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Michael Schiavo's Life After Terri; Quake Aftermath; Lord of the Bison
Aired March 29, 2005 - 05:30 ET
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KELLY WALLACE, CNN ANCHOR: Good morning, and welcome to the second half-hour of DAYBREAK. From the Time Warner Center in New York, I'm Kelly Wallace, along with Chad Myers. I'm in today for Carol Costello.
"Now in the News."
Terri Schiavo is closer to death. Her father says she is weak and emaciated but still communicating, but her husband's lawyer says Schiavo is calm and peaceful. Michael Schiavo is requesting an autopsy when his wife dies to show the full extent of her brain damage.
We have new pictures just in to CNN regarding yesterday's powerful earthquake in Indonesia. The estimated death toll stands at just over 300. The 8.7 magnitude quake sent people throughout the region running for cover as they feared another tsunami.
Nearly 60 former American diplomats are urging the Senate to reject President Bush's pick to be the next U.N. ambassador. The diplomats send a letter to a Senate committee saying John Bolton is the wrong man for the job.
The U.S. Supreme Court will hear arguments today in a case that tests the limits of the digital age. It will consider whether Internet file sharing services are responsible when their customers illegally copy and swap songs and movies.
To the Weather Center now in Atlanta and, Chad, we hear it is sunny and in the high 70s there. When are you bringing that sunshine to New York City?
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Back to you.
WALLACE: All right, bring it on, bring it on -- Chad.
MYERS: All right.
WALLACE: Talk to you in a few.
MYERS: OK.
WALLACE: Thanks so much.
MYERS: You bet.
WALLACE: And back again to our top story, the Terri Schiavo case. As Terri Schiavo draws closer to death, the legal battles have cooled. Now there's word Schiavo's husband is making arrangements for an autopsy when she dies.
Live now to CNN's Sean Callebs in Pinellas Park, Florida.
Good morning, again, Sean, and what can you tell us about Michael Schiavo's plans to have this autopsy for his wife? Why does he want to do that?
SEAN CALLEBS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, Kelly, you know today marks the 11th day that Terri Schiavo has been without her feeding tube now. And doctors estimated she could live somewhere between 7 and 14 days.
Now Michael Schiavo's attorney, George Felos, came out yesterday afternoon, speaking with the media, saying that Michael Schiavo would have an autopsy performed on Terri Schiavo once she passes away. This is really at the heart of the dispute between Michael Schiavo and Terri Schiavo's family, the Schindlers.
Michael Schiavo and the courts say that she is in a permanent vegetative state. However, the Schindlers believe, after spending a lot of time with her, that she is brain damaged, severely brain damaged. And they believe her situation could get better with therapy, and that is the reason they have been fighting to have the feeding tube reinstated -- Kelly.
WALLACE: Sean, describe also the security situation there. We know there have been arrests, a number of protesters. What are police doing as they prepare for what could be Terri Schiavo's ultimate death?
CALLEBS: To give you an idea, we talked to an officer late last night. He said that at last count he had 48 arrests that had been made, most of them people trying to bring water in to Terri Schiavo. Really, the number of police in front of the hospice and this area, that has not increased over the past 11 days. However, the police presence in certain areas, especially where the demonstrators are behind me, that has increased.
Today, day 11, tensions have certainly gotten higher between those protesters and authorities. At times the protesters have mocked the police, doing goose-step marching, things of that nature, calling them -- calling the authorities Nazis. So police here very aware that the tension is growing and they want to make sure it stays under control.
As you mentioned, if indeed the final outcome, Terri Schiavo passing away, they are concerned that perhaps some tempers could boil over, and they are trying their best to keep that under control -- Kelly. WALLACE: And as for legal battles, or even the fight in Washington. We know a representative from the family went to Washington yesterday, trying to meet with members of Congress. Getting any traction there at all?
CALLEBS: Well the Washington effort really did not pay off. The Reverend Patrick Mahoney, who is a Christian conservative activist, is also acting as a spokesman for the Schindler family, went up hoping to meet with House Speaker Dennis Hastert. That did not happen. What they are trying to do is get Congress to pursue the subpoena that they had some days back trying to get Terri Schiavo to actually come to Washington. They believed that way the feeding tube would be reinserted.
There are some other measures that are still kicking around in the courts. But, Kelly, we should point out these are measures that have already been turned down. The court siding with Michael Schiavo, saying that the feeding tube should be taken out because that would be Terri Schiavo's wish. That she apparently told Michael Schiavo that she would not want to live in the kind of state she is right now.
WALLACE: All right, Sean, covering a lot of ground for us. We'll check in with you again in the next hour of DAYBREAK.
Sean Callebs, reporting live from Pinellas Park, Florida, thanks so much.
Well Terri Schiavo's life isn't the only one getting a lot of attention these days, so is her husband, Michael's, life, the one away from his wife's hospice bed.
CNN's David Mattingly has those details.
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DAVID MATTINGLY, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Frequently referred to as his fiance, she has been Schiavo's closest companion for a decade, the mother of his children and part of Schiavo's life the public has never been allowed to see.
MICHAEL SCHIAVO, TERRI SCHIAVO'S HUSBAND: There's nothing wrong with someday maybe wanting to get remarried.
MATTINGLY (on camera): Are you involved? Are you in a relationship now?
SCHIAVO: Yes. Yes, proud of it. And that's what Terri would want, too.
MATTINGLY (voice-over): That was Michael Schiavo in October 2002, offering just the briefest of glimpses into his feelings for the woman he shares his life with, Jodi Centonze.
SCHIAVO: I've been with my fiance for nine years -- or eight? One of those two.
MATTINGLY (on camera): Better get that one right.
SCHIAVO: Yes, I have a child.
MATTINGLY: You have a child?
SCHIAVO: Yes. She's three weeks old.
MATTINGLY: Congratulations.
SCHIAVO: And I'm very proud of it.
MATTINGLY: Little girl?
SCHIAVO: Little girl.
MATTINGLY: Now with two small children, people close to the couple say that Centonze was very cautious in the beginning about her emotions toward Michael Schiavo. They were friends for years after meeting at a dentist office before the romance ever began.
People who know her describe her as very compassionate, someone who actually became involved in the care of Terri Schiavo, never suspecting that it would land her one day in the middle of such an intense national controversy.
MELODY LUDWIG, PROTESTER: He's been with Jodi Centonze for 10 years. That should disqualify him as looking out for Terri's best interests.
MATTINGLY (voice-over): Four weeks ago, Terri Schiavo's parents unsuccessfully petitioned the court to grant their daughter a divorce. The motion accused Michael Schiavo of engaging in open adultery. With emotions running high, Centonze has also become a target.
John Centonze is Jodi's brother.
JOHN CENTONZE, JODI CENTONZE'S BROTHER: I worry about my sister and her kids.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Why?
CENTONZE: People have stolen her phone records, called her. They called all of our relatives up north, all of her friends, threatening people, hate mail. I mean people are fanatics
MATTINGLY: Family members tell CNN Centonze lately spends much of her time with her children behind a security system at their well- kept ranch house in a nondescript middle class neighborhood in Clearwater, Florida. A police presence at the house is not unusual, according to neighbors. With one police car parked outside, we observed as many as four police patrols going by the house every 10 minutes.
PAT KAYLOR, MICHAEL SCHIAVO'S NEIGHBOR: It's become a very personal thing, an attack against the family here. And things that have been going on for at least the last six or seven years through the courts has been totally rejected and trying to find some loophole. Everybody is entitled to their rights and this family should be left alone and let them make their decisions.
MATTINGLY: But being left alone does not seem to be an option right now for anyone close to the controversy, not even those trying to lead a private life. It raises the question of when Centonze will ever be able to live a normal life with her family after the anything but normal death of Terri Schiavo.
David Mattingly, CNN, Clearwater Florida.
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WALLACE: And much more on the Terri Schiavo case throughout this morning on DAYBREAK.
Well this question for you, how did you sleep last night, good, bad, toss and turn? You aren't alone, millions of Americans are waking up on the wrong side of the bed. We'll tell you why later on DAYBREAK.
But first, here's a look at what else is making news this Tuesday morning.
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WALLACE: And welcome back.
Turning overseas now, eight officials are scrambling to deal with the aftermath of Monday's deadly earthquake. It struck off the western coast of Indonesia, hitting the island of Nias the hardest. The quake is also bringing back very dark memories of last December's tsunami disaster. But how do the two compare?
Joining us now is Simon Boxall, an oceanography professor at the University of Southhampton in Britain.
Thanks so much for being with us this morning. We appreciate it. The big question everyone is asking is how could you have another major earthquake in just about the same area, one causes this deadly tsunami back in December and this one, it doesn't appear to cause any tsunami?
SIMON BOXALL, UNIVERSITY OF SOUTHHAMPTON: Little earthquakes will create tsunamis. There's a bit of a miss -- since there's been an earthquake after the December event, then we must always see a tsunami. It depends on how much the seabed is moved and how big the actual earthquake is.
Now this earthquake was 8.7 on the Richter Scale. That puts it about a third the size of the December earthquake. So it's a much smaller and it also happened in a much shorter area, a much smaller area. And as a result of this, the amount of seabed movement, if it did create any wave at all, the wave itself would have been a fairly small wave. So I think we need to say that the December earthquake was an unusual one rather than this one. WALLACE: If my colleague Chad Myers is going to be joining us in this conversation as well. But I want to ask you, what can you tell us about the fact that we are having two major earthquakes in such a short period of time in this same area, the concern for future shocks and another major earthquake in this same area?
BOXALL: There are two schools of thought. One says that as pressure is built up in this area, this area hasn't seen many earthquakes for some time, and the pressure builds up on the plates. Now one school of thought says that if you had a large earthquake, that releases the pressure and we wouldn't expect anything to happen now for some time.
The other school of thought says that that initial earthquake put strain elsewhere on the plates and so we might expect to see maybe a few more earthquakes in this area over the next few months or maybe the next couple of years. It's very hard to predict. And I think most seismologists would have difficulty in coming down on one side of the fence or the other, has this released the pressure or has this actually created more stress elsewhere on the system?
MYERS: Professor Boxall.
BOXALL: Speaking.
MYERS: Yes, hi, Chad Myers up in the weather office. I have some numbers here. The earthquake that we had yesterday, it equaled to about 750,000 atom bombs.
BOXALL: Right.
MYERS: The one before in December, two million atom bombs.
BOXALL: Yes.
MYERS: Three times the power. But I've also noticed that the one that we had yesterday was very close to a little archipelago, maybe a little bit less depth in the water.
BOXALL: That's correct.
MYERS: So the land went up rather than land below water went up.
BOXALL: That's correct.
MYERS: When water goes up, then actually you move a bunch more water. If the land went up, there was nothing more to move than just the air above the land. Could that have possibly had something to do with it?
BOXALL: It's probable. Bear in mind that reports are still coming through. The earthquake we had in December was virtually totally underwater.
MYERS: Yes. BOXALL: There was very little earthquake damage, comparative earthquake damage, from that one. In this case, the damage has been substantial damage and loss of life because of the earthquake. The island of Nias has been quite badly hit.
Now there are reports coming through in one or two news services of waves, a reasonably large wave hitting the island to the northwest of Nias. Now the reports coming through ranging from 10 feet to 10 meters.
MYERS: Wow!
BOXALL: I just hope there may be problems on the translation between units there. But certainly a 10-foot wave from a land slip or submarine slip resulting from this earthquake is not unlikely. And that's more the norm for this sort of tsunami we might see and this very localized tsunami, which affects an area maybe a few hundred kilometers around the epicenter, but not much beyond that. And certainly Sumatra itself is shielded to an end from any penetrable wave.
MYERS: One more question here, we want to get semantics right. A lot of people are calling this an aftershock of the first one. Can an 8.7 really be an aftershock or is it...
BOXALL: No. No.
MYERS: ... its own earthquake?
BOXALL: No, this is a different earthquake. An aftershock will come due to settling down and just sort of things sorting themselves out straight after a major earthquake. This is not an aftershock. Aftershocks happen hours, maybe a couple of days after the initial earthquake.
MYERS: OK.
BOXALL: In this case, this is a new earthquake.
MYERS: Great -- Kelly.
WALLACE: All right, Professor Simon Boxall of the University of Southhampton, we appreciate you joining us and giving your insights this morning. Thanks so much.
There is still plenty more ahead here on DAYBREAK. Coming up, we'll look at where the buffalo roam. And believe me, it isn't where you might think.
Don't go away. We'll be right back.
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WALLACE: And welcome back.
We are getting some new pictures in to CNN regarding the damage from yesterday's major earthquake. These pictures coming from the island of Nias, which had the most death and damage. This earthquake striking off Indonesia's west coast. The quake was a magnitude 8.7 and struck 19 miles under the seabed. A lot of concern and questions about would there be another major tsunami like we saw back in December. So far no reports of any such tsunami.
And, Chad, looking here from these aerial pictures, you're seeing some scatter damage.
MYERS: Yes.
WALLACE: What are you seeing there?
MYERS: Well you can see that some of the better built homes are doing just fine. And some of the ones you can tell just because that they have collapsed and they don't look as good, they didn't look very good when they first started, those are the ones that actually went down the most. But they got a good shaking the first time. You have to remember that this island actually picked up somewhere around 8.2 to 8.3 magnitude shaking last time.
Now the problem is the earthquake was right under this island, or very close to being under this island this time. So those hard built buildings, they didn't do as well either because they had so much shaking. The p-waves (ph) had so much shaking going on that they were destroying the concrete, the non-reinforced type concrete, the rebar concrete that now we build our homes with or the flexible concrete that they build them out there in California. They have not made homes or buildings like this out here in Sumatra or Malaysia for a long time because they just haven't had this type of earthquake activity.
But now, obviously, codes will certainly be different. Codes will be up to the standards that we see here in America and also across all of North America, whereas you're not going to see buildings built like that anymore. Obviously you can rebuild some of the ones that are there. But the hard code buildings, some of the ones that didn't survive downtown took the hardest shaking, took the hardest pounding.
Because this time, as the professor was just telling us, the earthquake last time was under a lot of water, that when directly above the earthquake last time there was no land, it was water. The water was pushed up. This time the land was literally pushed up.
Why we got a tsunami last time, the water was pushed up and that pushed up water made a wave. Well if you push up land and there's no water above it, all you're doing is pushing up the air above the land and there's nothing -- that air doesn't move away like the tsunami wave did. You may feel it a little bit, but nothing like you'd feel like if a water wave moved away.
And you can see just the collapsing here. Off to the left there, right there, there was a whole patch, a whole city block that was completely flattened to the ground. And I think we're going to see more pictures like this as the day goes on. We're finally seeing daybreak out there and getting those pictures back across on the satellite.
And folks there, I think the numbers are going up, we're now in the hundreds. I don't know where we're going to go from here, but we're not going to get the drowning deaths like we had last time, but we're going to get people that are actually pancaked, under pancaked buildings is going to be part of the problem, I think, this time.
WALLACE: Absolutely, Chad, but it is interesting, as you point out, if you remember the first pictures we were seeing for some of the areas hardest hit back in December,...
MYERS: Yes.
WALLACE: ... like Banda Aceh, Indonesia,...
MYERS: Yes.
WALLACE: ... you just couldn't see anything, nothing was still standing.
MYERS: Correct.
WALLACE: So the fact that there are some houses still in place again talks to that degree of the difference in power from this earthquake versus the one in December and the damage.
MYERS: Well stand on a beach, Kelly. You stand on the beach and you get hit by a three-foot wave and it'll knock you over. You get hit by a 10-foot wave or...
WALLACE: Right.
MYERS: ... a 10-meter wave, it's not only going to knock you over, but it knocked everything out. It scoured those buildings right off the foundation, like an F-5 tornado. This is basically like what we would see, a damage like what we would see in California or anywhere in North America, or anywhere that we know, where an earthquake shook under the land and didn't shake under the water.
WALLACE: Right. And the numbers right now, at least 200 to 300 people reported dead.
MYERS: Is that where we are now?
WALLACE: Officials, though, as you say, expecting that number to rise. Around 500 people injured. Again...
MYERS: And we're getting more and more video in. So as we get it, we'll show it to you.
WALLACE: Exactly. The newest pictures coming in. Nias island off Indonesia.
Thanks, Chad, we'll be talking to you in a little bit.
Much more ahead on DAYBREAK. We'll be right back. Don't go away.
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WALLACE: And welcome back.
An eccentric British farmer has transported a piece of the American West. He raises bison in the heart of England. He's even named some of the female bison after U.S. first ladies. And, yes, Hillary and Monica are in the same pen.
More from CNN's senior international correspondent Walter Rodgers.
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WALTER RODGERS, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice- over): This may look like Kansas, Toto, there's the little house on the prairie. There's even a herd of American elk, whopety (ph). But then there's Lord Seaford of Wiltshire. And, Toto, he likes to pretend England is Kansas.
Lord Seaford raises buffalo, American bison.
COLIN SEAFORD, FARMER: My favorite is Ruth. She is a very gentle bison Ruth with the sort of hair hanging.
RODGERS: Seaford has had a love affair with the American West since he saw a Walt Disney nature movie.
SEAFORD: Having seen this film, "The Vanishing Prairie," that left a great impression. I was only about 8 years old and I just sat there gasping at it and thought that was lovely.
RODGERS: He has 80 buffalo in his herd. Other critters, too.
(on camera): You're replicating the American prairie. You've got your own prairie dog colony. Where's your rattlesnake?
SEAFORD: No, I'm not having one of those.
RODGERS (voice-over): But it's the bison, the symbol of the American West that holds Lord Seaford's heart.
SEAFORD: They're just beautiful. They're lovely things. Everything about them. I wish I had discovered them a long time ago.
RODGERS: Some of these animals descend from the herd Buffalo Bill brought to England for his wild west show in 1904. Lord Seaford names the cows after America's first ladies.
SEAFORD: This is an Eleanor. This is Eleanor II.
RODGERS (on camera): As in Eleanor Roosevelt.
SEAFORD: Yes. Yes. That's Barbara, I beg your pardon, walking away. RODGERS: Mrs. Bush.
SEAFORD: I don't have a Jackie.
RODGERS: Which is your favorite of the first lady buffaloes?
SEAFORD: Well, actually, Monica. Monica actually became very fat and rather bossy. This is Hillary. Hillary, actually, she was very naughty the other day.
RODGERS (voice-over): Lord Seaford does not see anything eccentric about all this and he has a point.
(on camera): As out of place as buffalo seem in the shadow of Stonehenge, they're actually not. Ten thousand years ago, when Britain was part of the Eurasian land mass, tens of millions of bison roamed Europe and Russia. So in a historical sense, buffalo are anything but exotics here.
SEAFORD: Well, actually buttercup (ph) doesn't like you.
RODGERS (voice-over): The true exotics may be the people.
SEAFORD: But I'm above buzzcup (ph), aren't I. I'm above you. Back off. Thank you.
RODGERS: Indeed it was another Englishman, Noel Coward, who once wrote that it is only mad dogs and Englishmen who go out in the midday sun.
Walter Rodgers, CNN, Wiltshire, England.
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KELLY WALLACE, CNN ANCHOR: Good morning, and welcome to the second half-hour of DAYBREAK. From the Time Warner Center in New York, I'm Kelly Wallace, along with Chad Myers. I'm in today for Carol Costello.
"Now in the News."
Terri Schiavo is closer to death. Her father says she is weak and emaciated but still communicating, but her husband's lawyer says Schiavo is calm and peaceful. Michael Schiavo is requesting an autopsy when his wife dies to show the full extent of her brain damage.
We have new pictures just in to CNN regarding yesterday's powerful earthquake in Indonesia. The estimated death toll stands at just over 300. The 8.7 magnitude quake sent people throughout the region running for cover as they feared another tsunami.
Nearly 60 former American diplomats are urging the Senate to reject President Bush's pick to be the next U.N. ambassador. The diplomats send a letter to a Senate committee saying John Bolton is the wrong man for the job.
The U.S. Supreme Court will hear arguments today in a case that tests the limits of the digital age. It will consider whether Internet file sharing services are responsible when their customers illegally copy and swap songs and movies.
To the Weather Center now in Atlanta and, Chad, we hear it is sunny and in the high 70s there. When are you bringing that sunshine to New York City?
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Back to you.
WALLACE: All right, bring it on, bring it on -- Chad.
MYERS: All right.
WALLACE: Talk to you in a few.
MYERS: OK.
WALLACE: Thanks so much.
MYERS: You bet.
WALLACE: And back again to our top story, the Terri Schiavo case. As Terri Schiavo draws closer to death, the legal battles have cooled. Now there's word Schiavo's husband is making arrangements for an autopsy when she dies.
Live now to CNN's Sean Callebs in Pinellas Park, Florida.
Good morning, again, Sean, and what can you tell us about Michael Schiavo's plans to have this autopsy for his wife? Why does he want to do that?
SEAN CALLEBS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, Kelly, you know today marks the 11th day that Terri Schiavo has been without her feeding tube now. And doctors estimated she could live somewhere between 7 and 14 days.
Now Michael Schiavo's attorney, George Felos, came out yesterday afternoon, speaking with the media, saying that Michael Schiavo would have an autopsy performed on Terri Schiavo once she passes away. This is really at the heart of the dispute between Michael Schiavo and Terri Schiavo's family, the Schindlers.
Michael Schiavo and the courts say that she is in a permanent vegetative state. However, the Schindlers believe, after spending a lot of time with her, that she is brain damaged, severely brain damaged. And they believe her situation could get better with therapy, and that is the reason they have been fighting to have the feeding tube reinstated -- Kelly.
WALLACE: Sean, describe also the security situation there. We know there have been arrests, a number of protesters. What are police doing as they prepare for what could be Terri Schiavo's ultimate death?
CALLEBS: To give you an idea, we talked to an officer late last night. He said that at last count he had 48 arrests that had been made, most of them people trying to bring water in to Terri Schiavo. Really, the number of police in front of the hospice and this area, that has not increased over the past 11 days. However, the police presence in certain areas, especially where the demonstrators are behind me, that has increased.
Today, day 11, tensions have certainly gotten higher between those protesters and authorities. At times the protesters have mocked the police, doing goose-step marching, things of that nature, calling them -- calling the authorities Nazis. So police here very aware that the tension is growing and they want to make sure it stays under control.
As you mentioned, if indeed the final outcome, Terri Schiavo passing away, they are concerned that perhaps some tempers could boil over, and they are trying their best to keep that under control -- Kelly. WALLACE: And as for legal battles, or even the fight in Washington. We know a representative from the family went to Washington yesterday, trying to meet with members of Congress. Getting any traction there at all?
CALLEBS: Well the Washington effort really did not pay off. The Reverend Patrick Mahoney, who is a Christian conservative activist, is also acting as a spokesman for the Schindler family, went up hoping to meet with House Speaker Dennis Hastert. That did not happen. What they are trying to do is get Congress to pursue the subpoena that they had some days back trying to get Terri Schiavo to actually come to Washington. They believed that way the feeding tube would be reinserted.
There are some other measures that are still kicking around in the courts. But, Kelly, we should point out these are measures that have already been turned down. The court siding with Michael Schiavo, saying that the feeding tube should be taken out because that would be Terri Schiavo's wish. That she apparently told Michael Schiavo that she would not want to live in the kind of state she is right now.
WALLACE: All right, Sean, covering a lot of ground for us. We'll check in with you again in the next hour of DAYBREAK.
Sean Callebs, reporting live from Pinellas Park, Florida, thanks so much.
Well Terri Schiavo's life isn't the only one getting a lot of attention these days, so is her husband, Michael's, life, the one away from his wife's hospice bed.
CNN's David Mattingly has those details.
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DAVID MATTINGLY, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Frequently referred to as his fiance, she has been Schiavo's closest companion for a decade, the mother of his children and part of Schiavo's life the public has never been allowed to see.
MICHAEL SCHIAVO, TERRI SCHIAVO'S HUSBAND: There's nothing wrong with someday maybe wanting to get remarried.
MATTINGLY (on camera): Are you involved? Are you in a relationship now?
SCHIAVO: Yes. Yes, proud of it. And that's what Terri would want, too.
MATTINGLY (voice-over): That was Michael Schiavo in October 2002, offering just the briefest of glimpses into his feelings for the woman he shares his life with, Jodi Centonze.
SCHIAVO: I've been with my fiance for nine years -- or eight? One of those two.
MATTINGLY (on camera): Better get that one right.
SCHIAVO: Yes, I have a child.
MATTINGLY: You have a child?
SCHIAVO: Yes. She's three weeks old.
MATTINGLY: Congratulations.
SCHIAVO: And I'm very proud of it.
MATTINGLY: Little girl?
SCHIAVO: Little girl.
MATTINGLY: Now with two small children, people close to the couple say that Centonze was very cautious in the beginning about her emotions toward Michael Schiavo. They were friends for years after meeting at a dentist office before the romance ever began.
People who know her describe her as very compassionate, someone who actually became involved in the care of Terri Schiavo, never suspecting that it would land her one day in the middle of such an intense national controversy.
MELODY LUDWIG, PROTESTER: He's been with Jodi Centonze for 10 years. That should disqualify him as looking out for Terri's best interests.
MATTINGLY (voice-over): Four weeks ago, Terri Schiavo's parents unsuccessfully petitioned the court to grant their daughter a divorce. The motion accused Michael Schiavo of engaging in open adultery. With emotions running high, Centonze has also become a target.
John Centonze is Jodi's brother.
JOHN CENTONZE, JODI CENTONZE'S BROTHER: I worry about my sister and her kids.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Why?
CENTONZE: People have stolen her phone records, called her. They called all of our relatives up north, all of her friends, threatening people, hate mail. I mean people are fanatics
MATTINGLY: Family members tell CNN Centonze lately spends much of her time with her children behind a security system at their well- kept ranch house in a nondescript middle class neighborhood in Clearwater, Florida. A police presence at the house is not unusual, according to neighbors. With one police car parked outside, we observed as many as four police patrols going by the house every 10 minutes.
PAT KAYLOR, MICHAEL SCHIAVO'S NEIGHBOR: It's become a very personal thing, an attack against the family here. And things that have been going on for at least the last six or seven years through the courts has been totally rejected and trying to find some loophole. Everybody is entitled to their rights and this family should be left alone and let them make their decisions.
MATTINGLY: But being left alone does not seem to be an option right now for anyone close to the controversy, not even those trying to lead a private life. It raises the question of when Centonze will ever be able to live a normal life with her family after the anything but normal death of Terri Schiavo.
David Mattingly, CNN, Clearwater Florida.
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WALLACE: And much more on the Terri Schiavo case throughout this morning on DAYBREAK.
Well this question for you, how did you sleep last night, good, bad, toss and turn? You aren't alone, millions of Americans are waking up on the wrong side of the bed. We'll tell you why later on DAYBREAK.
But first, here's a look at what else is making news this Tuesday morning.
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WALLACE: And welcome back.
Turning overseas now, eight officials are scrambling to deal with the aftermath of Monday's deadly earthquake. It struck off the western coast of Indonesia, hitting the island of Nias the hardest. The quake is also bringing back very dark memories of last December's tsunami disaster. But how do the two compare?
Joining us now is Simon Boxall, an oceanography professor at the University of Southhampton in Britain.
Thanks so much for being with us this morning. We appreciate it. The big question everyone is asking is how could you have another major earthquake in just about the same area, one causes this deadly tsunami back in December and this one, it doesn't appear to cause any tsunami?
SIMON BOXALL, UNIVERSITY OF SOUTHHAMPTON: Little earthquakes will create tsunamis. There's a bit of a miss -- since there's been an earthquake after the December event, then we must always see a tsunami. It depends on how much the seabed is moved and how big the actual earthquake is.
Now this earthquake was 8.7 on the Richter Scale. That puts it about a third the size of the December earthquake. So it's a much smaller and it also happened in a much shorter area, a much smaller area. And as a result of this, the amount of seabed movement, if it did create any wave at all, the wave itself would have been a fairly small wave. So I think we need to say that the December earthquake was an unusual one rather than this one. WALLACE: If my colleague Chad Myers is going to be joining us in this conversation as well. But I want to ask you, what can you tell us about the fact that we are having two major earthquakes in such a short period of time in this same area, the concern for future shocks and another major earthquake in this same area?
BOXALL: There are two schools of thought. One says that as pressure is built up in this area, this area hasn't seen many earthquakes for some time, and the pressure builds up on the plates. Now one school of thought says that if you had a large earthquake, that releases the pressure and we wouldn't expect anything to happen now for some time.
The other school of thought says that that initial earthquake put strain elsewhere on the plates and so we might expect to see maybe a few more earthquakes in this area over the next few months or maybe the next couple of years. It's very hard to predict. And I think most seismologists would have difficulty in coming down on one side of the fence or the other, has this released the pressure or has this actually created more stress elsewhere on the system?
MYERS: Professor Boxall.
BOXALL: Speaking.
MYERS: Yes, hi, Chad Myers up in the weather office. I have some numbers here. The earthquake that we had yesterday, it equaled to about 750,000 atom bombs.
BOXALL: Right.
MYERS: The one before in December, two million atom bombs.
BOXALL: Yes.
MYERS: Three times the power. But I've also noticed that the one that we had yesterday was very close to a little archipelago, maybe a little bit less depth in the water.
BOXALL: That's correct.
MYERS: So the land went up rather than land below water went up.
BOXALL: That's correct.
MYERS: When water goes up, then actually you move a bunch more water. If the land went up, there was nothing more to move than just the air above the land. Could that have possibly had something to do with it?
BOXALL: It's probable. Bear in mind that reports are still coming through. The earthquake we had in December was virtually totally underwater.
MYERS: Yes. BOXALL: There was very little earthquake damage, comparative earthquake damage, from that one. In this case, the damage has been substantial damage and loss of life because of the earthquake. The island of Nias has been quite badly hit.
Now there are reports coming through in one or two news services of waves, a reasonably large wave hitting the island to the northwest of Nias. Now the reports coming through ranging from 10 feet to 10 meters.
MYERS: Wow!
BOXALL: I just hope there may be problems on the translation between units there. But certainly a 10-foot wave from a land slip or submarine slip resulting from this earthquake is not unlikely. And that's more the norm for this sort of tsunami we might see and this very localized tsunami, which affects an area maybe a few hundred kilometers around the epicenter, but not much beyond that. And certainly Sumatra itself is shielded to an end from any penetrable wave.
MYERS: One more question here, we want to get semantics right. A lot of people are calling this an aftershock of the first one. Can an 8.7 really be an aftershock or is it...
BOXALL: No. No.
MYERS: ... its own earthquake?
BOXALL: No, this is a different earthquake. An aftershock will come due to settling down and just sort of things sorting themselves out straight after a major earthquake. This is not an aftershock. Aftershocks happen hours, maybe a couple of days after the initial earthquake.
MYERS: OK.
BOXALL: In this case, this is a new earthquake.
MYERS: Great -- Kelly.
WALLACE: All right, Professor Simon Boxall of the University of Southhampton, we appreciate you joining us and giving your insights this morning. Thanks so much.
There is still plenty more ahead here on DAYBREAK. Coming up, we'll look at where the buffalo roam. And believe me, it isn't where you might think.
Don't go away. We'll be right back.
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WALLACE: And welcome back.
We are getting some new pictures in to CNN regarding the damage from yesterday's major earthquake. These pictures coming from the island of Nias, which had the most death and damage. This earthquake striking off Indonesia's west coast. The quake was a magnitude 8.7 and struck 19 miles under the seabed. A lot of concern and questions about would there be another major tsunami like we saw back in December. So far no reports of any such tsunami.
And, Chad, looking here from these aerial pictures, you're seeing some scatter damage.
MYERS: Yes.
WALLACE: What are you seeing there?
MYERS: Well you can see that some of the better built homes are doing just fine. And some of the ones you can tell just because that they have collapsed and they don't look as good, they didn't look very good when they first started, those are the ones that actually went down the most. But they got a good shaking the first time. You have to remember that this island actually picked up somewhere around 8.2 to 8.3 magnitude shaking last time.
Now the problem is the earthquake was right under this island, or very close to being under this island this time. So those hard built buildings, they didn't do as well either because they had so much shaking. The p-waves (ph) had so much shaking going on that they were destroying the concrete, the non-reinforced type concrete, the rebar concrete that now we build our homes with or the flexible concrete that they build them out there in California. They have not made homes or buildings like this out here in Sumatra or Malaysia for a long time because they just haven't had this type of earthquake activity.
But now, obviously, codes will certainly be different. Codes will be up to the standards that we see here in America and also across all of North America, whereas you're not going to see buildings built like that anymore. Obviously you can rebuild some of the ones that are there. But the hard code buildings, some of the ones that didn't survive downtown took the hardest shaking, took the hardest pounding.
Because this time, as the professor was just telling us, the earthquake last time was under a lot of water, that when directly above the earthquake last time there was no land, it was water. The water was pushed up. This time the land was literally pushed up.
Why we got a tsunami last time, the water was pushed up and that pushed up water made a wave. Well if you push up land and there's no water above it, all you're doing is pushing up the air above the land and there's nothing -- that air doesn't move away like the tsunami wave did. You may feel it a little bit, but nothing like you'd feel like if a water wave moved away.
And you can see just the collapsing here. Off to the left there, right there, there was a whole patch, a whole city block that was completely flattened to the ground. And I think we're going to see more pictures like this as the day goes on. We're finally seeing daybreak out there and getting those pictures back across on the satellite.
And folks there, I think the numbers are going up, we're now in the hundreds. I don't know where we're going to go from here, but we're not going to get the drowning deaths like we had last time, but we're going to get people that are actually pancaked, under pancaked buildings is going to be part of the problem, I think, this time.
WALLACE: Absolutely, Chad, but it is interesting, as you point out, if you remember the first pictures we were seeing for some of the areas hardest hit back in December,...
MYERS: Yes.
WALLACE: ... like Banda Aceh, Indonesia,...
MYERS: Yes.
WALLACE: ... you just couldn't see anything, nothing was still standing.
MYERS: Correct.
WALLACE: So the fact that there are some houses still in place again talks to that degree of the difference in power from this earthquake versus the one in December and the damage.
MYERS: Well stand on a beach, Kelly. You stand on the beach and you get hit by a three-foot wave and it'll knock you over. You get hit by a 10-foot wave or...
WALLACE: Right.
MYERS: ... a 10-meter wave, it's not only going to knock you over, but it knocked everything out. It scoured those buildings right off the foundation, like an F-5 tornado. This is basically like what we would see, a damage like what we would see in California or anywhere in North America, or anywhere that we know, where an earthquake shook under the land and didn't shake under the water.
WALLACE: Right. And the numbers right now, at least 200 to 300 people reported dead.
MYERS: Is that where we are now?
WALLACE: Officials, though, as you say, expecting that number to rise. Around 500 people injured. Again...
MYERS: And we're getting more and more video in. So as we get it, we'll show it to you.
WALLACE: Exactly. The newest pictures coming in. Nias island off Indonesia.
Thanks, Chad, we'll be talking to you in a little bit.
Much more ahead on DAYBREAK. We'll be right back. Don't go away.
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WALLACE: And welcome back.
An eccentric British farmer has transported a piece of the American West. He raises bison in the heart of England. He's even named some of the female bison after U.S. first ladies. And, yes, Hillary and Monica are in the same pen.
More from CNN's senior international correspondent Walter Rodgers.
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WALTER RODGERS, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice- over): This may look like Kansas, Toto, there's the little house on the prairie. There's even a herd of American elk, whopety (ph). But then there's Lord Seaford of Wiltshire. And, Toto, he likes to pretend England is Kansas.
Lord Seaford raises buffalo, American bison.
COLIN SEAFORD, FARMER: My favorite is Ruth. She is a very gentle bison Ruth with the sort of hair hanging.
RODGERS: Seaford has had a love affair with the American West since he saw a Walt Disney nature movie.
SEAFORD: Having seen this film, "The Vanishing Prairie," that left a great impression. I was only about 8 years old and I just sat there gasping at it and thought that was lovely.
RODGERS: He has 80 buffalo in his herd. Other critters, too.
(on camera): You're replicating the American prairie. You've got your own prairie dog colony. Where's your rattlesnake?
SEAFORD: No, I'm not having one of those.
RODGERS (voice-over): But it's the bison, the symbol of the American West that holds Lord Seaford's heart.
SEAFORD: They're just beautiful. They're lovely things. Everything about them. I wish I had discovered them a long time ago.
RODGERS: Some of these animals descend from the herd Buffalo Bill brought to England for his wild west show in 1904. Lord Seaford names the cows after America's first ladies.
SEAFORD: This is an Eleanor. This is Eleanor II.
RODGERS (on camera): As in Eleanor Roosevelt.
SEAFORD: Yes. Yes. That's Barbara, I beg your pardon, walking away. RODGERS: Mrs. Bush.
SEAFORD: I don't have a Jackie.
RODGERS: Which is your favorite of the first lady buffaloes?
SEAFORD: Well, actually, Monica. Monica actually became very fat and rather bossy. This is Hillary. Hillary, actually, she was very naughty the other day.
RODGERS (voice-over): Lord Seaford does not see anything eccentric about all this and he has a point.
(on camera): As out of place as buffalo seem in the shadow of Stonehenge, they're actually not. Ten thousand years ago, when Britain was part of the Eurasian land mass, tens of millions of bison roamed Europe and Russia. So in a historical sense, buffalo are anything but exotics here.
SEAFORD: Well, actually buttercup (ph) doesn't like you.
RODGERS (voice-over): The true exotics may be the people.
SEAFORD: But I'm above buzzcup (ph), aren't I. I'm above you. Back off. Thank you.
RODGERS: Indeed it was another Englishman, Noel Coward, who once wrote that it is only mad dogs and Englishmen who go out in the midday sun.
Walter Rodgers, CNN, Wiltshire, England.
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