything, and so some targets go undefended. And soft targets typically fall into that category. You couldn't guard every restaurant, school and movie theater in the United States, obviously, or even a lot of them. There is just too many. And so perhaps that would be one reason.

Zarqawi, though, it's important to note here -- although he's talked about this, according to this particular interrogation that we got word of, there is not evidence that he has slipped people into this country to actually carry this out. In fact, he's perhaps frustrated at the fact that there haven't been more attacks on the United States in recent years.

BAKHTIAR: Yeah. You mentioned that in the article.

Let's talk a little bit about that. What's his reasoning behind that? ZAGORIN: Well, according to this information which went out on a restricted security bulletin to various agencies last week here in the United States, he believes that there's not enough quote/unquote "willing martyrs" in this country to do the work. The other thing he suggests, and we don't know that he's carried this out, is he believes if you have enough money you can buy your way into the United States essentially by purchasing, say, a visa to the to Honduras. He specifically mentioned Honduras. And then the idea would to be travel onto Mexico and then into the United States.

And last week, of course, Condoleezza Rice was in Mexico and talked about the border security issues. She's had a number of very pointed things to say about it. So the United States is clearly -- this has been a matter of concern for some time now, and it continues to be.

BAKHTIAR: Border security does continue to be a matter of concern here.

Let's talk about the fact that bin Laden and Zarqawi are said to have spoken before, several time. What new information are we getting about their communication?

ZAGORIN: Well, we got the word about 10 days or so ago that there had been a communication between them. And that bin Laden had asked of Zarqawi that he consider make attacks on the United States. Zarqawi's activities have been largely, or almost entirely, limited to Iraq. Certainly in the recent period, where he's blamed for many of the killing, kidnappings and other violent episodes that are going on in Iraq.

Now, if he were to go beyond Iraq, or if he were to target the United States, that would obviously be an even larger problem than we already have with him.

The thing about Zarqawi is that there was only that one comment from bin Laden apparently, asking him to consider this. Now we have, if you will, in this latest thing that we're discussing now, a second piece of data indicating that he's, you know, apparently given some consideration to this.

My guess is that the interrogation and the material that we're getting from that actually occurred perhaps before Zarqawi would have had this exchange with bin Laden. So it's been on -- apparently on Zarqawi's mind. And he's been thinking about it in different detailed aspects that we just discussed for a while.

BAKHTIAR: Very quickly, is there any reason to believe that Zarqawi's network has infiltrated the U.S. at all?

ZAGORIN: Well, as we said, there's indication that he's certainly given it some thought. I think that the latest word is that the authorities are not aware of not only from Zarqawi, but of any clearly identified sleeper cells of terrorist groups in this country. That doesn't mean they're not here. It just means that the information concerning exactly what they're doing and the fact that they're here is still lacking.

BAKHTIAR: All right. Well, thank you very much for joining us. Adam Zagorin of "Time" magazine. We appreciate it.

ZAGORIN: Glad to be with you.

BAKHTIAR: Thank you.

Well, every day, violence in Iraq is taking a hefty toll. But we've seen little on how the attacks are impacting the next generation of Iraqis, the children. CNN's Aneesh Raman went to a kindergarten class in search of answers.

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ANEESH RAMAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): The smiling faces of a new generation. The first to grow up since fall of Saddam. This kindergarten class sound like it could be anymore. But for the children, life outside of these walls offers little joy.

Marching to recess like the soldiers they see every day, Iraq's harsh reality constantly intrudes.

"When I hear an explosion or I see any Americans in the street, I run into my house and hide," says 5-year-old Taha.

"I'm afraid of the terrorists and the Americans also. I want them both to leave," says 4-year-old Sara.

Thoughts of democracy and freedom are too complex for these kids. Their minds filled with the simple stuff of daily life. And for some. like 5-year-old Ibrahim, how they will change its future.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translator): When I grow up, I want to be a soldier in the Iraqi army to protect my country and to destroy the terrorists.

RAMAN (on camera): For the children of Iraq, spending their days in classrooms like this all across the country, the effects of this situation of the violence will be profound. And it is falling upon the teachers to help them dream of better days ahead.

(voice-over): Suhayla Ibraheem has been heading up this primary school for over two decades. She now deals with a new challenge.

SUHAYLA IBRAHEEM, SCHOOL PRINCIPAL (through translator): I risk my life for the sake of our country our children and the next generation. We lost our past, but we don't want our children to lose our future. When we hear explosion, first thing we do is gather all the children in one room and tell them not to be afraid. We try to make them understand that the explosions are not targeting them, but only the terrorists.

RAMAN: That is the struggle for parents like Sahira Taqu (ph) trying to prevent lingering scars. SAHIRA TAQU, IRAQI PARENT (through translator): One day my daughter woke up from a nightmare around 3:00 a.m., shouting, momma, bombing. But there was nothing. That is because she hears from time to time bombs and explosions, but psychologically it will always affect her.

RAMAN: As the rain starts to fall, the day comes an end. The children head back a world of convoys and checkpoints, fully aware they are living amidst a war, not yet understanding the enormous role they will have to play, their country to stay on track towards democracy. Aneesh Raman, CNN, Baghdad.

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BAKHTIAR: Angsting over the S.A.T.? Want to know about the new and improved test? We talk to some of the test takers. Their answers coming up right after the break.

And if it's a Green River, St. Patty's Day can't be far off. We'll be right back with more on that.

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BAKHTIAR: A lawsuit surfacing from the tragedy of the deadly December tsunami. That story topping our look at news across America.

Tsunami survivors and relatives of victims have sued the U.S. agency that operates the Pacific Tsunami Warning Center. They allege the center did not do enough to warn people about the disaster.

Asa Hutchinson has a new political plan. The former Republican Congressman says he will run for Arkansas governor in 2006. Hutchinson recently left his post as Homeland Security under- secretary.

And in the windy city, a bit of green for luck. The Chicago River was dyed green yesterday for the city's 50th annual St. Patty's Day Parade. By the way, St. Patrick's Day is celebrated on Thursday.

They had their No. 2 pencils, and they were ready to write and write and write. College-bound students all across the nation took the new version of the S.A.T. yesterday. The test was longer and tougher with a newly added 25-minute essay. CNN's Clare Leka reports.

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CLARE LEKA, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): High school junior Rosie Ettenheim isn't pushing the panic button just yet. The night before the big test, she still went to her volunteer job at her synagogue.

ROSIE ETTENHEIM, HIGH SCHOOL JUNIOR: I'm going to be nervous, but at the same time I'm going to be totally calm about it. Unlike other people, where they'll be freaking out.

LEKA: Like many kids across the country, Rosie took a test prep class to help her out with the new S.A.T.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: So what should it be here? What's correct answer?

LEKA: And now after take the test, she says she's glad she prepared.

ETTENHEIM: I was pretty nervous, but it was good. I'm pretty comfortable about it.

LEKA: The biggest change? A 25-minute essay.

What was the question?

ETTENHEIM: It was about government and whether the majority should rule or not and if it's a fair game.

JENNIFER KARAN, KAPLAN TEST PREP: It's really looking at a completed first draft and not a polished piece of work.

LEKA: There is also tougher math questions and a new grammar section. As for those frustrating analogies like, paltry is to significant as oblique is to -- familiarity. They're history.

The bad news, it's longer, from three hours to three hours and 45 minutes. The college board which owns the tests says it better reflects what kids actually learn in school.

AMY SCHANDT, COLLEGE BOARD: You cannot really convince any person in an English department that you measuring writing unless you ask a child write.

LEKA: The perfect score is now 2400, not 1600.

(on camera): Students coming to test centers across the country like this one. Facing the biggest revamp in the S.A.T.'s 79 year history.

(voice-over): But there are still critics.

MONTY NEILL, NATL CTR. FOR FAIR AND OPEN TESTING: They don't fundamentally solve the test's deeper problems which is that its a weak predictor of how well someone will do in college.

LEKA: But 80 percent of America's colleges still use the SAT in their admission's process.

BARBARA HALL, NYU ADMISSIONS: This gives us a way of judging where a student might stand relative to the rest of the applicant pool.

LEKA: Rosie wants to go to Bowdoin College in Maine, the first college to make the S.A.T.'s optional back in 1969, because they say they like to look at a wider picture of the applicant.

But Rosie says if she does well, she will submit her scores because it can't hurt.

Clare Leka, CNN, New York.

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BAKHTIAR: Well, I don't miss taking the SAT's. All right, can you believe its been more than three years since the anthrax letters were found? Well, it feels like yesterday for these mail carriers. They worry it could happen again. We're going to show you what they're doing to protect us.

And just look at this transformation. This actor takes you inside the role of his lifetime.

Plus, mixing it up. These soldiers take a day away from the battlefield to whip up some recipes and compete for top honors. CNN LIVE SUNDAY continues.

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BAKHTIAR: For the first time in more than three years postal workers will return to work tomorrow. They handle the mail processing center in New Jersey. The facility went through a multimillion dollar decontamination after the anthrax attacks killed five people working there. Security has been improved but postal workers tell our Gerri Willis, they worry about their safety.

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GERRI WILLIS, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice over): The sun is not up yet. But Joan Van Wagner is already at work in the vast New Jersey warehouse currently serving the Trenton mail processing center.

JOAN VAN WAGNER: You've got Princeton, you've got Plains Bureau, you have all of the city zones that we deal with.

WILLIS: As for her husband --

J. VAN WAGNER: My husband, his mail over there. He'll end up with this mail and he'll sort it out and out he goes out onto the street.

WILLIS: Mark Van Wagner a mail carrier and local union leader is prepping his mail before starting on his route.

MARK VAN WAGNER: I love postal work. I love delivering mail. I have been on this route about 15 years.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hi, John. Good thanks. How about you?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK.

M. VAN WAGNER: I know customers. I know the customer's kids. I know the customer's pets. I can tell who is home by what car is in the driveway and I feel more connected to the route that I serve than the neighborhood I live in. WILLIS: He lives here in Hamilton Township. It's this postal plant that Joan worked at in the fall of 2001. It's here those anthrax laced letters were processed and here where the investigation in the nation's attention focused. Four of Joan's co-workers were infected. Two postal workers in Washington, D.C. died.

M. VAN WAGNER: The whole building was a hot zone. You couldn't work in that build building without being exposed. The new systems in place should prevent that.

WILLIS: That's the biohazard detection system or BDS. The postal service is installing it in mail processing centers nationwide at a cost of $779 million.

JOANNE KORKER, DIST. MGR. U.S. POSTAL SERVICE: There are 283 facilities, and all will have these by the end, but we've got a ways to go.

WILLIS: District manager Joanne Korker explained the system to us at a plant in Belmar New Jersey.

The basic idea? Test the contents of each piece of mail as it's bean sorted for anthrax and other biohazards.

KORKER: This is Barney! This is where mail actually gets entered into and after the mail is dumped on to a conveyor belt it comes along this into this contained area here. As it travels through the system here we have vacuum tubes that are connected that will suck up the particles of mail as these letters go through a pinch point. The pinch point will make anything in the envelope come out into the air and it goes into the cabinet to be tested. And we have the results of those tests in 30 minutes.

WILLIS: And if the alarm goes off...

KORKER: Lights go flashing. Everything stops. Every person in this building is evacuated. First responders take over. Managers, throughout country, are automatically alerted with an electronic system that we carry with us -- in fact at all times. And I don't even want to go to what happens next.

WILLIS: The thought that Joan echoes.

J. VAN WAGNER: It won't be as wide spread as it was because it will be detected with the new system they have, but it'll still disrupt everything. You still probably have to go on medication and all of that.

M. VAN WAGNER: It won't stop it from being brought into the system but it will stop it from the intake. Which means tremendous amount of safety for everybody and of course the American public who won't have that contaminating mail coming out to them.

KORKER: This is detection and isolation. Once anything is identified, the potential for it to spread is almost negligible. WILLIS: For security reason we're not revealing which bio threats the system currently test for or which centers currently have them.

KORKER: These machines didn't come out until April 2004. Ours was installed in July. The first ones started in July of 2004.

WILLIS: So more than three years after the anthrax attacks, is there still reason for concern?

KORKER: I don't think so. I say that because our postal employees really work as a first line of defense.

WILLIS: As for as which mail gets tested.

KORKER: Basically anything that comes through a collection box, comes in through a post office that a mail carrier might pick up, that goes through here.

WILLIS: The phrase I have seen you use citizen soldier for mail carriers. What do you mean by that?

M. VAN WAGNER: We were drafted into this battle so to speak, because they attacked us and so we fought against it. You could have just walked away. I don't know anybody that did. Upon reviewing what I've got here, I will add business mailings with trackable return addresses to known customers, no red flag here at all.

WILLIS: Those red flags?

M. VAN WAGNER: Size or awkward weight. If it had no address to it. First of all not a specific personal. The look of the mail. The ones they put on TV that were handwritten in kind of a scrolled handwriting.

WILLIS: At the end of the day on the front lines, Joan heads for home.

J. VAN WAGNER: I come out here, have my tea and relax. And I love it.

WILLIS: Do you worry that it could happen again?

J. VAN WAGNER: Oh, yes. Not all of the time. But yes. And if it does -- I have thought about it -- and if it happens to that extent and do I really want to work for the postal service anymore.

WILLIS: What did your kids say?

J. VAN WAGNER: They were scared, 9/11 and then this hit us and it hit us personally. And the world just changed. It's different than what it was.

M. VAN WAGNER: The postal service since this event and all of the external agencies and the Homeland Security and everything had focused on trying to look ahead and say what could happen? And what can we do to be aware of it and stop it?

WILLIS: Does it make you angry they haven't figured this out? I mean it has been a long time.

J. VAN WAGNER: Yes. I'm very skeptical. I used to be oh the FBI, the CDC I use to think wow. Now I don't believe what anyone tells me anymore. I have changed my way of thinking. The two postal employees in Washington, they did not have to die. They said it is possible it is anthrax, lets shut it down. Those letters would have not gone out to them.

WILLIS: Gerri Willis, CNN, Hamilton Township, New Jersey.

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BAKHTIAR: And you'll want to stay to CNN day and night for the most reliable news about your security.

It looks so real you almost do a double-take. No, that's not the real Michael Jackson. That's an impersonator. One show takes you inside a trial made into a drama.

And cooking their way to victory these soldiers compete for a title of best chef. Just what can they whip up for the judges? We are going to show you straight ahead.

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BAKHTIAR: Welcome back everyone. The Bush administration keeping a close eye on Syria, a day after a United Nation's envoy met with the countries president. There is a flurry of diplomatic activity. CNN White House correspondent Suzanne Malveaux joining us now with all of the details. Hello Suzanne.

SUZANNE MALVEAUX, WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: Hello Rudi. Well of course under intelligence pressure. Syrian officials are making these loud pronouncements saying they are committed with withdrawing all of their military, all of their troops out of Lebanon. Now U.S. officials today are saying it's not the words that matter but rather the actions but U.S. officials also acknowledging today the actions they see inside of Lebanon give them a sense of hope.

MALVEAUX (voice over): Syrian troops are moving out of Lebanon, nearly one-third of the 15,000 posted there now gone. Western diplomatic sources tell CNN, crossing the border, they arrived to rousing welcome home. The Bush administration says a welcomed first step. But far from meeting the U.S. demand for a complete and immediate withdrawal.

CONDOLEEZZA RICE, SECRETARY OF STATE: It is positive that Syria would begin to withdraw its forces out of Lebanon, not just to the border. But we are going to know to press for full compliance with resolution 1559.

MALVEAUX: U.N. envoy Terry Aroid Larson told CNN that Syrian's president Bashar al-Assad assured him that the remainder of Syrian's military and intelligence could be withdrawn by April 7th, in plenty of time to clear away for Lebanon's May elections.

But in southern Lebanon, tens of thousands demonstrated in support of Syrian forces. The protest was organized by Hezbollah, a group the U.S. maintains as a terrorist organization. But one many Lebanese and Syrians say the U.S. will have to deal with.

RICE: Our view of Hezbollah has not changed. That it is indeed a terrorist organization.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hezbollah is not a Lebanese militia. Hezbollah is a political party that has 15 members in parliament. It is a very popular and it is a very important political party.

MALVEAUX: But U.S. officials say free democratic elections in Lebanon will weaken those parties like Hezbollah that use violence to maintain control.

STEPHEN HADLEY, NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISER: One of the challenges for that new government will be how to deal with those elements, if any, that continue it take the path of violence and terrorism.

MALVEAUX (on camera): Now, Rudi, tomorrow will mark the one month anniversary of the assassinations of the former Lebanese Prime Minister Rafik Hariri of course which really triggered this Lebanese opposition movement. It is expected there will be mass of demonstrations in Lebanon tomorrow. The U.S. sees this as hopeful sign they believe that the momentum is on their side. On the side of democracy. Rudi.

BAKHTIAR: I can't let you go, Suzanne , without asking you about the situation between the U.S. and Iran. The U.S. now saying they're not going to block Iran's application to the WTO. But a lot of talk about how Iran supports Hezbollah, their human rights violations. Why are those things being ignored?

MALVEAUX: Well, the Bush administration doesn't see it as ignoring those concerns and you are absolutely right those human rights violations but what the U.S. sees is if you look at qualification, the obligations for a WTO, World Trade Organization, application and membership, it not only requires economic reforms but also social reforms, transparent government. We know that China took not just months but years to meet those obligation. Russia still has not. There are even some Bush administration officials who believe that Iran will never meet those requirements to enter that organization. They feel that this in some way will act as an incentive to improve on their human right's record.

BAKHTIAR: All right, Suzanne Malveaux at the White House, thank you.

And now we have Carol Lin here with a preview of what's coming up later on. Carol got any good stuff to tell us about?

CAROL LIN, CNN ANCHOR: Absolutely. Imagine if this sounds familiar to you. A courtroom setting a verdict is just coming in shots are fired after the suspect wrestles a gun from deputy. This is not the Atlanta case. This happened in New York City. And I'm going to be to be talking with the judge about what changed up there since that shooting back in 2002 in the courtroom he barely survived.

BAKHTIAR: Courtrooms are getting so dangerous these days. I'm wondering how anyone's going to get up the nerve to go to jury duty these days.

LIN: I know, much less go to work tomorrow at Atlanta Fulton County Courthouse.

BAKHTIAR: People have to go there everyday exactly. Thank you, Carol. Well, I'll be watching for sure.

LIN: OK.

BAKHTIAR: Thank you.

All right, now to our legal brief. Testimony reassumes Monday in the Michael Jackson trial. Jackson made quite a scene when he showed up to court Thursday in his pajamas. You'll see right now behind this guy. The boy accusing the pop star of molesting him took the stand and described in detail the alleged encounters with Jackson.

From the media circus to the fans to Jackson's costume, Hollywood couldn't have written it better. And the "E Television" network is trying to capitalize on all the drama by creating it's own version of the Jackson trail. CNN's Jason Carroll taking us behind scenes for that.

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JASON CARROLL, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice over): With the star defendant who's lifestyle is to say the least unusual and serious charges involving despicable crimes, this trial had all of the makings of high drama.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Would you tell the ladies and gentlemen of the jury what happened?

CARROLL: But since the judge barred cameras from the Michael Jackson trial, enterprising producers at E Network are turning the daily transcript into a daily TV script.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did anything happen to you within a few days of leaving the ranch?

CARROLL: That's not real Jackson listening to testimony. It's Edward Moss. A professional Michael Jackson impersonator. This is what he really looks like.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Today, Michael showed up to court and he didn't have his jacket on.

CARROLL: Moss' day begins with a description of his wardrobe. Of course has to match what his character is wearing on any given day.

EDWARD MOSS, PLAYS THE POP LEGEND: It's like the role of a lifetime for me. It's going to be great.

CARROLL: Moss has been impersonating Jackson for ten years.

MOSS: How about bleaching pill?

CARROLL: So the easy part for him is the transformation.

MOSS: I come in and I have to start with the whole makeup process. I do all of my own makeup and that usually takes from anywhere from 45 minutes to a hour.

CARROLL: For the sake of time, here it is hey few seconds. Close to the original. He shocks mad TV actress Debra Wilson who's in the makeup room next door.

And what about the rest of the cast? Just as convincing. Take Rig Kennedy, the actor portraying defense attorney Tom Mesereau.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I am accused on some of the talk shows as wearing a wig.

CARROLL: The hair is real. The prosecutor in the courtroom actually likes Jackson but course he can't she on TV.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I love his music and I love his videos.

CARROLL: As for the judge, he was once an alien commander. He's given up the bridge but not Star Trek's dialogue.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Surrender immediately or we will destroy you. You will surrender the enterprise and follow us into port.

CARROLL: That's an improvisation but when it comes to the day's drama everyone has to stay to the script.

MOSS: It is a real reenactment. We have to go with verbatum. We can't adlib words. We can't do anything. So everything has to be directly from the court transcript.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did you go to Luisa's house at all?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No.

CARROLL: Because the scripts are from the day's actual courtroom testimony, they usually arrive late. Actors have little chance to rehearse before taping -- a teleprompter helps.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's a challenge for an actor. It's a creative thing.

CARROLL: But it's in the a new thing for "E." The network did courtroom reenactments during the O.J. Simpson trial.

TED HARBERT, PRES. E NETWORK: We're not breaking any new ground but adding an idea to Michael Jackson. I think it does come up with a rather unusual television show. CARROLL: And while a number of critics haven't been kind, E!'s viewers are tuning in, and Edward Moss aka Michael Jackson hasn't taken the stand.

Jason Carroll, CNN, Los Angeles.

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BAKHTIAR: A crucial battle takes place, but this time it's in the kitchen. Knives, pots, and stoves are the weapons for these soldiers as they compete for the title of best chef. CNN LIVE SUNAY will be right back.

ROB MARCIANO, METEOROLGIST: I'm Rob Marciano in the CNN Weather Center. Time now for the cold and flu report. Out of the CDC less red on the map although still 24 states still reporting wide spread flu activity. Regional activity the blue states. And the cold and flu season peaked about two weeks ago. So we will start to see these numbers and the colors begin to diminish a little bit further into spring.

Some getting a little stronger, folks getting a little bit better. Hope your feeling well and enjoy the rest of your weekend.

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BAKHTIAR: Welcome back everyone. An army marches on its stomach. Napoleon's statement is still true today. Army cooks are just as important now as we see in the battle for the best chef in the military. Our CNN Pentagon correspondent Barbara Starr was there.

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BARBARA STARR, CNN PENTAGON CORRESPONDENT (voice over): Army troops gather for battle. But today, the weapons are butcher knives, pots, and stoves. Some 200 soldiers chefs have gathered for the 30th annual army culinary art's competition. A contest to be named the best cook in all the things soldiers love to eat. In this field competition, teams take on a box of food that can feed 50 people. Just to see what they can whip up.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You take that and make barbeque pork chops, breaded pork chops. Some guys have even went to do stir-fry.

STARR: The judge's taste and then everybody eats.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Can I have a glaze?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Sure.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's good for the pork chop.

STARR: This recipe wins best in field cooking on this very wet day. Many here are veterans of Iraq and Afghanistan where food is serious business. A hot meal always a morale builder on the front line. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Our job as food server professionals is to make them feel better. Like they're closer to home.

STARR: Across the base in this kitchen, a crucial battle. The contest to be named best chef in the military. But make no mistake, these are soldiers first.

SGT. 1St. CLASS DAVID RUSS: UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Spend time in special forces in the battalion jewels.

STARR: Sergeant first class, David Russ of the Elite 82nd Airborne Division.

RUSS: I started with the cream of mushroom soup.

STARR: A four-time winner of this contest, he now teaches cooking to other soldiers. And knows jumping out of airplanes can give you an edge in a kitchen crises.

RUSS: You get your confidence, you know? Having been places that are worse than this.

STARR: The competitors say they don't cook just to win.

RUSS: Everything you do here is to the benefit of the soldiers.

STARR: Barbara Starr, CNN.

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BAKHTIAR: Everything looks so good there. All right, that's it for us. We'll be back with the headlines though after a quick break.

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RUDI BAKHTIAR, CNN ANCHOR: What is this? Or rather who is this? He's not Michael Jackson, but he plays him on television. "Iron Chef" move over, it's the annual Army cook-off and hundreds of soldier's chefs want to win this particular battle.
And what used to take three hours, but now takes almost four. We're going to tell you about that.

Hello, everyone. Welcome to CNN SUNDAY. I'm Rudi Bakhtiar. All of that and a lot more after a check of the headlines for you.

On the mend and back at the Vatican, Pope John Paul II left the hospital in Rome today where he's been recovering from his latest health crisis. A full report on his homecoming coming up in about seven minutes for you.

And preparing to cooperate with the world. Iranian President Mohamed Khatami on his trip to Venezuelan says Tehran is ready to suspend its uranium enrichment program, at least temporarily, but the Iranian insists that his country has a right to nuclear technology. The concession comes just one day after the U.S. agreed not to block Iran's application to join the World Trade Organization.

Vowing to dismantle an authorized Jewish settlements, Israel's cabinet today agreeing that 24 of them in the West Bank have to go. Ministers stopped short of setting a time frame for taking the enclaves down. According to the U.S.-backed road map to peace plan, Israel must remove all Jewish settlements created since March of 2001.

It is day two in two of America's biggest cities, both Atlanta and Milwaukee are trying to come to terms with two shooting sprees that have left numerous people dead or wounded. We have a live reports from both communities. Let's start with CNN's Jonathan Freed. He's in Brookfield, Wisconsin, a suburb of Milwaukee.

Jonathan, what can you tell us?

JONATHAN FREED, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, Rudi, I can tell you that police came out earlier today and confirmed the name of the shooting suspect, the gunman in this case. That's Terry Ratzmann. And he is 44-years-old from New Berlin, Wisconsin, Rudi, which is not too far from us here.

Now, police say that Ratzmann entered the room at that Sheridan Hotel here in Brookfield, Wisconsin without warning, without saying anything and just started shooting.

Now all of it, they say, lasted approximately one minute. After which time he took his own life. But earlier today, the police chief let us in on some of the details of that. And let's hear what he has to say.

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CHIEF DANIEL TUSHAUS, BROOKFIELD POLICE: It appears that the suspect entered into the room during the service. He entered from the back of the room. He did not give any warning, or provided any verbiage before firing a handgun.

At this time we believe 22 rounds were fired by the suspect. He reloaded the weapon once during the exchange of gunfire. And then, as witnesses have reported to us, shot himself in the head.

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FREED: Now police have searched his home, the suspect's home. And they say they have not found a suicide note or any other indication as to why he did this.

They are, though, working on two main theories as a possible motive. One of them is that Ratzmann had either already lost or was about to lose his job. Saying that he was a contract employee here in this area. But they wouldn't give any specifics about the type of work he was in or where he was working.

The other theory that their working on as a possible motive, Rudi, is that perhaps Ratzmann was upset by something he heard at a church service two weeks ago where witnesses say that he walked out looking upset right in the middle of the service.

Now, there were seven people killed, eight if you count Ratzmann when he took his own life. And of those seven people, it includes Randy Gregory who is identified as the 51-year-old pastor of the Living Church of God here in Brookfield -- Rudi.

BAKHTIAR: Tragic story there.

Jonathan, we know that authorities were talking to about 50 to 60 witnesses. Any news coming out of that yet?

FREED: Not yet, not yet.

They are still questioning these people. And they say it's a very long process. They've gone through everybody at least once. But they're hoping to give us more information tomorrow. And we are hoping that they're going to give us more of an indication as to where the suspect worked and sketch a bit wider profile of him.

BAKHTIAR: All right. Jonathan Freed in Brookfield, Wisconsin. Thank you.

Let's move on to Shane Colwell, who was Ratzmann's neighbor. He is on the phone with us from New Berlin, Wisconsin.

Shane, thank you so much for joining us right now.

SHANE COLWELL, NEIGHBOR OF TERRY RATZMANN (via telephone): You're welcome.

BAKHTIAR: How well did you know this person?

COLWELL: Not a personal friendship, just a neighbor relationship. We lived next door to each other, garage faces each other. I we talked to each other while we were mowing the lawns and shovelling driveways.

BAKHTIAR: How many times would you say you would see him in the course of a week, for example?

COLWELL: Once, twice in the winter. Two, three times in the summer when we were out more.

BAKHTIAR: Was he friendly? Was he socially opened?

COLWELL: Yes. He was a completely average guy, to me, anyway. He didn't really talk to many other people in the neighborhood. He didn't go out of his way to meet anybody. But the only reason we're talking in the media so that anybody who didn't talk to him gets an idea that he was some kind of normal guy.

BAKHTIAR: What about his family? Did you see any of his family members? Did you meet anybody who was coming, going from hi home? Could you give us some insight into his personal life at all?

COLWELL: There is nobody coming and going his home. I don't believe anyone is home. His mother has called me and just thanked me for talking to the media because she doesn't want to.

But it pretty much came down to that if nobody said anything good about him, the media would play up the bad stuff they could dig up about him and he'd never have any positive influence short of this one I thing he's done, which I feel terrible for the victim's families along with his mother who said the same thing. I asked how she was doing? She said she's just in shock and feels terrible for the victims.

BAKHTIAR: How did she hear about this?

COLWELL: She was at church and got notified. She was at a different church, got notified the same way.

BAKHTIAR: Did she have any theories as to what happened? Why her son would do something like this?

COLWELL: No, rather not speculate. I don't want to say anything on her behalf. And she was just talking to me privately thanking me for talking to the media. So I don't want to bring up anything else.

BAKHTIAR: All right. Well, we thank you. Shane Colwell, who lived across the street from Terry Ratzmann. We thank you for joining us. A little bit of insight into this person's life and why he would possibly go out a shooting spree like this.

Let's head now to Georgia where a man suspected killing four people in Atlanta is behind bars and under maximum security. Brian Nichols may go before a judge tomorrow.

Meanwhile, there are new details about his time on the run and his capture. CNN's Elizabeth Cohen is at the apartment complex where Nichols surrendered -- Elizabeth.

ELIZABETH COHEN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Rudi, that's right, this is the complex where Brian Nichols surrendered yesterday morning. And the details of what happened are really pretty amazing.

To recap, what happened was that he was at this complex. It was at around 2:00 a.m. That he forced his way into a woman's apartment, held her for some seven hours and she was able to humanize herself. And that apparently is how she saved her life and helped lead to his capture.

They left the apartment in the early morning hours. He wanted to get rid of the car that he had stolen. She drove in her own car. She followed him. They got rid of his car. And then they came back. And then somehow she managed to get away from him. She went to the leasing office of this complex and she called 911.

Now I actually spent afternoon in a different complex. This was the condo complex where Brian Nichols last lived -- that I lived. And I was speaking with his neighbors, asking what kind of person he was. What they knew about him. Here is what one neighbor had to say.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We didn't see him very much. He was out late quite as often. He had a mean, vicious dog. And I didn't want to get near him. I always thought he looked mean and like someone I didn't want to talk to. So, I tried to not deal with him.

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COHEN: Now I talked to another member -- another resident at this complex who was a member of the condo board. And she said that at one point, they tried to evict him because they said that he had a pitbull who was being a nuisance to other residents in the complex -- Rudi.

BAKHTIAR: All right. Elizabeth Cohen here in Atlanta thank you.

It was supposed to be a happy time for one of the people Brian Nichols is suspected of killing. David Wilhelm moved to Atlanta just a few months ago. He was promoted to be second in command over the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement Office in the city. Wilhelm was working on his new house when he was shot.

In a statement, his family says this. "He was a loving husband, son and brother. He cared deeply for his family and coworkers. He had a unique ability to bring out the best in people. We appreciate the support we have received from his many friends and the law enforcement community. Our lives will never be the same."

And don't miss a special edition of "LARRY KING LIVE" on the Atlanta shootings. Nancy Grace guest hosts tonight. She'll be speaking to some key people in the case including the newspaper reporter who allegedly was carjacked by Nichols. The two-hour special begins tonight at 9:00 Eastern right here on CNN.

And quite papal homecoming today. Pope John Paul II is now resting at his apartment overlooking St. Peter's Square. After speaking reassuring words to Roman Catholics, he left the Roman hospital where he'd been recovering from his tracheotomy.

Our Rome bureau chief Alessio Vinci has the latest.

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ALESSIO VINCI, CNN ROME BUREAU CHIEF (on camera): Flanked by his security guards, Pope John Paul II left the Gemelli Holy Clinic being driven in a silver minivan, unlike last time around, in February, when the pope left the hospital. The pope this time did not use his Pope Mobile, but nevertheless, was a very public event here as hundreds of people lined the streets just to get even a glimpse of the pope as he made a short drive from the hospital back to the Vatican.

Now, there had been much speculation about the pope's ability to speak again following his tracheotomy. But earlier today, the pope again surprised everyone by -- not just by making a simple appearance from the window of the hospital, but by publicly thanking hundreds of pilgrims who were gathered outside of his hospital. Telling them, thank you for your visit and have a good Sunday. These were the pope's first words ever since undergoing that surgery to his throat to ease his breathing.

The pope's message and appearance was relayed live on giant television screens in St. Peter's Square where many more pilgrims had gathered. And indeed it was to the media that the pope, today, sent a special thank you, a message, recognizing the importance that journalists had been playing throughout this hospitalization period by broadcasting his messages and his appearances live around the world. The pope said, "thanks to you I feel closer to the people and the people feel closer to me."

Now, even with the pope back at the Vatican, it is still the cardinals who will be presiding over most events during the Holy Week celebrations, in which begin next coming Sunday Palm Sunday at Vatican. The pope expected to make just a few appearances during those events, but he will not preside over those masses most likely watching them on television from his apostolic palaces.

I am Alessio Vinci, CNN, reporting from Rome.

(END VIDEOTAPE) BAKHTIAR: Coming up, new information on the terror front, information from inside al Zarqawi's group. Details on possible targets within the U.S.. "Time" magazine is on the stand tomorrow with that story. We've got their reporter straight ahead with a preview.

We've also been talking to these children, the next generation in Iraq. You may be surprised to hear what scares them.

And a post office comes to life three years after it handled anthrax-laced letters.

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BAKHTIAR: Welcome back, everyone. There is word the Pakistani Army has captured at least 10 al Qaeda suspects in a terror raid. Intelligence sources say the operation took place along the Afghan- Pakistani border where many al Qaeda members are believed to be hiding still. There's no word on the suspects' nationalities. A large number of weapons were also seized in that raid.

Now, back home, there is growing concern within the intelligence community that Abu Musab al Zarqawi, the most wanted terrorists inside of Iraq, is setting his sights on America. Intelligence officials are telling "Time" magazine, they recently interrogated one of al Zarqawi's aides. During the questions, the aides al Zarqawi has talked about hitting soft targets in the U.S. which could include movie theaters, restaurants and schools.

"Time" magazine reporter Adam Zagorin joining me from Washington now with more. Adam, thank you so much for joining us.

ADAM ZAGORIN, TIME: Glad to be with you.

BAKHTIAR: Let's talk about soft targets. First explain what soft targets are? And why al Zarqawi might be targeting them.

ZAGORIN: Well, soft targets are basically targets that are -- you can't protect everything, and so some targets go undefended. And soft targets typically fall into that category. You couldn't guard every restaurant, school and movie theater in the United States, obviously, or even a lot of them. There is just too many. And so perhaps that would be one reason.

Zarqawi, though, it's important to note here -- although he's talked about this, according to this particular interrogation that we got word of, there is not evidence that he has slipped people into this country to actually carry this out. In fact, he's perhaps frustrated at the fact that there haven't been more attacks on the United States in recent years.

BAKHTIAR: Yeah. You mentioned that in the article.

Let's talk a little bit about that. What's his reasoning behind that? ZAGORIN: Well, according to this information which went out on a restricted security bulletin to various agencies last week here in the United States, he believes that there's not enough quote/unquote "willing martyrs" in this country to do the work. The other thing he suggests, and we don't know that he's carried this out, is he believes if you have enough money you can buy your way into the United States essentially by purchasing, say, a visa to the to Honduras. He specifically mentioned Honduras. And then the idea would to be travel onto Mexico and then into the United States.

And last week, of course, Condoleezza Rice was in Mexico and talked about the border security issues. She's had a number of very pointed things to say about it. So the United States is clearly -- this has been a matter of concern for some time now, and it continues to be.

BAKHTIAR: Border security does continue to be a matter of concern here.

Let's talk about the fact that bin Laden and Zarqawi are said to have spoken before, several time. What new information are we getting about their communication?

ZAGORIN: Well, we got the word about 10 days or so ago that there had been a communication between them. And that bin Laden had asked of Zarqawi that he consider make attacks on the United States. Zarqawi's activities have been largely, or almost entirely, limited to Iraq. Certainly in the recent period, where he's blamed for many of the killing, kidnappings and other violent episodes that are going on in Iraq.

Now, if he were to go beyond Iraq, or if he were to target the United States, that would obviously be an even larger problem than we already have with him.

The thing about Zarqawi is that there was only that one comment from bin Laden apparently, asking him to consider this. Now we have, if you will, in this latest thing that we're discussing now, a second piece of data indicating that he's, you know, apparently given some consideration to this.

My guess is that the interrogation and the material that we're getting from that actually occurred perhaps before Zarqawi would have had this exchange with bin Laden. So it's been on -- apparently on Zarqawi's mind. And he's been thinking about it in different detailed aspects that we just discussed for a while.

BAKHTIAR: Very quickly, is there any reason to believe that Zarqawi's network has infiltrated the U.S. at all?

ZAGORIN: Well, as we said, there's indication that he's certainly given it some thought. I think that the latest word is that the authorities are not aware of not only from Zarqawi, but of any clearly identified sleeper cells of terrorist groups in this country. That doesn't mean they're not here. It just means that the information concerning exactly what they're doing and the fact that they're here is still lacking.

BAKHTIAR: All right. Well, thank you very much for joining us. Adam Zagorin of "Time" magazine. We appreciate it.

ZAGORIN: Glad to be with you.

BAKHTIAR: Thank you.

Well, every day, violence in Iraq is taking a hefty toll. But we've seen little on how the attacks are impacting the next generation of Iraqis, the children. CNN's Aneesh Raman went to a kindergarten class in search of answers.

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ANEESH RAMAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): The smiling faces of a new generation. The first to grow up since fall of Saddam. This kindergarten class sound like it could be anymore. But for the children, life outside of these walls offers little joy.

Marching to recess like the soldiers they see every day, Iraq's harsh reality constantly intrudes.

"When I hear an explosion or I see any Americans in the street, I run into my house and hide," says 5-year-old Taha.

"I'm afraid of the terrorists and the Americans also. I want them both to leave," says 4-year-old Sara.

Thoughts of democracy and freedom are too complex for these kids. Their minds filled with the simple stuff of daily life. And for some. like 5-year-old Ibrahim, how they will change its future.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translator): When I grow up, I want to be a soldier in the Iraqi army to protect my country and to destroy the terrorists.

RAMAN (on camera): For the children of Iraq, spending their days in classrooms like this all across the country, the effects of this situation of the violence will be profound. And it is falling upon the teachers to help them dream of better days ahead.

(voice-over): Suhayla Ibraheem has been heading up this primary school for over two decades. She now deals with a new challenge.

SUHAYLA IBRAHEEM, SCHOOL PRINCIPAL (through translator): I risk my life for the sake of our country our children and the next generation. We lost our past, but we don't want our children to lose our future. When we hear explosion, first thing we do is gather all the children in one room and tell them not to be afraid. We try to make them understand that the explosions are not targeting them, but only the terrorists.

RAMAN: That is the struggle for parents like Sahira Taqu (ph) trying to prevent lingering scars. SAHIRA TAQU, IRAQI PARENT (through translator): One day my daughter woke up from a nightmare around 3:00 a.m., shouting, momma, bombing. But there was nothing. That is because she hears from time to time bombs and explosions, but psychologically it will always affect her.

RAMAN: As the rain starts to fall, the day comes an end. The children head back a world of convoys and checkpoints, fully aware they are living amidst a war, not yet understanding the enormous role they will have to play, their country to stay on track towards democracy. Aneesh Raman, CNN, Baghdad.

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BAKHTIAR: Angsting over the S.A.T.? Want to know about the new and improved test? We talk to some of the test takers. Their answers coming up right after the break.

And if it's a Green River, St. Patty's Day can't be far off. We'll be right back with more on that.

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BAKHTIAR: A lawsuit surfacing from the tragedy of the deadly December tsunami. That story topping our look at news across America.

Tsunami survivors and relatives of victims have sued the U.S. agency that operates the Pacific Tsunami Warning Center. They allege the center did not do enough to warn people about the disaster.

Asa Hutchinson has a new political plan. The former Republican Congressman says he will run for Arkansas governor in 2006. Hutchinson recently left his post as Homeland Security under- secretary.

And in the windy city, a bit of green for luck. The Chicago River was dyed green yesterday for the city's 50th annual St. Patty's Day Parade. By the way, St. Patrick's Day is celebrated on Thursday.

They had their No. 2 pencils, and they were ready to write and write and write. College-bound students all across the nation took the new version of the S.A.T. yesterday. The test was longer and tougher with a newly added 25-minute essay. CNN's Clare Leka reports.

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CLARE LEKA, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): High school junior Rosie Ettenheim isn't pushing the panic button just yet. The night before the big test, she still went to her volunteer job at her synagogue.

ROSIE ETTENHEIM, HIGH SCHOOL JUNIOR: I'm going to be nervous, but at the same time I'm going to be totally calm about it. Unlike other people, where they'll be freaking out.

LEKA: Like many kids across the country, Rosie took a test prep class to help her out with the new S.A.T.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: So what should it be here? What's correct answer?

LEKA: And now after take the test, she says she's glad she prepared.

ETTENHEIM: I was pretty nervous, but it was good. I'm pretty comfortable about it.

LEKA: The biggest change? A 25-minute essay.

What was the question?

ETTENHEIM: It was about government and whether the majority should rule or not and if it's a fair game.

JENNIFER KARAN, KAPLAN TEST PREP: It's really looking at a completed first draft and not a polished piece of work.

LEKA: There is also tougher math questions and a new grammar section. As for those frustrating analogies like, paltry is to significant as oblique is to -- familiarity. They're history.

The bad news, it's longer, from three hours to three hours and 45 minutes. The college board which owns the tests says it better reflects what kids actually learn in school.

AMY SCHANDT, COLLEGE BOARD: You cannot really convince any person in an English department that you measuring writing unless you ask a child write.

LEKA: The perfect score is now 2400, not 1600.

(on camera): Students coming to test centers across the country like this one. Facing the biggest revamp in the S.A.T.'s 79 year history.

(voice-over): But there are still critics.

MONTY NEILL, NATL CTR. FOR FAIR AND OPEN TESTING: They don't fundamentally solve the test's deeper problems which is that its a weak predictor of how well someone will do in college.

LEKA: But 80 percent of America's colleges still use the SAT in their admission's process.

BARBARA HALL, NYU ADMISSIONS: This gives us a way of judging where a student might stand relative to the rest of the applicant pool.

LEKA: Rosie wants to go to Bowdoin College in Maine, the first college to make the S.A.T.'s optional back in 1969, because they say they like to look at a wider picture of the applicant.

But Rosie says if she does well, she will submit her scores because it can't hurt.

Clare Leka, CNN, New York.

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BAKHTIAR: Well, I don't miss taking the SAT's. All right, can you believe its been more than three years since the anthrax letters were found? Well, it feels like yesterday for these mail carriers. They worry it could happen again. We're going to show you what they're doing to protect us.

And just look at this transformation. This actor takes you inside the role of his lifetime.

Plus, mixing it up. These soldiers take a day away from the battlefield to whip up some recipes and compete for top honors. CNN LIVE SUNDAY continues.

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BAKHTIAR: For the first time in more than three years postal workers will return to work tomorrow. They handle the mail processing center in New Jersey. The facility went through a multimillion dollar decontamination after the anthrax attacks killed five people working there. Security has been improved but postal workers tell our Gerri Willis, they worry about their safety.

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GERRI WILLIS, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice over): The sun is not up yet. But Joan Van Wagner is already at work in the vast New Jersey warehouse currently serving the Trenton mail processing center.

JOAN VAN WAGNER: You've got Princeton, you've got Plains Bureau, you have all of the city zones that we deal with.

WILLIS: As for her husband --

J. VAN WAGNER: My husband, his mail over there. He'll end up with this mail and he'll sort it out and out he goes out onto the street.

WILLIS: Mark Van Wagner a mail carrier and local union leader is prepping his mail before starting on his route.

MARK VAN WAGNER: I love postal work. I love delivering mail. I have been on this route about 15 years.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hi, John. Good thanks. How about you?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK.

M. VAN WAGNER: I know customers. I know the customer's kids. I know the customer's pets. I can tell who is home by what car is in the driveway and I feel more connected to the route that I serve than the neighborhood I live in. WILLIS: He lives here in Hamilton Township. It's this postal plant that Joan worked at in the fall of 2001. It's here those anthrax laced letters were processed and here where the investigation in the nation's attention focused. Four of Joan's co-workers were infected. Two postal workers in Washington, D.C. died.

M. VAN WAGNER: The whole building was a hot zone. You couldn't work in that build building without being exposed. The new systems in place should prevent that.

WILLIS: That's the biohazard detection system or BDS. The postal service is installing it in mail processing centers nationwide at a cost of $779 million.

JOANNE KORKER, DIST. MGR. U.S. POSTAL SERVICE: There are 283 facilities, and all will have these by the end, but we've got a ways to go.

WILLIS: District manager Joanne Korker explained the system to us at a plant in Belmar New Jersey.

The basic idea? Test the contents of each piece of mail as it's bean sorted for anthrax and other biohazards.

KORKER: This is Barney! This is where mail actually gets entered into and after the mail is dumped on to a conveyor belt it comes along this into this contained area here. As it travels through the system here we have vacuum tubes that are connected that will suck up the particles of mail as these letters go through a pinch point. The pinch point will make anything in the envelope come out into the air and it goes into the cabinet to be tested. And we have the results of those tests in 30 minutes.

WILLIS: And if the alarm goes off...

KORKER: Lights go flashing. Everything stops. Every person in this building is evacuated. First responders take over. Managers, throughout country, are automatically alerted with an electronic system that we carry with us -- in fact at all times. And I don't even want to go to what happens next.

WILLIS: The thought that Joan echoes.

J. VAN WAGNER: It won't be as wide spread as it was because it will be detected with the new system they have, but it'll still disrupt everything. You still probably have to go on medication and all of that.

M. VAN WAGNER: It won't stop it from being brought into the system but it will stop it from the intake. Which means tremendous amount of safety for everybody and of course the American public who won't have that contaminating mail coming out to them.

KORKER: This is detection and isolation. Once anything is identified, the potential for it to spread is almost negligible. WILLIS: For security reason we're not revealing which bio threats the system currently test for or which centers currently have them.

KORKER: These machines didn't come out until April 2004. Ours was installed in July. The first ones started in July of 2004.

WILLIS: So more than three years after the anthrax attacks, is there still reason for concern?

KORKER: I don't think so. I say that because our postal employees really work as a first line of defense.

WILLIS: As for as which mail gets tested.

KORKER: Basically anything that comes through a collection box, comes in through a post office that a mail carrier might pick up, that goes through here.

WILLIS: The phrase I have seen you use citizen soldier for mail carriers. What do you mean by that?

M. VAN WAGNER: We were drafted into this battle so to speak, because they attacked us and so we fought against it. You could have just walked away. I don't know anybody that did. Upon reviewing what I've got here, I will add business mailings with trackable return addresses to known customers, no red flag here at all.

WILLIS: Those red flags?

M. VAN WAGNER: Size or awkward weight. If it had no address to it. First of all not a specific personal. The look of the mail. The ones they put on TV that were handwritten in kind of a scrolled handwriting.

WILLIS: At the end of the day on the front lines, Joan heads for home.

J. VAN WAGNER: I come out here, have my tea and relax. And I love it.

WILLIS: Do you worry that it could happen again?

J. VAN WAGNER: Oh, yes. Not all of the time. But yes. And if it does -- I have thought about it -- and if it happens to that extent and do I really want to work for the postal service anymore.

WILLIS: What did your kids say?

J. VAN WAGNER: They were scared, 9/11 and then this hit us and it hit us personally. And the world just changed. It's different than what it was.

M. VAN WAGNER: The postal service since this event and all of the external agencies and the Homeland Security and everything had focused on trying to look ahead and say what could happen? And what can we do to be aware of it and stop it?

WILLIS: Does it make you angry they haven't figured this out? I mean it has been a long time.

J. VAN WAGNER: Yes. I'm very skeptical. I used to be oh the FBI, the CDC I use to think wow. Now I don't believe what anyone tells me anymore. I have changed my way of thinking. The two postal employees in Washington, they did not have to die. They said it is possible it is anthrax, lets shut it down. Those letters would have not gone out to them.

WILLIS: Gerri Willis, CNN, Hamilton Township, New Jersey.

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BAKHTIAR: And you'll want to stay to CNN day and night for the most reliable news about your security.

It looks so real you almost do a double-take. No, that's not the real Michael Jackson. That's an impersonator. One show takes you inside a trial made into a drama.

And cooking their way to victory these soldiers compete for a title of best chef. Just what can they whip up for the judges? We are going to show you straight ahead.

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BAKHTIAR: Welcome back everyone. The Bush administration keeping a close eye on Syria, a day after a United Nation's envoy met with the countries president. There is a flurry of diplomatic activity. CNN White House correspondent Suzanne Malveaux joining us now with all of the details. Hello Suzanne.

SUZANNE MALVEAUX, WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: Hello Rudi. Well of course under intelligence pressure. Syrian officials are making these loud pronouncements saying they are committed with withdrawing all of their military, all of their troops out of Lebanon. Now U.S. officials today are saying it's not the words that matter but rather the actions but U.S. officials also acknowledging today the actions they see inside of Lebanon give them a sense of hope.

MALVEAUX (voice over): Syrian troops are moving out of Lebanon, nearly one-third of the 15,000 posted there now gone. Western diplomatic sources tell CNN, crossing the border, they arrived to rousing welcome home. The Bush administration says a welcomed first step. But far from meeting the U.S. demand for a complete and immediate withdrawal.

CONDOLEEZZA RICE, SECRETARY OF STATE: It is positive that Syria would begin to withdraw its forces out of Lebanon, not just to the border. But we are going to know to press for full compliance with resolution 1559.

MALVEAUX: U.N. envoy Terry Aroid Larson told CNN that Syrian's president Bashar al-Assad assured him that the remainder of Syrian's military and intelligence could be withdrawn by April 7th, in plenty of time to clear away for Lebanon's May elections.

But in southern Lebanon, tens of thousands demonstrated in support of Syrian forces. The protest was organized by Hezbollah, a group the U.S. maintains as a terrorist organization. But one many Lebanese and Syrians say the U.S. will have to deal with.

RICE: Our view of Hezbollah has not changed. That it is indeed a terrorist organization.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hezbollah is not a Lebanese militia. Hezbollah is a political party that has 15 members in parliament. It is a very popular and it is a very important political party.

MALVEAUX: But U.S. officials say free democratic elections in Lebanon will weaken those parties like Hezbollah that use violence to maintain control.

STEPHEN HADLEY, NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISER: One of the challenges for that new government will be how to deal with those elements, if any, that continue it take the path of violence and terrorism.

MALVEAUX (on camera): Now, Rudi, tomorrow will mark the one month anniversary of the assassinations of the former Lebanese Prime Minister Rafik Hariri of course which really triggered this Lebanese opposition movement. It is expected there will be mass of demonstrations in Lebanon tomorrow. The U.S. sees this as hopeful sign they believe that the momentum is on their side. On the side of democracy. Rudi.

BAKHTIAR: I can't let you go, Suzanne , without asking you about the situation between the U.S. and Iran. The U.S. now saying they're not going to block Iran's application to the WTO. But a lot of talk about how Iran supports Hezbollah, their human rights violations. Why are those things being ignored?

MALVEAUX: Well, the Bush administration doesn't see it as ignoring those concerns and you are absolutely right those human rights violations but what the U.S. sees is if you look at qualification, the obligations for a WTO, World Trade Organization, application and membership, it not only requires economic reforms but also social reforms, transparent government. We know that China took not just months but years to meet those obligation. Russia still has not. There are even some Bush administration officials who believe that Iran will never meet those requirements to enter that organization. They feel that this in some way will act as an incentive to improve on their human right's record.

BAKHTIAR: All right, Suzanne Malveaux at the White House, thank you.

And now we have Carol Lin here with a preview of what's coming up later on. Carol got any good stuff to tell us about?

CAROL LIN, CNN ANCHOR: Absolutely. Imagine if this sounds familiar to you. A courtroom setting a verdict is just coming in shots are fired after the suspect wrestles a gun from deputy. This is not the Atlanta case. This happened in New York City. And I'm going to be to be talking with the judge about what changed up there since that shooting back in 2002 in the courtroom he barely survived.

BAKHTIAR: Courtrooms are getting so dangerous these days. I'm wondering how anyone's going to get up the nerve to go to jury duty these days.

LIN: I know, much less go to work tomorrow at Atlanta Fulton County Courthouse.

BAKHTIAR: People have to go there everyday exactly. Thank you, Carol. Well, I'll be watching for sure.

LIN: OK.

BAKHTIAR: Thank you.

All right, now to our legal brief. Testimony reassumes Monday in the Michael Jackson trial. Jackson made quite a scene when he showed up to court Thursday in his pajamas. You'll see right now behind this guy. The boy accusing the pop star of molesting him took the stand and described in detail the alleged encounters with Jackson.

From the media circus to the fans to Jackson's costume, Hollywood couldn't have written it better. And the "E Television" network is trying to capitalize on all the drama by creating it's own version of the Jackson trail. CNN's Jason Carroll taking us behind scenes for that.

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JASON CARROLL, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice over): With the star defendant who's lifestyle is to say the least unusual and serious charges involving despicable crimes, this trial had all of the makings of high drama.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Would you tell the ladies and gentlemen of the jury what happened?

CARROLL: But since the judge barred cameras from the Michael Jackson trial, enterprising producers at E Network are turning the daily transcript into a daily TV script.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did anything happen to you within a few days of leaving the ranch?

CARROLL: That's not real Jackson listening to testimony. It's Edward Moss. A professional Michael Jackson impersonator. This is what he really looks like.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Today, Michael showed up to court and he didn't have his jacket on.

CARROLL: Moss' day begins with a description of his wardrobe. Of course has to match what his character is wearing on any given day.

EDWARD MOSS, PLAYS THE POP LEGEND: It's like the role of a lifetime for me. It's going to be great.

CARROLL: Moss has been impersonating Jackson for ten years.

MOSS: How about bleaching pill?

CARROLL: So the easy part for him is the transformation.

MOSS: I come in and I have to start with the whole makeup process. I do all of my own makeup and that usually takes from anywhere from 45 minutes to a hour.

CARROLL: For the sake of time, here it is hey few seconds. Close to the original. He shocks mad TV actress Debra Wilson who's in the makeup room next door.

And what about the rest of the cast? Just as convincing. Take Rig Kennedy, the actor portraying defense attorney Tom Mesereau.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I am accused on some of the talk shows as wearing a wig.

CARROLL: The hair is real. The prosecutor in the courtroom actually likes Jackson but course he can't she on TV.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I love his music and I love his videos.

CARROLL: As for the judge, he was once an alien commander. He's given up the bridge but not Star Trek's dialogue.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Surrender immediately or we will destroy you. You will surrender the enterprise and follow us into port.

CARROLL: That's an improvisation but when it comes to the day's drama everyone has to stay to the script.

MOSS: It is a real reenactment. We have to go with verbatum. We can't adlib words. We can't do anything. So everything has to be directly from the court transcript.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did you go to Luisa's house at all?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No.

CARROLL: Because the scripts are from the day's actual courtroom testimony, they usually arrive late. Actors have little chance to rehearse before taping -- a teleprompter helps.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's a challenge for an actor. It's a creative thing.

CARROLL: But it's in the a new thing for "E." The network did courtroom reenactments during the O.J. Simpson trial.

TED HARBERT, PRES. E NETWORK: We're not breaking any new ground but adding an idea to Michael Jackson. I think it does come up with a rather unusual television show. CARROLL: And while a number of critics haven't been kind, E!'s viewers are tuning in, and Edward Moss aka Michael Jackson hasn't taken the stand.

Jason Carroll, CNN, Los Angeles.

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BAKHTIAR: A crucial battle takes place, but this time it's in the kitchen. Knives, pots, and stoves are the weapons for these soldiers as they compete for the title of best chef. CNN LIVE SUNAY will be right back.

ROB MARCIANO, METEOROLGIST: I'm Rob Marciano in the CNN Weather Center. Time now for the cold and flu report. Out of the CDC less red on the map although still 24 states still reporting wide spread flu activity. Regional activity the blue states. And the cold and flu season peaked about two weeks ago. So we will start to see these numbers and the colors begin to diminish a little bit further into spring.

Some getting a little stronger, folks getting a little bit better. Hope your feeling well and enjoy the rest of your weekend.

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BAKHTIAR: Welcome back everyone. An army marches on its stomach. Napoleon's statement is still true today. Army cooks are just as important now as we see in the battle for the best chef in the military. Our CNN Pentagon correspondent Barbara Starr was there.

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BARBARA STARR, CNN PENTAGON CORRESPONDENT (voice over): Army troops gather for battle. But today, the weapons are butcher knives, pots, and stoves. Some 200 soldiers chefs have gathered for the 30th annual army culinary art's competition. A contest to be named the best cook in all the things soldiers love to eat. In this field competition, teams take on a box of food that can feed 50 people. Just to see what they can whip up.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You take that and make barbeque pork chops, breaded pork chops. Some guys have even went to do stir-fry.

STARR: The judge's taste and then everybody eats.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Can I have a glaze?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Sure.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's good for the pork chop.

STARR: This recipe wins best in field cooking on this very wet day. Many here are veterans of Iraq and Afghanistan where food is serious business. A hot meal always a morale builder on the front line. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Our job as food server professionals is to make them feel better. Like they're closer to home.

STARR: Across the base in this kitchen, a crucial battle. The contest to be named best chef in the military. But make no mistake, these are soldiers first.

SGT. 1St. CLASS DAVID RUSS: UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Spend time in special forces in the battalion jewels.

STARR: Sergeant first class, David Russ of the Elite 82nd Airborne Division.

RUSS: I started with the cream of mushroom soup.

STARR: A four-time winner of this contest, he now teaches cooking to other soldiers. And knows jumping out of airplanes can give you an edge in a kitchen crises.

RUSS: You get your confidence, you know? Having been places that are worse than this.

STARR: The competitors say they don't cook just to win.

RUSS: Everything you do here is to the benefit of the soldiers.

STARR: Barbara Starr, CNN.

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BAKHTIAR: Everything looks so good there. All right, that's it for us. We'll be back with the headlines though after a quick break.

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