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Pope John Paul II; Chilling Testimony; Postponed Prince

Aired April 05, 2005 - 05:30   ET

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CAROL COSTELLO, CNN ANCHOR: Second half-hour of DAYBREAK. From the Time Warner Center in New York, I'm Carol Costello, along with Chad Myers.
"Now in the News."

Witnessing history, tens of thousands of people are in line to get a glimpse of Pope John Paul as his body lies in state. Police say at one point the line was two miles long. The pope's funeral will be Friday.

The acting Archbishop of Sydney, Australia now celebrating a mass for Pope John Paul at St. Mary's Cathedral. This is a live picture you're looking at. Religious and community leaders, as well as Catholics, from all over Sydney are attending.

Searching suspects' homes without telling them until later, that's just one controversial provision of the Patriot Act that's due to expire this year. Attorney General Alberto Gonzales goes before a Senate committee today to urge lawmakers to renew it and other expiring provisions.

Tar Heel fans going crazy in North Carolina. North Carolina beat Illinois 75-70 in the NCAA Championship game last night. Take a look at that celebration.

CHAD MYERS, CNN METEOROLOGIST: Did they get arrested, I mean, or was it peaceful, I hope?

COSTELLO: Well, it was fairly peaceful, but there were some arrests. And as you can see -- you know I don't know where this tradition began, but it's stupid. You celebrate winning by setting fires.

MYERS: Right.

COSTELLO: That makes no sense to me.

MYERS: You know back in Michigan, at Michigan State when they would do that, they'd take the couches out in the street and burn the couches. I don't know where that came from either, so.

COSTELLO: That's just stupid.

MYERS: But, hey, you know what, the ladies play tonight, NCAA women, Baylor and Michigan State.

COSTELLO: And I wish they would get the attention of the men, but they don't.

MYERS: Well we just gave them some. There you go.

COSTELLO: Thank you -- Chad.

MYERS: Go girls.

COSTELLO: You are an enlightened male. You are a man of the year 2005.

MYERS: Or '85, depending on what decade I'm stuck in at the time.

(WEATHER REPORT)

Carol, a couple of nice days in store for you.

COSTELLO: And I'm loving that. Thank you -- Chad.

MYERS: All right.

COSTELLO: The lines are long and so is the wait, but thousands won't give up until they've walked past the body of Pope John Paul II.

Live now to our Richard Quest. He's in Vatican City this morning.

Good morning, Richard. Before we talk about...

RICHARD QUEST, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Good morning to you -- Carol.

COSTELLO: Good morning. Before we talk about the pilgrims, shall we talk about the cardinals meeting today and what they're meeting about?

QUEST: The cardinals meeting, it's known as the General Congregation of the Cardinals. There's a variety of different groups of cardinals that meet at different times. But this, if you like, is the big body.

All the cardinals who have managed to make it so far to Rome, there's more than 60 of them here at the moment, many more on the way, they will be deciding a key issue which is when the conclave will get under way. Under the rules for papal procedures, that has to be at least the 15th day after the death, the 15th to the 20th day after death.

So, Carol, yesterday they had the job of deciding when the funeral should be. We now know that's on Friday at 10:00 a.m. The next really big task for them is when to start the succession process. And we hope, we don't know, Carol, with these things, because the other thing they took was the oath of secrecy. And that basically is when the cardinals have sworn a solemn oath not to discuss anything relating to the papal succession procedures.

COSTELLO: All right. Let's talk about the pilgrims now. We're seeing a live picture from St. Peter's Basilica and we see the pope there lying in state and literally hundreds of people passing by his body. Behind you, from your vantage point, can you see the line?

QUEST: Can we see the line, let me show you the line as we go in. What they have done during the course of the night, they changed the way. It was originally just going straight across St. Peter's Square. Now they have snaked the line around the square and they are funneling them in by the thousands.

But this is just, if you like, the end of it. People in this part have probably got several hundred feet to the basilica and then on in. But further away, up to two miles the line goes, Carol, as the pilgrims are waiting.

And what they, you know there is an atmosphere, quite an extraordinary atmosphere. It's one of celebration of the life of the pope. And as you walk amongst those pilgrims, and some are tourists, some are non-Catholics, they just want to be here for the moment. It is an international moment in history. But every now and again there'll be some chanting or they'll be some singing of hymns or you'll hear somebody saying the rosaries or sometimes they'll just break out in applause. It's one of those days that people will remember: I was there when.

COSTELLO: Absolutely. Richard Quest, thank you, live from Rome this morning. We'll get back to you.

Different ages, different nationalities, different walks of life but united in grief, as you heard Richard Quest say.

Our Anderson Cooper takes us into that swelling crowd of mourners at the Vatican.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

ANDERSON COOPER, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): They waited for hours to see their pontiff. They waited for hours for one final glimpse. In St. Peter's sun-kissed square there was no pushing, no shoving, just somber faces, the smiles of old friends. A giant bell rang out, the sound nearly lost amidst the songs and the psalms, the prayers for the pope.

(on camera): The crowds have been building for the last several hours. The square is now packed. It's very hard to move around. There are giant video monitors, which have been set up so that the crowd can see the pope's body lying in state.

No one is exactly sure where the pope's body will be brought. People are -- there are certain avenues which have been opened up in the crowd, but no one is exactly sure where his body is going to be taken. Everyone wants to get close enough to try to see the pope, but they know they won't be able to touch him, though many would no doubt like to. But they just want to see him, one glimpse of him in person.

(on camera): You wish you were taller? SISTER ELIZABETH MORRIS, AUSTRALIAN NUN: Yes, I do. I do. I'm only 5 foot and I can't see very much. I've been holding my camera up hoping that it will take something, and I'm straining to see the screen. But, yes, I wish I were taller.

COOPER (voice-over): Sister Elizabeth Morris, an Australian nun, stood on her tip toes, but the crowds were too big, the people too tall.

MORRIS: See that screen a little better, but it's too far away, though. Being here is...

COOPER: A young girl sat on the shoulders of her father, taking pictures for strangers who gave her their phones.

(on camera): In America we've become used to seeing makeshift memorials spring up in the wake of national tragedies. Well here in Italy the tradition is a little bit different, people leave cards and messages and flowers by lampposts. In St. Peter's Square there are half a dozen or so lampposts and all of them are filled with personal messages to the pope.

(voice-over): This one says gracie, thank you, we love you. Addio, Karol. Children left drawings, their portraits of the pontiff.

Five-year-old Mikhail (ph) simply scribbled his name.

"The pope is like flowers," he said. He makes me think of flowers.

(on camera): It's not just a sense of mourning here in St. Peter's Square, there is certainly that, there is sadness. But there's also joy, a celebration of the life of a remarkable man and an extraordinary pope.

(voice-over): When his body appeared there were tears and applause. Those unable to see watched the TVs very closely.

(on camera): This is certainly an event that is being broadcast around the world. But standing here in St. Peter's Square, you don't get the sense that this is a media event, there are not many cameras around. All the media are sequestered hundreds of yards over there on bleachers. Standing in the crowd there's an intimacy to it. It's extraordinarily moving.

CASEY SHAVER, PENNSYLVANIA RESIDENT: To be surrounded by it all and actually see it happening in front of you with your own eyes, it's just something you can't describe. It's really amazing.

LISA REALI, NEW YORK RESIDENT: You saw him on the screen, of course, as they carried him through around the church.

PETER REALI, NEW YORK RESIDENT: We waited three hours and we finally saw him on the screen.

COOPER: You waited three hours? P. REALI: Yes, it was exactly, and it was an unbelievable experience.

COOPER: Were you disappointed not to actually see him in person or?

P. REALI: You know it would have been better, but you know we have him in here, in our hearts.

COOPER (voice-over): Even those who didn't get close to the body came away feeling they had seen the pope. One man told us John Paul is dead, but we still keep him alive in our hearts.

Anderson Cooper, CNN, Vatican City.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

COSTELLO: You are watching DAYBREAK for a Tuesday.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

COSTELLO: Your news, money, weather and sports. It's 5:44 Eastern. Here's what's all new this morning.

Pope John Paul II's body is lying in state 22 hours a day until his funeral on Friday. An estimated two million people are expected to walk past the pontiff's body in St. Peter's Basilica.

Just how quickly could people in the World Trade Center Towers have gotten out? A federal court out today is expected to outline false assumptions about that. It's also touching on the difficulties of rescue crews to reach the top floors.

In money news, no surprise, just pain. The government says the average price of regular gas is now -- are you ready -- $2.21 per gallon. Wow! Fifty-eight percent of respondents in a CNN-"USA Today"-Gallup Poll say the price is creating financial hardships for them.

In culture, the CBS military drama "JAG" is signing off at the end of this month. Star David James Elliott had already announced plans to leave the show after it ends its 10th season on April 29.

In sports, Jack Nicklaus will play in the Masters after all. The six-time Green Jacket winner had said the chances were between slim and none that he'd play. But now Nicklaus says he feels ready to make his 45th Masters appearance.

MYERS: Wow!

COSTELLO: That's staying power.

MYERS: That sure is. And Phil Mickelson won the BellSouth Classic yesterday in grand style, four holes of extracurricular activity out there before they actually got through the tiebreaker.

(WEATHER REPORT)

Carol, back to you.

COSTELLO: All right, thank you, Chad.

Those are the latest headlines for you.

Tying the knot isn't easy for Charles and Camilla. Still ahead, a look at these ill-fated lovers, will they ever make it to the altar? That soap opera still to come on DAYBREAK.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

COSTELLO: Talk a little bit about the Michael Jackson case now. Michael Jackson's lawyer will try to do some damage control today. Yesterday, jurors heard chilling testimony from a man who says when he was a youngster Jackson fondled him.

More details now from CNN's Miguel Marquez.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

MIGUEL MARQUEZ, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): No answers from Michael Jackson after the most emotional testimony so far in his trial. A past accuser said that he, too, was molested by the pop star.

JIM HAMMER, LEGAL ANALYST: I thought he came across as one of the most powerful witnesses I've ever seen. To break down in tears as he recalled these incidents from 14 years ago I think gives a real poignancy to it and a real power to it.

MARQUEZ: The young man, now 24 years old, said that when he was 7, 8 and 10 Jackson fondled him. The witness cried and asked the judge if he could take a break as he described how playfulness with the pop star morphed into molestation.

HAMMER: As a matter of law, the jury simply has to believe beyond a reasonable doubt that Michael Jackson molested the current accuser. This witness can help them do that if they believe him.

MARQUEZ: This accuser, the son of a former Jackson maid, testified that on two occasions Jackson started off tickling him, then touched him inappropriately over his clothing. On a third occasion the man testified that Jackson lay closely behind him -- quote -- "spooning him and fondled his testicles."

HAMMER: If they believe this account, this prior alleged incident of child molestation, they can literally look at Michael Jackson, say there's a man likely to molest children. It's that powerful.

MARQUEZ: Under cross-examination, the 24-year-old testified that his family reached an out-of-court settlement with Jackson. CNN previously reported that the accuser's family received more than $2 million from the pop star. (on camera): During the accuser's testimony, Jackson took notes, sat upright and consulted with his lawyer often. Jurors listened intently, taking notes almost the entire time. This accuser will continue being cross-examined when court resumes.

Miguel Marquez, CNN, Santa Maria, California.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

COSTELLO: In other news "Across America" now, thousands of people in New Jersey could be forced to wait several more days before returning to their flooded homes. Damage from flooding in the central and southern parts of the state is expected to top $30 million. Others are waiting to hear if they'll be eligible for federal disaster funds.

About 100 people were evacuated from their homes in San Bernardino, California, after a freight train derailed nearby. Some of the train's cars contained potentially hazardous chemicals, like chlorine gas. No leaks were detected. No injuries have been reported. The cause of the accident is still under investigation.

Former Vice President Al Gore says he's launching his own cable TV channel. It's called Current and is expected to be aimed at younger viewers. It'll feature short videos and movies produced by viewers. When it launches August 1, it should be available in about 19 million homes.

Voters in Kansas decide today if same-sex marriage should be legal. They're voting on a constitutional amendment that defines marriage as between a man and a woman. The amendment also says that all other marriages are void. If passed, the measure would deny rights to people in civil unions and also domestic partnerships.

We'll see a lot of ceremonies from Vatican City over the next few days. In the next hour of DAYBREAK, we'll find out what all these papal rituals mean.

We'll be right back.

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COSTELLO: I have a probing question for you this morning. Put down your cereal and your coffee cups, have you gotten your commemorative Prince Charles wedding gifts yet? Well, if you have, there is a problem, they have the wrong date on them. Many of the items were made before Charles postponed his wedding to Camilla Parker Bowles by a day so he could attend the pope's funeral.

Now, and you knew this would happen, people are trying to cash in. Actually, if you have those, you're in luck.

Here's a sample of what's for sale now, and you know it's going to be going on eBay. You can wrap yourself up in this commemorative towel. This is a towel here. Also, what dining room would be complete without a set of wrongly dated mugs and plates? And clear some space on your mantel, commemorative medallions freshly minted and wrongly dated by Britain's Royal Mint.

The Royal wedding is not so Royal to -- the Royal wedding, I should say, is not so royal to a lot of people. Prince Charles had to wait a long time to marry the woman he loves.

And as CNN's Paula Hancocks reports, he also had to jump through a lot of hoops.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

PAULA HANCOCKS, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Another last minute change of plans for the Royal wedding. Prince Charles will represent the British Royal Family at the funeral of Pope John Paul II on Friday and marry Camilla Parker Bowles the following day.

ROBERT JOBSON, ROYAL COMMENTATOR: I think, in this respect, they have done the right thing. They bowed to an important funeral. And I think the Prince of Wales has put duty first and will be respected for doing so.

HANCOCKS: By pushing his big day back, Charles also insures the Archbishop of Canterbury and Prime Minister Tony Blair will still be at his wedding.

At a perfectly orchestrated engagement announcement on February the 10th, Charles' toughest task appeared to be to persuade the public to accept his new fiance. He was wrong.

First of all, the venue had to be moved from the majestic Windsor Castle to the local town hall after it emerged the castle didn't have a wedding license.

Then the British government had to try and silence constitutional experts who claim a member of the Royal Family is not legally allowed a civil wedding.

The prickly subject of what Camilla's title will be once married to the heir to the throne is still being debated, queen, Princess Consort, or Diana's old title, Princess of Wales.

And Charles' mother, better known as the Queen of England, is not attending the actual wedding ceremony, saying she respects the groom's wish for it to be a low-key affair.

Earlier Monday, Prince Charles cut short his skiing holiday in Switzerland so he could attend the commemoration service for Pope John Paul at Westminster Cathedral. British Prime Minister Tony Blair also attending the service. Blair postponed his call for a general election, widely expected on Monday, possibly until Tuesday, out of respect for the late pontiff.

Paula Hancocks, CNN, London.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

COSTELLO: So there you have it. It's time to check out our "Web Clicks" this morning, because, as you know, we're always interested in what you're clicking on to on CNN.com.

MYERS: That's right.

COSTELLO: First up -- Chad.

MYERS: OK.

COSTELLO: You don't want to be first up?

MYERS: Which one is it? The librarian. She lost her lawsuit against Harvard. She said that she was passed over for seven promotions. She's working in the library. And they said that she was too pretty and always dressed a little too scantily.

But you know what, this is not just some person that just applied for this job. Listen to this, Carol, she's 40 years old. She attended Cornell, Boston College, Simmons College, earned a bachelor's degree and two master's degrees, including one in library science, and she can't get a promotion.

COSTELLO: She can't get a promotion. Well apparently they say that they get many applications from throughout the land and there are many qualified candidates and she must have not been qualified enough, at least according to this court ruling.

MYERS: And the court agreed.

COSTELLO: The court agreed.

MYERS: Right.

COSTELLO: The next most clicked on story on CNN.com, MIT developing a $100 laptop for kids worldwide. This is a very cool idea.

MYERS: It truly is. They have sent a few of these, kind of these beta versions, out to Cambodian villages where children are just -- they can't get off them. They're so enamored with them. But a lot of times they say that it's the brightest light in the house because there is no electricity. They have to take them back to school to have them charged back up, so...

COSTELLO: Yes, but this is their window to the world and also their window to learning.

MYERS: Yes.

COSTELLO: And MIT not only wants to develop these $100 laptops, but they have to make them rugged as well so when the kids drop them and stuff they don't break right away, so good luck with that.

MYERS: And they have to be accessible to the Web and all that other stuff. So it's going to be a challenge for that make a hundred bucks.

COSTELLO: Smart people at MIT, I'm sure they're going to do it.

MYERS: All right.

COSTELLO: The next hour of DAYBREAK starts right now.

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Aired April 5, 2005 - 05:30   ET
THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.
CAROL COSTELLO, CNN ANCHOR: Second half-hour of DAYBREAK. From the Time Warner Center in New York, I'm Carol Costello, along with Chad Myers.
"Now in the News."

Witnessing history, tens of thousands of people are in line to get a glimpse of Pope John Paul as his body lies in state. Police say at one point the line was two miles long. The pope's funeral will be Friday.

The acting Archbishop of Sydney, Australia now celebrating a mass for Pope John Paul at St. Mary's Cathedral. This is a live picture you're looking at. Religious and community leaders, as well as Catholics, from all over Sydney are attending.

Searching suspects' homes without telling them until later, that's just one controversial provision of the Patriot Act that's due to expire this year. Attorney General Alberto Gonzales goes before a Senate committee today to urge lawmakers to renew it and other expiring provisions.

Tar Heel fans going crazy in North Carolina. North Carolina beat Illinois 75-70 in the NCAA Championship game last night. Take a look at that celebration.

CHAD MYERS, CNN METEOROLOGIST: Did they get arrested, I mean, or was it peaceful, I hope?

COSTELLO: Well, it was fairly peaceful, but there were some arrests. And as you can see -- you know I don't know where this tradition began, but it's stupid. You celebrate winning by setting fires.

MYERS: Right.

COSTELLO: That makes no sense to me.

MYERS: You know back in Michigan, at Michigan State when they would do that, they'd take the couches out in the street and burn the couches. I don't know where that came from either, so.

COSTELLO: That's just stupid.

MYERS: But, hey, you know what, the ladies play tonight, NCAA women, Baylor and Michigan State.

COSTELLO: And I wish they would get the attention of the men, but they don't.

MYERS: Well we just gave them some. There you go.

COSTELLO: Thank you -- Chad.

MYERS: Go girls.

COSTELLO: You are an enlightened male. You are a man of the year 2005.

MYERS: Or '85, depending on what decade I'm stuck in at the time.

(WEATHER REPORT)

Carol, a couple of nice days in store for you.

COSTELLO: And I'm loving that. Thank you -- Chad.

MYERS: All right.

COSTELLO: The lines are long and so is the wait, but thousands won't give up until they've walked past the body of Pope John Paul II.

Live now to our Richard Quest. He's in Vatican City this morning.

Good morning, Richard. Before we talk about...

RICHARD QUEST, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Good morning to you -- Carol.

COSTELLO: Good morning. Before we talk about the pilgrims, shall we talk about the cardinals meeting today and what they're meeting about?

QUEST: The cardinals meeting, it's known as the General Congregation of the Cardinals. There's a variety of different groups of cardinals that meet at different times. But this, if you like, is the big body.

All the cardinals who have managed to make it so far to Rome, there's more than 60 of them here at the moment, many more on the way, they will be deciding a key issue which is when the conclave will get under way. Under the rules for papal procedures, that has to be at least the 15th day after the death, the 15th to the 20th day after death.

So, Carol, yesterday they had the job of deciding when the funeral should be. We now know that's on Friday at 10:00 a.m. The next really big task for them is when to start the succession process. And we hope, we don't know, Carol, with these things, because the other thing they took was the oath of secrecy. And that basically is when the cardinals have sworn a solemn oath not to discuss anything relating to the papal succession procedures.

COSTELLO: All right. Let's talk about the pilgrims now. We're seeing a live picture from St. Peter's Basilica and we see the pope there lying in state and literally hundreds of people passing by his body. Behind you, from your vantage point, can you see the line?

QUEST: Can we see the line, let me show you the line as we go in. What they have done during the course of the night, they changed the way. It was originally just going straight across St. Peter's Square. Now they have snaked the line around the square and they are funneling them in by the thousands.

But this is just, if you like, the end of it. People in this part have probably got several hundred feet to the basilica and then on in. But further away, up to two miles the line goes, Carol, as the pilgrims are waiting.

And what they, you know there is an atmosphere, quite an extraordinary atmosphere. It's one of celebration of the life of the pope. And as you walk amongst those pilgrims, and some are tourists, some are non-Catholics, they just want to be here for the moment. It is an international moment in history. But every now and again there'll be some chanting or they'll be some singing of hymns or you'll hear somebody saying the rosaries or sometimes they'll just break out in applause. It's one of those days that people will remember: I was there when.

COSTELLO: Absolutely. Richard Quest, thank you, live from Rome this morning. We'll get back to you.

Different ages, different nationalities, different walks of life but united in grief, as you heard Richard Quest say.

Our Anderson Cooper takes us into that swelling crowd of mourners at the Vatican.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

ANDERSON COOPER, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): They waited for hours to see their pontiff. They waited for hours for one final glimpse. In St. Peter's sun-kissed square there was no pushing, no shoving, just somber faces, the smiles of old friends. A giant bell rang out, the sound nearly lost amidst the songs and the psalms, the prayers for the pope.

(on camera): The crowds have been building for the last several hours. The square is now packed. It's very hard to move around. There are giant video monitors, which have been set up so that the crowd can see the pope's body lying in state.

No one is exactly sure where the pope's body will be brought. People are -- there are certain avenues which have been opened up in the crowd, but no one is exactly sure where his body is going to be taken. Everyone wants to get close enough to try to see the pope, but they know they won't be able to touch him, though many would no doubt like to. But they just want to see him, one glimpse of him in person.

(on camera): You wish you were taller? SISTER ELIZABETH MORRIS, AUSTRALIAN NUN: Yes, I do. I do. I'm only 5 foot and I can't see very much. I've been holding my camera up hoping that it will take something, and I'm straining to see the screen. But, yes, I wish I were taller.

COOPER (voice-over): Sister Elizabeth Morris, an Australian nun, stood on her tip toes, but the crowds were too big, the people too tall.

MORRIS: See that screen a little better, but it's too far away, though. Being here is...

COOPER: A young girl sat on the shoulders of her father, taking pictures for strangers who gave her their phones.

(on camera): In America we've become used to seeing makeshift memorials spring up in the wake of national tragedies. Well here in Italy the tradition is a little bit different, people leave cards and messages and flowers by lampposts. In St. Peter's Square there are half a dozen or so lampposts and all of them are filled with personal messages to the pope.

(voice-over): This one says gracie, thank you, we love you. Addio, Karol. Children left drawings, their portraits of the pontiff.

Five-year-old Mikhail (ph) simply scribbled his name.

"The pope is like flowers," he said. He makes me think of flowers.

(on camera): It's not just a sense of mourning here in St. Peter's Square, there is certainly that, there is sadness. But there's also joy, a celebration of the life of a remarkable man and an extraordinary pope.

(voice-over): When his body appeared there were tears and applause. Those unable to see watched the TVs very closely.

(on camera): This is certainly an event that is being broadcast around the world. But standing here in St. Peter's Square, you don't get the sense that this is a media event, there are not many cameras around. All the media are sequestered hundreds of yards over there on bleachers. Standing in the crowd there's an intimacy to it. It's extraordinarily moving.

CASEY SHAVER, PENNSYLVANIA RESIDENT: To be surrounded by it all and actually see it happening in front of you with your own eyes, it's just something you can't describe. It's really amazing.

LISA REALI, NEW YORK RESIDENT: You saw him on the screen, of course, as they carried him through around the church.

PETER REALI, NEW YORK RESIDENT: We waited three hours and we finally saw him on the screen.

COOPER: You waited three hours? P. REALI: Yes, it was exactly, and it was an unbelievable experience.

COOPER: Were you disappointed not to actually see him in person or?

P. REALI: You know it would have been better, but you know we have him in here, in our hearts.

COOPER (voice-over): Even those who didn't get close to the body came away feeling they had seen the pope. One man told us John Paul is dead, but we still keep him alive in our hearts.

Anderson Cooper, CNN, Vatican City.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

COSTELLO: You are watching DAYBREAK for a Tuesday.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

COSTELLO: Your news, money, weather and sports. It's 5:44 Eastern. Here's what's all new this morning.

Pope John Paul II's body is lying in state 22 hours a day until his funeral on Friday. An estimated two million people are expected to walk past the pontiff's body in St. Peter's Basilica.

Just how quickly could people in the World Trade Center Towers have gotten out? A federal court out today is expected to outline false assumptions about that. It's also touching on the difficulties of rescue crews to reach the top floors.

In money news, no surprise, just pain. The government says the average price of regular gas is now -- are you ready -- $2.21 per gallon. Wow! Fifty-eight percent of respondents in a CNN-"USA Today"-Gallup Poll say the price is creating financial hardships for them.

In culture, the CBS military drama "JAG" is signing off at the end of this month. Star David James Elliott had already announced plans to leave the show after it ends its 10th season on April 29.

In sports, Jack Nicklaus will play in the Masters after all. The six-time Green Jacket winner had said the chances were between slim and none that he'd play. But now Nicklaus says he feels ready to make his 45th Masters appearance.

MYERS: Wow!

COSTELLO: That's staying power.

MYERS: That sure is. And Phil Mickelson won the BellSouth Classic yesterday in grand style, four holes of extracurricular activity out there before they actually got through the tiebreaker.

(WEATHER REPORT)

Carol, back to you.

COSTELLO: All right, thank you, Chad.

Those are the latest headlines for you.

Tying the knot isn't easy for Charles and Camilla. Still ahead, a look at these ill-fated lovers, will they ever make it to the altar? That soap opera still to come on DAYBREAK.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

COSTELLO: Talk a little bit about the Michael Jackson case now. Michael Jackson's lawyer will try to do some damage control today. Yesterday, jurors heard chilling testimony from a man who says when he was a youngster Jackson fondled him.

More details now from CNN's Miguel Marquez.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

MIGUEL MARQUEZ, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): No answers from Michael Jackson after the most emotional testimony so far in his trial. A past accuser said that he, too, was molested by the pop star.

JIM HAMMER, LEGAL ANALYST: I thought he came across as one of the most powerful witnesses I've ever seen. To break down in tears as he recalled these incidents from 14 years ago I think gives a real poignancy to it and a real power to it.

MARQUEZ: The young man, now 24 years old, said that when he was 7, 8 and 10 Jackson fondled him. The witness cried and asked the judge if he could take a break as he described how playfulness with the pop star morphed into molestation.

HAMMER: As a matter of law, the jury simply has to believe beyond a reasonable doubt that Michael Jackson molested the current accuser. This witness can help them do that if they believe him.

MARQUEZ: This accuser, the son of a former Jackson maid, testified that on two occasions Jackson started off tickling him, then touched him inappropriately over his clothing. On a third occasion the man testified that Jackson lay closely behind him -- quote -- "spooning him and fondled his testicles."

HAMMER: If they believe this account, this prior alleged incident of child molestation, they can literally look at Michael Jackson, say there's a man likely to molest children. It's that powerful.

MARQUEZ: Under cross-examination, the 24-year-old testified that his family reached an out-of-court settlement with Jackson. CNN previously reported that the accuser's family received more than $2 million from the pop star. (on camera): During the accuser's testimony, Jackson took notes, sat upright and consulted with his lawyer often. Jurors listened intently, taking notes almost the entire time. This accuser will continue being cross-examined when court resumes.

Miguel Marquez, CNN, Santa Maria, California.

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COSTELLO: In other news "Across America" now, thousands of people in New Jersey could be forced to wait several more days before returning to their flooded homes. Damage from flooding in the central and southern parts of the state is expected to top $30 million. Others are waiting to hear if they'll be eligible for federal disaster funds.

About 100 people were evacuated from their homes in San Bernardino, California, after a freight train derailed nearby. Some of the train's cars contained potentially hazardous chemicals, like chlorine gas. No leaks were detected. No injuries have been reported. The cause of the accident is still under investigation.

Former Vice President Al Gore says he's launching his own cable TV channel. It's called Current and is expected to be aimed at younger viewers. It'll feature short videos and movies produced by viewers. When it launches August 1, it should be available in about 19 million homes.

Voters in Kansas decide today if same-sex marriage should be legal. They're voting on a constitutional amendment that defines marriage as between a man and a woman. The amendment also says that all other marriages are void. If passed, the measure would deny rights to people in civil unions and also domestic partnerships.

We'll see a lot of ceremonies from Vatican City over the next few days. In the next hour of DAYBREAK, we'll find out what all these papal rituals mean.

We'll be right back.

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COSTELLO: I have a probing question for you this morning. Put down your cereal and your coffee cups, have you gotten your commemorative Prince Charles wedding gifts yet? Well, if you have, there is a problem, they have the wrong date on them. Many of the items were made before Charles postponed his wedding to Camilla Parker Bowles by a day so he could attend the pope's funeral.

Now, and you knew this would happen, people are trying to cash in. Actually, if you have those, you're in luck.

Here's a sample of what's for sale now, and you know it's going to be going on eBay. You can wrap yourself up in this commemorative towel. This is a towel here. Also, what dining room would be complete without a set of wrongly dated mugs and plates? And clear some space on your mantel, commemorative medallions freshly minted and wrongly dated by Britain's Royal Mint.

The Royal wedding is not so Royal to -- the Royal wedding, I should say, is not so royal to a lot of people. Prince Charles had to wait a long time to marry the woman he loves.

And as CNN's Paula Hancocks reports, he also had to jump through a lot of hoops.

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PAULA HANCOCKS, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Another last minute change of plans for the Royal wedding. Prince Charles will represent the British Royal Family at the funeral of Pope John Paul II on Friday and marry Camilla Parker Bowles the following day.

ROBERT JOBSON, ROYAL COMMENTATOR: I think, in this respect, they have done the right thing. They bowed to an important funeral. And I think the Prince of Wales has put duty first and will be respected for doing so.

HANCOCKS: By pushing his big day back, Charles also insures the Archbishop of Canterbury and Prime Minister Tony Blair will still be at his wedding.

At a perfectly orchestrated engagement announcement on February the 10th, Charles' toughest task appeared to be to persuade the public to accept his new fiance. He was wrong.

First of all, the venue had to be moved from the majestic Windsor Castle to the local town hall after it emerged the castle didn't have a wedding license.

Then the British government had to try and silence constitutional experts who claim a member of the Royal Family is not legally allowed a civil wedding.

The prickly subject of what Camilla's title will be once married to the heir to the throne is still being debated, queen, Princess Consort, or Diana's old title, Princess of Wales.

And Charles' mother, better known as the Queen of England, is not attending the actual wedding ceremony, saying she respects the groom's wish for it to be a low-key affair.

Earlier Monday, Prince Charles cut short his skiing holiday in Switzerland so he could attend the commemoration service for Pope John Paul at Westminster Cathedral. British Prime Minister Tony Blair also attending the service. Blair postponed his call for a general election, widely expected on Monday, possibly until Tuesday, out of respect for the late pontiff.

Paula Hancocks, CNN, London.

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COSTELLO: So there you have it. It's time to check out our "Web Clicks" this morning, because, as you know, we're always interested in what you're clicking on to on CNN.com.

MYERS: That's right.

COSTELLO: First up -- Chad.

MYERS: OK.

COSTELLO: You don't want to be first up?

MYERS: Which one is it? The librarian. She lost her lawsuit against Harvard. She said that she was passed over for seven promotions. She's working in the library. And they said that she was too pretty and always dressed a little too scantily.

But you know what, this is not just some person that just applied for this job. Listen to this, Carol, she's 40 years old. She attended Cornell, Boston College, Simmons College, earned a bachelor's degree and two master's degrees, including one in library science, and she can't get a promotion.

COSTELLO: She can't get a promotion. Well apparently they say that they get many applications from throughout the land and there are many qualified candidates and she must have not been qualified enough, at least according to this court ruling.

MYERS: And the court agreed.

COSTELLO: The court agreed.

MYERS: Right.

COSTELLO: The next most clicked on story on CNN.com, MIT developing a $100 laptop for kids worldwide. This is a very cool idea.

MYERS: It truly is. They have sent a few of these, kind of these beta versions, out to Cambodian villages where children are just -- they can't get off them. They're so enamored with them. But a lot of times they say that it's the brightest light in the house because there is no electricity. They have to take them back to school to have them charged back up, so...

COSTELLO: Yes, but this is their window to the world and also their window to learning.

MYERS: Yes.

COSTELLO: And MIT not only wants to develop these $100 laptops, but they have to make them rugged as well so when the kids drop them and stuff they don't break right away, so good luck with that.

MYERS: And they have to be accessible to the Web and all that other stuff. So it's going to be a challenge for that make a hundred bucks.

COSTELLO: Smart people at MIT, I'm sure they're going to do it.

MYERS: All right.

COSTELLO: The next hour of DAYBREAK starts right now.

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